New to riding. Picked up an '02 1200 XL custom. Already has the upgraded intake sytem on it but stock exhaust. Couldn't be happier. I've had so much fun not only riding, but learning to do my own work on it.
Watching this series so far has gotten me so much invested in dyno tuning and wanting to be a dyno tech.. I have learned so much from this so far that I want to go to school to learn it but it is WAY too expensive to do it
JIMMY MAC!!!! Dude!!!! He was hands down my favorite teacher at MMI! He was a great teacher and made learning fun! So glad to see him still doing it! So awesome! Learned a lot from him! 🍻
That gold flake paint job is SICK. That's the first HD I've seen in a long time that I would probably actually ride... just because it looks so damn cool.
I don't know how people find something to dislike about this vid... great video man been watching your content for about 2 years now. Keep up the good work Blockhead.
As a former student of his, specifically in Buell and Screaming Eagle 1 courses at MMI Orlando, he's a phenomenal instructor and in the boring course that is Screaming Eagle 1 he made it very entertaining. Jimmy McMillan is a phenomenal instructor, I learned a lot from him and his good buddy, fellow instructor, and fellow AHDRA drag racer Bob Drapp! Both are wealths of Knowledge!
I put a stage 2 with some short shots on my 2019 1200 Iron among other things and my bike is very iconic in my town with how aggressive I ride it leaving everyone behind. You can hear me coming from across town. I love the sportsters
I really enjoyed listening to him explain all the little technical details. Fascinating. It makes me want to work at my local HD dealer and become a "dyno guy". 👍
I'm new to this ch. This is some of the best instruction I have ever heard. He made the science of tuning so simple. He deserves to be called "Professor"
I bought an /08 1200 on stage one but they ran it without a tune..... The spark plugs were snow white after running. Installed V&H tuner and that's what she needed. I got more fuel to match the air. Awesome difference. Plugs are honey colored as should be. Makes for a good Sportster. This demo here is spot on with it's geometry.
Just pulled my 2019 Roadster out of the Storage/Mod Season up here in Washington State. Mods - 2-1 Full System Exhaust, The Gas Box 007 Air Intake, HD Tuner, Dyno Tuned. Lost weight dropping the OEM exhaust and spam can intake. Stock OEM - The Evo 1200 did not like going anything above 85mph. The power just started petering out. My customized Stage 1 NON Screaming Eagle EFI Roadster - 100mph uphill all day long with lots of left over twist to go on the throttle. It was worth it in my opinion. It is like a limiter was removed from the engine. The other big plus is my knee isn't banging on the Spam Can.
Very informative thanks Block, I've got a 2020 48 special currently being run in but I'm toying with the idea of a stage 1 afterwards. This is the best video I've seen and I now understand a lot more.🤯
Love your video, thanks for the in depth explanation. Bought my 72 used. It had V&H pipes and I added the S&S teardrop mini. I'm 61 and have had a few sportys and big twins. I don't need any more power than what this thing puts out-serious get up and go. My thoughts before I got it was a cam upgrade-couple rides and I'm over that.
Jimmy is not only extremely knowledgeable, he's able to share that knowledge in ways that others can understand. It's obvious that he's an instructor and not strictly a tuner/builder.
Not just raw date. But a professionals reasoning and explanation of the mindset the engineers had when developing the product. Everyone wants to chase more but really it's fine the way it was, even if limited on the top end
I'm really enjoying all the videos of the Dyno runs and the explanations of HP and TQ numbers. Great series and I'm looking forward to more Goldzilla content!
J Mac is a great guy. I have had many dealings with him throughout the years. Stage one 1200 sportsters will make 69-75 hp and 72-77 torque. A 883 to 1200 conversion will make more power because of primary drive ratio
@@anitabonghit266 that's completely stupid that would be like saying changing gears in my car is going to make my engine more powerful it might change how the vehicle drives but it doesn't change how much power the engine make I don't think you know a lot about vehicles or understand what you're saying
@@neilbrown82 an easy way to prove that I’m correct is doing dyno pulls in different gears. On bikes we use forth gear for the most accurate hp and torque numbers. If you do a pull in 5th your numbers go up and if you do a pull in 6th your numbers go up even more. The jump from forth to fifth is greater than the jump from 5th to 6th
My 02 1200c was a factory custom......it had the chrome motor and bluish/grey and cream white with ruby red pin stripping...and 24 caret gold HD on the tank...it had drag bars on a riser...I removed the drag bars and put 6 inch bars on it....with the riser and the 6 bars it was pretty rad.....it had been dyno jetted.....it always wanted to go up in 3rd gear...very fast.
I bought 1200 Sportster with a stage 1 air filter, Vance and Hines short shot, and a Vance and Hines tuner. I added the Screaming Eagle clutch and this bikes rips. Oddly enough just like in this vid I started to find if I shift earlier rather then rapping it all the way out to the end of rpm band. I would have more power. It actually lifts the front wheel enough going into second to scare piss out of you. Not something I expected the first time I hit the power band just right 😉
I love this guy’s analogies. He makes things easier to grasp, he must be a great instructor. This is by far the best comparison/explanation video of tuning that I’ve seen. Thanks a bunch for doing this. In addition, I’m not usually a fan of the ‘72 but damn I’d buy that one in a heartbeat!
Dr Mac has probably forgotten more about this stuff than most Dyno guys have learned. I had to watch this video twice to "get it". Well, done Blockhead. This is the kind of video that helps a LOT more than watching guys ride to lunch places....if you know who I mean...
