We will continue this, next week with the same and new guests who'll call in randomly. I really enjoyed tonight's podcast. It was beautiful to speak to those who have opposing views as me, or may even dislike me. I think if we all respectfully and cordially discuss our opinions, eloquently, then life can be pretty chill. Cya next week!
Absolutely agree!! Great concept! Many great guests you can bring in.. like the Force Center podcast guys Joseph and Ken who have different views but are very respectful and have great points. MTFBWY
This stream was absolutely amazing. The guests brought in great new perspectives on Star Wars. Please do this more often and also bring back some of these guests from tonight. I love the videos you guys make. Keep up the amazing work
I agree, but sadly this is not the case... The loudest ones are the most disrespectful and ignorant ones and this is why all the comment sections (on any platforms) is so full of bullshit.
Agree about the discussion! Just don't look at the live chat replay.... Seems like some just can't appreciate people having a respectful talk and have a constant need to be assholes...
I keep rewatching the dark choco bit... Josh's face lol. Theory this was amazing. I havent felt this much love on your channel since mando finale. Thank you for this. Pls do this more often.
Loved “Santa.” Perspective matters. People connecting to characters is Star Wars. Our connection and perspective creates passion, which is why we are disjointed. But if we could only hear the reason for the connection, passion, and perspective of others, we would be united.
The fans defending TLJ and ROS have the same arguments that are a big stretch. Santa has no explanation why he doesn't see Rey as a Mary Sue and how she is a "great character". I think his connection to liking these movies is sharing it with his daughter. I don't even see or make a connection that Rey was being bullied. In a desperate situation but not bullied. But to each his own. Choco 's thinking is a HUGE stretch. He also keeps going back on his words, at 2:00:00 where he says TLJ is his number 1. Later he says at 2:14:50 the sequels suck and he is a prequels and legends fan. The only thing he is consistent with his statements is "No bullying and please leave room for those that like the Sequels". I'm pretty sure the majority of the fan base was always there for that. We're just curious why you like them. Next, thinking that Luke Skywalker would just kill someone who is helpless just because he see's their bad thoughts. I don't think so. And how do you not get that they had NO PLAN for these movies when even the actors involved said that there was NO PLAN. He just doesn't like how the evidence was presented. He then thinks Mark Hamil eventually liked the movies without any pressure from Disney? I don't believe it. As for Toxicity: Choco himself has seen this rare toxicity in his own community. So he already knows the answer to his "question". And its also my personal experience most of those comments are either very rare or look like obvious trolling. To associate it to the majority, is just insane. Same with the third guest Sawyeurism - Who cares about followers. Just make content. And please don't associate the unsolicited messages to EVERYONE else you disagree with. Now everyone is hateful? That's just pure prejudice. No one is saying those who like TLJ and Rise of Skywalker should be silenced or bullied. The majority of us are just talking. BUT I remember what it was like right after TLJ came out. It was Disney and the brainwashed that called us toxic men, neck beards, basement dwellers, russian bots, women haters, not real fans, etc. Just for not liking the movies.
Mark has stated the last Jedi was his second favorite to work on behind Empire. Luke seen so much darkness he considered killing Ben for a split second but immediately regretted it. Rey isn’t a Mary Sue because 1) the only time she wins by herself is when kylo is broken to the core, unfocused, cocky, and heavily injured. She couldn’t fight snoke, she couldn’t fight Palpatine without the Jedi helping her, Ben wins the duel on Death Star. Ben had to bring her back to life and save her all of that immediately eliminates her from being a Mary Sue. 2) she’s poorly written and not having a plan for the trilogy just led them to speed run giving her force abilities off the fly. Some are understandable, some I can accept her learning but the one I hate the most is force lightning. I don’t think you should be able to accidentally use it
When someone mentions something is for kids you have to consider that for “kids” in the 70s and 80s meant anywhere from 5 yrs old to 19 yrs old....which explains why the classic Kids movie were titles like : Indiana Jones, the gremlins, back to the future, ghostbusters, Star Wars, the goonies, robocop and the list goes on...most these movies would be rated at least PG-13 today...
I have an 11 year old sister who loves the sequels. She says Rey is her favorite character and she loved when she defeated Kylo Ren in episode 7. I'm a little older, and I dislike the sequels and find many flaws with Rey but my sister makes me enjoy them a little bit more. She cheered when Kylo and Rey kissed in episode 9. She also loves Jar Jar. 😅All in all, its great that some people find enjoyment with the sequels and the characters even if I have different opinions.
My sister is 4 and she just loves ahsoka and rey. I realizes that the sequels are for her, not me. The prequels were for me, same way the originals were for my dad
Sounds like a good and smart dude haven’t seen his content, but brought up some good points although I strongly disagree with most of what he said, I can respect that he made some solid arguments for Luke in TLJ being just as much (if not more) JJ’s fault as it was Ryan’s.
This was really cool. I only watched the segment with Darth Choco but you and Josh deserve respect for hosting these discussions. The fandom has felt more tense than usual recently and I hope that having discussions like this will alleviate some of that tension.
They are ok as just movies unconnected to the previous ones, but as a star wars movie they suck. They ruin the characters from the OT and the prequels. Most people who genuinely like them are people who are casuals and don't care about star wars, or people who got into star wars because of the sequels.
I really appreciate this reaching out to connect all the threads of the fandom. TIKTOK is such a bad platform for most content because of the same reasons Twitter is terrible. You loose way to much nuance and supporting information when cutting it down to fit 60seconds. If anything it should be used as an advertisement platform for a podcast, stream, or youtube.
I disagree with Darth because i dont see Lukes rage in Return as a character trait... but rather a turning point in Luke. He doesn't show a thing he will continue doing in the throne room. He, in that moment, realises rage is not the way, and that it will lead him no darkness, just as it did to his father. He becomes a Jedi in that scene... he makes a decision to NOT be that man ever again.
So much respect for Theory, Josh and Choco. So much love for Star Wars, not everyone agreed with each other but it was beautiful and respectful. THIS is what we need more of in the fandom 🙌🏾🔥
Entertainment Media keep getting in the way by constantly writing hit-pieces on the Fandom Menace, no more firings of Star Actors just for sharing their opinions, and i honestly believe the Fandom will be more united once Kathleen Kennedy's tenure at Lucasfilm reaches an end.
Great stream tonight guys. Glad you opened this time up for dialogue with four awesome guests. They all did great. Does your first guest Lauren have a UA-cam channel? I'd love to follow her!
We need more of this in the world. People with different opinions that can sit down and talk without insults and with respect for the others opinions. It's a rare thing in the modern world.
The thing is i don't think most people even seem to realize, there is a shady entity which sits in the background of all of this and actually plays our Fans off against eachother. It's the "Entertainment Media", they're the ones who get fans riled up.
@@RaikenXion not really. I hate the sequels because they're smelly pieces of shit, and it's a conclusion I came to on my own with logical points because I have eyes
Conversation is always needed to move forward. We can hear each other out, debate, agree, disagree. End of the day we can all have opinions and it’s conversations like these which will heal the fan base. Good job 👏
Dark Choco doesn’t seem to understand what character arcs are. Going from one thing to the exact opposite to suddenly right back to where you started is not an arc, it’s just Rian Johnson flipping a character on its head
And he doesn't understand that Luke's sacrifice was pointless in TLJ. So Luke suddenly changed his mind and wants to save everyone and dies? Wtf instead of creating an illusion of himself he should have appeared in front of the First Order and destroyed them but he chose death😂
This is why you're the only Star Wars channel I'm subbed to anymore. You have your opinion, but you have ALWAYS been respectful of people who have a differing opinion. I've been a fan of SW my whole life. Keep being awesome bro. It's appreciated. I hope one day you get George on your channel. I'm loving all the interviews you've done with people involved with Lucasfilm pre-disney.
