This is the type of comparison/review I enjoy. You thoroughly demonstrated what the title proclaimed -- G7se v G7. No pushy sales pitch. No "this one costs more, so you gotta get this one for the clout!" crap, either. Just straight forward doing what you said you would do. And you helped me make up my mind on which one I'm getting. Much appreciated! New sub, too!
it's not for me. it said "(hall effect vs potentiometer)" in the title. so that is what i expected the focus to be on. right away he starts about the weight and is already wasting my time.
Hey I do have all the segments in chapters so you can only view the ones you prefer. The title is G7 vs G7se the other bit in brackets just to distinguish as they both have that major difference. I havent't made a video just talking about hall effect vs Potentiometer yet@@attack125
@@Gamewizz9 ooh that game scares me with building and stuff 😂. I did try all the different response curves in COD (linear, dynamic, standard) and found the issue in raw mode existed for all of them on the SE. Going back and forth between these 2 feels so different at first, u really need a few minutes to get adjusted. Saying that if you’ll only be playing on one, it’ll become second nature and you won’t even notice. I was hoping the Hall effect wouldn’t feel different so someone playing on different controllers at times wouldn’t need to adjust. I can literally pick the gambit after fusion and play ok, even though their response is different. The SE though has me thinking of ditching the precision rings, but I’m finding that difficult 😂
Wow, very refreshing to see someone with and in-depth knowledge of how controllers function doing reviews. Rather than just being like "BeTter CuZ MagNEtz." You deserve way more views.
That’s an amazing suggestion. I did check the poling rate and both came back 4ms so 250hz. Overclocking I need to look into as I only play on consoles, but the info would be helpful for others. Circularity though man is a bit strange to me, its just showing the circular error rate, if the sticks have a circular gate. I recently reviewed the Raikiri and that has 0 error rate, but that causes an issue, the maximum input in a corner is so minute, that hitting it can become difficult. For example diving in COD then pushing the stick forward and pressing it, the character won’t run coz u haven’t hit the absolute forward. I did fix it by reducing the outer deadzone in game settings, but it baffled me a bit.
Such a pleasant review. Nice aesthetics and setting, you have calm way of talking and you clearly explain the differences. Easy to follow. Nice job, well done! I ordered myself a G7 SE now. I have Elite Series 2 controller but it lasted only for 2 years and now the bumber buttons are broken. Very disappointed to the quality and don't want to spend 180 euros for new controller. So going to try this one for a change. Have a nice xmas! Are you going to do review of Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra - controller?
Hey bro thank you so much for leaving such an amazing comment. Yes I’ve got the stealth ultra on preorder, hoping to get it on 15th. Usually my reviews are done after 20-30 hours of game time, but for stealth ultra I might do a first impressions video with some test results. Also G7se has got the update for 1000hz on Xbox, really made a huge difference to the controller, now with 1000hz it’s actually performing better than the G7 which also got the 1000hz. I think I’m going to make a new video covering this topic again. Gamesir has me really busy 😂
I personally like the hall effect stick movement. Just got the GuliKit, and decided to lube its sticking face buttons just to support the movement. I guess the mentioned calibration issues will slowly fade away as the tech gets more widespread and more companies put in work! I share the idea, buy the hall effect one to vote with your wallet! Nice balanced video, thanks for the work!
@@thephototechy Ahh, found it on twitter. Looks interesting! Great thing they improved the wired polling rate, curious about the wireless performance. (Wich was totally slow AND inconsistent , yeah, that is two different things, with the old PC adapter... waiting for the GoKu.) About the back buttons though: Wondering if you can reach them with your index on bumpers and middle finger on triggers. (RocketLeague position :) ) Hope they also fix (or at least factory lube) their face buttons. Everything else purrfect :)
@@orboksanci I’m surprised about the face buttons as they seem to be advertising those with 50m actuations which is insane. I’m hoping to make a gaming PC so I can review more controllers. The stuff coming out of mainland China looks very interesting.
@@theFoxxx866 I keep thinking the Hall effect stick might not be able to have a true raw mode. It’s their coz of the normal G7, as they both use the same nexus software.
@@thephototechy Beyond the 100% to Raw on the Left Stick to help me make sharper steering turns for the games (Ride 4) and (Forza Horizon 4 & 5) racing games
100% It can register small movements between 0.00025 and 0.00049 in the gamepad tester consistently. My motogp22 récords dropped 1 second almost right away.
I have really been looking into the Gamesir G7 and the Gamesir G7 SE. I find it veeeeery disappointing that they would remove the mechanical button switches and go back to membrane for the SE. Your conclusion about "sending a message" so-to-speak at the end there is exactly what I want to do. I WANT hall effect sticks. I WANT mechanical button switches. See my problem? I even tend to prefer the lovely feeling rubber back grips but that isn't the selling feature on either for me. I want a controller with **BOTH** mechanical switches AND hall effect sticks.
I hear you bro, specially when the normal G7 has amazing mechanical buttons, I think they are even better than Razer wolverine chroma’s. I can’t say their reason of omitting the mechanical ABXY, also not using the metal dome buttons in the Dpad, which gives a sharper response like in the standard Xbox series controller. I do hope we get the option at some point, specially when people chose to buy the SE more than the normal G7.
@@vovazagach1781Appreciate the comment but eventually decided I'm just done with requiring Xbox compatibility as I'm sticking to PC. Went with the Gamesir T4 Kalied. It's absolutely phenominal for PC gaming plus 1k polling rate.
For longevity alone I'd suck up the fact the controller is mostly white, having Hall effect modules in controllers nowadays is a must, especially when people like us don't got the money to drop every time our controller starts drifting
Thank you for this very nice video, helped me a lot on choosing my new controller. Also great indepth review of both controllers. Also I wanted to ask how is the thumbstick tension on the SE? I have a 8bitdo Ultimate and i find its stick tension to be too heavy
Hey you are most welcome! The thumbstick tension is on the lower side on SE and feels smooth. The return to centre could be a bit stronger for my liking but overall very good, much better than my elite series2, which only has use of looking good 😂.