The sportster is such a versatile bike. The one in my avi is a 1994 that started life as a 883 standard that went to a 1200 and is now a triked hammer 1250 with raked trees, 4 gallon sport Bob tank, pingel shifter and thunderheader. Really just too much to list. It fucking rips even with that heavy ass trike swing arm and rearend. I'm not sure what cams it has though as I've yet to open the cam chest. I have a set of buell thunderstorm heads I plan to install in the near future. Yes that is my wheelchair mounted on the back!
@@easyfromtnbtw3555 I'm very happy that I went with them. Great parts, customer service and extremely knowledgeable! When I put the thunderstorm heads on I think I might go with a set of their impact cams also.
Coming from a Vmax owner whom consistently stomped V-Rods, I finally thought I may calm things down a bit and buy a new Harley "Breakout". I didn't need the power nor the speed any longer. I figured a cruiser with a bit of snort would be enough. The Harley dealer insisted I try the (At that Time) the Breakout. Took it out for a ride and I was thoroughly disappointed. I remember riding 1980's era Kawasaki 440's that had more power. Keep in mind I was comparing it to my old school 1200 Vmax...not the modern version. Again, I wasn't looking for something as powerful as the old version of the Vmax...just something with snort that was about 70% of the power. The salesman told me I could upgrade the already $22,000 bike with these stage 1 through 4 kits. He also told me the stage 4 kit voids the warranty. Each stage added thousands of dollars at that time. The new version of the Yamaha Vmax (1700cc) was on the market for just under $18,000 and it would stomp a stage 10 Harley if there was such a thing. I walked out of the dealership. Harley needs to make bikes that honk from the factory with a decent warranty....get rid of the "Stages" upgrades. Anybody can straight pipe exhaust, make a lot of noise and watch a Volkswagen beat you across the intersection. How about make a reliable, decently powered cruiser that looks and performs great from the factory? When Harley hits those points, I may consider buying one.
Slow vs water cooled 1200’s. Throttle by wire, for emissions, and liquid cooling has really helped with horsepower production. We have bikes that make over 200 horsepower. This same throttle by wire allows engineers to tame the power delivery with software which also makes possible Lean TC, Lean ABS, cruise control, antiwheelie, etc.
Wow this guy has probably forgotten more about working on Harleys than most guys know who are doing diy video's on you tube. Great explanations, clear and concise only a good teacher can make a complicated subject easy and interesting to wrap your head around thank you.
Great vid mate. Enough info for an average bloke to get himself in trouble lol That comment of HD Vtwin being 2 separate engines connected in 1 block sat well. Getting them both running optimum, then running in sync is where the magic happens.
Any opnions on the V&H FP3 tuner? Also, it would be nice to see a comparison between these "off the shelf" tuners and see how well they perform on the same bike. Great videos, keep them coming!
Just get the engine to breathe. Head porting, flow bench work and a street valve job will help. Cams with the right amount of overlap helps immensely. A good 2 into 1 exhaust is the way to go. Build what you want. Ride safe.
We used to have a Buell X1W with aftermarket exhaust and no rev limiter. That thing had SO much torque. We used to have to really warn people when they rode it. Some dude in the city we lived in claimed he swapped his Sporter's engine out with an X1 Buell engine, or maybe modified it to make the engine basically a Buell (same base engine anyway.) It's been a while so I don't recall the details too well. I would bet it was a lot of fun to twist a throttle on that bike.
HD used to sell kits to turn a Sportster into a Buell performer. Today's replacement for Buell like parts is Hammer Performance. Hammer has everything from Intakes to Heads to Exhausts to Cams to Go Fast Fuel Modules. Just open your wallet and you can get 115HP out of a Sportster at $6000 (if you want it all).
I leaned this shift pattern a long time ago when I was vary young kid . I leaned my self from riding and driving my car and bike . I can feel and hear the bike what it likes . Now my hearing is failing a bit and it is hard to hear the engine vibe to tune the bikes I have . Another thing that I have learned that the density has a lot to do with how an engine runs . Some days the air is light even when the sun is out and some days it is heavy . I sort of knew when a bike of even my car would perform the best . I just have this feeling inside of me that what is right . It was a pain in the back side to tune a multi carb bike or car . Ho what I mean about car I had cars that had multi carbs on them directly to each port like a bike would have . A carb bike are not so easy to tune in making it rich or lean just by changing up the jets . Just sinking in the carbs to each cylinder is easy for me . I can do both buy ear and feel . When children used to play with toy cars I was playing with engines and things that did not work or it did work and try to break it . One time I took a carb off a lawn mower because it was leaking fuel out of the carb . I wanted to see why it was doing that . I took the bowl off and pulled the pin out to get the float out . back then I did not know what parts was called but I knew what parts are and leaned on my own as I went . But any way I got the float out and leaned what it was for . I leaned that the float would rise as fuel went into bowl area and that pushed the needle to stop the flow . So the so called float or the needle was ether bad or at least the problem . I shook the float and I could feel something slushing inside it and it didn't come out , I got my dads propane tank out and crack the knob on it and lit a match . I just learned how to light the torch . So I put the poor old float on the ground and aim the flame at the float to heat it up . Hoping that it would do something and it did . Steam started and then it lit up . A little flame out of the little hole on the bottom side of the float and that turned into a bigger flame and a longer flame . It did that for a little longer then it started to burn back and just burn around the float . This happened for a while then the float popped apart . After wards and the parts of the float where they spit apart had cooled . I just learned that what was in the float was fuel and that made the float heavy so it let more fuel into the float bowl area and let the carb to over flow . I know this was long and not in the field of this . But I did learned something from this good guy here and wanted to tell a story about learning new things . I still love tinkering on things and I love that some people tell there story and I can lean from them .