I think choco made some great points about the sequels and TLJ and why they actually made sense. I suspect his point about theory was a little harder to understand because he was really holding back. He probably was trying to be super ultra tactful and not insulting to your face, so I don’t think he really wanted to say what he really thinks. And about TLJ, specifically, I think one of you (can’t remember who said this) nailed it when they said that TLJ was deconstructing Luke, but they didn’t wanna see Luke deconstructed. I go one step further and say it wasn’t just deconstructing Luke, it was deconstructing Star Wars. And as an OT fan that did not really like the prequel‘s at all, I was ready for Star Wars to be deconstructed. After (what I considered to be) the nonsense of the prequel‘s, I wanted to see it torn down and built back up. That’s one of the reasons it resonated with me.
@@CKelloggs I mean, I didn’t come here to just bash the prequels. I only mentioned it because it was relevant to why I was ready to accept the deconstruction in TLJ. Also, I don’t wanna write a book as a UA-cam comment! LOL. But a quick rundown would be… Way too much CGI. It didn’t even always look great at the time, and has held up even worse. And partly because of that, as well as just some of the choices that were made in set design, ship design, etc., it didn’t even really look or feel like the Star Wars we got in the original trilogy. Everything was way too clean, and kind of fake looking. Plus the acting was mostly terrible, and there was a ton of super cringey dialogue. Then from a storytelling perspective, there were all sorts of things that I just hated. From big things like midi-chlorians that took the deeply spiritual and magical idea of the force and turned it into half scientific jargon, half alien bugs. All the way to little things like how they took what was clearly just the desert garb of tattooine in the original trilogy and turned it into a uniform for the Jedi everywhere, which made absolutely no sense. Even order 66, while it was cool in a way, didn’t really make sense how a bunch of clone troopers could kill all these powerful Jedi. And what’s worse, it was not “Vader helped hunt down and destroy the Jedi“ like we had been told in the original trilogy. We all thought that meant that Vader (as Vader in the suit) was going to be hunting down the Jedi one by one like the Kurgan in highlander! Instead we got him killing younglings. Smh. Anyway, that should answer your question about as briefly as I can. You really don’t have to tell me why you think all those things are great. I accept that you do already! It’s just differences of opinion over something we both like (Star Wars). But that’s why I was totally fine with Rian Johnson deconstructing Star Wars (and then building it back up) in the last Jedi.
@@killyourself8826 Do you actually have an interesting point to make? Or is this just another lame version of “Hurr, you’re dumb for liking something I hate and hating something I like.” If you actually have something interesting to say let’s hear it, man.
I rewatched that moment so many times, and still can't figure out what happened lol. Theory even said he was disgusted later in the vid, i really don't get it. Can someone explain? 😂
Props to Choco for bringing in a really juicy debate! My big issue with the Luke sneaking into kylos room is that he's ALREADY acting like he has PTSD but that isn't portrayed in the 30+ years between RotJ and TLJ. Also darth choco saying he can see the same person beating the shit out of vader, igniting his saber on kylo... like. He's a seasoned jedi there.he isn't a kid anymore. THAT'S a big problem. It's like the 40 years didn't count. Luke isn't JUST a Jedi. He's a person who has risen above the flaws of the last generation of Jedi as an entity. An then boom its back to square 1
2:19:09 Josh said it best, I went to see The Force Awakens B E F O R E I was a big Star Wars fan like I am today. As someone who didn't know anything about Luke prior to TFA all I wanted as a fan was to see just how epic this jedi of legend actually is.. and to be teased to get Luke throwing the only lightsaber I was familiar with (Anakin) in literally the same exact scene made me drop the sequels.
Luke tossing lightsaber over his shoulder is for me worst moment in all StarWars, I literally felt like walking out theater, but Lukes sacrifice so what remains of Resistance can escape is in my top 5 favourite moments it blew my mind, Its felt like Kenobi's sacrifice in ANH so Skywalker twins can escape 1st death star only jacked up on steroids..
@@darthwint3823 i feel the same way dude . a lot of people hated luke in tlj but i really liked how he saved everyone by not resorting to violence . But the thing that prevents me from liking luke in tlj and the movie in general is luke throwing vaders saber . its just something luke would never do no matter what. Its like if peter parker retired from figthing crime for a while and then someone came to visit him with a photo of uncle ben and he just grabs it and throws it out the window .Like i said , no matter what luke went through between rotj and tlj he would never do that . i honestly hate that scene so much .
NEVER felt so "mugged", after seeing Episode 8. Took me days to sink in, STAR WARS is broken and was "THAT" the best Disney and Ryan could do?!. There was so much that could have been achieved in the sequels, what we got was an extended "Star Wars Holiday Special". I call it the Franchise Killer, how can Star Wars be switched with the bad Saturday morning Super Hero comic bile. But it happened.
@@kolaranze Ep 7 & 9 were an opportunity to cement Star Wars as part of movie culture again. Instead there was no plot worked out, new avenues of story and character development. They took the easy route and destroyed the magic, I expected a tight and fast intelligent script, broadening the scope of the world readying for 10,11 and 12 where the seeds planted in the sequels would bare fruit and the new Star Wars world would entice people in again to watch a good yarn, epic scale and effects and the human aspect of family, duty and friends. It had "sparks" of brilliance but buckets of dross.
I remember seeing episode 7 with my dad and I was hyped I was in shock for the first couple minutes of the movie and at the end I was really happy and excited and was looking at all kinds of theory videos a few days later and the 3rd was theory’s and I immediately subscribed and a couple years later here we are with theory having almost 3 million subs.
This stream shows how Star Wars fans or fans in any fandom should be. It made me love being part of the Star Wars and Theory fandom even more which is so awesome. Thank you Theory and Josh for doing this. You guys and the guest here really show how to have a good, and respectful conversation even though your opinion are different it was very cool to hear everyone’s point of view and changed my perspective on the Sequels in a positive way can’t wait to watch more these. God Bless you guys
@@mattrismatt i mean its fairly obvious the majority Didnt care for the DT and at the very least it was an even split and thats being generous if were being honest lol
I loved this stream and how it talked about both sides. But I wished they also touched upon people who are in the middle of the fandom. I myself neither love or hate the sequel trilogy. I've tried leaning one way or the other but I just can't and I think its because I do love stuff from both canon and legends. One thing I think Disney should do is confirm that there is a Star Wars multiverse(if we can get time travel how hard is it to believe that there is more than one star wars universe). Its not like they would have to do much I mean we already have 3 Disney universe,legends universe,and a lego universe. Then they can bring in George Lucas to make his own universe and make his sequel trilogy. Just a few things I would say if I got on today let me know if you guys agree or disagree with anything I said
My thing about a star wars multiverse is that to me, one of the best things about star wars is the history and world building you see. Where every new project is a new chapter in the story, and stuff in the past and future is alluded to in universe. Like how Anakins podracer was shown in the Mandalorian, or how the template of Star Killer base can be seen in illum in Fallen Order. I think with more experimental books or lego games theres obviously less coherence with overall canon and singular universe. So having different star wars movies in different timelines or universes kind of destroys some of its DNA imo. As for stuff that got lost to legends I'd love to see some of it brought back into canon in future movies or shows.
You guys are pretty naive to think that the opinion on the sequels won't change in 20 years. The kids watching it now will be grown up and slinging their influence all over the internet. I saw this exact thing with the prequels.
Let’s face it , the last jedi DESTROYED the Star Wars fan base to almost a point it couldn’t be repaired, then we got episode 9 which was a complete mess aswell. Disney and Lucasfilm and rian Johnson are to blame.
I love that we can all be Star Wars fans. No matter the trilogy, the story, we’ve grown a passion through the stories told in a galaxy far, far away. May the force be with you all!
The amount of hate women Star Wars fans get just for simply being a woman especially when it comes to them having a different/unpopular opinion is crazy. Even if it’s not like blatant it’s subtle a lot of times and they don’t deserve that type of hate at all.
