Completely understand that I had them swapped in my original tier list (shaheen may have been a bit lower). Honestly the space between Shaheen to Yoshi is not they large, they're mostly on the same level. The reason I have Shaheen higher in this tierlist is because he has more general use tools. Yoshi lacks some good generic tools like decent lows, and he has to assume a lot of risk to do some of his more fucked up, damaging set ups. Shaheen has quite a bit of lows (some that shift into stance), Heen's sidestep is better, and he has better generics. For example, Heen's hopkick crushes the same way yoshi's does, Shaheen has a safe armor heat engager, Shaheen has a guard break he can do out of the heat engager animation. I think Yoshi is harder to fight online for obvious reasons, but in most other settings Shaheen is a more stable character (esp in long form sets).
I can't get it how is lee so low? Defensive character that struggles? Mf has range 3 mixup, i14 mid running move that's plus, safe ff3 that's just as fast as jin ff2, b33 to open someone up, lows overall are awesome and very safe. His df1 you can't step into a button, have to do a full ssl, and that's while his m4, df2,df4 fully track to that side. I can't see how this character is not top 15 at least
Adiue : “Azucena has shitty punishment” . . . She has the highest damage 10f punish in the game with a wall splat added onto it with solid 13f and 15f. Cmon man
This is the most agreeable tier list I've come across so far, but I would; put Paul in A tier *maybe* put Asuka in A+ tier (most downplayed character imo) put Jack and Leo in C tier and Hwoarang in A tier and Eddy in B tier.
Asuka if anything is usually overrated rather than downplayed. Though if you don't know matchup she can give you trouble. With that said sure, she is now much stronger than she was at beginning. But other characters happen to be stronger. So A is more than fair to her placement.
@@ragnarok7452 She isn't too bad to deal with when played as a defensive, keepout focused character like she was in T7, but she's more than capable of being an offensive 50/50 character in this game. When you play her the "correct" way T8 wants you to play, she's very powerful. KingReyJr's Asuka is a great example of that.
I'm stuck between Bushin and Tekken King with Lars and it definitely lines up exactly with what you described. Nothing is real outside of DEN 3. You have to play extra slow and lame just to get people to respect anything. Heat Smash is so slow I'd rather they revert the damage and make it 16f. Damage is pretty mid and combo lacks any strong tailspin effects. Lacks threatening lows. 1,1,1 not wall splatting combined with a weak heat engager follow up is rough when compared to other characters that have similar strings that can accomplish both. Still like to play him but there's a lot of moments where I'm pretty sure this character hardly got a second glance by the balancing team. It's like they only want me to spam DEN 3 and hope for the best since every other tracking option got nerfed hard from T7 or I just get sidestepped.
I like how some of the "Merely viable" characters I've seen make players rage quit...at least all of the top 5 I've played a significant amount of with chainsaw woman leading the squad except for Shaheen. I gotta cover Shaheen.
You described Leo perfectly. A kinda OK/good tool for everything, but nothing great (with some exceptions like ws 11f punish). So in the end it's like... Why play Leo, when you can play Jin/Feng 😅
Swap Shaheen with Yoshi. Lee is too low, should be arround paul~bryan. Hard agree on the rest of the list. And finally someone places Asuka and Lidia in mid tier. They are not bottom 10 like many say.
