Jesus Christ. The last several minutes of the final game, Dark had like 80% of his army supply just waiting at home while he toyed around with the Golden Armada using just two hit squads of zerglings...and it was WORKING. Dark is a fucking mad lad.
Ya, that was crazy... Classic's army just seemed way too slow to respond to those hit squads. It's just not agile enough.. When Classic's Armada finally reaches one hit squad, they just burrow in the corner and Classic's force just standing there cleaning up the burrowed lings while another hit squad hits another base.
At that point it seemed like Classic just felt defeated. He spent so much time chasing zerglings with no counterattack, no pressure, not even really scouting Dark. Honestly felt like he was waiting to be killed
in G1, i tought that early carriers were the only carriers that could be efficient against Dark. Any later and they get mind controlled / hooked to death as we have seen so many times. But even that is not enough ! The early carrier strat seems strong for the ladder. But Dark shrugged it off ! i can't remember the last time i saw a pro game finished by complete destruction of buildings.
If Dark, Hero, Cure, and Classic were archetypical anime characters, Hero is the protagonist who's sly, charismatic, always fighting the good fight. Dark is the villain/anti-hero, not afraid of underhanded tactics and dirty tricks; he is foreign to honor, and deaf to pleas for mercy. Cure is the protagonist's best friend, who has a secondary rivalry with the main antagonist, and is usually on the losing end, but occasionally gets the better of the villain in his own right. Then there's Classic, who's like the other friend, whose main role in the story to occasionally remind everybody why it is they call Dark, "The Final Boss".
Pylon strapped to the front of the void, is strapylon, shortly strapon. The whole series is absolute banger, and cast is awesome too. Super entertaining, thanks a lot. Just made my evening. Dark will get queens nerfed. Again
favorite competitive caster imo. love to see winter invited to be an official sc tournament caster.... the ones they got just ramble uneccentric nonsense
A base trade against zerg, that has many bases spread all around the map, with +3 adrenal zergling using such slow protoss army is very bad choice. Staying in game to get eliminated completly is a gentleman move
I love this .. I remember when EVERY good player was Korean and Protoss at the same time (ok sometimes Terran - Maru). And I always had heart for foreign Zergs like Scarlett. This month I get back to watch everything and zerg players dominated the scene .. we have Serral, Dark, Reynor, Scarlett, what a lovely time for zerg fans 😅 I think that the zerg is hardest to pull off right to manage properly so it's basically harder/more training for zerg players 😅 .. that shows on Reynor playing Toss so good
I know next to nothing about modern SC2. But i still find myself wondering wtf is Classic doing? I feel like there's a lot of psychological pressure affecting this game. 55:00 THIS is what im talking about!! I havent played SC2 in years but im sitting here, a bronze level player, wondering "huh why isnt anyone in pro games using microbial cloud, doesnt that block ranged damage or something? wasnt it in SC1 too?". AND FINALLY 1 single guy uses it, in all of the pro games i've ever seen. I think Dark may be my new favorite zerg. I think he IS a zerg irl, because he sure thinks like one, with the nydus / creep / spore / spine push.
I couldn't help but think of GGG's no death run challenge of SC2's campaign: "I tried to save as many zealots as i could, but Karas STORMS HIS OWN UNITS!" Classic really channeled his inner Karas that game.
need to get vision build queens need to play defense early/mid/late build queens need to increase yer economy build queens need anti air build queens need to beat carriers build queens need to heal up some units build queens queens unironically might be a bigger bandaid unit for zerg than mothership cores were for protoss
yo all 3 rounds were disrespectful. what were you looking at? lmao, bro slaughtered classic PUBLICLY, just woke up and chose violence, total annihilation. xD
Wow! The games are insane. In game 2 he went up the ramp to protect the 3rd. He could of protected 3rd another way but he had like no tec, so up the ramp he goes, he should of abadon 3rd and made a 4th sowere else and try to rebuild the tec tree. On third game he should of made 2 cyber or 3 in different places. Think of it as rushing the att,armor. and shield.
