Does It LINE UP? The Afternoon - Madeline Soto
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2024
- Where Was Jennifer Soto and Stephan Sterns - Madeline Soto Case - #madelinesoto #stephansterns #jennifersoto #timeline
This Video goes over the Jennifer Soto and Stephan sterns pings as well as surveillance footage sigtings of Stephan Stern's vehicle
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*ALERT!!!! "Stephan called Jennifer to tell her what happened (regarding flat tire) and apologized profusely for not being back in time to go with her to pick up Maddie" He Called when he got back at 2:47 PM while Jenn was already driving to the school.
Wait what ??!! No way
Wait what? How did he call if he left his phone back home?
about the flat tire
@@Mama.bear125 I just explained it. after he got homat 2:47 he called her and apologized as she already left. ...it's explained above. how was this confusing?
Aaahh … maybe she was confused about the 10AM call when he said he left his phone at home. Or maybe he magically left it at home both times.
The fact that she allowed her daughter to sleep in the same bed with a grown man makes her just as guilty period
Absolutely
Yes it’s disgusting but I’m personally withholding judgment on Jen until further facts come out. She could just simply be as dumb as a box of rocks
You are flat out wrong about JS. No grown woman "accidentally" allows her child to sleep with her own boyfriend?grown man. She knew exactly what was happening.
I know it's hard to believe but I know women who would be that naive, doesn't make it right
and you are flat out wrong.
@@Christine-kc5oi I believe Jen was into her own kinky thing and she could very well have just ignored. Out of sight out of mind
@@GrayHughesInvestigateshe’s not wrong, he says that she was sleeping in a separate bed with the boyfriend. How is that wrong?
LE says your flat out wrong too,,, she’s free because she didn’t know anything,,, worry about ur own life ya no?
Sorry but as a mother myself, I can’t see Jennifer not knowing about any of the abuse for over 6 years under her roof.
It’s impossible for a mother not to know after that much time and the amount of abuse incidents. We all know mother’s intuition is given to us to keep our offspring safe.
As a mother I agree, maybe Jen is just so dense. No street smarts so to speak who knows.
We all know most men wake up with woodies…. Then having his step daughter right next to him…she had to know that was inappropriate.
My girls are 13 and 14yrs I divorced their dad 10yrs ago…my girls have yet to spend any time alone with any man. They met one I was with for 5yrs after, never once was he ever alone with them. We been split for a 3yrs now and I still won’t let my girls around any guys I date, they don’t even know. They think I don’t date n for the most part I don’t 😂
Mothers need to be so much more careful. The sleeping in the same room is absolutely unacceptable and that alone should be a some kind of charge against the mother. Protect our kids! That’s our number one job as parents!
yep, he likely wasn't a predator
Caution is a good thing.
@@GrayHughesInvestigates even if he was, he would stand no chance. I wouldn’t let him pick up my kids from school or drop off or take them to the store, get ice cream, even watch them outside, nothing. They are my kids, my responsibility and no matter what my number one priority.
My husband would never have slept w/ my daughters alone.period. yes, their father. It took him a week or two to feel comfortable changing their diapers as newborns.....
WHAT?!! Never met anyone who was weirded out by changing baby diapers unless they were a sick freak@@Dani-ICU-RN
She failed at her most important job. Protecting her child.
And he had been gone for a month when she called him to come back, the very night Madeline is murdered.
Nah. I don't believe in that much coincidence.
what coincidence? man, you people
She trusted a predator…
Right.
Her bio dad also failed at his most important job. Court records show he was delinquent in child support payments. It’s also stated in the LE docs he wasn’t very involved in her life. How do you NOT be very involved in your own child’s life?
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Why wouldn’t Jen make someone stay at her home in case Maddie turned up at home after school finished? Tells me she knew Maddie wasn’t coming home.
Exactly. So does not mentioning the inhaler, so does using the past tense, no sense of urgency, didn't get her a gift or attend party, so does her paid back approach, so does her not noticing the single croc left behind.