Lol xiaoyu becomes the best character when she's in heat mode, like she literally has the best 50/50 in the game with hyp stance in heat, feng and king cant do that
@@queencard97 okay you are talking only about her strength. what about the fact that she is super linear? she have bad frames beside heat and her neutral is not great. tournaments showed us how ling players got cooked because of that. I'm not saying that she is weak, she is strong but few characters are just better
Update: Heihachi looks strong. Not sure why he’s a stance character now, but he has insane plus frames and the ability to remove chip. He has every mechanic (guard break, chip removal, healing, install, etc.), so his balancing will certainly be interesting! Intro: 00:00:00 Hey!-Hachi Predictions: 00:00:21 Explaining Tiers: 00:01:16 Steve 00:02:34 Drag 00:04:30 Jun 00:05:28 Nina 00:07:42 Eddy 00:09:25 Lidia 00:10:16 Xiaoyu 00:11:32 Hwoarang 00:12:24 Claudio 00:13:28 Leroy 00:14:23 Jack-8 00:15:18 The Mishimas 00:16:50 Bryan 00:26:38 Queen Lili 00:28:14 Oscar 00:32:51 Shaheen 00:34:24 Alisa 00:36:22 King 00:37:55 Bears 00:38:37 Victor 00:39:55 Azucena 00:41:56 Leo 00:43:06 Yoshimitsu 00:45:42 Feng 00:47:20 Zafina 00:48:06 Paul 00:50:05 Raven 00:50:46 Law 00:51:56 TOP 10: 00:53:20 Final Tier List: 00:57:00 Outro: 00:57:30
on Leo you normally wana use the install at the wall somtimes don't even finish the string so you can go into a low or another stance mix up I would put Leo above Lidia because once you understand her mix up she's just garbage lol 😂
As a zafina main who has a pretty solid of understanding of the character and the game in general I’ll say she’s pretty low tier because her design and gameplan are at odds with t8’s core design. Zafina is a defensive character who wants to opponent to mash into her so she can take full advantage of her movement and evasion to make them whiff. like do a poke and back dash or side step and whiff punish. The problem is that in this game the last thing you want to do is let your opponent mash and start their offense on you because of how snowballs this game is. Like as zafina I’m actively losing if I let a character like draganov, Jin, Nina, feng, king etc. get their offense started, I can’t afford to just block and look for a window to try to side step and whiff punish against a lot of these characters I’m losing to much grey health and guessing 50/50’s. I HAVE to retaliate or else I’m going to lose every time. Especially since zafina lacks panic moves besides her reversal which is still inherently a risk as it does a lot of self damage. So in this game zafina is forced to press a lot more and try to get my offense started and be aggressive, the problem is even if I get a poke like a jab or df1 to land and I’m plus zafina offense isn’t that good. Most of her plus on block moves that go into on her stance mixups are often fake. For example her while running 1+2 which goes into her tarantula stance which is plus +8 on block. It’s a good move but the problem is the stance, the game incentivizes you to do df1 afterwards but it’s a fake pressure move outside of heat as you can jab and even df1 interrupt it. Because when she does the move her hurt box immediately goes back to standing before the actual moves comes out so you can ignore the plus frames and interrupt it. So now the zaf is forced to delay it which is a risk since she can’t block in that stance, or try to do 3 which is punishable on block or her lows which are both slow and launch punishable. And in general you can interrupt a lot of her stance pressure with a jab, or crouch jab. Which is why if you watch tournament players use zafina they rarely go into stance cuz they aren’t that good. So in general the opponent can just side step left and ignore majority of zafina’s “pressure” and the stuff you can’t step you can interrupt. Like the only time zafina shines if is the opponent is mashing recklessly into her and she can use her evasiveness to take advantage of her good whiff punish. So rn her gameplan if the opponent knows the matchup is riddled down to poking and hoping her opponent mashes and whiffs. And even then she’s not even the best at that niche! If you wanna play a movement and whiff punish based character you have Lilli, Alisa, feng who do that better then her AND have overall better buttons than her. So yea rn outside of knowledge checks (which is a weakness of the opponent not a strength of the character) she’s limited in what she can do in this game because the format doesn’t agree with her play style much.
