Hey Jarrod, would you be able to get a laptop with a 7745HX in it and compare it with the 7945HX in single core heavy games and benchmarks? I play alot of game / VR games that utilize single core heavily so the 3.6 vs 2.9 base clock has me concerned that getting the top end will gimp my personal experience. Problem is alot of companies force you to get the high end if you want a high end graphics card which sucks. EG Alienware.
@@FTL1511 The difference between them is mostly different GPU, with overseas version of g17 and g18 only having up to 4070 while scar 17 and 18 starts at 4080
what do you think of this configuration for this laptop? legion pro 5 2023 - ryzen 9 7945HX - RTX4070 - 1TB - 32GB - screen 240 hertz 500 nits - for the price of 1896.56 US Dollar
Good to see AMD giving a tough competition to Intel. With Apple pressuring Intel with it's M series, Intel will be pressed to find a better performing processor thermally. Good for the consumer.
WHat's best laptop around ( 2500USD-2600USD) 1.5-1.8 lac for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Data Science and AI graphics Computer modelling and networking Virtualization??
@@Samdevay get Asus ROG strix g16 with the nebula display. it should be around 2500USD, you get 4070, 32gb ram ddr5, nebula display mini LED 1600p, 100% rgb 100% DCI-3, 3 fan, best laptop cooling technology at the moment. and best core i9-13980hx
@@Samdevay basically you get best everything in the market right now, best screen display, best CPU best ram, best cooling system but only 4070 gpu because if higher than that with 1600p Nebula display in asus it will overheat your laptop unnecessarily.
Hey Jarrod, please make a video comparing the ryzen 5 and the i5 too. Majority of the people are planning to buy midrange laptops with those processors.
@@randy89555 No Bro This year will be different❤❤❤ In single core intel will easily beat AMD ❤❤❤ And because of higher single core Clock in AMD so Battery life will be also Degrade And another think clock speed can't decide the single core speed but yeh higher clock speed will definitely decide battery backup Because if any company build a processor core for higher clock speed then that core can't use for lower clock speed Thats why intel use P+ E Core Architecture for Efficiency In battery power mode your laptop will use E core for more battery life.
The gaming results where the AMD chip is faster in 1440p and 4k are due to the chip using less energy at lower usage, allowing the GPU to use more of the available TDP, allowing better FPS.
Love it when Intel and AMD are competitive like this on the CPU side... on the GPU side tho its far grimmer for this generation especially, both AMD and Nvidia did a massive flop for price to performance especially when the price hike is so big.
You have to look at overall cost and performance you're getting. the good old Intel/Nvidia combo of laptops are always sure to be extremely expensive. And the Nvidia Laptop GPU's from 80 series to 90 series never deliver what they hype up to be...that's been proven. Why I love the AMD Advantage laptops. Perfect balance of power and efficiency within a cohesive ecosystem
Thank you for including C++ build times! I’d love to see the LLVM Linux build complemented with a windows/Visual Studio build, like a Chromium Windows build.
Hey love the analysis you do and that's great as always 👍 *BUT* you often switched around the position of the i9 and R9 in the different sections so viewers always have to check which one is on top on which graph. It would be better if one of them is always on top and the other always bottom.
WHat's best laptop around ( 2500USD-2600USD) 1.5-1.8 lac for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Data Science and AI graphics Computer modelling and networking Virtualization???
there are cheaper, better options than Asuss imo. $4K AUD for a Legion 7 Pro 13900HX/4080 is about the best ... I mean least worst value...... and $5k for L7P with 4090, or the Tongfang (XMG Neo 23 / Mech17 GP / Aftershock Manta etc).
Quite interesting data. I find it especially interesting how Intel and AMD are trading blows instead of having a clear lead for one side or the other. EDIT: In gaming.
WHat's best laptop around ( 2500USD-2600USD) 1.5-1.8 lac for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Data Science and AI graphics Computer modelling and networking Virtualization??
@@randxalthor The iGPU didn't do poorly at youtube playback, battery life is unrelated to performance. The issue with battery life is with chiplets. Chiplets are much less efficient than monolithic dies, and it's a sacrifice that had to be made in order to achieve such high multicore performance at lower power. The 15W-54W Phoenix will have much higher battery life, since that is monolithic too.
@@mikeb3172 It might also be because the 7945hx is chiplet just like the 7950x (because they need chiplets to get 16 cores with good yields and reasonable cost), and the 7950x has significantly higher idle power consumption than even the 13900k due to the chiplet design. When amd does monolithic, they beat intel in battery life but seem to lose performance due to the lack of l3 cache that can fit.
@@mikeb3172 I don't think he messed up the test, but it is hard to pinpoint what as there's no power data during the battery life test. Maybe that would help? Notebookcheck found the 7945HX CPU package power to consume 42% more power at idle than the i9-13900HX (8.3W on AMD vs 5.8W on Intel). 2.5 at 1hr idle = 2.5 WHr stolen. >We also checked the CPU Package Power while idling with identical power settings on both systems. Intel's Core i9-13900HX is better in this regard with an average consumption of 5.8 Watts, while the AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX consumes 42 % more at ~8.3 Watts. But that'd only explain maybe ~10 WHr due to higher load (thus a ~11% loss in battery life). Something else is wrong here.