Hey so the spring in the stick lose some tension after use and I’d say it’ll have about 4-5% register, that’s after about 50 hours of use. This behave normal for all the thumbstick modules and not game breaking at all. The controllers that have perfect centre and no drift, have built in deadzones implemented, from anywhere 1-5%. It’s something gamesir have given us the option to use or not. I decided to disable the deadzones and use in game deadzones if the drift was too much. Hall effect sticks will definitely last longer then potentiometer sticks, but the minor drift at rest will be there if no deadzones are applied.
Thanks bro! I mainly play Rocket League and the SE is so bad, I don't have the same sensations as with a PowerA Enhanced series X or a normal controller, the sticks are so different, even in raw profile, it's frustrating and strange considering the precision, it's very slow and I feel a kind of latency, do you think the G7 is better at this level? Are the sticks better than the bad PowerA or a normal controller?
Hey So the Xbox standard controller is a bit different han the PowerA enhanced. I made a video on the response curve test and Xbox controllers make a square with in the max boundaries, where as PowerA enhanced will make a circle. I've read somewhere that Rocket League can actually use the extra diagonal inputs. So I'd suggest if you prefer the PowerA more than the standard then the normal G7 in raw mode might feel better to you. One thing I'd suggest if you have updated to 6.25 on the SE is to enable raw mode and reduce the max from 100 to 85 or 90 and see if the responsiveness gets better. the reason is the values are affected in the whole range once you reduce the maximum deadzones, hope this helps bro.
@@thephototechy Hi and thanks for your responsiveness! so yes I have the latest update and I had already seen via one of your other videos that the raw mode was better and indeed it is but it still lacks responsiveness (I tried 80 75 and 50), I feel sluggish and sometimes too precise or not enough in certain movements, the PowerA controller is perfect for RL, the only problem is the drift joystick and the lack of "precision" every 2 months, so I bought the G7 to see if it replaces it properly, because I absolutely need a controller with buttons on the back for a more ergonomic key combination, but there are so many with buttons placed strangely for me (the PowerA (+1500h) is really nickel with the button that falls on the middle finger).
Hey I’d say either of these would be a very good option on Xbox. If you are worried about stick drift then go with the SE l, but if you are like me and stick drift hasn’t ruined any controllers for you, then G7 with mechanical buttons and rubber grips is amazing to use.
I think the kontrol freeks give the sticks unwanted weigh which gives it stick drift because my controller had kontrol freeks and my brothers didn't and his is lasting so much longer plus we got them at the same time so im hoping the g7 se is my fix
Hey that’s an amazing point. Yes kontrolfreeks will add weight and the spring in effect lose some tension. Still I think the amounts I showed is nothing to worry about. Most games has 10% deadzones as standard. The G7se is definitely looking like the solution to our stick drift issues. I’m hoping firmware updates will keep coming and these become the norm for all of us.
Yeah, when I used kontrol freeks or tall sticks I notice a little reverberation when I’m trying to flick or throw my tacs. I suggest getting used to stock sticks and adjust sens in game
Hey thanks, I wish I could. the only pc I have is my dell laptop and can't really game on it. I'm thinking of building a gaming PC and use it for work as well, the price scares me a bit. T4 though checks so many boxes.
@@thephototechy Big time. Had some bad drift/wobble in my elite 2 even with a deadzone of around 12 (whatever low is in apex). I play with a deadzone of 4% on the T4, which is the absolute lowest I can do with 0 stick drift (there is the slightest amount of wobble). I set the deadzone to none in apex so it is really at the 4% I set in the gamesir software. Much more responsive but took a couple days to get used to. My aim is much better now though. It’s playable at lower than 4% but I prefer 0 drift
@@e-dubbs Thanks alot for the reply bro, I'm going to try and get the T4, I think the G7 is causing issues for G7se, as the nexus software was made for G7, and that could be the reason for the raw mode to act out.
Hey the G7 is using alps sticks and se has Ksilver jh16, in my jh16 video I found the spring to be smaller than alps and it shows, they do have less tension. Getting adjusted to G7se sticks was not a problem, even with sticks losing more tension after serious amount of game time.
Quick question for you if you don't mind? How comes the circularity test on the G7 (not SE) model is 0.4 on my controller? I've got the sticks configured as 0-100% in normal (not raw) mode. For some reason, I thought the circularity would be a lot worse given they are potentiometer sticks. Or do hall effect sticks only affect dead zones rather than circularity? Once again, appreciate your time.
Hey I haven’t tried the T4 but have seen amazing reviews of it. Also I’m not on PC yet, definitely it’s something I’m saving up for. I was thinking of doing an external GPU solution for my laptop but let’s see. Sorry can’t help you much atm.
Hey I checked on the packet and it says Xbox,PlayStation and switch pro. So I think it works on all of them. I have certainly tried them on PlayStation and Xbox controllers.
Hi mate me again lol I'm looking into getting another controller as I keep going back to the se and always find myself aiming worse. Is the normal G7 like normal controllers ? I really do like the shape and feel of the gamesirs and if the aiming feels like that of a Victrix gambit with the normal G7 I'll get it lol
Man the gambit is actually one of a kind. The G7 would be very much like the standard controller with 2 different aiming options, one circular profile and the other is their raw profile. I much prefer the raw profile as it feels snappier. I’m not gonna lie, the only other controller that sorta feels like the gambit but still a bit different, is the ROG Raikiri, but it’s such a confusing product. I was testing the PDP rematch as Inhad it opened and took the potentiometer out so had to recalibrate it, and that feels very close to Gambit. I know victrix and PDP are the same, I think the response curve they are using is doing something to ignore the implemented deadzones, just my feeling. I’m actually thinking of making a video showing the precision tester result of different controllers I have and how they feel whilst gaming. Something I just discovered is how different controllers are dealing with diagonals. The only was I can test this is precision tester and it clearly shows the difference, where some controllers add values to the diagonals and others are smooth. Gambit is of the smooth variety, but has this jitter at every position, which might be the reason of so precise dampened feeling, as if the aim stops exactly where we want to, something I find other controllers a little bit different. I’d definitely say that the G7 currently is better feeling to me than the SE. I’ve tried putting a lot of time on the SE and like you I feel the controller kinda not working for my play style. When I switch to any other controller, even the standard series controller, it just feels so familiar.