100% agree, thank you for providing your insight. I watched a lot of Zafina gameplay through watching FrameWhisperer pick her up. They gave her WR 1+2 into df1 to give her more offensive pressure, but it can be ignored by things like safe power crushes, Lili divine step, fast mids etc. I actually think Zaf's heat engagers are pretty good, but she has no way of capitalizing on that because she's not a pressure character. Again, her core design not meshing with the game system. Ultimately, she suffers from the issue that all of the defensive characters do. The only way I'd think to improve her is to increase her back dash so she can do the whiff punishment she's meant for (it would also make her different than Alisa and Lili for how they use their movement to get out of situations). ATM she just comes across as a very identity-confused character, hopefully they fix her so you and other zaf mains have your character back
@@Adieu_tk yes I learned a lot from frame whisperer as well. Also I don’t understand why they nerfed zafina’s movement coining into t8 but left lilli and Alisa untouched. Imo the way they should change zafina is to first give her B1+2 in neutral. It’s currently locked behind scarecrow stance which makes no sense to me. It would help her neutral and keep out game immensely as it’s a quick super evasive low poke. It’s a move you can’t spam since it’s launch punishable to and I’ll be fine if they make it like -3 or 4 on hit too, as it’s supposed to be a defensive move. Secondly she should more moves like her f1+2. It’s a move that emphasizes her gameplan perfectly. It’s a safe heat engager at -9 and on block it pushes the opponent back in a way that if the opponent tries to mash and take their turn all zafina has to do is do a single back dash and df2 whiff punish them. That move is how zafina is supposed to play, manipulating frame data to where the opponent is hesitant to attack her due to the push back and her movement. Other moves i think should behave like this on block are ff4, db4 (specifically on hit) db2, scarecrow 2,1 (they should increase the push back on block.) This would promote her whiff punish play style and make it easier to initiate. Lastly give her back some of her stance moves from t7 which gives her some more options. I wouldn’t even mind some “compensation” nerfs to moves like to her wr1+2 plus frames on block and her tarantula df1. But that’s the only moves I think have a good case for them getting nerfed. Anything else is just being petty🤣
@@luv_you4984ye the back dash nerf is uncalled for, however her back dash is still above average (it should be better tho because drag has a better back dash) She is not supposed to play defensive anymore sadly, it’s about abusing her plus frames and mixups from stances The whole back dash and poke unfortunately can never work in tekken 8, that’s tekken 7 playstyles even though I think that was better 🥲
Raven and Yoshi have the same issue, they take forever to learn how to play them, but once you do you can murder the courtroom and get away with it. Yoshi is just slightly easier and more entertaining to watch.
I'm a yoshi main so I'm not sure how much this applies to Raven, but sometimes I come across other yoshis in blue that are just flowcharting with bread and butter moves. Yoshi only gets hard to play if you wanna make it to high levels, but if your goal is blue rank you can just do the easiest flowcharts and get away with it bc people at that level have no idea how to counter him lol. It's pretty easy to tell a good yoshi and a bad yoshi apart for me, like I can see very fast if they actually learned the whole character or if they're just mashing.
Unpopular opinion i think Viktor is pretty Mid almost all of his 50/50 and frame traps are Not real and reactable and the ways to get into ur stance are almost all awful for example his WR u can sidestep really easy and if it Hits ur in a awful Position for Viktor and even on Block ur just +2 or +4 if u go into stance and that is a great risk Because the only Option really is 1 or u could get blown up u take alot of risk for a pretty shitty frame trap it's kinda the opposite of other characters were He is awful on paper but somehow just works online
@fatalishuntinghorn yep! I actually played some Victor when the game came out just to try him. I really appreciate his fundamental tools like his df2, ff2, hopkick, f4 1/2 for whiff punish, wr 2 etc. and tools to help his opponent honest like a fast homing mid, parries, and quick mid checks. (There is an issue with people getting clipped by WR2, which is why it gets complained abt. But I that's a general T8 issue because certain moves track waaay too much) He still has a lot of cheese though. Most notably, u1+2 (most ppl have figured out how to counter it), and his mix-up vortex. Like you said it isn't real but the animation of it and the online environment really fucks with people's ability to deal with it. It's also a situation you specifically have to lab if you don't play vic (which ppl don't want to do). He is good cause he has fundamental tools to help him and cheese to surprise people who aren't ready. Maybe that's why we saw him a lot in early pro tekken tournaments, and his usage rate has decreased over time. I'd love to see him more focused on those fundy tools he has, but it seems like the balance team would prefer him to be more "TEKKEN 8" (which is ultimately just preference).
