A huge thanks to Tritium for taking us on a deeper dive of their products. Sometimes I want to say “Kyle shut up!” and let them explain the magic. Occasionally, just occasionally, I get too excited and talk too much. More to come with these guys at some point in the future. Loving the PKM system with that DC micro grid 👌
@KyleConner what you haven't talked too much about is your sub-$25K used EV series that went dark. I still want to see what car is purchased after watching all of those various videos....
Hey I would love if you did a video where you go to an EA station fill it up and all the cars at 10% and see what that experience with multiple vehicle compare to their natural charging curve
It's interesting that Tritium is held in such high regard elsewhere in the world. Here in Australia, where their chargers are the most deployed in the country, their name is dogsh*t. Nothing works, they're constantly broken & cannot be relied upon at all in any way shape or form. I genuinely don't get why people drink the Tritium CoolAid - one Australian ev road trip would fix this once & for all.
@@onw123 I met Robert Llewellyn at a charger on the Hume Hwy when we both turned up to charge. He made the same comment that Tritium are highly regarded everywhere but in Australia. Perhaps we have more of their earliest models where any little thing going wrong takes out the whole charger, something they have now designed around.
Love seeing Australian engineers solving complex problems, we are lucky enough to have some brilliant minds in this country, so pleased for Tritium. Great stuff
So cool, there’s something really invigorating about watching people nerd out on things they are passionate about😁 Understood 10% of what was said, but I dug the video. Same with your video of the ChargePoint tour. On paper, I shouldn’t have enjoyed it, because I didn’t understand most of the tech talk, but I watched the whole thing and was riveted. I have to think that I am speaking for a lot of your viewers here....the big appeal is your talent at tying your enthusiasm, your intellect and your EV knowledge into a relaxed presentation that even novices can enjoy. Not an easy thing to orchestrate man
I had no idea Tritium went this far. I remember back in 1999-2003 working with them on the telemetry and motor controller modules for my school’s solar car. This is really awesome!
I like the FRU approach and how it is broken up into specific roles. Yes, you need to carry more modules but based on field failures you only have to produce and repair the modules that actually fail. Much better than a central module failing due to one aspect of its function and causing the whole thing being replaced and repaired.
Actually, the 25kwh charger is far more interesting. A real win for restaurants and small shopping centres where the last thing you want from an end user experience is to be fretting over going back to your car to move it. So more 25s over 50s is excellent. I know 22kw AC is a thing but very few cars come with it but every car today can handle 25kw DC. 25kwh DC is a real killer product and I have a feeling way more of those will be installed in way more locations. Very exciting and king overdue news
distribution is really important. With good diversity of supply I’m curious what CPOs plan in terms of cables per MW grid feed. So eg if 1MW feed you don’t have 6-8 150kw units, you could potentially have double or even triple that amount as you’re not getting everyone starting a max charge at exactly the same time
The PKM design is really interesting. I was not clear on if the 950v DC buss can be shared across multiple blocks of 4 dispensers. It sounds like it can which would make this even more modular and scalable than Tesla's Gen 3 superchargers. It's a similar concept but the ability to pull power off the buss and regulate it at the dispenser level seems like a revolutionary step. I assume this design will also improve charging productivity during high usage because it allows you to max out the available rectification capacity (something Kyle touched on with the 51kw example). Cool stuff. Thanks
It's very different to Tesla Gen 3 because all the DC-DC throttling is still done at the charge handle dispenser stall. This process done at the dispenser stall allows for more flexibility at the cost of bigger bulkier power electronics at the dispenser stall. AFIK Supercharger V3 does not have power electronics at the dispenser stall, it's just handles cable liquid cooling and human interface handle holder. This is a great compromise as the DC-DC only stall doesn't seem too big to cause problems.
With systems like this, nobody will have reason to complain about Bolts clogging up chargers; they'll be able to trickle charge all the way to 100% and have no impact on anybody else.
That's a really clever design. I wonder how scalable the solution is and if it ends up being more reliable having separation between the sites in case one has an issue. Like the Tesla V3 situation, if you would go 1 rectifier cabinet to 4 dispensers at a large site or just load it all up, 4+ rectifier cabinets all with a common bus to 16, 24, 48 dispensers, however big they can do!