Damn this was informative! Makes me want to dial in my bike ... between a new suspension, exhaust, stage 2, tune and dyno ... damnit Blockhead ... you're making me broke... geez
I loved this bike I never had the funds to get on they were 20K AUD and I got a 883 Super low ex demo a year later for a bargain in 2022 I would so much like one but you can only have one bike
I have a 2015, 1200 fourty eight with Cobra slip-ons (cat back), and stock air filter. So it sounds like with just an intake and some sort of tuner, I can increase power and torque by 10-15% that's very impressive. I will look for a tuner and intake ASAP!!
That exact same bike was sitting next to the XL1200 Custom that I bought new in '09. Still riding it, still loving it. Mine is Mirage Orange Pearl over Vivid Black. It gets compliments wherever it goes. Regarding the gold flake, there was also the same thing done with other colors like red and green and they looked incredible. It seems that H-D colors have gone away. The 2021 Softtail standard, black only. The 2021 Fat Boy 114, there's 4 colors and 3 of them are black and one is shit green. Whatever happened to metallic/pearl white, or Wicked Red, or Indigo Blue? I think that paint is super important and it seems that H-D has just completely dropped the ball. Even in 2018, the Fat Boy 114 came in at least 7 colors, so it was a little better than now, but I fear that we will never see the likes of the Sportster 72s again.
@@juliozapata5032 XL1200V aka the Seventy-Two was made from 2012-2016 and is named after Whittier Boulevard in Southern California or Highway 72 which was a cruising route for choppers...
By far the XL1200V Seventy-Two is the best looking sportster made. Didn't quite sell like hotcakes when they were available but are in HUGE demand now. IF you can find one in nice shape especially with the $800 hard candy custom paint upgrade....... grab it!
informative, TY of course 40 years ago none of that meant anything. It's always fuel, oxygen and exhaust. those are your 3 tools. With out computers it's ride and adjust for what you are looking for. these new bikes i would imagine allow you to interact with the tuner and tell it what kind of ride you are taking today so it can adjust your ratios for you. It's all cool stuff but i liked everything better in the 70's and 80's.
Do research. If you buy from a Dealer you'll be fine. If you buy one from Ebay watch out. People are selling some Screaming Eagle Tuners than were recalled because they were setup for Off Road Only Emissions. Harley was fined for those and you might get some funky results (good or bad) if you install one especially if you are in one of those Sick Democrat Controlled areas where you have to smog check your vehicles. It might come $100 cheaper but you have to weigh the risk.
@@pics-by-pete I shop for deals but I do my research as well. Totally understand. I got my SE Tuner at the HD Dealer as well. I am still under warranty so had to go with SE.
I’ve got a ‘12 red flake 72 with exhaust and k&n heavy breather and been thinking about doing a cam but I’d like to see the numbers from stock to built and see the difference
Same bike, yeaer and color. Stage 2 with Arle Ness big sucker, drag pipes and Wood Performance cams. Purchased used, don't have any dyno sheet but buddy who has a Stage 1 2016 StreetBob 103 says the 72 pulls just as hard if not maybe little more than his bike.
Excellent vid! Very surprised at stage I gains… noticed both bikes were export models, with amber rear lenses and speedo reading in km’s. Would love to see difference going to stage II, or all the way to IV if possible!
Maybe the question should be, “how quick is my 72?”. Because once I hit 100 or better that skinny front tire starts having a mind of its own. I don’t think I’ll need to go any faster.
Would it have made more power once it's break in period was done? If the rings aren't fully seated doesn't that effect overall performance and power output?
Great video, very interesting. My 1200 is full stage one, I’d love to go all the way to stage 4 😁. I’ve been looking at cams but don’t really know where to start. I burnt out my stock clutch though, just fitted an Energy One.
I got that stage 1 stuff installed on my 2012 Nighster couple years a go. It redlines at 5750 rpm and makes 88hp 118nm at crank. Wheel horses are at 75hp and torg at 98nm. The pump gasoline is here 95 octane or 98 octane. It has 23000 km on odo now. Last summer i got it to run a round 202 or 203km/h top speed to it`s speedo.
After stage 1 mods i got some visual mods done to it. Original gas tank is Midnight blue with silver metallic sides. New 4,5 gallon tank is Midnight Blue with Lamborghini Verde Ithaca lime green pearl sides. Front fender with previously mentioned color combo. Sadle frame covers in Lamborghini Verde Ithaca. The look is black and green. Harleys Midnight Blue look`s black in normal day light and in bright sun lite you can see the dark blue sparkle in that paint. I like how it look`s still to this day and i keep that color sceme on it.
Good on you thanks,have o7 883 Australia,it did seem to hit rev limiter early,put vh short shots , kukurin AC,and se race tuner, seems to pull a lot harder an longer till hit rev limiter, completely different animal,I think we have pissy import restriction s,on bikes ,dejet ed etc
Wasn't the second bike dyno"ed in this vid a 1200R (Sportster 1200 Roadster) ? It looks like, dual disks in the front, black motor, and this particular paint with the scalop on the tank...without saying the Mickey's ears on the bar :-D This one was from factory a bit more powered than usual stock Sportster with some more HP than the usual ones. First thing that come to my mind is that they should have an Andrews camshaft (don't know if it is the right name as english is not my native language). Continue the great content !!! I'm always waiting for new vids from you with the blockhead's squad and an amazing content !!!