Please don't make excuses for Jen. She drove, held down a job; she knew it was ridiculous for her daughter to sleep with a grown man, she knew he was weird, she knew Madeline was scared of him, she knew she was being drugged. If she didn't know about the abuse, she should have from all those red flags.
If he forgot his phone at home, how did he call Jenn at 10 am? And again....it is very suspicious that NO information is being given about the other roommates. There is complete silence on the subject, why?
I'm, sorry she said she saw her getting ready for school! She's a liar! She knew! Imho.
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🤔Okay, All right! So this just proves that she wasn't aware of the killing of Madeline Soto@Gray Hughes ,but this doesn't excuse her from not knowing about all the other horrific things done to that beautiful precious Angel?I don't believe that for a second! What else did she expect allowing Madeline to sleep in the same darn bedroom #4 with the door closed!😱 What righteous mother would allow such behavior?Not me much less the mom's in the chat!
there is no evidence currently produced that shows she was aware.
@@GrayHughesInvestigatesJenn is guilty of being disengaged and aloof. Horrible judgment too. But I don't see how LE can prove she knew about the abuse unless she is in the abuse photos/videos - and if that were the case, she'd be arrested already.
Jenn is the IDEAL, PERFECT target for a pedophile.
@@GrayHughesInvestigates so many people just want her to be found guilty of something anything,
The people seem to forget there is no proof that she did anything wrong till now,
It was just like the
Rachel Morin case,
The online sleuths found out her boyfriend had a criminal record and blamed him for her murder,
They were all 100% sure he did it,
Until they found the real killer and I bet none of them apologized to him.
The poor guy.
@@GrayHughesInvestigatesshe was plenty aware of them sleeping in the same bed.
And I am sure that she knew there was a tripod in the bedroom, and his weird ways! No excuse for allowing her daughter to sleep with her ex boyfriend! None! Idc if she was abused! A mother Always protects her child! The child comes before anyone or anything!!
Unreal how EVERY adult in her life failed her.💔 she deserved much better.
This! Bio dad was barely involved and he gets a pass
This video has some helpful facts in understanding Jen Soto’s actions to look for her daughter when she didn’t come home from school. Thanks to Gray for researching the cell phone pings, and for putting up with interruptions from viewers who couldn’t wait for the presentation to finish before questioning. Every one was answered in the video!
What doesn’t make sense is when they talked about the drop off story. When did he tell her that. She is so adamant about that story.. she starts off with it in almost every interview she does. And the black shorts. Did he get blue pants to change her shorts & his shirt when he went home at 819 ish… but then how did jenn know she was in black shorts if she didn’t see her that morning.???
I’m sorry, but my daughter would not be sleeping with my boyfriend. Never would that happen, unless she knew what was happening
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It’s irresponsible for the school not to call, but each district has different protocols for missing middle-schoolers. As I understand they have CHANGED their procedures since this case- hopefully others have done the same
I appreciate the fairness you're showing JS. But as a mother of a daughter and mother who did not remarry until my daughter was nine. My daughter rarely, if ever, met anyone I dated. When I met my husband, I didn’t leave her alone with him until we were engaged and married. This was five years later. I also taught my son and daughter that no one was allowed to touch them where their bathing suits were covered and that no grown-up asks a child to keep a secret or ask a child for help.
I appreciate your excellent coverage of this case, your appearances on Vinnie, and the fact that you benefit JS from the doubt. I think she served Maddie up on a silver platter to that monster! Thanks for breaking up my afternoon. As always, I enjoyed your content. ♥️🌻🕊️
many that follow this case would say you were irresponsible even after 5 years when you allowed her to be with your husband alone. sad world. You sound like a great mother. My mother was similar. We rarely ever met any of the couple men she dated over the years she raised 3 sons by herself.