@@thephototechy yeh the gambit was definitely my all time fave nothing has come close so far except the rematch with regards to aim as you said but I feel like the stick tension along with that cheap feeling like hard to press back buttons and such sometimes messes me up moving around quickly 🤣 I love the quality feel of the gamesir so I hope the G7 is the same as the se as I've just ordered one haha the se will not sit in my controller draw and hopefully one day make a return when they realise they have made the best controller with the worst aiming experience to date 😂
@@ashleyibbitson7011 I know what you mean bro, I think maybe they wanted to be the first licensed Xbox Hall effect controller, hence some features are missing. I did get a comment from someone who spoke to them, and was told there’s an update coming with fixed raw mode and the ability to reduce the max outer deadzone with max input register, unlike what we have currently. It’s a shame that only the gambit has this favor union’s highest quality sticks. I honestly believe it’s the combination of the module and PDP’s chosen response that makes it such a good aiming controller. I do hope we can see more from PDP with this combo, specially at the $50 price.
@@thephototechy mate my G7 came today the black version and wow this feels sooo much better than the white one I feel like the grip is different too like my fingers are resting on the ridge of the triggers more the sticks feel great I can actually aim again now lol
If you can pay the price of the G7se then that’s definitely the one to go for. Rematch is the cheapest licensed Xbox controller and a really good value at its price, but G7se is turning out to be an amazing deal.
Hey that’s a good point. I remember some time ago one of my cameras had this issue, specially when in the summer you have the sweat and heat mixing with the rubber.
Hey so instead of the normal potentiometer based sticks that wear over time, Hall effect uses magnets that are contact free, and not susceptible to the same level of wear and tear as the normal carbon based potentiometer. The normal sticks have a minimum life cycle rating of 2 million actuations, Hall effect sticks are rated for 5 million minimum actuations, so in theory more than double the life of a normal thumbstick module.
Sorry for not commenting, im grinding the cod battle pass as crazy The se is not avaible in my country right now, but i watched your videos multiple times and im waiting a little but i need a new controller soon because i sent back my fusion pro 3 (after a few days) so im considering between the normal g7 or v2 chroma or the thrustmaster eswap s pro Xbox kontrolfreaks fit on the g7?
@@thephototechy thanks for the response I just can't get used to those buttons and triggers, after days i still activate accidentally the back buttons and the triggers, it's a good controller by the way, just too easy to activate the back buttons and triggers for me, these are the main reason, and the final i want something more premium
Hey bro, I havent played fifa in years but from what I remember the sticks do get used seriously. I don't know if there are any deadzone adjustments in fifa but you'll be able to keep the deadzones lower on G7se than G7 in my experience.
So in raw mode the sticks feel familiar I’d say. The snapping is there, that’s not to say Hall effect in 100 maximum are bad, just a bit different. I’ve noticed another thing, it feels the radius for sticks to move is a tiny bit larger on G7se, that’s probably why reducing the in game maximum deadzone helped me a lot. Like I said the Hall effects are the future. Hopefully they’ll keep getting better and better. Going back and forth I prefer the G7 coz it’s familiar, I’m putting alot of time with the SE now and really enjoying it. You see 20 years on potentiometer is taking a bit to adjust on something else 😂
Hey no you’ll need ps4/ps5 ones. The other option would be to get Xbox replacement plastic thumbsticks and replace the gamesir ones and calibrate it, this’ll make the controller a bit more responsive than standard, but you’ll be able to use your Xbox kontrolfreeks.
i just buy the protection plan at best buy and use the regular xbox one controllers. after around a year they get stick drift and i just take it in to best buy and trade it for a new one. i pay $20 more to put the warranty back on it, so i get a new controller for $20 every year
That’s a neat trick bro. Some places might not have these options. I did purchase something called Microsoft complete for my elite S2. It’s supposed to be 3 year damage cover, costs £15 here in U.k.
a bit new here! but planning to purchase either one of them. if the stick cap is trashed due to wear (I don't like wearing extension etc), which one should be the replacement? Dualshock or Xbox ones?
I really want a controller that I can use long time without having to constantly repair or replace. If anyone used the gamesir g7 se for many years, are there any issue like stick drift?
Hey I’ve only used the G7se and personally the T4 cyclone looks better to me in terms of design. Saying that the G7se is probably better for medium to small hands for comfort, but if playing on PC then T4 cyclone is a better option, only if you don’t need Xbox compatibility.
Hey did you check how much input register you have at rest on the left stick? Also you can try a manual calibration as well and see if that fixes it. To enter manual calibration you need to press and hold Xbox, menu & view buttons in then plug the controller in, the led will start flashing, rotate each stick 3 times and press the triggers in 3 times then press A on the controller, the led will go off, disconnect and reconnect the calibration is done, hope this helps.
Hey I use a portable 17.3” 1080p 144hz G-Story monitor, it’s an amazing option if you need a space saving setup. I did try one these new 18.5” 120hz monitors and they feel amazing as well, just not as readily available yet, hope this helps.
Hey, I think its not bad at all and won't affect game play. The whole mechanism is relying on the spring now, as there is no friction from the potentiometer, so even little bit loss of spring tension could feel a lot more. Mind you I really tested this thing and was being harsh whilst gaming so that can be a big reason as well. It'll become an issue if its over 8-9% coz keeping a 10% deadzone one can feel the stick being a bit sluggish.
