PEEP Alignment | Having some WEIRD misses? Accuracy NOT what you WANT? THIS might be your problem!
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Man you just answered my question. I am having those same problems. I can see the world through my peep and been thinking man this thing should be a lot smaller.👍👍
Learned some stuff. Ive always tried to center the peep even if it’s too big before I change it. This is a much better idea!
You sir are an amazing human being. The amount of humility you reflect when seeking self improvement is incredible. You're a great leader for the archery community.
@@acanuck3267 i agree !!!!
Same! I'm running a 3/16 peep on a 2" sight housing and have about a 1/2-3/4" halo around the housing. I've been trying to center the housing and been doing alright at it but it takes added time to line up the shot. Never occurred to me to just set it to top center and work at it that way. Smh such a simple yet very effective solution. Can't wait to go try it out and see the improvement
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That's what happened to my tulips 😂
I plead the 5th.... 😬🙃
Literally dealing with this. I just got a new (to me) Mathhews and im having to put the target on the right side of the window. Ill make some sight adjustments to get it top center like you said and see how it goes 🤙
For as much as I really enjoy your videos, the 2 parts of this video that really got me...Nascar Driver, "GO SOPH" and "the look on your face is priceless and really goes with, "you parkin' or are you drivin'?" That brought back so many memories with my boys driving the power wheels gator in the back yard. Cherish those moments; they'll be gone before you know it.
Yet another video where I will take what I watch and have to go test it out for myself in the yard right after! AJA always giving me bow homework.
Interesting, I always wondered if I was doing it right. Guess we'll find out tomorrow! I have decent groups but can always improve. Going to focus on aligning the top of my housing like you talked about!
Also I totally know what it's like having kids and shooting the bow. 100 questions at full draw! Lol
Being accurate gets expensive! That’s why it pays to learn to fletch and/or repair our own equipment.
Thanks a lot for this info, no wonder why I was seeing the entire mountain through my sight...
Oh my, should I start the fire or leave it alone? I will go away now.
You use your magic wand and special dust, cheater. Not all of us are mythical creatures. Now shush. 🤣
Ummm, What *kinda* special dust does the ranch fairy got!?
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Love your no nonsense factual vid's. I think its worth mentioning for newer archers that the further away the sight is any torque will be magnified down range.
I started shooting again after an almost 2 decade recess, and I had a 1/4" peep on my bow. My groups were all over the place. I randomly ran across your video, swapped my peep out for a smaller one and immediately saw the difference in group size. Good tips!
Awesome to hear!
Holy moly! I had no idea! I was never formally taught archery techniques. Thank you.
2 years later and still helping! 🍻
Picking my first bow up tomorrow. I Went with the Elite Terrain, HHA Tetra 5519 .019 single pin, a Hamskea Epsilon rest, and tossed a Hot RodZ AdvanteX 10" stabilizer on the front. She came out of the box smoking hot @75lbs DW. Her name is Sadie and I love her.
Seriously though, I'm so glad that I seen this video tonight because now I know I need a smaller peep as I could see a ring of daylight around the housing. I didn't even think to ask, just thought I had to center everything up. Defiantly going to get that worked out in the morning. And I'll probably have them back it off 15lbs as well so it's alot more comfortable for me and I can focus more on my form for now. As you can tell, I'm so stoked that I'm probably not going to sleep much tonight lmao
Great info. You could always use an aperture kit to reduce size of peep.
Hi Nate, I had this same issue you mentioned and also found that slightly readjusting my anchor point on my cheek further from my ear and closer to my mouth reduced the gap almost all the way and tighted my groups.
Great timing. I set up a new bow for the upcoming season. My groups from 30 and beyond were terrible so I moved down to a 3/16 peep (from 1/4) and that fixed the issue. Now I'm worried that in low light I'm not going to be able to see through it well. Guess I'll have to see. Anyway, great video, your videos are always very helpful.