@@GrayHughesInvestigates Thank you, Gray. My husband never showed a great interest in being with my daughter. It just so happens that he got off work before me. He did spank her one time, and boy, howdy… her teacher, principal, my parents, his parents, and the whole world heard about it!! 🤣😂🤣😂 We had an extensive discussion that we don't discipline by spanking! He was so embarrassed that a spanking was out of the question for any further discipline. Thirty years later they are as thick as thieves! I appreciate the approach you take to this case and many others. We used to live in Portland and once they legalized crime we couldn't get out of Portland fast enough. Enjoy your GORGEOUS, BEAUTIFUL, PNW, summer! Thank you, Gray! ♥️🌻ps she did bite one of my befriends once 🤪😜🤪😜
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Js and ss were together on and off for 7 years, so for 3 years he didn’t do anything to Madeline, since they believe it started at age 8
I personally believe she should as a mother theres no way on this earth you would let a teenage daughter whos body is developing sleep in the same bed as your partner. that is totally shocking.that is a car crash waiting to happen
She’s not guilty of her death, but she is guilty of enabling him of abusing her. Ignorance is no excuse!
Not being a mind reader is not a crime,,, she didn’t know
@@jenreilly8058but what kind of mother tells her boyfriend to go to sleep with her daughter? That just doesn’t fly by me. Madeline also told her friends that her mom wasn’t good to her. I don’t think she killed her daughter, but I suspect she helped in the cover up.
@@marys3025yeah that’s wrong of her VEEY wrong, but unless they can link her to the abuse, they can’t do anything about her, being dumb or in denial isn’t a crime 😅
I thought she would at the least be charged with reckless endangerment.
As a survivor of SA, my mom wasn't charged bc she would be the one leaving me alone with strange men as a child. But, she should've been honestly.
So only guilty of everything leading up to her death??
Thank you for your no-fluff, succinct coverage. 30 min videos are perfect in such a complex case. Love the visuals in maps. Helps a lot.
I disagree about “Jen freaking out like any concerned mother”. Jen did not normally collect Maddie from Mom’s office. Jen did not go inside the school to look for her daughter, which is what any parent would do. Jen used the past tense. She never looked genuine. Jen changed her story. Jen lied about seeing her daughter get dressed.
Thank you for your coverage Gray! You have really helped limit the speculation and focus on the facts. I wish we had more info on Stefan’s telegram activity that night.
Before contacting Maddie's teachers and friends, why didn't she contact Sterns? I'd be asking, are you sure she was walking towards the school? Did anything seem odd when you dropped her off? Was anyone in the area that may be suspicious? Why did Jen contact everyone except the person who saw her last?
Very detailed work. Thank you!
Let's use facts not emotions.
At 12:57 you show us what a quote from what Maddie's friend told the police officer.
Do you think it is more likely the friend was telling the truth or telling a lie to the police?
If you agree the friend was telling the truth, then you have to deal with what Jennifer said to the friend: "What do you mean? We dropped her off close to school."
On its face Jennifer is telling at least one lie - Jennifer was in bed and knows that she did not drop Jennifer off and knows that it was untrue for her to use the word "we".
Jennifer could easily have said one of the three alternative phrases which would have been true:
"Stephan dropped her close to school"
"Stephan told me he dropped her close to school."
"As far as I know Stephan dropped her close to school. "
But Jennifer did not use the truthful versions. She chose to use the untrue version to tell the friend.
The question then is why did Jennifer lie to the friend?
It does not make any sense on your theory that Jennifer had no knowledge that Jennifer was already dead not just missing.
If you are looking for a missing person you have no reason to lie about the last time you were in the car with the missing person.
The daughter's name is Madeline not Jennifer.
I’m shocked the police let Jenn and Stephan take Maddie’s phone home with them.
I think Jen hated Maddie and doesn't care and is actually relieved that she's no longer with us. The way she threw Maddies ashes at her father and slammed the door closed is despicable 🎉
exactly ...........not even her ashes she kept
Something that I'm interested to see would be the Mother's reaction to them finding maddies body.