@@BozheTsaryaKhrani I’m still kinda confused lol but I wasn’t tryna say men don’t get hate at all I’m just saying that there’s a whole lot of women who get hate just for simply being a woman which ain’t right at all whatsoever. Like theory said Star Wars has always been male dominant and it’s starting to become a lot more diverse in terms of gender. With that diversity comes the gate keeping men who act like a woman’s opinion is lesser or invalid Bc they are a woman who lives Star Wars. That’s the specific topic I’m talking about, I’m not talking about the broad topic of hate.
@@pattyfife832 there is a lot more men being told they r sexist for being men and being taught to hate themselves for it and r taught to be less manly its dumb and America will suffer for it
Genuinely the most satisfying podcast I’ve ever seen. LOOK GUYS. We don’t have to argue. The Star Wars fandom doesn’t have to be toxic. Just talking in a debate about different opinions of something you personally connect with is clearly possible. Let the hate flow no more. Thank you theory.
Yes indeed, so i hate the Sequels but if you're a Sequels Fan i'm open to hear your opinions and see if you can convince me to see them in a better light.
@@RaikenXion The point is not to convince but also to respect opinions. If you don´t like the sequels I´m not gonna convince you, it´s pointless as those PT or OT fanboys who declare to be the "real" fans just because they hate the sequels.
@@Gridseeker Well i'm not going to even respect your opinion when you're going to declare i'm a "fanboy" and making out i call myself a "true fan" just cause i hate the sequels.
@@Gridseeker And you it's pointless to convince as "those pt or ot fanboys", so yeh it sounds like you're calling me that. Cause you're saying it's pointless to convince. I respect if you like the sequels, i don't hate any sequels fan, i hate those movies specifically. I think it's important to understand the WHY though, in order to fully respect the opinion. This is the thing that always baffles me, all you sequels fans are always quick to say well i like it, but you never want to try and understand why the large majority of the fans hate those movies. If we learned more about eachother's opinions how we feel about the sequels, we could truly respect eachoher's opinions.
Don’t let anyone corner you guys, you have an army of loving and accepting people on both your channels. Just keep grinding and keep the ZEN. Everything will work out and we will eventually see the true Star Wars fandom come together again if we just are kind to one another and focus our frustration in the people filming the movies, not the other viewers
Disney would never consider anything rated R but if we were to get one I’d love to see the darkness of the old Sith Empire, when the Sith reigned over half the Galaxy and sacked Coruscant
Choco wanting Theory to sensor himself is just ridiculous. If creators have to start limiting their true feelings then what are we all doing? Id rather the fandom be divided and people speak freely and honestly, rather than a more united one where the most passionate people can’t speak their mind. Open debate is healthy, but wanting people to start hiding their feelings and censoring themselves because they have a large following is what is wrong with todays cancel culture, can’t say anything without offending someone, society. But massive props to the conversations in this stream and the ability to just understand people even if you disagree.
I have never been an active UA-camr, matter of fact this is the 1st video I have ever commented on (nor do I subscribe to any channels), in the many years of having an account. I have watched your videos for years, and recently your channel became the 1st channel I subscribed to. I regret going so many years without hitting that red button for you Theory, but I very much appreciate what you do, and how you handle yourself. You have very much the same mind as I, in how we see Star Wars. To me, you should be Filoni's apprentice. I very much enjoy your channel, and listen almost everyday to your podcast on spotify. I think you have even more potential than you know. Never let the haters get you down, I think it takes true strength to show emotion (referring to Mando Luke)publically like you did, bc let's face you weren't the only one to cry at that scene, I cried watching you watch it lol and I am 30 years old. Dont stop being you man! The Force Will Be Will You Always, and so will my support for this channel and all you do.
Respect to Star Wars Santa. It was a heartfelt story about what he went through but I personally can't understand how he relates so deeply to Rey's character. Everything he described he went through is completely different to what her character went through. The only struggle Rey had was with her identity. Nothing else about the character was earned or a struggle in any way and that's the main reason people can't relate to her. She never took any losses on screen in a way that would allow her character to grow. Everything in terms of powers and abilities was just handed to her through the script without any explanation or consistency to the universe it was taking place in. A protagonist needs to connect with the audience in some meaningful way and unfortunately, the lack of character development with Rey just means she does come across as a "Mary Sue" whether people take offense to it or not.
Prolly get some hate but still even after all this i don't get it. Maybe my brain is hardwired differently but I cannot fathom anyone watching the original 6 movies and then saying that any of the sequel movies are their favourite or even come close. The movies don't feel the same, don't make sense, don't explain anything, and have the feel of a fast and furious fever dream more than a fckn adventure. When watching all nine movie there is a jarring change not just between the original movies and Disney's trilogy but between each of their own movies. Nothing flows. People here are saying that the characters earned their character developments when the entire sequel Trilogy takes place within one year in the Canon timeline? (prequels about 13 years, originals about 4 years for perspective) I fully feel that they are poor movies not only in term of star wars but also in terms of editing and writing (oh God the writing). (Prequels weren't great here either but they didn't have Disney's wallet). Essentially I feel the same trying to watch episodes 8 and 9 as I do watching Hob's and Shaw or Transformers, as opposed to the original movies held more of a legacy epic adventure feel like Harry Potter or LOTR. I can understand how someone can relate to the characters themselves as they were arguably the best part (aside from Johnny Williams), and I can see how you can enjoy these movies, and I see that it is star wars. I just don't think it holds up to the George Lucas/legends cinematic universe in my opinion.
You really couldnt of said it better, this is facts, no matter what your opinion is on star wars, the sequels are just poorly made movies...Theyre a hot mess all over the board simple as that, but hey.. doesnt mean you cant enjoy that hot mess in some way! Haha Ive liked alot of shit cheesy movies from the 2000s
I mean, it is confirmed that Sequel Movies weren't planned, were scrapped together on the go, were mindlessly constructed, Rian himself admitting he doesn't care about Star Wars, so Sequel Fans are doing more of that thing of making the data fit their narrative through gymnastics rather than doing a service to the sequels from my observations. On the other hand, I'd rather watch the sequel trilogy another 100 times than read and engage in the absolute brain cancer that is The High Republic. Someone gouge my eyes out and wipe my memory away.
@@milkshakebarrage9581 💯 exactly the point... theres just countless reasons as to why the sequel trilogy did not work! & dont get me started on that massive steaming pile of 💩
I really respect you for doing this Star Wars Theory. This is exactly what the fandom needs and how fans with differing opinions should interact. Good stuff man.
I love the sequel trilogy. I wish I could share that with the level respect you get for your love for the prequel trilogy. I love all Star Wars content but not with equal value. I'm glad you got to talk to those who enjoy the sequels like I do. :)
As soon as that one guy said that SWT's fanbase's majority opinion pummels down the minority opinion on the sequels, I was like "oh boy. one of THESE."
I know this is from a cpl weeks back but I had to comment. I have been following both Theory and Josh for some time, THIS is my favorite steam. As of today I have watched it from beginning to end 3 times and will watch it again I am sure. Love the positive vibe! Thank you many many times!! Much love to you!!
Woooohooo! This is a fun watch. This discussion is a kind of like: Peter: ' I like Mcdonalds' Jack: 'I like burger kings' Peter: 'No your wrong because the meat is better' Jack: Yeah, but your buns suck. Peter: ' Yeah but We have better milkshakes Bla bla bla' Jack: Nooo, Nooo, because We have better french fries Bla Bla Bla. Peter: "I understand where you are comming from.' Jack: 'Yeah I understand your view too.' Let's bring the Fandome together Wooohooo!!! ;) I love it. Thanks. ;)
I remember when Josh wanted to make a sort of Grey Jedi Order type fanbase and then he gave up... I was so sad then because he seemed so dissapointed but look at my boi now!!! Theory and Josh made a huuge step with this and I feel like they might not even realise it! Keep doing this guys! This is the new hope we all need! ❤
Sorry I missed this live talk. Watching now, and I have to say that this is a very good way to reach out to all the fans. Give them a voice, respectably debate and give opinions, so much better than tweets of hate and stubborn mentalities.
