Also to clarify because some people are cherry-picking. I did not say Little Mix *is* better or even as iconic as TLC, DC, or SG. I simply said they (arguably) operated as an equilibrium better than them. Meaning all of the girls got their moments to shine. Beyonce is known as the “Beyonce” of the group. TLC’s relationship became strained during Fanmail which led to Lisa barely being on the album. (Also Tboz is the lead singer) . Victoria didn’t have many solo parts in SG. Despite, the 2 latter groups’ chemistry. Little Mix didn’t really have this kind of set up. They all eventually got their moments to shine. They were a bit more committed to the “sisterhood” brand …until they weren’t.
I do too believe little mix were better than the other girl groups, because of the same reasons, I don’t think they as individuals could ever be better than the other girlgroups members individually, obvs beyoncé, but comparing them as groups little mix worked so well together.
We’d definitely have to disagree about the last bit of your statement. The women are very much still committed to one another even during their hiatus. Going as far as to release a joint statement informing the media and fans that they’ve worked together to ensure not to release music at the same time. Stating, “We’re rooting for each other, not competing against each other.” Losing a member who very clearly showed less than kind intentions doesn’t render that null and void. In addition statistical speaking Little Mix is the third best selling girl group of all time, all without expanding into the US market (due to Label disputes). So they are in fact, in the same rankings as the other girl groups mentioned.
@@miamckenzie6861 I agree with your point but I’m specifically talking about the original lineup in this context. Little Mix as a trio continued to uplift their sisterhood values of course.
Jesy had potential, however her song boyz, the blackfishing scandal, and the Jingle Bell Ball performance really ruined her debut and probably her solo career. I also think Nicki Minaj dragging the other members of Little Mix really didn't help in her favor. Edit: I also want to point out something that I missed, and I noticed this with some artists like Normani. And that problem is consistency. Jesy hasn't released any new solo material or been featured in anyone else's work since her single Boyz. I fear that if she doesn't release any new music soon, there might be a chance she'll never come-back from this setback.
thank you! jesy has had plenty of her issues but ‘toxic’ mixers keep on with this narrative that she! has said a lot of nasty stuff about the girls. fact is that she has never
Very much did. Nicki Minaj did wayyy too much jesy most definitely wouldn’t have “defended” her like that. Nicki did all that just for the song to flop on the charts and no cares for the songs
Honestly I think Leigh Anne was the odd one out, always sidelined and given the least material to sing and had the least love from the fans on social. Jesy had the biggest social following next to Perrie. Yes the PRESS was cruel to her, but the fandom loved her and so did the other band members.
I don't feel like she was sidelined by the group it was the fans. Her documentary was really insightful her saying she didn't realize how to tell the group she felt that way. They all seemed supportive except Jesy. It wasn't just with Leigh Anne, anytime someone said how they felt she'd go 'Oh but you're beautiful/skinny!' It's like that should erase they're feelings and only she could have have problems.
jesy suffered from fat shaming. she didn't fit into the beauty standards as much as pez and jade, she also didn't have that confident persona. she was easy to get to and the media knew that. leigh was pushed aside for being the only black member. both girls suffered (they all did in different ways) but leigh 100% is the one who had to fight for everything. jesy's hate is glorified because she's still a pretty white girl at the end of the day, people are far more willing to listen to her than to leigh.
Also, to the OG commenter, Jesy didn't have the second biggest social following. It goes like this in terms of personality: 1. Perrie 2. Jade 3. Jesy 4. Leigh-Anne But with the latter 3, they only have a gab of a couple 100K between each one, whilst Perrie has millions more. Also, I'm sorry but Jesy had WAY less lines than the other members. Watch line distribution videos. The only songs she had the most lines on (that I can think of) are Good Enough, These Four Walls, and Bounce Back.
@@tjsquibbofficial In early 2021, so before the Boyz mess, she was 2nd after Perrie with a huge gap obviously, but before Jade and Things have shifted afterwards.
hear me out, I honestly think she was not mentally ready for a solo career, she got bullied for years cause of her looks and she thought that going for that insta baddie diva image would help her, wrong!!! she wanted to show the public that she's capable of something she's not, it doesn't feel genuine, like her mom said in her documentary; "I want the real jest back" and as a mixer since 2013 I get what her mom meant, this current Jesy doesn't even feel like a human, it feels like a character she built, she wants to sell a diva wannabe look that just won't work! she said "I can now do the things I wanna do and create the type of music that I really like" but the problem is, it seems like she doesn't even now who she is, she should have waited at least to year, delete her social media and focus on her mental health before trying to be a solo artist.
@@suoutubez19 exactly but she even know that and that persona is not even working or giving with her fans and outsiders so I think it’s past a parasocial relationship. She in general is struggle to find a correct way present herself.
The fact that she said that Leigh Anne ( a black woman who was left out multiple times because of the color of her skin) had it easier than her. The fact that she’s even comparing their struggles is a red flag, she said that they were her “sisters” only for her to be contradictory and act like they were the problem this entire time.
@@viciousv9671 ever heard of double standards? Everything black women have is good as long as it's not on a black woman. If it's on a black woman it's ghetto, on a woman of another race it's "trendy". Leigh recieved a lot of racism while Jesy and Jade in some instances where they had the same skin tone where never targeted with hate for it.
@@ms.ferretmanthing2404 and when it is the same _”race”_ with different skin tones there tends to be colourism at play Then add racial androgyny for those that can pass as non-______ or flip it in regards to racial phishing
She just strikes me as a very insecure person, even more so now, which makes me sad. It seems like under all this newfound "confidence" it's the same underlying issues. I feel bad that the media was so cruel to her.
instead jesy turned to perpetrating the “pressure” she complained about onto another she could had felt picked on she found a benefit from playing into victimhood while acting in slight against… another
@@danielacordero3376 it’s about notoriety because Nicki herself does the same where she would dish it but cry foul when she interprets something as an insult whether it’s about her being blæck, a woman, or large reared -enhanced So their innocent Jesy “bully” LeighAnn take was rather rich considering the dynamics
she seems like such a hypocrite. she is so obsessed with outward attractiveness that I think it’s her top priority, and that’s why she was blind to the friendship from the other three because she would not let it go that she was not the prettiest. She’s not even an unattractive woman even back in 2011 sure she’s a bit “plain looking” whatever tf that means but she’s got some pretty eyes and a cute smile, had she collaborated with some good photographers she could’ve had some fantastically beautiful magazine covers and photoshoots but I think because she and LM were a part of syco they were reallyyyyy constricted to that teen pop brand which is why their music has always been kind of basic. but i digress. it seems she has the Amanda Bynes syndrome where her insecurity and obsession with physical attractiveness has sort of taken over and made her the kind of person who would prioritize her wanting to feel pretty versus a legit sisterhood of women who probably go through very similar situations and issues, all while being in the limelight. but Jesy threw it all away. she just wanted to be the pretties girl in the room and she wanted the FANS and the internet people to say that. When you look at the timeline, the sweet melody music video which was fall 2020 (I don’t remember the exact month) and Jesy’s departure from the group, after Leigh Anne who’s revealed she brought up the blackfishing issue to Jessie around that time. It’s clear to me jessy wanted her own image that was based upon superficiality. with the same brand that Nicki Minaj, the Kardashians, and city girls use, which isn’t inherently bad but it gets really twisted when that lifestyle/attitude starts to harm others. (Ie nicki Minaj bizarre and incessant alignment with pedophiles, the Kardashians consistently stepping on other creators, almost always black wonen, and taking credit for / stealing achievements and designs and styles started by black women)
@@stxrstrxckmxteo515 bleached empowerment / white feminism - lacking intersectionality ❔ no developments made just phishers actual ethnicity not is welcomed
The fact that Jesy says no one supported or cared about her is crazy. The last few years when her mental health was bad, her band mates more often times Leigh Anne of all people took over her parts. She even admitted in several interviews to being jealous of them at times. No one is perfect I'm sure in a group there are times when people get on your nerves but she also talked about her ideas and songs getting dubbed but each member said as a group each one of them experienced that. Let's also talk about the fact that in both their sides of the story they all agreed they tried to get her to stay and went to therapy to try to work things out. I find it hard to believe they didn't care about her at all.
@@보모 no. she said she just couldn't cope with being directly compared to the other girls while in that group, by herself and others. the media had made this a toxic environment for her and she couldn't get back to how it used to feel or should. her mental health had detoriated too much. she needed to create a new space, so she left and went solo. sure, she didn't do it in the most respectful way to the girls (apparently the girls weren't informed of her departure) but i understand the desperation and resentment. she's only human. what she's wrong for is her ca and racism. her constant poking at the girls that strained the relationship even further, both while she was in the group and out. i just wouldn't say its fair to mock her mental health and decision to go solo, i think she was more or less pretty honest about that. boyz also tied in to that story, she's still very insecure and seeking out validation. a smart decision would be for her to take a step back and listen to critiscism, she's not ready yet but she still has potential. basically her and the other 3 are just in very different positions in life and no longer fit as a 4. sad ending but i hope that one day they can reconnect.
That rubbed me the wrong way when I first heard it too. But then I thought about it and I think she meant the label and management instead of the members..? I’m not sure tho. Her members were always there for her and it would be sick to pretend that they never were.
@@hotsexyangel yess that's what i kind of got out of it as well. especially when she talked about her new "team". i think she might have meant the label and her managers who most likely call the shots rather than the girls. but honestly, idk. like some groups seem like they're close but in truth aren't, and that might or might not be true here, so yeah.
@@dyingforeddiemunson Tbf, I feel like since at least 2019, Leigh-Anne seemed very distant emotionally from Jesy. In Odd One Out, when Perrie & Jade were interviewed, they were in tears/trying not to care whilst LA was just relaxing on the beach, and it honestly sounded like she was scripted. The vibe was just off.
@@lade7880 On Boyz day release Leigh-Anne liked and posted some shady stuff, some of her friends and family (her sister) did the same and days later she dmed an influencer. That influencer asked his fans if he should dance to Boyz and Leigh-Anne answered his insta story telling him to do a video talking bad about Jesy instead and all this happened before that live with Nicki so Jesy being silent when Nicki mentioned Leigh-Anne's double standards (L has friends, IN'A'SEASHELL models who tan even darker than Jesy) doesn't seem wrong to me because i wouldn't open my mouth either if my "friend" does this behind my back
I think this might be a cute song for a 20 year old singer but woman in her 30s singing about bad boys and “my mama won’t like you” is kinda cringe to me 🤷♀️
Jesy has a good voice, one of my favorites but her black-fishing scandal, her song boyz, and then everything that Nicki Minaj did ruined her future. There was drama in the group because She said no one told her about black-fishing and I think Leigh-Anne's sister called her out for that lie. It was bad. Leigh-Anne went through hate because of her skin color, while the girls were there for Jesys documentary, Jesy did't show support for her at all. I honestly don't know about her future but whatever happens happens I guess.
@Mr RED all of little mix members have good voices, no matter what. You may not like jesy and I don’t but I won’t sit here and say she doesn’t have any talent cause that would be lie.
@@howardanderson7735 she can sing and I get you guys don’t like her but to say she can’t sing is a lie. Each voice in little mix is what made little mix’s songs special and unique to them. To the ballads and to the fast pace songs, their voices were good. You can hate her all you want but don’t act like she can’t sing when she can.