>it's not even your main base anymore Yes, it is not: it's a staging area that treatens 2 bases. So while trying to clear it by storming through a very narrow choke wasn't the best call, removing that foothold before moving across the map imo was a viable decision. I bet it's not beyond dark to spread scouting lings through the map the moment that he stops seeing the main protoss army and just drop the hammer the moment he spots the push half of the map away from his bases.
Ah yes, the tier 1 queen, the perfect counter to the tier 3 protoss unit. Just like the tier 1 marines. Such a wonderfully balanced game. Queens, banes, lings and corruptors vs Archons, High Templar w/ Storm, Carriers, Stalkers and Zealots. Truly a well balanced game.
I'm probably a few patches late since this was uploaded, but what I'm about to refer to was at least one full SC2 iteration ago... And I don't think Protoss was nerfed in the last few patches, anyway. But with ZvP play like this, and from one Canadian commenting on another's comment: How could Scarlett have EVER claimed "ProtossIMBA"??
I love Dark. But tbh, I think zerg right now is weak in the meta vs Terran, which is why Terran is dominating zerg now is the GSL finals Korea, and zerg is also widely dominated by every race statistically, under Master level (I believe)
Well, if you have a fleet of carriers in the earliest timing as possible, but you don’t wall off well and you are not taking advantage of the fleet … then yeah. Especially, you have a bank more than enough to the wall off and you still don’t wall off. Honestly, all you have are air units. The wall won’t block off your units, and a probe doesn’t need to stay there to construct the wall like SUV or drone. The fleet just stayed idle for so long waiting for the Zerg to build the counter. Also bad micro, storming your own units, didn’t focus on taking out Zerg’s anti-air first…
Honestly, Dark just played this fairly well. whenever classic tried to stop his creep spread he just counterattacked with the zerg, and classic made the mistake to not play decisively.
Why not mix in a couple Tempests to handle spore crawlers? I don't get the single unit compositions... A group of what, 4 or 5 would 1 shot Ultras too?
Game 1 really showcasing why carriers are really not that good. They get absolutely rolled by corruptors on similar cost/supply, even when ahead on upgrades. After the interceptor priority fix so Carriers aren't heavily taxing the Zerg player's micro, they never seem to look particularly impressive in these pvz games between top players. Game 3 showing that microbial shroud is actually good (especially vs carriers because its damage reduction is before armor; Interceptors at +3 end up doing 1 damage per hit to queens/hydras with +3 carapace)
veryone acts surprised, but we all know queen is a busted 150mineral unit, base armor , no extra damage from units since its not heavy or light, BUSTED heal ammount, big HP pool, doesnt even use larva to be made, how about we tune down the queen and buff other zerg units
"This was more one-sided than a Mobius strip" is a classic (ha!) Winter quote that still make me smile every time.
I love the nerd jokes. There's a satisfying self-realization turned into 10% laugh about yourself for knowing it.
Oh thats glorious
Jesus Christ. The last several minutes of the final game, Dark had like 80% of his army supply just waiting at home while he toyed around with the Golden Armada using just two hit squads of zerglings...and it was WORKING. Dark is a fucking mad lad.
Ya, that was crazy... Classic's army just seemed way too slow to respond to those hit squads. It's just not agile enough.. When Classic's Armada finally reaches one hit squad, they just burrow in the corner and Classic's force just standing there cleaning up the burrowed lings while another hit squad hits another base.
At that point it seemed like Classic just felt defeated. He spent so much time chasing zerglings with no counterattack, no pressure, not even really scouting Dark. Honestly felt like he was waiting to be killed
Everything Dark does is illegal. Somehow it works. And I love it
edit: also, Classic send this to Harstem for an imba report
I was just thinking the same thing! HAHA
This goes directly to IMBA or i suck ahaha
it works because protoss has shit units
He looks like a Mongolian warlord, at least in Winter's trading card.
Is dark Imba or classic sucks
I think these games were Dark responding to a claim that he's lost his touch.