Bruh, hope the motherboard problem doesn't spread into their AMD laptop lineup (as the Ryzen 9 7945HX is basically a 7950X desktop but with cutted down TDP)
@@Eleganttf2 Considering the temps in this video I'd sooner bet it isn't. That AMD chip was running much hotter than the Intel and that was while pulling less power. Definitely something going on there.
What a right moment for this video to release, the M18 was offering both high end configs but ended up getting Intel since it was cheaper oddly enough & I guess i made the right choice since the performance difference in games is negligible (I play at 1080p anyways so went for the 480hz option ) all I care about is cooling & maintaining its max speeds now, thanks for the video glad I don’t have to cancel my order lol
how are you enjoying it? and why do you prefer to game in 1080p instead of 1440p on the m18? i keep going back and forth as i was gonna use AMD for the CPU and the 7900m GPU but it requires me to get the FHD screen and not the UHD
@@jacedragon I enjoy it a lot, IMO FHD is where it’s at for high refresh rate gaming & I love high FPS. It really depends on what you want, I went with the 4090 config but I hear the 7900m is in between 4070 & 4080. & on an 18 inch screen 1200p is fine for me of course QHD will look crispier but I don’t care much about res if Im being honest. I went for the 4090 for the best performance possible & the 13980HX since the test shows it was doing better at 1090p
Jarrod, thank you very much for improving the "Professional applications" Section in the review: I must say that more and more engineering companies and such start using gaming laptops instead of "Professional" laptop with "professional" video cards (like RTX T1000, RTX A4000 and so on) -- the price premium for "professional" became insane lately, not reasoning the gains. If you could add any 3D CAD applications (SolidWorks, CATIA, Fire Pro) and FE software (CalculiX is free, for example) that would be great!
they don't sacrifice efficiency under load though, it's absolutely the opposite. Which might make a difference in a few years in a laptop with a total board power limit when the CPU is hammered in a game using a full 175W on a 4080 or 4090. In other words, something like a CPU limit of 75W will get more work done by a 7945HX than it will by a 139x0 HX.
I'm trying to decide between these two laptops right now and want to thank you for such a detailed, informative, and concise video. My current gaming laptop has an intel CPU but for most of my life I've preferred AMD, and, thanks to your excellent comparative review and AMD's friendlier price point, I think I'll be returning to my AMD roots. Thanks again!
To think 5-10 years ago it was unimaginable to have more than 4 cores inside our high end laptops was incredible, and see today 16+ cores is going to be the norm is insane😮, and it will continue to get better and better, when all tech companies start to pursuit efficiency and performance at the same time with new machines andthe rise of ARM processors 😃.
quite a bummer for me, I loved the last generation of amd processors because they managed to deliver pretty good performance while doubling the battery life compared to intel. sucks to know that this isn't the case with these two high end chips
you need to get 7040HS or U series processors for that, they have better battery life compared to even ryzen 6000. 7945HX is just 7950X desktop with less memory speeds. Same with 13980HK, it is literally a 13900K.
From other reviews, the ryzen 9 seems to be way more efficient than the i9 in multi-core heavy workloads (all cores being pushed as hard as possible), and show similar efficiency in single core heavy workloads (a single core being pushed to 100%). However, for workloads that are not heavy at all (like the one done by Jarrod - watching a simple youtube video), the efficiency cores in the i9 are enough to keep the task going, so there's no need for the performance cores to kick in, thus saving a lot of battery.
12:34 Zen 4 laptop chips are same as desktop ones. Those aren't monolithic. 610M is simply what Zen 4 comes with by default, as this iGPU is inside of the I/O die
cross load limits might be lower tho. The less pure performance-oriented models like these tend to have firmware limits in place to limit CPU power under full GPU load to keep well below powerbrick limit.
Thanks for another excellent comparison, Jarrod! You think you could make a review of an HX i7 model+4090m? The 1% lows due to too many cores on the i9 is terrible. Imagine buying a top end gaming laptop and get poor framerate stability just because you chose a top end CPU
While I don't need MacBook levels of battery life, I do quite frequently use my gaming laptop unplugged for content consumption and light duty tasks. AMD's result was surprising and quite disappointing
@@randy89555 what will be better is phoenix. That one is monolithic, and while it will only top out at 8 cores, will bring similar or even better battery life than macbooks
@@souvikmondal6161that's just not true. While 7000 HS series have impressive performance for their TDP, they're roughly about the same level as Intel i7/i9 H series, and far more slower than HX big boys (especially in multi core work load).
thinking about buying the 4090 version of the pro 7i, based on you having it would you recommmend i buy it? is there anything holding back why you wouldnt?
The 4080 is a scream as it is. I'm sure you will be thrilled with the 4090. I love the design of this laptop. Very stylish and subtle yet powerful when it needs to be.@@sosuslays
The ryzen one is so damn good at 65w. Thanks for testing jarrods tech. Embarrassing that no other tech reviewers have tinkered around with tdps before and showed the amazing perf of this cpu at 65w
Great comparison! I wonder how the Intel Core i9-13900H compares to the intel i9-13980hx since I see the 13900h in many midrange to highrange laptops and the 13980hx in more highrange laptops. Are the 13980hx laptops worth their price?
Idle power consumption of this 5nm desktop chiplet cpu used hear is more. 4nm 8 core regular ryzen processors have better efficiency than last gen 7nm and 6nm ryzen.
Other hypothesis: AMD does better at 4K, because of the higher efficiency. So a bit more thermal headroom is available for the GPU to stretch its legs.