What was he doing riding around in the middle of the night? Moving the body? The K-9 reacted to Jenn's car, meaning a dead body was in it at some point. Even though the dog did NOT react to Stephan's! And we all know he was riding around all day Monday with poor dead Madeline either strapped into the front seat or in the trunk where he later put her.
How did he call her to let her know he was going to be late???
Great question!
If you look at all of the pings and vehicle sightings in the documents, he is returning towards the home at that timeframe so, I’m assuming that’s how.
He went back to the house multiple times
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This was a perfect timeline Gray as usual! Thanks so much. ❤❤
Thank you, Gray! Great job!
I want to know where he changed his clothes, as many times as he did. Did he change in the car, or when he'd return to the home multiple times? if he changed at home i'd be even more suspicious of jen.
Also, Jen was so neglectful that she dropped off and picked up her daughter from school every day, she wasn’t riding a bus or walking to school…
Her school wasn’t the closest to their home. She was in a different school that they said was a better school. So she may have not had bussing option to that school. Mom supposedly dropped her at school normally according to Maddie’s friend and not down the street. But I don’t think walking nor bus were options maybe. Just a guess.
Why would a mother email teachers instead of running inside the school? Emails are not urgent.
because it was closed
@@GrayHughesInvestigates That's what JS says
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Another great video..thanks 👍
How many kids leave their phone behind?? thanks, Gray! * and that is irresponsible for the school not to notify the mom Maddie's absent.😢
They emailed Jen but she didn’t see it supposedly.
Very informative video. Thumbs up.
Very good doc review and I agree with your conclusions 👍
Very interesting. Thank you for this and all the work you put into it. I like that you don't sensationalize this case.
I do find it strange that she didn't at least just pop out of her room to say have a good day at school. I like to always make sure I have an eye on my kids and say goodbye even if I am getting up as they're about to leave.
I try an avoid applying how I would be to other people in cases.
They have a “habit” of leaving their phones at home so I’m not convinced Jen wasn’t with him when he left.
Thanks for an informative video!
Its really weird that the school didn't alert the mother her daughter wasn't in school....first period.
After this I believe they implemented a plan.
How did he call her about the flat tire if he left his phone at home?
I wondered this too
@@professionalamateur2803 me, too. very weird.
He called her when he got home
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This is good! Facts 🎉
You seriously think Jenn’s actions were those of a woman who knew nothing about her daughter’s disappearance? Wtaf?! Besides the fact that her general behaviour screams guilt … The excess comforting of her EX boyfriend over Madeline’s disappearance, as she herself showed minimal concern and exhibited the body language of a liar was SICKENING … She lied about who took Madeline to school and about seeing/hearing her at their house in morning, well after Madeleine was dead … she sat at the school in the one spot for an hour and quarter after school finished before deciding to start looking and calling around … 🤔… she drove around looking for her just before 5pm for a full FIVE minutes. Wow - she must’ve been very worried to put that huge effort in. (Reminds me of Trezell West looking for the two little adopted boys.) Why call the police to her mother’s work? Probably to keep police away from their house … Jenn’s late admission about knowing that her 13 year old daughter slept in the same bed WITH her ex was an effort to partly explain the photos on Sterns phone to try to cover for herself.
I truly hope you don’t have a daughter who is ever in the sights of a predator bc you are way off. No ”women’s intuition” needed here - it’s just painfully obvious that this woman was aware of who was responsible for Madeline’s murder. Not protecting her in the years leading up to her murder is absolutely ABHORRENT. She needs to be thoroughly investigated and, imo, charged.
Having said that I actually think you believe Jenn knew exactly what had happened, as the rest of us do. I think you took this stance to generate discussion (comments, liking comments etc) to advance this video. Even tho that’s what I think I still had to comment ☺️bc you pissed me off, but you still got those extra comments, as planned. IMO.