I would like to see a EV charging site isolated from the Grid i.e. remote, where the Solar PV is directly powering the DC car charging. Seems only one company so far is doing this would be good if more could make this available. There are so many locations where charging is needed at a remote site and usually plenty of solar is available. Some battery capacity may also be useful and keeping everything at the DC level dramatically improves energy efficiency and makes more kWh available for the $s.
G’day, Tritium had 350kW chargers for a couple of years, and had a similar design to the 50kW units. IONITY in Europe had been using them till they start using their own designed units that are build by ABB and well yes, Tritium.
Yea it also surprised me that they didn’t mention actual fast charging in a word when the 350 kW chargers were their USP for the first years. I worked on those for a while and have the admit the engineering from service and maintenance point of view is just a nightmare. You‘d think this was a students project. Very tight spaces, not nice to work on at all. There are much better alternatives meanwhile when it comes to that.
You know a company is on the right track when they have the confidence to show off the inside of the cabinet (and it doesn't look like a cobweb of cables inside). Closed loop cooling is definitely the way to go. I definitely agree with Kyle that not everything needs to be 300KW+. Hell restaurants and movie theaters should be installing way more 80 amp level 2 chargers for free just to bring in business. It might cost a couple dollars max per customer gained, which is nothing on the typical $100 sit down meal or family movie theater experience.
Thanks, Kyle! That's a fairly interesting design for the PKM, but I'm surprised at the volume and complexity of hardware required for what is essentially a DC-DC rectifier. If I'm understanding the technology correctly, this is essentially doing the same thing that a DC motor controller would do on an EV, only instead of feeding variable voltage and current to a motor, it's feeding it to the car's battery. By comparison, a continuous 150 kW DC motor controller is much smaller, and it's something that an individual can easily pick up and move around.
This looks like the kind of architecture which DCFC systems should be using. One item not discussed: on-site battery storage. Can site battery modules be installed to allow for higher peak charging than is supported by the incoming grid connection?
We just got one of those 75kW at our local supermarket. Also 2 11kW AC, which was the maximum the site could do without major new lines dug down. But it is fine for the traffic to that site and are meant mostly for people going shopping anyway so 50kw is good.
Interestingly the guys who started Tritium were student engineers in the Solar car race challenge Darwin to Adelaide. Tesla’s critical founding member JB Straubel was also a student engineer participating with a team in this race.
I think some units have been installed but not many because Tritium discontinued that model. They have a new 400 kw model in development that will start manufacturing later this year.
Hey I would love if you did a video where you go to an EA station fill it up and all the cars at 10% and see what that experience with multiple vehicle compare to their natural charging curve
with a DC feed... seems it would be pretty easy to put a battery in the middle of this setup as well? Battery would suck from the DC feed when undersubscribed and put out energy when over subscribed or when surge charging hits...
I would further add the reliability issue. As Tesla has set the standard for charging reliability I would like to see what other manufacturers are doing to meet and exceed Tesla's benchmark? Please are the hard questions to get answers please.
Australian EV driver here: At this stage the vast majority of DCFCs here are Tritium made and both reliability and repair times are pretty much a disaster and a main reason to buy a Tesla (as they have the super reliable SuC network). Please, please, please fix those issues, you are the world wide no 2 supplier of charging infrastructure and as such you just have to do way better.
I love your interviews with the hardware and network providers. They give a glimpse at what might be coming. Sadly, the lead time for installations is soooo long in the US that we won't be seeing these anytime soon. I'd like to know more about the Tesla drop in units like they use at Buc-ees but Tesla is too tight lipped to talk to you. Thanks for these great insights.
You will probably see these popping up everywhere shortly. Tritium has just built a factory in Tennessee which is the biggest after Tesla’s, with a capacity of 30k units per year. By the end of this year they will be at over 10k units per year run rate.
Great interview! Seem like a cool bunch of people at Tritium. I’d love to know about their charging network up time? I know they have sold chargers to 3rd party network operators, but surely they still have viability and connectivity to their chargers? In Australia the 50kW Tritium branded chargers are often offline and faulted. It makes the end user lose a lot of trust in them. I hope their next generation product is more reliable. Even Tesla Bjorne had some recent troubles with Tritium in Norway.