Jesy didn't lie, she said that Leigh talked to her about it once in a text, and Nikki cut her off in the live and didn't finish. Also, how can you take someone seriously when she's a black girls but is surrounded by white woman only who tan darker than Jesy and all the models of her business tan darker? but her only issue is with Jesy who used to tan since she joined little mix because it's something normal in the UK, yet leigh didn't have an issue with it until she left the group
The live was extremely unnecessary and really disrespectful it really made me see jesy differently after how much she struggled with bullying she had no problem sitting on live letting Nicki attack Leigh like it’s nothing is just really fucked up especially since Leigh had just given birth to twins around the time
@@BeautifulZoya right and nobody is talking about how sge tried to sabotage the collab with texting other blogs which she got exposed with a screen recording but everybody is quiet about that too
@@BeautifulZoya Called out for what leigh came to jesy calmly to educate her long before she even left Little mix she didn’t attack her or disrespect her or try to embarrass her like jesy did
@@BeautifulZoya It’s not accusation if half of LM fan base didn’t know jesy was white she obviously blackfished at least leigh came to her in private trying to educate her
@@sunflowerbabe6565 Leigh talked to Jesy when they were filming Sweet Melody. Fans have been talking about Jesy black fishing long before hand and some were blocked in the process. If Leigh cared, she would’ve said it years ago, not when the group was six albums into their career.
the explanation she gave for leaving the group basically said that she wanted time away from the spotlight, not that she wanted to be a solo artist. so when all of a sudden she released solo music she lost all the fans she had from little mix bc she had lied to them and betrayed the group in their eyes. and that was before all the scandals
Exactly. Like she said that and made everyone belive it. Now people are once again coming for Leigh-Anne because she was in the studio not so long ago. The big difference here is, Little Mix takes the break so they can try out solo music, Jesy said "I need some time out of the spotlight" and directly teased solo music. Like
I think it's interesting when you compared Jesy's solo outing compared to someone like Camila or Zayn in terms of the music. Zayn leaned more into R&B with pillowtalk and Camila had more of a Latin Pop sound with Havana (I know that's not her debut single but I'm too lazy to look it up right now). Compared those to Boys by Jesy it seems...generic in comparison. Like it sounds like something you would hear if a youtuber needed a royalty free pop song for a video.
That’s a good point, they all had distinct sounds, but Jesy didnt. Also she was hyping it like it was gonna be something super different to anything LM has done before and it really wasn’t.
To me Boyz was a big mistake as an opening single, because Jesy had already been getting backlash from blackfishing and this song sort of contributed to those allegationsand made them worse. Boyz has so many lyrics that sound like fetishizing of black men, and the video is mostly fine but a bit on the pushing it side with regards to cultural appropriation and mixed with her own blackfishing it was going to be a disaster. After all of that, letting Nicki drag her former band mate, Leigh-Anne who had just released her own documentary about experiencing racism in the industry, just made the whole thing spiral. In my opinion, even without acknowledging the blackfishing stuff a different debut single would have been much better for her career
The one right thing she did was get an icon like Nicki for her solo debut, however it didn’t help her at all, and hurt Nicki’s image even more based on that IG live they had.
Her looking racially ambiguous and ignoring fan's concerns was and is the biggest issue for me. We don't know for sure what happend between her and little mix, but I remember her liking Perries pregnancy post, but not Leigh's. I'm sure they fell out. Nicki should've never inserted herself into this, because she made everything worse. At least Jesy only said nice things about her time in little mix. I wish you included the fact that Leigh, Perrie and Jade all unfollowed her right when Boyz dropped and that they made a song about cutting Jesy off. I feel like all involved parties were quite shady, and I wish Little Mix's legacy didnt end like this
@@dwuke2010 where was she shady? she wasn't the one who made a whole song about cutting off, or unfollowed them on the day of their debut. she said many nice things about the girls as can be seen here: ua-cam.com/video/3Y_5Lj0gbRo/v-deo.html yes, we should hold jesy accountable for her ignorance regarding her racial ambiguity, but she never said or did anything shady towards little mix
She tried to Camilla her way to a solo career basically. When you leave groups it’s ALWAYS better to have the backing of them and the fanbase cause what are you alienating part of your audience for? Camilla always had her fans/stand but the racism scandal cut the rest of the potential she had. Also she couldn’t use sympathy anymore after she sat there and let Nicki Minaj read her former bandmates on Live. Lol I realized as I was typing this Camilla is racist and Jesy is a black fisher how ironic 😂😂😂 moral of the story is first impressions are everything
What Camilla said is wrong and NOT acceptable but she was literal child, let people grow, its sad to cancel people who did something wrong when they were like 15
What's ironic is that you're a clown babe Saying shit about something someone did like a decade ago?? As a black person myself i know I've said some offensive sht in the past but foes that define who i am today? No.
@@luka7678 She could have apologized and adressed the topic in a way that shows that she no longer holds those views and grew from her mistakes instead of just ignoring it and acting like it never happened just to avoid having to take responsibility. Especially in our current socio-political climate her ignoring her racism from back in the day comes off as if she just doesn’t care. THAT‘s what‘s not sitting right with people. And rightfully so.
@@luka7678 oh she did? lmaoooo I think I got her confused with Hailey Bieber 💀 well then my comment goes for Hailey. Good for Camila if she genuinely regrets the things she said in the past and educated herself in order to be a good role model for her fans 🙌🏼
Jesy: Jingle Bell Balls, r u ready? Audience: * Silence * One random person: No, we're not! It's the only thing I remember bout Jessy's debut single, BOYZ-
If you bother to research you will find videos online that prove people were cheering. It is okay to dislike the performance but the naysayers are not presenting the whole story because they are presenting a false narrative for clicks.
@@relaxationmusicbodyandmind6265 there's literally a video of someone shouting "no, we're not" after she screams out "r u ready" so it's clear some people were definitely not cheering
There’s multiple videos showing how dead the crowd was in real time, and people getting up to use the bathroom/snacks. If anything that performance has been analyzed from every angle and POV and the results say it’s giving lackluster
You didn't touch on that Leigh-Anne was really supportive of & featured in the mental health documentary that Jesy made. Leigh-Anne made her own documentary on racism in the pop industry & Jesy didn't give it any support, wasn't in it & when asked about if she talked to Leigh-Anne about their shared (yet different) struggles said no because Leigh-Anne was better at handling it (racism). So when Jesy was sat there laughing at Minaj's horrible comments, it left a bad taste in everyone's mouth in the UK. Because of the hypocrisy after the strong impact Jesy's documentary on bullying had in the UK. Leading to people on TikTok unearthing Jesy's lack of support for Leigh-Anne documentary and numerous clips going viral of Jesy being rude or unkind to Leigh-Anne while in Little Mix. And then shortly after this Jesy gave a really bad performance at the Jingle Ball in Christmas. Not to mention people in the UK were clowning that Jesy wrote a song about 'Bad Boys' while approaching 30, having dated famously not gangsta men, & redoing Diddys gentrification theme from his original song as a white women from Essex. It's hard to quantify just how much she was being clowned in the UK and burned her public from being the face of anti-bullying & body positivity to being seen as a bully. Its doubtful she'll be able to turn that around & the UK was where her fan base was strongest, Little Mix never managed to have a massive hold in the US.
Leigh-Anne literally did the bare minimum in Jesy's documentary, so I'd say Leigh got her just desserts. What 'friend' sits on a beach, talks about trauma like that and doesn't act emotionally fazed whilst Perrie & Jade were trying their hardest not to ball their eyes out. Also, Perrie didn't take part in the documentary as well as Jesy. They didn't need to, because they are both White.
@@bb-cv5bd She could have at least tried to seem to care, instead of being cold and distant. The fact she was also just sitting on a beach was disrespectful, instead of in a more formal and respectable setting like inside a building.
@@bb-cv5bd You shouldn't have a formal, serious interview in a setting like a beach. It comes off as if the issue she is talking about isn't that important, and that she'd rather be having fun on the beach than talking about Jesy's issues, which is rude.
most of us mixers would've still been supporting her if she'd stop black fishing and let's not forget, she stood by while the only black member Leigh-Anne got so much hate for being black and didn't speak out. She's white and a lot of mixers thought she was at least part black
I dont think she stood by at all when Leigh-Anne was getting hate. There isn't any proof of it. She said in an interview that she wasn't familiar with the kind of comments that Leigh-Anne got because they were about race, while the comments Jesy got were about appearance. She also said she thought Leigh handled hate better than her. Other than that interview, there isn't any proof of any other instances where this could have happened.
She seemed like she was trying whatever she can to feel like a victim like she makes it seem like she was the only band member who got bullied online and had to deal with problems like girl you weren’t and then it’s like she thought the bullying would stop if she a solo artist and then she tried to make the other girls look bad and then she was black fishing on top of that
@@richmaxmchalliwchester1984 The thing is, the other girls problems weren't as bad as what she went through. If what happened to them affected them as much, if at all, they would have all attempted suicide once as well.
@@richmaxmchalliwchester1984 Well, I could easily say Leigh and Jade's beliefs are all in their heads too. Leigh-Anne may be the least favourite, but there is ALWAYS gonna be a favourite and least favourite in a band, she can't control that, no-one else complains about that. Also, people always showed love for her as well, and only she thought she was missed out. Jade was never judged by anyone, most fans didn't know of her origins, most fans thought Jade was white. Perrie however, definitely had the second worst experience out of the 4. P.S Deleting Social Media and Therapy doesn't always help. Most therapists suck at their jobs, and even make things worse. Antidepressants literally make things worse. So, no, Jesy couldn't change anything to help herself.
Jesy walked away she should have done it when she first tried to end her life. But she stayed cause of the fans. She should not have cause it is as if she was never in the band. I am glad Jesy left she was the odd one out. The others had issues as well. However how many bad videos do you see about the other 3....That alone is a sign..
@@relaxationmusicbodyandmind6265 You do realise if Jesy had left in 2013/2014, Little Mix wouldn't have made it to 10 years, they would have made 1 more album then disband like 5H did. It's VERY rare for a group that has a member leave so early on to survive. Even the Spice Girls fell apart after 2 years when Geri left.
@@relaxationmusicbodyandmind6265 Only a few channels that support Jesy make videos, because most are afraid of getting cancelled. But ironically, most of the UA-camrs who support Jesy, are Black or POCs.
She should have gone solo but have the backing of her group, like how a girl group like Blackpink would go solo but still have each other or like chlöe x halle, they didn't leave the group but have a solo with the backing and help of their team mates.
I think it’s easier to just leave the group when you were easily handed your success. Little mix was on the XFactor UK, so they were given a platform. Not saying they didn’t work hard but maybe not as hard as a BTS who’s had an unknown label. So maybe it’s easier for them to just leave bcuz they didn’t have to put in hard work to get to where they are. When you go through a tough time trying to find success you create a strong bond which BTS does. I love little mix but they never seemed to be truly a family. Hope I made sense ☀️
@@Josy5527167 as a army n blink why r u bringing bts n bp into this???? Little mix worked hard to achieve their longevity n relevancy. Yess it's easy to get a platform but it's rlly hard to maintain that platform 😕. I understand ur reference to bts but bp???? Yg literally handed them everything n they never struggled with fame yess they worked hard to get where they're but still they're privileged
@@Josy5527167 honestly them coming from xfactor doesn't mean shit, how many people do you remember from xfactor and then tell me how many are still relevant today? What little mix achieved was very impressive, especially for a girl group.
@@Josy5527167 I think "working hard" isn't enough to be successful as a singer. There's many groups like D-Crunch for example that work hard and are very underrated. Yes some things will give you a head-start and some work harder than others but also I don't think that's relevant. They were brought up differently as singers. In kpop, trainees train together, after they debut they live together for years even decades, etc. Can't really compare western groups to kpop groups. When you look at Boys World, they're a western group but with the same singer upbringing as the kpop style so they "feel" like a family. But that's again irrelevant in this conversation. You either release good music or you don't. Group fandoms aren't enough to support you as a solo singer. Everyone need GP attention to an extent
Same. Pieing Off the most ethnic member that stuck up & included her to gain points from playing poor little jesy to the public Left music group due to c0mPaRioNs only to still do music diving headfirst into the main complaint of her benefiting off stereotypical ethnicity with a person that is such ethnic when convenient
i love ot3 to death and honestly hate everything she has done since she went solo but gotta admit that jesy was a great and vital performancer in little mix. was just listening their love on the brain cover and she was fantastic. she had so much potential. and she had empathy and love from longtime lm fans (like me) and gp after she left. shame how everything turned out tbh.
She was clearly amazing in a group and her sultry voice added good balance, but she was hella selfish even before departing which made me dislike her even more.
She really went from being one of the best in the group to the worst. She has talent but she needs to get her mental health together and get a new team asap!