I think where Choco went wrong with the Sidious point was not pointing out that KK said Sidious was always part of the plan, then Daisy making the point Sidious wasn't the plan to be her lineage. Sidious could have always been a part of the sequel plan but not to be Rey's grandfather.
This was awesome man! I’d love to see this every once and a while if possible for sure. Edit: That awkward moment was definitely awkward, but yet absolutely hilarious lmao. It felt like time temporarily stopped 😂.
@@namatika1200 You do realize saying something is your opinion doesn't magically turn it into an unassailable stronghold to which there is no dispute. People can have whatever opinion they please, as is their right, but having the opinion the Earth is flat or that the sky is green or the SW sequels are good are idiotic, and deserve to be treated as such. You are free to of course ENJOY the sequels on a personal level, but to assert they are particularly high quality in any meaningful way beyond pretty lights go WEEE is silly.
@@papapalps2415 Earth is not flat, that is a fact. sky is not green, that is a fact. Sequels being bad in your opinion in not a fact. Also people will do everything to say Prequels are good and sequels are bad. I liked prequels but nostalgia blind people. in 2040 people will love the sequels. Same happen with prequels. Tpm and Aotc are both very bad but people still like them.
Theory I’m not gonna lie the past couple months I’ve started to lose interest in your videos bc of the toxic and hating vibes they were giving off....HOWEVER, this has completely restored my faith in you and your channel! This is the stuff we love to see! Echo chambers r never good and I appreciate u trying not to be in one. Keep this kind of content up!!!!!
This was great, lads. Really hope it becomes a regular segment especially during the times when there isn't much SW news to discuss. I think the reason some people are saying Theory has become "toxic" (he hasn't) is because the channel has become a bit of an echo chamber at times and people throw the label about simply because they don't agree with Theory's/Josh's/Marc's views. Having people with differing views on is a brilliant way to showcase the fandom in a positive light and bring balance.
you should do this regularly on your channel call it a "lightsaber duel" or something like that you guys are great hosts together you got the chemistry you work great together, I can't stop listening to you guys. it is a good thing!
This is great! Love seeing you two interact with the fans, I'd like to get on here myself (once I get a better mic) cuz I have a lot to say regarding the sequels...and not in a way you guys would probably agree with, I definitely connected with the older guy talking about how Rey was inspirational for him.
One problem I got is that a lot of ppl that are coming out in support of the sequels don’t seem to really like what Star Wars is. Like what it truly is. And this new perspective on it that the sequels provided resonated more with them. That’s great and all but that’s not Star Wars. Point blank period. And I’m not a fan of Star Wars changing to adhere to these ppl. I’m sorry if that sounds wrong but it’s the truth. It’s a big problem in the real world today. Companies trying to satisfy everybody will satisfy no one in the end
We will continue this, next week with the same and new guests who'll call in randomly. I really enjoyed tonight's podcast. It was beautiful to speak to those who have opposing views as me, or may even dislike me. I think if we all respectfully and cordially discuss our opinions, eloquently, then life can be pretty chill. Cya next week!
Absolutely loved this episode!!!! Bring in more “common” people and let’s break the Fandom Menace
It was a great podcast 🙏
@@Starset04 "break the Fandom Menace"? How do you "break" people who don't like what Disney has done to Star Wars?
Agreed. I suggest make it a series, at least once or twice a month so we can get a balance of nerd theory podcasts and guest podcasts.
Absolutely agree!! Great concept! Many great guests you can bring in.. like the Force Center podcast guys Joseph and Ken who have different views but are very respectful and have great points. MTFBWY
This stream was absolutely amazing. The guests brought in great new perspectives on Star Wars. Please do this more often and also bring back some of these guests from tonight. I love the videos you guys make. Keep up the amazing work
Can I just say your username is absolute nutz? 🤣🤣🤣
love this, we need more of this in the fandom
Sheesh inabber star wars fan
Chicken nuggie king 🙌🏽
100% dude
Let’s go Fraser
Kenji!
This is exactly how the star wars fans should be. Different opinions on a beloved franchise keeps the content fresh and enjoyable.
So true, not telling people to kill themselves or that they’re ‘brain dead’ for having an opinion on a movie.
Exactly!
Exactly, you can't force somebody to change their opinion about a movie series.
@@MrRen847 agreed. Both sides have differing opinions and when they’re toxic about it, that’s the genuine worst
Ngl I thought the comments would be a shit storm of Sequel hating and Prequel/OT praise I'm sure glad I was wrong
Different opinions but no toxicity, and everyone had respect towards those different opinions, super wholesome and entertaining
This is how Star Wars fans should debate, without toxicity in the fandom
@@lukastace3154 agreed I may don’t like the sequel trilogy and the prequel trilogy but at least I won’t attack people from liking this movies.
@@Blue-Apple-fc9eo Same
I agree, but sadly this is not the case... The loudest ones are the most disrespectful and ignorant ones and this is why all the comment sections (on any platforms) is so full of bullshit.
Agree about the discussion! Just don't look at the live chat replay.... Seems like some just can't appreciate people having a respectful talk and have a constant need to be assholes...
I keep rewatching the dark choco bit... Josh's face lol. Theory this was amazing. I havent felt this much love on your channel since mando finale. Thank you for this. Pls do this more often.
We need timestamps on these streams!
He liked your comment! Maybe that’s progress??
@@gjmcgee No.
I LOVED this format of 'SW discussion/topic' in the first half, and call-ins in the second half
Sw theory and Josh needa do this more often, loved it
Star Wars Santa seems like an absolute G
Holy shit its Volkor🤘🤘😅
Star wars Santa's story was so touching
Loved “Santa.” Perspective matters. People connecting to characters is Star Wars. Our connection and perspective creates passion, which is why we are disjointed. But if we could only hear the reason for the connection, passion, and perspective of others, we would be united.
Have u checked out his channel yet
@@BozheTsaryaKhrani I subscribed to it yesterday ☑️
@@michaelpatrickmiller6474 what is his channel?
@@FGxBeaver ua-cam.com/channels/E8DKOUbfAlUjYFsHdnVPfA.html
Star Wars Santa
The fans defending TLJ and ROS have the same arguments that are a big stretch.
Santa has no explanation why he doesn't see Rey as a Mary Sue and how she is a "great character". I think his connection to liking these movies is sharing it with his daughter. I don't even see or make a connection that Rey was being bullied. In a desperate situation but not bullied. But to each his own.
Choco 's thinking is a HUGE stretch. He also keeps going back on his words, at 2:00:00 where he says TLJ is his number 1. Later he says at 2:14:50 the sequels suck and he is a prequels and legends fan. The only thing he is consistent with his statements is "No bullying and please leave room for those that like the Sequels". I'm pretty sure the majority of the fan base was always there for that. We're just curious why you like them.
Next, thinking that Luke Skywalker would just kill someone who is helpless just because he see's their bad thoughts. I don't think so.
And how do you not get that they had NO PLAN for these movies when even the actors involved said that there was NO PLAN. He just doesn't like how the evidence was presented. He then thinks Mark Hamil eventually liked the movies without any pressure from Disney? I don't believe it.
As for Toxicity: Choco himself has seen this rare toxicity in his own community. So he already knows the answer to his "question". And its also my personal experience most of those comments are either very rare or look like obvious trolling. To associate it to the majority, is just insane.
Same with the third guest Sawyeurism - Who cares about followers. Just make content. And please don't associate the unsolicited messages to EVERYONE else you disagree with. Now everyone is hateful? That's just pure prejudice.