@@thephototechyJust got my G7 yesterday and tested it in Tales of Arise, and yeah 10% dead zone really is too much, would it be ok if I set both sticks to 5%, I mean no stick drift or something?
@@vovazagach1781 hey I’m using 0 in nexus and setting my deadzones in the game settings. If your game doesn’t have a deadzone setting, then chances are they are applying some minimum deadzones already. So definitely play with the numbers in nexus and see if you have any drift in your game. You definitely don’t want nexus deadzones doubling with your in game deadzones.
After doing some testing I find if I set the left thumbstick beyond the max 100% setting to Raw using the software app, I can better make them sharper tight Left & Right corners when I play Ride 4 Cycle Bike gameplay. If I lower it down more I just can't turn lean as far in any racing game at all.
Hey I guess the game has the ability to use the extra diagonal inputs. The 6.25 update has just come out and they have changed the raw mode for better now, I hope you are enjoying the controller so far.
I think a lot of people are having the same problem. The price has gone up for UK on gamesir website from £36 to £49 now for both so these are definitely very popular.
Hey bro so I tested a good few controllers doing screen recordings, and I found the G7se to be a slightly slower in 250hz, but the new 1000hz improved it so much that it’s faster than the rest now. I’ll be making a video showing this very soon.
@@thephototechy i used xbox controller which is 125hz and it still better than hall effect. I even modded hall effect stick into my xbox controller and it so weird to aim.
If they added trigger stops this would've been it. who knows maybe they are keeping it for a pro version with 4 back buttons and trigger stops (one can wish)
The question here did anybody get any stick drift from the G7SE I'm getting so tired of the default Xbox One and series x controllers getting stick drift that knocks me off cliffs when I'm playing ruminant or just any game that has a cliff lol
Hey I got some drift but it’s not at rest position due to spring losing tension. Gamesir has implemented a manual calibration option and it really helps manage the lose spring slop, I’ve made a video on it and the link is below. I’ve also just shot a video talking about stick drift and potentiometer Hall effect, should be out in a day or two. ua-cam.com/video/uRdcU13SVjY/v-deo.htmlsi=CEnXrwfth6tfGllD
Hey it’s a portable 17.3” Gstory monitor. I bought it used off eBay as I can’t seem to find new ones. Uperfect has some really good portable monitor options with high refresh rates.
One of the best reviews out there. Genuine, extremely detailed with solid recommendations. Keep it up!
Hey thanks bro!
This is the type of comparison/review I enjoy. You thoroughly demonstrated what the title proclaimed -- G7se v G7. No pushy sales pitch. No "this one costs more, so you gotta get this one for the clout!" crap, either. Just straight forward doing what you said you would do. And you helped me make up my mind on which one I'm getting.
Much appreciated! New sub, too!
Thanks bro, really appreciate the support!
it's not for me.
it said "(hall effect vs potentiometer)" in the title. so that is what i expected the focus to be on. right away he starts about the weight and is already wasting my time.
Hey I do have all the segments in chapters so you can only view the ones you prefer. The title is G7 vs G7se the other bit in brackets just to distinguish as they both have that major difference. I havent't made a video just talking about hall effect vs Potentiometer yet@@attack125
Great video bruv! Can't wait for my G7 SE. I hope they'll give us an option to change the response curve.
Ah man if we have that, this will be the only controller for me, even with our trigger stops. Hope u enjoy yours.
@@thephototechyCould you try it out in Fortnite? I have seen the game has a setting that allows you to pick between a linear and exponential response.
@@Gamewizz9 ooh that game scares me with building and stuff 😂. I did try all the different response curves in COD (linear, dynamic, standard) and found the issue in raw mode existed for all of them on the SE.
Going back and forth between these 2 feels so different at first, u really need a few minutes to get adjusted. Saying that if you’ll only be playing on one, it’ll become second nature and you won’t even notice.
I was hoping the Hall effect wouldn’t feel different so someone playing on different controllers at times wouldn’t need to adjust. I can literally pick the gambit after fusion and play ok, even though their response is different. The SE though has me thinking of ditching the precision rings, but I’m finding that difficult 😂
Oh okay. Thanks tho😂
@@thephototechy There's a ZB mode. It's like CoD.
Wow, very refreshing to see someone with and in-depth knowledge of how controllers function doing reviews. Rather than just being like "BeTter CuZ MagNEtz." You deserve way more views.
I love the Gamesir G7 SE! The sticks feel super smooth. I play apex on Raw mode and it feels super responsive.
Yh I'm using 0 - 100 left stick and 3 - raw on right stick on apex
@@dannydavito201 wdym help me out here 😅😭
I’m looking to buy this but my only concern is the two back buttons. I don’t play claw so I need 4 back buttons
@@elijnrdid you end up getting it
@@restenborne but I swear that’s probably the best comfortable and responsive controller I’ve even used. Except from the dualsense edge
insane quality!! Keep up the great reviews!
Hey thank you so much bro!
great video only thing that would make it better is showing the stock input delay and overclocked delay as well as cicuralarity
That’s an amazing suggestion. I did check the poling rate and both came back 4ms so 250hz. Overclocking I need to look into as I only play on consoles, but the info would be helpful for others.
Circularity though man is a bit strange to me, its just showing the circular error rate, if the sticks have a circular gate. I recently reviewed the Raikiri and that has 0 error rate, but that causes an issue, the maximum input in a corner is so minute, that hitting it can become difficult. For example diving in COD then pushing the stick forward and pressing it, the character won’t run coz u haven’t hit the absolute forward. I did fix it by reducing the outer deadzone in game settings, but it baffled me a bit.