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What happened to this child is abhorrent and Stefan's actions were abhorrent and are correctly now being processed through the criminal justice system. I think you're over estimating Jen's capacity. Sure, she maybe she's shown herself as someone whose judgement isn't safe to have duty of care for a child. If another child was at risk by being with her, then CPS would likely need to intervene either to provide support (parenting classes, advice, visits, etc) or to remove said child. But as there isn't another child at risk it's a moot point. There's a lot of people with capacity and capability problems looking after kids but generally it's intervention rather than criminal action that is provided.
Very interesting, thanks
I think he dumped her real quick because of the Flat Tire. I don't think it was part of his original plan. I could be wrong.
right I have put that in several videos and in this one.
I don’t think he had a plan. He didn’t even have a shovel and bin bags in the car.
Nobody, including myself, wants to believe a mother would knowingly place her little girl in the clutches of a sick predator like Sterns but unfortunately these evil witches do exist. We all know only too well how many kids are let down by the one person who is supposed to protect them.
I love your videos
Thanx Gray!
We never want to belive that someone we love and trust would be capible of hurting us..
Thx. I agree she probably had no idea he had killed her. But. If more evidence comes out. That might change. But. I think this is right.
She did, and they orchestrated every step before the morning.
@@The-life-of-MeeceOh do you have some inside information the police don't know about?
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Great Gray by putting the pings and car movements of SS & JS together simultaneously. This would be a good video for ones following case to see. imo, until proven otherwise, JS may not have been the best mom, but i dont think she had any knowledge of what SS had done to Madeline, including her death. He groomed both if them i think. The one time she said he was there when she got home, i give her the benefit of a doubt. She was distraught over Madeline being missing and she could have just been confused, imo. Thanks to all who watched and supported channel. Give a 👍!!
I agree that Sterns probably did groom both of them, but I doubt it took Jenn long to take up the challenge. On the other hand poor little Madeline wanted to go live in the woods… It’s heartbreaking to imagine what this poor little child went through for all of those years - at very least since she was 8 - over a third, almost HALF of her entire short life! And her mother had no idea? Come ON!! 🙄 I think the idea of the pathetic mother being oblivious is ridiculous.
@@carolynm9638 You have your opinion and I have mine. It's just opinions and theories until there's proof to me. I respect yours.
I agree with everything you said Gray.
Very informative video! Thank you!
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Yes Gray, I agree with you, the unpopular opinion. I’ve been repeatedly attacked on other channels voicing my belief that Jen knew nothing of what was going on.
Hang in there!
Thank you, Gray Hughes for breaking this down.
Listening now.👼❤️👼
Good video
I love your show! U have an opened mind I appreciate!
I totally agree with you Gray! She is definitely not going to win no mother of the year award, but I do not think she was involved in Madeline‘s murder. And Stefan is super manipulative and I really don’t think Jen is all there.
Great job as always 😊
Jennifer seems very self centered, not to be bothered by having a child.
Not only does is she self centered, but she is a shite mother! I can’t imagine! 🥺
She’s got serious emotional and mental challenges. I’ve seen in others what some of these conditions and the med side effects and do. I’m amazed she’s trying to work. She may not be selfish. She may be doing all she can to hang on.
What do you mean? Didn’t you hear him say she’s panicking,,, emailing multiple teachers, you just don’t wanna believe it i guess
I’m talking about day to day life, when she lets SS sleep with her daughter, not when she discovers she’s missing!
Idk she gets there an hour early to pick her up from school , it sounds like she got worried pretty quickly. She just totally trusted that jackass!
You mentioned that Stephan returned Jennifer's call at 10 am and said he'd left his phone at home 1:49
What phone was he using to call her now? Do they have multiple phones?
I was just thinking, I bet SS had a burner phone!