I feel like Australia is a bit of a weird edge case given that Tritium, a Brisbane based company, supplies the same hardware all over the world yet Australia's sites are cited more often as faulty. Might be down to the lack of investment in charging infrastructure and lack of incentive to proactively maintain current sites. Not only that but as with any network operator, it's not necessarily up to the manufacturer to maintain the installed equipment. I tend to think of it like blaming a desktop PC brand for not fixing computers in an internet cafe. Owners may not bother calling support for a failed machine and simply tell you to try the next one. Now if it was a globally common issue, or a more serious fault like frying the car, then that would be a bigger cause for concern unrelated to the network operator.
@@Funwayguy good points. It is certainly opaque where the fault lies and gets complicated who is responsible in certain scenarios. I guess that’s why Tesla charging network is so good. No one to blame. I see a lot of finger pointing online and mostly aimed at Tritium. But I guess if a municipality bought a charger and it breaks, and they don’t have the budget to fix out of warranty repairs, it will just sit there. This will tarnish all involved (including the OEM) and end up a bad experience to the end user.
Looking forward to more reliability from Tritium - we used units in NorCal recently and both Level 3 chargers crashed out over 2 days with no feedback or reason on a rented Polestar. Only vehicle on the lot charging...
Isn’t putting so much dc-dc in each dispenser more expensive than having ‘passive’ dispensers? To oversubscribed a site you really want each dispenser to be really simple and cheap, so centralise the dc so rather than having 4 dispensers per rectifier you could allow 10-12 cheap (passive) dispensers per rectifier cabinet and then do first in first out algorithm to prioritise the first vehicle to plug in and draw max load.
I bet you’re even more “happier” now with your DCFC if you’re still holding it 😂😂😂. I’m just messing with you. Things will get better as soon as they improve their productivity/cost.
I'm a new EV (Audi Etron) owner. I'd like to see a video on what equipment I should carry with the car on longer trips. What about an adaptor to charge my (CCS Etron) at a Tesla charger. I understand Tesla is adding that function but I have no idea how many and where I can use a Tesla Supercharger. I live in Ohio and chargers are few and far between unless you live in one of the big cities. I travel to Tennessee on occasion. There seem to be no chargers between Cincinnati and Knoxville according to some apps. Other show only level 2. It is all very confusing and discouraging.
Great to to see inside the chargers, wonder how the fan at the bottom handles being covered with snow, maybe its heat output will melt it, but then how will it deal with the salty water. Would it not be better to have all the electronic guts in a central protected cabinet, then just run the controlled DC to simple power posts, the power posts would be very simple and far more robust then having all this electronics near the EV. The control system does not care how long the wires are.
Tritium has been operating in Norway for a long time so I’m sure they have sorted out any snow issues. Central cabinet is good but Tritium advantage is the 1kw granularity between ports maximizing power distribution. It’s significantly more efficient at supplying power across ports.
I wonder if only EA has partnered with Tritium equipment would we be having NACS discussion? Some I guess based on 150 kW limit presently but how about usability and reliability?
Their revenue model is borked. They can only operate competitively where there are government subsidies available. Those subsidies were not available in Queensland and Tritium were forced to operate in competition with foreign manufacturers (e.g ABB, Compleo) who were subsidised in their manufacturing jurisdiction. So Tritium said “might as well join them”. Of course the Queensland government has form chasing away good jobs like this unless there are votes to be had. They are not alone
@@f_1367 you've misunderstood what was said. The advantages here relate to 950V being run through that cable as well as DC only requires 3 cables (DC+, DC- & PE), whereas AC feed needs 5 (3 per phase, 1N, 1PE)
I'm not a big fan of NACS. There's already so much CCS infrastructure out in the wild and in cars that have been sold. CCS is also the global standard. Why make car makers (who already SUCK at software) split their stack to have to support CCS in the EU and NACS in the Americas? Or worse - NACS in the US and CCS everywhere else? Let them build ONE software stack, make it GOOD, and work on making an actually good charging experience. Sure NACS is shiny and sleek and nifty lookin' but CCS has so much more room to grow and global support.
