Firmware 7.0 got released, Fixes "Hand detection" Part 1 : ua-cam.com/video/hMFGauAfJOs/v-deo.html Old videos about fujifilm autofocus issues : Jared z - Autofocus problems XT5 XH2 video - ua-cam.com/video/tnaKQDMM4lk/v-deo.htmlsi=TuPcj_70aWAnxx_3 Eddy Summers - XH2s autofocus video - ua-cam.com/video/-K3j6djuetg/v-deo.htmlsi=h-fzJiMHfVGvPwKq Tom Wright - XH2S autofocus issues - ua-cam.com/video/v17yNkLqtMQ/v-deo.htmlsi=U8k34xuaxBCoB01U * ua-cam.com/video/gaYjAO4LhlI/v-deo.htmlsi=tdclatLi_ecUOSO4 One more XH2s user tested it and got the same results, My camera wasn't "defective" * ua-cam.com/video/losiVoKUZLI/v-deo.html XS20 fw 1.11 vs xh2s 6.0 23mm f2 * ua-cam.com/video/EyGymn2aDqU/v-deo.htmlsi=n0KdROIbW32Dmv4Y I uploaded a short update on this channel to show you that I am right about false positive focus
Hi Edvard, I had last Party Shooting in AF_C with X-H2 80% out of focus. Then I changed in Menu AF/MF page 3 and 2nd Point Release/Focus Priority on AF-C to fucus instead release...now the camera hits mich more in focus even with 4.0 FW. You should give it a try. PS: the Sony A6700 is light years ahead with fucus except in real low light. Thx for sharing
I performed the test on my X-H2S, and your findings are 100% correct. I am a Fujifilm Camera User. I have the X-T5, X-Pro3, X-H2S, GFX50SII, and GFX50R. I've owned and used every camera brand except for Nikon and Hasselblad. Fujifilm's eye detection Auto-Focus System has never been reliable, so I never used it for my commercial work. There is a workaround in which you can do the same test, and if you are using Wide Tracking, whatever you put your autofocus on will stick to it and keep that part in focus. The fix should be easy with a firmware update. When you use Face or Eye Detection, they must ensure that it takes priority, like when you set your auto-focus on an item you track. Good work!
ua-cam.com/video/nt5WAP34qGE/v-deo.html in this the autofocus is working very well, please watch this and tell me where is the problem coming, i am thinking to buy this camera. Thanks
I'm glad you voiced my concerns; hardly anyone else is discussing this issue. I also feel that Fujifilm made things worse this time with the 6.0 version firmware update for the X-H2s. Issues that didn't exist in the previous version are now present in this one. I've been using the X-H2s for over a year now, and I really love this camera. Whether it's the colors or F-Log2, for someone like me who's an amateur hybrid shooter, I feel this camera strikes a great balance. However, I'm really disappointed with this firmware update. The previous update fixed a lot of exposure stepping issues, allowing me to confidently adjust focal lengths while recording my kids skating, with most exposures jumping around within 0.3EV, which was acceptable. But this time, the autofocus is really messed up. I still can't understand what exactly happened to the whole AF-C! I've been a long-time user of Fujifilm cameras, starting from the X-T1, X-T2, X-T3, all the way to the X-H2s, but this update has really upset me. I hope Fujifilm listens to everyone's feedback and fixes these issues as soon as possible.
Uggh yeah I've been complaining about the autofocus issues since even before the latest firmware update (I have an XH2S). I do wildlife and with bird/animal tracking, the box will say it's focused on the subject.. but when I bring it into Lightroom, I'll see that it's actually focused just in front or behind it. So the branch beside it for instance would be tack sharp but the subject would be soft. I crossed my fingers that the latest update would resolve these issues but sadly no :( and this is with the XH2S + 150-600mm lens which is supposed to be a killer combo. I find myself having to do 3-4 bursts on a relatively stationary subject with the hopes of having even a couple of acceptably sharp images (thank goodness for Topaz Photo). I still remember my Canon 7D producing super sharp and properly focused shots. Definitely making me rethink things... That last comparison vs the Sony really puts things into perspective :/ lol Thanks for the video. Obvious you're not fanboying over one manufacturer or another - just providing facts from your real world tests.
Im not a fanboy of anything , I actually bought a sony a7s3 before xh2s and returned it because I think it was an overrated camera,the 12800iso looks like plastic and between 3000-10000 iso is garbage. Colors yach , EVF had a green tint when max brighness, screen is trash for a camera that expensive, my XT3 had a better screen than that.(I wanted to make a video about that too but I retuned it) But with a6700 for video I use luts and I am really close to fuji as a look. And it is a very cheap camera. I dont mind the screen or evf and quirks for the price.
@@edvard2942 Is nice to hear that, cause right now I'm choosing between the xh2s and 6700. I am currently using an xt3 and I moved to it from 6300, so is seems like I gotta go back to Sony🗿😅 I do very like Fuji, but now I understand that all those misfocus shots was not because me, but because of the Fuji's wasn't nailed it at all(even when the "green box" stays on a subject)
Didn't want to believe it. Tested on X-T5 and focused on hand instead of eye. Been using Fuji for 10 years, I know my camera settings, this is disappointing.
Thank you for your findings. I have owned an X-H2s after previously owning a Panasonic G9. With the G9 I enjoyed photographing bees on flowers in the summer, I often got nice pictures that were in focus. Last summer I tried it with my X-H2s and didn't get any bees in focus. I suspected that my X-H2s may have had a problem and contacted Fuji service. I felt like a fool who had no idea about cameras and how to use them, that's how rude and cheeky the Fuji technician was on the phone. I gave up and sold my X-H2s, as they confirmed that I was too stupid to use the X-H2s.
I now changed my entire system. I depend on my camera to do my reviews and the stupid thing won't autofocus. I do studio and tech channel reviews and only have 6 days out of 21 days to work on my videos on both my channels plus I work with an actor on another channel
You are absolutely right. Fujifilm broke autofocus in the H2s. I get the same autofocus errors on my copy, with different lenses. Thank you very much for trying to convey this information to the manufacturer and users.
I have a XT-5 and can confirm the issues. Has been that way since day 1. I can normally get ok shots but aperture has to be stopped up. I normally only take shots of still subjects so it doesn’t affect me as much but I admit that my old 2015 Sony RX100 V’s autofocus reliability was many times better than the XT-5.
As a Fuji shooter (X-T2,3,5) I think what you are doing is a good thing! Can't understand all the hate when the issue is clearly presented. Only through criticism, there can be improvement. I just really hope this will get some traction, forcing Fujifilm to deal with this issue.
That is the point but many people think I have bad intentions , I think all 5th gen fujifilm users should have the same attitude as me because those cameras are marketed as having "AI" autofocus tracking
PRICELESS! Your comments and those who continue to add their strong denials, remind of the famous lines in the film “A Few Good Men”. Tom Cruise: “I want the truth!”. Jack Nicholson: “You can’t handle the truth!”. I applaud your efforts to drive home the point with verified data. Perhaps if more people spread the word and watch these videos, this will capture Fuji’s attention and who will then deliver a camera that people will line up to purchase.
