I have finally found this video after all these years. I watched this video back in second or third grade and for some reason I found the song and cuts of the F-22 to be the coolest thing I had ever seen. It is one of the reasons that I am so into aviation. I am currently studying aerospace engineering. running across this was super nostalgic.
SAME Also his video introduced me to this song Another classic video to me is the A-10 Thunderbolt II video with Sonne by Rammstein which made that song my theme song for the A-10
THIS IS HOW USAF and USN SHOULD DO TO MAINTAIN AIR POWER FOR USA USAF/USN upgraded 4th Gen to 4.5/4++:(To Main Air Dominant) 187 F-22 upgraded with 3D TVC, AIRST, PCD glass cockpit, New Improve Composite material, and Next Gen. Jammers system 224 F-15E Strike Eagle to F-15SE Silent Eagle 1,245 F-16A/B/C/D Block 15/25/30/32/40/42/50/52 to F-16E/F Block 70 Super Viper 572 F-18E/F Super Hornet Block II to Advance Super Hornet UPGRADE KITS INCLUDE:(2D TVC, 5th Generation LCD cockpit, AIM-120D, AIM-9X Block II, Advance Inferred Search and Track, Next Gen. Jammers, Electronic Warfare, and Stealth technology) 178 F-15C upgraded with new AESA AN/APG-63 v 3, 3D TVC, EW, and Jammers. 356 A-10C upgraded with next Gen Jammers pod and navigation pod. USMC doesn't need air superiority aircraft when they could get air support from the US Navy.
3D TVC on the F-22? Nope. Not needed plus the exhaust are made to reduce heat. Adding 3D TVC would require the entire TVC nozzles to be re-done and might not have the same results in terms of stealth.
as an F-16 pilot who's faced the raptor at red flag said... Fighting Raptors when they are 'full-up' is a mind-numbing experience. Between speed, stealth, altitude and all their capabilities, it was not even close . . . until we had regenerated so many times that they ran out of missiles and had to gun us . . . then it was fun but we still got thumped. By the end, the 2 Raptors had taken the best adversary replication we could give and played out a score of something like 18-0.
f-22 raptor the king of the sky's, f-22 is a masterpiece, it's the most beautiful piece of machinery that man have ever created. It's the center of all jealousy's and attentions. i will sell my soul to be in this bird.
The F-35 has all aspect stealth, there's really no way to deny this. All major surfaces except the vertical stabilizers follow planform allignment, and the entire aircraft uses RAM coatings and underlying radar absorbant/control structure. As far as agility, it is easily a level above current fighters like the F-16. It doesn't suffer from excess drag, carries a large amount of fuel for long endurance and the engine provides better acceleration and turning performance.
@MrCarcallas it may not be the most expensive,,but i know its close to the top of the list.im sure thats why they only produced a limited amount of them.then they turned to the JSF 35 project.its more modest price tag can make production of them more affordable.but its all good....take care
Speed is extremely important, it has a huge effect on missile range, and modern fire and forget missiles still need 30+ seconds of guidance before you can actually forget them (though data linking makes this less of an issue).
For those who say the F-22 sucks consider this. One F-22 with a less experienced pilot went head to head against eight F-15's with pilots with multiple combat tours in a simulated air engagement.....the raptor "killed" all eight. And the F-15 has the best air to air record in history with over 100 kills and 0 losses.
The F-22 also has clean aerodynamics. Weight means nothings if you have thrust and lift. Going by public data, the F-22 would only ever notice the Typhoon, that one is pretty good at climbing, though it probably falls behind at higher speeds. Everything else would essentially still be on the ground by the time it was at 30,000 feet.
@barbaguillux (IR, visual with a TV mode) IRST's only detect an oncoming, supercruising aircraft from 30km. The formation I described is actually done with the new upgraded F-15C's. The F-15's sit at the back of the formation and act as a min, forward AWACS for the F-22's. The new AESA radars and long loiter time of the F-15's makes them a good choice for the task (as well as the ability to escape when something fires their direction from max range).
If there was nothing but peace between the F-22's introduction and its retirement, and the plane never even fires a missiles, that could point to it being a very good investment.
@AmFearLiathMor also in the video, the F-22 is down at 19k ft. Not something they do in battle, just when they're told to go for guns kills. T-38's are bound to get the odd close range kill, but as an F-16 pilot quoted...
@barbaguillux Of course its not invulnerable to detection ... its just that its detection range is a lot smaller. Its a pretty simple formula (using example values only) Enemy detection range of F-22 30miles F-22 detection range of enemy 200miles F-22 missile range 120miles So for 120miles all the way down to 30miles, the F-22 can fire without the enemy being able to get a firing solution on it. I read recently that the F-22 only engages in WVR combat in 3% of all engagements.
The F-35 is an air to air, air to ground, and anti ship platform. It isn't limited to niche roles, and is more or less uniformly superior to everything that it replaces.