11:37 I think I have an explanation: As you stated before, the 7945hx is a bit more efficient. So maybe it drawing less power improves thermals or powersupply for the GPU?
1:25 Intel at 150W equals Ryzen at 75W. For a laptop, you don't want to run your CPU at 150W, as that's a laptop not a toaster! I'd limit the TDP at 75W for the CPU or even 65W.
So basically, for these 2 laptops: if buyers are mostly doing 3D rendering on the go - AMD if buyers are mostly doing heavy video editing - INTEL Great to see consumers are getting options on which one to buy... although I myself can't afford to buy neither of these 2 laptops... LOL
Phenomenal video per usual and much appreciated! In the process of upgrading in the next few days. Been bouncing between the Scar 16,17,18. I wish I had somewhere local to see them in person but unfortunately do not.
Holy, look at that 65W limit Cinebench difference between 7945HX and i9-13980HX. Intel got kind of exposed here. Adding more E-Cores to inflate benchmarks and claiming at the same time they improve efficency did not work well here.
Great comparison, thank you! Would it also be possible to include a game like Anno 1800 in future comparisons? Since this game really benefits from fast CPUs and especially Cache, it would be great to see the difference in the processors performance.
I do not recommend going cheap with tech, probably go mid-range. Believe me. I have had a $100 phone and doing anything (even checking my e-mail) took minutes to do. With laptops, at least $1,000 is required.
@@randy89555 right... Buy for what u really need... Goes a long way... It turns out strix g17 is cheaper than it's i9 peers and go lower on GPU (for me I am not a gamer). If they paired AMD 7945hx w 3060 3070 I take it.
What AMD can do with 35W, Intel matched it with 50, and What AMD can do with 45, Intel matched it with 75. AMD is Really efficient now. Imagine that in games, you can give way more power to the GPU. Outstanding from AMD.
In desktops, where you buy the RAM yourself, for sure. But a laptop that already comes with RAM? That is the fault of the laptop manufacturers, they can't expect us to be changing the sticks to maximise performance. Whatever machine is better in its stock configuration is what wins. Also, on the other hand, faster RAM has an effect on gaming more than anything else, since multithreaded applications don't benefit from memory bandwidth so much. And in gaming is where intel was already most competitive, if not better.
All this effort and can't beat a single core performance? Too bad, AMD. 90% of the routine of 75% of all users requires single core performance. Killing battery life for this???
@@randy89555 try AI coding, running multiple VMs with your single core performance 😂 And if you're in the market for a desktop replacement why would you care about battery life?
The reality is for most users the grossly multithreaded applications are meaningless. I love me Cinebench benchmarks, but the single threaded performance is really more reflective of my actual day to day workloads.
Competition is good. Intel was king of the hill for WAY to long and it only led to stagnation and minimal to no improvements for years. I am glad to see them trading back and forth again. That being said, my 13900HX can hit 32k in Cinebench, and I have seen some get up to 35k, so the model of laptop seems to REALLY affect this.
peak scores of >37K on the Legion 7 Pro and Mech GP17 with tuned RAM pulling like 180W. 7945HX in these Asuss units on sale isn't good enough when it comes to pure CPU benching. Waiting for a Legion 7 Pro with a 7945HX sitting under a vapour chamber!
We just need More AMD chips early on so suppliers can always have two options for their Laptops, but Instead AMD isn't prioritize on their Laptops so we don't get as many and they are all sold out, and being an Intel user, I just want to Try AMD again cuz I just want to Experience the Ryzen and see If I have another Choice that I can buy, I don't mind Buying intel their Products are good and AMD sure has woken them Up from their stagnant Sleep. However ASUS won't be getting my Money, a company named Framework is more likely too (More Repairable and Upgradable GPU) and should be the standard if you buy new. (Buying older laptops if you buy used) + I don't have to worry about problems when I run Linux and I want to do a
Ordered the 17 for $800 less than the 18 with the same specs. Also seems like 17 has less or no coil whine compared to 18 as some say. Will see when it arrives in a day or two
Thanks for this review i made up my mind thanks to it. I bought the Intel version rog 18, but with nvidia 4070. I work a lot in Corel Draw and with Adobe Suite.
How tf is 2 graphic cores using more power for video playback, did you bother investigating? Is it high cpu idle while paying video thats esting up battery??
For those who are looking for a laptop for a daily light-needs and haven't decided between these 2 processors. Please just pick the cheapest price among these.
I think in gaming you're seeing the difference between older game engines and newer game engines, especially UE5 which puts a decent workload on the CPU and lumen and nanite in particular, and probably at greater resolutions it's a bigger workload on the CPU and GPU BOTH. So, the old view of greater resolution always means more work on the GPU, so much so that the CPU doesn't matter just isn't true anymore. It's not true for desktop now as the 4090 is showing. The CPU is making more difference. In fact even NOW there isn't a CPU that exists that can keep up with the 4090 in all situations, even at 2K and 4K. In some games you're not hitting a GPU bottleneck, but you are with CPUs paired with the 4090.
Man, your content is just amazing. It highlights the best of each product and is as thorough and non-biased of a run down as I've ever seen. Fantastic job 👏 Ty
Apple had its free lunch by getting the first 5nm chips first. Now that the heavyweights got to the same manufacturing node, Apple is no longer so shiny. Still have to give it to them, launching it so early is a feat. And even with AMD being better, it's not massively so, the M chips are genuinely good.