The dissapoiment I had when I tried the "MAJOR firmware AUTOFOCUS UPDATE" was so bad and that started those videos. I was planning to do a autofocus video on 5.10 because I still thought it was very bad (my friends tell me it does not have the "HAND detection") but this 6.0 was the cherry on top. The goal is to make a lot of noise and maybe it will be fixed some day , 1-2 years maybe haha
The problem is that those guys are part of the "access media." They won't. They are there to "review and sell" the products, with a big emphasis on the "SELL" part.
Almost missed a bird photo because of the XT-5 autofocus last weekend. The AI recognized the bird and was showing the green box on it, as if it was "properly focused" on it, but it was completely blurry (real focus was in the far background).
I experienced this with my X-S20. I was impressed at first with all the auto focus tech on my new camera! But when I checked the images most if them were not sharp! This was not the case with my other cameras which do not have all these new features, the XT-1 and XT-20. I mainly used single point focus on those. Now I only use single point focus on my X-S20 to get properly focused images. But for video shoots I think the AI assisted focusing works most of the time.
Thanks! You made my decision easy. I was still vacillating between the Sony a6700 and the Fujifilm X-H2. Now I don't hesitate. Fuji has a beautiful viewfinder, nice colors, but this is a complete disaster !!!
Yes it has a way better viewfinder and screen but usable on a6700 ,but If you need state of the art af go with sony. I picked a6700 because I can bake in luts in camera for fast projects. (Wish I could take pictures with the luts also)
Thanks to these videos I was able to hold back on updating my xh2s. I'm super happy my camera's firmware right now but man this update is all sorts of messed up!
this is definitely interesting. i have the X-T5 and i use it primarily for weddings. Autofocus has been a blast especially after the latest firmware. Eye focus has been bang / locked on. And I shoot on AF-C too. Not doubting you, but my Fujifilm works solidly (not sponsored by Fujifilm of course). However, I did set to release priority - focus. Not sure if it's the camera or settings issue. Hope it eventually turns out well for you Edvard and thank you for making this video.
Fuji tracking is good, the problem is when you take the photo the actual focus is somewhere else, it is not on the box that it showed. I have taken about 2000 photos since 6.0 update and many are out of focus, the ones that are OK are soft. I have very low number of photos in critical focus. Also, when you zoom in and check the focus of the image, the camera will sometimes tell you the focus is at a place that is completely blurry. I know the settings of the fuji system, I am not doing something wrong. I checked the settings over and over again.
Dude! Well, finally, at least someone showed and told the truth, and not paid advertising! I've been struggling with these cameras for years! I hope the head of Fujifilm will see this video and draw the appropriate conclusions. When will they start respecting their users?!
X-H2 user here and can confirm this happens. I still love the camera, and as I said on a previous video, I really don't want to use Sony as I find their cameras soulless, but this is a real issue Fujifilm. You may end up losing a lot of users if you can't fix this. As for the AF-S + eye tracking workaround - that's just an oxymoron, isn't it? OK, so you can detect the eye and track it, but if want an in-focus shot, I have to get the subject to stop for bit, take the shot, then allow them to continue?! If the subject isn't moving, I don't need eye detect as I can do that myself! Come on...
Dude, I also have an xh2-s and I just watched your video and I had to get out of bed to test the auto focus with eye detection and guess what? EXACTLY the same problem you demonstrated.... I have work to do and thank God I watched your video in time! I'll use my xt-4 (working normally) in the meantime. And to complete the joke, Fuji doesn't provide a rollback in the firmware, that is, whoever doesn't have another camera, get along!
Thanks ! I confirm that, since I bought it, I have experienced many problems with the AF-C on the x100vi ! I am not a pro, I do street Photography and I am used to use AF-C tracking, and not trying to do a super accurate eye focus, but a least I expect the face is on focus. I have had many shots out of focus, even when the green square of the tracking mode told me that everything was fine ! Yesterday, I turned off the Face Detection, and I noticed several improvements; almost all my tracking photos were in focus. Apparently, Face Detection was messing with the AF-C tracking focus.
I have the XT5 and don’t use continuous, just shoot in single auto focus without eye and face detection. I’m getting very good results. Some people might try custom settings, by switching to number two. This will keep the focus on track when something steps into the frame.
Hi Edvard, I’m a Fujifilm user. Before Fuji I had the Canon 5D mark iii and 5D mark iv. I know the autofocus and the eye tracking of Fuji camera isn’t good like Sony Camera, every person know that I think, but I noticed this problem only with the 16-55 F2.8 just a little bit. I resolve this problem in the autofocus settings (speed sensibility). I updated my xh2s three days ago and I did a wedding shoot the same day, for me this new 6.0 firmware work very good! I used the 16-55 all day and never change lens! I took a look of the photos and focus point was correct. I use Capture One because Lightroom decrease the quality of fuji raf files.
Thing is few years ago Nikon and Panasonic had crappy AF even worse than Fuji, but NOW they all have functional AF while Fuji still being stuck despite all the promises. WTF
@@IliasKoureas Don't do it ! Anything is better than fuji if you want good AF. I will make another video (more technical) about how the fuji af will never be as the competition because of the mount technology. That's the core issue.
@@edvard2942 damn.. a friend of mine confirmed the Fuji issues as well. And as a wedding photographer I want reliable af. Never missed a shot with Nikon (I mean at least not an important shot) so yeah... Thanks for saving from a possibly terrible decision
Thank you bro! I'm coming from Panasonic Lumix cameras and I must say that I love the image quality and look from FUJIFILM a lot better and I was thinking to switch. But didn't expect the autofocus to that bad. Thanks for being honest I'm subscribed. cheers
I have noticed this problem on the X-H2 and the X-T5. Hopefully Fujifilm will patch this problem soon. You are correct in my opinion, this is not acceptable in 2024 on such cameras.
HOPEFULLY FUJI FILM SEES THIS AND GETS THEIR SHIT TOGETHER. Fortunately, I don’t use AF much right now, but if it changes I know what I’m going to have to do.
This is great content! I want to see more reviews like this, especially A/B testing between companies. I love Fuji. I've used Fuji cameras for the past 7 years mainly for portraiture and sports. Autofocus works pretty well for me. No complaints. But I'm not a pro. I don't miss my rent if I miss my focus.
Thanks for investigating the autofocus issues in detail. There should be much more content of that type as feedback to the camera companies. So for anyone who is primarily interested in af Fuji is not the best choice. I started my photography in the film era and used many non af cameras. I also used Leica M cameras and managed to get sharp images even with my 50mm Summicron at f1.4. Would I prefer having a more capable autofocus on my X-T5? Yes. Is it a show stopper to me? No.
Thanks for this. I’ve missed so many shots with my xe3 that I put down to my own mistakes or the kids moving too fast. Not gonna upgrade to the xh2 unless this is fixed.
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I'm fujifilm user and I can confirm what You are telling in your movies. I'm now considering switching to Panasonic, maybe You could share Your opinions and same reliable tests on their full frame cameras in future videos?