@lIIustration Most problems were with corrosion in some of the metals and the paint but that was with the prototypes in the 90's, every raptor today was built from 2005 to today free of these problems but yea there was 2 jets that had oxygen problems, every F-22 was grounded till they were sure that no other had that problem and if they did they were to get fixed.
@lcawood Problem is the Raptor was too expensive, way over budget and couldn't be sold abroad, hence the Raptor project was cancelled.. It also didn't meet expectations because it's 'stealth' was already behind modern radar systems.. The F35 program has taken over from the F22 becase it's more realistic, has carrier options, it's cheaper and includes foriegn sales.
@halorecon32 So the Jammer has potentally unlimited power. You can't put enough shielding. But the Jammer effects both sides. The F-15, and F-16's can fly without help from a computer. Plus the conventional fighters are cheaper, and they can still get the job done. Also, the B-2 has the same problem as the F-22.
@HackCausality I know. But a avionics package is a electronic systems for use on aircraft, artificial satellites and spacecraft, comprising communications, navigation and the display and management of multiple systems. So if you jam the signals going to it, it won't help fly the plane. The F-22 and some other jets are unstable and alot of adjustments are required in flight. @em745 The F-16 can fly without help for a avionics package.
-F100-PW-232 (The -232 engine features a larger and more efficient fan. This engine draws heavily up the technology of the F119). Engine/s Performance: Thrust 32,500 lb (14,742 kg). -F-15SE could change from internal configuration to external configuration (F-15SE) carrying a lot air to air missiles, air to ground missiles, & bombs. You mess with F-22 you got to mess with F-15se.
@mpogias13 "And an F-22 cannot launch missiles from that far ,it has to find them first" Nope, it can launch glide bombs from 130km, and it doesn't need to find them at all. A pair of F-22 can triangulate the general location of the S-400's radar at >400km (in fact almost double the max range of the radar). It can then approach, and launch from max range of its missiles/bombs and the glide bomb just locks onto the radar's signal ... once it gets closer, it uses it own radar + IR seeker
@barbaguillux "But it's valid for what RCS? 3m² ? 5m²?" Even without using its radar, the F-22 can start detecting enemy aircraft at around double the maximum range of the enemy's radar and comms systems (400km+). No other aircraft has an RWR thats even close to the alr-94. With 30 receivers installed within the aircraft's skin, it basically one big multi-frequency emissions receiver. A pair of F-22's can triangulate and track an enemy from very long range.
Yes, the F-22 does have an edge in air to air combat (biggest difference between the two is supercruise), but the performance gap might not be as big as people think. The F-35 is pretty agile, and its avionics are arguably, the best there is.
Raptor program has been cancelled, but we have almost 180 Raptors being outfitted for military service. The JSF is soon to follow up the Raptor, and almost definitely be mass produced. Plus, the technology of the F-35 JSF with surpass any bird in this planet's sky, making the Raptor quite the expendable aircraft. But for now, those 180 Raptors are enough to run this world back and forth, no problem.
Enemy pilots worst nightmare, a flight of four F-22's closing in. It only takes one of these awesome fighters to take down your entire flight of ten fighters! Turn tail and RUN AWAY!
@wadopotato33 The Su-47 is only a demonstration plane. The Su-37 can perform a 360 degree turn which has been proven and can have a stable, controlable angle of attack of 120 degrees. The F-22 was designed to beat the Su-27 and the F-22 indeed has amazing mounverebility. though its not clear if it can outperform an Su-37 in a dogfight. Depends on the pilot and situation
@coldfarted yes, 2:16 against F-15 with no losses, then only reason it cant do more is because of the internal carriage. The real Simulation kill ratio is 0:+200. Also, if it can do 2:16 against the F-15 force of 750 aircraft, then 187 F-22's is more than enough. And all the Mechnanics working on the F-15's could be working on F-22's giving F-22's 4x faster overhauls than it normaly would with a single mechanics-crew.
The reason is a one engine air liner would need to be on stilts to taxi around. There's a reason 3 and 4 engines went out of style on air liners too. Engines are reliable. The F-35 should have no issues on long missions.
@AnotherYankee Right now, the RN have just 3 F35Bs for evaluation purposes. There is a long way to go until its fit for service and Carrier use. For air defense we have Eurofighter, not the F35B as its not a Fighter. The F35B has electronic counters to supposedly protect it from proper Fighters. But that remains to be seen.
@akkahup "But stealth planes can't stand many G-Forces" The F-35 recently finished its stress testing in record time without any failures at all. During testing, its airframe was subjected to 14G's and it didn't even look like breaking it. Considering human pilots can only handle 9G's, this is a non-issue. "they can be detected" Sure, as they get close enough to the radar. But they can get a LOT closer than any non-stealth aircraft before they get spotted.
It is by far the best fighter out there. It does things that were not possible before. Thrust vectoring allows this plane to defy the laws of physics ( not really ). If you go to an air show you would be amazed at what this plane is capable of doing. It will never become a real game changer because, due to the outragous cost, there will never be a lot of them built. UAV's are the wave of the future.