I think you are absolutely RIGHT about Jennifer, Gray. However, she's viewed as such a sorry & negligent "Mother" (& that would include myself) that it's hard NOT to blame her for what happened to her poor little girl, even though she didn't participate in the murder - I think everyone's (myself included) so mad at her for allowing - even encouraging the situation that developed between her so-called "boyfriend" & her daughter that it's hard to NOT want her "punished" somehow. Anywho, just my thoughts. - Susan Burns
Really helpful when you map it out like this! Such a sloppy job by SS that it had to be a crime of passion and not premeditated IMO
She had maddies phone to erase any messages that would incriminate them both. I believe she was complicit accessory and cover up.
If that's the case, the police will be able to find it.
The police can retrieve deleted data
Can data deletion be collected from iCloud or the phone carrier? If they can it might show time of deletion also.
Sterns had said to the police that he had accidentally done a factory reset on his phone and the police were able to recover everything. That is how they found all the pictures on his phone.
@@hope4all366
Did the police look at Maddie’s phone? Like they did SS, I haven’t heard anything on this because I’m also curious if Maddie really left her phone at home all the time when she went to school
Thank you Gray for this video informative Question that lingers in everyone's minds Jennifer's Liars of seeing Madeline in the morning ,we dropped her off.
The other point why didn't she got straight to the admin of the school to check on her daughter. Why email teachers?
Don't under estimate both of them. 😢
I love seeing you pop up on CourtTV with Vinnie.
I just dont think a mother will be emailing teachers after noticing her child missing!!
why? it makes complete sense to email a teacher and ask.
Nope. An email can be read at anytime, you are in a hurry looking to find your missing child right now.
Yup, GO TO THE SCHOOL! They don't close as soon as school dismisses. Generally, in this case starting the day later, would have at least admin staff there till 5p. My mom worked in schools 30+ years and summers were spent helping her with admin tasks, at the school, summer school, etc. Her Principal allowed her to bring us. They were 8 hour plus days. This is long in order to explain how I know. Baffles me that she didn't park her car, get out, and go inside the school. The school should've contacted Jenn or whomever is the guardian, even an automated call, once a student is absent without an excuse. I'm in California, just geo fyi.
Right. No mother would email anyone. She would run in and bang on doors until someone answered. She would call the person that dropped off the child to ask if her child was for sure at school that day. We all know schools don’t close the minute the parents pick up kids. There are too many after school events, sports and teachers grading and principals working and janitors cleaning, etc.,.
I was always at school until 5:30. That’s just the way the job is. And, expected.
AND... the school sent an email to notify Jenn that Maddie wasn’t at school. Jenn says she wrote emails, but didn’t check them.
Mother’s know when their children are disturbed about something going on.
Women know when their partner is watching porn. Very few men even feel the need to hide that. And, some couples watch it together.
No mother would send their preteen daughter to bed with an ex boyfriend. Or, a boyfriend. Or, a step father knowing this. It’s just not done.
Justice for Madeline.
I really enjoy your videos. Do you happen to know if there was any evidence found in the car he was driving?
I know they swabbed it.
Why didn't JS go into the school instead of emailing? Q'S as I listen to this time line.
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Thanks for your hard work of going through the facts on this case. I wish others would do the same instead of making the nasty, heartless accusations of a mother that was manipulated by this huge predator. I firmly believe that we need to educate ourselves that they prey on women like JS . They walk amongst us….
13:12 Here in Houston, you get a message at the end of the day. Schools should notify earlier.
Here in the UK you get a call as soon the register is taken. Within 15 minutes of school starting.
@@mah3223alia Wow! That would be nice. I understand it takes more time but with all the kids going missing here, wish we had quicker notification.
Did Stephan have another phone when disposing the body? At 9:25 on this video, you mentioned that he called her and apologized that he wouldn't be able to pick Madeline up. I'm halfway through this video
Hmm...good point...Maybe he merely apologized after he got home when he got back on his phone. so at 2:47 he called her. I don't think I was specific when that call was made.
what phone was he on?
It was said SS called JS at about 10:16 to apologize for not being able to be there, but I had to fix a flat .