I'm having similar issues on the XT5, Green box around the subject but it's out of focus in the pictures. I tried it out a lot yesterday with the latest firmware using animal detection and took photos of my dog running towards me. I adjusted the af-c settings to test a few different configurations and all the results were the same. Looking through the viewfinder the green box tracked the dog all the way until she was out of frame but only about 50% of the images were in focus. It seemed to be the further she was away the better. Once she got half way it looked like it was focusing just behind her. I was able to get better results when I had an XT3 using zone autofocus so I think I'll just stop using the subject detection modes and hopefully get a better keeper rate. Or if I can afford it, switch systems.
My advice is to use only single focus and without eye and face detection. Also use custom setting number two. If you need to move the camera around after focusing use the back button focus.
Fuji had to have messed something up with an update. I had the XH2s at launch and it was way better in AFC mode. With that being said, I did sometimes have that green box lie to me. But not to this extent.
Damn, I knew Fujifilm autofocus wasn't great but I didn't know it was THIS bad. This would be infuriating. This is the first time I've seen the Fujifilm autofocus actually being shown in real time. Very eye opening. Thank you.
I am new to photography and xt5 is my first and only camera, I never understood why a lot of my photos was out of focus, I was going insane, lost some really good photos. Now I understand why, time to sell it, thinking about getting a Sony camera or the Nikon ZF.
Thank you I had also this problem with X-h2s Sigma 18-50, but did not understand why. I am gonna test and compare my third party lenses with Fujifilm lenses.
With both Sigma and Fujifilm lenses I have the problem. I hope Fujifilm will fix this because the new tracking would be great if AF also would be reliable
I have tested on a X-H2 on video what you said about the focus on hands instead of the subject and (not) I'm surprised by not having any issue at all, my face where kept in focus all the time. If you require proof ask for it and I'll link my test. In case anyone wants to replicate what I'm relating my gear and setting where: X-H2 Firmware 4.0 Fujinon 16mm F1.4 WR firmware 1.01 aperture set on f1.4 AF-C mode Single point & Focus tracking area at +0.7 - 0 exposure and -1 - 1.7
Let me share my opinion: it's important not to fall for misleading information. While Fujifilm may not excel in terms of autofocus (AF), after using various camera brands, including Sony, I've found that the X-H2 actually has better AF performance than Sony's A7III and a little subpar compared to A7IV, which was considered reliable for professional work a few years back. While lenses play a crucial role, Fujifilm's frequent updates significantly enhance their cameras' performance in various aspects. They're not flawless, but dismissing a camera with an ~90% eye detect focus hit rate on AF-C and a ~60% hit while on burst mode as a mere toy seems unfair to the brand. I understand that video haunting instead of real non-stop focus accurate tracking is not formidable, but you are always trading something using a brand, none is perfect and leading your audience to think that fujifilm is nowhere but unprofesional equipment is a mere falacy. If you're seeking insights into Fujifilm's latest firmware, I'd suggest avoiding this particular video. Despite acknowledging that other brands offer superior AF solutions, Fujifilm's X-Trans V processor can handle nearly every professional task admirably.
@@RedDeivid "every professional task admirably" , ok , go film a person coming towards the camera (walking speed) , and after do a burst shooting in the same scenario, upload the files.
@@edvard2942 just in case, tell me if the burst need to be of a moving subject and I’ll try to give you a heads up on this this evening or tomorrow. Also admirable doesn’t mean perfect just in case we forgot english grammar and you are expecting perfection, as I said in my comment you still have a point, despite considering the video overdramatising.
Cool video. I've been holding off upgrading from the X-T3 because I don't need bigger files and the AF in the 5th gen camera's doesn't seem to be worth it. The X-T3 with face detect in continuous works fine (no issues with the hand that I've been able to recreate)...misses every now and then but for the most part does well for portraits (face detect is not ok for sports but continuous in spot or zone is just fine). I'm sure they will improve over time but not getting my money till they get to Sony/NIkon/Canon level.
I used XT3 4 years before the xh2s , Trust me, I feel I got scammed by fujifilm with this new camera. The "AI" thing really works (it sure detects the subjects) but it doesnt focus on what the "AI" detects , the autofocus system is the same as the XT3 , nothing is changed in my opinion. I use my XH2S exactly like my old XT3 , btw Image is exactly the same (From my experience 5% noisier on XH2s at -4 noise reduction)
I hope they will correct this. The cameras have good enough hardware in them, so better eye-AF should be posible with better software. I use the XH2 for graduation photos, so luckily, the subjects don't move a lot, and I can nail good focus. But I wouldn't mind Sony level AF, if I'm paying Sony level money...
By the way, I wanted to upgrade my system from a Pentax perspective. :) I just tested my Pentax K3ii (2016?) with live autofocus and viewfinder focus, and it's still better than what you've presented for Fuji. So, I could even stay with Pentax if the X-H2S is really that bad, LOL.
i have an xh2s, and did the update 6.0. i have only tried video autofocus touch to focus. works not as sony but useable most the time. i dont have this hand focusing in video. i tried it a few times and it stayed locked.
Thanks for these enlightening videos. I now feel foolish for investing so much in Fuji. However, I will swap systems if this isn't completely fixed within the next 2 months. Shameful.
I was deciding between the Sony a6700 and the Fujifilm X-T5. It was not even between the X-H2S because it's in a different price range, and if I were to invest $2,500, I would rather buy the Sony A7 Mark IV. So, I decided to stick with APS-C. From what I’ve seen here, even the Fuji X-H2S struggle with autofocus, so there’s no reason to invest in the X-T5, which all people say is worse than the X-H2S, right? I'm already buying the Sony a6700-case closed! Thanks to you, my struggles are over.
I bought my fuji camera 5 years ago knowing that the AF was bad. I thought... I mainly want it for product pictures on the studio (I use manual focus) and I am pretty sure they will fix the issue sooner than later. Well... seems customers are still not doing enough noise... I work in a product team and I know really well that companies do not address a single thing unless people really complain about it. I think everyone should be making videos about this crappy AF fujifilm has... As bigger the problem becomes for people on socials (and that is customers noise), as bigger the priority of this issue will become for their team. Go wild fuji clients, they need to address this...
As many people have said in the comments, you need to read the manual and know your camera better. I use the Fuji X-H2 to shoot events. I only take stills, no video. I've got the C1 dial set to Continuous AF + Tracking + No Subject Detection for general shots. When I want to shoot details and decorations, I use C2: Single AF + Single Point + No Subject Detection. This allows me to focus very accurately. . When taking close-ups of people's faces, I use C3: Single AF + Wide + Eye Detection. This gives me a focus rate of 70%. If there is more than 1 person, my Fuji will focus on the closest person. If I want to focus on the person further away, I use the joystick to select the other rectangle, but because the focus tends to go back to the closest face, I use a dedicated button to switch face detection off and back button focus & recompose. . For shots of people moving around the stage, I use C4: Continuous AF + Zone + No Subject Detection. But only when there's nothing between me and the subject. If there are heads from the audience or a microphone stand, the camera focuses on them. In these cases, I move to another area where there are no obstacles. Come on guys! It's not that complicated, is it? ;-)
I know this camera so well that I am 100% sure the AF tracking / eye is garbage . If you're doing what you're sayin in this comment you should try to become a pianist.
