This reminds me of 3 other death battle episodes: Wolverine vs Raiden: Most of us expected Wolverine to win due to his adamantium skeleton and absurd healing factor, not to mention he could fight for days without tiring while raiden needed to recharge after a certain amount of time, but the small but crucial factor that tipped the scale was if raiden’s high frequency blade could cut through adamantium Sasuke vs Hiei: Sasuke was faster and more versatile, plus he went through better training technically speaking, but hiei had resistances for just about everything sasuke could throw at him Cable vs Booster Gold: a HUGE majority of us believed cable had the fight in the bag as he had a clear advantage in training and versatility making him the superior fighter overall, but booster’s saving grace was that forcefield which could survive every single thing cable had. It’s all the same here. Archie sonic seemed like the clear victor, but Wally had exactly what he needed to come out on top.
How about Canary vs Sindel majority of people also thinks Sindel is gonna beat her but Black Canary pull it off Jotaro VS Kenshiro might good example as well because it seems Jotaro would be the winner because he can stop time and he has stand that cannot be seen and touch but Kenshiro is just too tough to be hurt plus his musa tensei (sorry if I spelled it wrong) that makes him intangible that also saves him from Jotaro's time stop Gray VS Esdeath is another good example as well because some of us taught Gray would win because he can eat ice which seems to be a huge advantage against Esdeath but It turns out it's not enough to overpowered her
Maybe also Kirby vs. Majin Buu? So many thought that Buu would take it due to being a nigh-unkillable planetary superpower, but Kirby's fortes are turning power against his enemies AND fighting planetary - as well as cosmic and dimensional - threats. (That said, it probably didn't matter what that Planet Burst pushed Kid Buu into at the end. After all, Kid Buu was almost obliterated from the edge of a Planet Burst's explosion - any closer to the center, he might have been done for.)
I immediately thought of Ben 10 VS Green Lantern. Underestimated DC character versus an extremely overpowered character who would win most fights due to their absurd power and abilities. Both even end with the DC character time travelling to a point where their opponent is more vulnerable and kill them on the spot.
On the topic of Raiden's sword vs Wolverine's skeleton, they missed one small factor that completely null and voids the claim. Arctic Vibranium completely melts any metal just from being nearby. Raiden's sword literally has a sheath that can contain the blade. Do you think that is equivalent in power?
@@CowardPlays The Sword can be turned off or on. Thats why Raiden was unable to get Jetstream Sam sword until it I.D. "Unlocked." Any H.F. Blade is still vibrating at intense speeds that they are breaking down molecules which is what Arctic Vibranium does passively.
@@MrBigguy60 I mean, he didn't. We don't know how long he ran for, but it is safe to say that he ran for a while. He took a risk, which is what he usually does, otherwise he could have done a Green Lantern.
"I totally underestimated Wally" Here's the thing, the Flash is, not even lying, the most utterly broken character in DC Comics. If he were to use even a fraction of his powers to their fullest potential, he would be unstoppable. And of all the Flashes, Wally is the MOST powerful. Look at 'Kingdom Come', a future DC Universe. Of all the characters featured in that comic that were still active, the Flash played no role in the story at all. He was a little too busy stopping literally ALL crime in his two cities to bother. And I mean ALL crime. He'd gotten to the point of near omnipresence, if you even started to commit a crime, before you even finished the act, you were already disarmed and in jail. The downside being, he couldn't STOP. Ever. He was permanently locked at that speed. And only his daughter, who was a speedster, could ever interact with him, and only for a couple seconds at a time when she reached a similar speed. So, if Wally ever USED his full power, he could literally beat Superman to death.
Even without using his full strenght of the speed force wally would murder superman without even trying especially if he's really bloodlusted. Flash is quite frankly the most powerful member in the justice league. He hits just as hard as superman with his speed. He can vibrate superman molecules and destroy him, dump him in the speed force (a fate far worse than death). He can do infinite mass punches on Superman and hit him 1 million times in a before supes can think. He can steal Superman speed and make him frozen as a statue. As for durability flash takes hits and trade punches from Professor Zoom (he hits harder than Superman, something wonder woman and J'onnz confirmed) Time travel and dimensional travel is trivial for flash as well. I haven't got into half of Flash numerous capabilities but suffice to say he's OP. There was a time where Flash was so OP that DC Comics writers wanted to nerf him but no matter how much they tried they failed at doing it and called it quits. Superman Prime (who immune to Magic) is also afraid of Flash. That should tell you how dangerous he is.
@@user-sg3fb2de2e And you forgot to mention that Superboy Prime was STRONGER than Earth 1 and Earth 2 Superman, and since he's from Earth Prime, kryptonite can't hurt him
@@TheKyrix82 Yeah your right! And whenever Flash showed up Superman Prime was literally scared as fuck to fight him. (Flash was literally clobbering him to a bleeding pulp). Flash in general is not to be messed with AT ALL!