@FXWorldBeater as off right now, but it can aquire 100 targets, and in the future we are developing stealth weapons pods and drop tanks, for added firepower and range, plus even though technically production has ended the production line remains open which means we could restart production if the j20 and t50 are seroius threats
Quote from an F-16 pilot who's faced the raptor at red flag... "Fighting Raptors when they are 'full-up' is a mind-numbing experience. Between speed, stealth, altitude and all their capabilities, it was not even close . . . until we had regenerated so many times that they ran out of missiles and had to gun us . . . then it was fun but we still got thumped. By the end, the 2 Raptors had taken the best adversary replication we could give and played out a score of something like 18-0."
@KARASAWA40 I know it's not the fastest way to climb but I was thinking that a straight vertical climb, or however long a plane can sustain it at low oxygen rich altitudes is the best way to gauge the power of the engines.
@USAAIRPOWER Sure it has. Your talking about stealth. It is very stealthy. No problem there. It can engage multiple vectors withing seconds of each other. Again excellent. But without the ability to base them off carriers they are useful only to the Airforce. That is a big disadvantage. Also they need a full sized airport to operate. And even though then have the cross section of a metal marble the next generation SAMs are being designed to engage and track even a target that size.
i dont think we can comment on how good this plane is until it proves it. As it stands its only shown that it melts in the rain, gets shot down by f18's and isnt worth building more than 180 of.
@em745aa Thats true. The only reason the F35 has a single engine is for the lift fan. I reckon it would have better performance if it had two engines. Plus for battle damage. If one engine were to fail you use the other to get home. But then it isnt really designed as a fighter. More like a miniture stealth bomber.
Pretty much every fighter around today can accelerate straight up for a few thousand feet, but after around maybe 10-15 thousand feet, the air becomes too thin for the engine to make enough thrust to overcome the plane's weight and drag. How much fuel and weapons are onboard can make a big difference. However, a straight vertical climb is never the fastest way to climb to a high altitude.
Double size? No. F-16 weighs around 2/3 the F-35's weight, but the planes have similar lift area and use wing/body bending with relaxed stability. However the F-35 has a better engine and no stores drag if we include weapons. It doesn't matter how you configure the planes, the F-16 can't really pull ahead.
"Just a thought does anyone agree with that?" A good effort, but that's not how thrust works. It's not constant. The SR-71 might seem a bit weak for a Mach 3 plane going by the base engine numbers, but that's fine because at Mach 3 it's engines are probably making a lot more power (the drag at the altitude where the SR-71 flies is also lower). The F-22 has no chance at reaching SR-71 speed, the engines probably won't support it, and the airframe certainly wouldn't survive.
on December 12, 2007 that after more than two decades of development the F-22 had finally reached “full operational capability,” meaning that it was ready to go to war.There is, however, no war for it to go to. While there are, of course, two very real ones in Iraq and Afghanistan, the F-22 is yet to fly a single sortie over the skies of either country. Nor has the Air Force announced any intention to send the F-22 to either theater.The Air Force is quite right to keep the...
@wartmcbeighn i think this plain is more for getting away from stuff because of the smoke, that suggests it is used to disorient or temporarily "blind" the enemy.
@at9670 The F-22 can maintain an angle of attack of 60 degrees. People say the Su-47 can do that, but in reality it can maintain an attack angle of 45 degrees. The F-22 is more maneuverable.
@youssef0eddoumali the f-35 is basically the same thing as the f-22 other than the fact that the f-35 can make vertical t/o and landings but its not as fast as the f-22 there both stealth supersonic fighters that have air superiority thanks to the U.S. military and there training, so just to sum it up the f-35 is basically a newer version of the f-22 so it depends on what job you need to be done.
@yyyy2999 ... not only is it the most competitive job in the military, being a pilot also doesn't specify what aircraft you will be flying. On top of that, pilots that get to fly aircraft such as the F-22 are highly experienced. If by chance you become a fighter pilot, you will most likely be on the F/A-18s or F-16s.
Sukhoi came up with the SU-27 almost 15 years before Lockheed's F22 and it still far exceeds it in terms of maneuverability (I'm not talking technical specs), the difference is unbelievable.
@KARASAWA40 Do you think Lockheed Martin should built F-35D Lighting III as two engines F35 using F136, similar F-22 wings, tails, air tanks, supercruise, thrust vectoring, advance IRST, EO DAS, EOTS, & others.
@USAAIRPOWER If you believe that stealth alone will help the F-22 you also fail to understand the rather significant difference between a land based early warning radar and radar mounted in an aircraft. Operating over the airspace of a major military power they would still be dependent on jamming support and strike craft to destroy SAM sites. It would provide excellent air support for those missions...if there is an airport close enough for them to be deployed.
@IauthenticI "F-35 are real aircraft which are currently in service" Not quite ... the f-35's not in service yet .... not until 2015. Still in testing.
@TheDrCock i mean the basic flying maneuvers, like a c-130 could fly if the the electronics went out. but i know what you mean, im not guna argue but yeah
@MrCarcallas It is the B-2 Spirit. Their are very few and im sure if nuclear war where to break out the B-2 would be the one to deliver because its stealth abilities makes it a very small little blip on radar. They would never know what hit them.