That is a Roadster. You can tell because it has a tachometer, besides the dual front discs. And you're right, it has some more muscle than her sisters, but not that much. The interesting thing of this class of bikes is, Sportsters in general, that they deliver torque in a wide range. In my XLR, stage I, it begins right at 2500 rpm and keeps pushing hard up to 5500 rpm. In other words, you can ride it from 60 km/h to 120 km/h in third gear only. You're cruising at 70 km/h, but then you need to overtake, you just twist the throttle to be launched effortlessly, all in third gear. For real world scenario (hp aside), Sportsters are very satisfactory bikes.
My 1998 xl1200s limits at 5500 rpm. I put on s.e. Mufflers on cut drag pipes (no cross flow bar that way) , a Yost tube, k&n filter, and it feels like there is more above 5500, but can’t get there. Feelsoverall like less torque than stock, but more HP as you rev it toward imposed redline. New module to 6000 or 6300 is expensive, hard to find, and I decided who cares anymore, but I wonder still how it would feel if I could rev it out another 1k. Bottom line: should have left it stock. Spent money to screw up the power band and need to spend more to see if any of it was worthwhile. But as I said, I don’t care anymore.
A old tuner said to me one time " lean is mean " in both good and bad . Then he asked me ! Well how how fast do you want to go kid . I can make the bike go as fast as it can possibly go in a short while or I can make it go as fast it can for a long while .
What a brilliant video, thank you so much for the tech background behind why the upgrades work. It's also really nice to hear two intelligent guys discussing serious mods without cussing and BS. Sounds like a Sportster with a stage 1 kit is a nice all round ride.
I wonder what my 1990 1200 makes. It’s a 4 speed and it’s at 3500 at 75 at top gear. That’s where I ride it although it is rigid mount and vibrates pretty heavily at 3500 so it’s a short range bike at that speed.
New to riding. Picked up an '02 1200 XL custom. Already has the upgraded intake sytem on it but stock exhaust. Couldn't be happier. I've had so much fun not only riding, but learning to do my own work on it.
I pick up a 2008 XL1200C next week with the same plan!
The 72's are such awesome sportsters.
Everytime i see one im in awe; These seventy-two's are pretty as can be.
I’m hoping I can get one this month
Watching this series so far has gotten me so much invested in dyno tuning and wanting to be a dyno tech.. I have learned so much from this so far that I want to go to school to learn it but it is WAY too expensive to do it
JIMMY MAC!!!! Dude!!!! He was hands down my favorite teacher at MMI! He was a great teacher and made learning fun! So glad to see him still doing it! So awesome!
Learned a lot from him! 🍻
I always loved the 72's. Just classy lil bikes.
I’ve got a Lucky Green 2013 Sportster 72. Love that bike.
That gold flake paint job is SICK. That's the first HD I've seen in a long time that I would probably actually ride... just because it looks so damn cool.
I don't know how people find something to dislike about this vid... great video man been watching your content for about 2 years now. Keep up the good work Blockhead.
Haters gotta hate
Is he German?
For you to cry about dislikes, I added a dislike just because of you whinning
That was very interesting to watch. Dr Mac is great to listen to. Sounds like he’s a great instructor.
As a former student of his, specifically in Buell and Screaming Eagle 1 courses at MMI Orlando, he's a phenomenal instructor and in the boring course that is Screaming Eagle 1 he made it very entertaining. Jimmy McMillan is a phenomenal instructor, I learned a lot from him and his good buddy, fellow instructor, and fellow AHDRA drag racer Bob Drapp! Both are wealths of Knowledge!
I put a stage 2 with some short shots on my 2019 1200 Iron among other things and my bike is very iconic in my town with how aggressive I ride it leaving everyone behind. You can hear me coming from across town. I love the sportsters
The gear shift /peak hp breakdown is the best ive 3ver heard for explaining staying in the fat zone,pure gold block 🔥🤘
I really enjoyed listening to him explain all the little technical details. Fascinating. It makes me want to work at my local HD dealer and become a "dyno guy". 👍
I'm new to this ch. This is some of the best instruction I have ever heard. He made the science of tuning so simple. He deserves to be called "Professor"
I bought an /08 1200 on stage one but they ran it without a tune..... The spark plugs were snow white after running. Installed V&H tuner and that's what she needed. I got more fuel to match the air. Awesome difference. Plugs are honey colored as should be. Makes for a good Sportster. This demo here is spot on with it's geometry.
I have a 2013 Sportster 72 matte black. Absolutely love this bike
Just pulled my 2019 Roadster out of the Storage/Mod Season up here in Washington State.
Mods - 2-1 Full System Exhaust, The Gas Box 007 Air Intake, HD Tuner, Dyno Tuned.
Lost weight dropping the OEM exhaust and spam can intake.
Stock OEM - The Evo 1200 did not like going anything above 85mph. The power just started petering out. My customized Stage 1 NON Screaming Eagle EFI Roadster - 100mph uphill all day long with lots of left over twist to go on the throttle. It was worth it in my opinion. It is like a limiter was removed from the engine.
