What I'm curious, did you also have motor support at more than 50 KM/h? Most devices to unrestrict the motor, simply half the registered speed, thus the motor support is cut of at 50 instead of 25. And yeah, with slightly more aerodynamic equipment, you'd be even faster at those speeds :)
My BBSHD1000 mtb can cruise along at 48- 63 kph, 48 slight incline, 65 slight decline, with me 100kg, 52 tooth chainring, in top gear throttle only, spinning the back wheel off the ground it can spin at 95kph, fastest I have ever been, going down on a very steep hill is 69 kph, wing resistance is far to high to go any faster.
Of course he can go faster! Carbon wheels for a better acceleration, skinny road tires for less rolingresitance, shorter cranks, road dress to be more aero (Ask Dr. Oli from GCN) , choose another warm day with no headwind, etc...... Would like to see episode II. Cheers! Great fun 😀.
Shimano E8000 can go 40mpg on boost mode in38x10 gearing (simple app derestrict) Some people say it can go up to 85 km/h But I assume you have to increse the size of a chain ring in the front, because you simply run out of gear at 35-40mpg
My Kenevo has a Planet 3, which lets the motor keep going past 25kph. On the flat I can get it to about 40kph, for short sprint bursts. BY then I'm spinning at 120 rpm, Anyone who thinks that a Planet 3 will let my bike do 75 kph is nuts and understands neither gearing, nor power. To do 75kph would take over 2000 watts, and E-bikes just don't make that much power. An elite track rider putting out 1500 watts can sprint to that kind of speed for a very short period of time. Gearing and wind resistance are VERY limiting factors. Most of the time, in general riding, I cruise around 30 kph, which is m much nicer than hitting the wall at 25kph, similar speeds to any road bike and much slower than a serious roadie. Off road, up hills, usually much slower.
@@embnI own one LMX 64 and it's not like it's crazy torquie. The assistance is well balanced. You should reach out to LMX in Lyon to get a demo and find out. Keep your good job !
NZ bikes are generally restricted due to sharing a market with AU, but we have no speed restrictions for bikes, but a 300W power limit. The use or restrictions is really stupid for commuting on public roads especially. Maybe not so bad for shared paths.
I'd love to know what this does to the range ? i.e what you could realistically expect in restricted mode vs what you might achieve when its derestricted
By cruising at 32-35 km/h you actually gain a few km of range. At 45 km/h the range is about half of a stock bike. Experimented on a Bosch CX MTB and a Bosch Active Line Plus city bike with VOLspeed V4 on flat road. 32-35 km/h is a comfortable commuting speed, 45km/h is not. (on these bikes)
I’ve peaked out on Trek Rail @33mph, bike path trail. I’m 71 yo. I’m riding de restricted, Continental knobby tires. Seems like y’all should be going faster??? IMO
I go faster than that on my acoustic bike, and I'm not much younger than you. But you really need to weigh up the risks and be considerate, it isn't just about speed.
CYC Photon on 27.5 1x hardtail can easily go 60kph at 750W on the flat. All of these bikes could go so much faster, but my paramedic brother in law is busy enough picking up ecyclists as it is.
While I agree that ebikes could be 5-10km/h faster,, using the speeds reached by professional athletes in controlled environments/tracks is not really a valid comparison. The point is that amateurs are often not responsible or practised enough to behave responsibly and biked are almost always ridden around public areas. It is a genuine public safety concern to have ebikes (road or EMTB) racing around at high speeds.
And still everybody having a drivers license which he/her failed to achieve 5 times can get himself a 1000hp car which is not restriced and purely relies on sensefull thinking 🤯
They still have to go thru a test etc then have insurance and tax, not the same as some numpty riding a 1000w ebike they have purchased online on pavements etc lol
It really grinds my gears when people say ebikes are limited to 25kph, thus they are slow. Ebikes can go as fast as you can pedal and they will also assist you up to 25kph. Just because the motor stops, doesn’t mean you also have to.