@@_dbangari_ thats my point they are problem anywhere and this guy is placing them low like je never encountered them i rank. Tier list high rank means charachter is problem for people and/or has all tools: good combo, dmg, safe string, evasive, tracking. Yoshi Alisa Jin King Dragunv all have this plus good while running, lows, heats, rage, plis frames, throw game..i mean compared to reina and kazuya they are godlike
@@MilosJsWizard but I do agree with you for the most part except king his normal attacks are mostly only good on counter hit. he does have ambiguous grabs tho which is very annoying but he doesn’t have a traditional mixup so I think it’s fine
BAMCO really made my main *SHAHEEN* stronger in T8 😍, he was a very average character in T7, but in this game he is *Perfection* 😙👌
The wall game and combo damage could use some help, but its a very good kit overall.
Id personally swap yoshi with shaheen
I'm a *SHAHEEN* main and i think Yoshimitsu is stronger than heen 😅
Jin main, swap Shaheen wth Yoshi rn
Completely understand that I had them swapped in my original tier list (shaheen may have been a bit lower). Honestly the space between Shaheen to Yoshi is not they large, they're mostly on the same level. The reason I have Shaheen higher in this tierlist is because he has more general use tools. Yoshi lacks some good generic tools like decent lows, and he has to assume a lot of risk to do some of his more fucked up, damaging set ups. Shaheen has quite a bit of lows (some that shift into stance), Heen's sidestep is better, and he has better generics. For example, Heen's hopkick crushes the same way yoshi's does, Shaheen has a safe armor heat engager, Shaheen has a guard break he can do out of the heat engager animation. I think Yoshi is harder to fight online for obvious reasons, but in most other settings Shaheen is a more stable character (esp in long form sets).
Id personally swap Shaheen with Yoshi or Law. Then i'd move Jun up a few, but that's just my view. This is a sensible tier list
I'm a shaheen main and i think YOSHI is stronger than both heen & law.
Law & Shaheen are on the same level of strength imo
I can't get it how is lee so low? Defensive character that struggles? Mf has range 3 mixup, i14 mid running move that's plus, safe ff3 that's just as fast as jin ff2, b33 to open someone up, lows overall are awesome and very safe. His df1 you can't step into a button, have to do a full ssl, and that's while his m4, df2,df4 fully track to that side. I can't see how this character is not top 15 at least
i agree with you lee is very strong, only when you know how to punish well but yeah, hes really really good and underrated
What you said about Steve was 100% correct. As a Steve main
Adiue : “Azucena has shitty punishment” . . . She has the highest damage 10f punish in the game with a wall splat added onto it with solid 13f and 15f. Cmon man
Azucena doesnt have a 13 frame punisher
This is the most agreeable tier list I've come across so far, but I would;
put Paul in A tier
*maybe* put Asuka in A+ tier (most downplayed character imo)
put Jack and Leo in C tier and Hwoarang in A tier
and Eddy in B tier.
No, it's so biased.
@@jkdman2007 So am I and so are you.
Asuka if anything is usually overrated rather than downplayed. Though if you don't know matchup she can give you trouble.
With that said sure, she is now much stronger than she was at beginning. But other characters happen to be stronger. So A is more than fair to her placement.
@@ragnarok7452 She isn't too bad to deal with when played as a defensive, keepout focused character like she was in T7, but she's more than capable of being an offensive 50/50 character in this game. When you play her the "correct" way T8 wants you to play, she's very powerful. KingReyJr's Asuka is a great example of that.