The way she left the group was unexpected and just… weird. I don’t think she was strong enough as an artist to be able to have a successful solo career. Looking at one direction (who were way bigger than LM) most of them are struggling to keep a solo career that is successful. Also didn’t help that in the beginning she said she was “leaving the industry” and then came back w a solo… Leigh, Perrie and Jade will always have my heart
Another weird thing that might be interesting to you guys: During this drama, Ms. Jessica Nelson was spotted with (and allegedly flirted with) Leigh-Anne's ex boyfriend, Lucien Laviscount, and then blamed it on the being buzzed. First she took 'inspiration', if that's what you wanna call it, from Leigh-Anne's race, and then she took inspiration from Leigh-Anne's pool of exes. She really needs to find herself.
I absolutely love Nicki, I find her career and path to success mesmerizing, however I find it conflicting how she doesn’t take a second to think about anything. The beef she started with little mix was so un called for and so childish. A person at the level of success she is at should not be using their platform like that, it’s simply embarrassing. I don’t want to portray her as the bad guy because like I said I love this woman, she is so fkn talented but in this situation she definitely is.
true as a barb nicki is a smart women and says what she needs to say with reason; however i think she should've not bothered to say anything, especially on live and start drama.
I like her music too but she meses up a lot with her mouth and that sometimes makes me not want to even listen to her music,the whole live situation was just so unnecessary even if she wanted to help Jesy,she probably only heard one side of the story and even if she heard both she had nothing to do with any of it is just sad and she is always doing things like this I really don't understand her ..🤷🏾♀️
yeh it's a real shame because she says alot of the right things and she's incredible and important. buuuut she also has a knack for doing shit that completely drags her down. im becoming so tired of her as of late. and she hasn't been popping musically like she did either, her place in the industry is getting smaller. from defending/promoting rapists to tearing down leigh-anne, a fellow black woman, for a racist white woman ugh. what's worse is that she collabed with lm, and those girls stood beside her during her hate train, and all it took was one mediocre pop song for her to shit on her own community.
As a mixer since 2017, I think Jesy didn't prepare well for her solo career. For starters, she started saying she was taking a break from the group to take care of her mental health, but a few months later she appears in a studio producing music. Soon after, she releases a very generic song, her controversy with blackfishing, that useless live where Nicki mocked Leigh Anne and Jesy was laughing, and finally that horrible performance at the Jingle Bell Ball. Jesy is very talented, and she has demonstrated this many times when she was in Little Mix. But she needs to review some of her conduct if she doesn't want to see her solo career being ruined.
It’s sad as their album such as salute and lm5 I think really shows that they are not just pop and show how versatile they are but their labels would only promote songs that’s were the image they wanted for the group and not necessarily what the members want
Salute and lm5 are pop af. Their songs, their looks, how they talk, what they talk and everything about them is generic and bland and hos no real edge. even when they tried to create that dark pop sound it. Was just childs level with some "dark magic" childish stupid shit. their fans were little girls that grew up and doesn't care about this childish pop music without much depth. compare them to pink floyd, The shangri-las, Even destiny's chils or maneskin and you'll see how fucking generic their music is
I personally really like Jesy's voice and singing style, I think it's soulful. She can convey emotion and can sound sexy too... It's a shame, she could have gone in many different directions. The issue is simply her behavior and choices. I don't know if she will ever get another chance, but she would need a much better media management and to build a new persona completely different from how she presents herself today. It seemed to me that her main problem is that she has a victim complex that has blinded her judgement and ability to see herself and her relationships critically and objectively. Her pain and trauma are valid, but she needs to stop blaming others or the world for everything, take more accountability for her own life and stop projecting her insecurities and resentment into others, specially people who have loved and supported her. She wants only yes people around who focus on her needs, because her ego is bruised, but that's distorting her empathy for other people's struggle... And the difficult thing is to do all this emotional work without becoming too overly critical and hateful to herself neither. She really has to stay away from collaborators (or boyfriends) that are problematic or a bad influence or just agreeing with her on everything. And have crew that is gentle but more aware and down to earth, people who will tell her if she has a bad idea and keep her feet on the ground. She's also clinging to the past, she needs to be more present on doing/feeling better now. There's a part of her that is begging for understanding, attention and validation, admiration... But she's not gonna get that until she matures, maybe never. Also, I know she likes dancing and wanted to be recognized as a certain type of performer... But, i think, if she wants to build an audience that feels connected to her... She would need to start with music that is more lyrically and sonically vulnerable, or that has a more compelling genuine story. It all went down in a very pitiful and distasteful way... It was hard to watch. It's just... Sad. And disappointing.
@Mr RED oh... I'm not sure what that "world scroll" expression means... But I assume you're complaining about my comment being too long. Idk what to say about that.
Her key failure is she can't laugh at herself and isn't self aware at all. Then her second failure is her refusal to learn and grow which is really offputting to Gen Z who should be her natural fanbase. Thirdly it's a really bad look to say "I couldn't make the hip-hop inspired music I wanted to make when I was in Little Mix" because that reads as "I couldn't act as black as I wanted to when I was in a group with 2 biracial girls while I'm white".
It's a real shame as she would've got more support if it wasn't for the whole blackfishing thing and that tan comment she made on live with Nicki, I wonder if she'll be able to bounce back
I feel like the fans all felt pretty betrayed by her because Little Mix were supposed to be best friends, and so when Nicki shaded the girls and when Jesy was talking about how she never really liked what they did in the group it felt like she was being very disloyal. When Camila, for example, left Fifth Harmony and when they all broke up it wasn’t surprising at all, you could tell that they didn’t get along. But with LM, the girls who were like sisters, having one of them shading the others really left a bad taste in everybody’s mouth. Though I do also think there were people praying for her downfall just because she left the group, it’s what happens when you leave a VERY passionate fanbase (and you are not a fan favourite like Camila or Zayn), a lot of people were waiting for her to do something wrong, to fail so they could turn their backs on her and well she didn’t make it hard.
You clearly forgot that Jesy (and even the rest of LM) have spoke out against songs they've done that they hate (i.e Oops, Black Magic), even whilst in the group.
@@tjsquibbofficial that‘s fair but I think it was more about how she said it. She didn’t say “there are some particular songs that I don’t like”, she was speaking like she never liked anything they did, even the clothes they wore. And I doubt that on her 10 years in the group she really hated every single song, in fact Boyz was super similar to something LM could have done in LM5, is it really a style that she couldn’t have done in the group? Also I don’t know what was going on behind the scenes but they had a lot of control in LM5 and Confetti so if she wanted to she could have had more input in those albums and, at least as far as I know, she chose not to, the ones that worked the most on those albums were Jade and Leigh, if she really hated what they did that much why didn’t she try to be more on the creative process when she finally could?
@@valeriam6248 By the time she could have control, I feel like Jade & Leigh were TOO established as the main Songwriters of the group. Also, in terms of the style, her outfits in her solo career and pre debut looks are very different to her LM looks. She had to change to be more cohesive with the other girls, even if it meant her forcing herself into corsets. Also, if you think about it, Perrie never had much creative control either, I'm pretty sure she has less song credits than Jesy even.
@@tjsquibbofficial but then it goes back to the disappointment of: weren’t they friends? If they were best friends she should have been able to say that she wanted to write as well, and this is just something we’ll never know, it’s a matter of who you believe and I honestly doubt that if she asked they would have told her no. And yeah Perrie barely writes but idk what that has to do with anything? (Not trying to be rude lol genuine question) She’s never said that she didn’t like their music (except particular songs) or anything of the sort, songwriting just isn’t what she brings to the group. And yeah I get that maybe her style didn’t totally align with theirs, it was just an example of the fact that she started talking badly about literally everything (but again even then I do feel like in the last years you could really see everybody’s style and I don’t think her style is so crazy that she wouldn’t be able to wear it).
It was bitter-sweet when Jesy left, cause I didn't want her too, but I was still happy she chose herself and her health. However when she diminished the other girls struggles and just acknowledged her own it was simply wrong. Not even mentioning the live, but even when she said Leigh had it easier than her, talking to Jade telling her she stays skinny when she knew she had an ED and was still struggling, and focusing on how anxious she was when Perrie too was suffering from a bad anxiety was just disrespectful. It may have felt like it, but you were never alone. When you are down you do look at the bad, but saying that those girls were not there for you when they literally stop a live broadcast on bbc one because she was having a panic attack and Perrie sang her part without rehearsing it, that screams support to me. I hope that she realise and admits to her mistakes and of course apologies, because loosing people that really care about you sucks, especially when you loose them because of your lowest low.
Another thing was the disastrous Jingle Bell Ball performance… Just added to the dogpiling on her when it came to criticism of her talent/performance skills
I like how Jesse always brings up how she was picked on in the group as if the only black girl in the group wasn’t picked on or didn’t experience racism. Chile 🙄😒
I remember when Jesy made insensitive comments towards Jade, calling her skinny and saying she doesn't gain weight. Jade's gone to the hospital due to her ED in the past yet Jesy, as her friend, still thought it was okay to say those things just to feel more validated while talking about how its unfair that the girls 'don't put on any weight' on IG live. It's wild how tone-deaf her off-handed comments towards the girls could be.
I didn’t care about the song or video, I think it’s a decent throwback but nothing special. The issue is that she’s not likeable and it kinda shows through her art. The girl needs to show real personality to shine.
Im mad at Nicki for shading Leigh Ann, cuz shes my favorite member. Nicki preaches about how black women shouldn't bring down other black women and here she go.
That live with Nicky was very painful to watch. I felt like Jesy was just there smiling awkwardly not knowing how to react to Nicky's sudden shade throwing. I still think Jesy should of course quit the blackfishing and accept the critizism, but I feel like Nicky was the one who made this whole situation so hostile.
She couldn't wait to get out and go down the most generic route. Adding mediocre hiphop artists and going full Timberlake and Beiber is old hat and it's hard to see if she'll come out well from this. Then again Robbie Williams had a god awful start to his pop career and he ended up bigger than the boyband he left.
the audacity. you can watch many interviews where the girls all cater to jesy. They added her into conversations, they made sure she had her turn off answering questions, they where there for her when people made fun her looks, they complimented her. They loved her and she SPAT on them all because the girls still were getting more attention. the way she showed her true self when she left and spoke about "how unfairly" she was treated. She's victamising herself tp give herself promotion and it only backfired onto herself. she has an amazing voice but, fame blew her head up. she reminds me of Khloe k before the surgeries jealous of Kim and kourtney for being smaller. wising her the best and hope that she apologises to the girls especially Leigh Anne.
She reminds me of the British girl that tried to do the Jamaican accent on that one video clip…and seeing her teenage photos versus her current choice in makeup and wigs, it’s DEFINITELY giving blackfishing/ culture vulture/ appropriation 🫤🤷🏽♀️
Jesy is dope and Little Mix is one of the best selling girl groups so the hype for her was definitely there, but that song was not it and the blackfishing/drama controversy with Leigh-Anne made things worse cause it meant black women wouldn’t listen to her much and the hip hop instrumental would turn away her fans who prefer her pop sound.
Jesy stans! I plead with you, hold her to a higher standard and hold her accountable because she will never learn otherwise and will end up ruining her career entirely. I'm not a fan but I know she can sing. Please hold this woman accountable, like the rest of us do, and help your idol become a better person and better artist. We know she has the potential.
Nicki definitely made things worse for her. Her talking mess about the members just was awful. I also find it funny that Jes featuring a well know rapper (Nicki) didn't do nothing to help her in the long. That's sad. For both of them.
I'm genuinely curious to see if she can come back from this...Her voice was always my favorite of Little Mix, but for some reason she put on this bad Camilla Cabello impression for her first single Literally the only reason I follow her on Instagram.
Not only was she not mentally ready but the song “Boyz” just sucked. She should’ve waited longer and worked with songwriters more until she had a real solid banger to debut with.
I think the n-word situation from 2019 Is part of the problem too 🤷🏽♀️ Blocking black fans for calling out your behavior her actions from that definitely did something
Jesy Nelson is a typical example of people who use ‘mental health’ as an excuse to gaslight people into feeling sorry for them and to get their own way. She used it as an excuse to launch a solo career and ride the great PR wave Little Mix had in 2020 and it’s totally backfired on her. Karma is real!