No one is saying those who like TLJ and Rise of Skywalker should be silenced or bullied. The majority of us are just talking. BUT I remember what it was like right after TLJ came out. It was Disney and the brainwashed that called us toxic men, neck beards, basement dwellers, russian bots, women haters, not real fans, etc. Just for not liking the movies.
Mark has stated the last Jedi was his second favorite to work on behind Empire. Luke seen so much darkness he considered killing Ben for a split second but immediately regretted it.
Rey isn’t a Mary Sue because 1) the only time she wins by herself is when kylo is broken to the core, unfocused, cocky, and heavily injured. She couldn’t fight snoke, she couldn’t fight Palpatine without the Jedi helping her, Ben wins the duel on Death Star. Ben had to bring her back to life and save her all of that immediately eliminates her from being a Mary Sue. 2) she’s poorly written and not having a plan for the trilogy just led them to speed run giving her force abilities off the fly. Some are understandable, some I can accept her learning but the one I hate the most is force lightning. I don’t think you should be able to accidentally use it
You're taking what Choco said out of context. He never said the Sequels suck he just said of the 3 trilogies it's his least favorite. Big difference
When someone mentions something is for kids you have to consider that for “kids” in the 70s and 80s meant anywhere from 5 yrs old to 19 yrs old....which explains why the classic Kids movie were titles like : Indiana Jones, the gremlins, back to the future, ghostbusters, Star Wars, the goonies, robocop and the list goes on...most these movies would be rated at least PG-13 today...
I have an 11 year old sister who loves the sequels. She says Rey is her favorite character and she loved when she defeated Kylo Ren in episode 7. I'm a little older, and I dislike the sequels and find many flaws with Rey but my sister makes me enjoy them a little bit more. She cheered when Kylo and Rey kissed in episode 9. She also loves Jar Jar. 😅All in all, its great that some people find enjoyment with the sequels and the characters even if I have different opinions.
This just proves that Star Wars means a lot of different things to many different people
@Miimalius I hope that isnt jar jar slander 🧐
My sister is 4 and she just loves ahsoka and rey. I realizes that the sequels are for her, not me. The prequels were for me, same way the originals were for my dad
Theres a reason little kids and non hard core fans liked the film while the hard core fans overwhelmingly did not.
@Miimalius I've always like jar jar, or at least I've never had a problem with him. I've genuinely never understood why people hate him so much.
Darth Choco is a badass. Love that man
Nah he couldn’t even nail down his own point
@@randalthekidd7006 🧢
@@randalthekidd7006 are you kidding me? You obviously didn’t listen, that man nailed everything down perfectly.
@@randalthekidd7006 someone didn’t watch the video 😅
Sounds like a good and smart dude haven’t seen his content, but brought up some good points although I strongly disagree with most of what he said, I can respect that he made some solid arguments for Luke in TLJ being just as much (if not more) JJ’s fault as it was Ryan’s.
This was really cool. I only watched the segment with Darth Choco but you and Josh deserve respect for hosting these discussions. The fandom has felt more tense than usual recently and I hope that having discussions like this will alleviate some of that tension.
Not a sequel fan but it’s good to see people who enjoy them
Meesa knew yoosa father!
Need more of this attitude in the Star Wars community
@@RACCorpStudios Yeah
They are ok as just movies unconnected to the previous ones, but as a star wars movie they suck. They ruin the characters from the OT and the prequels. Most people who genuinely like them are people who are casuals and don't care about star wars, or people who got into star wars because of the sequels.
@@dakotatrue12 Agreed.
I really appreciate this reaching out to connect all the threads of the fandom.
TIKTOK is such a bad platform for most content because of the same reasons Twitter is terrible. You loose way to much nuance and supporting information when cutting it down to fit 60seconds. If anything it should be used as an advertisement platform for a podcast, stream, or youtube.
Agreed
Tiktok is literally chicomm propaganda.. But yeah there's that
Thanks for the love of Montreal Santa ❤🎉
I disagree with Darth because i dont see Lukes rage in Return as a character trait... but rather a turning point in Luke. He doesn't show a thing he will continue doing in the throne room. He, in that moment, realises rage is not the way, and that it will lead him no darkness, just as it did to his father. He becomes a Jedi in that scene... he makes a decision to NOT be that man ever again.
So much respect for Theory, Josh and Choco. So much love for Star Wars, not everyone agreed with each other but it was beautiful and respectful. THIS is what we need more of in the fandom 🙌🏾🔥
Entertainment Media keep getting in the way by constantly writing hit-pieces on the Fandom Menace, no more firings of Star Actors just for sharing their opinions, and i honestly believe the Fandom will be more united once Kathleen Kennedy's tenure at Lucasfilm reaches an end.
In the end, it doesn’t really matter what you think of the sequels. We are all Star Wars fans, and that’s enough.
You have spoken.
Great stream tonight guys. Glad you opened this time up for dialogue with four awesome guests. They all did great. Does your first guest Lauren have a UA-cam channel? I'd love to follow her!
:)
@Lauren :)
@Lauren time to start one, you gained a lot of fans today.
@@TheCityOfVallejo bro not cool
We need more of this in the world. People with different opinions that can sit down and talk without insults and with respect for the others opinions. It's a rare thing in the modern world.
The thing is i don't think most people even seem to realize, there is a shady entity which sits in the background of all of this and actually plays our Fans off against eachother. It's the "Entertainment Media", they're the ones who get fans riled up.
@@RaikenXion not really. I hate the sequels because they're smelly pieces of shit, and it's a conclusion I came to on my own with logical points because I have eyes
Conversation is always needed to move forward. We can hear each other out, debate, agree, disagree. End of the day we can all have opinions and it’s conversations like these which will heal the fan base. Good job 👏
Dark Choco doesn’t seem to understand what character arcs are. Going from one thing to the exact opposite to suddenly right back to where you started is not an arc, it’s just Rian Johnson flipping a character on its head
And he doesn't understand that Luke's sacrifice was pointless in TLJ. So Luke suddenly changed his mind and wants to save everyone and dies? Wtf instead of creating an illusion of himself he should have appeared in front of the First Order and destroyed them but he chose death😂
This is the least toxic Star Wars comment section I’ve seen in a while
This is why you're the only Star Wars channel I'm subbed to anymore. You have your opinion, but you have ALWAYS been respectful of people who have a differing opinion. I've been a fan of SW my whole life. Keep being awesome bro. It's appreciated. I hope one day you get George on your channel. I'm loving all the interviews you've done with people involved with Lucasfilm pre-disney.
I think you’d like the channel Star Wars explained
Hello greedo, the goldman, palpamemes, element7, ekardsladder, and Thor Skywalker
Star Wars Meg and AT-AT are great channels
@@kronkedgucci7001 did not age well💀💀
I think choco made some great points about the sequels and TLJ and why they actually made sense. I suspect his point about theory was a little harder to understand because he was really holding back. He probably was trying to be super ultra tactful and not insulting to your face, so I don’t think he really wanted to say what he really thinks.
And about TLJ, specifically, I think one of you (can’t remember who said this) nailed it when they said that TLJ was deconstructing Luke, but they didn’t wanna see Luke deconstructed. I go one step further and say it wasn’t just deconstructing Luke, it was deconstructing Star Wars. And as an OT fan that did not really like the prequel‘s at all, I was ready for Star Wars to be deconstructed. After (what I considered to be) the nonsense of the prequel‘s, I wanted to see it torn down and built back up. That’s one of the reasons it resonated with me.
As a big fan of the prequels (tho I absolutely accept they’re flawed) why do you hate them so?
@@CKelloggs I mean, I didn’t come here to just bash the prequels. I only mentioned it because it was relevant to why I was ready to accept the deconstruction in TLJ. Also, I don’t wanna write a book as a UA-cam comment! LOL. But a quick rundown would be…
Way too much CGI. It didn’t even always look great at the time, and has held up even worse. And partly because of that, as well as just some of the choices that were made in set design, ship design, etc., it didn’t even really look or feel like the Star Wars we got in the original trilogy. Everything was way too clean, and kind of fake looking. Plus the acting was mostly terrible, and there was a ton of super cringey dialogue.
