Sorry to see it end this way. The slow flight with the flaps down had me thinking the landing is going to be very interesting to see, so on that note I'd like to see you replace this one and complete the flight. I love your grace and humor even when things go awry!
I loved your autopsie with the stop frame and explanation That is the single most helpful RC thing I have seen on UA-cam I wish more people would do this to help us see the steps to crashes so we can better avoid them :D
Sorry about your bird but I learned a long time ago that, in most cases, it’s not “IF” but “WHEN” you re-kit a plane. Fritz, I just wanted to say “Thanks” as I found your channel and have been binge watching your videos and my interest in getting back into flying has been rekindled.
Ouch! Oh well, it happens to all of us at one time or another. Sorry to see the Caravan go down that way. Ironically I was thinking if you have ever crashed. Now I know. I had learned something from this too, and that's not to overpower the airframe with a big motor and not to snap the throttle too quickly. Thanks for another great video, and we'll be looking forward to the next build! Cheers.
Excellent job of re-kitting that airplane! I think your reasoning on the cause of the crash is on the money. I hope most of the innards can be used in the replacement Caravan.
Much respect for sharing all footage with analysis which seems to be spot on. Provided that you will do an engine teardown for inspection, i'd like to see your approach ;)
What timing. I was just looking at that same plane this morning. It does fly well from your video. I think your analysis of the crash is spot on. I learned the same thing myself a few years ago. Not wanting to accept a bad landing I gave it full power while in a slow, nose up attitude. And it immediately snapped to the left, hitting the ground inverted and nose down. From then on, it's always a smooth application of power while lowering the AOA.
Fitz, my crash was not as not as dramatic as yours. I had complete loss of power which led to the aircraft landing in a rough field and bending the nose gear lower strut about 30 degrees back. I'm now in the process of finding a machine shop to manufacture the lower assembly to get the bird back in the air.
Bummer about the crash, but excellent video. Looked like a textbook stall/spin on final, aggravated by the torque of quick throttle. The only thing I saw that you didn't mention was that it looked to me like the left wing never recovered before throttle was added and you can also see that the plane still had a pronounced yaw to the left when you added throttle. I think you may have been able to save it if you had kicked in some serious right rudder before adding throttle, but the plane was quite low so even that may not have done it. Was a beautiful flying/looking plane and I hope you get another one:) I lost a Viper 90 to a very similar thing on a maiden, happens to us all!
I'd want to throw an iNAV setup in this to get some scale head tracking fpv cockpit action and navigation features. Scale FPV is here. We should all be getting into it!
Considerably less embarrassing than the time I did a control check before hand-launching a 6' powered glider on maiden... but failed to notice the elevator was inverted; went straight from my hand, nose-first into the ground at full power.
I wonder, if you'd been making a right turn rather than a left when the stall took place, if the torque roll would have corrected the spin (or at least have helped) and prevented disaster?
Ouch - Sorry to see this one go in Fitz.... A few observations on the video: 1) The giggle factor was there with this one for you. 2) It was a beautiful model, and looked like it flew great. 3) I think the wheels are salvageable. 😁 Sorry for your loss....
yeah, a bummer. What a good looking plane though. That stall crash seems very unique. I'm not sure what happened there, but the torque roll theory sounds about right.🙂
Also, propwash on the tail surfaces can aggravate stall characteristics. (Sometimes even cause one wing to fly in reverse with little lift...) Especially in a model with more than scale power to weight ratios and excessive throw available. I learned this when I was getting into 3d flying. These can be advantages in dire situations. This is one reason that I believe EDF's can be better beginner planes than prop planes. Then 3d planes would be the next easiest possible advance because of their ability to recover from a stall, once you know what to look for. When an EDF stalls, you quickly learn what recovery looks like without propwash potentially angle-locking the fuselage post-stall (as long as there isn't a thrust vector nozzle, but that is not for beginners). Finally moving on to scale planes for scale flight would be the way I would get into this hobby if I were to do it again. After that, I would go back to 3d precision flight. Then I would work into vector thrust after that. I kind of went off on a tangent there, but propwash is deceptive, too, and may have played a part in the untimely hard landing... lol
Not really, at least not without cutting the sides of the cowl for the cylinders to stick out. We tested the possibility of a 40cc twin, but the cowl is too narrow and would ruin the look.
Crashy-Smashy! I’d say accelerated stall. Flying pretty close to stall speed and then turning - whoops apocalypse. Thomas should send a link to this video to everyone who bought a Caravan and say “Don’t do this!” Was this before or after your day of issues at Bomber?