@@edvard2942 I should have added #sarcasm at the end of my post 😀 I feel personally attacked when I read comments saying that it's people's fault because they don't know the camera. As if the expected behaviour is to constantly tweak the camera's settings every time we want to take a picture. People who defend Fuji's AF either haven't tried other camera brands or haven't shot in challenging environments where there's only one chance to get the shot right. Apart from the AF, I like everything else about Fuji's cameras. That's why I'm sticking with it. And I hope the AF problems can be fixed one day.
In my personal experience for a lone time user, I feel like the problem is with "the power of processor" and "the focus ability with Fuji lens'. Sure, every new model is better than before, but out dated then other brands such as Sony by 5~10 years. (Tho, I don't dig Sony at all) The other issue with Fuji's focus is low light situations and white objects. No Focus, what so ever.
Autofocus C is quite complex on the Fujifilm system. I have not seen any complex setup on Sony A6300 except for video (to slow down the re-focus rate in case of obstacles encountered during filming) or to select eye focusing. But the results are solid. The camera lacks much other stuff (But it is a few years older, also.). The complexity of focus C on Fujifilm (X-T5 in my personal case), is a good thing for adjusting to particular needs, and I personally love it. However, I can understand people comparing a readily cooked focus system (that does what most expect) with a very polyvalent one that requires a better understanding of the tool being used. I understand most people never read the user manuals of their tools because they think they already know how it's supposed to work. Big mistake in my own opinion. That being said, I am no photo pro, so my use of the camera does not lead me to frustrate in any way, but it is also true that I seldom use focus C except for video. But I understand it requires to be adjusted to needs, and that means adjusting it for the different needs that evolve. A great adjustable focusing system is that continuous focus. I will need to adjust my focus C for my needs and test it like you did from a lower angle and with interference from the hand. I'm not saying it works well for everyone, I'm just saying maybe it is more complex than "good or not good". I do agree that at the price point it would be expected to be excellent and no less. I once complained to another camera maker: "If you can't guarantee that your panoramic feature works most of the time, leave it out and don't pretend your product has it in there". Update 2024-05-10: Tested with the intent of reproducing the problem. I was unable to fail. Setting of focus C was: tracking sensitivity 3, speed 1, zone auto. (In custom mode). Sorry, Fujifilm wins for me. Only issue was that due to my model's face being in the dark due to a baseball cap, her mouth was mistaken as an eye. But the mouth was always in focus as opposed to her hand. Good luck to you in fixing your issue with focus C.
@@tukor I'm soft on that one. We used to have face, then came eye(s). I think a critic is needed but should also be constructive. When I say "face was in the dark" I mean it. The camera not having a human brain cannot be expected to be excellent at identifying (at least in my understanding). If they got there, I'd start being scared of the future (even if it would make a photographer very happy). In Sony camera (I have a A6300) you can actually store pictures from someone's face so the camera will sort the "model's" face from others in a crowd. Of course, I never tried it, but it is available for use. Talk about advanced auto focus features...
I saw the false positives in the x-t 2 and 3 , I even had Fuji look at the x-t3 body, tried many different lenses. I loved the 16 mm f1.4. The last straw for me was not being able to actually get focus on a flower during a sunny non windy day. I have never touched one beautiful cameras but as far as my experience goes they are paperweights. They would have been better off making them purely manual focus cameras.
This is making me very sad. Furthermore I know if I was to sell of my X-H2, X-H2S and X100VI plus 18 lenses that I have, loosing 50% value, then the following week Fuji will fix the darn AF! So what can I do? Maybe just buy a single camera + lens combo from Sony or Canon or Nikon, and wait for Fuji-san to pull his finger out? Grrr...
Fuji will never fix it, they've been always behind. I've used Fuji since X-T1, X-T2 and X-T3 and they never really improved the auto focus and they tell us the problem is on the lens. But whatever lens you have, it will still won't have good auto focus. Canon and Nikon only released their mirrorless in 2019 yet they able to match Sony's performance. Why do you think Fuji hasn't able to do that?
@@JET-Photo But indefinite time if they don´t address the problem... green box on the eye- many, MOST youtube reviewers where happy about it saying how great the af is- showing the green box on the eye. Another youtuber who shoots photos in Fuji says yes- the green box is on the right place, on the human eye. But when you shoot photos you will see it doesn´t work. But that´s not a thing youtubers talk about... So edvard here shows videos which proof- a green box on the eye means NOTHING when you take a picture and the af doesn´t work...
@@talsostein1626 I know what he is saying. I owned the XH2s, XH2 and XT5. I know full well how they were before the latest update. It was off at times in the beginning, but has obviously gotten worse with each update. Fuji refuses to admit or address the problems. The XH2s was supposed to be the flagship sports and wildlife camera, and looked real good on paper. That's why I bought back into the system. Before firmware 2.0 it wasn't that bad and performed quite well shooting sports. When using LM lenses, the eye was almost always sharp as a tack. Now, it seems, it doesn't matter what lenses are being used. It's unfortunate, and it has cost them. But now that they are selling X100VI's like hotcakes so they will never address their AF issues.
All Fuji users we know our tracking autofocus is the worst compared to the other main brands Nikon, Canon, Sony, Panasonic, etc (but better than Leica tracking autofocus, nobody talks about that). But it is not so bad as we see in your video. The problem here is a bug in the new firmware that affects XH2 and XH2S. It will be solved by Fuji and we will return to a bad autofocus but not so bad.
It is a software bug that will be fixed for sure but the af yes , it will still be the slowest/worst in the industry now between canon sony nikon olympus
As a XH2S and XT5 user, I agree with your test. But most Fujifilm users know the AF sucks compared to Sony, Canon, Nikon and now Panasonic. Are you trying to have Fujifilm CEO to come out and admit their firmware sucks? You think they don’t know?
@@stratopause No, I am trying to spread the information and maybe they will make it better , in my opinion the camera is capable of focusing good but the software is broken
@@edvard2942 I’m sure they know there is a problem, whether they can fix it or not is another story. If they can build the AF as good as Sony, they should have done it in version 1.0. What they should do in the future is to license the AF technology from Sony since they are using Sony’s sensors anyway.
@@stratopause I am conteplating to make another video about the way lenses communicate with the camera, some noisy lenses you can hear them how many times per second they adjust, Especially in 40fps burst mode on xh2s, and with 425 points area it is really good, so potential is there , but in video for example the motor works like a broken morse code
@@edvard2942 thanks so much for the answer and for all the videos... i will never update my camera anymore until i see how the new update performs... in fact, i think this is the last time buying fuji. I was thinking about the XT6 or XH3S but no way... Fuji keeps me losing money and only giving me bad headaches... Thank your for your videos reporting AF Issues❤
Dpreview has mods having a meltdown and crying foul. Fanboys goanna fanboy. Your original video was perfect, your follow ups have cemented what you originally said and this slam dunks it. Sony AF is reliable and let's you focus ( pun intended ) on getting your composition. Like you said it's 2024, if someone is happy to pay a premium price for trashy AF, more power to them but don't shoot the messenger. You are saving those who are considering getting into the system a major headache, and iallowing them to decide if, the AF is going to meet their expectations based on all the hype.