I'm stuck between Bushin and Tekken King with Lars and it definitely lines up exactly with what you described. Nothing is real outside of DEN 3. You have to play extra slow and lame just to get people to respect anything. Heat Smash is so slow I'd rather they revert the damage and make it 16f. Damage is pretty mid and combo lacks any strong tailspin effects. Lacks threatening lows. 1,1,1 not wall splatting combined with a weak heat engager follow up is rough when compared to other characters that have similar strings that can accomplish both. Still like to play him but there's a lot of moments where I'm pretty sure this character hardly got a second glance by the balancing team. It's like they only want me to spam DEN 3 and hope for the best since every other tracking option got nerfed hard from T7 or I just get sidestepped.
I like how some of the "Merely viable" characters I've seen make players rage quit...at least all of the top 5 I've played a significant amount of with chainsaw woman leading the squad except for Shaheen.
I gotta cover Shaheen.
You described Leo perfectly. A kinda OK/good tool for everything, but nothing great (with some exceptions like ws 11f punish). So in the end it's like... Why play Leo, when you can play Jin/Feng 😅
Swap Shaheen with Yoshi. Lee is too low, should be arround paul~bryan. Hard agree on the rest of the list. And finally someone places Asuka and Lidia in mid tier. They are not bottom 10 like many say.
i would put ling on 10th spot... there is absolutely no way that ling is stronger than feng or king.... law is debatable tho
Lol xiaoyu becomes the best character when she's in heat mode, like she literally has the best 50/50 in the game with hyp stance in heat, feng and king cant do that
@@queencard97 okay you are talking only about her strength. what about the fact that she is super linear? she have bad frames beside heat and her neutral is not great. tournaments showed us how ling players got cooked because of that. I'm not saying that she is weak, she is strong but few characters are just better
Update: Heihachi looks strong. Not sure why he’s a stance character now, but he has insane plus frames and the ability to remove chip. He has every mechanic (guard break, chip removal, healing, install, etc.), so his balancing will certainly be interesting!
Intro: 00:00:00
Hey!-Hachi Predictions: 00:00:21
Explaining Tiers: 00:01:16
Steve 00:02:34
Drag 00:04:30
Jun 00:05:28
Nina 00:07:42
Eddy 00:09:25
Lidia 00:10:16
Xiaoyu 00:11:32
Hwoarang 00:12:24
Claudio 00:13:28
Leroy 00:14:23
Jack-8 00:15:18
The Mishimas 00:16:50
Bryan 00:26:38
Queen Lili 00:28:14
Oscar 00:32:51
Shaheen 00:34:24
Alisa 00:36:22
King 00:37:55
Bears 00:38:37
Victor 00:39:55
Azucena 00:41:56
Leo 00:43:06
Yoshimitsu 00:45:42
Feng 00:47:20
Zafina 00:48:06
Paul 00:50:05
Raven 00:50:46
Law 00:51:56
TOP 10: 00:53:20
Final Tier List: 00:57:00
Outro: 00:57:30
THE SOUL CALIBUR MUSIC IN THE BACK 😭 just got viola and Elysium flashbacks
what’s the song lol ??
Starting song is Crazy by Le sserafim
on Leo you normally wana use the install at the wall somtimes don't even finish the string so you can go into a low or another stance mix up I would put Leo above Lidia because once you understand her mix up she's just garbage lol 😂
As a zafina main who has a pretty solid of understanding of the character and the game in general I’ll say she’s pretty low tier because her design and gameplan are at odds with t8’s core design. Zafina is a defensive character who wants to opponent to mash into her so she can take full advantage of her movement and evasion to make them whiff. like do a poke and back dash or side step and whiff punish. The problem is that in this game the last thing you want to do is let your opponent mash and start their offense on you because of how snowballs this game is. Like as zafina I’m actively losing if I let a character like draganov, Jin, Nina, feng, king etc. get their offense started, I can’t afford to just block and look for a window to try to side step and whiff punish against a lot of these characters I’m losing to much grey health and guessing 50/50’s. I HAVE to retaliate or else I’m going to lose every time. Especially since zafina lacks panic moves besides her reversal which is still inherently a risk as it does a lot of self damage. So in this game zafina is forced to press a lot more and try to get my offense started and be aggressive, the problem is even if I get a poke like a jab or df1 to land and I’m plus zafina offense isn’t that good. Most of her plus on block moves that go into on her stance mixups are often fake.