Yuk! Amazing how fast You can get Zapped out of the Zone. Well, if You do this another dozen times You would make Us Kooks out in the world feel a little more related. Beauty HV, always a great show and gets Us Pumped to get out and Fly, win or lose, We are gluttons.
There's something not quite right about the flying characteristics of this model. Slightly tail heavy still maybe. Thought this way before tip stall too.
Sorry man I could tell you took that one hard. You looked hurt during the slow motion right as it contacted. Still very entertaining at least, not a total loss.
Why they dont sell planes with cam inside? That ll be more easy to drive no? I thank buy one for my nephew but that is too big and dangerous. A small drone ll be better. U look very pationated by that . Congrat to u. Excuse my english ,i m french.
Thanks for you analysis. Most guys don't understand the torque roll and how it can bite you. You demonstrated it very well.
Sorry to see it end this way. The slow flight with the flaps down had me thinking the landing is going to be very interesting to see, so on that note I'd like to see you replace this one and complete the flight. I love your grace and humor even when things go awry!
I loved your autopsie with the stop frame and explanation That is the single most helpful RC thing I have seen on UA-cam I wish more people would do this to help us see the steps to crashes so we can better avoid them :D
Sorry about your bird but I learned a long time ago that, in most cases, it’s not “IF” but “WHEN” you re-kit a plane. Fritz, I just wanted to say “Thanks” as I found your channel and have been binge watching your videos and my interest in getting back into flying has been rekindled.
I've always enjoyed your channel. Thanks for continually putting out quality content!
“Yup, this will buff out.” Bwahahaha.
Great video. Thanks
Great review, crash and all! Love your commentary. You seem like an all-around fun guy to go flying with.
Thanks for helping the rest us learn from your experience! As a new pilot myself, this is invaluable to know.
Ouch! Oh well, it happens to all of us at one time or another. Sorry to see the Caravan go down that way. Ironically I was thinking if you have ever crashed. Now I know. I had learned something from this too, and that's not to overpower the airframe with a big motor and not to snap the throttle too quickly.
Thanks for another great video, and we'll be looking forward to the next build! Cheers.
Lol keep it real my friend.. sept for the finish was a beauty full view.
Thank you for sharing
Great analysis - I guess we've all been there, even at your advanced level. Looking forward to the next video.
Man, you are the proof that it's not mandatory to break in a new engine to have fun.
Excellent job of re-kitting that airplane!
I think your reasoning on the cause of the crash is on the money.
I hope most of the innards can be used in the replacement Caravan.
that engine is superb, and is not even broken-in yet!!!
Too bad about the crash. I put a P51 in recently in the same way. Thanks for letting us learn from your mistake!
Torque roll... thanks for the analysis and learning. Never even thought of one of these planes but this looks awesome.
Much respect for sharing all footage with analysis which seems to be spot on. Provided that you will do an engine teardown for inspection, i'd like to see your approach ;)
Thanks for sharing your mistake. I know its hard to swallow your pride. Still a great review!! Keep building and sharing.
"...wait a minute...yeah, that will buff out". good one.
These videos are great, what a lovely guy. Wish I could undo that stall for you.
Thanks for your honesty, good lessons to learn here...
What timing. I was just looking at that same plane this morning. It does fly well from your video. I think your analysis of the crash is spot on. I learned the same thing myself a few years ago. Not wanting to accept a bad landing I gave it full power while in a slow, nose up attitude. And it immediately snapped to the left, hitting the ground inverted and nose down. From then on, it's always a smooth application of power while lowering the AOA.
Fitz, my crash was not as not as dramatic as yours. I had complete loss of power which led to the aircraft landing in a rough field and bending the nose gear lower strut about 30 degrees back. I'm now in the process of finding a machine shop to manufacture the lower assembly to get the bird back in the air.
Bummer about the crash, but excellent video. Looked like a textbook stall/spin on final, aggravated by the torque of quick throttle. The only thing I saw that you didn't mention was that it looked to me like the left wing never recovered before throttle was added and you can also see that the plane still had a pronounced yaw to the left when you added throttle. I think you may have been able to save it if you had kicked in some serious right rudder before adding throttle, but the plane was quite low so even that may not have done it. Was a beautiful flying/looking plane and I hope you get another one:) I lost a Viper 90 to a very similar thing on a maiden, happens to us all!
Good point. I ran out of altitude and options at the same time.
I'd want to throw an iNAV setup in this to get some scale head tracking fpv cockpit action and navigation features. Scale FPV is here. We should all be getting into it!
Beautiful, sorry for the end!
It is(was) a beautiful model!
Now I don't know if I should get VQs DHL version or Seagulls. 😄
Considerably less embarrassing than the time I did a control check before hand-launching a 6' powered glider on maiden... but failed to notice the elevator was inverted; went straight from my hand, nose-first into the ground at full power.