AMD and Intel chips still need to sort out idle efficiency. Apple Silicon really shines when just browsing the web and doing light tasks; hitting 10-12 hours of real-world usage is honestly so effortless that it feels almost magical.
@@steph_on_yt some Ryzen 6000 laptops already hit those numbers with light usage. My Omen 16 AE gets about 8 hours but it's a full fledged gaming laptop while Zephyrus g14 does 10 hours and Zenbook, ThinkPad etc do 12 hours. Just depends on the type of laptop and optimization
sadly, jarrod only seems to test laptops with dedicated GPUs. I wish he paid more attention to non-gaming laptops too, I for example don't really want dGPUs in my laptops...
Update: The full review of the ASUS Scar 17 with 7945HX is up! Get all the details next: ua-cam.com/video/TjvQ1ZezOXY/v-deo.html
Hyping for the review, since EOFY is happening soon in Australia, so massive sales are coming soon
Hey Jarrod, would you be able to get a laptop with a 7745HX in it and compare it with the 7945HX in single core heavy games and benchmarks? I play alot of game / VR games that utilize single core heavily so the 3.6 vs 2.9 base clock has me concerned that getting the top end will gimp my personal experience. Problem is alot of companies force you to get the high end if you want a high end graphics card which sucks. EG Alienware.
Any chances you will also review the regular Strix G 17/18 or how it's called this year.
I'm curious how it compares to mine from last year.
@@FTL1511 The difference between them is mostly different GPU, with overseas version of g17 and g18 only having up to 4070 while scar 17 and 18 starts at 4080
what do you think of this configuration for this laptop? legion pro 5 2023 - ryzen 9 7945HX - RTX4070 - 1TB - 32GB - screen 240 hertz 500 nits - for the price of 1896.56 US Dollar
Good to see AMD giving a tough competition to Intel. With Apple pressuring Intel with it's M series, Intel will be pressed to find a better performing processor thermally. Good for the consumer.
Apple has to watch for AMD not intel.
Not good for wallet though
when it come to laptop my brother always had a preference to AMD seems to be a good reason for it.
@@muhammadtausif7195 How is more competition by having 3 CPU vendors not good for wallet ?
@@abdullahnaeem7275eems your brother is just a fanboy, like me 😂
The last 1-2 years have been really great for mobile CPUs. I'm really excited to see how the next few years will shape up.
What's best laptop between/under 2500-2600 USD?
WHat's best laptop around ( 2500USD-2600USD) 1.5-1.8 lac for working professional
Screen Size 17.3 or 18
Data Science and AI graphics
Computer modelling and networking
Virtualization??
@@Samdevay get Asus ROG strix g16 with the nebula display. it should be around 2500USD, you get 4070, 32gb ram ddr5, nebula display mini LED 1600p, 100% rgb 100% DCI-3, 3 fan, best laptop cooling technology at the moment. and best core i9-13980hx
@@Samdevay basically you get best everything in the market right now, best screen display, best CPU best ram, best cooling system but only 4070 gpu because if higher than that with 1600p Nebula display in asus it will overheat your laptop unnecessarily.
@@gwanime4929 Thanks how is G18 and what's difference in performance and heating?
Hey Jarrod, please make a video comparing the ryzen 5 and the i5 too. Majority of the people are planning to buy midrange laptops with those processors.
You're right. I hope r5 can beat i5 in single core 🙏 while also giving better battery life
i7 and ryzen 7 would be good too
@@randy89555 No Bro This year will be different❤❤❤
In single core intel will easily beat AMD ❤❤❤
And because of higher single core Clock in AMD so Battery life will be also Degrade
And another think clock speed can't decide the single core speed but yeh higher clock speed will definitely decide battery backup
Because if any company build a processor core for higher clock speed then that core can't use for lower clock speed
Thats why intel use P+ E Core Architecture for Efficiency
In battery power mode your laptop will use E core for more battery life.
You'll need to be far more specific.
If I ever get any 😅
The gaming results where the AMD chip is faster in 1440p and 4k are due to the chip using less energy at lower usage, allowing the GPU to use more of the available TDP, allowing better FPS.
yes, I have same thing.
Yeah I was thinking it's funny how the CPU difference mattered more at higher resolutions 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sounds smart to me.
Dude couldn't make connection despite making his living out of this comparisons 😂😂
Didn’t he have the cpus power limited in those tests though?
Love it when Intel and AMD are competitive like this on the CPU side... on the GPU side tho its far grimmer for this generation especially, both AMD and Nvidia did a massive flop for price to performance especially when the price hike is so big.
Though amd has integrated rdna3 that blows away anything Intel has
@@bogganalseryd2324 ohhh yeah rog ally seems to be benefitting from it the most.
You have to look at overall cost and performance you're getting. the good old Intel/Nvidia combo of laptops are always sure to be extremely expensive. And the Nvidia Laptop GPU's from 80 series to 90 series never deliver what they hype up to be...that's been proven. Why I love the AMD Advantage laptops. Perfect balance of power and efficiency within a cohesive ecosystem
@@abdullahnaeem7275 I agree
yeah, it's especially funny to see desktop buyers complain about prices of the 4070 when its laptop equivalent(4080m) costs like $2500
Thank you for including C++ build times! I’d love to see the LLVM Linux build complemented with a windows/Visual Studio build, like a Chromium Windows build.