@mpogias13 radars typically do share information, its called an Integrated Air Defense System IADS. The F-22 has the best radar warning sensors of any fighter and is built to map IADS radar networks and provide information on safe flight paths to all allied aircraft. US has the best technology for defeating air defense networks though. We have MALD's and Suter to mislead the enemy and stealth aircraft that can slip in through the confusion.
I can't help but wonder how many seconds the F-22 can do a straight vertical climb before the vertical velocity finally becomes zero. I know rockets can obviously keep pushing up vertically until they escape earth's orbit but they don't use atmospheric oxygen. Is the F22's engine powerful enough to give it a straight vertical thrust all the way as long as it gets enough oxygen?
@hotrod4you2 "Add the ability to drop Small Diameter Bombs" Yes the ability to drop SDB's is a great addition to the world's best fighter. Now it can attack more targets with precision weapons than any Sukhoi (flankers can only carry 6 glonass guided weapons). F-22 will carry 8 internally. "Add synthetic aperture radar" and the best air to air fighter is now the best strike fighter as well. "Add electronic attack capabilities" in addition to the EW capabillities it already had.
Upgrades go from improved Fly by wire, targetting helmets, NEW core processor (from block 25 i guess), support for aim9x, aim120d... Block 30 will cut the operativity cost (per hour)from 49.3K dollars to below the 40K falling even way further with block 40. I guess the fact the pilots right now still have to learn how to operate the damned thing ofc its enough to say the "craptor" is a limited machine...sure.
The more i learn about stealth planes the more i believe that they are paper tigers. 1.high maintenance: The F-22 Raptor needs 30 hours of maintenance for every 1 hour of flying. 2.limited loadout: The F-22 Raptor in order to remain stealthy could only carry 6 missile's or bombs and with the F-35 it goes down to 4. How can a plane be a effective warmachine when after every mission it going to take a better part of a day to turn it around and that only to drop 2 bombs somewhere ?
This will probably make you think, but if the F-22's engines are estimated in the 35000 pound class it means they are probably more like 40000+. And if the SR-71 had engines with I think like 35700 something, then the F-22 can haul some serious ass! I know the SR-71 aerodynamics helped it reach 2200 mph but the F-22 has supercruise because of its advanced aerodynamics too. Just a thought does anyone agree with that?
Oblivious I would like to see F-22 use 3D Thrust Vectoring Controls someday. F-22 nozzle look cooler than other nation fighter aircraft still using same old nozzle.
@Marine5484 True I can understand that to a degree, I guess like people had beef with the Osprey, but the raptor is absolute air superiority so it looks like the pros outweigh the cons, but I did not know the F-22 had some problems, thanks for explaining. I was baffled as to how anybody could say it sucks. Judging by your name, if you are a Marine, just would like to say thank you for your service too. Thanks for the reply.
The YF-22 and YF-23 were just being tested when I left the Air Force. The reason for no pictures of the cockpit is the fact it is part of the stealth technology and it gives away the material it's made of.
In spite all the marketing really don't see any reason why would this aircraft be invisible to radar. I think the design goal was to make an aircraft with a smaller radar cross section frontally so that it gets detected only at closer ranges and that the aircraft is almost invisible to radar from certain angles - so that a radar guided missile loses the lock for a split of a second while F-22 is dodging - and when the speed is mach 3-4+ that's more than enough to prevent a hit.
@JD12ish yeah, stalling not so impressive. I like the high G high AOA turns at high speed. Good thing the F-22 is the best in the world (by far) at that. Worst thing is the plethora of vids of POS flankers doing flips when the flight manual for the flanker says it needs to be under 200km/h to do those. When flying at combat speeds, the flanker's a brick.
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I have finally found this video after all these years. I watched this video back in second or third grade and for some reason I found the song and cuts of the F-22 to be the coolest thing I had ever seen. It is one of the reasons that I am so into aviation. I am currently studying aerospace engineering. running across this was super nostalgic.
You're not the only one, trust me :)
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Also his video introduced me to this song
Another classic video to me is the A-10 Thunderbolt II video with Sonne by Rammstein which made that song my theme song for the A-10
THIS IS HOW USAF and USN SHOULD DO TO MAINTAIN AIR POWER FOR USA
USAF/USN upgraded 4th Gen to 4.5/4++:(To Main Air Dominant)
187 F-22 upgraded with 3D TVC, AIRST, PCD glass cockpit, New Improve Composite material, and Next Gen. Jammers system
224 F-15E Strike Eagle to F-15SE Silent Eagle
1,245 F-16A/B/C/D Block 15/25/30/32/40/42/50/52 to F-16E/F Block 70 Super Viper
572 F-18E/F Super Hornet Block II to Advance Super Hornet
UPGRADE KITS INCLUDE:(2D TVC, 5th Generation LCD cockpit, AIM-120D, AIM-9X Block II, Advance Inferred Search and Track, Next Gen. Jammers, Electronic Warfare, and Stealth technology)
178 F-15C upgraded with new AESA AN/APG-63 v 3, 3D TVC, EW, and Jammers.
356 A-10C upgraded with next Gen Jammers pod and navigation pod.
USMC doesn't need air superiority aircraft when they could get air support from the US Navy.