You’re not even joking lol I had my a7iv sold and was going to pick an hx2 up tomorrow glad I came across this mans channel saved me a lot of disappointment
The eye autofocus is bad especially moving subjects .. Sony a7III eye autofocus is by far more accurate. I also the algorithm when shooting low angles eye focus is ferociously bad.
Found a Fuji Bug: I trying some settings and found a real Fuji bug! When I press fast the shutter button the camera release immediately without focussing at all. What? Ok...then I changed AF-C release/focus priority to focus and.... same behavior...what?!?...I switch to AF-S and try again to press the button direct full...camera shot without any focusing. What's going on? It should wait till focus is confirmed but it didn't. Then I switched AF+MF from "on" to "off" and now the camera focus first and release not before focus is correct. Wtf...Fuji. That costs me 300 Fotos Out of focus on my son's school end dance party.
exactly , I refused to tell the lenses because all the fujifilm community is like "You need the latest lenses" and I was sick of that because I was about to buy a very expensive lens but after I tested it was exactly the same performance as almost any lens I put oh the camera.
@@edvard2942doesn't change the fact that you refuse to tell what lens for some strange reason?!!. is it stubbornness or are you insecure about the particular lens??
@@Champsreef303 he did tell in the end of the video, it's Viltrox 33mm 1.4 on both Fuji and Sony. Yeah it's chinese lens but why is it working so well on the Sony? why is it so bad on Fuji? because it's the camera, not the lens.
@@Champsreef303 you want the lens? here is a guy testing the XT5 with a linear motor fuji lens and still having the same issue. ua-cam.com/video/DjfunuhjGYM/v-deo.html
Xh2s is their bigest mistake ever. 2500 usd camera with stacked sensor and garbage af. This is their last xh model. They will launch xt50 with film simulation physical dial and it tells a lot. They make cameras with amazing colors, vintage shooting experience, but fast moving subject is unachievable science for them. Great video and final comparison with sony is just enough for conclusion.
I just sold my X-H2S because i want to photograph a dog/cat/bird coming at me. The Fuji stacked sensor will give you more OOF photos than ever before, lol. Still subjects it 99% of the time was great focus. Video with exposure jumps for no reason could also be annoying. Yeah i got tired of waiting for the promised AF improvements. Day 2 with a Canon R6II, not knowing how to use it, and im hitting 99% of my action shots. With their cheapest lenses!
I went that route after renting the X-H2S with LM lenses. So far happy with the R6ii AF, color, and picture quality. Taking sports pictures has been very good with R6ii eye AF. The lens weight, $, and new UI I could do without.
Same story here. I loved Fuji but couldn't wait more. The worst was when my son had a birthday, he was standing still in front of birthday cake with fired candles and not a single shot was in focus. I didn't use eye af and fired a burst of photos. Don't know how it happened. Usually with burst at least couple were in focus but not during this particular time. First day with Canon R8 with their not so great lens - RF 35 f1.8, my kids running at full speed and basically every shot is in focus. Don't have to spray and pray anymore like I did all the time with Fuji. I can finally use modern eye af and compose freely. Two different worlds.
Same here. I'm a dog photographer and I love the Fujifilm as a system, but I was tired of waiting for improvements. There were always images that were slightly blurry or the autofocus focused on the nose even though the camera indicated that the eye was in focus. In the Fuji groups you always read that you have to set 10 things (turn on burst, turn off AF-MF, etc.) I set my R6II to AF-C, Eye-AF on and the images are in focus and also with the "cheap" Viltrox 85mm I always have sharp photos. It's so sad because the cameras are simply beautiful, but I have the feeling that Fuji is always taking two steps forward and one step back. Let's see if Fuji can finally get the problem under control. I really hope so.
I got caught reading all this from dpreview, and tried to make sense of what the issue was. Thanks for highlighting this. If I understand correctly - you tell me if I got this- face detect does work well except if you have a partially covered face. But I see in this video it can also happen if you have an angle where you have things closer to the camera. I think for my street work this would still work if face detect is still reliable if the face is perpendicular to the lens. But what's really weird and I can't understand people defending how the camera behaves, is that if the camera is able to recognize the eye, it should really be able to focus on the eye. I would think this is a bug. It's weird. The hard job is to recognize the eye I would think- then you can direct the camera PDAF area to focus on the eye area. It's bizarre. I am watching this because I am seriously considering getting the upcoming X-T50, and want the ability to focus with face detect with C-AF as an option. I would say though, you would have made a whole series on Olympus/OM Systems if you were using them to try to focus :-). The OM-1 MKII may finally be there, but I want to see more independent reviews of it.
@@edvard2942 I had an X-T5 for three weeks, but that was before 2 of the last AF upgrades they did (I think I got it past the very first AF upgrade they did). My experience with it was that the AF / response definitively had a nice notable jump from X-E4 class, and the face-eye detect was def. improved but while it did much less jumping I still noticed some of it. I guess if the subjects are somewhat close it should still work as long as the face plane is mainly perpendicular to the camera? Thanks for mentioning this. I know Sony is the king here.
I have been a Nikon shooter since 1990. My 1st DSLR was a Nikon D200 and now I shoot professionally w a pair of Z6's, a Z7 and 2 D810's. 2 Years ago I bought my 1st Fuji mirrorless, a used X-T3 and I really enjoyed using it so I then bought an X-H1. Now I have a slew of X-mount glass and I have taken both cameras on portrait shoots as I love they way the Fuji's render skin tones. I also love the tactile feel of the Fujis and like I said they are fun to shoot especially when I am grabbing a camera just for fun, family, holidays or street shots. Unfortunately they don't quite compare to the Nikon's that I own when it comes to autofocus. I have considered the X-H2 and X-H2s as replacements for my X-T3's and X-H1's (even swap the X-H2 for the Z7) but I do not have enough faith in what I am seeing, reading and hearing when it comes to their autofocus especially for the price... Pity
Tbf a similar experience can be had on the R5. IMO the manufacturers need to implement a fail safe system that double checks focus separately. Regardless of how well their AF system performs. With the “AI” algorithms now, this should be even easier to do than ever. IMO users would rather the camera indicate the need to retake the shot or double check settings than to walk away thinking they nailed it. The camera screens are too small, EVFs aren’t of sufficient resolution, and add that you can do bursts, there aren’t easy ways to check images. It’s not dissimilar to high res mode. Most users IMO will prefer the camera can compile in camera so you can check than to go home and compile on their computer only to realise that it fails because of some issues
That’s why I could not 100% believe what “paid” youtuber bias review again coz I have experienced the same problem in Fujifilm X-T3 and cannot hold me to sell all of my fujifilm system and switch to Sony Alpha system!
The AF improvements for Fuji cameras in the past few years have been sluggish. I still struggle to get crisp shots for my dogs running around. I switched to Nikon Zf and its 3D tracking works perfectly. Sorry Fuji.
Hi friend, I had the same problem as you, I updated my Fuji XS20 and it doesn't focus in AF-C, only in AF-S, and I noticed that my photos are also not in 100% focus as they were before. I can still use it for photos, but for video my camera is unusable.