Jesy's emotive, husky voice would work with RnB ballads and mid tempos, so when she came out with Boyz...it was just awful and then the controversy...she really needs a deep dive of constant therapy because I think she's in a victim mentality which has destroyed a great friendship/sisterhood and debut on top of the trauma and depression from serious online hate...but I'll still check on her every now and then...
Screams insecurity and problematic. She put it out there that she needed time to gather herself mentally -- well the universe has responded. May she use the time wisely to better herself.
it makes no sense why she left little mix because of her "mental health" to then go and become a solo artist. her doing that is acually increasing her chances of the hate because she is by herself! and now shes trying to make the others feel bad when they helped her and supported her and helped her get to where she is for her to leave and try to make a load of drama of it like lets be honest this song is just another average song that everyone has heard before. "i dont think anyone is going to expect this" " this is the music ive always wanted to make" it sounds exactly like a song that little mix would do. i think she just wanted more spotlight (which makes zero sense bc it increases the hate), she wanted more money. also she is saying how her previous team was bad but she is even more scandalous and half naked in this mv? and she made a whole documentary about how she was bullied and here the hypocrit is doing the exact same thing to her bandmates who did nothing to her ?
Sorry if this is long - always loved Little Mix since I was 12, Jesy was my favorite member in the group because I loved her caring and funny personality, when she made a documentary about being fat shamed and bullied on the media , I felt kinda like I can related to her because I was also fat shaming as well and she was of the members I can relate the most a well , she would tell fans to be happy with their bodies no matter what but when she left the group , drop her first debut single , did a live stream Nicki , it’s shocked me because Nicki was bullying and dragging Leigh Anne while Jesy just stood there and then nothing happened but just laughed . It’s like Jesy doesn’t want to be judged , criticized or want people to be mean to her and only emphasize and support ( love ) her , but when she watches Nicki bully Leigh Anne and dragged the living life out of Leigh , she just laughs about it and does nothing about it , doesn’t even stand up for one of her sister’s for life , but when she gets bullied she cries and she’s like “ Don’t Bully me “ “ I just want this to end “but when she see one of her band members or others get bullied , she stands there and do nothing and just laugh even though Leigh Anne and the rest of the girls love her so much it’s like Jesy thinks it’s not enough, Leigh Anne has faced racism for years and she supported jesy for being fat shamed online and jest didn’t even support Leigh while she was being a victim of racism and just said “ she’s better a dealing it than I am “ Like jesy has a very strong victim mentality mind-set and I hope This stops now I just hope her next single is better and gets far away from the black fishing thing and with good lyrics not just singing about a Bad Boy I love Jesy not matter what and Girls as well 💜💜but seeing Leigh Anne being bullied by Nicki is just Too Much
True! 5H would probably still be together and have way more albums if they had been given creative control and weren't abused along with being able to do Solo projects at the same time. Little Mix would just be vibing if the Labels and Media weren't evil.
since they already comment what i was thinking, im just going to say...I hope she take this as an learning experience and comeback better then ever,we know she got the talent and the vocals for it
If this new album gets released, it will be a decider whether she will make it in the music industry as solo artist. She is looking for instant fame, targeting the young generation as the core listeners. I am intrigued what the writers come up with. I have a feeling I won't enjoy the album release, especially when I did not like Boyz single. I will keep an open mind when the new album drops.
Admittedly I don't know much about this band, but what I was aware of was the other girls being incredibly vocally supportive of Jessy when she was body shamed by the media... for her to basically spit on them now is very dissapointing. Especially since she's white, and it seems like some of the girls in the band aren't, so she should be first and foremost listening to them on racial issues. That video seems almost full on blackface at a certain point tbh, bet she's gonna go the miley cyrus route of deciding to drop all the black culture she previously tried to exploit as soon as it benefits her to.
Jessy has a strong voice that she could just stand and sing. Not many artists can do that nowadays and that would have been refreshing to see. She doesn't need all the extras added.
It's her blacklisting and gaslighting her former girl group for me. It just comes off as if she's this terrible persona AND why would someone route or support an terrible person debut?
Her solo career doesn't make sense when you look at the explanation she gave for leaving Little Mix. She said she couldn't handle it mentally, but then went solo? It doesn't make sense.
The blackfishing is what really tanked her debut, and Nicki chiming in did not help. She had a built in fan base coming from one of the biggest girl groups of the past 20 years and she basically flipped them off by letting Nicki tear into Leigh like that.
Please review Leigh Anne’s solo career so far she’s doing amazing and is booked for a lot in October. Her second single my love is great, her say a little prayer at capital close up was a vocal statement so that must be highlighted. She is burning jesy up 🤣
"I'm so excited for you all to hear the next single which is coming soo . So Stay tuned..." It's been 9 months since her debut single released. Most acts have usually followed up their first single within the first three to four months, so to strike whilst the iron is hot. For Jesy, the 9 month wait is a sign that all is not well and something is happening behind the scenes. I think the shock of the first single bombing has prompted the record label to definitely go back to the drawing board and draw up a plan of action. If the next single flops (whenever it's released) the album will be shelved and Jesy will likely be dropped.
For someone who hates bullying she sure sent thousands of people after her ‘friends’ with that live she did. Those 3 girls did everything to support Jesy through thick & thin and were repayed with a cold shoulder & an attitude. As my mother would say, you reap what you sow.
jesy actually had potential after being a solo artist, but she ignored/blocked people that called her out for black fishing (even before she left the group). she lied about leigh anne not calling her out about her blackfishing (she contradicted herself so quickly) and then nicki was also apart of the reason why her solo flopped. fans have claimed that jesy has changed but she looks darker than a lot of poc, like myself. she needs to educated herself.
Nicki being vicious to someone who did nothing to her and wasn't part of the conversation is just who she is. Totally expected. She is just darkness and pettiness inside. Go pay your brother and husband's legal bills, and stay away from young women. You and your family are a threat to them.
Jessy did stood out in little mix but in a good way. She had a different type of voice and body. I loved her in little mix as i could relate to her. But unfortunately (MY personal opinion) going solo and the way she went solo, ruined her own career.
At first,I was really appalled by Jesy`s behavior towards her bandmates,especially Leigh,as I`ve had a very different picture of them in my mind.It`s the reason why I followed them since their X Factor days.But then I stopped to actually think,considering the backdrop of this industry and...I don`t think it`s too far fetched for me to feel like this is all drama created for both sides to be promoted.Jesy was coming out with her first single,around which time all the members unfollowed her.On the other hand,the girls were coming out with new songs.I hate to say this but all publicity is good publicity as long as you stay in people`s minds.Her memes are still being shared online and Little Mix are still prospering in their own endeavors.Not only this,but their song about cutting off Jesy was great and a good hit for them too.I don`t know. Everything was messy when the rest of their career wasn`t,which in hindsight also adds to my suspicions.
If you noticed they barely said anything at all about Jesy. Even when the public didn't know the messy way she left, they still thanked her at awards shows. They proved its better to speak through the music.
@@heresqueenie if you noticed, Jesy was always saying positive things about them, and then Jade proceeded to block her and shade her on national television, and then Leigh anne proceeds to DM an influencer calling her a horrible person. And then Perrie proceeded to unfollow everyone on Jesy's team the day Boyz came out.
the only thing i think nicki could have done to avoid that live was do some research before that whole thing, im pretty sure that nicki just went off of what jesy told her
The problem I have with her words is that she keep saying no one care about her mental health during her days in the group, but the main point for Little Mix is the genuine friendship between members as the true "girl power" ( which she repeatedly confirm to the press is real and she said it herself she has very good relationship with all three other girls). Her struggle is definitely real and deserves sympathy and respect, but the way she handling her PR relationship after going solo is truly shady and it does give ppl second thought about her credibility.
Also to clarify because some people are cherry-picking. I did not say Little Mix *is* better or even as iconic as TLC, DC, or SG. I simply said they (arguably) operated as an equilibrium better than them. Meaning all of the girls got their moments to shine. Beyonce is known as the “Beyonce” of the group. TLC’s relationship became strained during Fanmail which led to Lisa barely being on the album. (Also Tboz is the lead singer) . Victoria didn’t have many solo parts in SG. Despite, the 2 latter groups’ chemistry. Little Mix didn’t really have this kind of set up. They all eventually got their moments to shine. They were a bit more committed to the “sisterhood” brand …until they weren’t.
I do too believe little mix were better than the other girl groups, because of the same reasons, I don’t think they as individuals could ever be better than the other girlgroups members individually, obvs beyoncé, but comparing them as groups little mix worked so well together.
As far as I'm aware the messages were not fake
We’d definitely have to disagree about the last bit of your statement. The women are very much still committed to one another even during their hiatus. Going as far as to release a joint statement informing the media and fans that they’ve worked together to ensure not to release music at the same time. Stating, “We’re rooting for each other, not competing against each other.”
Losing a member who very clearly showed less than kind intentions doesn’t render that null and void.
In addition statistical speaking Little Mix is the third best selling girl group of all time, all without expanding into the US market (due to Label disputes). So they are in fact, in the same rankings as the other girl groups mentioned.
@@Noname-nn2hm they were fake
@@miamckenzie6861 I agree with your point but I’m specifically talking about the original lineup in this context. Little Mix as a trio continued to uplift their sisterhood values of course.
Jesy had potential, however her song boyz, the blackfishing scandal, and the Jingle Bell Ball performance really ruined her debut and probably her solo career. I also think Nicki Minaj dragging the other members of Little Mix really didn't help in her favor.
Edit: I also want to point out something that I missed, and I noticed this with some artists like Normani. And that problem is consistency. Jesy hasn't released any new solo material or been featured in anyone else's work since her single Boyz. I fear that if she doesn't release any new music soon, there might be a chance she'll never come-back from this setback.
thank you! jesy has had plenty of her issues but ‘toxic’ mixers keep on with this narrative that she! has said a lot of nasty stuff about the girls. fact is that she has never
Very much did. Nicki Minaj did wayyy too much jesy most definitely wouldn’t have “defended” her like that. Nicki did all that just for the song to flop on the charts and no cares for the songs
I had so much respect for her in little mix but she's lost that solo
Talent or catchy beats can't be canceled and if she finds a hit and has enough confidence to not give a fuck, everyone would forget the scandal 😂
I still love those memes from the JBB🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Honestly I think Leigh Anne was the odd one out, always sidelined and given the least material to sing and had the least love from the fans on social.
Jesy had the biggest social following next to Perrie. Yes the PRESS was cruel to her, but the fandom loved her and so did the other band members.
I don't feel like she was sidelined by the group it was the fans. Her documentary was really insightful her saying she didn't realize how to tell the group she felt that way. They all seemed supportive except Jesy. It wasn't just with Leigh Anne, anytime someone said how they felt she'd go 'Oh but you're beautiful/skinny!' It's like that should erase they're feelings and only she could have have problems.
And she has the BEST voice out of them 🤧❤️
jesy suffered from fat shaming. she didn't fit into the beauty standards as much as pez and jade, she also didn't have that confident persona. she was easy to get to and the media knew that. leigh was pushed aside for being the only black member. both girls suffered (they all did in different ways) but leigh 100% is the one who had to fight for everything. jesy's hate is glorified because she's still a pretty white girl at the end of the day, people are far more willing to listen to her than to leigh.
Also, to the OG commenter, Jesy didn't have the second biggest social following. It goes like this in terms of personality:
1. Perrie
2. Jade
3. Jesy
4. Leigh-Anne
But with the latter 3, they only have a gab of a couple 100K between each one, whilst Perrie has millions more. Also, I'm sorry but Jesy had WAY less lines than the other members. Watch line distribution videos. The only songs she had the most lines on (that I can think of) are Good Enough, These Four Walls, and Bounce Back.