The other big plus is my knee isn't banging on the Spam Can.
Very informative thanks Block, I've got a 2020 48 special currently being run in but I'm toying with the idea of a stage 1 afterwards. This is the best video I've seen and I now understand a lot more.🤯
Love your video, thanks for the in depth explanation. Bought my 72 used. It had V&H pipes and I added the S&S teardrop mini. I'm 61 and have had a few sportys and big twins. I don't need any more power than what this thing puts out-serious get up and go. My thoughts before I got it was a cam upgrade-couple rides and I'm over that.
Jimmy is not only extremely knowledgeable, he's able to share that knowledge in ways that others can understand. It's obvious that he's an instructor and not strictly a tuner/builder.
Not just raw date. But a professionals reasoning and explanation of the mindset the engineers had when developing the product. Everyone wants to chase more but really it's fine the way it was, even if limited on the top end
Gotta love technicians who break bikes in on the dyno!! Clutch and all loved that also!
Sportster Aftermarket: "Whatever you want, we have it in black or chrome in at least 19 different sizes."
I love his analogies but they make sense to me. Great teacher!!
Nice to see Jimmy Mack still there. He was one of my instructors when I attended MMI
i start at MMI in september this year, super excited!
on the 2007 and new sportsters, you would think that the computer would adjust the fuel air mixture to be spot on no matter what mods you make.
I'm really enjoying all the videos of the Dyno runs and the explanations of HP and TQ numbers. Great series and I'm looking forward to more Goldzilla content!
jimmy mac was my instructor for one of my class that introduced the M8 engine
J Mac is a great guy. I have had many dealings with him throughout the years. Stage one 1200 sportsters will make 69-75 hp and 72-77 torque. A 883 to 1200 conversion will make more power because of primary drive ratio
It'll make the same power sorry
@@neilbrown82 no it will. It changes where the power comes on and off and also changes the lose or gain of power transfer from engine to rear wheel
@@anitabonghit266 that's completely stupid that would be like saying changing gears in my car is going to make my engine more powerful it might change how the vehicle drives but it doesn't change how much power the engine make I don't think you know a lot about vehicles or understand what you're saying
@@neilbrown82 Google it and you will find out you are wrong.
@@neilbrown82 an easy way to prove that I’m correct is doing dyno pulls in different gears. On bikes we use forth gear for the most accurate hp and torque numbers. If you do a pull in 5th your numbers go up and if you do a pull in 6th your numbers go up even more. The jump from forth to fifth is greater than the jump from 5th to 6th
I have that same 72 color and everything it was my dads when he passed it’s what getting me started riding lol
My 02 1200c was a factory custom......it had the chrome motor and bluish/grey and cream white with ruby red pin stripping...and 24 caret gold HD on the tank...it had drag bars on a riser...I removed the drag bars and put 6 inch bars on it....with the riser and the 6 bars it was pretty rad.....it had been dyno jetted.....it always wanted to go up in 3rd gear...very fast.
Have 2015 xl totally stock,pretty quick.happy with it!
That torque explanation was on point. I dont ride a bike, but I totally understood brodie!!
Great episode bro 👍! I learnt a lot watching this, he really knows his stuff.
And hi from New Zealand 🇳🇿
I bought 1200 Sportster with a stage 1 air filter, Vance and Hines short shot, and a Vance and Hines tuner. I added the Screaming Eagle clutch and this bikes rips. Oddly enough just like in this vid I started to find if I shift earlier rather then rapping it all the way out to the end of rpm band. I would have more power. It actually lifts the front wheel enough going into second to scare piss out of you. Not something I expected the first time I hit the power band just right 😉
I love this guy’s analogies. He makes things easier to grasp, he must be a great instructor. This is by far the best comparison/explanation video of tuning that I’ve seen. Thanks a bunch for doing this. In addition, I’m not usually a fan of the ‘72 but damn I’d buy that one in a heartbeat!
Dr Mac has probably forgotten more about this stuff than most Dyno guys have learned.
I had to watch this video twice to "get it".
Well, done Blockhead. This is the kind of video that helps a LOT more than watching guys ride to lunch places....if you know who I mean...
Do you mean me? Bc I used to do that all the time 😂
The sportster is such a versatile bike. The one in my avi is a 1994 that started life as a 883 standard that went to a 1200 and is now a triked hammer 1250 with raked trees, 4 gallon sport Bob tank, pingel shifter and thunderheader. Really just too much to list. It fucking rips even with that heavy ass trike swing arm and rearend. I'm not sure what cams it has though as I've yet to open the cam chest. I have a set of buell thunderstorm heads I plan to install in the near future. Yes that is my wheelchair mounted on the back!
Badass!
@@BlockheadMoto thanks!!
That’s awesome I been wanting to build mine I’d like to do the hammer performance
@@easyfromtnbtw3555 I'm very happy that I went with them. Great parts, customer service and extremely knowledgeable! When I put the thunderstorm heads on I think I might go with a set of their impact cams also.
@@masterofnonetv8361 Pretty much everyone I’ve talked to is happy with the outcome I just gotta bite the bullet and get it done thanks for the info
Globs of info we have needed for years! Awesome, so much value in this video!