Hmm, I just tested it on my X-S20, latest firmware. Like in the video: Hands near my eyes, lowe angle etc. Works fine, no problems (AF-C, tracking, eye-AF). Eyes are always in focus. My X-T5 is for repair so I cannot check it.
So I just tested this on my XT4 and I can cover almost my entire face box with my hand and it never refocused on my hand. Stayed locked on my face with white boxes on eye (I guess the XT4 does have eye AF in video). Very strange that the XH2S focus is worse than XT4, but that sounds about like Fuji. Haha
Though there is another guy woo78 that has video up and tracking looks to be working great. I have no idea what he is saying and what settings he using but the camera looks to be doing a good job so go figure and he has a good wiggle around and doesn’t seem to be pulsing around much if at all. Maybe the update isn’t very reliable and cause glitches with some serial number version? Maybe?
I'm actually considering selling mine and move on to a Sony, although I keep hearing people complain about Sony's unexciting colors. And, for some reason, I do like shooting with a Fuji. I don't know what to do. I had an X-T4 and started with a Panasonic Gh4 (great colors). I guess the endgame is moving to full frame? lol.
Sony colors are very unexiting yes, for videos I fixed my sony with LUTS , for pictures have to edit them . Full frame or apsc sony, same colors. If you dont shoot animals and dont need subject detection XT4 is basically xh2s without "AI" wich doesnt work like it should anyway and more framerates.
Hi Edvard, Great video as always. I was wondering if it is possible to get any acceptable results using some mode, say face detect or pre selected area or something? Especially in the last test where you showed comparison between 2 cameras. The camera seems to be capable of focusing as well as detecting things just not both at same time, which is honestly extremely weird.
@@edvard2942 The autofocus system can accurately tell the lens to switch between far away subject to near subject (meters apart and very fast) when using single point or group of points. And subject detection clearly identifies the eye (Machine learning lookup). But the algorithm does not trust the subject detection it seems. I've also seen samples where lens is doing smooth focus pulls (33mm linear one). but soon as you ask the camera to detect something it starts stepping and pulsing. I highly doubt if there is some system limitation, but its just a speculative theory till you see the code. This also feels evident from the test you did in the first video, green box performed much better than the subject detection.
AF-S also makes a lot of mistakes. When you take photos quick, and your model is moving... (that's what people do, they move), it sometimes finds the eye, sometimes doesn't. And even if it locks on the eye, best case scenario is that the eye lashes will be sharp.... or the face :D but never the iris.
Hi, Edvard I saw all your videos and you are really doing great job for raising concerns of fuji Xh2s users. I also own Xh2s and tried same Eye detection and tracking tests on my camera after updating to version 6 firmware and Its working well, as a videographer I only tested it in videos and Face/eye detection really works great. My camera came with version 5 firmware out of the box, So I think this issue is with the early units of Xh2s. Just one question have you set your camera performance to Boost? One more thing I'm not a fuji fanboy before xh2s i had Sony A6300.
I noticed a funky bug on my XH2S. When you are in tracking mode, a green box follow (roughly) your target. But, if you reverse the screen (like on a vloging setup) the green box tracking movement on the screen is reversed. The footage is mirrored like when you use a webcam but the green box is not, and move in the opposite direction of your target. How can I report this to Fuji ? By the way I did some tests like your "hand" test, and my XH2S behave exactly like yours.
I had an X-T5 that I sold for this exact reason. Even when using AF-S to focus and recompose I got a staggering number of missed shots despite completely still subjects. Landscape shots where everything was blurry for example like it focused past infinity. A shot of a fire hydrant 5 feet in front of me, but the camera focused 1 foot in front of it despite the focus point being dead center on it. I loved the look and feel of the camera, images were good when they hit, but I feel like the hit rate was probably only 70% at best.
The fact that the number of AF points is reduced in eye detection mode vs small box as well as the fact that AF-S works heavily indicates to me that the processor isn't up to the task.
It's communication problem, it's eye detection only. Detecting eyes not focusing. 😅 There might be AI also, because camera is focusing what it thinks necessary, but for photographer it is detecting and showing where is eyes located. 😅
Hi Edvard, I watched yesterday a video using setting for autofocus “one eye” with tracking speed +5 and the other +4. It worked fine , are you trying these settings and get the same results. Thanks
Oh please try a Panasonic S5II ! I think we can trust you. All the reviews that said Fuji AF was great are the same who says Panasonic new AF is great. So i don't trust them. I know for experience that Sony and Canon are the best AF in market. And i can't try Panasonic because Panasonic left my country and i only can import buying outside the country.
I am sure panasonic has great AF, I've seen videos of it and the core system seems just like a canon/sony, maybe their algorithm is not 100% there but the fuji issues are in the core system (It has an very old style contrast detection behaviour,communication between camera-lens is old technology, that's why af steps and aperture steps) But I will try do get my hand on a S5II to test it. Also Im gonna do one(last) video about fujifilm af , and explain with technical details why it will not ever be good on the XF mount. Thanks
@@amermeleitor Panny boy is actually good. I would put them in 4th place with Sony, Canon and Nikon. It is night and day difference between the S5 and S5ii
Thanks man! Im using XT4 and wanted to upgrade to XH2s, but not anymore 😅 XT4 eye AF is also unusable I only use single point or zone, Af-C is joke. I have too many Fuji lenses to switch systems now, but dont know really... You can find A7iv for the price of H2s and theres no comparison between them...
I had an XT3 before, the image is exactly the same , actually xh2s its a little bit noisier but barely noticeable, You will get new resolutions and framerates but in terms of autofocus besides the "AI" wich is unreliable the af its exactly the same in terms of hunting and transition from close to far. I bought the xh2s for the af and it was a big dissapoitment for me. Keep your xt4 , its 90% same as xh2s.
The most serious pro-Fujifilm video promoters have always said that Fujifilm's autofocus is not yet at the highest level, but is chasing other brands. Although this problem is more marginal in photography, it becomes more noticeable in (photo-)cameras used for video. Once the defect is known, it can be managed and remedied with other stratagems, but that is another matter.
I used this camera in video mostly , it loses eye focus on a static subject, I dont have expectations to be like a sony or canon , yes its slower but to lose a stativ subject is unacceptable, I showed the photo side of things more because that is the root of the issues in my opinion.
@@edvard2942 @maliaohiker3617 I have the same issue with my X-H2 I do photography only. And it gets way worse when I'm doing a studio shoot which is even crazier because even when I'm at f8-f11 I still get photos that are COMPLETELY blurry. I've had quite a few embarrassing moments with clients trying to get some photos in focus and people getting nervous about me having a broken camera. I shoot a lot of movement and film set stills and bts photography so I really need that C mode to work.
fujifilm should pay me money for buying their cameras, and then selling them to go back to canon as I lost money. Or maybe the UA-cam reviewers should pay me compensation for this. I am never moving away from my Canon gear ever...ever!!