I have hunted with failing eyesight and 3/16" for years with tremendous success. I imagine you will as well!
this actually help a lot because i just recently started using sight because wanted to shoot more then 90ft. and it is pretty difficult without sights and also i picked up a new bow to me and it had sights on it! i went from a mandarin duck phantom 56 30in draw 45draw weight to a PSE flash with 29inch draw and 70draw weight
This is great advice. I never would have thought of touching the ring to the top of the peep. I have the Fast Eddy with that massive MRT scope about half way back on the dovetail and it's still too small for a 1/8th peep. Gonna try this.
years ago before round pin housings, and when my eyes were young, I used a very small peep. I target practiced and shot 3d mostly with a tiny peep. For hunting it was terrible so for quite awhile I worked on and adjustable peep. never really got it going. I had three different designs. the one I wanted to produce was like a camera aperture. it would have been cool. lol
Just went through this and I want to say thank you for helping me through everything.. 🤘
You are so welcome!
Thank you this made much needed sense to me!
Cool idea! I'll have to try that. I'm running a 1/4" peep bit I'm also running a Spot Hogg with a big housing.
And as a part time stay at home dad with three boys I know how challenging it is trying to get some practice time in.
Those SH housings are HUGE. Plus, interchangeable rings on some models make it nice.
@@averagejackarchery I'm planning to replace my double pin housing with their new vertical three pin. Looks sick.
Just bought my first bow today bear cruzer g3 i had the rear peep sighted but i believe i didnt get the right look down it didnt touch nose just lip on disc and was able to see my sights but i didnt check for the ring rookie mistake went to shoot it same day and was lining up my shot for bullseye and was hitting high everytime i realized my mistake on it put my nose to the string and cant see my first dot or top of ring through the peep sight but shot it that way and was getting my shots in bullseye and close to it gonna have to go back to the shop to get realigned! 😅
I did same thing yesterday.. Shot back of nock in half.. And went thru my silver BLU RZ fletching... gotta love it. I suck. I wish I could shoot better at 30-40yrd
Every video is frustrating - BUT- this is all apart of the learning and re-learning process. Each segment, as usual, "is" informative and educational for we Returning Archers / Bow Hunters. My Daughter and I are having peep issues...they're twisting, AS we draw back.. we are seeing half or in my case Quarter moon. email is on its way...
Good info i shoot a 1/4 inch for low light and not great eyes lol. I’ve had to adjust my sights ring for that very reason
I didn’t even know this was a thing…I’ve been shooting all over the place..grouping well but in random spots. Often to the right. My peep is a little twisted now too.
I had that issue so I aligned the top edge and sighted it in at that point.
Very helpful!
Love this man and thank you
Good information thanks.
I just went from a 1/4 with the large spot hogg multiring, to a 3/16th with the single ring housing....perfect. Much more accurate.
Used to be a time when we started out with 1 size peep and used a drill bit to enlarge it to the desired size. Then we got Pick a Peep that had 3 holes. Times have sure changed.
Old-school 👍
@@prdwite6992 Not everything for the better. I dislike a short ATA bows, hate high letoffs and cant stand the aluminum arrow pretty much going extinct. 15.00 for 1 carbon arrow is crazy..lol
@jebstuart1323 Yeah I use to shoot those aluminum arrows like 10 years ago Haven't Archery hunted in a long time but I drew out for a once in a lifetime premium elk hunt so I'm In kind of a rush to get prepared. Just picked up a hoyt spider zt.
Good video but rifle shooters shooting peeps would have the same problem but the theory is the brain naturally centers the front sight in the rear peep. That’s how a practiced shooter can hit consistently at 100+ yards with a peeped rifle. I would think the same should apply here. I shoot a large 1/4” hunters peep and have for years. When I get my anchor I just relax and let my brain center the front pins right in the center just like when I shoot my 30-30 which is peeped as well. I have had no issue shooting groups at 30-40 yards that have arrows slapping each other. I don’t do target btw.
I’m having a “Mr Hand flashback”. Showing my age. Great video Thanks
I understand the concept, but I’m a bow hunter , I don’t shoot comp anymore, 1/4” peep at dusk and dawn trumps 1/8 or 3/16 in deer hunting! I’ve shot deer out to 53yds with my 1/4” peep all the way to 5 yards and all in between!