Its nice to see someone who was rooting for sonic but also undersood why wally wins, everyone else is just salty and they say random stuff when death battle literally explains everything
Correction Duo Wally didn't go back in time he actually went forward in time. And yes i know Sonic fans have wined here and on Discorcd but this was still really dope
Many people are going to say death battle is biased towards sonic but they're aren't biased they do their research right. And this is coming from someone who is a sonic fan
When Wally destroys the emerald and punches Sonic. It made Sonic’s appearances changed from games, comics, and cartoons. Including the best Sonic Original Character Sanic.
I'm surprised, to be honest. Oh, not that Wally won, I would've been ok with either of them winning cause there is so much about them and so many arguments can be made for the other. I'm a huge fan of Sonic but this is alright. I've been well aware of how ridiculous Flashes can be in general, and Wally is the fastest of them all so it's clear he'd give Archie Sonic a hard time, regardless if you think he would win or not. As for the episode itself, easily my favorite episode of Season 7 so far. This was fantastic!! No, I'm surprised the like/dislike ratio isn't that bad. Currently at 4:04 PM on release day it is at 23k likes/3.1k dislikes. That's like an 88% approval rate. After Ben 10 VS Green Lantern and Mario VS Sonic 2018 I thought it would've been lower.
Yeah I do agree with this fight being Both a massive sonic and flash fan, but a lot people seem to think that Wally isn’t very compelling as a character when the opposite is true. I highly recommend reading some post crisis Wally west stories and watching jlu there a Great read
So Wally won this fight because he changed Sonic's fate?! Well I guess so, I mean a person can change his own fate. Fun fact: From what I have learned, Sonic is the author of the Archie Comics. It is a real shame that Sonic lost, he would have been the first Non-Marvel character to break DC Characters winning streak. And even tho I am a Sonic fan, I sadly don't know allot about Archie Sonic, so I am gonna accept that Flash won this fight.
@@flaremawile726 That wasn't salt, they just remade an old episode to satisfy some people that couldn't accept that Mario would loose. You must not have seen the original episode.
Try looking into the fight properly, and you'll see that the real trump cards lie elsewhere. For example, the researchers have stated in the DB wiki that if they hadn't found proof that the Speed Force was of a higher dimensionality than the Chaos Force, they would have given the fight to Sonic. (The Chaos Force is baseline 5D for Archie while The Bleed is the same for DC. However, the Speed Force is consistently portrayed to be above The Bleed in both character statements, writer statements, and official maps of the DC multiverse.) Other than that, the speed steal still working, Wally being able to vibrate into 4D space, and then the phasing through Chaos Control was the most important parts, at least according to official research blogs and statements
Now that Sonic lost twice then Shadow ever did if Shadow gonna return to DB do it with another Edgelord character. Which is Ryuko Matoi because THIS IS WHO AM I! There basically the same character with different Origins. Sonic may have lost to Mario & Wally but keep that 13 meters into the WEST!
True and the fact is that moving Wally did move forward in time so I guess archie sonic could follow wally? I'm not sure on that but there are slight chances
All these sonic character losses are hurting. Sonic vs Mario got revamped, shadow lost TWICE, knuckles got CLAPPED and they are probably going to redo tails vs Luigi.
Rewind Rumble isn't a good reference, also Barry and Wally can disrupt magic. Barry did it in *Justice League Dark (2011) Issues 20-22* and both Barry and Wally brought pain to *all of Magic* in *the Flash (2016) issue 49.* So Super Sonic and Ultra Sonic would have no protection against Barry or Wally. Also even Death Battle knew that the multiverse feat was an *amped,* no reason why AR couldn't figure that out. Plus Barry broke fate a few times himself, as well. -Barry survived the Crisis on Infinite Earths by escaping into the Speed Force instead of dying and outran the Black Racer for years, until Wally saved him. -He ran 2 seconds into the future to escape the hold of Black Lantern Rings. -He resisted the Anti-Life Equation. -He delivered attacks on and endured attacks from the Black Flash itself. -Escaped the hold of the physical embodiment of Death itself during Darkseid War, long enough for Jessica Cruz to save him. -He also fought against and survived attacks from Paradox himself when had the power of all of time itself, including the Crisis Energies he absorbed from each paradox; Paradox created. Yet Barry choose to hold back because he didn't want to kill Paradox, since Paradox used to be a person. Plus Paradox was essentially the Flash's version of Sonic's Solaris.
Awesome reaction. And this was a high-speed battle that broke all the rules of physics literally. And as for the next time yeah we all knew Red Hood vs. Winter Soldier was coming sooner or later and that it would be a live-action fight.
I’m gonna be honest I’m beginning too hate Dc Idc who won Also Red hood sadly will win next time i want Bucky to win but Knowing death battle DC will win
I don't think Red Hood will beat Winter Soldier TBH, this is a fight I have researched before (obviously not to the same extent as the research team) but it is honestly incredibly close. I think Winter Soldier just about edges it as he has the more destructive weaponry and has the edge on speed. Scaling Bucky to Captain America, Cap has lightspeed reaction whereas Red Hood has dodged lasers which while very close, is slightly slower. Strength I would probably give to Red Hood and he definitely has the advantage in hand to hand combat but the metal arm of Winter Soldier will still make it very difficult. It really is a battle of long range vs close range and I think Winter Soldier just edges it although Jason still has a chance in continuing the DC winning streak.