Fujifilm is well known with there color and vintage experience, and now getting more and more popular with its terrible auto focus performance. When it comes to Sony, with your comparison in the end of your video I think even my small but mighty ZVE10 can catch up the eye focus test exactly the same. Yeah. I've never regret switching from Fuji to Sony
Firmware 7.0 got released, Fixes "Hand detection"
Part 1 : ua-cam.com/video/hMFGauAfJOs/v-deo.html
Old videos about fujifilm autofocus issues :
Jared z - Autofocus problems XT5 XH2 video - ua-cam.com/video/tnaKQDMM4lk/v-deo.htmlsi=TuPcj_70aWAnxx_3
Eddy Summers - XH2s autofocus video - ua-cam.com/video/-K3j6djuetg/v-deo.htmlsi=h-fzJiMHfVGvPwKq
Tom Wright - XH2S autofocus issues - ua-cam.com/video/v17yNkLqtMQ/v-deo.htmlsi=U8k34xuaxBCoB01U
* ua-cam.com/video/gaYjAO4LhlI/v-deo.htmlsi=tdclatLi_ecUOSO4 One more XH2s user tested it and got the same results, My camera wasn't "defective"
* ua-cam.com/video/losiVoKUZLI/v-deo.html XS20 fw 1.11 vs xh2s 6.0 23mm f2
* ua-cam.com/video/EyGymn2aDqU/v-deo.htmlsi=n0KdROIbW32Dmv4Y I uploaded a short update on this channel to show you that I am right about false positive focus
Hi Edvard, I had last Party Shooting in AF_C with X-H2 80% out of focus. Then I changed in Menu AF/MF page 3 and 2nd Point Release/Focus Priority on AF-C to fucus instead release...now the camera hits mich more in focus even with 4.0 FW. You should give it a try.
PS: the Sony A6700 is light years ahead with fucus except in real low light.
Thx for sharing
I performed the test on my X-H2S, and your findings are 100% correct. I am a Fujifilm Camera User. I have the X-T5, X-Pro3, X-H2S, GFX50SII, and GFX50R. I've owned and used every camera brand except for Nikon and Hasselblad. Fujifilm's eye detection Auto-Focus System has never been reliable, so I never used it for my commercial work. There is a workaround in which you can do the same test, and if you are using Wide Tracking, whatever you put your autofocus on will stick to it and keep that part in focus. The fix should be easy with a firmware update. When you use Face or Eye Detection, they must ensure that it takes priority, like when you set your auto-focus on an item you track. Good work!
ua-cam.com/video/nt5WAP34qGE/v-deo.html in this the autofocus is working very well, please watch this and tell me where is the problem coming, i am thinking to buy this camera. Thanks
I'm glad you voiced my concerns; hardly anyone else is discussing this issue. I also feel that Fujifilm made things worse this time with the 6.0 version firmware update for the X-H2s. Issues that didn't exist in the previous version are now present in this one. I've been using the X-H2s for over a year now, and I really love this camera. Whether it's the colors or F-Log2, for someone like me who's an amateur hybrid shooter, I feel this camera strikes a great balance. However, I'm really disappointed with this firmware update. The previous update fixed a lot of exposure stepping issues, allowing me to confidently adjust focal lengths while recording my kids skating, with most exposures jumping around within 0.3EV, which was acceptable. But this time, the autofocus is really messed up. I still can't understand what exactly happened to the whole AF-C! I've been a long-time user of Fujifilm cameras, starting from the X-T1, X-T2, X-T3, all the way to the X-H2s, but this update has really upset me. I hope Fujifilm listens to everyone's feedback and fixes these issues as soon as possible.
Uggh yeah I've been complaining about the autofocus issues since even before the latest firmware update (I have an XH2S). I do wildlife and with bird/animal tracking, the box will say it's focused on the subject.. but when I bring it into Lightroom, I'll see that it's actually focused just in front or behind it. So the branch beside it for instance would be tack sharp but the subject would be soft. I crossed my fingers that the latest update would resolve these issues but sadly no :( and this is with the XH2S + 150-600mm lens which is supposed to be a killer combo. I find myself having to do 3-4 bursts on a relatively stationary subject with the hopes of having even a couple of acceptably sharp images (thank goodness for Topaz Photo).
I still remember my Canon 7D producing super sharp and properly focused shots.
Definitely making me rethink things... That last comparison vs the Sony really puts things into perspective :/ lol
Thanks for the video. Obvious you're not fanboying over one manufacturer or another - just providing facts from your real world tests.
Im not a fanboy of anything , I actually bought a sony a7s3 before xh2s and returned it because I think it was an overrated camera,the 12800iso looks like plastic and between 3000-10000 iso is garbage. Colors yach , EVF had a green tint when max brighness, screen is trash for a camera that expensive, my XT3 had a better screen than that.(I wanted to make a video about that too but I retuned it) But with a6700 for video I use luts and I am really close to fuji as a look. And it is a very cheap camera. I dont mind the screen or evf and quirks for the price.
@@edvard2942 Is nice to hear that, cause right now I'm choosing between the xh2s and 6700. I am currently using an xt3 and I moved to it from 6300, so is seems like I gotta go back to Sony🗿😅 I do very like Fuji, but now I understand that all those misfocus shots was not because me, but because of the Fuji's wasn't nailed it at all(even when the "green box" stays on a subject)
Didn't want to believe it. Tested on X-T5 and focused on hand instead of eye.
Been using Fuji for 10 years, I know my camera settings, this is disappointing.
So maybe its a “feature” on the latests fujifilm focus algorithms
The green box indicating the eye is on focus when it is not is scandalous.
Thank you for your findings. I have owned an X-H2s after previously owning a Panasonic G9.
With the G9 I enjoyed photographing bees on flowers in the summer, I often got nice pictures that were in focus. Last summer I tried it with my X-H2s and didn't get any bees in focus. I suspected that my X-H2s may have had a problem and contacted Fuji service.
I felt like a fool who had no idea about cameras and how to use them, that's how rude and cheeky the Fuji technician was on the phone.
I gave up and sold my X-H2s, as they confirmed that I was too stupid to use the X-H2s.
Hey Fuji, fix this! I have no problem to change my entire system if this problem will not get fixed.
Me too!
I now changed my entire system. I depend on my camera to do my reviews and the stupid thing won't autofocus. I do studio and tech channel reviews and only have 6 days out of 21 days to work on my videos on both my channels plus I work with an actor on another channel
You are absolutely right. Fujifilm broke autofocus in the H2s. I get the same autofocus errors on my copy, with different lenses. Thank you very much for trying to convey this information to the manufacturer and users.
I have a XT-5 and can confirm the issues. Has been that way since day 1. I can normally get ok shots but aperture has to be stopped up. I normally only take shots of still subjects so it doesn’t affect me as much but I admit that my old 2015 Sony RX100 V’s autofocus reliability was many times better than the XT-5.
Is Fuji know that it's a emergency to patch this firmware ? The weeding season is tomorrow.
you said weeding season?.... I am coming!!
I've seen a facebook post when someone send an email to fuji and they replied that they are not aware of any issues HAHAH
@@edvard2942 HAHAHAHAHAHA
That is strange. Fuji needs to address this issue.
They simply lack the ability to fix it. Otherwise, they would have fixed autofocus issues long time ago.