@@d3xbot NACS makes sense in the US for its advantage of being more compact than CCS1 used in N. America. CCS2 makes more sense in most of the rest of the world that has 3 phase AC power. We (in 3 phase land) like the type 2 AC plug for its versatility with single and 3 phase AC supplies and compact combination with DC pins to produce CCS2.
this does not mean anything if any of the crappy networks are not going to install it, all of this is nothing but fluffing. The reality is the CCS infrastructure sucks, 0 accountability. Imagine you are on the highway and on the last quarter tank of gas, pull to a gas station and A. all the pumps are down B. it pumps fuel at a very slow rate and charge you by the minute or C. out of fuel and online it says the pumps are open and with fuel. So until I see any of these out on the streets, available for the consumers,
Unfortunately, Tritium (an Australian company) is completely unreliable in Australia. Virtually all chargers, apart from Tesla, are Tritium and they’re notoriously unreliable here. Companies are in the process of moving away from Tritium and going to ABB and Kempower.
That is good to know. Because I am looking for a true workhorse type charger and all the ones we have in the US, except Tesla chargers, are absolute junk.
@@f_1367you probably want a charger which doesn’t use liquid cooled cables. ABB has a new 180kW charger which Circle-K is using that has 400 amp passive cables. That thing should be super reliable and only slightly slower in the real world than chargers with 500 amp liquid cooled cables like EA uses. If you don’t need that much power another vendor to look at is Flo. They’re only 200 amp but I’ve never seen one go down and that’s really saying something.
Don't know about notorious.. we simply don't have much to compare to.. and they are often single stalls which amplifiees issues. Chargefox started rolling out Tritium and ABB 350kW.. they quickly went Tritium only. Many of the units that have had issues are the older Rt50s that can be 5+ years old, and like many believe Tritium has had issues with spares, and with clients who don't budget for spares, maintenance or supply guarantees. If I look at Evie's 20+ sites in Sydney today, they are all working (though Caringbah and Guildford have one of the two stalls down). But with Kempower starting to get contracts in Australia hopefully they can perform as well as they appear to in Europe.
It could be just that we in Australia have more Tritium than anything else so we are more likely to see a dead Tritium charger. Also, we have mostly the oldest original model where any little fault killed the whole unit. The modularity discussed in the video is clearly the fix for that.
So the whole NACS thing is only about the plug, same CCS protocol same units same everything. Who wins, Tesla, who has nothing to win, the rest of the industry. If you would put a NACS socket on your CCS car you wouldn’t still be able to use the SuC network till Tesla opens it to the cars of your brand, which I suppose will happens when money is transferred to the Tesla account. So it’s a double win for Tesla, it opens its network trying to get access to public funding at no cost for “magic docks” and gets money from other OEMs to grant access to the SuC network and their cars will have a broader access to other charging networks without the need of an adapter. Yes, if you’re a Tesla fan you can only be behind it. 🥱🥱🥱🥱
A huge thanks to Tritium for taking us on a deeper dive of their products. Sometimes I want to say “Kyle shut up!” and let them explain the magic. Occasionally, just occasionally, I get too excited and talk too much. More to come with these guys at some point in the future. Loving the PKM system with that DC micro grid 👌
@KyleConner what you haven't talked too much about is your sub-$25K used EV series that went dark. I still want to see what car is purchased after watching all of those various videos....
Agree you talk way too much!!! Let the experts talk
Hey I would love if you did a video where you go to an EA station fill it up and all the cars at 10% and see what that experience with multiple vehicle compare to their natural charging curve
It's interesting that Tritium is held in such high regard elsewhere in the world. Here in Australia, where their chargers are the most deployed in the country, their name is dogsh*t. Nothing works, they're constantly broken & cannot be relied upon at all in any way shape or form. I genuinely don't get why people drink the Tritium CoolAid - one Australian ev road trip would fix this once & for all.
@@onw123 I met Robert Llewellyn at a charger on the Hume Hwy when we both turned up to charge. He made the same comment that Tritium are highly regarded everywhere but in Australia. Perhaps we have more of their earliest models where any little thing going wrong takes out the whole charger, something they have now designed around.
Love seeing Australian engineers solving complex problems, we are lucky enough to have some brilliant minds in this country, so pleased for Tritium. Great stuff
Thanks Tritium! Great stuff!