Wicked advice
Great video and content. Somewhat related to this, have you ever done a video on recommendations and pros & cons around how far to position your sight from the riser? With today's dovetail mounts such as my Black Gold Ascent Verdict, I hear some people say push the sight out as far as it'll go, and then others say to keep it closer to the riser. There seems to be a lot of differing opinions.
Like I state in the video, you have two options: move your sight to match your peep, or change your peep to match your sight, and push your sight out relatively far. The latter is the preferred method as accuracy is best achieved with your aiming points farther way from each other. However, for the normal bowhunter at home, moving the sight in and out to match their already chosen peep size is much easier to accomplish.
@@averagejackarchery Thanks! I'll try playing around with it to line the peep up like you suggested. I might try going to a larger 1/4" peep this year to let more light in, and also hopefully improve my ability to see 50+ yards. At almost 60 years old, I struggled at 60 and 70 yard distances last year :-) I think I can also order a larger 2" housing for my sight.
But what happens when you hunt and it starts to get dark, eye pupil opens up and the peep blurs out more so what your eye considers edge of the peep changes. You can change a peep without a press too, just put two smooth round plastic objects in the triangles above and below the peep and plop out the old one. Sharpie marker is perfect size and shape for the job.
What do you do if when at full draw, your anchor point and nose on string, the sight is too for left or right for you to bring the whole sight into the peep?
I'm shooting ok for a noob, but my sight is off to the right when aiming. If I move my head to the left to line it up my nose goes off the string.
I R.I.P.'ed my peep sight... I got so frustrated with peep sight rotisserie I tried the tube peep sight. Well even that started grinding my gears. So one day when I had had enough I took all my peep sizzles and punted those biotches like it was 4th an 10! Aint used one since. Im no more accurate but I aint no more off either! As long as I keep fallin into my 3-4 anchors and put the string over the pin point as best I can when I release.... pfffft!
Have to tie the peep in correctly ! Don’t let cabelas type stores do it, they are not trained archery techs!
@@reddawng43x91 ...& Bass Pro, yea its a retail/dept store just like Walmart. But the closest bow shop is like a hundred miles away so I gota do it myself lol
From the furthest distance that I have shot, my groupings look like that: I haven't gotten past the 5-yard marker yet. 😎😂
Can’t wait to try this
Fairly new archer here and had a question on what exactly I'm suppose to see when looking through my peep sight? I have a Blackgold Dual Trac with the bright green housing. Am I supposed to be seeing the entire green housing or should the green part be covered up and if I see it then I know I'm not aligned properly? I was using a 3/16" peep, but couldn't see any of the green so I moved up to a 1/4", but now I see daylight around my sight housing which got me thinking what exactly am I supposed to see through the sight? Moved the sight closer to me on the riser, but still see daylight around the housing. Depending on what should see I was either going to move back to 3/16" or try a 7/32" peep. Thoughts? Thanks for all the great videos and good luck this season!
Plz make a video for cam lean adjustment for wrong arrow flight in different direction
Me: great group!!!
Him: this is terrible!!!
Would you like to know how many arrows I've had to re-fletch for the same reason as you?? More than I care to think about !! But, at least I didn't "Robin Hood" the arrows (I've had a few of those too) !!!
Oh come on now let's have Troy indulge us with his wisdom as well on this peep issue 🤣🤣🤣👍
Great content as always.
What kind of release are you using it looks special and like it's set up to use your index finger to release the trigger release
I think my peep sight is too high or to low. I struggle to bring my bow arm up to get the pin on target (my shoulder is down) so I'm thinking it could be my sight position? Any ideas/ suggestions. Thank you from an frustrated "below" average archer. 🏹🤠👍
How many takes did it take for that last group?? ;)) just kidding, great video. I actually was lining it up at the bottom, but will try changing to line it up at the top now!