At this point I might consider avoiding DB episodes with DC characters in them since they win like 90 percent of the time. Takes away the fun and suspense out of who’s gonna win.
Duo Dreamer Vids ahh okay. But usually it doesn’t really hurt to make the video long to see the pre analysis, but I ain’t complaining you do you duo. Excellent video as always by the way! 😁👍
Well, i'm not sad... Both Wally and Sonic could win this one. Flash just got it first. Remember, Sonic could go back in time, too. BOTH-COULD-WIN!! (Also, first! Hehehe)
@@jewellslofton973 even though they probably did the same to Superman and Green Lantern, by mixing many versions of Wally West...but oh Well. At least they made it look like a close match here.
I swear DC will pay for what they've done to Thor Ben 10 and Sonic Winter Soldier I hope you win this one I'm putting all my faith into you also the researcher for death battle hates Archie Sonic so flash was pretty much set to win
They have one researcher for each side, I don't think the one who did for Wally or any other member of the DB crew has ever stated to hate any version of Sonic (perhaps the early movie version, but everyone does that).
You REALLY wanted Red Hood vs Winter Soldier huh? I Can see why... Also, this might sound crazy, but I think Winter Soldier will win the fight because I saw Red Hood's helmet on the floor in the trailer...
Plot twist; the winter soldier vs. Archie sonic battle is being saved for later. The next battle before winter soldier vs red hood is the super hero battle royale of the boys!
I'm glad Sonic is not as OP like Flash. Just shows me how poor the writing is in DC. Don't get me wrong. Archie's storytelling can be terrible as well, but like I want to be a fan of Archie Sonic, but when it has Universal breaking powers, it just kind of bore me. I never knew he had that kind of power, and that upsets me. Like, I enjoy stories where a hero goes over his limits, not like....guess what it's impossible to do this....so...i can change everything. Archie Sonic....phew...i didn't know how crazy OP he was too. So-idk.....Flash won. Simple as that. Like Superman wins all the time. They just have universal braking power that is better than everyone else's universal breaking power...
I mean, wally’s wife had a miscarriage, he was trapped in the speed force by dr Manhattan, nearly beaten to death by zoom, and had his entire family erased from existence and only just got them back as of recently
thing is wally is pretty much universally liked more than Barry. He was much less of a one dimensional characters and is pretty much better written and much more interesting in every single way than Barry. I will admit though dc is currently treating wally like absolute shit thanks to them bringing back Barry Allen and heroes in crisis. that storyline was so bad it was pretty much forgotten and retconned. this video explains why wally was great. ua-cam.com/video/Qa-Jb3sUb7w/v-deo.html
Let’s be honest this matchup is dead even and I can’t say who would really win. DB did downplay both characters and both can beat each other in some way. The real loser is DB bc the hate is gonna destroy them.
Jaden Glanton it doesn’t matter how much they capped them. They were still downplayed as Wally had Dr Manhattan powers and Archie Sonic has both a Dark form and the Zone of Silence that can easily alter the match to either favor. You’re just stupid on what downplay means.
Alibaba Dr. Manhattan powers would be in the same vein as sozens comet it’s not apart of his standard arsenal it would be like giving Batman the Mobius chair in Batman vs Spider-Man
Jaden Glanton well Wally has done well vs Dr.Manhattan so it’s a feat that they missed and more importantly Archie Sonic canonically beat Segata Sanshiro. That alone are feats that DB ignored and can allow a victory for them.
This isn’t that good a win for Wally. He basically had to lame it out. Also I’m a little confused by the explanation, seams like even they aren’t convinced by the outcome.
That’s what happens with fights as close as this. Archie Sonic actually almost won, but the researchers found out last second about the Speed Force being about the Bleed, a 5D space, similar to the chaos force, which caused Wally to win last minute.
@@trashandtreasure1541 That's stupid that. So you're telling me Sonic would've won if they didn't find that out? Wally could still vibrate his body and just stay untouchable until Ultra Sonic ran out
Sam Blackmore It caused Wally to win last minute because without it, you can argue that Sonic could just erase the Speed Force. The fact that the Speed Force > The Bleed = The Chaos Force means Sonic shouldn’t be able to erase it
But I Disagree With The Outcome Archie Sonic should've Won. Infact Death Battle Hates the Sonic Franchise and they made dc win because of the stupid money relationship instead of really research
Not a fan of DC or Sonic, but this was an awesome birthday gift. I got to see such an overrated and overhyped character die. Only way this could have been better is if good ol' Sailor Moon herself fought and won today
Mr. Mememan Someone's mad 💀💀 bro they literally said the entity of chaos stated the only thing that could kill sonic was sonic dying from old age, and they showed that Wally could travel forward in time to the point where death had no effect on him, all Wally had to do was take sonic into the future where he no longer exists
I hate to say it... but I can see the reasons as to why Death Battle had this outcome. I'm not agreeing with their logic, I'm just accepting that they don't take characters like Goku, Ben 10 and Archie Sonic seriously enough
It should be mentioned that they don't always do the best research (which is for the most part unintentional) and sometimes going into a fight (such as this one) they thought someone else would win when it was the other character
Skeleton Crew I can see it now, I’m going to get a ton of people saying I’m salty because i ‘fanboy’ all these characters. Which is kind of true, but are they really going to say that Archie Sonic doesn’t win against Wally, like Ben 10 vs Green Lantern, some of the information they shared at the end was actually false
@King Kong Your wrong look, death battle always makes dc win because they cheated everytime first ben vs green lantern and now Wally vs sonic that proves there such cheaters.