@@tjsquibbofficial In early 2021, so before the Boyz mess, she was 2nd after Perrie with a huge gap obviously, but before Jade and Things have shifted afterwards.
hear me out, I honestly think she was not mentally ready for a solo career, she got bullied for years cause of her looks and she thought that going for that insta baddie diva image would help her, wrong!!! she wanted to show the public that she's capable of something she's not, it doesn't feel genuine, like her mom said in her documentary; "I want the real jest back" and as a mixer since 2013 I get what her mom meant, this current Jesy doesn't even feel like a human, it feels like a character she built, she wants to sell a diva wannabe look that just won't work! she said "I can now do the things I wanna do and create the type of music that I really like" but the problem is, it seems like she doesn't even now who she is, she should have waited at least to year, delete her social media and focus on her mental health before trying to be a solo artist.
two* years
Exactly
we don’t know who the “real her” as fans. any connection and relationship that you have is purely parasocial
@@suoutubez19 exactly but she even know that and that persona is not even working or giving with her fans and outsiders so I think it’s past a parasocial relationship. She in general is struggle to find a correct way present herself.
Lol her music sucks period. That’s it and that’s all.
The fact that she said that Leigh Anne ( a black woman who was left out multiple times because of the color of her skin) had it easier than her. The fact that she’s even comparing their struggles is a red flag, she said that they were her “sisters” only for her to be contradictory and act like they were the problem this entire time.
Why would she be left out because of her skin if the other girls get praised when they achieve the same skin tone
@@viciousv9671 ever heard of double standards? Everything black women have is good as long as it's not on a black woman. If it's on a black woman it's ghetto, on a woman of another race it's "trendy". Leigh recieved a lot of racism while Jesy and Jade in some instances where they had the same skin tone where never targeted with hate for it.
@@ms.ferretmanthing2404 jade is half black
@@vera8415 Her point is that she's mixed, not black.
@@ms.ferretmanthing2404 and when it is the same _”race”_ with different skin tones there tends to be colourism at play
Then add racial androgyny for those that can pass as non-______ or flip it in regards to racial phishing
She just strikes me as a very insecure person, even more so now, which makes me sad. It seems like under all this newfound "confidence" it's the same underlying issues. I feel bad that the media was so cruel to her.
instead jesy turned to perpetrating the “pressure” she complained about onto another
she could had felt picked on she found a benefit from playing into victimhood while acting in slight against… another
@@보모 yeah i agree! Like, don't turn on the people who have always been unconditionally there for you
@@danielacordero3376 it’s about notoriety because Nicki herself does the same where she would dish it but cry foul when she interprets something as an insult whether it’s about her being blæck, a woman, or large reared -enhanced
So their innocent Jesy “bully” LeighAnn take was rather rich considering the dynamics
she seems like such a hypocrite. she is so obsessed with outward attractiveness that I think it’s her top priority, and that’s why she was blind to the friendship from the other three because she would not let it go that she was not the prettiest. She’s not even an unattractive woman even back in 2011 sure she’s a bit “plain looking” whatever tf that means but she’s got some pretty eyes and a cute smile, had she collaborated with some good photographers she could’ve had some fantastically beautiful magazine covers and photoshoots but I think because she and LM were a part of syco they were reallyyyyy constricted to that teen pop brand which is why their music has always been kind of basic. but i digress. it seems she has the Amanda Bynes syndrome where her insecurity and obsession with physical attractiveness has sort of taken over and made her the kind of person who would prioritize her wanting to feel pretty versus a legit sisterhood of women who probably go through very similar situations and issues, all while being in the limelight. but Jesy threw it all away. she just wanted to be the pretties girl in the room and she wanted the FANS and the internet people to say that. When you look at the timeline, the sweet melody music video which was fall 2020 (I don’t remember the exact month) and Jesy’s departure from the group, after Leigh Anne who’s revealed she brought up the blackfishing issue to Jessie around that time. It’s clear to me jessy wanted her own image that was based upon superficiality. with the same brand that Nicki Minaj, the Kardashians, and city girls use, which isn’t inherently bad but it gets really twisted when that lifestyle/attitude starts to harm others. (Ie nicki Minaj bizarre and incessant alignment with pedophiles, the Kardashians consistently stepping on other creators, almost always black wonen, and taking credit for / stealing achievements and designs and styles started by black women)
@@stxrstrxckmxteo515 bleached empowerment / white feminism - lacking intersectionality ❔
no developments made just phishers
actual ethnicity not is welcomed
The fact that Jesy says no one supported or cared about her is crazy. The last few years when her mental health was bad, her band mates more often times Leigh Anne of all people took over her parts. She even admitted in several interviews to being jealous of them at times. No one is perfect I'm sure in a group there are times when people get on your nerves but she also talked about her ideas and songs getting dubbed but each member said as a group each one of them experienced that. Let's also talk about the fact that in both their sides of the story they all agreed they tried to get her to stay and went to therapy to try to work things out. I find it hard to believe they didn't care about her at all.
Jesy wanted out for pressure only to go solo thus still have pressure… blamed the group instead to make her a victim yet again
@@보모 no. she said she just couldn't cope with being directly compared to the other girls while in that group, by herself and others. the media had made this a toxic environment for her and she couldn't get back to how it used to feel or should. her mental health had detoriated too much. she needed to create a new space, so she left and went solo. sure, she didn't do it in the most respectful way to the girls (apparently the girls weren't informed of her departure) but i understand the desperation and resentment. she's only human. what she's wrong for is her ca and racism. her constant poking at the girls that strained the relationship even further, both while she was in the group and out. i just wouldn't say its fair to mock her mental health and decision to go solo, i think she was more or less pretty honest about that. boyz also tied in to that story, she's still very insecure and seeking out validation. a smart decision would be for her to take a step back and listen to critiscism, she's not ready yet but she still has potential. basically her and the other 3 are just in very different positions in life and no longer fit as a 4. sad ending but i hope that one day they can reconnect.
That rubbed me the wrong way when I first heard it too. But then I thought about it and I think she meant the label and management instead of the members..? I’m not sure tho. Her members were always there for her and it would be sick to pretend that they never were.
@@hotsexyangel yess that's what i kind of got out of it as well. especially when she talked about her new "team". i think she might have meant the label and her managers who most likely call the shots rather than the girls.
but honestly, idk. like some groups seem like they're close but in truth aren't, and that might or might not be true here, so yeah.
@@dyingforeddiemunson Tbf, I feel like since at least 2019, Leigh-Anne seemed very distant emotionally from Jesy. In Odd One Out, when Perrie & Jade were interviewed, they were in tears/trying not to care whilst LA was just relaxing on the beach, and it honestly sounded like she was scripted. The vibe was just off.
She hates bullying but was willing to laugh along to bullying of her former bandmate
Calling someone a Clown who is one isn’t Bullying.
Leigh is a Hypocrite
@@veliona_vollerei_ can you explain what leigh ann did that made you react that way?
No joke or shade I’m curious I haven’t been keeping up with them
classic narcissism unfortunately
@@lade7880 On Boyz day release Leigh-Anne liked and posted some shady stuff, some of her friends and family (her sister) did the same and days later she dmed an influencer. That influencer asked his fans if he should dance to Boyz and Leigh-Anne answered his insta story telling him to do a video talking bad about Jesy instead and all this happened before that live with Nicki so Jesy being silent when Nicki mentioned Leigh-Anne's double standards (L has friends, IN'A'SEASHELL models who tan even darker than Jesy) doesn't seem wrong to me because i wouldn't open my mouth either if my "friend" does this behind my back
@@veliona_vollerei_ No, Jesy is the hypocritic one, not Leigh-Anne
I think this might be a cute song for a 20 year old singer but woman in her 30s singing about bad boys and “my mama won’t like you” is kinda cringe to me 🤷♀️
She’s in her 30’s? 😭
@@jewelxiat yeah she’s 30, maybe even 31 now
@@ariabutler6075 Yeah she turned 31 2 weeks ago
Please, Little Mix were still singing Black Magic and Touch even after they gave birth. Let’s keep that same energy.
@@devongreen981 they was young around that time???
jesy used to be soo good in little mix, but always felt 'apart' from the group. her solo debut had so much potential.
So much she could’ve did so much with her voice even if she wanted go r&b she could’ve without the ridiculous blackfishing
@@tajsimms8976 I was about to make the same comment.
@@tajsimms8976 She should've release a ballad song first to showcase her voice and everything would've turned out great.
Her voice was so unique and it was easily recognisable from the get-go, she would’ve done so well
Preach
Jesy has a good voice, one of my favorites but her black-fishing scandal, her song boyz, and then everything that Nicki Minaj did ruined her future. There was drama in the group because She said no one told her about black-fishing and I think Leigh-Anne's sister called her out for that lie. It was bad. Leigh-Anne went through hate because of her skin color, while the girls were there for Jesys documentary, Jesy did't show support for her at all. I honestly don't know about her future but whatever happens happens I guess.
@Mr RED all of little mix members have good voices, no matter what. You may not like jesy and I don’t but I won’t sit here and say she doesn’t have any talent cause that would be lie.
@@kaitlincornell2151 to be able to sing and having a good voice are two different things entirely
@@howardanderson7735 she can sing and I get you guys don’t like her but to say she can’t sing is a lie. Each voice in little mix is what made little mix’s songs special and unique to them. To the ballads and to the fast pace songs, their voices were good. You can hate her all you want but don’t act like she can’t sing when she can.
@Mr RED every artist has some days where they can’t sing, that doesn’t mean they can’t sing? You guys are acting weird now…
Jesy didn't lie, she said that Leigh talked to her about it once in a text, and Nikki cut her off in the live and didn't finish. Also, how can you take someone seriously when she's a black girls but is surrounded by white woman only who tan darker than Jesy and all the models of her business tan darker? but her only issue is with Jesy who used to tan since she joined little mix because it's something normal in the UK, yet leigh didn't have an issue with it until she left the group
The live was extremely unnecessary and really disrespectful it really made me see jesy differently after how much she struggled with bullying she had no problem sitting on live letting Nicki attack Leigh like it’s nothing is just really fucked up especially since Leigh had just given birth to twins around the time
@@BeautifulZoya right and nobody is talking about how sge tried to sabotage the collab with texting other blogs which she got exposed with a screen recording but everybody is quiet about that too
@@BeautifulZoya Called out for what leigh came to jesy calmly to educate her long before she even left Little mix she didn’t attack her or disrespect her or try to embarrass her like jesy did
@@BeautifulZoya It’s not accusation if half of LM fan base didn’t know jesy was white she obviously blackfished at least leigh came to her in private trying to educate her
@@BeautifulZoya Thank you.
@@sunflowerbabe6565 Leigh talked to Jesy when they were filming Sweet Melody. Fans have been talking about Jesy black fishing long before hand and some were blocked in the process. If Leigh cared, she would’ve said it years ago, not when the group was six albums into their career.
the explanation she gave for leaving the group basically said that she wanted time away from the spotlight, not that she wanted to be a solo artist. so when all of a sudden she released solo music she lost all the fans she had from little mix bc she had lied to them and betrayed the group in their eyes. and that was before all the scandals
This is exactly how I felt. Like girl, what are u talking ab?💀
THIS
Exactly. Like she said that and made everyone belive it. Now people are once again coming for Leigh-Anne because she was in the studio not so long ago. The big difference here is, Little Mix takes the break so they can try out solo music, Jesy said "I need some time out of the spotlight" and directly teased solo music. Like
Jesy said she couldn't take the pressure of being in a girl band, not that she needed a break from music
@@martina-dd6vb But the pressure is even harder now, especially on her
I think it's interesting when you compared Jesy's solo outing compared to someone like Camila or Zayn in terms of the music. Zayn leaned more into R&B with pillowtalk and Camila had more of a Latin Pop sound with Havana (I know that's not her debut single but I'm too lazy to look it up right now). Compared those to Boys by Jesy it seems...generic in comparison. Like it sounds like something you would hear if a youtuber needed a royalty free pop song for a video.
Lmao and Jessy's isn't generic to you?
That’s a good point, they all had distinct sounds, but Jesy didnt. Also she was hyping it like it was gonna be something super different to anything LM has done before and it really wasn’t.
@@tomasleon3148I think they meant that in comparison to Pillowtalk and Havana, Jesy’s song was generic, not the other way around.
@@tomasleon3148 I meant boys is generic. not Havana or Pillowtalk is generic.