Then from a storytelling perspective, there were all sorts of things that I just hated. From big things like midi-chlorians that took the deeply spiritual and magical idea of the force and turned it into half scientific jargon, half alien bugs. All the way to little things like how they took what was clearly just the desert garb of tattooine in the original trilogy and turned it into a uniform for the Jedi everywhere, which made absolutely no sense. Even order 66, while it was cool in a way, didn’t really make sense how a bunch of clone troopers could kill all these powerful Jedi. And what’s worse, it was not “Vader helped hunt down and destroy the Jedi“ like we had been told in the original trilogy. We all thought that meant that Vader (as Vader in the suit) was going to be hunting down the Jedi one by one like the Kurgan in highlander! Instead we got him killing younglings. Smh.
Anyway, that should answer your question about as briefly as I can. You really don’t have to tell me why you think all those things are great. I accept that you do already! It’s just differences of opinion over something we both like (Star Wars). But that’s why I was totally fine with Rian Johnson deconstructing Star Wars (and then building it back up) in the last Jedi.
The irony in hating the PT but thinking the DT is good lmao
@@killyourself8826 Do you actually have an interesting point to make? Or is this just another lame version of “Hurr, you’re dumb for liking something I hate and hating something I like.” If you actually have something interesting to say let’s hear it, man.
@@CKelloggs he’s a hypocrite who is just a casual fan, mostly casual’s and lesser fans liked the DT.
Dang poor Josh that was an awkward moment but hella funny though. Top 5 Nerd Theory Moments
When?
Yes a what part was that? Could you plz show us the time-stamp part in the video?
3:27:35
@@Calebburb Oh thankyou :)
I rewatched that moment so many times, and still can't figure out what happened lol. Theory even said he was disgusted later in the vid, i really don't get it. Can someone explain? 😂
Props to Choco for bringing in a really juicy debate!
My big issue with the Luke sneaking into kylos room is that he's ALREADY acting like he has PTSD but that isn't portrayed in the 30+ years between RotJ and TLJ.
Also darth choco saying he can see the same person beating the shit out of vader, igniting his saber on kylo... like. He's a seasoned jedi there.he isn't a kid anymore. THAT'S a big problem. It's like the 40 years didn't count. Luke isn't JUST a Jedi. He's a person who has risen above the flaws of the last generation of Jedi as an entity. An then boom its back to square 1
2:19:09 Josh said it best, I went to see The Force Awakens B E F O R E I was a big Star Wars fan like I am today. As someone who didn't know anything about Luke prior to TFA all I wanted as a fan was to see just how epic this jedi of legend actually is.. and to be teased to get Luke throwing the only lightsaber I was familiar with (Anakin) in literally the same exact scene made me drop the sequels.
Luke tossing lightsaber over his shoulder is for me worst moment in all StarWars, I literally felt like walking out theater,
but Lukes sacrifice so what remains of Resistance can escape is in my top 5 favourite moments it blew my mind, Its felt like Kenobi's sacrifice in ANH so Skywalker twins can escape 1st death star only jacked up on steroids..
@@darthwint3823 i feel the same way dude . a lot of people hated luke in tlj but i really liked how he saved everyone by not resorting to violence . But the thing that prevents me from liking luke in tlj and the movie in general is luke throwing vaders saber . its just something luke would never do no matter what. Its like if peter parker retired from figthing crime for a while and then someone came to visit him with a photo of uncle ben and he just grabs it and throws it out the window .Like i said , no matter what luke went through between rotj and tlj he would never do that . i honestly hate that scene so much .
So what did you think of Luke? Now that you know the character more.
@@trololololo3659 that was not Vader's saber.
THIS IS IT. LEAD BY EXAMPLE. CHANGE THE FANDOM.
Honestly this is such a huge step toward unity. Please, more of this.
NEVER felt so "mugged", after seeing Episode 8. Took me days to sink in, STAR WARS is broken and was "THAT" the best Disney and Ryan could do?!. There was so much that could have been achieved in the sequels, what we got was an extended "Star Wars Holiday Special". I call it the Franchise Killer, how can Star Wars be switched with the bad Saturday morning Super Hero comic bile. But it happened.
What do you think about episode 7 and 9?
@@kolaranze Ep 7 & 9 were an opportunity to cement Star Wars as part of movie culture again. Instead there was no plot worked out, new avenues of story and character development. They took the easy route and destroyed the magic, I expected a tight and fast intelligent script, broadening the scope of the world readying for 10,11 and 12 where the seeds planted in the sequels would bare fruit and the new Star Wars world would entice people in again to watch a good yarn, epic scale and effects and the human aspect of family, duty and friends. It had "sparks" of brilliance but buckets of dross.
I remember seeing episode 7 with my dad and I was hyped I was in shock for the first couple minutes of the movie and at the end I was really happy and excited and was looking at all kinds of theory videos a few days later and the 3rd was theory’s and I immediately subscribed and a couple years later here we are with theory having almost 3 million subs.
Finally a stream that’s more than 2 hours again! Love when you guys go for this long
This stream shows how Star Wars fans or fans in any fandom should be. It made me love being part of the Star Wars and Theory fandom even more which is so awesome. Thank you Theory and Josh for doing this. You guys and the guest here really show how to have a good, and respectful conversation even though your opinion are different it was very cool to hear everyone’s point of view and changed my perspective on the Sequels in a positive way can’t wait to watch more these. God Bless you guys
Anyone notice how much Theory says "it is what it is"? lol Its kinda his motto now
At the end of the day...
It is what it is... but "what it is" may not be what the masses perceive.
The ultimate phrase for when you hate something has happened and you want to complain, but you can't change it.
It is what is, because it is what it is.
@@mattrismatt i mean its fairly obvious the majority Didnt care for the DT and at the very least it was an even split and thats being generous if were being honest lol
I loved this stream and how it talked about both sides. But I wished they also touched upon people who are in the middle of the fandom. I myself neither love or hate the sequel trilogy. I've tried leaning one way or the other but I just can't and I think its because I do love stuff from both canon and legends. One thing I think Disney should do is confirm that there is a Star Wars multiverse(if we can get time travel how hard is it to believe that there is more than one star wars universe). Its not like they would have to do much I mean we already have 3 Disney universe,legends universe,and a lego universe. Then they can bring in George Lucas to make his own universe and make his sequel trilogy. Just a few things I would say if I got on today let me know if you guys agree or disagree with anything I said
My thing about a star wars multiverse is that to me, one of the best things about star wars is the history and world building you see. Where every new project is a new chapter in the story, and stuff in the past and future is alluded to in universe. Like how Anakins podracer was shown in the Mandalorian, or how the template of Star Killer base can be seen in illum in Fallen Order. I think with more experimental books or lego games theres obviously less coherence with overall canon and singular universe. So having different star wars movies in different timelines or universes kind of destroys some of its DNA imo. As for stuff that got lost to legends I'd love to see some of it brought back into canon in future movies or shows.
I'm just here waiting on the next Vader episode, but seriously Andor is all I'm interested in..
You guys are pretty naive to think that the opinion on the sequels won't change in 20 years. The kids watching it now will be grown up and slinging their influence all over the internet. I saw this exact thing with the prequels.
This is awesome opened up my mind to the sequels a little
I never thought I'd say this but Santa makes me feel proud I like Rey :)
I absolutely love Choco. We need more of this peacefulness in Star Wars.
Let’s face it , the last jedi DESTROYED the Star Wars fan base to almost a point it couldn’t be repaired, then we got episode 9 which was a complete mess aswell.
Disney and Lucasfilm and rian Johnson are to blame.