@@kombatkid1289 Prove I'll show you prove and I will when get UA-cam channel started but this time Barry Allen against sonic to prove that wiz and boomstick cheated
Sonic: *dies in spite literally being not legally allowed to*
Lobo: “First time?”
*Mephiles:* Remember me?😈
*Dark Enerjak:* How about me? Wanna be my Prelate Warrior again?😈
And Flash literally killed Death.
@@omegaotaku1342 And survived attacks from Death as well.
This reminds me of 3 other death battle episodes:
Wolverine vs Raiden: Most of us expected Wolverine to win due to his adamantium skeleton and absurd healing factor, not to mention he could fight for days without tiring while raiden needed to recharge after a certain amount of time, but the small but crucial factor that tipped the scale was if raiden’s high frequency blade could cut through adamantium
Sasuke vs Hiei: Sasuke was faster and more versatile, plus he went through better training technically speaking, but hiei had resistances for just about everything sasuke could throw at him
Cable vs Booster Gold: a HUGE majority of us believed cable had the fight in the bag as he had a clear advantage in training and versatility making him the superior fighter overall, but booster’s saving grace was that forcefield which could survive every single thing cable had.
It’s all the same here. Archie sonic seemed like the clear victor, but Wally had exactly what he needed to come out on top.
How about Canary vs Sindel majority of people also thinks Sindel is gonna beat her but Black Canary pull it off
Jotaro VS Kenshiro might good example as well because it seems Jotaro would be the winner because he can stop time and he has stand that cannot be seen and touch but Kenshiro is just too tough to be hurt plus his musa tensei (sorry if I spelled it wrong) that makes him intangible that also saves him from Jotaro's time stop
Gray VS Esdeath is another good example as well because some of us taught Gray would win because he can eat ice which seems to be a huge advantage against Esdeath but It turns out it's not enough to overpowered her
Maybe also Kirby vs. Majin Buu? So many thought that Buu would take it due to being a nigh-unkillable planetary superpower, but Kirby's fortes are turning power against his enemies AND fighting planetary - as well as cosmic and dimensional - threats.
(That said, it probably didn't matter what that Planet Burst pushed Kid Buu into at the end. After all, Kid Buu was almost obliterated from the edge of a Planet Burst's explosion - any closer to the center, he might have been done for.)
I immediately thought of Ben 10 VS Green Lantern. Underestimated DC character versus an extremely overpowered character who would win most fights due to their absurd power and abilities. Both even end with the DC character time travelling to a point where their opponent is more vulnerable and kill them on the spot.
On the topic of Raiden's sword vs Wolverine's skeleton, they missed one small factor that completely null and voids the claim. Arctic Vibranium completely melts any metal just from being nearby. Raiden's sword literally has a sheath that can contain the blade. Do you think that is equivalent in power?
@@CowardPlays The Sword can be turned off or on. Thats why Raiden was unable to get Jetstream Sam sword until it I.D. "Unlocked."
Any H.F. Blade is still vibrating at intense speeds that they are breaking down molecules which is what Arctic Vibranium does passively.
Wally actually went FORWARD in time, in where Ultra Sonic had reached his time limit.
makes sense
My thing is…how would Wally know sonic had a time limit?
@@MrBigguy60 I mean, he didn't. We don't know how long he ran for, but it is safe to say that he ran for a while. He took a risk, which is what he usually does, otherwise he could have done a Green Lantern.
But he did know Sonic had a time limit
He didn’t take a risk he was smart
This Fight is like they took:
Ben 10 vs Green lantern
Goku vs Superman
Chuck Norris vs Segta
Berrus vs Galaxia
To make this Fight THIS WAS NUTS!!!
Marlon Cardoso idc about chuck norris vs segta but I care about the ithers
Quicksilver is beginning to look slow
He is slow
Daniel Smith IV faster than your fatass though :)
The Sonic Fanbase is gonna be SO PISSED when they see this fight.
Let's just hope they dont get bullied by DC fanboys like what happened in Mario vs Sonic 2018...
@@flaremawile726 they will DC fans have been looking for a way to put them in their face.
@@davidogundipe808 damn it...Welp, the cicle repeats itserlf all over again I guess..
It's just ridiculous. Archie was literally supposed to win that fight. The Speed Force is completely useless against Sonic.
@@danielsmithiv1279 do you read flash comics?
He didn’t necessarily went back in time, he went forward in time to a point where Sonic’s super form wore off.