Hey love the analysis you do and that's great as always 👍 *BUT* you often switched around the position of the i9 and R9 in the different sections so viewers always have to check which one is on top on which graph. It would be better if one of them is always on top and the other always bottom.
Or change colour of one
This is probably the most informative channel about laptops. Excellent Videos Jarrod!
Thanks!
@@JarrodsTech Np! Can't wait to see more computer reviews.
What's best laptop between/under 2500-2600 USD?
@@Samdevay Go for an Alienware. Amazing Build Quality!
WHat's best laptop around ( 2500USD-2600USD) 1.5-1.8 lac for working professional
Screen Size 17.3 or 18
Data Science and AI graphics
Computer modelling and networking
Virtualization???
Man imagine being able to afford one of these.
6k for a laptop... dreams bro
there are cheaper, better options than Asuss imo. $4K AUD for a Legion 7 Pro 13900HX/4080 is about the best ... I mean least worst value...... and $5k for L7P with 4090, or the Tongfang (XMG Neo 23 / Mech17 GP / Aftershock Manta etc).
Go get a job instead of complaining about how you can't afford anything and starting a pity party under every tech video.
😂😂😂@@Freestyle80
My friend, I make 6 figures, and 6K for a laptop is extreme! I would never in 1000000 years bite that bullet.
The work you put into your comparisons is quit amazing. It's not something that's lost on most of us. Thank you for all the work you do!
Quite interesting data.
I find it especially interesting how Intel and AMD are trading blows instead of having a clear lead for one side or the other.
EDIT: In gaming.
What's best laptop between/under 2500-2600 USD?
WHat's best laptop around ( 2500USD-2600USD) 1.5-1.8 lac for working professional
Screen Size 17.3 or 18
Data Science and AI graphics
Computer modelling and networking
Virtualization??
Part of the circus thats why 😂
It's worth noting that the Radeon 610(M) is on the I/O die and explicitly meant for extremely light tasks and especially GPU diagnostics.
It's meant for youtube videos as well, & long battery life. I think Jarrod messed up that test.
Really interesting how poorly it did at UA-cam playback, considering that's half the reason it exists in the CPU.
@@randxalthor The iGPU didn't do poorly at youtube playback, battery life is unrelated to performance. The issue with battery life is with chiplets. Chiplets are much less efficient than monolithic dies, and it's a sacrifice that had to be made in order to achieve such high multicore performance at lower power. The 15W-54W Phoenix will have much higher battery life, since that is monolithic too.
@@mikeb3172 It might also be because the 7945hx is chiplet just like the 7950x (because they need chiplets to get 16 cores with good yields and reasonable cost), and the 7950x has significantly higher idle power consumption than even the 13900k due to the chiplet design. When amd does monolithic, they beat intel in battery life but seem to lose performance due to the lack of l3 cache that can fit.
@@mikeb3172 I don't think he messed up the test, but it is hard to pinpoint what as there's no power data during the battery life test. Maybe that would help? Notebookcheck found the 7945HX CPU package power to consume 42% more power at idle than the i9-13900HX (8.3W on AMD vs 5.8W on Intel). 2.5 at 1hr idle = 2.5 WHr stolen.
>We also checked the CPU Package Power while idling with identical power settings on both systems. Intel's Core i9-13900HX is better in this regard with an average consumption of 5.8 Watts, while the AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX consumes 42 % more at ~8.3 Watts.
But that'd only explain maybe ~10 WHr due to higher load (thus a ~11% loss in battery life). Something else is wrong here.
I think the adantage in higher resolutions might be the efficiency of 7945HX letting the GPU use more of the TDP budget
Thanks Jarrod ,for all your hard work. Really appreciate it
Jarrod, did you have any instability issues with the i9? Are they affected by the CPU degradation?
"For those who dare"
...to not have an honored warranty
Bruh, hope the motherboard problem doesn't spread into their AMD laptop lineup (as the Ryzen 9 7945HX is basically a 7950X desktop but with cutted down TDP)
@@sihamhamda47 All good
@@Eleganttf2
Considering the temps in this video I'd sooner bet it isn't. That AMD chip was running much hotter than the Intel and that was while pulling less power. Definitely something going on there.
@@KaoruSugimura "hur dur definently something" oh idk maybe the fact it's a damn 16 core and it's a dragon range processor
What a right moment for this video to release, the M18 was offering both high end configs but ended up getting Intel since it was cheaper oddly enough & I guess i made the right choice since the performance difference in games is negligible (I play at 1080p anyways so went for the 480hz option ) all I care about is cooling & maintaining its max speeds now, thanks for the video glad I don’t have to cancel my order lol
how are you enjoying it? and why do you prefer to game in 1080p instead of 1440p on the m18? i keep going back and forth as i was gonna use AMD for the CPU and the 7900m GPU but it requires me to get the FHD screen and not the UHD
@@jacedragon I enjoy it a lot, IMO FHD is where it’s at for high refresh rate gaming & I love high FPS. It really depends on what you want, I went with the 4090 config but I hear the 7900m is in between 4070 & 4080. & on an 18 inch screen 1200p is fine for me of course QHD will look crispier but I don’t care much about res if Im being honest. I went for the 4090 for the best performance possible & the 13980HX since the test shows it was doing better at 1090p
Jarrod, thank you very much for improving the "Professional applications" Section in the review: I must say that more and more engineering companies and such start using gaming laptops instead of "Professional" laptop with "professional" video cards (like RTX T1000, RTX A4000 and so on) -- the price premium for "professional" became insane lately, not reasoning the gains.