Such a pleasant review. Nice aesthetics and setting, you have calm way of talking and you clearly explain the differences. Easy to follow. Nice job, well done! I ordered myself a G7 SE now. I have Elite Series 2 controller but it lasted only for 2 years and now the bumber buttons are broken. Very disappointed to the quality and don't want to spend 180 euros for new controller. So going to try this one for a change. Have a nice xmas! Are you going to do review of Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra - controller?
Hey bro thank you so much for leaving such an amazing comment. Yes I’ve got the stealth ultra on preorder, hoping to get it on 15th. Usually my reviews are done after 20-30 hours of game time, but for stealth ultra I might do a first impressions video with some test results. Also G7se has got the update for 1000hz on Xbox, really made a huge difference to the controller, now with 1000hz it’s actually performing better than the G7 which also got the 1000hz. I think I’m going to make a new video covering this topic again. Gamesir has me really busy 😂
I personally like the hall effect stick movement. Just got the GuliKit, and decided to lube its sticking face buttons just to support the movement.
I guess the mentioned calibration issues will slowly fade away as the tech gets more widespread and more companies put in work!
I share the idea, buy the hall effect one to vote with your wallet!
Nice balanced video, thanks for the work!
Hey you are most welcome bro. I'm actually really intetrested in the king kong pro 3, the layout and the back buttons look so good.
@@thephototechy Ahh, found it on twitter. Looks interesting! Great thing they improved the wired polling rate, curious about the wireless performance. (Wich was totally slow AND inconsistent , yeah, that is two different things, with the old PC adapter... waiting for the GoKu.) About the back buttons though: Wondering if you can reach them with your index on bumpers and middle finger on triggers. (RocketLeague position :) ) Hope they also fix (or at least factory lube) their face buttons. Everything else purrfect :)
@@orboksanci I’m surprised about the face buttons as they seem to be advertising those with 50m actuations which is insane. I’m hoping to make a gaming PC so I can review more controllers. The stuff coming out of mainland China looks very interesting.
Great info. I have chosen the g7 for my pc when I’m gaming action type games.
G7 honestly such an amazing option at the price, I do wish they add those clicky buttons to the next halleffect model they make.
@@thephototechy When will the next model come out?
I still don't understand why they removed the mechanical buttons for the SE
They’ve just released the Xbox Kalied which has Hall effect sticks and mechanical buttons, so probably kept the feature for that controller.
They have the GameSir G7 HE.
@thephototechy I have that, I wish they create something the same but for the switch with switch layout.
For me the SE wins!!! Those Sticks are hella precise!!!!!! Microadjustings are awesome now.
Hey u playing in raw mode or 100 maximum? Thanks
@@thephototechy 100 Maximum , RAW Mode ist Buggy as you Said
@@theFoxxx866 I keep thinking the Hall effect stick might not be able to have a true raw mode. It’s their coz of the normal G7, as they both use the same nexus software.
@@thephototechy Beyond the 100% to Raw on the Left Stick to help me make sharper steering turns for the games (Ride 4) and (Forza Horizon 4 & 5) racing games
100% It can register small movements between 0.00025 and 0.00049 in the gamepad tester consistently. My motogp22 récords dropped 1 second almost right away.
I have really been looking into the Gamesir G7 and the Gamesir G7 SE. I find it veeeeery disappointing that they would remove the mechanical button switches and go back to membrane for the SE. Your conclusion about "sending a message" so-to-speak at the end there is exactly what I want to do. I WANT hall effect sticks. I WANT mechanical button switches. See my problem? I even tend to prefer the lovely feeling rubber back grips but that isn't the selling feature on either for me. I want a controller with **BOTH** mechanical switches AND hall effect sticks.
I hear you bro, specially when the normal G7 has amazing mechanical buttons, I think they are even better than Razer wolverine chroma’s. I can’t say their reason of omitting the mechanical ABXY, also not using the metal dome buttons in the Dpad, which gives a sharper response like in the standard Xbox series controller. I do hope we get the option at some point, specially when people chose to buy the SE more than the normal G7.
@@thephototechywould you recommend any Xbox controller that has both? I’d prefer not to spend $150+
Gamesir T4 Cyclone Pro is what you need bro + it's wireless!
@@vovazagach1781Appreciate the comment but eventually decided I'm just done with requiring Xbox compatibility as I'm sticking to PC. Went with the Gamesir T4 Kalied. It's absolutely phenominal for PC gaming plus 1k polling rate.
For longevity alone I'd suck up the fact the controller is mostly white, having Hall effect modules in controllers nowadays is a must, especially when people like us don't got the money to drop every time our controller starts drifting
I appreciate you for this honest review! thanks bro
then release a g7 with g7se joystick its too eeasy
Thank you for this very nice video, helped me a lot on choosing my new controller. Also great indepth review of both controllers.
Also I wanted to ask how is the thumbstick tension on the SE? I have a 8bitdo Ultimate and i find its stick tension to be too heavy
Hey you are most welcome! The thumbstick tension is on the lower side on SE and feels smooth. The return to centre could be a bit stronger for my liking but overall very good, much better than my elite series2, which only has use of looking good 😂.
I want the G7 SE but the colors is just not it for me.
same for me as well.
10:20 so its still stick drift issue even with hall effect
Hey so the spring in the stick lose some tension after use and I’d say it’ll have about 4-5% register, that’s after about 50 hours of use. This behave normal for all the thumbstick modules and not game breaking at all. The controllers that have perfect centre and no drift, have built in deadzones implemented, from anywhere 1-5%. It’s something gamesir have given us the option to use or not. I decided to disable the deadzones and use in game deadzones if the drift was too much.
Hall effect sticks will definitely last longer then potentiometer sticks, but the minor drift at rest will be there if no deadzones are applied.
@@thephototechy oh i see thanks
Thanks bro! I mainly play Rocket League and the SE is so bad, I don't have the same sensations as with a PowerA Enhanced series X or a normal controller, the sticks are so different, even in raw profile, it's frustrating and strange considering the precision, it's very slow and I feel a kind of latency, do you think the G7 is better at this level? Are the sticks better than the bad PowerA or a normal controller?