Believe it or not that was just my second group of the day!!! I'm just as surprised as you are. Lol
I shoot field archery and have located my peep to be centered when my sight is dialed to 40 yards as that is the mid point between my max and min yardage that I have to shoot for field. This means when I shoot at 10 or 70-80 yards my peep isn’t centered on my scope housing. Are you saying that the peep sight should always be centered on your scope housing? I can see that for a hunting setup at shortened range of distances but it doesn’t seem to work when there is a large range of distances.
I think no I’m sure I have this problem but I also getting to old and bad eyes even with the correct glasses on but I just can’t stop chasing them deer 👍✌🏻🇺🇸
2 questions ,what is your target bow , and what arrows were those ? awesome advice and video btw bro !
That's a Rezult 38, and the arrows Sirius Supernovas.
@@averagejackarchery thank you brother for your reply .
Love this video. But what if my peep is to small for my sight housing? How should I line that up? I have my sight out as far as it will go and a 1/4 inch peep. BUt still cant see the full outer ring of my housing. Would aligning the top of the housing to the top of the peep still be best? Even if that keeps me from seeing my level?
What was the tape for? When making the peep alignment do I move my head or the bow?
So you always align the "12" of the peep with the "12" of the sight housing?
Good video. How would you look to align your peep when shoot a single pin slider ?
It's the same whether its a single pin or fixed pin. Peep ring lines up on sight housing.
Well I guess this comes with another question that I am currently having problems with. When you set your peep height for a distance lets say 50 yards, how do you set your sight tape up because at 100 yards without changing your anchor point the sight is completely out of frame. If you do change your anchor point it is almost impossible to find a sight tape that works.
That means your maximum distance for you to shoot a target with that particular bow is the lowest set on site tape that you can see in frame ! Back in the day I would line my peep up with my arrow tip for my 100yd target
Good video
Great
I’m having an issue where I feel like I have to bring my head and neck forward and down a lot so I can get a good look into my peep. If I keep my head up in a neutral position my peep is all the way to the right. How do I correct this ? :/
Thanks for your tip! But I got a question here, the peep size looks different under different lighting, it's much smaller under sunshine and much bigger in dawn or evening, if align the top edge, the angle will be different, and might be shooting high in darker situations?
Only practice will tell you that! I find that when that happens with me, my ability to shoot distance also shrinks. The closer the shot as light fades or gathers, means wider margin of error for accuracy with a peep that isn't perfectly aligned. I find for me especially, I have a bad left-right alignment the darker it gets. I'll group left by ~2-3" at 30 yards but the time legal light has completely expired.
Is your daughters name Sophie? I ask, cause that’s my daughters name and her grandparents have called her soph. Anyways great video, always learn a bunch. I will ask, how do you aim with glasses on; I just started but i look at the pin through the middle of my glasses, and it’s not clear. How should I fix this?
True story, I have no idea how to fix stuff with glasses yet! I only myself started shooting last October with them. 😬 Are you near or far sighted?
@@averagejackarchery I am nearsighted, my optometrist says contacts won't help my vision, I have looked at sights that have a magnification but not sure if it will be the same as looking at the target without drawing my bow. If you ever figure it out, please do a video on it. Thanks, and if I come up with a system I'll send you a dm.
I like to use a large peep for the light gathering ability. My sight housing has nothing to do with my aiming process. I never look at my level, either. If I don’t get too lazy, I usually remove the level.
Better yet, use a single pin - then you can ignore the front scope/sight housing all together and just center the pin with your peep.
Use a small peep and your brain will automatically want to centre the pin.
I’m running the same sight, and do have 1/4” peep. What size peep are you running that you find fits the cbe engage housing well?
Like I say in the video, for my 31" draw and the sight all the way out, I run a 5/32" peep.
Start the fire! What dribble. I don’t hunt paper
What do you think about the mathews mxz solo cam?
A dinosaur by compound standards! But definitely a quality built bow even by today's standards.
Im a new shooter, and my peep sight is good. But a problem i have (at least i think) is that from 8 o'clock to 10 o'clock my sight ring is behind my riser. (Left hand shooter). My groupings are good, but all videos i see say you should see the whole ring in your sight..is it normal or should i go to my local tech?