"I totally underestimated Wally" Here's the thing, the Flash is, not even lying, the most utterly broken character in DC Comics. If he were to use even a fraction of his powers to their fullest potential, he would be unstoppable. And of all the Flashes, Wally is the MOST powerful. Look at 'Kingdom Come', a future DC Universe. Of all the characters featured in that comic that were still active, the Flash played no role in the story at all. He was a little too busy stopping literally ALL crime in his two cities to bother. And I mean ALL crime. He'd gotten to the point of near omnipresence, if you even started to commit a crime, before you even finished the act, you were already disarmed and in jail. The downside being, he couldn't STOP. Ever. He was permanently locked at that speed. And only his daughter, who was a speedster, could ever interact with him, and only for a couple seconds at a time when she reached a similar speed.
So, if Wally ever USED his full power, he could literally beat Superman to death.
Even without using his full strenght of the speed force wally would murder superman without even trying especially if he's really bloodlusted. Flash is quite frankly the most powerful member in the justice league. He hits just as hard as superman with his speed. He can vibrate superman molecules and destroy him, dump him in the speed force (a fate far worse than death). He can do infinite mass punches on Superman and hit him 1 million times in a before supes can think. He can steal Superman speed and make him frozen as a statue. As for durability flash takes hits and trade punches from Professor Zoom (he hits harder than Superman, something wonder woman and J'onnz confirmed)
Time travel and dimensional travel is trivial for flash as well.
I haven't got into half of Flash numerous capabilities but suffice to say he's OP. There was a time where Flash was so OP that DC Comics writers wanted to nerf him but no matter how much they tried they failed at doing it and called it quits.
Superman Prime (who immune to Magic) is also afraid of Flash. That should tell you how dangerous he is.
@@user-sg3fb2de2e And you forgot to mention that Superboy Prime was STRONGER than Earth 1 and Earth 2 Superman, and since he's from Earth Prime, kryptonite can't hurt him
@@TheKyrix82 Yeah your right! And whenever Flash showed up Superman Prime was literally scared as fuck to fight him. (Flash was literally clobbering him to a bleeding pulp). Flash in general is not to be messed with AT ALL!
Its nice to see someone who was rooting for sonic but also undersood why wally wins, everyone else is just salty and they say random stuff when death battle literally explains everything
Correction Duo Wally didn't go back in time he actually went forward in time. And yes i know Sonic fans have wined here and on Discorcd but this was still really dope
The fight comes out a day after the Birthday lol
Many people are going to say death battle is biased towards sonic but they're aren't biased they do their research right. And this is coming from someone who is a sonic fan
Yeah
They do their research right? lmao
c richie21 no they don’t
The only fight I'd understand that argument for is Mario vs Sonic 2018
@@malimations their explanation is terrible I mean if they were to do a huge explanation it will take thirty minutes
When Wally destroys the emerald and punches Sonic. It made Sonic’s appearances changed from games, comics, and cartoons. Including the best Sonic Original Character Sanic.
DC is in the hot streak once again well would the Winter Soldier done what Ghost Rider has done in DB? 🤔🤔
This battle was over in a FLASH
I'm surprised, to be honest.
Oh, not that Wally won, I would've been ok with either of them winning cause there is so much about them and so many arguments can be made for the other. I'm a huge fan of Sonic but this is alright. I've been well aware of how ridiculous Flashes can be in general, and Wally is the fastest of them all so it's clear he'd give Archie Sonic a hard time, regardless if you think he would win or not. As for the episode itself, easily my favorite episode of Season 7 so far. This was fantastic!!
No, I'm surprised the like/dislike ratio isn't that bad. Currently at 4:04 PM on release day it is at 23k likes/3.1k dislikes. That's like an 88% approval rate. After Ben 10 VS Green Lantern and Mario VS Sonic 2018 I thought it would've been lower.
Yeah I do agree with this fight being Both a massive sonic and flash fan, but a lot people seem to think that Wally isn’t very compelling as a character when the opposite is true. I highly recommend reading some post crisis Wally west stories and watching jlu there a Great read
@@raykreiger4123 I mainly know Wally from Justice League Unlimited. Great show.
I mean Archie technically has been in db before and won so it's just a 50/50
@@Rubyshedinja33 True, Sonic was composited back in 2011 so that episode is actually correct.
So Wally won this fight because he changed Sonic's fate?! Well I guess so, I mean a person can change his own fate.
Fun fact: From what I have learned, Sonic is the author of the Archie Comics.
It is a real shame that Sonic lost, he would have been the first Non-Marvel character to break DC Characters winning streak. And even tho I am a Sonic fan, I sadly don't know allot about Archie Sonic, so I am gonna accept that Flash won this fight.
"A certain fanbase won't be happy about this"
Me: Let them burn
pepesip
Yeah
10:32 this is where his dreams will always come true will beacuse he's duo dreamer
Winter Soldier vs Red Hood is finally happening!!!! I'll be extremely looking forward to it
The salt is gonna get real 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Probably worse than Mario vs sonic 2018's salt...
@@flaremawile726 yeah
@@flaremawile726 yea im sorry were allergic to bullshit
@@flaremawile726 That wasn't salt, they just remade an old episode to satisfy some people that couldn't accept that Mario would loose. You must not have seen the original episode.