Except it's like hitting a brick wall after 25kph limit, basically pedalling a tank that's way way harder to pedal than a non-ebike at 25kph+, it can make road riding a ebike more or less useless except when you are going uphill. Unless you've spent 10k on a ultra light ebike. there should be a limit yes, but it should be 20mph limit in my opinion. by raising the limit slightly, it would stop alot of "illegal" bikes being ridden on the road also. Off road riding, the limit isn't such a problem. Again, in my opinon
A manual mountain bike is one of the slowest vehicles on the road. It is hard to sustain even 15mph on a manual mountain bike. But the restricted Ebike is still too slow on the road, the limit desperately needs to be raised
Absolute tosh about the speed restrictions, Picked up a new emtb at the weekend and haven't fitted the speedbox yet, hitting the limit on a downhill trail was like hitting a wall and super dangerous.
Just wear it out a bit quicker, they're designed to do it. Manufacturers just restrict them to dodge legal stuff for international sales. Different countries have different rules and we have the sissy-est rules of them all.
Why do we even accept bike speed and power restrictions when cars and pickups weight tonnes and have no restrictions at all. And they like bikes, also sometimes share space with others including pedestrians.
Because cars and motorcycles don’t tend to ride on the pavement or paths which are shared by both pedestrians and bicycles. I regularly see idiots riding e-bicycles along the pavement a great speed endangering pedestrians. That’s why we don’t want them to be capable of attaining speeds of 40+mph!
On the local "Fast 50". A serious group ride guys come from nearby towns to contest, they hit 34 or 35 mph in the final sprint. Pack speed is easily 27mph for a long stretch. No E bikes.
So a derestricted canyon e-gravel bike only goes 4-5mph faster than top speed of a class 3 bike/speed pedelec? that's not really that impressive? I think a hot rodded super 73 e-moped thing can go like 50mph, but that's not really a "bicycle"
Not related to the video but been wanting to ask u guys...is there any kind of e mountain bike cover that you've come across that is suitable for roof mounted bikes. I've researched a lot and all I've found is something that looks like Mr Motivators Spandex stretched over the saddle forks and bars. We want to caravan with our 2 e bikes this year covering 3000+ miles and one bike has to go on the car roof. (Finding a roof carrier rated for an e bike was hard enough). Did uk bike trip last summer with them and got lucky with the weather but that was a 500 mile round trip. Any ideas would be great. Thank you
@embn OK thank you guys, it's one of those things you just can't believe isn't a 'thing' I understand it'd be difficult given the wind speeds trying to destroy it and dangerous if it came loose and then covered someone else's windscreen but still, nothing out there. Cheers
An ebike can go faster than 25kph while restricted, just pedal harder like the person on a normal bike does! I have an ebike and it's great for commuting imo, absolutely nothing wrong with the ebike assist limit.
You can also go with a speed pedelec, but then you're usually also required to have insurance, proper helmet and in some places a registration as well.
"as fast as they want" = within the legal speed limits though, right? What about passing a test too - if you want them to be taxed and insured? It would be great to know your thoughts on it!
So you want people to pay tax for riding off road on cycle paths, canal paths and mtb trails (where the majority of mtb ebikes are used).. and to go as fast as they want on some of those routes shared by walkers, runners and kids etc 😂😂
Do you think you could have done it faster? Did Rich cheat? Share your thoughts! 👇
What I'm curious, did you also have motor support at more than 50 KM/h? Most devices to unrestrict the motor, simply half the registered speed, thus the motor support is cut of at 50 instead of 25. And yeah, with slightly more aerodynamic equipment, you'd be even faster at those speeds :)
My BBSHD1000 mtb can cruise along at 48- 63 kph, 48 slight incline, 65 slight decline, with me 100kg, 52 tooth chainring, in top gear throttle only, spinning the back wheel off the ground it can spin at 95kph, fastest I have ever been, going down on a very steep hill is 69 kph, wing resistance is far to high to go any faster.