Hey So the Xbox standard controller is a bit different han the PowerA enhanced. I made a video on the response curve test and Xbox controllers make a square with in the max boundaries, where as PowerA enhanced will make a circle. I've read somewhere that Rocket League can actually use the extra diagonal inputs. So I'd suggest if you prefer the PowerA more than the standard then the normal G7 in raw mode might feel better to you.
One thing I'd suggest if you have updated to 6.25 on the SE is to enable raw mode and reduce the max from 100 to 85 or 90 and see if the responsiveness gets better. the reason is the values are affected in the whole range once you reduce the maximum deadzones, hope this helps bro.
@@thephototechy Hi and thanks for your responsiveness! so yes I have the latest update and I had already seen via one of your other videos that the raw mode was better and indeed it is but it still lacks responsiveness (I tried 80 75 and 50), I feel sluggish and sometimes too precise or not enough in certain movements, the PowerA controller is perfect for RL, the only problem is the drift joystick and the lack of "precision" every 2 months, so I bought the G7 to see if it replaces it properly, because I absolutely need a controller with buttons on the back for a more ergonomic key combination, but there are so many with buttons placed strangely for me (the PowerA (+1500h) is really nickel with the button that falls on the middle finger).
@@remi9378how was your experience with the normal g7?
WHY IS THERE STICK DRIFT ? 10:07
The spring.
Hi, loved the video. For games like Rocket league and DBD, which controller would you suggest
Hey I’d say either of these would be a very good option on Xbox. If you are worried about stick drift then go with the SE l, but if you are like me and stick drift hasn’t ruined any controllers for you, then G7 with mechanical buttons and rubber grips is amazing to use.
What is the best choice between them for sports game like Fifa?
I think the kontrol freeks give the sticks unwanted weigh which gives it stick drift because my controller had kontrol freeks and my brothers didn't and his is lasting so much longer plus we got them at the same time so im hoping the g7 se is my fix
Hey that’s an amazing point. Yes kontrolfreeks will add weight and the spring in effect lose some tension. Still I think the amounts I showed is nothing to worry about. Most games has 10% deadzones as standard. The G7se is definitely looking like the solution to our stick drift issues. I’m hoping firmware updates will keep coming and these become the norm for all of us.
Yeah, when I used kontrol freeks or tall sticks I notice a little reverberation when I’m trying to flick or throw my tacs. I suggest getting used to stock sticks and adjust sens in game
Great comparison and production quality. Any plans on revieweing the T4 Kaleid?
Hey thanks, I wish I could. the only pc I have is my dell laptop and can't really game on it. I'm thinking of building a gaming PC and use it for work as well, the price scares me a bit. T4 though checks so many boxes.
Fair enough! I just picked it up and it's been great so far@@thephototechy
@@e-dubbs did you feel a difference in the stick response from standard potentiometer sticks at all?
@@thephototechy Big time. Had some bad drift/wobble in my elite 2 even with a deadzone of around 12 (whatever low is in apex). I play with a deadzone of 4% on the T4, which is the absolute lowest I can do with 0 stick drift (there is the slightest amount of wobble). I set the deadzone to none in apex so it is really at the 4% I set in the gamesir software. Much more responsive but took a couple days to get used to. My aim is much better now though. It’s playable at lower than 4% but I prefer 0 drift
@@e-dubbs Thanks alot for the reply bro, I'm going to try and get the T4, I think the G7 is causing issues for G7se, as the nexus software was made for G7, and that could be the reason for the raw mode to act out.
Question. Does the stick tension on the gamesir feel less than the SE?
Hey the G7 is using alps sticks and se has Ksilver jh16, in my jh16 video I found the spring to be smaller than alps and it shows, they do have less tension. Getting adjusted to G7se sticks was not a problem, even with sticks losing more tension after serious amount of game time.
Amazing video, I live the sound testing too. Could you compare it with the snakebyte ones?
Hey yes definitely, I’ll be comparing the Snakebyte gamepad pro with the SE very soon.
Quick question for you if you don't mind? How comes the circularity test on the G7 (not SE) model is 0.4 on my controller? I've got the sticks configured as 0-100% in normal (not raw) mode. For some reason, I thought the circularity would be a lot worse given they are potentiometer sticks. Or do hall effect sticks only affect dead zones rather than circularity? Once again, appreciate your time.
What precision thumbsticks are you using? That kontrols don’t fit the SE 7?
Hey the PS4/PS5 kontrolfreeks fit the G7se. I use skull&co thumb grip on left stick and Kontrolfreeks galaxy on the right stick.
One question does the gamesir g7 have stiff sticks like the se? The se is amazing its just when i play shooter games the sticks feel stiff
Also does the g7 have a similar stick feeling as a stock xbox controller?
Hey do you mean resistance when moving the sticks? Or do you feel the SE sticks sometimes feel like fighting your input a bit?
@@thephototechy its hard to explain but like a regular stock xbox controller its loose with the se it feels stiff
is the SE thumstick loose or a bit on the stiffer side?
These vs Gamesir T4 Kaleid? 😮 Which would you recommend for playing on PC?
Hey I haven’t tried the T4 but have seen amazing reviews of it. Also I’m not on PC yet, definitely it’s something I’m saving up for. I was thinking of doing an external GPU solution for my laptop but let’s see. Sorry can’t help you much atm.
What precision rings are you using with Gamesir G7 SE? Playstation or Xbox rings? Many thanks for the video!
Hey I checked on the packet and it says Xbox,PlayStation and switch pro. So I think it works on all of them. I have certainly tried them on PlayStation and Xbox controllers.