Still better than Mario vs sonic 2018
Try looking into the fight properly, and you'll see that the real trump cards lie elsewhere. For example, the researchers have stated in the DB wiki that if they hadn't found proof that the Speed Force was of a higher dimensionality than the Chaos Force, they would have given the fight to Sonic. (The Chaos Force is baseline 5D for Archie while The Bleed is the same for DC. However, the Speed Force is consistently portrayed to be above The Bleed in both character statements, writer statements, and official maps of the DC multiverse.) Other than that, the speed steal still working, Wally being able to vibrate into 4D space, and then the phasing through Chaos Control was the most important parts, at least according to official research blogs and statements
Did you notice how they used the sound effects from the Sonic games for Sonic's attacks and techniques? That was such a nice touch! 👍
I still stand by my characters. You fought well Archie Sonic. I’m not even salty cause this was a good fight.
If it wasn't Wallie Sonic would win but DC is op and I love dc
@@I_break_games yeah bro
Right
Keeppositive Gamer RIGHT?! Dc characters are so stupidly OP that it’s actually pretty funny.
@@bomberhood7234 yeah
*Speed Force. It just works.*
Technically this is going to be the 3rd live action fight. We have another one before that.
Wait what? Whaat is the other one, I only remember Dradevil vs Nightwing
We don't know if The Seven vs The Boys will be live action, though, do we?
I went with Flash :3
11:38 No... You didn't. My friend, The Rappter did cuz he made a video of Winter Soilder Vs Red Hood BEFORE you created Battle Mode.
Now that Sonic lost twice then Shadow ever did if Shadow gonna return to DB do it with another Edgelord character.
Which is Ryuko Matoi because THIS IS WHO AM I!
There basically the same character with different Origins.
Sonic may have lost to Mario & Wally but keep that 13 meters into the WEST!
Sonic might be fast, but Wally's Speed had a lot more Force put into it.
True and the fact is that moving Wally did move forward in time so I guess archie sonic could follow wally? I'm not sure on that but there are slight chances
Wanted sonic to win but this was still a good fight. Nice reaction
All these sonic character losses are hurting. Sonic vs Mario got revamped, shadow lost TWICE, knuckles got CLAPPED and they are probably going to redo tails vs Luigi.
If you can't accept the original analysis that was far more indepth than the remade video of Sonic vs Mario. Then, you fail to see reality.
Damn it!!!
Oh well good reaction bro :3
Imma go to my boy Winter Soldier...I mean Red Hood is also but still
Don't worry duo at least sonic won in rewind rumble
Rewind Rumble isn't a good reference, also Barry and Wally can disrupt magic. Barry did it in *Justice League Dark (2011) Issues 20-22* and both Barry and Wally brought pain to *all of Magic* in *the Flash (2016) issue 49.* So Super Sonic and Ultra Sonic would have no protection against Barry or Wally. Also even Death Battle knew that the multiverse feat was an *amped,* no reason why AR couldn't figure that out. Plus Barry broke fate a few times himself, as well.
-Barry survived the Crisis on Infinite Earths by escaping into the Speed Force instead of dying and outran the Black Racer for years, until Wally saved him.
-He ran 2 seconds into the future to escape the hold of Black Lantern Rings.
-He resisted the Anti-Life Equation.
-He delivered attacks on and endured attacks from the Black Flash itself.
-Escaped the hold of the physical embodiment of Death itself during Darkseid War, long enough for Jessica Cruz to save him.
-He also fought against and survived attacks from Paradox himself when had the power of all of time itself, including the Crisis Energies he absorbed from each paradox; Paradox created. Yet Barry choose to hold back because he didn't want to kill Paradox, since Paradox used to be a person. Plus Paradox was essentially the Flash's version of Sonic's Solaris.
@@porobotboyxxx ok we all have opinions but that's your opinion and I respect it
@@porobotboyxxx in my opinion I think it's draw
Anyways who do you think who wins winter soldier or red hood
@@Stillhandling2976 Thank you.
Awesome reaction. And this was a high-speed battle that broke all the rules of physics literally. And as for the next time yeah we all knew Red Hood vs. Winter Soldier was coming sooner or later and that it would be a live-action fight.
Btw, you should speak to the microphone directly. It's kind of hard to hear your voice even in max volume.
I’m gonna be honest I’m beginning too hate Dc Idc who won
Also Red hood sadly will win next time i want Bucky to win but Knowing death battle DC will win
Lmao no Its close but Winter soldier has one edge his ark
I don't think Red Hood will beat Winter Soldier TBH, this is a fight I have researched before (obviously not to the same extent as the research team) but it is honestly incredibly close. I think Winter Soldier just about edges it as he has the more destructive weaponry and has the edge on speed. Scaling Bucky to Captain America, Cap has lightspeed reaction whereas Red Hood has dodged lasers which while very close, is slightly slower. Strength I would probably give to Red Hood and he definitely has the advantage in hand to hand combat but the metal arm of Winter Soldier will still make it very difficult. It really is a battle of long range vs close range and I think Winter Soldier just edges it although Jason still has a chance in continuing the DC winning streak.
@@thebotbuilder yeah bro i personally think it's the closest death battle of all time
@@thebotbuilder I think it just comes down to buckys metal arm
At this point I might consider avoiding DB episodes with DC characters in them since they win like 90 percent of the time. Takes away the fun and suspense out of who’s gonna win.