If you could add any 3D CAD applications (SolidWorks, CATIA, Fire Pro) and FE software (CalculiX is free, for example) that would be great!
AMD winning in gaming performance but sadly sacrificing efficiency on battery kinda makes sense for these big desktop replacements
It's by design of their desktop chiplet architecture. It has an always active seperate I/O die.
Dragon range is their desktop chips.
@@DeepteshLovesTECH ELI5?
they don't sacrifice efficiency under load though, it's absolutely the opposite.
Which might make a difference in a few years in a laptop with a total board power limit when the CPU is hammered in a game using a full 175W on a 4080 or 4090. In other words, something like a CPU limit of 75W will get more work done by a 7945HX than it will by a 139x0 HX.
I'm trying to decide between these two laptops right now and want to thank you for such a detailed, informative, and concise video. My current gaming laptop has an intel CPU but for most of my life I've preferred AMD, and, thanks to your excellent comparative review and AMD's friendlier price point, I think I'll be returning to my AMD roots. Thanks again!
I am also trying to choose, I have already reviewed 20 videos that you have chosen
R9 намного лучше. Бери его.
@@sfeffeefeffe-bn6rp я уже выбрал.
@@elderly_horsesatisfait ?
To think 5-10 years ago it was unimaginable to have more than 4 cores inside our high end laptops was incredible, and see today 16+ cores is going to be the norm is insane😮, and it will continue to get better and better, when all tech companies start to pursuit efficiency and performance at the same time with new machines andthe rise of ARM processors 😃.
Thanks for you hard work once more!
quite a bummer for me, I loved the last generation of amd processors because they managed to deliver pretty good performance while doubling the battery life compared to intel. sucks to know that this isn't the case with these two high end chips
you need to get 7040HS or U series processors for that, they have better battery life compared to even ryzen 6000. 7945HX is just 7950X desktop with less memory speeds. Same with 13980HK, it is literally a 13900K.
From other reviews, the ryzen 9 seems to be way more efficient than the i9 in multi-core heavy workloads (all cores being pushed as hard as possible), and show similar efficiency in single core heavy workloads (a single core being pushed to 100%). However, for workloads that are not heavy at all (like the one done by Jarrod - watching a simple youtube video), the efficiency cores in the i9 are enough to keep the task going, so there's no need for the performance cores to kick in, thus saving a lot of battery.
You should have tested intel’s 150W performance.
So that we could know that the power difference matters or not
I wish a compagny will put a 7945hx in a smaller chassis, even at 65w. Seem like it would destroy everything for a productivity laptop
with undervolt, amd cpu reaches 36000 score at cinebench r23 and intel cpu reach 34000 score, pretty close tho
Can you undervolt AMD CPU?
@@shrey522 Not much as intel, but you definitely can
12:34 Zen 4 laptop chips are same as desktop ones. Those aren't monolithic. 610M is simply what Zen 4 comes with by default, as this iGPU is inside of the I/O die
Could the 4K results seeming to be higher for AMD be a result of the 4090 drawing max wattage at 4K leaving less total power for the CPU ?
I thought about it too, if thats the case its just amd's efficiency coming into play and a genuine advantage.
no shouldn't be, the Scar 18 has a 330w power supply, and games shouldn't push the CPU all the way to 175 watts.
cross load limits might be lower tho. The less pure performance-oriented models like these tend to have firmware limits in place to limit CPU power under full GPU load to keep well below powerbrick limit.
Thanks for another excellent comparison, Jarrod!
You think you could make a review of an HX i7 model+4090m?
The 1% lows due to too many cores on the i9 is terrible. Imagine buying a top end gaming laptop and get poor framerate stability just because you chose a top end CPU
what to do? can we disable e cores?
@@vmafarah9473 depends on a laptop I guess
"If you need more power than this, why are you on a laptop?" - best point made
Just what I was looking for, thanks!
Glad to help!
The problem with AMD CPUs are higher idling power which is what needs to be measured. Its ok on desktops and not on laptops.
While I don't need MacBook levels of battery life, I do quite frequently use my gaming laptop unplugged for content consumption and light duty tasks. AMD's result was surprising and quite disappointing
16 cores across two dies ie not a monolithic die like Intel with higher idle power draw makes sense that AMD has worse battery life.
Hopefully ryzen5 will be better🙏
@@randy89555 what will be better is phoenix. That one is monolithic, and while it will only top out at 8 cores, will bring similar or even better battery life than macbooks
If you want battery , then look for the 7000hs series laptops. They are almost as powerful as the dragon range while providing better battery life
@@souvikmondal6161that's just not true. While 7000 HS series have impressive performance for their TDP, they're roughly about the same level as Intel i7/i9 H series, and far more slower than HX big boys (especially in multi core work load).
okay, just before I watch the vid: mad props for putting all these chapters and timestamps.
I have the 7945hx in my legion pro 7 and man it’s fire. Love it!
thinking about buying the 4090 version of the pro 7i, based on you having it would you recommmend i buy it? is there anything holding back why you wouldnt?