So cool, there’s something really invigorating about watching people nerd out on things they are passionate about😁 Understood 10% of what was said, but I dug the video. Same with your video of the ChargePoint tour. On paper, I shouldn’t have enjoyed it, because I didn’t understand most of the tech talk, but I watched the whole thing and was riveted. I have to think that I am speaking for a lot of your viewers here....the big appeal is your talent at tying your enthusiasm, your intellect and your EV knowledge into a relaxed presentation that even novices can enjoy. Not an easy thing to orchestrate man
Great to hear it all started in Australia 😊
I had no idea Tritium went this far. I remember back in 1999-2003 working with them on the telemetry and motor controller modules for my school’s solar car. This is really awesome!
I like the FRU approach and how it is broken up into specific roles. Yes, you need to carry more modules but based on field failures you only have to produce and repair the modules that actually fail. Much better than a central module failing due to one aspect of its function and causing the whole thing being replaced and repaired.
I highly support this channel
Love content like this - one suggestion - it would be nice if you were able to post some high-res stills of the insides of this kit.
It's share price has dropped from ~$9.80 in late 2021 to $0.20 today. YIKES!
Actually, the 25kwh charger is far more interesting. A real win for restaurants and small shopping centres where the last thing you want from an end user experience is to be fretting over going back to your car to move it. So more 25s over 50s is excellent.
I know 22kw AC is a thing but very few cars come with it but every car today can handle 25kw DC.
25kwh DC is a real killer product and I have a feeling way more of those will be installed in way more locations.
Very exciting and king overdue news
The charger would be 25kW, not "25kwh". kW is power. kWh is a unit of energy. Power and energy are not the same thing.
@@PeterEVcharade indeed, just habit typing one over the other
distribution is really important. With good diversity of supply I’m curious what CPOs plan in terms of cables per MW grid feed. So eg if 1MW feed you don’t have 6-8 150kw units, you could potentially have double or even triple that amount as you’re not getting everyone starting a max charge at exactly the same time
Great power sharing.
The PKM design is really interesting. I was not clear on if the 950v DC buss can be shared across multiple blocks of 4 dispensers. It sounds like it can which would make this even more modular and scalable than Tesla's Gen 3 superchargers. It's a similar concept but the ability to pull power off the buss and regulate it at the dispenser level seems like a revolutionary step. I assume this design will also improve charging productivity during high usage because it allows you to max out the available rectification capacity (something Kyle touched on with the 51kw example). Cool stuff. Thanks
It's very different to Tesla Gen 3 because all the DC-DC throttling is still done at the charge handle dispenser stall. This process done at the dispenser stall allows for more flexibility at the cost of bigger bulkier power electronics at the dispenser stall. AFIK Supercharger V3 does not have power electronics at the dispenser stall, it's just handles cable liquid cooling and human interface handle holder. This is a great compromise as the DC-DC only stall doesn't seem too big to cause problems.
$DCFC let’s gooooo
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With systems like this, nobody will have reason to complain about Bolts clogging up chargers; they'll be able to trickle charge all the way to 100% and have no impact on anybody else.
also great to have extra ports for huge demand like hurricane evacuation or holiday
Notice Calem from Tritium said the DC buss to the PKM & RTM chargers is 950VDC. Another reason for designing 800V busses in vehicles.
Thanks for the run down.
That's a really clever design. I wonder how scalable the solution is and if it ends up being more reliable having separation between the sites in case one has an issue. Like the Tesla V3 situation, if you would go 1 rectifier cabinet to 4 dispensers at a large site or just load it all up, 4+ rectifier cabinets all with a common bus to 16, 24, 48 dispensers, however big they can do!
I would like to see a EV charging site isolated from the Grid i.e. remote, where the Solar PV is directly powering the DC car charging. Seems only one company so far is doing this would be good if more could make this available. There are so many locations where charging is needed at a remote site and usually plenty of solar is available. Some battery capacity may also be useful and keeping everything at the DC level dramatically improves energy efficiency and makes more kWh available for the $s.
G’day,
Tritium had 350kW chargers for a couple of years, and had a similar design to the 50kW units. IONITY in Europe had been using them till they start using their own designed units that are build by ABB and well yes, Tritium.