For example her while running 1+2 which goes into her tarantula stance which is plus +8 on block. It’s a good move but the problem is the stance, the game incentivizes you to do df1 afterwards but it’s a fake pressure move outside of heat as you can jab and even df1 interrupt it. Because when she does the move her hurt box immediately goes back to standing before the actual moves comes out so you can ignore the plus frames and interrupt it. So now the zaf is forced to delay it which is a risk since she can’t block in that stance, or try to do 3 which is punishable on block or her lows which are both slow and launch punishable. And in general you can interrupt a lot of her stance pressure with a jab, or crouch jab. Which is why if you watch tournament players use zafina they rarely go into stance cuz they aren’t that good.
So in general the opponent can just side step left and ignore majority of zafina’s “pressure” and the stuff you can’t step you can interrupt. Like the only time zafina shines if is the opponent is mashing recklessly into her and she can use her evasiveness to take advantage of her good whiff punish. So rn her gameplan if the opponent knows the matchup is riddled down to poking and hoping her opponent mashes and whiffs. And even then she’s not even the best at that niche! If you wanna play a movement and whiff punish based character you have Lilli, Alisa, feng who do that better then her AND have overall better buttons than her. So yea rn outside of knowledge checks (which is a weakness of the opponent not a strength of the character) she’s limited in what she can do in this game because the format doesn’t agree with her play style much.
100% agree, thank you for providing your insight. I watched a lot of Zafina gameplay through watching FrameWhisperer pick her up.
They gave her WR 1+2 into df1 to give her more offensive pressure, but it can be ignored by things like safe power crushes, Lili divine step, fast mids etc. I actually think Zaf's heat engagers are pretty good, but she has no way of capitalizing on that because she's not a pressure character. Again, her core design not meshing with the game system. Ultimately, she suffers from the issue that all of the defensive characters do.
The only way I'd think to improve her is to increase her back dash so she can do the whiff punishment she's meant for (it would also make her different than Alisa and Lili for how they use their movement to get out of situations). ATM she just comes across as a very identity-confused character, hopefully they fix her so you and other zaf mains have your character back
@@Adieu_tk yes I learned a lot from frame whisperer as well. Also I don’t understand why they nerfed zafina’s movement coining into t8 but left lilli and Alisa untouched. Imo the way they should change zafina is to first give her B1+2 in neutral. It’s currently locked behind scarecrow stance which makes no sense to me. It would help her neutral and keep out game immensely as it’s a quick super evasive low poke. It’s a move you can’t spam since it’s launch punishable to and I’ll be fine if they make it like -3 or 4 on hit too, as it’s supposed to be a defensive move.
Secondly she should more moves like her f1+2. It’s a move that emphasizes her gameplan perfectly. It’s a safe heat engager at -9 and on block it pushes the opponent back in a way that if the opponent tries to mash and take their turn all zafina has to do is do a single back dash and df2 whiff punish them. That move is how zafina is supposed to play, manipulating frame data to where the opponent is hesitant to attack her due to the push back and her movement. Other moves i think should behave like this on block are ff4, db4 (specifically on hit) db2, scarecrow 2,1 (they should increase the push back on block.) This would promote her whiff punish play style and make it easier to initiate. Lastly give her back some of her stance moves from t7 which gives her some more options.
I wouldn’t even mind some “compensation” nerfs to moves like to her wr1+2 plus frames on block and her tarantula df1. But that’s the only moves I think have a good case for them getting nerfed. Anything else is just being petty🤣
tldr: muh main weak
@@luv_you4984ye the back dash nerf is uncalled for, however her back dash is still above average (it should be better tho because drag has a better back dash)
She is not supposed to play defensive anymore sadly, it’s about abusing her plus frames and mixups from stances
The whole back dash and poke unfortunately can never work in tekken 8, that’s tekken 7 playstyles even though I think that was better 🥲
Downplaying your main, surprise surprise.