@@GrayHughesInvestigates You also said he returned her call at 10 am 1:48
Replay crew!
I wonder how many liars drive around aimlessly because they need to be away from home … it’s so weird to me that people don’t think they will get caught!
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The whole thing of schools contacting parents about no shows by pupils was established originally in response to concerns about truancy, as opposed to being a safeguarding response. That's why some schools do it later in the day - because the primary reason was to let the family know they hadn't attended, rather than being a safeguarding alert as people assume. You are responsible for your child getting safely to school, the school is responsible once they have arrived. The call system obviously is a useful safety net but it wasn't designed with that in mind originally, and many schools would need to tweak their systems to make it so. And actually the responsibility for them getting there safely still remains with you as a parent.
But Why does Jenn then State: “WE dropped her off”, you read that out loud. Why would she Lie if not to cover up for SS??
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Great job Gray! I know its your job to dissect facts but this is really well done. I do have my doubts about Jen but I'm hoping what you report is accurate as the great fact reporting ❤ I'm 22 years divorced now and raised 3 children on my own and still supporting them now they are close to 30 yo! As a victim of adoption SA and mental abuse for years I feel for the loss of Maddie😢 Thanks for the amazing work. 🙏
It is accurate, however if some new information comes out later, we will all find out together.
@@GrayHughesInvestigates Yes I am sure the police have a very difficult time with this case... I was just subscribing to your channel 🤠
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Nice job GH
Noway someone new.
huh? are you missing a comma or are you agreeing that nobody knew other than sterns and maddie?
I’m happy your not on the band wagon with other Utube on thinking Jennifer is involved! They all know how pedophiles can seem trusting! So of course she’s not going to see it
You know instinctively watching her that she's a little cognitively challenged,(for whatever reason - medication, current mental stress, even maybe a developmental delay - who knows). If Madeleine hadn't been murdered but the SA had come to the attention of the authorities, then Stefan would have been quite rightly carted away by the police but Jennifer would have,been unlikely to meet the the threshold for criminal charges, or to meet the public interest threshold for charging that is often considered. If she had another child then there'd be CPS activity to protect that child as she's shown that there's concern about her abilities to keep a child safe. But there isn't another child and being careless, challenged at likely doesn't meet criminal criteria or be considered in the public interest. Is my guess, anyway.
I think what it will end up being is a social care (CPS) issue. I don't think she knew he'd done it but I do think she took negligent risks around the SA by most people's standards and I think there's a strong argument that she should have known, even if she didn't perceive herself to know. But actually most cases of that level would result in criminal action against the abuser but intervention with the negligent parent, which might mean taking the child into care. But as sadly the child is dead, that obviously can't happen. There was talk of a brother in which case there might be intervention for a sibling, but I think the brother might have been this lodger.
Maddie was an only child. The boy you're referring to and his Mom rented a room from Jenn as I understand it.
Yes I think so - a lodger. In the early days there was suggestion he was a brother but he wasn't .
How did Stern phone Jennifer if Stern's left his phone at home and let her know he had a flat tire. On Google maps you can see there is no public phone?
He called her when he got home
Yes I would like to know why she was so neglectful with Maddie. 😮
Its convenient that it was pre planned stephan would drive maddie to school this time, of all the times, as it was rare.
What would Stephan say if Jenn was taking her to school as usual?. Umm Maddie ran away overnight??? 🤔😵💫
I don't think Jen was involved in the murder or cover-up. I don't think she was aware of the SA either. I'm probably in the minority for my opinion, but it's pretty obvious from his interviews how smooth he could come across. However, I do think Jen should have put a stop to this "snuggling" crap when Maddie was becoming a young lady. 😢
Smooth?? … people are living life on 1% of a brain cell… geez..
@@CrazyBunniePandaSmooth, meaning how easily he can make excuses. I'm well into middle age, so the BS isn't lost in me. Sometimes a person wants to believe in someone so bad that they have blinders on. I'm not excusing her.
I agree with u