Hi mate me again lol I'm looking into getting another controller as I keep going back to the se and always find myself aiming worse. Is the normal G7 like normal controllers ? I really do like the shape and feel of the gamesirs and if the aiming feels like that of a Victrix gambit with the normal G7 I'll get it lol
Man the gambit is actually one of a kind. The G7 would be very much like the standard controller with 2 different aiming options, one circular profile and the other is their raw profile. I much prefer the raw profile as it feels snappier. I’m not gonna lie, the only other controller that sorta feels like the gambit but still a bit different, is the ROG Raikiri, but it’s such a confusing product.
I was testing the PDP rematch as Inhad it opened and took the potentiometer out so had to recalibrate it, and that feels very close to Gambit. I know victrix and PDP are the same, I think the response curve they are using is doing something to ignore the implemented deadzones, just my feeling.
I’m actually thinking of making a video showing the precision tester result of different controllers I have and how they feel whilst gaming.
Something I just discovered is how different controllers are dealing with diagonals. The only was I can test this is precision tester and it clearly shows the difference, where some controllers add values to the diagonals and others are smooth. Gambit is of the smooth variety, but has this jitter at every position, which might be the reason of so precise dampened feeling, as if the aim stops exactly where we want to, something I find other controllers a little bit different.
I’d definitely say that the G7 currently is better feeling to me than the SE. I’ve tried putting a lot of time on the SE and like you I feel the controller kinda not working for my play style. When I switch to any other controller, even the standard series controller, it just feels so familiar.
@@thephototechy yeh the gambit was definitely my all time fave nothing has come close so far except the rematch with regards to aim as you said but I feel like the stick tension along with that cheap feeling like hard to press back buttons and such sometimes messes me up moving around quickly 🤣 I love the quality feel of the gamesir so I hope the G7 is the same as the se as I've just ordered one haha the se will not sit in my controller draw and hopefully one day make a return when they realise they have made the best controller with the worst aiming experience to date 😂
@@ashleyibbitson7011 I know what you mean bro, I think maybe they wanted to be the first licensed Xbox Hall effect controller, hence some features are missing. I did get a comment from someone who spoke to them, and was told there’s an update coming with fixed raw mode and the ability to reduce the max outer deadzone with max input register, unlike what we have currently.
It’s a shame that only the gambit has this favor union’s highest quality sticks. I honestly believe it’s the combination of the module and PDP’s chosen response that makes it such a good aiming controller. I do hope we can see more from PDP with this combo, specially at the $50 price.
@@thephototechy mate my G7 came today the black version and wow this feels sooo much better than the white one I feel like the grip is different too like my fingers are resting on the ridge of the triggers more the sticks feel great I can actually aim again now lol
Which you recommend more g7 se or pdp rematch?
Hey G7se is way better than rematch and also nearly double the price.
If you can pay the price of the G7se then that’s definitely the one to go for. Rematch is the cheapest licensed Xbox controller and a really good value at its price, but G7se is turning out to be an amazing deal.
I hope that rubber grip don't get sticky over time. 😢
Hey that’s a good point. I remember some time ago one of my cameras had this issue, specially when in the summer you have the sweat and heat mixing with the rubber.
Que "kontrolfreek" le pusiste?
Yo tuve que cambiar los análogos para poder usar los "kontrolfreek" de xbox
What is the camera ?
Hey I use the Panasonic S5.
Hi what is that "hall effect" in g7 se ?
Hey so instead of the normal potentiometer based sticks that wear over time, Hall effect uses magnets that are contact free, and not susceptible to the same level of wear and tear as the normal carbon based potentiometer. The normal sticks have a minimum life cycle rating of 2 million actuations, Hall effect sticks are rated for 5 million minimum actuations, so in theory more than double the life of a normal thumbstick module.
Thank you so mutch to your help 👍🙂
Can you do a fusion pro 3 vs g7 se or g7 pls??
Sorry for not commenting, im grinding the cod battle pass as crazy
The se is not avaible in my country right now, but i watched your videos multiple times and im waiting a little but i need a new controller soon because i sent back my fusion pro 3 (after a few days) so im considering between the normal g7 or v2 chroma or the thrustmaster eswap s pro
Xbox kontrolfreaks fit on the g7?
Hey bro, the xbox kontrolfreeks don’t fit at all, I had to get PS4/PS5 ones.
Bro what happened with the fusion? Would love your input.
@@thephototechy thanks for the response
I just can't get used to those buttons and triggers, after days i still activate accidentally the back buttons and the triggers, it's a good controller by the way, just too easy to activate the back buttons and triggers for me, these are the main reason, and the final i want something more premium
What kontrol freek are you using on gamesir g7 se ?
Hey PS4/Ps5 ones, they are a bit tight to get in but work perfectly. Hope this helps.
Hello! I only play FIFA, should I choose G7 or G7 SE? Thanks!
Hey bro, I havent played fifa in years but from what I remember the sticks do get used seriously. I don't know if there are any deadzone adjustments in fifa but you'll be able to keep the deadzones lower on G7se than G7 in my experience.
For call of duty with the raw mode the g7 its better now?
So in raw mode the sticks feel familiar I’d say. The snapping is there, that’s not to say Hall effect in 100 maximum are bad, just a bit different. I’ve noticed another thing, it feels the radius for sticks to move is a tiny bit larger on G7se, that’s probably why reducing the in game maximum deadzone helped me a lot.
Like I said the Hall effects are the future. Hopefully they’ll keep getting better and better. Going back and forth I prefer the G7 coz it’s familiar, I’m putting alot of time with the SE now and really enjoying it. You see 20 years on potentiometer is taking a bit to adjust on something else 😂
Do Xbox kontrol freeks fit either controller?
Hey no you’ll need ps4/ps5 ones. The other option would be to get Xbox replacement plastic thumbsticks and replace the gamesir ones and calibrate it, this’ll make the controller a bit more responsive than standard, but you’ll be able to use your Xbox kontrolfreeks.
@@thephototechy thank you so much
@@thephototechy do you happen to have a tutorial for swapping the sticks ?
@@mrraptor5594 hey just made a short for you, hope this helps.