Dark really sent a whole cheerleader squad for a couple of herolisks
Armies at 57:35
Classic: 129
Dark: 103
Armies at 57:56
Classic: 42
Dark: 110
Dark is inhuman.
Dark this year has been such a blast to watch. Love the way you cast his games
that little rant about dark @28:15 to 29:30 was just wonderful, would make an amazing clip lol
in G1, i tought that early carriers were the only carriers that could be efficient against Dark. Any later and they get mind controlled / hooked to death as we have seen so many times. But even that is not enough !
The early carrier strat seems strong for the ladder. But Dark shrugged it off ! i can't remember the last time i saw a pro game finished by complete destruction of buildings.
Yeah, how tilted was Classic?
If Dark, Hero, Cure, and Classic were archetypical anime characters, Hero is the protagonist who's sly, charismatic, always fighting the good fight. Dark is the villain/anti-hero, not afraid of underhanded tactics and dirty tricks; he is foreign to honor, and deaf to pleas for mercy. Cure is the protagonist's best friend, who has a secondary rivalry with the main antagonist, and is usually on the losing end, but occasionally gets the better of the villain in his own right. Then there's Classic, who's like the other friend, whose main role in the story to occasionally remind everybody why it is they call Dark, "The Final Boss".
This is. Possibly the thirstiest Dark-related title thus far. And we appreciate you for it
26:20 Dark was like "Oh, I see you're trying to get into your own base with the Adepts. Lemme help you."
Pylon strapped to the front of the void, is strapylon, shortly strapon. The whole series is absolute banger, and cast is awesome too. Super entertaining, thanks a lot. Just made my evening. Dark will get queens nerfed. Again
40:08 so this is the meme about Brenda 🫣😹 So every zerg base is basically retirement home 😅
Thanks bro
You make this game so entertaining 😂 🙏🏽
favorite competitive caster imo. love to see winter invited to be an official sc tournament caster.... the ones they got just ramble uneccentric nonsense
I'm a simple man; I see Winter casting a Dark game, I click :)
Incredible. We need more Dark on this channel
Thanks!
I've never LOL'ed so much watching a pro SC2 match from the commentary. Classic!
"ten probes down , i believe Banelings were heavily involved" u gotta love winter s casting XXXDDD
What DID Classic do to Dark to deserve this?
Pretending to be playing RTS by picking Protoss. Thats my guess
@@glimftw7255😂
Gotta say to Mr Winter that your casting has improved moreso this year, noticing you evolve makes you have a talent my guy 🙏
Great casts, Winter! Keep the content coming man.
A base trade against zerg, that has many bases spread all around the map, with +3 adrenal zergling using such slow protoss army is very bad choice. Staying in game to get eliminated completly is a gentleman move
Caught another one early! Liked for the pink shirt, which is hype.
Love your content! Gorgeous commentary, and a GREAT SERIES! Keep up the good work!. Love From Argentina!!
I would give just about anything to see dark and winter commentate dark games together
There was definitely something personal in this... I can see why winter likes Dark so much. ;)
The beacon is lit, and the fleet has been called!
Enough to deserve a like without asking for it xd
Dark can't keep getting away with this! He will, though.
The best dang ol starcraft 2 comentary there ever was hombre.
26:30 Dark is like: oh, you're playing on my team now?
Wow that was epic and amazing, thank you for bringing those games and great casting to us
game 3 was like dark being in his laboratory trying new means to decimate the enemy
Is there a Zerg building that triggers the "Fusion core/fleet beacon" tune (can't remember the official name from the LotR movie)
I love this .. I remember when EVERY good player was Korean and Protoss at the same time (ok sometimes Terran - Maru). And I always had heart for foreign Zergs like Scarlett. This month I get back to watch everything and zerg players dominated the scene .. we have Serral, Dark, Reynor, Scarlett, what a lovely time for zerg fans 😅
I think that the zerg is hardest to pull off right to manage properly so it's basically harder/more training for zerg players 😅 .. that shows on Reynor playing Toss so good
I don't remember ever seeing Winter take his headset off like that! LMFAO brutal.