The 4080 is a scream as it is. I'm sure you will be thrilled with the 4090. I love the design of this laptop. Very stylish and subtle yet powerful when it needs to be.@@sosuslays
Thanks for this video jarrod
The realization of Intel is doing what AMD did, adding more cores to the problem, but failing.....
Yeah, I mean, Intel is trash, right😂😂😂
Daaamn, how much I love competition.
The ryzen one is so damn good at 65w. Thanks for testing jarrods tech. Embarrassing that no other tech reviewers have tinkered around with tdps before and showed the amazing perf of this cpu at 65w
ryzen is so much better with power efficiency intel had to cope by making extra weak eco threads 🤣
Great comparison! I wonder how the Intel Core i9-13900H compares to the intel i9-13980hx since I see the 13900h in many midrange to highrange laptops and the 13980hx in more highrange laptops. Are the 13980hx laptops worth their price?
no
Whoa intel really improved battery life
They literally switched places 😅
Idle power consumption of this 5nm desktop chiplet cpu used hear is more. 4nm 8 core regular ryzen processors have better efficiency than last gen 7nm and 6nm ryzen.
wow 16 full cores in a laptop and 32 threads wild
Other hypothesis: AMD does better at 4K, because of the higher efficiency. So a bit more thermal headroom is available for the GPU to stretch its legs.
11:37 I think I have an explanation:
As you stated before, the 7945hx is a bit more efficient. So maybe it drawing less power improves thermals or powersupply for the GPU?
Thanks information brother 🙏🏻😊
What about 13900hx? Much difference?
So in a nutshell if you're into rendering or gaming go for AMD... If you're into graphics design and video editing go for Intel
1:25
Intel at 150W equals Ryzen at 75W. For a laptop, you don't want to run your CPU at 150W, as that's a laptop not a toaster!
I'd limit the TDP at 75W for the CPU or even 65W.
A lot of work done on this one. great work.
thanks!
So basically, for these 2 laptops:
if buyers are mostly doing 3D rendering on the go - AMD
if buyers are mostly doing heavy video editing - INTEL
Great to see consumers are getting options on which one to buy... although I myself can't afford to buy neither of these 2 laptops... LOL
In DavinCi resolve amd and intel are the same adobe is so bias that why i dont use it.
Phenomenal video per usual and much appreciated! In the process of upgrading in the next few days. Been bouncing between the Scar 16,17,18. I wish I had somewhere local to see them in person but unfortunately do not.
Nice power scaling graph
I think this time AMD focused on performance rather than efficiency
Competition looks great for buyers this generation! GPUs... eh
Great video!
Holy, look at that 65W limit Cinebench difference between 7945HX and i9-13980HX. Intel got kind of exposed here. Adding more E-Cores to inflate benchmarks and claiming at the same time they improve efficency did not work well here.
Please make a comparison of these laptops, and tell me which one is best to take, which one would you take?
i got i9 13980hx with 4070 for 2444 dollars was it worth it?
Great comparison, thank you! Would it also be possible to include a game like Anno 1800 in future comparisons? Since this game really benefits from fast CPUs and especially Cache, it would be great to see the difference in the processors performance.
Thanks for your work jarrod!
Ty for the review
Damn Jarrod ur videos are great keep it up 😎
In tech u always go cheaper... I don't need an expensive GPU so I would go with strix g17
Not cheaper, but you mean whichever has the best value for its money👍
I do not recommend going cheap with tech, probably go mid-range. Believe me. I have had a $100 phone and doing anything (even checking my e-mail) took minutes to do. With laptops, at least $1,000 is required.
@@tekeagle2136 what r u talking about monkey. I wrote strix g17
@@randy89555 right... Buy for what u really need... Goes a long way... It turns out strix g17 is cheaper than it's i9 peers and go lower on GPU (for me I am not a gamer). If they paired AMD 7945hx w 3060 3070 I take it.
What AMD can do with 35W, Intel matched it with 50, and What AMD can do with 45, Intel matched it with 75. AMD is Really efficient now. Imagine that in games, you can give way more power to the GPU. Outstanding from AMD.
Thank you. You are always my favorite.
You should allow Intel the fast ram because they support it. It's like turning off some Intel cores to make it fair.....
400mhz won't make no even 1% difference.
@@jonnypena7651 tell we test, we don't know. Also, then why swap it out then. If it can use more it should be allowed.
In desktops, where you buy the RAM yourself, for sure. But a laptop that already comes with RAM? That is the fault of the laptop manufacturers, they can't expect us to be changing the sticks to maximise performance. Whatever machine is better in its stock configuration is what wins.
Also, on the other hand, faster RAM has an effect on gaming more than anything else, since multithreaded applications don't benefit from memory bandwidth so much. And in gaming is where intel was already most competitive, if not better.
He changed it for the video
The AMD CPU is better in multicore with a worst cooler? Because at the same wattage it always has worst temperatures... too bad intel
All this effort and can't beat a single core performance? Too bad, AMD. 90% of the routine of 75% of all users requires single core performance. Killing battery life for this???
@@randy89555 try AI coding, running multiple VMs with your single core performance 😂
And if you're in the market for a desktop replacement why would you care about battery life?
@@makeurmomproud leave him, intel is for monkeys these days, and no matter what you can't talk to them
The reality is for most users the grossly multithreaded applications are meaningless.
I love me Cinebench benchmarks, but the single threaded performance is really more reflective of my actual day to day workloads.