@@nina__serafina Oh! Sorry, I understood the other way. Now I get it and I agree.
To me Boyz was a big mistake as an opening single, because Jesy had already been getting backlash from blackfishing and this song sort of contributed to those allegationsand made them worse. Boyz has so many lyrics that sound like fetishizing of black men, and the video is mostly fine but a bit on the pushing it side with regards to cultural appropriation and mixed with her own blackfishing it was going to be a disaster. After all of that, letting Nicki drag her former band mate, Leigh-Anne who had just released her own documentary about experiencing racism in the industry, just made the whole thing spiral. In my opinion, even without acknowledging the blackfishing stuff a different debut single would have been much better for her career
Plus saying „this is the music I always wanted to make“ and then releasing a song that is sampled and has a feature - come on.
The one right thing she did was get an icon like Nicki for her solo debut, however it didn’t help her at all, and hurt Nicki’s image even more based on that IG live they had.
Exactly Nicki needed to stay out of the girls business
Will never forgive Nicki for being in that girl's business
It didn’t hurt Nicki’s image at all. She can’t be beat
@@cloed0ll get a grip
@@hellobye7697 no babes it did she lost many fans after what she said
Her looking racially ambiguous and ignoring fan's concerns was and is the biggest issue for me. We don't know for sure what happend between her and little mix, but I remember her liking Perries pregnancy post, but not Leigh's. I'm sure they fell out. Nicki should've never inserted herself into this, because she made everything worse.
At least Jesy only said nice things about her time in little mix. I wish you included the fact that Leigh, Perrie and Jade all unfollowed her right when Boyz dropped and that they made a song about cutting Jesy off. I feel like all involved parties were quite shady, and I wish Little Mix's legacy didnt end like this
What? They did
They weren't shady...Jesy was
@@dwuke2010 oh my bad
what’s the song abt cutting jesy off
@@dwuke2010 where was she shady? she wasn't the one who made a whole song about cutting off, or unfollowed them on the day of their debut. she said many nice things about the girls as can be seen here: ua-cam.com/video/3Y_5Lj0gbRo/v-deo.html
yes, we should hold jesy accountable for her ignorance regarding her racial ambiguity, but she never said or did anything shady towards little mix
She tried to Camilla her way to a solo career basically. When you leave groups it’s ALWAYS better to have the backing of them and the fanbase cause what are you alienating part of your audience for? Camilla always had her fans/stand but the racism scandal cut the rest of the potential she had. Also she couldn’t use sympathy anymore after she sat there and let Nicki Minaj read her former bandmates on Live. Lol I realized as I was typing this Camilla is racist and Jesy is a black fisher how ironic 😂😂😂 moral of the story is first impressions are everything
What Camilla said is wrong and NOT acceptable but she was literal child, let people grow, its sad to cancel people who did something wrong when they were like 15
What's ironic is that you're a clown babe Saying shit about something someone did like a decade ago?? As a black person myself i know I've said some offensive sht in the past but foes that define who i am today? No.
@@luka7678 She could have apologized and adressed the topic in a way that shows that she no longer holds those views and grew from her mistakes instead of just ignoring it and acting like it never happened just to avoid having to take responsibility. Especially in our current socio-political climate her ignoring her racism from back in the day comes off as if she just doesn’t care. THAT‘s what‘s not sitting right with people. And rightfully so.
@@newyorkgirl1997 lol she didnt ignore it, she addressed it and apologized, what are u talking about?
@@luka7678 oh she did? lmaoooo I think I got her confused with Hailey Bieber 💀 well then my comment goes for Hailey. Good for Camila if she genuinely regrets the things she said in the past and educated herself in order to be a good role model for her fans 🙌🏼
Jesy: Jingle Bell Balls, r u ready?
Audience: * Silence *
One random person: No, we're not!
It's the only thing I remember bout Jessy's debut single, BOYZ-
Me too 😭
If you bother to research you will find videos online that prove people were cheering. It is okay to dislike the performance but the naysayers are not presenting the whole story because they are presenting a false narrative for clicks.
"Sheeetzzz" 😛
@@relaxationmusicbodyandmind6265 there's literally a video of someone shouting "no, we're not" after she screams out "r u ready" so it's clear some people were definitely not cheering
There’s multiple videos showing how dead the crowd was in real time, and people getting up to use the bathroom/snacks. If anything that performance has been analyzed from every angle and POV and the results say it’s giving lackluster
You didn't touch on that Leigh-Anne was really supportive of & featured in the mental health documentary that Jesy made. Leigh-Anne made her own documentary on racism in the pop industry & Jesy didn't give it any support, wasn't in it & when asked about if she talked to Leigh-Anne about their shared (yet different) struggles said no because Leigh-Anne was better at handling it (racism). So when Jesy was sat there laughing at Minaj's horrible comments, it left a bad taste in everyone's mouth in the UK. Because of the hypocrisy after the strong impact Jesy's documentary on bullying had in the UK. Leading to people on TikTok unearthing Jesy's lack of support for Leigh-Anne documentary and numerous clips going viral of Jesy being rude or unkind to Leigh-Anne while in Little Mix. And then shortly after this Jesy gave a really bad performance at the Jingle Ball in Christmas.
Not to mention people in the UK were clowning that Jesy wrote a song about 'Bad Boys' while approaching 30, having dated famously not gangsta men, & redoing Diddys gentrification theme from his original song as a white women from Essex.
It's hard to quantify just how much she was being clowned in the UK and burned her public from being the face of anti-bullying & body positivity to being seen as a bully. Its doubtful she'll be able to turn that around & the UK was where her fan base was strongest, Little Mix never managed to have a massive hold in the US.
Leigh-Anne literally did the bare minimum in Jesy's documentary, so I'd say Leigh got her just desserts. What 'friend' sits on a beach, talks about trauma like that and doesn't act emotionally fazed whilst Perrie & Jade were trying their hardest not to ball their eyes out. Also, Perrie didn't take part in the documentary as well as Jesy. They didn't need to, because they are both White.
@@bb-cv5bd She could have at least tried to seem to care, instead of being cold and distant. The fact she was also just sitting on a beach was disrespectful, instead of in a more formal and respectable setting like inside a building.
@@bb-cv5bd You shouldn't have a formal, serious interview in a setting like a beach. It comes off as if the issue she is talking about isn't that important, and that she'd rather be having fun on the beach than talking about Jesy's issues, which is rude.
most of us mixers would've still been supporting her if she'd stop black fishing and let's not forget, she stood by while the only black member Leigh-Anne got so much hate for being black and didn't speak out. She's white and a lot of mixers thought she was at least part black
I did too, I don’t know why people can’t just embrace their natural skin tone and culture
I thought perrie was the only white member in the group 💀
@@atinyamone3024 exactly my point and I thought this too 💀😭
I didn't
I dont think she stood by at all when Leigh-Anne was getting hate. There isn't any proof of it. She said in an interview that she wasn't familiar with the kind of comments that Leigh-Anne got because they were about race, while the comments Jesy got were about appearance. She also said she thought Leigh handled hate better than her.
Other than that interview, there isn't any proof of any other instances where this could have happened.
She seemed like she was trying whatever she can to feel like a victim like she makes it seem like she was the only band member who got bullied online and had to deal with problems like girl you weren’t and then it’s like she thought the bullying would stop if she a solo artist and then she tried to make the other girls look bad and then she was black fishing on top of that
@@richmaxmchalliwchester1984 The thing is, the other girls problems weren't as bad as what she went through. If what happened to them affected them as much, if at all, they would have all attempted suicide once as well.
@@richmaxmchalliwchester1984 Well, I could easily say Leigh and Jade's beliefs are all in their heads too. Leigh-Anne may be the least favourite, but there is ALWAYS gonna be a favourite and least favourite in a band, she can't control that, no-one else complains about that. Also, people always showed love for her as well, and only she thought she was missed out. Jade was never judged by anyone, most fans didn't know of her origins, most fans thought Jade was white. Perrie however, definitely had the second worst experience out of the 4.
P.S Deleting Social Media and Therapy doesn't always help. Most therapists suck at their jobs, and even make things worse. Antidepressants literally make things worse. So, no, Jesy couldn't change anything to help herself.
Jesy walked away she should have done it when she first tried to end her life. But she stayed cause of the fans. She should not have cause it is as if she was never in the band. I am glad Jesy left she was the odd one out. The others had issues as well. However how many bad videos do you see about the other 3....That alone is a sign..
@@relaxationmusicbodyandmind6265 You do realise if Jesy had left in 2013/2014, Little Mix wouldn't have made it to 10 years, they would have made 1 more album then disband like 5H did. It's VERY rare for a group that has a member leave so early on to survive. Even the Spice Girls fell apart after 2 years when Geri left.
@@relaxationmusicbodyandmind6265 Only a few channels that support Jesy make videos, because most are afraid of getting cancelled. But ironically, most of the UA-camrs who support Jesy, are Black or POCs.
She should have gone solo but have the backing of her group, like how a girl group like Blackpink would go solo but still have each other or like chlöe x halle, they didn't leave the group but have a solo with the backing and help of their team mates.
I think it’s easier to just leave the group when you were easily handed your success. Little mix was on the XFactor UK, so they were given a platform. Not saying they didn’t work hard but maybe not as hard as a BTS who’s had an unknown label. So maybe it’s easier for them to just leave bcuz they didn’t have to put in hard work to get to where they are. When you go through a tough time trying to find success you create a strong bond which BTS does. I love little mix but they never seemed to be truly a family. Hope I made sense ☀️
@@Josy5527167 as a army n blink why r u bringing bts n bp into this???? Little mix worked hard to achieve their longevity n relevancy. Yess it's easy to get a platform but it's rlly hard to maintain that platform 😕. I understand ur reference to bts but bp???? Yg literally handed them everything n they never struggled with fame yess they worked hard to get where they're but still they're privileged
@@Josy5527167 honestly them coming from xfactor doesn't mean shit, how many people do you remember from xfactor and then tell me how many are still relevant today? What little mix achieved was very impressive, especially for a girl group.
@@Josy5527167 I think "working hard" isn't enough to be successful as a singer. There's many groups like D-Crunch for example that work hard and are very underrated. Yes some things will give you a head-start and some work harder than others but also I don't think that's relevant. They were brought up differently as singers. In kpop, trainees train together, after they debut they live together for years even decades, etc. Can't really compare western groups to kpop groups. When you look at Boys World, they're a western group but with the same singer upbringing as the kpop style so they "feel" like a family. But that's again irrelevant in this conversation. You either release good music or you don't. Group fandoms aren't enough to support you as a solo singer. Everyone need GP attention to an extent
@@detroitvinyl not saying little mix didn’t. I’m a little mix fan, I grew up listening to them.
Was just giving an example.
I really have a little sympathy for people who were bullied and then turn around and become bullies themselves.
Same. Pieing Off the most ethnic member that stuck up & included her to gain points from playing poor little jesy to the public
Left music group due to c0mPaRioNs only to still do music diving headfirst into the main complaint of her benefiting off stereotypical ethnicity with a person that is such ethnic when convenient
True. It's tragic.
Victims become bullies.
Psychology 101.
How did jesy become a bully? Lmao what even. She has literally never said a bad thing about the girls, not even once
@@martina-dd6vb Have you even bothered to check online?
i love ot3 to death and honestly hate everything she has done since she went solo but gotta admit that jesy was a great and vital performancer in little mix. was just listening their love on the brain cover and she was fantastic. she had so much potential. and she had empathy and love from longtime lm fans (like me) and gp after she left. shame how everything turned out tbh.
She was clearly amazing in a group and her sultry voice added good balance, but she was hella selfish even before departing which made me dislike her even more.
@@_linlin_ oh i agree
either way little mix sucks and jesy
She really went from being one of the best in the group to the worst. She has talent but she needs to get her mental health together and get a new team asap!
The way she left the group was unexpected and just… weird. I don’t think she was strong enough as an artist to be able to have a successful solo career. Looking at one direction (who were way bigger than LM) most of them are struggling to keep a solo career that is successful. Also didn’t help that in the beginning she said she was “leaving the industry” and then came back w a solo… Leigh, Perrie and Jade will always have my heart
She literally never said she was leaving the industry though.