@@thebeaglebeat3615 My KTM 890R will wheelie at 60mph in 3rd gear, and hit 130 mph fairly quick.
If all you use is throttle your riding a motorcycle.
My thoughts exactly that jacket with a good on can't be the best areodynamicaly
Arthur@@patoberli
I think the eMTB could have been faster with let's say, hook worm tires on it.
What an awesome video. You two are funny, entertaining and a riot to watch. Great content as always! Props!
Thanks for watching!
Of course he can go faster! Carbon wheels for a better acceleration, skinny road tires for less rolingresitance, shorter cranks, road dress to be more aero (Ask Dr. Oli from GCN) , choose another warm day with no headwind, etc...... Would like to see episode II. Cheers! Great fun 😀.
Very true! There's lots we can do, finding a straighter track for starters... ⚡️
Any Aerodynamic expert would be horrified at the view of this video 😂😂😂
With the jacket hood like a parachute brake😂
there is enough room vor improvement the next time
Precisely! We'll wait until it's warmer out before we make Rich wear the skinsuit 🥶
Shimano E8000 can go 40mpg on boost mode in38x10 gearing (simple app derestrict) Some people say it can go up to 85 km/h But I assume you have to increse the size of a chain ring in the front, because you simply run out of gear at 35-40mpg
My Freesky Swift Horse with the unlimited controller ( otherwise completely stock ) has hit 45mph ( down hill lol ) but easily cruises 35mph. Love it.
I love this. Thanks for sharing
Bend the rules, cheated, who cares. What I saw is a couple of people have a great time on bikes. Loved it
My Kenevo has a Planet 3, which lets the motor keep going past 25kph. On the flat I can get it to about 40kph, for short sprint bursts. BY then I'm spinning at 120 rpm, Anyone who thinks that a Planet 3 will let my bike do 75 kph is nuts and understands neither gearing, nor power.
To do 75kph would take over 2000 watts, and E-bikes just don't make that much power. An elite track rider putting out 1500 watts can sprint to that kind of speed for a very short period of time. Gearing and wind resistance are VERY limiting factors.
Most of the time, in general riding, I cruise around 30 kph, which is m much nicer than hitting the wall at 25kph, similar speeds to any road bike and much slower than a serious roadie. Off road, up hills, usually much slower.
25 kph speed limit/cutout, is ridiculous, especially for road use, usa has the right idea, 750watts.
Martyn needs to do a flying mile hand pedaled e-trike record breaker try !!!
Bafang BBSHD/02: hold my beer. I'm gonna show these youngsters how it's done.
Agreed my channel proofs it all
@@madmanwheelies6157 proves vs proofs
Bafang BBSHD with asi bac855 controller, 72 volt battery on a Surly Ice Cream Truck will do 60mph at 3900 watts
Great video! You should try the French brand LMX eMTB with 191Nm !
Surely the rear wheel just spins in the mud? 🤔
@@embnI own one LMX 64 and it's not like it's crazy torquie. The assistance is well balanced. You should reach out to LMX in Lyon to get a demo and find out. Keep your good job !
I have the same Canyon Grail:ON, its an SUV in a bike world! My personal v-max is 62 km/h...
This is wholesome 😂
I have hit over 32 mph on a Focus JAM2 E-MTB on occasion with the Shimano E8000. I'm surprised he wasn't going faster on that gravel bike.
NZ bikes are generally restricted due to sharing a market with AU, but we have no speed restrictions for bikes, but a 300W power limit. The use or restrictions is really stupid for commuting on public roads especially. Maybe not so bad for shared paths.
DIY triple motor setup with an eggrider v2 and phasrunner would get you going pretty fast.
Can you please make me a video of the speed pedelec emtb M1 Spitzing. Would be very nice. Spitzing Evolution R 75 kmh emtb.