Here comes the wrath the sonic fans
Let them come.😑
@@porobotboyxxx right
@@jewellslofton973 Indeed.
HELL YEAH! That's my boy! GO WALLY!
Great reaction dude you should do a prediction video with Saberking if you can
Read the new comic he now way faster than the that now
Thats not archie
@@onionthegeek5665 yeah
Sonic fanbase is not going to be happy about this
I'm crying man. Can't Sonic win?
Electric Soul yeah
Pretty much
I guess you can say this Battle was over in a FLASH 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😎
Quite curious. How come you don’t watch the analysis before the fight duo?
I do watch the pre analysis. I just don't record my reaction to it. Mainly because it would make the video way too long.
Duo Dreamer Vids ahh okay. But usually it doesn’t really hurt to make the video long to see the pre analysis, but I ain’t complaining you do you duo. Excellent video as always by the way! 😁👍
Well, i'm not sad...
Both Wally and Sonic could win this one.
Flash just got it first.
Remember, Sonic could go back in time, too.
BOTH-COULD-WIN!!
(Also, first! Hehehe)
Thats true, at least the post analisis, was handled way better than Mario vs sonic 2018.
@@flaremawile726 true
@@jewellslofton973 even though they probably did the same to Superman and Green Lantern, by mixing many versions of Wally West...but oh Well. At least they made it look like a close match here.
@@flaremawile726 yeah
yes the flash won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank for being a good-willed reactioest
YO I BET YOU WINTER SOLDER VS RED HOOD IS GONNA BE LIVE ACTION
They actually showed live action Winter Soldier in a teaser earlier, so yeah, it will be.
@@sayuriwillow1703 it has to be if not what was that clip then
Luis Balbuena also they showed the Ismahawk logo, the guys who did Nightwing Daredevil.
@@sayuriwillow1703 HOLY SHIT THIS GOMNA BE GOOD wait how they gonna do it because from covid they can't go OUTSIDE
Luis Balbuena they probably recorded it a while back. These things take a while to produce.
I swear DC will pay for what they've done to Thor Ben 10 and Sonic Winter Soldier I hope you win this one I'm putting all my faith into you also the researcher for death battle hates Archie Sonic so flash was pretty much set to win
They have one researcher for each side, I don't think the one who did for Wally or any other member of the DB crew has ever stated to hate any version of Sonic (perhaps the early movie version, but everyone does that).
I agree DC You will regret Forcing DEATH BATTLE To make other Characters lose to DC
Essential And The Cable they don’t force them
i dont get it what did wally do to kill him
oh so like he went back in time before sonic could use the emerald to power himself
@@songohan1238 I guess so...IDK, Im Just as confused as you are...
Son Gohan no he went forward on time where the ultra form ran out then he finished him off there
@@Mannyhdz0052 ¿ok...?
Flare Mawile flash went to the future where Sonics ultra form ran out pretty much ran forward in time to where Sonics form was gone
6 dc fights this season...smh
But I'm Looking Forward To Winter Solider Vs Red Hood
You REALLY wanted Red Hood vs Winter Soldier huh?
I Can see why...
Also, this might sound crazy, but I think Winter Soldier will win the fight because I saw Red Hood's helmet on the floor in the trailer...
Is this the next goku vs superman? I don't have to say, because the salty fanboys already have
he literally cannot die how did he die
I think gohan could beat superboy if death battle does that match or xeno goku vs superboy prime
Can you do jade from mortal kombat vs cammy from street fighter
Flash is op of course he wins he has the speed force
No he wins because he finished school.
Plot twist; the winter soldier vs. Archie sonic battle is being saved for later. The next battle before winter soldier vs red hood is the super hero battle royale of the boys!
I hope another Archie sonic battle will be coming soon I hope Archie knuckles will be in soon
Jamari The Hedgehog hope so too & NOT against another dc character
Archie knuckles vs a another comic book character that’s not dc
Jamari The Hedgehog agreed
Ris grestar Ganondorf vs dracula
Hmm... The One Billionth Ring wasn't used. Interesting
That'd still do nothing
@@willycheez7218 wrong but ok
@@medaka-chankurokami1882 He'll just phase through it
@@willycheez7218 thats not how it works
@@willycheez7218 it can bring him back from existence erasure
I'm glad Sonic is not as OP like Flash. Just shows me how poor the writing is in DC. Don't get me wrong. Archie's storytelling can be terrible as well, but like I want to be a fan of Archie Sonic, but when it has Universal breaking powers, it just kind of bore me. I never knew he had that kind of power, and that upsets me. Like, I enjoy stories where a hero goes over his limits, not like....guess what it's impossible to do this....so...i can change everything. Archie Sonic....phew...i didn't know how crazy OP he was too. So-idk.....Flash won. Simple as that. Like Superman wins all the time. They just have universal braking power that is better than everyone else's universal breaking power...