Nah it’s not rians fault
@@Monke-hx2bh he’s partly to blame , such a bad movie , you can tell it was made by someone that doesn’t know Star Wars
@@Monke-hx2bh How is not Rians fault? He got to do The Last Jedi the way he wanted. It's his movie!
@@shaq8830 he literally said he wanted to make a film that would made people hate it or love it he did this on porpuse which says a lot about him.
I love that we can all be Star Wars fans. No matter the trilogy, the story, we’ve grown a passion through the stories told in a galaxy far, far away. May the force be with you all!
This was really awesome guys! Love how you got people from all sides of the fandom
Great show gentlemen and thanks to the guests for coming on. Take care, stay safe and healthy everyone. May the force be with you all.
The amount of hate women Star Wars fans get just for simply being a woman especially when it comes to them having a different/unpopular opinion is crazy. Even if it’s not like blatant it’s subtle a lot of times and they don’t deserve that type of hate at all.
Everyone gets hate its what u do w it it is a male female problem
@@BozheTsaryaKhrani I’m sorry what?
@@pattyfife832 i was makin the most out of what i tried to read
@@BozheTsaryaKhrani I’m still kinda confused lol but I wasn’t tryna say men don’t get hate at all I’m just saying that there’s a whole lot of women who get hate just for simply being a woman which ain’t right at all whatsoever. Like theory said Star Wars has always been male dominant and it’s starting to become a lot more diverse in terms of gender. With that diversity comes the gate keeping men who act like a woman’s opinion is lesser or invalid Bc they are a woman who lives Star Wars. That’s the specific topic I’m talking about, I’m not talking about the broad topic of hate.
@@pattyfife832 there is a lot more men being told they r sexist for being men and being taught to hate themselves for it and r taught to be less manly its dumb and America will suffer for it
First guest starts at 1:09:35
Thanks
You guys and Thor would be a great cast. He’s very level headed.
Genuinely the most satisfying podcast I’ve ever seen. LOOK GUYS. We don’t have to argue. The Star Wars fandom doesn’t have to be toxic. Just talking in a debate about different opinions of something you personally connect with is clearly possible. Let the hate flow no more. Thank you theory.
THIS is the way, Theory. I'm glad you are opening dialog. Tired of the fighting. Let's talk!
Yes indeed, so i hate the Sequels but if you're a Sequels Fan i'm open to hear your opinions and see if you can convince me to see them in a better light.
@@RaikenXion hey I’m a sequel fan and I think a conversation about it would be fun
@@RaikenXion The point is not to convince but also to respect opinions. If you don´t like the sequels I´m not gonna convince you, it´s pointless as those PT or OT fanboys who declare to be the "real" fans just because they hate the sequels.
@@Gridseeker Well i'm not going to even respect your opinion when you're going to declare i'm a "fanboy" and making out i call myself a "true fan" just cause i hate the sequels.
@@Gridseeker And you it's pointless to convince as "those pt or ot fanboys", so yeh it sounds like you're calling me that. Cause you're saying it's pointless to convince.
I respect if you like the sequels, i don't hate any sequels fan, i hate those movies specifically. I think it's important to understand the WHY though, in order to fully respect the opinion.
This is the thing that always baffles me, all you sequels fans are always quick to say well i like it, but you never want to try and understand why the large majority of the fans hate those movies.
If we learned more about eachother's opinions how we feel about the sequels, we could truly respect eachoher's opinions.
Don’t let anyone corner you guys, you have an army of loving and accepting people on both your channels. Just keep grinding and keep the ZEN. Everything will work out and we will eventually see the true Star Wars fandom come together again if we just are kind to one another and focus our frustration in the people filming the movies, not the other viewers
Honestly though a general grevious would have to be RATED R to really show how powerful he really was
And to show how ruthless he was as a kaleesh warrior
Disney would never consider anything rated R but if we were to get one I’d love to see the darkness of the old Sith Empire, when the Sith reigned over half the Galaxy and sacked Coruscant
@@robdugas9455 Your name is elite 🙌
Much love to both of you again! Thanks for making this happen
My Star Wars love is deeply routed with your content and communities now and forever
Choco wanting Theory to sensor himself is just ridiculous. If creators have to start limiting their true feelings then what are we all doing? Id rather the fandom be divided and people speak freely and honestly, rather than a more united one where the most passionate people can’t speak their mind.
Open debate is healthy, but wanting people to start hiding their feelings and censoring themselves because they have a large following is what is wrong with todays cancel culture, can’t say anything without offending someone, society.
But massive props to the conversations in this stream and the ability to just understand people even if you disagree.
This is possibly the best “video” in along time it was so entertaining watching people have a debate but actually listening to each other’s points
If only the live chat could take notes and be half as respectful as these two gentlemen....
First day on the internet?
@@insensitive919 fr I was in the chat it was fine
@@insensitive919 first original reply?
He second part of the stream’s chat gets really toxic
@@R6-J4
You have to understand stream chats will always be toxic. There's nothing we can do about it lol
Such a healthy debate! Great Job on getting this content out, would love to see more of this in the future 100%
I disagree with darth chocolate in his view but im really enjoying a strong conversation about things i care about so a big thumbs up from me
I have never been an active UA-camr, matter of fact this is the 1st video I have ever commented on (nor do I subscribe to any channels), in the many years of having an account. I have watched your videos for years, and recently your channel became the 1st channel I subscribed to. I regret going so many years without hitting that red button for you Theory, but I very much appreciate what you do, and how you handle yourself. You have very much the same mind as I, in how we see Star Wars. To me, you should be Filoni's apprentice. I very much enjoy your channel, and listen almost everyday to your podcast on spotify. I think you have even more potential than you know. Never let the haters get you down, I think it takes true strength to show emotion (referring to Mando Luke)publically like you did, bc let's face you weren't the only one to cry at that scene, I cried watching you watch it lol and I am 30 years old. Dont stop being you man! The Force Will Be Will You Always, and so will my support for this channel and all you do.
Respect to Star Wars Santa. It was a heartfelt story about what he went through but I personally can't understand how he relates so deeply to Rey's character. Everything he described he went through is completely different to what her character went through. The only struggle Rey had was with her identity. Nothing else about the character was earned or a struggle in any way and that's the main reason people can't relate to her. She never took any losses on screen in a way that would allow her character to grow. Everything in terms of powers and abilities was just handed to her through the script without any explanation or consistency to the universe it was taking place in. A protagonist needs to connect with the audience in some meaningful way and unfortunately, the lack of character development with Rey just means she does come across as a "Mary Sue" whether people take offense to it or not.
Couldn’t of said it better
Dude said she was constantly losing lmao the old man has to be senile.
This is one of the best star wars debates I have ever heard. I love the guest idea.
Prolly get some hate but still even after all this i don't get it. Maybe my brain is hardwired differently but I cannot fathom anyone watching the original 6 movies and then saying that any of the sequel movies are their favourite or even come close. The movies don't feel the same, don't make sense, don't explain anything, and have the feel of a fast and furious fever dream more than a fckn adventure. When watching all nine movie there is a jarring change not just between the original movies and Disney's trilogy but between each of their own movies. Nothing flows.
People here are saying that the characters earned their character developments when the entire sequel Trilogy takes place within one year in the Canon timeline? (prequels about 13 years, originals about 4 years for perspective)
I fully feel that they are poor movies not only in term of star wars but also in terms of editing and writing (oh God the writing). (Prequels weren't great here either but they didn't have Disney's wallet).
Essentially I feel the same trying to watch episodes 8 and 9 as I do watching Hob's and Shaw or Transformers, as opposed to the original movies held more of a legacy epic adventure feel like Harry Potter or LOTR.
I can understand how someone can relate to the characters themselves as they were arguably the best part (aside from Johnny Williams), and I can see how you can enjoy these movies, and I see that it is star wars. I just don't think it holds up to the George Lucas/legends cinematic universe in my opinion.