Coming from a Vmax owner whom consistently stomped V-Rods, I finally thought I may calm things down a bit and buy a new Harley "Breakout". I didn't need the power nor the speed any longer. I figured a cruiser with a bit of snort would be enough. The Harley dealer insisted I try the (At that Time) the Breakout. Took it out for a ride and I was thoroughly disappointed. I remember riding 1980's era Kawasaki 440's that had more power. Keep in mind I was comparing it to my old school 1200 Vmax...not the modern version. Again, I wasn't looking for something as powerful as the old version of the Vmax...just something with snort that was about 70% of the power. The salesman told me I could upgrade the already $22,000 bike with these stage 1 through 4 kits. He also told me the stage 4 kit voids the warranty. Each stage added thousands of dollars at that time. The new version of the Yamaha Vmax (1700cc) was on the market for just under $18,000 and it would stomp a stage 10 Harley if there was such a thing. I walked out of the dealership. Harley needs to make bikes that honk from the factory with a decent warranty....get rid of the "Stages" upgrades. Anybody can straight pipe exhaust, make a lot of noise and watch a Volkswagen beat you across the intersection. How about make a reliable, decently powered cruiser that looks and performs great from the factory? When Harley hits those points, I may consider buying one.
Slow vs water cooled 1200’s. Throttle by wire, for emissions, and liquid cooling has really helped with horsepower production. We have bikes that make over 200 horsepower. This same throttle by wire allows engineers to tame the power delivery with software which also makes possible Lean TC, Lean ABS, cruise control, antiwheelie, etc.
Wow this guy has probably forgotten more about working on Harleys than most guys know who are doing diy video's on you tube. Great explanations, clear and concise only a good teacher can make a complicated subject easy and interesting to wrap your head around thank you.
Great vid mate.
Enough info for an average bloke to get himself in trouble lol
That comment of HD Vtwin being 2 separate engines connected in 1 block sat well.
Getting them both running optimum, then running in sync is where the magic happens.
That is very cool!!!! Really like these videos! Keep up the good work and stay safe out there.
Nice! I just bought a 2015 sportster 72. Only has 500 miles. Lowest mile used 72 I'd ever found till i saw this one.
Highest area under the curve. Key. You said something really important, really quickly right there.
Any opnions on the V&H FP3 tuner? Also, it would be nice to see a comparison between these "off the shelf" tuners and see how well they perform on the same bike. Great videos, keep them coming!
That would be great!
Just get the engine to breathe. Head porting, flow bench work and a street valve job will help. Cams with the right amount of overlap helps immensely. A good 2 into 1 exhaust is the way to go. Build what you want. Ride safe.
Interesting. Very interesting. Thanks for doing this series on the Dyno/Tuning of the bikes! 👍🏻
We used to have a Buell X1W with aftermarket exhaust and no rev limiter. That thing had SO much torque. We used to have to really warn people when they rode it.
Some dude in the city we lived in claimed he swapped his Sporter's engine out with an X1 Buell engine, or maybe modified it to make the engine basically a Buell (same base engine anyway.) It's been a while so I don't recall the details too well. I would bet it was a lot of fun to twist a throttle on that bike.
HD used to sell kits to turn a Sportster into a Buell performer. Today's replacement for Buell like parts is Hammer Performance. Hammer has everything from Intakes to Heads to Exhausts to Cams to Go Fast Fuel Modules. Just open your wallet and you can get 115HP out of a Sportster at $6000 (if you want it all).
I leaned this shift pattern a long time ago when I was vary young kid . I leaned my self from riding and driving my car and bike . I can feel and hear the bike what it likes . Now my hearing is failing a bit and it is hard to hear the engine vibe to tune the bikes I have . Another thing that I have learned that the density has a lot to do with how an engine runs . Some days the air is light even when the sun is out and some days it is heavy . I sort of knew when a bike of even my car would perform the best . I just have this feeling inside of me that what is right . It was a pain in the back side to tune a multi carb bike or car . Ho what I mean about car I had cars that had multi carbs on them directly to each port like a bike would have . A carb bike are not so easy to tune in making it rich or lean just by changing up the jets . Just sinking in the carbs to each cylinder is easy for me . I can do both buy ear and feel . When children used to play with toy cars I was playing with engines and things that did not work or it did work and try to break it . One time I took a carb off a lawn mower because it was leaking fuel out of the carb . I wanted to see why it was doing that . I took the bowl off and pulled the pin out to get the float out . back then I did not know what parts was called but I knew what parts are and leaned on my own as I went . But any way I got the float out and leaned what it was for . I leaned that the float would rise as fuel went into bowl area and that pushed the needle to stop the flow . So the so called float or the needle was ether bad or at least the problem . I shook the float and I could feel something slushing inside it and it didn't come out , I got my dads propane tank out and crack the knob on it and lit a match . I just learned how to light the torch . So I put the poor old float on the ground and aim the flame at the float to heat it up . Hoping that it would do something and it did . Steam started and then it lit up . A little flame out of the little hole on the bottom side of the float and that turned into a bigger flame and a longer flame . It did that for a little longer then it started to burn back and just burn around the float . This happened for a while then the float popped apart . After wards and the parts of the float where they spit apart had cooled . I just learned that what was in the float was fuel and that made the float heavy so it let more fuel into the float bowl area and let the carb to over flow . I know this was long and not in the field of this . But I did learned something from this good guy here and wanted to tell a story about learning new things . I still love tinkering on things and I love that some people tell there story and I can lean from them .
Very intelligent instructor, appreciate the video so interesting block!!