I'd love to know what this does to the range ? i.e what you could realistically expect in restricted mode vs what you might achieve when its derestricted
Not as fast as my cyc x1 or my bbshd running on 72v is the answer.
Same, BBSHD 1000 😊
I tossed some Maxxis Hookworms on my eMTB it went like the clappers before some grub pinched it
Can we see how the range is affected by derestricting??
By cruising at 32-35 km/h you actually gain a few km of range. At 45 km/h the range is about half of a stock bike.
Experimented on a Bosch CX MTB and a Bosch Active Line Plus city bike with VOLspeed V4 on flat road.
32-35 km/h is a comfortable commuting speed, 45km/h is not. (on these bikes)
I would expect it to be about the same, maybe slightly less, but probably barely noticeable..
Derestricting doesn't affect range, power draw does.
I’ve peaked out on Trek Rail @33mph, bike path trail. I’m 71 yo. I’m riding de restricted, Continental knobby tires. Seems like y’all should be going faster??? IMO
I go faster than that on my acoustic bike, and I'm not much younger than you. But you really need to weigh up the risks and be considerate, it isn't just about speed.
CYC Photon on 27.5 1x hardtail can easily go 60kph at 750W on the flat. All of these bikes could go so much faster, but my paramedic brother in law is busy enough picking up ecyclists as it is.
While I agree that ebikes could be 5-10km/h faster,, using the speeds reached by professional athletes in controlled environments/tracks is not really a valid comparison. The point is that amateurs are often not responsible or practised enough to behave responsibly and biked are almost always ridden around public areas. It is a genuine public safety concern to have ebikes (road or EMTB) racing around at high speeds.
And still everybody having a drivers license which he/her failed to achieve 5 times can get himself a 1000hp car which is not restriced and purely relies on sensefull thinking 🤯
meanwhile any idiot can get a drivers licence, given enough time and money and can drive a 1000+hp Car...
They still have to go thru a test etc then have insurance and tax, not the same as some numpty riding a 1000w ebike they have purchased online on pavements etc lol
@embn what is the longest continuous climb in the uk on or off road? That would be a challenge
There are some horrifically long and arduous ones on the roads in the Lake District! National Hill Climb Champs is always looking up that way 😬
It really grinds my gears when people say ebikes are limited to 25kph, thus they are slow.
Ebikes can go as fast as you can pedal and they will also assist you up to 25kph. Just because the motor stops, doesn’t mean you also have to.
Except it's like hitting a brick wall after 25kph limit, basically pedalling a tank that's way way harder to pedal than a non-ebike at 25kph+, it can make road riding a ebike more or less useless except when you are going uphill. Unless you've spent 10k on a ultra light ebike.
there should be a limit yes, but it should be 20mph limit in my opinion.
by raising the limit slightly, it would stop alot of "illegal" bikes being ridden on the road also.
Off road riding, the limit isn't such a problem. Again, in my opinon
Image that sprint in an aerodynamic suit, not that parachute in your neck
Would be nice to see speed test of 160 nm, lol, you needed a 48 tooth chainring on the mtb lol
I have de limited my turbo levo and can reach up to 28mph before the gears wont let me go faster
A manual mountain bike is one of the slowest vehicles on the road. It is hard to sustain even 15mph on a manual mountain bike. But the restricted Ebike is still too slow on the road, the limit desperately needs to be raised
Just always bare in mind you will hurt yourself badly when you fall off!!
Absolute tosh about the speed restrictions, Picked up a new emtb at the weekend and haven't fitted the speedbox yet, hitting the limit on a downhill trail was like hitting a wall and super dangerous.
Try doing it without a parachute on.
Id like to know what kind of damage de restricting a Ebike mite have on the motor?
Just wear it out a bit quicker, they're designed to do it. Manufacturers just restrict them to dodge legal stuff for international sales. Different countries have different rules and we have the sissy-est rules of them all.