3D TVC on the F-22? Nope. Not needed plus the exhaust are made to reduce heat. Adding 3D TVC would require the entire TVC nozzles to be re-done and might not have the same results in terms of stealth.
now this truly is one of the most beautiful planes ever made. these planes are the modern vipers. just awesome
as an F-16 pilot who's faced the raptor at red flag said...
Fighting Raptors when they are 'full-up' is a mind-numbing experience. Between speed, stealth, altitude and all their capabilities, it was not even close . . . until we had regenerated so many times that they ran out of missiles and had to gun us . . . then it was fun but we still got thumped. By the end, the 2 Raptors had taken the best adversary replication we could give and played out a score of something like 18-0.
f-22 raptor the king of the sky's, f-22 is a masterpiece, it's the most beautiful piece of machinery that man have ever created. It's the center of all jealousy's and attentions.
i will sell my soul to be in this bird.
Will be seeing this Bad Boy at Aero India 2011.A shame Eurofighter are not putting on a display this year.
Boeing, you are magnificent!
simply one of the greatest planes made in the 21 century :)
I never get bored watching this...
The F-22 is the most badass plane ever designed.
no matter what anyone says, the raptor is one of the sexiest fighters i ever seen, i hpe that one day I get to pilot one
the best with air to air specialization!
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just a insane awsome fighter plane.nothing beats the F-22 raptor,no doubt about it ;P.
The F-35 has all aspect stealth, there's really no way to deny this. All major surfaces except the vertical stabilizers follow planform allignment, and the entire aircraft uses RAM coatings and underlying radar absorbant/control structure. As far as agility, it is easily a level above current fighters like the F-16. It doesn't suffer from excess drag, carries a large amount of fuel for long endurance and the engine provides better acceleration and turning performance.
The F-22 is a beauty. It is the only plane in the world that can fly with God and his angels.
@MrCarcallas it may not be the most expensive,,but i know its close to the top of the list.im sure thats why they only produced a limited amount of them.then they turned to the JSF 35 project.its more modest price tag can make production of them more affordable.but its all good....take care
Speed is extremely important, it has a huge effect on missile range, and modern fire and forget missiles still need 30+ seconds of guidance before you can actually forget them (though data linking makes this less of an issue).
For those who say the F-22 sucks consider this. One F-22 with a less experienced pilot went head to head against eight F-15's with pilots with multiple combat tours in a simulated air engagement.....the raptor "killed" all eight. And the F-15 has the best air to air record in history with over 100 kills and 0 losses.
The F-22 also has clean aerodynamics. Weight means nothings if you have thrust and lift. Going by public data, the F-22 would only ever notice the Typhoon, that one is pretty good at climbing, though it probably falls behind at higher speeds. Everything else would essentially still be on the ground by the time it was at 30,000 feet.
That's the baddest bird in the sky right there (:
Hear that? That's the sound of freedom.
@barbaguillux (IR, visual with a TV mode) IRST's only detect an oncoming, supercruising aircraft from 30km.
The formation I described is actually done with the new upgraded F-15C's. The F-15's sit at the back of the formation and act as a min, forward AWACS for the F-22's. The new AESA radars and long loiter time of the F-15's makes them a good choice for the task (as well as the ability to escape when something fires their direction from max range).
If there was nothing but peace between the F-22's introduction and its retirement, and the plane never even fires a missiles, that could point to it being a very good investment.
@AmFearLiathMor also in the video, the F-22 is down at 19k ft. Not something they do in battle, just when they're told to go for guns kills.
T-38's are bound to get the odd close range kill, but as an F-16 pilot quoted...
Again, the F-22 was never cancelled, never lost to the Tornado, and laughs at T-38's. You could at least try.
@barbaguillux Of course its not invulnerable to detection ... its just that its detection range is a lot smaller. Its a pretty simple formula (using example values only)
Enemy detection range of F-22 30miles
F-22 detection range of enemy 200miles
F-22 missile range 120miles
So for 120miles all the way down to 30miles, the F-22 can fire without the enemy being able to get a firing solution on it.
I read recently that the F-22 only engages in WVR combat in 3% of all engagements.
The F-35 is an air to air, air to ground, and anti ship platform. It isn't limited to niche roles, and is more or less uniformly superior to everything that it replaces.
@lIIustration Most problems were with corrosion in some of the metals and the paint but that was with the prototypes in the 90's, every raptor today was built from 2005 to today free of these problems but yea there was 2 jets that had oxygen problems, every F-22 was grounded till they were sure that no other had that problem and if they did they were to get fixed.