16 (high-performance) Cores in a Laptop CPU. That's crazy
It's amazing how the multicore rendering performance of a laptop CPU is in touching distance of a 32 core/64 thread Threadripper 3970x that uses 280W
Wow fr?
Competition is good. Intel was king of the hill for WAY to long and it only led to stagnation and minimal to no improvements for years. I am glad to see them trading back and forth again.
That being said, my 13900HX can hit 32k in Cinebench, and I have seen some get up to 35k, so the model of laptop seems to REALLY affect this.
peak scores of >37K on the Legion 7 Pro and Mech GP17 with tuned RAM pulling like 180W. 7945HX in these Asuss units on sale isn't good enough when it comes to pure CPU benching. Waiting for a Legion 7 Pro with a 7945HX sitting under a vapour chamber!
We just need More AMD chips early on so suppliers can always have two options for their Laptops, but Instead AMD isn't prioritize on their Laptops so we don't get as many and they are all sold out, and being an Intel user, I just want to Try AMD again cuz I just want to Experience the Ryzen and see If I have another Choice that I can buy, I don't mind Buying intel their Products are good and AMD sure has woken them Up from their stagnant Sleep.
However ASUS won't be getting my Money, a company named Framework is more likely too (More Repairable and Upgradable GPU) and should be the standard if you buy new. (Buying older laptops if you buy used) + I don't have to worry about problems when I run Linux and I want to do a
Laptops can't justify CPU or GPU performance properly. You have to use the same hardware for both only then it's a fair comparison.
what you advice me to buy LEGION 5I PRO 2023 4060 OR ASUS ROG STRIX G16 RTX 4060 PLEASE ANSWER I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS ❤❤❤❤
Legion is better
Appreciate your effort. Earned a subscriber.... Keep it up❤
Very interesting as always, thanks JT
Ordered the 17 for $800 less than the 18 with the same specs. Also seems like 17 has less or no coil whine compared to 18 as some say. Will see when it arrives in a day or two
Have you experienced any coil whine yet?
Thanks for this review i made up my mind thanks to it. I bought the Intel version rog 18, but with nvidia 4070. I work a lot in Corel Draw and with Adobe Suite.
moral of the story get anyone they are all good
How tf is 2 graphic cores using more power for video playback, did you bother investigating? Is it high cpu idle while paying video thats esting up battery??
thank you for putting this together, your work is appriciated.
I found for the scar 18 a deal at msrp in my country
Very Detail's Test!!! Thx !!!!
Can you do a 2023 Ryzen 7 vs i7 comparison?
Still rocking a Ryzen 5 5500u laptop really good from amd power igpu cpu everything very well balanced great job AMD
For those who are looking for a laptop for a daily light-needs and haven't decided between these 2 processors. Please just pick the cheapest price among these.
AMD ahead of Intel
I think in gaming you're seeing the difference between older game engines and newer game engines, especially UE5 which puts a decent workload on the CPU and lumen and nanite in particular, and probably at greater resolutions it's a bigger workload on the CPU and GPU BOTH. So, the old view of greater resolution always means more work on the GPU, so much so that the CPU doesn't matter just isn't true anymore. It's not true for desktop now as the 4090 is showing. The CPU is making more difference.
In fact even NOW there isn't a CPU that exists that can keep up with the 4090 in all situations, even at 2K and 4K. In some games you're not hitting a GPU bottleneck, but you are with CPUs paired with the 4090.
Your videos are excellent assessments and just what I was looking for. I enjoy the lack of hyperbole.
Man, your content is just amazing. It highlights the best of each product and is as thorough and non-biased of a run down as I've ever seen. Fantastic job 👏 Ty
Can't wait for the *7840U* review as well, that's a proper M2 killer!
Apple had its free lunch by getting the first 5nm chips first. Now that the heavyweights got to the same manufacturing node, Apple is no longer so shiny. Still have to give it to them, launching it so early is a feat. And even with AMD being better, it's not massively so, the M chips are genuinely good.
AMD and Intel chips still need to sort out idle efficiency. Apple Silicon really shines when just browsing the web and doing light tasks; hitting 10-12 hours of real-world usage is honestly so effortless that it feels almost magical.
@@steph_on_yt some Ryzen 6000 laptops already hit those numbers with light usage. My Omen 16 AE gets about 8 hours but it's a full fledged gaming laptop while Zephyrus g14 does 10 hours and Zenbook, ThinkPad etc do 12 hours. Just depends on the type of laptop and optimization
sadly, jarrod only seems to test laptops with dedicated GPUs. I wish he paid more attention to non-gaming laptops too, I for example don't really want dGPUs in my laptops...
@@VideogamesAsArt you know any UA-camrs that would test a 7840U laptop? I know Hardware Canucks probably will
Waiting for this for a long time.
thank you for the great vid Professor Snape.
How long would the battery last if the laptop was using 300W 💀
The battery wouldn't be able to expend that much power consistently
RIP my rx 6600 which has almost the same fps on the 2 presser on the gpu test
great video thank you so much
Perfect review, tnx a lot.
From what I see, these are two perfectly good processors that 99.9% of people wouldn't notice a difference with when performing everyday tasks.
AMON AMARTH SHIRT...alone worth watching the video seeing you wear that :) Great video, great band, great reviewer. Thanks Jarrod! cheers m8!
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