E8000 full mtb. Derstricted day 1 and 4 years and 6,500km later its still going well
Why do we even accept bike speed and power restrictions when cars and pickups weight tonnes and have no restrictions at all. And they like bikes, also sometimes share space with others including pedestrians.
Because cars and motorcycles don’t tend to ride on the pavement or paths which are shared by both pedestrians and bicycles. I regularly see idiots riding e-bicycles along the pavement a great speed endangering pedestrians. That’s why we don’t want them to be capable of attaining speeds of 40+mph!
On the local "Fast 50". A serious group ride guys come from nearby towns to contest, they hit 34 or 35 mph in the final sprint.
Pack speed is easily 27mph for a long stretch. No E bikes.
So a derestricted canyon e-gravel bike only goes 4-5mph faster than top speed of a class 3 bike/speed pedelec? that's not really that impressive? I think a hot rodded super 73 e-moped thing can go like 50mph, but that's not really a "bicycle"
Not related to the video but been wanting to ask u guys...is there any kind of e mountain bike cover that you've come across that is suitable for roof mounted bikes. I've researched a lot and all I've found is something that looks like Mr Motivators Spandex stretched over the saddle forks and bars. We want to caravan with our 2 e bikes this year covering 3000+ miles and one bike has to go on the car roof. (Finding a roof carrier rated for an e bike was hard enough). Did uk bike trip last summer with them and got lucky with the weather but that was a 500 mile round trip. Any ideas would be great. Thank you
None that we've got any experience with! You may have found yourself a niche if you get inventive 🧐
What roof rack do you have for your bikes? Everything I’ve looked at says they are not suitable for e bikes and their weight…
@embn OK thank you guys, it's one of those things you just can't believe isn't a 'thing' I understand it'd be difficult given the wind speeds trying to destroy it and dangerous if it came loose and then covered someone else's windscreen but still, nothing out there. Cheers
If you haven’t de-restricted your E-bike you shouldn’t own one!!!
Do you own one? De restricted = more fun faster. Try it, remember you are dragging 50+ pounds not 28 pounds analog.
@@douglaskaye1395 read my comment again!!
@@douglaskaye1395read again what he typed....
Nutters, so just how fast could you go on a straight??
Why does everyone want to go fast .. please don't run my slow but down 😅
The slower you go the further you get.
@@micklessard9964 feels like I will eventually 😆
How fast? Don’t know…..how fast can a motor bike go?
i think with slicks thats worth 5mph
You wouldn't want to ride on frosty tarmac with slicks on!
Could have at least removed the peaks from the helmets!
We will do when we give it a proper go 😉
That Haibike 😂 🤮
World speed record on an ebike...filmed in slow motion....
Rich was going so fast we could only catch him on the slow-mo cameras 📸
😂🤣😂🤣@@embn
Why just peddle faster
pedal vs peddle
An ebike can go faster than 25kph while restricted, just pedal harder like the person on a normal bike does! I have an ebike and it's great for commuting imo, absolutely nothing wrong with the ebike assist limit.
You can also go with a speed pedelec, but then you're usually also required to have insurance, proper helmet and in some places a registration as well.
u r the funny one at partys, uh
People should be allowed to go as fast as they want on e-bikes but should have tax and insurance like moped riders
"as fast as they want" = within the legal speed limits though, right?
What about passing a test too - if you want them to be taxed and insured? It would be great to know your thoughts on it!
They shouldn't be taxed they are zero emissions, you don't tax a zero emissions car. Definitely insured though
So you want people to pay tax for riding off road on cycle paths, canal paths and mtb trails (where the majority of mtb ebikes are used).. and to go as fast as they want on some of those routes shared by walkers, runners and kids etc 😂😂
I’d sooner stick with my restricted free to ride emtb
@@embnspeed limits on the roads don’t apply to cyclists 😂
i'm one of those who whould be happy to make a test and pay insurance, same as car, but begin able to legally un-limit the motor 🥹
you can do - it's fine to derestrict and use on the rad, they just have to be licensed and insured and you have to wear a helmet....