Yea it also surprised me that they didn’t mention actual fast charging in a word when the 350 kW chargers were their USP for the first years. I worked on those for a while and have the admit the engineering from service and maintenance point of view is just a nightmare. You‘d think this was a students project. Very tight spaces, not nice to work on at all. There are much better alternatives meanwhile when it comes to that.
You know a company is on the right track when they have the confidence to show off the inside of the cabinet (and it doesn't look like a cobweb of cables inside). Closed loop cooling is definitely the way to go. I definitely agree with Kyle that not everything needs to be 300KW+. Hell restaurants and movie theaters should be installing way more 80 amp level 2 chargers for free just to bring in business. It might cost a couple dollars max per customer gained, which is nothing on the typical $100 sit down meal or family movie theater experience.
Thanks, Kyle! That's a fairly interesting design for the PKM, but I'm surprised at the volume and complexity of hardware required for what is essentially a DC-DC rectifier. If I'm understanding the technology correctly, this is essentially doing the same thing that a DC motor controller would do on an EV, only instead of feeding variable voltage and current to a motor, it's feeding it to the car's battery. By comparison, a continuous 150 kW DC motor controller is much smaller, and it's something that an individual can easily pick up and move around.
This looks like the kind of architecture which DCFC systems should be using. One item not discussed: on-site battery storage. Can site battery modules be installed to allow for higher peak charging than is supported by the incoming grid connection?
I can only think of giving Kyle a t-shirt with "NACS" written on it!
We just got one of those 75kW at our local supermarket. Also 2 11kW AC, which was the maximum the site could do without major new lines dug down. But it is fine for the traffic to that site and are meant mostly for people going shopping anyway so 50kw is good.
Interestingly the guys who started Tritium were student engineers in the Solar car race challenge Darwin to Adelaide.
Tesla’s critical founding member JB Straubel was also a student engineer participating with a team in this race.
Caleb’s accent is awesome
Interesting Video. Tritium in Australia also have 350kw chargers in certain locations. Are these also available in the US.
I think some units have been installed but not many because Tritium discontinued that model. They have a new 400 kw model in development that will start manufacturing later this year.
Hey Kyle, Sandy Munro gave you and Out of Spec a shout-out!
So now is it up to Tesla to release UI so that cable manufacturers can supply other charger companies with NACS connectors?
Hey I would love if you did a video where you go to an EA station fill it up and all the cars at 10% and see what that experience with multiple vehicle compare to their natural charging curve
with a DC feed... seems it would be pretty easy to put a battery in the middle of this setup as well? Battery would suck from the DC feed when undersubscribed and put out energy when over subscribed or when surge charging hits...
I would further add the reliability issue. As Tesla has set the standard for charging reliability I would like to see what other manufacturers are doing to meet and exceed Tesla's benchmark? Please are the hard questions to get answers please.
Thank you congratulation
Australian EV driver here: At this stage the vast majority of DCFCs here are Tritium made and both reliability and repair times are pretty much a disaster and a main reason to buy a Tesla (as they have the super reliable SuC network). Please, please, please fix those issues, you are the world wide no 2 supplier of charging infrastructure and as such you just have to do way better.
I love your interviews with the hardware and network providers. They give a glimpse at what might be coming. Sadly, the lead time for installations is soooo long in the US that we won't be seeing these anytime soon. I'd like to know more about the Tesla drop in units like they use at Buc-ees but Tesla is too tight lipped to talk to you. Thanks for these great insights.
You will probably see these popping up everywhere shortly.
Tritium has just built a factory in Tennessee which is the biggest after Tesla’s, with a capacity of 30k units per year. By the end of this year they will be at over 10k units per year run rate.
Great interview! Seem like a cool bunch of people at Tritium. I’d love to know about their charging network up time? I know they have sold chargers to 3rd party network operators, but surely they still have viability and connectivity to their chargers? In Australia the 50kW Tritium branded chargers are often offline and faulted. It makes the end user lose a lot of trust in them. I hope their next generation product is more reliable. Even Tesla Bjorne had some recent troubles with Tritium in Norway.