Something is definitely off. If your riser blocks your sight, either a) you have an enormous sight housing, or b) something is out of tune.
Are you still going to use the pierced vane or replace it immediately?
I used it until I damaged another fletch. Lol. Then I refletched everything.
@@averagejackarchery ok, then we’re the same. Lol
I use em till they start flying crazy or making noise ! If ur bows tuned properly a arrow with 1 tore fletching and missing 2 others completely will impact same as new arrow
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Old video but got a question, I got a new Mathews v3x at 66lbs 29.5 inch draw. Noticing when i draw back and look through my peep I can see my cables off to the right side of the peep. Guy at shop said it’s normal but any bow I have ever had( Hoyt turbo, reign 7, prime centergy) I NEVER have seen the cables before. I aim using the sight system that lets the dove tale go inside the riser. Not sure if that matters or not but it’s really weird! Is this normal??
Many bows and shooters have this combined issue. Has the bow been tuned?
@@averagejackarchery It got the standard from the shop when I got it, checked timing, got my peep in, aligned the rest, paper tuned,although I wasn’t satisfied with the paper as it’s ever slightly tearing knock right. Tech said there’s not much to do for it since Mathews has a certain yolk system and since I don’t have the integrated rest I can move the rest much further. So idk I might have to take it to a Pro shop, usually I tinker with it as much as I can without a bow press.
@@1william89 look up elk shape he's got a video on setting up his v3x may give you some info
Can a peep be to small? What size the pro shooter use for target comp.
Yes, it can be. If you can't see the ring of your sight housing, the peep is too small.
i must be an anomaly because my pro shop dropped me 2-3 peep sizes down to fix double vision after switching to my thumb release and all it did was make my target more blurry i was much better and more consistent and more accurate with the bigger peep lmfao
Which you bow is that?Elite Ritual 35 or?
Rezult 38
What diameter do consider a large/small sight housing?
For generic, hunting style sights, anything less than 2" is definitely on the smaller side.
Do u line up your peep on the pin on the bow
I line up the two rings of the peep and sight housing. The pin(s) stay fixed within the housing and I move the whole set together.
What brand of stabilizers are those?
They are from a builder actually in my hometown! Nate at BowFreak Stabilizers does excellent work and when I asked for a custom set to match my target rig he did not disappoint. www.bowfreakstabilizers.com/shop
What uv light is that for your pins?
Check out Illumapin Sight Lights! Made in USA right in Michigan. Ben, the owner, knows his stuff! Great prices too. He even offered a 10% discount code AJA10 at checkout. I don't make a dime! Just a good deal for a good friend.
You could just move your sight back some and it help fill that giant hole of a big peep
If you watch the whole video, I addressed that around 2/3 of the time through.
I dropped a peep and went with a nose button.
"All you guys shooting 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90 or even 100 yards" lol which is it?
You blink every time you let the shot off
Its not babysitting when its your kid. Really wish the world would quit normalizing that fathers dont have an inherent duty to take care of their own kids.
Please stop. You have no clue how a peep works. You do not align in around the housing. Old sights back in the day had no housings. Rifle sights had a bladed front sight with a brass bead on top. No front government like a target rifle. The peep is simply to look through. Your BRAIN centers it for you. You just look at the pin you plan to use and your brain does the rest. All you UA-camrs are telling this all wrong. You need to be old like me to understand how peeps work. You all need some peep education.
Let me explain. By aligning the peep hole around your sight housing, the one ok. That will be the clearest is the one closest to the center of the housing. This is why you are to just look through that hole and pick the pin you plan to use and stare at it and your target. Then forget the peep is even there. Please, please get educated on how a peep works before you get everyone who follows you t hi inking you are right, and we end up with thousands of archers doing it wrong, and doing another step they don’t have to do.
Old housings couldn't have peep alignment, rifles aren't bows, and modern technology has drastically allowed better accuracy across the board with modern target scopes and sight housings. I don't know of a single competitive archer that changes the anchor position of the peep to center it around a pin. If they do, good for them! But us remaining mortals will continue to shoot this way with tremendous success.