@@tjsquibbofficial she said she want a break from the spotlight for the sake of her mental health
I feel like if her new team actually loved her, they would’ve stepped in & been like “yeah maybe this song & all these PR stunts aren’t a great idea”
I assumed that her team are all yes-men which could explain why they allowed her to do these stuff.
Another weird thing that might be interesting to you guys: During this drama, Ms. Jessica Nelson was spotted with (and allegedly flirted with) Leigh-Anne's ex boyfriend, Lucien Laviscount, and then blamed it on the being buzzed. First she took 'inspiration', if that's what you wanna call it, from Leigh-Anne's race, and then she took inspiration from Leigh-Anne's pool of exes. She really needs to find herself.
when you think about it, jealousy & obsession is all she ever felt for leighanne. You see it in interviews and videos of them from years ago.
The amount of memes that came from this one performance is hilarious 😭🤣.
And my next auto-pay video is one of those memes 💀
I absolutely love Nicki, I find her career and path to success mesmerizing, however I find it conflicting how she doesn’t take a second to think about anything. The beef she started with little mix was so un called for and so childish. A person at the level of success she is at should not be using their platform like that, it’s simply embarrassing. I don’t want to portray her as the bad guy because like I said I love this woman, she is so fkn talented but in this situation she definitely is.
Agreed. Luv Nicki but really stuff like this should be handled behind the scenes
true as a barb nicki is a smart women and says what she needs to say with reason; however i think she should've not bothered to say anything, especially on live and start drama.
I like her music too but she meses up a lot with her mouth and that sometimes makes me not want to even listen to her music,the whole live situation was just so unnecessary even if she wanted to help Jesy,she probably only heard one side of the story and even if she heard both she had nothing to do with any of it is just sad and she is always doing things like this I really don't understand her ..🤷🏾♀️
yeh it's a real shame because she says alot of the right things and she's incredible and important. buuuut she also has a knack for doing shit that completely drags her down. im becoming so tired of her as of late. and she hasn't been popping musically like she did either, her place in the industry is getting smaller. from defending/promoting rapists to tearing down leigh-anne, a fellow black woman, for a racist white woman ugh. what's worse is that she collabed with lm, and those girls stood beside her during her hate train, and all it took was one mediocre pop song for her to shit on her own community.
@@littlelou050 facts!!👍🏾
As a mixer since 2017, I think Jesy didn't prepare well for her solo career. For starters, she started saying she was taking a break from the group to take care of her mental health, but a few months later she appears in a studio producing music. Soon after, she releases a very generic song, her controversy with blackfishing, that useless live where Nicki mocked Leigh Anne and Jesy was laughing, and finally that horrible performance at the Jingle Bell Ball. Jesy is very talented, and she has demonstrated this many times when she was in Little Mix. But she needs to review some of her conduct if she doesn't want to see her solo career being ruined.
It’s sad as their album such as salute and lm5 I think really shows that they are not just pop and show how versatile they are but their labels would only promote songs that’s were the image they wanted for the group and not necessarily what the members want
Salute and lm5 are pop af. Their songs, their looks, how they talk, what they talk and everything about them is generic and bland and hos no real edge. even when they tried to create that dark pop sound it. Was just childs level with some "dark magic" childish stupid shit. their fans were little girls that grew up and doesn't care about this childish pop music without much depth. compare them to pink floyd, The shangri-las, Even destiny's chils or maneskin and you'll see how fucking generic their music is
@@jovytas6989 Yh I know but they aren’t bubblegum pop that they get shoe horned into
She thought she could pull off a 'Camila' stunt hahaha
I personally really like Jesy's voice and singing style, I think it's soulful. She can convey emotion and can sound sexy too... It's a shame, she could have gone in many different directions.
The issue is simply her behavior and choices. I don't know if she will ever get another chance, but she would need a much better media management and to build a new persona completely different from how she presents herself today.
It seemed to me that her main problem is that she has a victim complex that has blinded her judgement and ability to see herself and her relationships critically and objectively. Her pain and trauma are valid, but she needs to stop blaming others or the world for everything, take more accountability for her own life and stop projecting her insecurities and resentment into others, specially people who have loved and supported her.
She wants only yes people around who focus on her needs, because her ego is bruised, but that's distorting her empathy for other people's struggle... And the difficult thing is to do all this emotional work without becoming too overly critical and hateful to herself neither. She really has to stay away from collaborators (or boyfriends) that are problematic or a bad influence or just agreeing with her on everything. And have crew that is gentle but more aware and down to earth, people who will tell her if she has a bad idea and keep her feet on the ground.
She's also clinging to the past, she needs to be more present on doing/feeling better now. There's a part of her that is begging for understanding, attention and validation, admiration... But she's not gonna get that until she matures, maybe never.
Also, I know she likes dancing and wanted to be recognized as a certain type of performer... But, i think, if she wants to build an audience that feels connected to her... She would need to start with music that is more lyrically and sonically vulnerable, or that has a more compelling genuine story.
It all went down in a very pitiful and distasteful way... It was hard to watch. It's just... Sad. And disappointing.
@Mr RED ?
@Mr RED i just didn't understood your comment
@Mr RED oh... I'm not sure what that "world scroll" expression means... But I assume you're complaining about my comment being too long. Idk what to say about that.
Her key failure is she can't laugh at herself and isn't self aware at all. Then her second failure is her refusal to learn and grow which is really offputting to Gen Z who should be her natural fanbase. Thirdly it's a really bad look to say "I couldn't make the hip-hop inspired music I wanted to make when I was in Little Mix" because that reads as "I couldn't act as black as I wanted to when I was in a group with 2 biracial girls while I'm white".
It's a real shame as she would've got more support if it wasn't for the whole blackfishing thing and that tan comment she made on live with Nicki, I wonder if she'll be able to bounce back
I see what you did there😏🤭
@@Ella-px1xw me too 😏
@@Ella-px1xw That honestly wasn't even intentional but yeah 😂
@Kat Brown It was decent but she seems to have tarnished her rep but time will tell
I feel like the fans all felt pretty betrayed by her because Little Mix were supposed to be best friends, and so when Nicki shaded the girls and when Jesy was talking about how she never really liked what they did in the group it felt like she was being very disloyal. When Camila, for example, left Fifth Harmony and when they all broke up it wasn’t surprising at all, you could tell that they didn’t get along. But with LM, the girls who were like sisters, having one of them shading the others really left a bad taste in everybody’s mouth. Though I do also think there were people praying for her downfall just because she left the group, it’s what happens when you leave a VERY passionate fanbase (and you are not a fan favourite like Camila or Zayn), a lot of people were waiting for her to do something wrong, to fail so they could turn their backs on her and well she didn’t make it hard.
You clearly forgot that Jesy (and even the rest of LM) have spoke out against songs they've done that they hate (i.e Oops, Black Magic), even whilst in the group.
@@tjsquibbofficial that‘s fair but I think it was more about how she said it. She didn’t say “there are some particular songs that I don’t like”, she was speaking like she never liked anything they did, even the clothes they wore. And I doubt that on her 10 years in the group she really hated every single song, in fact Boyz was super similar to something LM could have done in LM5, is it really a style that she couldn’t have done in the group? Also I don’t know what was going on behind the scenes but they had a lot of control in LM5 and Confetti so if she wanted to she could have had more input in those albums and, at least as far as I know, she chose not to, the ones that worked the most on those albums were Jade and Leigh, if she really hated what they did that much why didn’t she try to be more on the creative process when she finally could?
@@valeriam6248 By the time she could have control, I feel like Jade & Leigh were TOO established as the main Songwriters of the group. Also, in terms of the style, her outfits in her solo career and pre debut looks are very different to her LM looks. She had to change to be more cohesive with the other girls, even if it meant her forcing herself into corsets. Also, if you think about it, Perrie never had much creative control either, I'm pretty sure she has less song credits than Jesy even.
@@tjsquibbofficial but then it goes back to the disappointment of: weren’t they friends? If they were best friends she should have been able to say that she wanted to write as well, and this is just something we’ll never know, it’s a matter of who you believe and I honestly doubt that if she asked they would have told her no. And yeah Perrie barely writes but idk what that has to do with anything? (Not trying to be rude lol genuine question) She’s never said that she didn’t like their music (except particular songs) or anything of the sort, songwriting just isn’t what she brings to the group. And yeah I get that maybe her style didn’t totally align with theirs, it was just an example of the fact that she started talking badly about literally everything (but again even then I do feel like in the last years you could really see everybody’s style and I don’t think her style is so crazy that she wouldn’t be able to wear it).
It was bitter-sweet when Jesy left, cause I didn't want her too, but I was still happy she chose herself and her health. However when she diminished the other girls struggles and just acknowledged her own it was simply wrong. Not even mentioning the live, but even when she said Leigh had it easier than her, talking to Jade telling her she stays skinny when she knew she had an ED and was still struggling, and focusing on how anxious she was when Perrie too was suffering from a bad anxiety was just disrespectful. It may have felt like it, but you were never alone. When you are down you do look at the bad, but saying that those girls were not there for you when they literally stop a live broadcast on bbc one because she was having a panic attack and Perrie sang her part without rehearsing it, that screams support to me. I hope that she realise and admits to her mistakes and of course apologies, because loosing people that really care about you sucks, especially when you loose them because of your lowest low.
Another thing was the disastrous Jingle Bell Ball performance… Just added to the dogpiling on her when it came to criticism of her talent/performance skills
So confusing to me how she said she wanted to do something new and fresh and then released the most generic song for her solo debut.
She with her bad boyz now 💔 fly high jesy’s career 🕊
Stop 😭💀
can’t believe she used to be my fave little mix member 💀 i was distraught when she left
Same, she had so many opportunities due to little mix and somehow foiled most of them for no good reason.
same 😭 she was my favorite along with leigh😢
I like how Jesse always brings up how she was picked on in the group as if the only black girl in the group wasn’t picked on or didn’t experience racism. Chile 🙄😒
I remember when Jesy made insensitive comments towards Jade, calling her skinny and saying she doesn't gain weight. Jade's gone to the hospital due to her ED in the past yet Jesy, as her friend, still thought it was okay to say those things just to feel more validated while talking about how its unfair that the girls 'don't put on any weight' on IG live. It's wild how tone-deaf her off-handed comments towards the girls could be.
I didn’t care about the song or video, I think it’s a decent throwback but nothing special.
The issue is that she’s not likeable and it kinda shows through her art. The girl needs to show real personality to shine.
It’s been two years and Jesy hasn’t released her album yet…
Im mad at Nicki for shading Leigh Ann, cuz shes my favorite member. Nicki preaches about how black women shouldn't bring down other black women and here she go.
That live with Nicky was very painful to watch. I felt like Jesy was just there smiling awkwardly not knowing how to react to Nicky's sudden shade throwing. I still think Jesy should of course quit the blackfishing and accept the critizism, but I feel like Nicky was the one who made this whole situation so hostile.
The thumbnail is sending me✋🏽✋🏽
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Right 😂
It was so stupid for Nicki to say that. Like why?? It had nothing to do with her? But of course her fans will deflect smh.
Jest Nelson’s rollout was so sad but fun to watch
Mhm....everyone says the most bs until it happens to them
It was a fascinating pop culture trainwreck I agree
She couldn't wait to get out and go down the most generic route. Adding mediocre hiphop artists and going full Timberlake and Beiber is old hat and it's hard to see if she'll come out well from this. Then again Robbie Williams had a god awful start to his pop career and he ended up bigger than the boyband he left.
i honestly forgot about her💀
Solo she’s forgettable
Clout chasers are easy to forget.
@@Aquarius_Judge yup same with manipulativers which is what jesy is
the audacity.
you can watch many interviews where the girls all cater to jesy.
They added her into conversations, they made sure she had her turn off answering questions, they where there for her when people made fun her looks, they complimented her. They loved her and she SPAT on them all because the girls still were getting more attention. the way she showed her true self when she left and spoke about "how unfairly" she was treated. She's victamising herself tp give herself promotion and it only backfired onto herself.
she has an amazing voice but, fame blew her head up. she reminds me of Khloe k before the surgeries jealous of Kim and kourtney for being smaller.
wising her the best and hope that she apologises to the girls especially Leigh Anne.