I feel like Australia is a bit of a weird edge case given that Tritium, a Brisbane based company, supplies the same hardware all over the world yet Australia's sites are cited more often as faulty. Might be down to the lack of investment in charging infrastructure and lack of incentive to proactively maintain current sites.
Not only that but as with any network operator, it's not necessarily up to the manufacturer to maintain the installed equipment. I tend to think of it like blaming a desktop PC brand for not fixing computers in an internet cafe. Owners may not bother calling support for a failed machine and simply tell you to try the next one. Now if it was a globally common issue, or a more serious fault like frying the car, then that would be a bigger cause for concern unrelated to the network operator.
@@Funwayguy good points. It is certainly opaque where the fault lies and gets complicated who is responsible in certain scenarios. I guess that’s why Tesla charging network is so good. No one to blame. I see a lot of finger pointing online and mostly aimed at Tritium. But I guess if a municipality bought a charger and it breaks, and they don’t have the budget to fix out of warranty repairs, it will just sit there. This will tarnish all involved (including the OEM) and end up a bad experience to the end user.
Looking forward to more reliability from Tritium - we used units in NorCal recently and both Level 3 chargers crashed out over 2 days with no feedback or reason on a rented Polestar. Only vehicle on the lot charging...
To think it all started in a garage, QLD, Australia.
CCS! Standard. Their will be adapters for Tesla Superchargers. GM Dealers have CCS setups investments. GM not installing Tesla ports!
Isn’t putting so much dc-dc in each dispenser more expensive than having ‘passive’ dispensers? To oversubscribed a site you really want each dispenser to be really simple and cheap, so centralise the dc so rather than having 4 dispensers per rectifier you could allow 10-12 cheap (passive) dispensers per rectifier cabinet and then do first in first out algorithm to prioritise the first vehicle to plug in and draw max load.
My tritium stocks are not sharing the same excitement
I bet you’re even more “happier” now with your DCFC if you’re still holding it 😂😂😂. I’m just messing with you. Things will get better as soon as they improve their productivity/cost.
Maybe someone will acquire them and operate better. I hear they are not doing so good on the European front either.
I'm a new EV (Audi Etron) owner. I'd like to see a video on what equipment I should carry with the car on longer trips. What about an adaptor to charge my (CCS Etron) at a Tesla charger. I understand Tesla is adding that function but I have no idea how many and where I can use a Tesla Supercharger. I live in Ohio and chargers are few and far between unless you live in one of the big cities. I travel to Tennessee on occasion. There seem to be no chargers between Cincinnati and Knoxville according to some apps. Other show only level 2. It is all very confusing and discouraging.
Great to to see inside the chargers, wonder how the fan at the bottom handles being covered with snow, maybe its heat output will melt it, but then how will it deal with the salty water.
Would it not be better to have all the electronic guts in a central protected cabinet, then just run the controlled DC to simple power posts, the power posts would be very simple and far more robust then having all this electronics near the EV. The control system does not care how long the wires are.
Tritium has been operating in Norway for a long time so I’m sure they have sorted out any snow issues.
Central cabinet is good but Tritium advantage is the 1kw granularity between ports maximizing power distribution. It’s significantly more efficient at supplying power across ports.
I wonder if only EA has partnered with Tritium equipment would we be having NACS discussion? Some I guess based on 150 kW limit presently but how about usability and reliability?
Considering Tritium/cargfox rep in Australia it would of happened sooner
Tesla superchargers peak at about 250kw. All these ev charging companies need to be able to compete with that.
Did the hailstorm reach Fort Collins and if so did you get your cars undercover? Would presume business in the detailing field has just skyrocketed.
Why is the stock in the toilet???
Their revenue model is borked. They can only operate competitively where there are government subsidies available. Those subsidies were not available in Queensland and Tritium were forced to operate in competition with foreign manufacturers (e.g ABB, Compleo) who were subsidised in their manufacturing jurisdiction.
So Tritium said “might as well join them”.
Of course the Queensland government has form chasing away good jobs like this unless there are votes to be had. They are not alone
at first i thought this was a fridge.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I always learned that DC wires are bigger than AC wires... What am I missing here? Why does he say that DC wires are smaller? Higher voltage?