I think this might be the best tier list I have seen. But I would put Bryan one tier up
Bring jack to cracked & Paul to Dogwater
So youre telling me jin and shaheen is stronger than yoshi? No way in hell
Saying lee is an insect like character kinda gets to me as a lee player 😅 But i get you
Off topic but ur music taste is soooo good! Le sserafim, music from DOA, AND Machine girl?!! Definitely a connoisseur in good music ❤
Thank you!!! I take the copyright claim for people like you ❤❤❤
Raven and Yoshi have the same issue, they take forever to learn how to play them, but once you do you can murder the courtroom and get away with it.
Yoshi is just slightly easier and more entertaining to watch.
I'm a yoshi main so I'm not sure how much this applies to Raven, but sometimes I come across other yoshis in blue that are just flowcharting with bread and butter moves. Yoshi only gets hard to play if you wanna make it to high levels, but if your goal is blue rank you can just do the easiest flowcharts and get away with it bc people at that level have no idea how to counter him lol.
It's pretty easy to tell a good yoshi and a bad yoshi apart for me, like I can see very fast if they actually learned the whole character or if they're just mashing.
@@sleepenjoyer-on2dr Same. I'm a Yoshi main.
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the bears will be buffed and you will all suffer
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Unpopular opinion i think Viktor is pretty Mid almost all of his 50/50 and frame traps are Not real and reactable and the ways to get into ur stance are almost all awful for example his WR u can sidestep really easy and if it Hits ur in a awful Position for Viktor and even on Block ur just +2 or +4 if u go into stance and that is a great risk Because the only Option really is 1 or u could get blown up u take alot of risk for a pretty shitty frame trap it's kinda the opposite of other characters were He is awful on paper but somehow just works online
@fatalishuntinghorn yep! I actually played some Victor when the game came out just to try him. I really appreciate his fundamental tools like his df2, ff2, hopkick, f4 1/2 for whiff punish, wr 2 etc. and tools to help his opponent honest like a fast homing mid, parries, and quick mid checks. (There is an issue with people getting clipped by WR2, which is why it gets complained abt. But I that's a general T8 issue because certain moves track waaay too much)
He still has a lot of cheese though. Most notably, u1+2 (most ppl have figured out how to counter it), and his mix-up vortex. Like you said it isn't real but the animation of it and the online environment really fucks with people's ability to deal with it. It's also a situation you specifically have to lab if you don't play vic (which ppl don't want to do). He is good cause he has fundamental tools to help him and cheese to surprise people who aren't ready. Maybe that's why we saw him a lot in early pro tekken tournaments, and his usage rate has decreased over time.
I'd love to see him more focused on those fundy tools he has, but it seems like the balance team would prefer him to be more "TEKKEN 8" (which is ultimately just preference).
Commenting for the Algorithm 😼👍
@Cam7. thank you cam 🙏🙏
😂
Buff Lee
why he's fine
Yoshi , Alisa and KIng are D what are you bellow Garyu? :D
Yoshi and alisa can be a problem for me as well in raijin
@@_dbangari_ thats my point they are problem anywhere and this guy is placing them low like je never encountered them i rank. Tier list high rank means charachter is problem for people and/or has all tools: good combo, dmg, safe string, evasive, tracking. Yoshi Alisa Jin King Dragunv all have this plus good while running, lows, heats, rage, plis frames, throw game..i mean compared to reina and kazuya they are godlike
@@MilosJsWizard did you watch the whole video? He places most of those characters in A+ or top 5
@@MilosJsWizard but I do agree with you for the most part except king his normal attacks are mostly only good on counter hit. he does have ambiguous grabs tho which is very annoying but he doesn’t have a traditional mixup so I think it’s fine