@lcawood Problem is the Raptor was too expensive, way over budget and couldn't be sold abroad, hence the Raptor project was cancelled.. It also didn't meet expectations because it's 'stealth' was already behind modern radar systems.. The F35 program has taken over from the F22 becase it's more realistic, has carrier options, it's cheaper and includes foriegn sales.
the greatest air dominance fighter in the world!!!
@halorecon32 So the Jammer has potentally unlimited power. You can't put enough shielding. But the Jammer effects both sides. The F-15, and F-16's can fly without help from a computer. Plus the conventional fighters are cheaper, and they can still get the job done. Also, the B-2 has the same problem as the F-22.
@HackCausality I know. But a avionics package is a electronic systems for use on aircraft, artificial satellites and spacecraft, comprising communications, navigation and the display and management of multiple systems. So if you jam the signals going to it, it won't help fly the plane. The F-22 and some other jets are unstable and alot of adjustments are required in flight.
@em745 The F-16 can fly without help for a avionics package.
-F100-PW-232 (The -232 engine features a larger and more efficient fan. This engine draws heavily up the technology of the F119). Engine/s Performance: Thrust 32,500 lb (14,742 kg).
-F-15SE could change from internal configuration to external configuration (F-15SE) carrying a lot air to air missiles, air to ground missiles, & bombs.
You mess with F-22 you got to mess with F-15se.
I love both American and Russian fighter jets. Heck, I love all kinds of fighter jets. Why can't we all just get along?
@mpogias13 "And an F-22 cannot launch missiles from that far ,it has to find them first"
Nope, it can launch glide bombs from 130km, and it doesn't need to find them at all. A pair of F-22 can triangulate the general location of the S-400's radar at >400km (in fact almost double the max range of the radar). It can then approach, and launch from max range of its missiles/bombs and the glide bomb just locks onto the radar's signal ... once it gets closer, it uses it own radar + IR seeker
@barbaguillux "But it's valid for what RCS? 3m² ? 5m²?" Even without using its radar, the F-22 can start detecting enemy aircraft at around double the maximum range of the enemy's radar and comms systems (400km+). No other aircraft has an RWR thats even close to the alr-94.
With 30 receivers installed within the aircraft's skin, it basically one big multi-frequency emissions receiver. A pair of F-22's can triangulate and track an enemy from very long range.
Yes, the F-22 does have an edge in air to air combat (biggest difference between the two is supercruise), but the performance gap might not be as big as people think. The F-35 is pretty agile, and its avionics are arguably, the best there is.
F 22 is the best jet on earth!!!!!
Raptor program has been cancelled, but we have almost 180 Raptors being outfitted for military service. The JSF is soon to follow up the Raptor, and almost definitely be mass produced. Plus, the technology of the F-35 JSF with surpass any bird in this planet's sky, making the Raptor quite the expendable aircraft. But for now, those 180 Raptors are enough to run this world back and forth, no problem.
Enemy pilots worst nightmare, a flight of four F-22's closing in. It only takes one of these awesome fighters to take down your entire flight of ten fighters! Turn tail and RUN AWAY!
The most beautiful plane EVER designed!
@wadopotato33
The Su-47 is only a demonstration plane. The Su-37 can perform a 360 degree turn which has been proven and can have a stable, controlable angle of attack of 120 degrees. The F-22 was designed to beat the Su-27 and the F-22 indeed has amazing mounverebility. though its not clear if it can outperform an Su-37 in a dogfight. Depends on the pilot and situation
@coldfarted yes, 2:16 against F-15 with no losses, then only reason it cant do more is because of the internal carriage. The real Simulation kill ratio is 0:+200.
Also, if it can do 2:16 against the F-15 force of 750 aircraft, then 187 F-22's is more than enough.
And all the Mechnanics working on the F-15's could be working on F-22's giving F-22's 4x faster overhauls than it normaly would with a single mechanics-crew.
The reason is a one engine air liner would need to be on stilts to taxi around. There's a reason 3 and 4 engines went out of style on air liners too. Engines are reliable.
The F-35 should have no issues on long missions.
@AnotherYankee Right now, the RN have just 3 F35Bs for evaluation purposes. There is a long way to go until its fit for service and Carrier use. For air defense we have Eurofighter, not the F35B as its not a Fighter. The F35B has electronic counters to supposedly protect it from proper Fighters. But that remains to be seen.
@akkahup "But stealth planes can't stand many G-Forces"
The F-35 recently finished its stress testing in record time without any failures at all. During testing, its airframe was subjected to 14G's and it didn't even look like breaking it.
Considering human pilots can only handle 9G's, this is a non-issue.
"they can be detected"
Sure, as they get close enough to the radar. But they can get a LOT closer than any non-stealth aircraft before they get spotted.
It is by far the best fighter out there. It does things that were not possible before. Thrust vectoring allows this plane to defy the laws of physics ( not really ). If you go to an air show you would be amazed at what this plane is capable of doing. It will never become a real game changer because, due to the outragous cost, there will never be a lot of them built. UAV's are the wave of the future.