Little mix wrote songs about real shit. Female empowerment. They are the longest running female pop group even before they are taking a hiatus
Groups like En Vogue, Bananarama, The Chicks (formerly Dixie Chicks) have been around longer, they just stopped being super duper famous over time.
She reminds me of the British girl that tried to do the Jamaican accent on that one video clip…and seeing her teenage photos versus her current choice in makeup and wigs, it’s DEFINITELY giving blackfishing/ culture vulture/ appropriation 🫤🤷🏽♀️
That is her 😭😭😭 she went viral for that horrible Jamaican accent.
Jesy is dope and Little Mix is one of the best selling girl groups so the hype for her was definitely there, but that song was not it and the blackfishing/drama controversy with Leigh-Anne made things worse cause it meant black women wouldn’t listen to her much and the hip hop instrumental would turn away her fans who prefer her pop sound.
Jesy stans! I plead with you, hold her to a higher standard and hold her accountable because she will never learn otherwise and will end up ruining her career entirely. I'm not a fan but I know she can sing. Please hold this woman accountable, like the rest of us do, and help your idol become a better person and better artist. We know she has the potential.
Nicki definitely made things worse for her. Her talking mess about the members just was awful. I also find it funny that Jes featuring a well know rapper (Nicki) didn't do nothing to help her in the long. That's sad. For both of them.
5:36 - not nineties... noughties. Early 2000s "bling era"
I'm genuinely curious to see if she can come back from this...Her voice was always my favorite of Little Mix, but for some reason she put on this bad Camilla Cabello impression for her first single
Literally the only reason I follow her on Instagram.
Jungle booble will forever remain chaotically iconic 🤧🤧🤧
Not only was she not mentally ready but the song “Boyz” just sucked. She should’ve waited longer and worked with songwriters more until she had a real solid banger to debut with.
I think the n-word situation from 2019
Is part of the problem too 🤷🏽♀️
Blocking black fans for calling out your behavior
her actions from that definitely did something
I wish women would tone down their makeup and put it on skillfully.
Heavy makeup is such a nightmarish look that doesn’t suit anyone.
Jesy Nelson is a typical example of people who use ‘mental health’ as an excuse to gaslight people into feeling sorry for them and to get their own way. She used it as an excuse to launch a solo career and ride the great PR wave Little Mix had in 2020 and it’s totally backfired on her. Karma is real!
Jesy's emotive, husky voice would work with RnB ballads and mid tempos, so when she came out with Boyz...it was just awful and then the controversy...she really needs a deep dive of constant therapy because I think she's in a victim mentality which has destroyed a great friendship/sisterhood and debut on top of the trauma and depression from serious online hate...but I'll still check on her every now and then...
Love jesys vocals and I’m gonna miss little mix ♥️
She's the liam payne of LITTLE MIX
I CAME HERE TO SAY THIS LMAOOOOO
Lol okay she's not THAT bad. . .yet.
@@DeeL3 Not that bad just bullied her friend black fishing...
@@joey1909 So laughing is considered bullying now-? At worst, she was a Bystander.
@@tjsquibbofficial yeah it's bulling
Screams insecurity and problematic. She put it out there that she needed time to gather herself mentally -- well the universe has responded. May she use the time wisely to better herself.
it makes no sense why she left little mix because of her "mental health" to then go and become a solo artist. her doing that is acually increasing her chances of the hate because she is by herself! and now shes trying to make the others feel bad when they helped her and supported her and helped her get to where she is for her to leave and try to make a load of drama of it like lets be honest this song is just another average song that everyone has heard before. "i dont think anyone is going to expect this" " this is the music ive always wanted to make" it sounds exactly like a song that little mix would do. i think she just wanted more spotlight (which makes zero sense bc it increases the hate), she wanted more money. also she is saying how her previous team was bad but she is even more scandalous and half naked in this mv? and she made a whole documentary about how she was bullied and here the hypocrit is doing the exact same thing to her bandmates who did nothing to her ?
Sorry if this is long
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always loved Little Mix since I was 12, Jesy was my favorite member in the group because I loved her caring and funny personality, when she made a documentary about being fat shamed and bullied on the media , I felt kinda like I can related to her because I was also fat shaming as well and she was of the members I can relate the most a well , she would tell fans to be happy with their bodies no matter what but when she left the group , drop her first debut single , did a live stream Nicki , it’s shocked me because Nicki was bullying and dragging Leigh Anne while Jesy just stood there and then nothing happened but just laughed .
It’s like Jesy doesn’t want to be judged , criticized or want people to be mean to her and only emphasize and support ( love ) her , but when she watches Nicki bully Leigh Anne and dragged the living life out of Leigh , she just laughs about it and does nothing about it , doesn’t even stand up for one of her sister’s for life , but when she gets bullied she cries and she’s like “ Don’t Bully me “ “ I just want this to end “but when she see one of her band members or others get bullied , she stands there and do nothing and just laugh even though Leigh Anne and the rest of the girls love her so much it’s like Jesy thinks it’s not enough, Leigh Anne has faced racism for years and she supported jesy for being fat shamed online and jest didn’t even support Leigh while she was being a victim of racism and just said “ she’s better a dealing it than I am “
Like jesy has a very strong victim mentality mind-set and I hope This stops now
I just hope her next single is better and gets far away from the black fishing thing and with good lyrics not just singing about a Bad Boy
I love Jesy not matter what and Girls as well 💜💜but seeing Leigh Anne being bullied by Nicki is just Too Much
Sometimes I wish we lived in an alternate timeline where Camila and Jesy never left their groups where both had healthy environments.
True! 5H would probably still be together and have way more albums if they had been given creative control and weren't abused along with being able to do Solo projects at the same time. Little Mix would just be vibing if the Labels and Media weren't evil.
since they already comment what i was thinking, im just going to say...I hope she take this as an learning experience and comeback better then ever,we know she got the talent and the vocals for it
If this new album gets released, it will be a decider whether she will make it in the music industry as solo artist. She is looking for instant fame, targeting the young generation as the core listeners. I am intrigued what the writers come up with. I have a feeling I won't enjoy the album release, especially when I did not like Boyz single. I will keep an open mind when the new album drops.
Admittedly I don't know much about this band, but what I was aware of was the other girls being incredibly vocally supportive of Jessy when she was body shamed by the media... for her to basically spit on them now is very dissapointing. Especially since she's white, and it seems like some of the girls in the band aren't, so she should be first and foremost listening to them on racial issues. That video seems almost full on blackface at a certain point tbh, bet she's gonna go the miley cyrus route of deciding to drop all the black culture she previously tried to exploit as soon as it benefits her to.
Jessy has a strong voice that she could just stand and sing. Not many artists can do that nowadays and that would have been refreshing to see. She doesn't need all the extras added.
She's been a dancer since she was 10, why should she waste that talent as well-?
It's kinda tragic because she has a REALLY nice and strong voice. I never knew that until recently
Everything she gave felt forced and that’s why she flopped… I summed that up in 30 seconds
It's her blacklisting and gaslighting her former girl group for me. It just comes off as if she's this terrible persona AND why would someone route or support an terrible person debut?
The thumbnail is takin me out 😭😭
Her solo career doesn't make sense when you look at the explanation she gave for leaving Little Mix. She said she couldn't handle it mentally, but then went solo? It doesn't make sense.
The blackfishing is what really tanked her debut, and Nicki chiming in did not help. She had a built in fan base coming from one of the biggest girl groups of the past 20 years and she basically flipped them off by letting Nicki tear into Leigh like that.
Please review Leigh Anne’s solo career so far she’s doing amazing and is booked for a lot in October. Her second single my love is great, her say a little prayer at capital close up was a vocal statement so that must be highlighted. She is burning jesy up 🤣
"This is the music that I've always wanted to make." - Yea that NO ONE wanted to hear either.
"I'm so excited for you all to hear the next single which is coming soo . So Stay tuned..."
It's been 9 months since her debut single released. Most acts have usually followed up their first single within the first three to four months, so to strike whilst the iron is hot. For Jesy, the 9 month wait is a sign that all is not well and something is happening behind the scenes.
I think the shock of the first single bombing has prompted the record label to definitely go back to the drawing board and draw up a plan of action. If the next single flops (whenever it's released) the album will be shelved and Jesy will likely be dropped.
For someone who hates bullying she sure sent thousands of people after her ‘friends’ with that live she did. Those 3 girls did everything to support Jesy through thick & thin and were repayed with a cold shoulder & an attitude. As my mother would say, you reap what you sow.
After that live with nicki, I don't feel bad for her
jesy actually had potential after being a solo artist, but she ignored/blocked people that called her out for black fishing (even before she left the group). she lied about leigh anne not calling her out about her blackfishing (she contradicted herself so quickly) and then nicki was also apart of the reason why her solo flopped. fans have claimed that jesy has changed but she looks darker than a lot of poc, like myself. she needs to educated herself.
What’s crazy is I had no idea she was WHITE, her before and after pic are crazy
@Idontknow-br6me i had NO IDEA i was so shocked too
Can u make a video of JADES debut please :)
Nicki being vicious to someone who did nothing to her and wasn't part of the conversation is just who she is. Totally expected. She is just darkness and pettiness inside. Go pay your brother and husband's legal bills, and stay away from young women. You and your family are a threat to them.
U jus a hater none of that shit is true as far as family goes.
Jessy did stood out in little mix but in a good way. She had a different type of voice and body. I loved her in little mix as i could relate to her. But unfortunately (MY personal opinion) going solo and the way she went solo, ruined her own career.
Agreed. I used to look up to her so much and I was absolutely in awe of her and she self sabotaged herself and her career
They treat jesy like a sister but jesy betrayed them
This has aged even more poorly considering Diddy and Nicki’s controversies.
so embarrassed and sad that nicki was apart of this and still confused how jesy managed to get her and diddy??
That to me made me lose some respect for Nicki, she has an opportunity to support any upcoming artist out there and she chose to co-sign on this??
Wasn't Nicki mean towards Leigh-Anne?
At first,I was really appalled by Jesy`s behavior towards her bandmates,especially Leigh,as I`ve had a very different picture of them in my mind.It`s the reason why I followed them since their X Factor days.But then I stopped to actually think,considering the backdrop of this industry and...I don`t think it`s too far fetched for me to feel like this is all drama created for both sides to be promoted.Jesy was coming out with her first single,around which time all the members unfollowed her.On the other hand,the girls were coming out with new songs.I hate to say this but all publicity is good publicity as long as you stay in people`s minds.Her memes are still being shared online and Little Mix are still prospering in their own endeavors.Not only this,but their song about cutting off Jesy was great and a good hit for them too.I don`t know.
Everything was messy when the rest of their career wasn`t,which in hindsight also adds to my suspicions.
If you noticed they barely said anything at all about Jesy. Even when the public didn't know the messy way she left, they still thanked her at awards shows. They proved its better to speak through the music.
@@heresqueenie Yet, Leigh was all up in someone’s DM’s calling Jesy a horrible person.
@@heresqueenie if you noticed, Jesy was always saying positive things about them, and then Jade proceeded to block her and shade her on national television, and then Leigh anne proceeds to DM an influencer calling her a horrible person. And then Perrie proceeded to unfollow everyone on Jesy's team the day Boyz came out.
The Leigh “dms” were fake. That’s what makes the nicki/Jesy live even more fringy
@L P they were proven real
the only thing i think nicki could have done to avoid that live was do some research before that whole thing, im pretty sure that nicki just went off of what jesy told her
The problem I have with her words is that she keep saying no one care about her mental health during her days in the group, but the main point for Little Mix is the genuine friendship between members as the true "girl power" ( which she repeatedly confirm to the press is real and she said it herself she has very good relationship with all three other girls). Her struggle is definitely real and deserves sympathy and respect, but the way she handling her PR relationship after going solo is truly shady and it does give ppl second thought about her credibility.
She should have never had social media. It made her more insecure