Thanks for sharing your crash analysis. I learnt something today :)
Contra rotating prop on the next one, right?
Haha, no. But I think a three blade prop would both look better and reduce the torque effect.
Thx for the build video, nicely done. Is it possible in your opinion to beef up the landing gear prior to the first flight?
Main gear or nose gear? Gear strength seemed adequate in my flights.
I wonder, if you'd been making a right turn rather than a left when the stall took place, if the torque roll would have corrected the spin (or at least have helped) and prevented disaster?
Ouch - Sorry to see this one go in Fitz....
A few observations on the video:
1) The giggle factor was there with this one for you.
2) It was a beautiful model, and looked like it flew great.
3) I think the wheels are salvageable. 😁
Sorry for your loss....
yeah, a bummer. What a good looking plane though. That stall crash seems very unique. I'm not sure what happened there, but the torque roll theory sounds about right.🙂
Thank you for your video! Do you know if you can get the nose wheel ?
Try contacting Legend Hobby: www.legendhobby.com/
Still needs one of the new Turbo prop engines. Great video.
It happened to me on 40 version….on take off left role in to the ground
I’m going to start using that line at work.
“Yes, but will it knife edge?”
Also, propwash on the tail surfaces can aggravate stall characteristics. (Sometimes even cause one wing to fly in reverse with little lift...) Especially in a model with more than scale power to weight ratios and excessive throw available. I learned this when I was getting into 3d flying. These can be advantages in dire situations. This is one reason that I believe EDF's can be better beginner planes than prop planes. Then 3d planes would be the next easiest possible advance because of their ability to recover from a stall, once you know what to look for. When an EDF stalls, you quickly learn what recovery looks like without propwash potentially angle-locking the fuselage post-stall (as long as there isn't a thrust vector nozzle, but that is not for beginners). Finally moving on to scale planes for scale flight would be the way I would get into this hobby if I were to do it again. After that, I would go back to 3d precision flight. Then I would work into vector thrust after that.
I kind of went off on a tangent there, but propwash is deceptive, too, and may have played a part in the untimely hard landing... lol
That's a beauty!
So sorry for that. It’s heart breaking.
Can i use 33cc on this one? Seems 35 is overpowered? I have one OS lyng around
@@mov0927 , yea 33cc would be fine.
Do you think a stinger 40cc twin will fit?
Not really, at least not without cutting the sides of the cowl for the cylinders to stick out. We tested the possibility of a 40cc twin, but the cowl is too narrow and would ruin the look.
Its definitely a stall it also happens to me on a messerschmitt always on a turn .
The only way to make sure you don't crash it is to not fly it. Sh*t happens. Rebuild or rebuy and go again!
RIP beautiful plane
Crashy-Smashy! I’d say accelerated stall. Flying pretty close to stall speed and then turning - whoops apocalypse. Thomas should send a link to this video to everyone who bought a Caravan and say “Don’t do this!” Was this before or after your day of issues at Bomber?
Before Bomber.
I have done the same thing.👊👊😊
DARN!!!! OUCH!!!!
bummer. I think the good performance of the plane can give us some false confidence and catch us by surprise! Been there before
Ouch!!!
Yuk!
Amazing how fast You can get Zapped out of the Zone.
Well, if You do this another dozen times You would make Us Kooks out in the world feel a little more related.
Beauty HV, always a great show and gets Us Pumped to get out and Fly, win or lose, We are gluttons.
There's something not quite right about the flying characteristics of this model. Slightly tail heavy still maybe. Thought this way before tip stall too.
Ouch!
Oops... Don't think the C of A allows that maneuver.
Sorry man I could tell you took that one hard.
You looked hurt during the slow motion right as it contacted.
Still very entertaining at least, not a total loss.
More surprised and disappointed than hurt. But crashing is part of the hobby.
the beauty pass was sexy..!
Dreaded stall turn .Nice plane ,good job anyway ........
Your videos are well done, informative and entertaining. I just wish you would pronounce common terms correctly.
Why they dont sell planes with cam inside?
That ll be more easy to drive no?
I thank buy one for my nephew but that is too big and dangerous. A small drone ll be better.
U look very pationated by that . Congrat to u. Excuse my english ,i m french.
Nice Caravan, but its aggressive on the control mate. Caravan is for scale flight not aerobatics. Good luck next time.
I test the limits, so you don't have to. :)
I ALWAYS GO HOME AND BUY ANOTHER ONE
IT'S THE PRICE YOU PAY TO PLAY
It look like a spektrum brown out.
RIP
that stinks Fitz ! but I guess it happens part of the hobby !
D'ho 🙂