Damn this was informative! Makes me want to dial in my bike ... between a new suspension, exhaust, stage 2, tune and dyno ... damnit Blockhead ... you're making me broke... geez
I ride an 06 Sporty 1200 and I suppose its only a stage 1 screamin eagle. I love the bike! I installed a 9 disk Barnett clutch and its sweet.
I loved this bike I never had the funds to get on they were 20K AUD and I got a 883 Super low ex demo a year later for a bargain in 2022 I would so much like one but you can only have one bike
I have a 2015, 1200 fourty eight with Cobra slip-ons (cat back), and stock air filter. So it sounds like with just an intake and some sort of tuner, I can increase power and torque by 10-15% that's very impressive. I will look for a tuner and intake ASAP!!
We've got a 2016 Breakout at the dealership I work at in the black and gold hard candy
Those slash cut slip-on's are LOUD! I had to use them on my '93 Sporty to scavenge the N8 cams. It wasn't worth the aggravation.
That exact same bike was sitting next to the XL1200 Custom that I bought new in '09. Still riding it, still loving it. Mine is Mirage Orange Pearl over Vivid Black. It gets compliments wherever it goes. Regarding the gold flake, there was also the same thing done with other colors like red and green and they looked incredible. It seems that H-D colors have gone away. The 2021 Softtail standard, black only. The 2021 Fat Boy 114, there's 4 colors and 3 of them are black and one is shit green. Whatever happened to metallic/pearl white, or Wicked Red, or Indigo Blue? I think that paint is super important and it seems that H-D has just completely dropped the ball. Even in 2018, the Fat Boy 114 came in at least 7 colors, so it was a little better than now, but I fear that we will never see the likes of the Sportster 72s again.
❤️ wow that sportster looks good,love the color !
WOW a 72 !
the sportster 72 was made from 2014-2017. is on the sportster lineup paying tribute to the old-school harley from 1972. I have one and is awesome.
@@juliozapata5032 XL1200V aka the Seventy-Two was made from 2012-2016 and is named after Whittier Boulevard in Southern California or Highway 72 which was a cruising route for choppers...
@@bigblue3568 I see people say that all the time
This guy is very good at explainations
By far the XL1200V Seventy-Two is the best looking sportster made. Didn't quite sell like hotcakes when they were available but are in HUGE demand now. IF you can find one in nice shape especially with the $800 hard candy custom paint upgrade....... grab it!
I did lol
informative, TY of course 40 years ago none of that meant anything. It's always fuel, oxygen and exhaust. those are your 3 tools. With out computers it's ride and adjust for what you are looking for. these new bikes i would imagine allow you to interact with the tuner and tell it what kind of ride you are taking today so it can adjust your ratios for you. It's all cool stuff but i liked everything better in the 70's and 80's.
This is a great video! I like how in depth he goes! This answered so many questions I had for upgrading my Honda interstate!
how did he not speak about that V rod dominater thats cool the students can work on a bike of that caliber
Super cool to learn about this stuff🤙 I’m doing the red flake paint job on my 48 to look like the red flake on the 72.
super,that color is very beautiful,the 72 sportsters look so good
Mines a 2012 with red flake and I love it when the sun hits it
Easy from TN BTW I wish they still made them like that! Mines a 2019 and I’m bummed that’s not an option anymore.
@@justinturner4850 yeah I got a quick release 1/4 fairing and wanna get it painted to match the bike
Easy from TN BTW are you gonna paint your fenders too?
Nice explanation of Hp and Torque. Thanks.
That’s one hell of a bike 🤤 with that gold lock that’s your stile but not a not of black, I like it
One of the best block vids yet!
That's an awesome Sportster 72,love the old school chopper looks of those bikes
Dr Mac knows his stuff 👌🏾. I’d love to get my 48 on the dyno. Keep up the great vlogs bro. 👍🏾🤙🏾
Damn, I learned so much. Great video! Can't wait to see the results of the Stage 4 Sporty.
aesome video!!! very informative , I really need to get a tuner for my sporty asap. also a air cleaner.
Do research. If you buy from a Dealer you'll be fine. If you buy one from Ebay watch out. People are selling some Screaming Eagle Tuners than were recalled because they were setup for Off Road Only Emissions. Harley was fined for those and you might get some funky results (good or bad) if you install one especially if you are in one of those Sick Democrat Controlled areas where you have to smog check your vehicles. It might come $100 cheaper but you have to weigh the risk.
@@exexpat11 i don't like buying things from eBay. i like warranties and refunds. thanks for the info .
@@pics-by-pete I shop for deals but I do my research as well. Totally understand. I got my SE Tuner at the HD Dealer as well. I am still under warranty so had to go with SE.
I’ve got a ‘12 red flake 72 with exhaust and k&n heavy breather and been thinking about doing a cam but I’d like to see the numbers from stock to built and see the difference
Same bike, yeaer and color. Stage 2 with Arle Ness big sucker, drag pipes and Wood Performance cams. Purchased used, don't have any dyno sheet but buddy who has a Stage 1 2016 StreetBob 103 says the 72 pulls just as hard if not maybe little more than his bike.
I believe it I was surprised how strong it pulls from almost any rpm it’s a fun bike to ride but you make a lot of friends at the gas station 😂
My first Harley was an 883. Skipped to 88 and think the 1200 is in view very soon.
Great informative video! Def do more of these.. plus stage 2...3....4
Excellent vid! Very surprised at stage I gains… noticed both bikes were export models, with amber rear lenses and speedo reading in km’s. Would love to see difference going to stage II, or all the way to IV if possible!