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@@thephototechy awesome thank you so much I could find a tutorial anywhere
i just buy the protection plan at best buy and use the regular xbox one controllers. after around a year they get stick drift and i just take it in to best buy and trade it for a new one. i pay $20 more to put the warranty back on it, so i get a new controller for $20 every year
That’s a neat trick bro. Some places might not have these options. I did purchase something called Microsoft complete for my elite S2. It’s supposed to be 3 year damage cover, costs £15 here in U.k.
Are you using control freak for ps game pad on the SE ? Thanks
Hey yes PS kontrolfreeks fit the G7 and the G7se
thanks@@thephototechy
a bit new here! but planning to purchase either one of them. if the stick cap is trashed due to wear (I don't like wearing extension etc), which one should be the replacement? Dualshock or Xbox ones?
I really want a controller that I can use long time without having to constantly repair or replace. If anyone used the gamesir g7 se for many years, are there any issue like stick drift?
GameSir G7 SE, GuliKit KingKong 2, Flydigi Direwolf, Gamesir T4 Cyclone, Which one is better for fifa with my small hands
Hey I’ve only used the G7se and personally the T4 cyclone looks better to me in terms of design. Saying that the G7se is probably better for medium to small hands for comfort, but if playing on PC then T4 cyclone is a better option, only if you don’t need Xbox compatibility.
@@thephototechy thanks
@@thephototechyT4 Cyclone Pro is much better!
Ever since that update I have had stick drift in my left joystick.. any way to fix that?
Hey did you check how much input register you have at rest on the left stick? Also you can try a manual calibration as well and see if that fixes it.
To enter manual calibration you need to press and hold Xbox, menu & view buttons in then plug the controller in, the led will start flashing, rotate each stick 3 times and press the triggers in 3 times then press A on the controller, the led will go off, disconnect and reconnect the calibration is done, hope this helps.
can you use it with android？
what monitor are you using?
Hey I use a portable 17.3” 1080p 144hz G-Story monitor, it’s an amazing option if you need a space saving setup. I did try one these new 18.5” 120hz monitors and they feel amazing as well, just not as readily available yet, hope this helps.
I don't have a PC just a macbook and my xbox, can i update use the app of games g7 SE on my xbox? to update it and ge the latest firmware latency etc.
Mine has a 2% deadzone I’m surprised it even hit 5%
Hey, I think its not bad at all and won't affect game play. The whole mechanism is relying on the spring now, as there is no friction from the potentiometer, so even little bit loss of spring tension could feel a lot more.
Mind you I really tested this thing and was being harsh whilst gaming so that can be a big reason as well.
It'll become an issue if its over 8-9% coz keeping a 10% deadzone one can feel the stick being a bit sluggish.
@@thephototechyJust got my G7 yesterday and tested it in Tales of Arise, and yeah 10% dead zone really is too much, would it be ok if I set both sticks to 5%, I mean no stick drift or something?
@@vovazagach1781 hey I’m using 0 in nexus and setting my deadzones in the game settings. If your game doesn’t have a deadzone setting, then chances are they are applying some minimum deadzones already. So definitely play with the numbers in nexus and see if you have any drift in your game. You definitely don’t want nexus deadzones doubling with your in game deadzones.
@@thephototechy I'll try this thanks 👍
dude thank you. Whats the game? COD BOII?
what is the raw mode for the g7se
After doing some testing I find if I set the left thumbstick beyond the max 100% setting to Raw using the software app, I can better make them sharper tight Left & Right corners when I play Ride 4 Cycle Bike gameplay. If I lower it down more I just can't turn lean as far in any racing game at all.
Hey I guess the game has the ability to use the extra diagonal inputs. The 6.25 update has just come out and they have changed the raw mode for better now, I hope you are enjoying the controller so far.
Very little bullshit/filler. Straight to the point. Great review. I like.
Hey thanks man, I think I need to make an update as these got 1000hz on Xbox just now.
Better then gamer heaven thats for sure 😂
have both of these controllers i do use the se a lot
Which one do you like better? I play NbA 2k and COD - not sure which one is best for that
@@darenking1508 se one pal
👍
Fly Like a g7😉
Damn I cant choose
I think a lot of people are having the same problem. The price has gone up for UK on gamesir website from £36 to £49 now for both so these are definitely very popular.
Load out please
I swear to god, all hall effect controller make my aim worse. I would rather choose stick drift over delay
Hey bro so I tested a good few controllers doing screen recordings, and I found the G7se to be a slightly slower in 250hz, but the new 1000hz improved it so much that it’s faster than the rest now. I’ll be making a video showing this very soon.
@@thephototechy i used xbox controller which is 125hz and it still better than hall effect. I even modded hall effect stick into my xbox controller and it so weird to aim.
@@thephototechy I think a controller with removable thumbstick is the way to go. At least, for the fps gamers.
cant take this info seriously because he is a shotgun user.. shotguns are like training wheels on a bike..
I need to see some more Y Y’ing when you’re trying to camera people in COD, and the fact that there’s no trigger stops is criminal.
If they added trigger stops this would've been it. who knows maybe they are keeping it for a pro version with 4 back buttons and trigger stops (one can wish)
The question here did anybody get any stick drift from the G7SE I'm getting so tired of the default Xbox One and series x controllers getting stick drift that knocks me off cliffs when I'm playing ruminant or just any game that has a cliff lol
Hey I got some drift but it’s not at rest position due to spring losing tension. Gamesir has implemented a manual calibration option and it really helps manage the lose spring slop, I’ve made a video on it and the link is below. I’ve also just shot a video talking about stick drift and potentiometer Hall effect, should be out in a day or two.
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What monitor is that you are using?
Hey it’s a portable 17.3” Gstory monitor. I bought it used off eBay as I can’t seem to find new ones. Uperfect has some really good portable monitor options with high refresh rates.
@@thephototechy that monitor looks great. Thanks for the answer