Trivia : Queen Elizabeth II had the nickname Brenda.
I went to relike the video so many times. Great and very entertaining commentary once again Winter!!
been watching the channel for awhile. I enjoy it so I like, comment, and subscribe. Cheers!
Is this winters way of telling us he wants to get dommed by dark 🤔
And you don't?
@@RyuFelinshire like anyone has a choice
@@RyuFelinshire you know I do 🥵🥵🥵
Thank You
Om nom nom
I know next to nothing about modern SC2.
But i still find myself wondering wtf is Classic doing?
I feel like there's a lot of psychological pressure affecting this game.
55:00 THIS is what im talking about!! I havent played SC2 in years but im sitting here, a bronze level player, wondering "huh why isnt anyone in pro games using microbial cloud, doesnt that block ranged damage or something? wasnt it in SC1 too?". AND FINALLY 1 single guy uses it, in all of the pro games i've ever seen.
I think Dark may be my new favorite zerg. I think he IS a zerg irl, because he sure thinks like one, with the nydus / creep / spore / spine push.
Dark hit Classic with every spell known to man at the end of game 3. That's some "Beating GM w/ stupid stuff" right there.
Awesome cast, awesome game !
Dark striking from many places with his many arms
Cthulu looking mf'er i stg lol
that first big battle of the first game, classic killed 43 of his own interceptors
I couldn't help but think of GGG's no death run challenge of SC2's campaign: "I tried to save as many zealots as i could, but Karas STORMS HIS OWN UNITS!" Classic really channeled his inner Karas that game.
I think he would of done better if he didn't research storm...
@@ironmonkey1512 He should have been using feedback on the Queens.
I came here to watch some starcraft games... not for torture that ends in a brutal murder.
"Stop! STOP! He's already dead!"
need to get vision
build queens
need to play defense early/mid/late
build queens
need to increase yer economy
build queens
need anti air
build queens
need to beat carriers
build queens
need to heal up some units
build queens
queens unironically might be a bigger bandaid unit for zerg than mothership cores were for protoss
My mom enter into the room; Winter "be aware of dark holes"
Game 1 was so disrespectful, I love it
yo all 3 rounds were disrespectful. what were you looking at? lmao, bro slaughtered classic PUBLICLY, just woke up and chose violence, total annihilation. xD
Wow. Hadda watch that last game 3 times!😮
Wow! The games are insane. In game 2 he went up the ramp to protect the 3rd. He could of protected 3rd another way but he had like no tec, so up the ramp he goes, he should of abadon 3rd and made a 4th sowere else and try to rebuild the tec tree. On third game he should of made 2 cyber or 3 in different places. Think of it as rushing the att,armor. and shield.
6:06 a baneling-involved detonation
I think this is the first time I've ever seen a pro Starcraft game end due to building elimination. It almost never happens
It was a dark and stormy night
That last game was like some kind of nightmare
Anyone know the song @ 51:05?
26:45 Baneling Probetoss.
Transfuse number must have been the HOT ticks.
>it's not even your main base anymore
Yes, it is not: it's a staging area that treatens 2 bases. So while trying to clear it by storming through a very narrow choke wasn't the best call, removing that foothold before moving across the map imo was a viable decision. I bet it's not beyond dark to spread scouting lings through the map the moment that he stops seeing the main protoss army and just drop the hammer the moment he spots the push half of the map away from his bases.
classic was dead either way
Ah yes, the tier 1 queen, the perfect counter to the tier 3 protoss unit. Just like the tier 1 marines. Such a wonderfully balanced game. Queens, banes, lings and corruptors vs Archons, High Templar w/ Storm, Carriers, Stalkers and Zealots. Truly a well balanced game.
12:21 I think Dark won that fight because Classic killed so many of his own interceptors.
This. He neutered his own fleet with storms.