I mean, wally’s wife had a miscarriage, he was trapped in the speed force by dr Manhattan, nearly beaten to death by zoom, and had his entire family erased from existence and only just got them back as of recently
@@raykreiger4123 Whut?! lol What, omg? Comic books man....got to sell them somehow...
thing is wally is pretty much universally liked more than Barry. He was much less of a one dimensional characters and is pretty much better written and much more interesting in every single way than Barry. I will admit though dc is currently treating wally like absolute shit thanks to them bringing back Barry Allen and heroes in crisis. that storyline was so bad it was pretty much forgotten and retconned. this video explains why wally was great. ua-cam.com/video/Qa-Jb3sUb7w/v-deo.html
Let’s be honest this matchup is dead even and I can’t say who would really win. DB did downplay both characters and both can beat each other in some way. The real loser is DB bc the hate is gonna destroy them.
They didn’t downplay either of them they both capped at multiversal and above your just salty bro
Jaden Glanton it doesn’t matter how much they capped them. They were still downplayed as Wally had Dr Manhattan powers and Archie Sonic has both a Dark form and the Zone of Silence that can easily alter the match to either favor. You’re just stupid on what downplay means.
Alibaba Dr. Manhattan powers would be in the same vein as sozens comet it’s not apart of his standard arsenal it would be like giving Batman the Mobius chair in Batman vs Spider-Man
Jaden Glanton well Wally has done well vs Dr.Manhattan so it’s a feat that they missed and more importantly Archie Sonic canonically beat Segata Sanshiro. That alone are feats that DB ignored and can allow a victory for them.
This isn’t that good a win for Wally. He basically had to lame it out. Also I’m a little confused by the explanation, seams like even they aren’t convinced by the outcome.
That’s what happens with fights as close as this. Archie Sonic actually almost won, but the researchers found out last second about the Speed Force being about the Bleed, a 5D space, similar to the chaos force, which caused Wally to win last minute.
@@trashandtreasure1541 That's stupid that. So you're telling me Sonic would've won if they didn't find that out? Wally could still vibrate his body and just stay untouchable until Ultra Sonic ran out
Sam Blackmore It caused Wally to win last minute because without it, you can argue that Sonic could just erase the Speed Force. The fact that the Speed Force > The Bleed = The Chaos Force means Sonic shouldn’t be able to erase it
But I Disagree With The Outcome Archie Sonic should've Won.
Infact Death Battle Hates the Sonic Franchise and they made dc win because of the stupid money relationship instead of really research
Nah I think you're just mad lol
@@sixtwohunchos4198 yeah
@@sixtwohunchos4198 It's Both Dc has a winning Streak and Sega is starting to have a losing streak Like Power rangers Did
@@essentialandthecable829 true
Wally is stronger. They love Sonic, they made Sonic and Tails beat Mario and Luigi. That wouldn't happen in a million years
Not a fan of DC or Sonic, but this was an awesome birthday gift. I got to see such an overrated and overhyped character die. Only way this could have been better is if good ol' Sailor Moon herself fought and won today
@Cereal Man Honestly, as mucha s I don't like DC, I actually like Wally. He's actually memorable unlike ANY version of the stupid hedgehog
@Cereal Man Sonic is much more overrated
I picked Wally west to win just because DC characters are just OP as hell
Shut up
DC Is not op it's the evil of DC making death battle Make dc Characters win
That was bs and you know it
Naww
@@gitgudscrubadub4941 shut up
Mr. Mememan Someone's mad 💀💀 bro they literally said the entity of chaos stated the only thing that could kill sonic was sonic dying from old age, and they showed that Wally could travel forward in time to the point where death had no effect on him, all Wally had to do was take sonic into the future where he no longer exists
@@sixtwohunchos4198 shut up
@@mr.mememan2525
State your argument with evidence to prove that Death Battle was wrong.
death battle should not use dc anymore because they're broken ass gods
True
King Kong plot armor or omnipotent hax
Jamari The Hedgehog yep
King Kong ya but....comics are beyond broken
Cereal Man true but 90% of versus matchups.....dc always wins
Flash kill sonic
I hate to say it... but I can see the reasons as to why Death Battle had this outcome. I'm not agreeing with their logic, I'm just accepting that they don't take characters like Goku, Ben 10 and Archie Sonic seriously enough
It should be mentioned that they don't always do the best research (which is for the most part unintentional) and sometimes going into a fight (such as this one) they thought someone else would win when it was the other character
Skeleton Crew I can see it now, I’m going to get a ton of people saying I’m salty because i ‘fanboy’ all these characters. Which is kind of true, but are they really going to say that Archie Sonic doesn’t win against Wally, like Ben 10 vs Green Lantern, some of the information they shared at the end was actually false
This is bullshit, Sonic can alter reality. Wally was affected by the DC reboot. Therefore he can be affected by this.
Hey duo look I gotta be honest DEATH BATTLE Cheated
Nah, sonic aint shit to wally
@King Kong Your wrong look, death battle always makes dc win because they cheated everytime first ben vs green lantern and now Wally vs sonic that proves there such cheaters.
Sonic can’t win against Wally
Raymond Maciel Nice job, still not providing facts and proof
@@kombatkid1289 Prove I'll show you prove and I will when get UA-cam channel started but this time Barry Allen against sonic to prove that wiz and boomstick cheated
11:38 No... You didn't. My friend, The Rappter did cuz he made a video of Winter Soilder Vs Red Hood BEFORE you created Battle Mode.