You are right. DC wires are thicker for the same throughput. They said it incorrectly.
@@f_1367 you've misunderstood what was said. The advantages here relate to 950V being run through that cable as well as DC only requires 3 cables (DC+, DC- & PE), whereas AC feed needs 5 (3 per phase, 1N, 1PE)
DC can use the copper more efficiently - talking "skin effect"
I'm not a big fan of NACS. There's already so much CCS infrastructure out in the wild and in cars that have been sold. CCS is also the global standard. Why make car makers (who already SUCK at software) split their stack to have to support CCS in the EU and NACS in the Americas? Or worse - NACS in the US and CCS everywhere else?
Let them build ONE software stack, make it GOOD, and work on making an actually good charging experience. Sure NACS is shiny and sleek and nifty lookin' but CCS has so much more room to grow and global support.
I stand corrected. There's a lot of overlap between NACS and CCS connectors in terms of software... May the best connector win, I suppose
@@d3xbot NACS makes sense in the US for its advantage of being more compact than CCS1 used in N. America. CCS2 makes more sense in most of the rest of the world that has 3 phase AC power. We (in 3 phase land) like the type 2 AC plug for its versatility with single and 3 phase AC supplies and compact combination with DC pins to produce CCS2.
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Hey Tritium. Come back to Australia and fix your shit
In the report they touted the reliability of the units, are they not that reliable as we are getting a couple of stations installed in our area.
Anything under 250KW is silly.
this does not mean anything if any of the crappy networks are not going to install it, all of this is nothing but fluffing. The reality is the CCS infrastructure sucks, 0 accountability. Imagine you are on the highway and on the last quarter tank of gas, pull to a gas station and A. all the pumps are down B. it pumps fuel at a very slow rate and charge you by the minute or C. out of fuel and online it says the pumps are open and with fuel. So until I see any of these out on the streets, available for the consumers,
Yeap, Kyle talks too much.
Unfortunately, Tritium (an Australian company) is completely unreliable in Australia. Virtually all chargers, apart from Tesla, are Tritium and they’re notoriously unreliable here. Companies are in the process of moving away from Tritium and going to ABB and Kempower.
That is good to know. Because I am looking for a true workhorse type charger and all the ones we have in the US, except Tesla chargers, are absolute junk.
@@f_1367you probably want a charger which doesn’t use liquid cooled cables.
ABB has a new 180kW charger which Circle-K is using that has 400 amp passive cables. That thing should be super reliable and only slightly slower in the real world than chargers with 500 amp liquid cooled cables like EA uses.
If you don’t need that much power another vendor to look at is Flo. They’re only 200 amp but I’ve never seen one go down and that’s really saying something.
Don't know about notorious.. we simply don't have much to compare to.. and they are often single stalls which amplifiees issues.
Chargefox started rolling out Tritium and ABB 350kW.. they quickly went Tritium only.
Many of the units that have had issues are the older Rt50s that can be 5+ years old, and like many believe Tritium has had issues with spares, and with clients who don't budget for spares, maintenance or supply guarantees.
If I look at Evie's 20+ sites in Sydney today, they are all working (though Caringbah and Guildford have one of the two stalls down).
But with Kempower starting to get contracts in Australia hopefully they can perform as well as they appear to in Europe.
It could be just that we in Australia have more Tritium than anything else so we are more likely to see a dead Tritium charger. Also, we have mostly the oldest original model where any little fault killed the whole unit. The modularity discussed in the video is clearly the fix for that.
That’s not true. Local supermarket just installed a bunch of Tritiums.
Western Australia is using Tritium on their electrified highway.
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So the whole NACS thing is only about the plug, same CCS protocol same units same everything. Who wins, Tesla, who has nothing to win, the rest of the industry.
If you would put a NACS socket on your CCS car you wouldn’t still be able to use the SuC network till Tesla opens it to the cars of your brand, which I suppose will happens when money is transferred to the Tesla account. So it’s a double win for Tesla, it opens its network trying to get access to public funding at no cost for “magic docks” and gets money from other OEMs to grant access to the SuC network and their cars will have a broader access to other charging networks without the need of an adapter.
Yes, if you’re a Tesla fan you can only be behind it. 🥱🥱🥱🥱