Exactly 1 hour, nice! Also wp on "who wants to be a grandmaster"
Ladder anxiety != Ladder Relaxation/Confidence/Zennitude/Spa time
I'm probably a few patches late since this was uploaded, but what I'm about to refer to was at least one full SC2 iteration ago... And I don't think Protoss was nerfed in the last few patches, anyway.
But with ZvP play like this, and from one Canadian commenting on another's comment: How could Scarlett have EVER claimed "ProtossIMBA"??
12:37 look who ACTUALLY killed the carriers as weapons - ie killed the interceptors.
FuK yeah boyz! weekend time! thanks winter! love your content, plz never ever stop.
+3 Adrenal Lings and Ultras... The best anti-air in the game. lol
Great game Great caster Sub!
When he does his proxy hatches, feels like his production goes x2
I love Dark. But tbh, I think zerg right now is weak in the meta vs Terran, which is why Terran is dominating zerg now is the GSL finals Korea, and zerg is also widely dominated by every race statistically, under Master level (I believe)
Vs Protoss it's okay I think
Maybe Terran is slightly OP right now, the results say so
Dark is absolutely disgusting, feral and primal. He is the swarm.
Who did you think Kerrigan answered to? xD
Well, if you have a fleet of carriers in the earliest timing as possible, but you don’t wall off well and you are not taking advantage of the fleet … then yeah. Especially, you have a bank more than enough to the wall off and you still don’t wall off. Honestly, all you have are air units. The wall won’t block off your units, and a probe doesn’t need to stay there to construct the wall like SUV or drone. The fleet just stayed idle for so long waiting for the Zerg to build the counter. Also bad micro, storming your own units, didn’t focus on taking out Zerg’s anti-air first…
Mighty Carrier fleet, totally owned by Zerg Queens and Corruptors. Ouch!
i'm here for the title
I love the beacon music!!!!
this game had me cackling like a maniac
Has winter outright said that dark is his favourite pro to cast at the moment? So many games involving him recently. Not that im complaining.
when that battle for azeroth soundtrack kicks in....
Honestly, Dark just played this fairly well. whenever classic tried to stop his creep spread he just counterattacked with the zerg, and classic made the mistake to not play decisively.
I did not expect winter to be jealous *of Classic* because he wanted to be dominated by Dark :D
Classic refused to GG after killing his own units in game 1, and Dark took that personal. That last game was just cyber-bullying!
That was brutal.
Rest in pieces Classic. The most disrespectful series I have ever seen.
Doomguy rolled through and said f these protoss xD
How can one see Hero Vs Dark and not watch
But also - where's ma gad damn 5h ladder videos winter
JUST PRESS THE LIKE BUTTON!
A small action for us, a giant leap for Winter!
lol 29:00 sounds like dark plays sc like a shadowrun job
Why not mix in a couple Tempests to handle spore crawlers? I don't get the single unit compositions... A group of what, 4 or 5 would 1 shot Ultras too?
Is Big Game Hunters still a thing? Haven't played much SC since the last millennium.
Love the color of your shirt mate.
thanks winter for daily videos
how many times do we need to see op zerg killing the always 3rd place finishing protoss, before well,, never mind..
That first game was filthy
umm is it even possible for dark to ever lose? that's utterly brutal
Game 1 really showcasing why carriers are really not that good. They get absolutely rolled by corruptors on similar cost/supply, even when ahead on upgrades. After the interceptor priority fix so Carriers aren't heavily taxing the Zerg player's micro, they never seem to look particularly impressive in these pvz games between top players.
Game 3 showing that microbial shroud is actually good (especially vs carriers because its damage reduction is before armor; Interceptors at +3 end up doing 1 damage per hit to queens/hydras with +3 carapace)
I don't play starcraft 2, I don't particularly like SC2, but I watch you cast
There was a series to this sheesh classic just likes getting picked on Dark ohh you got carriers no need of flying units
veryone acts surprised, but we all know queen is a busted 150mineral unit, base armor , no extra damage from units since its not heavy or light, BUSTED heal ammount, big HP pool, doesnt even use larva to be made, how about we tune down the queen and buff other zerg units