Loving the technical dive in these vids.
I didn't take the harley course but I actually met him and talked with him for awhile
Maybe the question should be, “how quick is my 72?”. Because once I hit 100 or better that skinny front tire starts having a mind of its own. I don’t think I’ll need to go any faster.
Would it have made more power once it's break in period was done? If the rings aren't fully seated doesn't that effect overall performance and power output?
Great video, very interesting. My 1200 is full stage one, I’d love to go all the way to stage 4 😁. I’ve been looking at cams but don’t really know where to start. I burnt out my stock clutch though, just fitted an Energy One.
Ohh hell yeah I am looking for a new Sporter I have a 12hundred soft tail light purple my Sportster has mega milage on it thanks guys
I have a 2015 sportster 72. I'll love to bike this bike.
Love that orange stage stage one. Never seen that particular paint job. Looks like that bike is an 08 1200 Roadster.
I got that stage 1 stuff installed on my 2012 Nighster couple years a go. It redlines at 5750 rpm and makes 88hp 118nm at crank. Wheel horses are at 75hp and torg at 98nm. The pump gasoline is here 95 octane or 98 octane. It has 23000 km on odo now. Last summer i got it to run a round 202 or 203km/h top speed to it`s speedo.
And it has Vanse/Hines short shots exhaust on it. Slip on`s where stupidly expensive, so i picked up that exhaust for good price at 5 years a go.
After stage 1 mods i got some visual mods done to it. Original gas tank is Midnight blue with silver metallic sides. New 4,5 gallon tank is Midnight Blue with Lamborghini Verde Ithaca lime green pearl sides. Front fender with previously mentioned color combo. Sadle frame covers in Lamborghini Verde Ithaca. The look is black and green. Harleys Midnight Blue look`s black in normal day light and in bright sun lite you can see the dark blue sparkle in that paint. I like how it look`s still to this day and i keep that color sceme on it.
I think I speak for all of us. Video on the turbo sportster please
Dude yes! Lol
Good on you thanks,have o7 883 Australia,it did seem to hit rev limiter early,put vh short shots , kukurin AC,and se race tuner, seems to pull a lot harder an longer till hit rev limiter, completely different animal,I think we have pissy import restriction s,on bikes ,dejet ed etc
WILL NEVER SEE IT.....BUT A SPORTER IS THE ONLY BIKE I WOULD BE ABLE TO HOLD UP...BEAUTIFUL BIKE GOOD. VIDEO
Would be awesome to see more about the 72 :0
Wasn't the second bike dyno"ed in this vid a 1200R (Sportster 1200 Roadster) ? It looks like, dual disks in the front, black motor, and this particular paint with the scalop on the tank...without saying the Mickey's ears on the bar :-D
This one was from factory a bit more powered than usual stock Sportster with some more HP than the usual ones. First thing that come to my mind is that they should have an Andrews camshaft (don't know if it is the right name as english is not my native language).
Continue the great content !!! I'm always waiting for new vids from you with the blockhead's squad and an amazing content !!!
That is a Roadster. You can tell because it has a tachometer, besides the dual front discs. And you're right, it has some more muscle than her sisters, but not that much. The interesting thing of this class of bikes is, Sportsters in general, that they deliver torque in a wide range. In my XLR, stage I, it begins right at 2500 rpm and keeps pushing hard up to 5500 rpm. In other words, you can ride it from 60 km/h to 120 km/h in third gear only. You're cruising at 70 km/h, but then you need to overtake, you just twist the throttle to be launched effortlessly, all in third gear. For real world scenario (hp aside), Sportsters are very satisfactory bikes.
It's not because it's a sportster for overseas, it's still in break in miles on the ecu
Surprised at the rwhp with just slip ons tune and intake
Wow, that was excellent! More like this please.
My 1998 xl1200s limits at 5500 rpm. I put on s.e. Mufflers on cut drag pipes (no cross flow bar that way) , a Yost tube, k&n filter, and it feels like there is more above 5500, but can’t get there. Feelsoverall like less torque than stock, but more HP as you rev it toward imposed redline. New module to 6000 or 6300 is expensive, hard to find, and I decided who cares anymore, but I wonder still how it would feel if I could rev it out another 1k. Bottom line: should have left it stock. Spent money to screw up the power band and need to spend more to see if any of it was worthwhile. But as I said, I don’t care anymore.
Take it to a shop that Dyno Tunes to see what is holding your bike back. Tune it to perfection.
A old tuner said to me one time " lean is mean " in both good and bad . Then he asked me ! Well how how fast do you want to go kid . I can make the bike go as fast as it can possibly go in a short while or I can make it go as fast it can for a long while .
Brilliant video, so interesting really enjoyed this content 👍
What a brilliant video, thank you so much for the tech background behind why the upgrades work. It's also really nice to hear two intelligent guys discussing serious mods without cussing and BS. Sounds like a Sportster with a stage 1 kit is a nice all round ride.
Need to ask him about lean condition backfire and why its bad. It also tells everyone that they don't have a good tune.
Great video. I’m very curious to see what my Roadster puts out.
Older Roadster or the latest Roadster? Mine is a 2019.
@@exexpat11 I have a 2017
I wonder what my 1990 1200 makes. It’s a 4 speed and it’s at 3500 at 75 at top gear. That’s where I ride it although it is rigid mount and vibrates pretty heavily at 3500 so it’s a short range bike at that speed.