Even Aliens cant fuck with this one!
i like the plane and i like the music! :^D
Why did they end production of this badass jet at 187!? Is it possible to start the production again later?
@FXWorldBeater as off right now, but it can aquire 100 targets, and in the future we are developing stealth weapons pods and drop tanks, for added firepower and range, plus even though technically production has ended the production line remains open which means we could restart production if the j20 and t50 are seroius threats
Quote from an F-16 pilot who's faced the raptor at red flag...
"Fighting Raptors when they are 'full-up' is a mind-numbing experience. Between speed, stealth, altitude and all their capabilities, it was not even close . . . until we had regenerated so many times that they ran out of missiles and had to gun us . . . then it was fun but we still got thumped. By the end, the 2 Raptors had taken the best adversary replication we could give and played out a score of something like 18-0."
@KARASAWA40 I know it's not the fastest way to climb but I was thinking that a straight vertical climb, or however long a plane can sustain it at low oxygen rich altitudes is the best way to gauge the power of the engines.
everybody who talks about the decline of American air power should watch this. The Raptor is taking fighters to a new level.
1:18 Starscream and his brothers. >:) lol
@USAAIRPOWER
Sure it has. Your talking about stealth. It is very stealthy. No problem there. It can engage multiple vectors withing seconds of each other. Again excellent. But without the ability to base them off carriers they are useful only to the Airforce. That is a big disadvantage. Also they need a full sized airport to operate. And even though then have the cross section of a metal marble the next generation SAMs are being designed to engage and track even a target that size.
i dont think we can comment on how good this plane is until it proves it. As it stands its only shown that it melts in the rain, gets shot down by f18's and isnt worth building more than 180 of.
@em745aa
Thats true. The only reason the F35 has a single engine is for the lift fan. I reckon it would have better performance if it had two engines. Plus for battle damage. If one engine were to fail you use the other to get home. But then it isnt really designed as a fighter. More like a miniture stealth bomber.
wow! Look at that, it can STALL. Simply AMAZING!
@ViciousCritique Better question...when do the F-22's fly?? Not anytime soon since all of them have been grounded indefinately.
Pretty much every fighter around today can accelerate straight up for a few thousand feet, but after around maybe 10-15 thousand feet, the air becomes too thin for the engine to make enough thrust to overcome the plane's weight and drag. How much fuel and weapons are onboard can make a big difference.
However, a straight vertical climb is never the fastest way to climb to a high altitude.
Double size? No. F-16 weighs around 2/3 the F-35's weight, but the planes have similar lift area and use wing/body bending with relaxed stability. However the F-35 has a better engine and no stores drag if we include weapons. It doesn't matter how you configure the planes, the F-16 can't really pull ahead.
"Just a thought does anyone agree with that?"
A good effort, but that's not how thrust works. It's not constant. The SR-71 might seem a bit weak for a Mach 3 plane going by the base engine numbers, but that's fine because at Mach 3 it's engines are probably making a lot more power (the drag at the altitude where the SR-71 flies is also lower).
The F-22 has no chance at reaching SR-71 speed, the engines probably won't support it, and the airframe certainly wouldn't survive.
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@wartmcbeighn i think this plain is more for getting away from stuff because of the smoke, that suggests it is used to disorient or temporarily "blind" the enemy.
@at9670 The F-22 can maintain an angle of attack of 60 degrees. People say the Su-47 can do that, but in reality it can maintain an attack angle of 45 degrees. The F-22 is more maneuverable.
@youssef0eddoumali the f-35 is basically the same thing as the f-22 other than the fact that the f-35 can make vertical t/o and landings but its not as fast as the f-22 there both stealth supersonic fighters that have air superiority thanks to the U.S. military and there training, so just to sum it up the f-35 is basically a newer version of the f-22 so it depends on what job you need to be done.
@yyyy2999 ... not only is it the most competitive job in the military, being a pilot also doesn't specify what aircraft you will be flying. On top of that, pilots that get to fly aircraft such as the F-22 are highly experienced.
If by chance you become a fighter pilot, you will most likely be on the F/A-18s or F-16s.
Sukhoi came up with the SU-27 almost 15 years before Lockheed's F22 and it still far exceeds it in terms of maneuverability (I'm not talking technical specs), the difference is unbelievable.
Even if you are ally and civilian... this fighter will kick your ass!!!
@KARASAWA40
Do you think Lockheed Martin should built F-35D Lighting III as two engines F35 using F136, similar F-22 wings, tails, air tanks, supercruise, thrust vectoring, advance IRST, EO DAS, EOTS, & others.
F-22 is the USAF primary air dominance fighter....F-35 is a multi role fighter which is capable of air to air if necessary.
this is a way over expensive plane, but I must also say that this is the best military plane in the world as of 2/2012
@USAAIRPOWER
If you believe that stealth alone will help the F-22 you also fail to understand the rather significant difference between a land based early warning radar and radar mounted in an aircraft. Operating over the airspace of a major military power they would still be dependent on jamming support and strike craft to destroy SAM sites. It would provide excellent air support for those missions...if there is an airport close enough for them to be deployed.