You really couldnt of said it better, this is facts, no matter what your opinion is on star wars, the sequels are just poorly made movies...Theyre a hot mess all over the board simple as that, but hey.. doesnt mean you cant enjoy that hot mess in some way! Haha Ive liked alot of shit cheesy movies from the 2000s
Also Choco was passive aggressive af, fuuuck that lol
I mean, it is confirmed that Sequel Movies weren't planned, were scrapped together on the go, were mindlessly constructed, Rian himself admitting he doesn't care about Star Wars, so Sequel Fans are doing more of that thing of making the data fit their narrative through gymnastics rather than doing a service to the sequels from my observations. On the other hand, I'd rather watch the sequel trilogy another 100 times than read and engage in the absolute brain cancer that is The High Republic. Someone gouge my eyes out and wipe my memory away.
@@milkshakebarrage9581 💯 exactly the point... theres just countless reasons as to why the sequel trilogy did not work! & dont get me started on that massive steaming pile of 💩
I really respect you for doing this Star Wars Theory. This is exactly what the fandom needs and how fans with differing opinions should interact. Good stuff man.
I love the sequel trilogy. I wish I could share that with the level respect you get for your love for the prequel trilogy. I love all Star Wars content but not with equal value. I'm glad you got to talk to those who enjoy the sequels like I do. :)
This was amazing!! I love the respectful conversations and seeing my favorite creators. I you do more of these.
As soon as that one guy said that SWT's fanbase's majority opinion pummels down the minority opinion on the sequels, I was like "oh boy. one of THESE."
I know this is from a cpl weeks back but I had to comment. I have been following both Theory and Josh for some time, THIS is my favorite steam. As of today I have watched it from beginning to end 3 times and will watch it again I am sure. Love the positive vibe! Thank you many many times!! Much love to you!!
Luke didn’t singlehandedly save the Resistance, Rey shot down all the Tie Fighters and lifted all the boulders alone. Luke bought them like 20 seconds
Yeah...but we have to let the kids have fun and believe that the sequels are good on any way shape or form, otherwise tantrums ensue.
@@George-um2vc The sequels are great in some places, especially TLJ.
@@bahkbar5615 🤣
@@bahkbar5615 true
This is super chill!! I watched the stream back and really enjoyed this! Would love to see more of this.
"I haven't watched the Mandalorian"
WOT, BUT.... WOOOT
*inner child screaming*
Woooohooo! This is a fun watch.
This discussion is a kind of like:
Peter: ' I like Mcdonalds'
Jack: 'I like burger kings'
Peter: 'No your wrong because the meat is better'
Jack: Yeah, but your buns suck.
Peter: ' Yeah but We have better milkshakes Bla bla bla'
Jack: Nooo, Nooo, because We have better french fries Bla Bla Bla.
Peter: "I understand where you are comming from.'
Jack: 'Yeah I understand your view too.'
Let's bring the Fandome together Wooohooo!!! ;)
I love it. Thanks. ;)
I remember when Josh wanted to make a sort of Grey Jedi Order type fanbase and then he gave up... I was so sad then because he seemed so dissapointed but look at my boi now!!! Theory and Josh made a huuge step with this and I feel like they might not even realise it! Keep doing this guys! This is the new hope we all need! ❤
Excellent excellent talk you guys 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿 Loved it! Y'all making me want to convert from fan to hard core fan. Appreciate what you guys do 🙏🏿❤️
Anyone talks:
Josh: so your left?
Sorry I missed this live talk. Watching now, and I have to say that this is a very good way to reach out to all the fans. Give them a voice, respectably debate and give opinions, so much better than tweets of hate and stubborn mentalities.
One of the best, if not the best nerd theory video
I love what you have done with nerd theory & how you guy's are now interacting with other youtubers & fans in general, it is awesome.
I think where Choco went wrong with the Sidious point was not pointing out that KK said Sidious was always part of the plan, then Daisy making the point Sidious wasn't the plan to be her lineage. Sidious could have always been a part of the sequel plan but not to be Rey's grandfather.
I’d love to see that girl come back! She seems to fit really well with you guys
This was awesome man! I’d love to see this every once and a while if possible for sure.
Edit: That awkward moment was definitely awkward, but yet absolutely hilarious lmao. It felt like time temporarily stopped 😂.
Great video! These are the only type of discussions Star Wars fans should be having. 🙌🏻
Interesting seeing other perspectives
@Kermit Peanut cringe fanboys
@Kermit Peanut You are mad about opinions. How sad
@@namatika1200 You do realize saying something is your opinion doesn't magically turn it into an unassailable stronghold to which there is no dispute. People can have whatever opinion they please, as is their right, but having the opinion the Earth is flat or that the sky is green or the SW sequels are good are idiotic, and deserve to be treated as such. You are free to of course ENJOY the sequels on a personal level, but to assert they are particularly high quality in any meaningful way beyond pretty lights go WEEE is silly.
@Kermit Peanut it’s other people’s opinions no need to trash on people who don’t agree with you.
@@papapalps2415 Earth is not flat, that is a fact. sky is not green, that is a fact. Sequels being bad in your opinion in not a fact. Also people will do everything to say Prequels are good and sequels are bad. I liked prequels but nostalgia blind people. in 2040 people will love the sequels. Same happen with prequels. Tpm and Aotc are both very bad but people still like them.
I think your channel is very balanced and chill and I enjoy your content
Thor Skywalker and Jeremy would be fun to have on.
Yes and debating against wellknown sequel fans
Thor Skywalker is pretty chill, not sure about Jeremy tho
@@jonathanm4738 Jeremy is not as chill but he would still respect the opinion of others
@@jonathanm4738 Jeremy isn't afraid to make his position known, so I respect that about him. And yeah Thor seems to just be a chill guy.
This is the best Nerd Theory yet! You guys rock Lauren was awesome, Santa is so sweet!
Theory I’m not gonna lie the past couple months I’ve started to lose interest in your videos bc of the toxic and hating vibes they were giving off....HOWEVER, this has completely restored my faith in you and your channel! This is the stuff we love to see!
Echo chambers r never good and I appreciate u trying not to be in one. Keep this kind of content up!!!!!
This was great, lads. Really hope it becomes a regular segment especially during the times when there isn't much SW news to discuss.
I think the reason some people are saying Theory has become "toxic" (he hasn't) is because the channel has become a bit of an echo chamber at times and people throw the label about simply because they don't agree with Theory's/Josh's/Marc's views. Having people with differing views on is a brilliant way to showcase the fandom in a positive light and bring balance.
I love this wholesome content
you should do this regularly on your channel call it a "lightsaber duel" or something like that
you guys are great hosts together you got the chemistry you work great together, I can't stop listening to you guys. it is a good thing!
the part w darth choco was so cool
This is great! Love seeing you two interact with the fans, I'd like to get on here myself (once I get a better mic) cuz I have a lot to say regarding the sequels...and not in a way you guys would probably agree with, I definitely connected with the older guy talking about how Rey was inspirational for him.
This would be cool to have regular say once a month, maybe call it " Balance to the Force"
Please more of this Theory, this was amazing.
I feel alright coming out and saying I thought Last Jedi was pretty cool, now. Thanks guys!
One problem I got is that a lot of ppl that are coming out in support of the sequels don’t seem to really like what Star Wars is. Like what it truly is. And this new perspective on it that the sequels provided resonated more with them. That’s great and all but that’s not Star Wars. Point blank period. And I’m not a fan of Star Wars changing to adhere to these ppl. I’m sorry if that sounds wrong but it’s the truth. It’s a big problem in the real world today. Companies trying to satisfy everybody will satisfy no one in the end
Y’all gotta do a kessel run radio nerd theory crossover I would be so happy
This is fantastic. Love this diversity. Love that youre giving the community a platform to let their voices be heard.