@Lsumba97 No, only up and down. the russian super flankers can do it left and right, but thats onlt for party tricks
@IauthenticI "F-35 are real aircraft which are currently in service"
Not quite ... the f-35's not in service yet .... not until 2015. Still in testing.
@TheDrCock i mean the basic flying maneuvers, like a c-130 could fly if the the electronics went out. but i know what you mean, im not guna argue but yeah
@MrCarcallas It is the B-2 Spirit. Their are very few and im sure if nuclear war where to break out the B-2 would be the one to deliver because its stealth abilities makes it a very small little blip on radar. They would never know what hit them.
@mpogias13 radars typically do share information, its called an Integrated Air Defense System IADS. The F-22 has the best radar warning sensors of any fighter and is built to map IADS radar networks and provide information on safe flight paths to all allied aircraft.
US has the best technology for defeating air defense networks though. We have MALD's and Suter to mislead the enemy and stealth aircraft that can slip in through the confusion.
I can't help but wonder how many seconds the F-22 can do a straight vertical climb before the vertical velocity finally becomes zero. I know rockets can obviously keep pushing up vertically until they escape earth's orbit but they don't use atmospheric oxygen. Is the F22's engine powerful enough to give it a straight vertical thrust all the way as long as it gets enough oxygen?
@hotrod4you2 "Add the ability to drop Small Diameter Bombs"
Yes the ability to drop SDB's is a great addition to the world's best fighter. Now it can attack more targets with precision weapons than any Sukhoi (flankers can only carry 6 glonass guided weapons). F-22 will carry 8 internally.
"Add synthetic aperture radar" and the best air to air fighter is now the best strike fighter as well.
"Add electronic attack capabilities" in addition to the EW capabillities it already had.
Upgrades go from improved Fly by wire, targetting helmets, NEW core processor (from block 25 i guess), support for aim9x, aim120d...
Block 30 will cut the operativity cost (per hour)from 49.3K dollars to below the 40K falling even way further with block 40.
I guess the fact the pilots right now still have to learn how to operate the damned thing ofc its enough to say the "craptor" is a limited machine...sure.
cool plane :D much love from the U.K. x
The more i learn about stealth planes the more i believe that they are paper tigers.
1.high maintenance: The F-22 Raptor needs 30 hours of maintenance for every 1 hour of flying.
2.limited loadout: The F-22 Raptor in order to remain stealthy could only carry 6 missile's or bombs and with the F-35 it goes down to 4.
How can a plane be a effective warmachine when after every mission it going to take a better part of a day to turn it around and that only to drop 2 bombs somewhere ?
the f-22 raptor is my favorite plane
@KARASAWA40
F-15SE is only stealthy on frontal aspect thanks to internal carriage, Canted V Tails, and radar absorbent materials.
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This will probably make you think, but if the F-22's engines are estimated in the 35000 pound class it means they are probably more like 40000+. And if the SR-71 had engines with I think like 35700 something, then the F-22 can haul some serious ass! I know the SR-71 aerodynamics helped it reach 2200 mph but the F-22 has supercruise because of its advanced aerodynamics too. Just a thought does anyone agree with that?
@barbaguillux in exercises with F-22's + F-15's vs large numbers of F-15's ... the team with the F-22's still dominated.
F-22 and F-35 the next Generation fighters.
Oblivious I would like to see F-22 use 3D Thrust Vectoring Controls someday. F-22 nozzle look cooler than other nation fighter aircraft still using same old nozzle.
@Marine5484 True I can understand that to a degree, I guess like people had beef with the Osprey, but the raptor is absolute air superiority so it looks like the pros outweigh the cons, but I did not know the F-22 had some problems, thanks for explaining. I was baffled as to how anybody could say it sucks. Judging by your name, if you are a Marine, just would like to say thank you for your service too. Thanks for the reply.
The YF-22 and YF-23 were just being tested when I left the Air Force. The reason for no pictures of the cockpit is the fact it is part of the stealth technology and it gives away the material it's made of.
In spite all the marketing really don't see any reason why would this aircraft be invisible to radar. I think the design goal was to make an aircraft with a smaller radar cross section frontally so that it gets detected only at closer ranges and that the aircraft is almost invisible to radar from certain angles - so that a radar guided missile loses the lock for a split of a second while F-22 is dodging - and when the speed is mach 3-4+ that's more than enough to prevent a hit.
@JD12ish yeah, stalling not so impressive. I like the high G high AOA turns at high speed. Good thing the F-22 is the best in the world (by far) at that.
Worst thing is the plethora of vids of POS flankers doing flips when the flight manual for the flanker says it needs to be under 200km/h to do those. When flying at combat speeds, the flanker's a brick.
Gotta love the pop-top guns!
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very amazing... wow!! Besta plane ever made.. :D
So this is basically the U.S.'s Tiger tank of the air. Can destroy everything else but expensive as hell.
@Elfulcrum777 remember the f-22 have 2D vector, i'll say put the matv as a red team and see how it pair up with the 22