As a Fuji shooter (X-T2,3,5) I think what you are doing is a good thing! Can't understand all the hate when the issue is clearly presented. Only through criticism, there can be improvement. I just really hope this will get some traction, forcing Fujifilm to deal with this issue.
That is the point but many people think I have bad intentions , I think all 5th gen fujifilm users should have the same attitude as me because those cameras are marketed as having "AI" autofocus tracking
PRICELESS! Your comments and those who continue to add their strong denials, remind of the famous lines in the film “A Few Good Men”. Tom Cruise: “I want the truth!”. Jack Nicholson: “You can’t handle the truth!”. I applaud your efforts to drive home the point with verified data. Perhaps if more people spread the word and watch these videos, this will capture Fuji’s attention and who will then deliver a camera that people will line up to purchase.
The dissapoiment I had when I tried the "MAJOR firmware AUTOFOCUS UPDATE" was so bad and that started those videos. I was planning to do a autofocus video on 5.10 because I still thought it was very bad (my friends tell me it does not have the "HAND detection") but this 6.0 was the cherry on top. The goal is to make a lot of noise and maybe it will be fixed some day , 1-2 years maybe haha
@@edvard2942 pal2tech music in the end is just LMFAO
@@snappy8k 😂 hidden pun , but it is a royalty free song 🤷♂️
@@edvard2942 which song is that? can't get it out of my head
Man you are so right. I kept wondering why it never seemed as good as expected. Thank you!
I think this should be brought up to petapixel
The problem is that those guys are part of the "access media." They won't. They are there to "review and sell" the products, with a big emphasis on the
"SELL" part.
Almost missed a bird photo because of the XT-5 autofocus last weekend. The AI recognized the bird and was showing the green box on it, as if it was "properly focused" on it, but it was completely blurry (real focus was in the far background).
I experienced this with my X-S20. I was impressed at first with all the auto focus tech on my new camera! But when I checked the images most if them were not sharp! This was not the case with my other cameras which do not have all these new features, the XT-1 and XT-20. I mainly used single point focus on those. Now I only use single point focus on my X-S20 to get properly focused images.
But for video shoots I think the AI assisted focusing works most of the time.
Brilliant. What I have sadly experienced for too long now. I hope this goes viral and Fuji wake the f### up!
Thanks! You made my decision easy. I was still vacillating between the Sony a6700 and the Fujifilm X-H2. Now I don't hesitate. Fuji has a beautiful viewfinder, nice colors, but this is a complete disaster !!!
Yes it has a way better viewfinder and screen but usable on a6700 ,but If you need state of the art af go with sony. I picked a6700 because I can bake in luts in camera for fast projects. (Wish I could take pictures with the luts also)
Thanks to these videos I was able to hold back on updating my xh2s. I'm super happy my camera's firmware right now but man this update is all sorts of messed up!
this is definitely interesting. i have the X-T5 and i use it primarily for weddings. Autofocus has been a blast especially after the latest firmware. Eye focus has been bang / locked on. And I shoot on AF-C too. Not doubting you, but my Fujifilm works solidly (not sponsored by Fujifilm of course). However, I did set to release priority - focus. Not sure if it's the camera or settings issue.
Hope it eventually turns out well for you Edvard and thank you for making this video.
Fuji tracking is good, the problem is when you take the photo the actual focus is somewhere else, it is not on the box that it showed. I have taken about 2000 photos since 6.0 update and many are out of focus, the ones that are OK are soft. I have very low number of photos in critical focus. Also, when you zoom in and check the focus of the image, the camera will sometimes tell you the focus is at a place that is completely blurry. I know the settings of the fuji system, I am not doing something wrong. I checked the settings over and over again.
Dude! Well, finally, at least someone showed and told the truth, and not paid advertising! I've been struggling with these cameras for years!
I hope the head of Fujifilm will see this video and draw the appropriate conclusions. When will they start respecting their users?!
X-H2 user here and can confirm this happens. I still love the camera, and as I said on a previous video, I really don't want to use Sony as I find their cameras soulless, but this is a real issue Fujifilm. You may end up losing a lot of users if you can't fix this.
As for the AF-S + eye tracking workaround - that's just an oxymoron, isn't it? OK, so you can detect the eye and track it, but if want an in-focus shot, I have to get the subject to stop for bit, take the shot, then allow them to continue?! If the subject isn't moving, I don't need eye detect as I can do that myself! Come on...
Dude, I also have an xh2-s and I just watched your video and I had to get out of bed to test the auto focus with eye detection and guess what? EXACTLY the same problem you demonstrated.... I have work to do and thank God I watched your video in time!
I'll use my xt-4 (working normally) in the meantime.
And to complete the joke, Fuji doesn't provide a rollback in the firmware, that is, whoever doesn't have another camera, get along!
Thanks ! I confirm that, since I bought it, I have experienced many problems with the AF-C on the x100vi ! I am not a pro, I do street Photography and I am used to use AF-C tracking, and not trying to do a super accurate eye focus, but a least I expect the face is on focus. I have had many shots out of focus, even when the green square of the tracking mode told me that everything was fine ! Yesterday, I turned off the Face Detection, and I noticed several improvements; almost all my tracking photos were in focus. Apparently, Face Detection was messing with the AF-C tracking focus.
I have the XT5 and don’t use continuous, just shoot in single auto focus without eye and face detection. I’m getting very good results. Some people might try custom settings, by switching to number two. This will keep the focus on track when something steps into the frame.
Hi Edvard,
I’m a Fujifilm user. Before Fuji I had the Canon 5D mark iii and 5D mark iv. I know the autofocus and the eye tracking of Fuji camera isn’t good like Sony Camera, every person know that I think, but I noticed this problem only with the 16-55 F2.8 just a little bit. I resolve this problem in the autofocus settings (speed sensibility). I updated my xh2s three days ago and I did a wedding shoot the same day, for me this new 6.0 firmware work very good! I used the 16-55 all day and never change lens! I took a look of the photos and focus point was correct. I use Capture One because Lightroom decrease the quality of fuji raf files.
Thing is few years ago Nikon and Panasonic had crappy AF even worse than Fuji, but NOW they all have functional AF while Fuji still being stuck despite all the promises. WTF
exactly
Yeah it's embarrassing
My Nikon zfc laughs at this performance.. and to think that I was thinking jumping to Fuji ... Just WOW 😳
@@IliasKoureas Don't do it ! Anything is better than fuji if you want good AF. I will make another video (more technical) about how the fuji af will never be as the competition because of the mount technology. That's the core issue.
@@edvard2942 damn.. a friend of mine confirmed the Fuji issues as well. And as a wedding photographer I want reliable af. Never missed a shot with Nikon (I mean at least not an important shot) so yeah... Thanks for saving from a possibly terrible decision
Thank you bro! I'm coming from Panasonic Lumix cameras and I must say that I love the image quality and look from FUJIFILM a lot better and I was thinking to switch. But didn't expect the autofocus to that bad. Thanks for being honest I'm subscribed. cheers
I have noticed this problem on the X-H2 and the X-T5. Hopefully Fujifilm will patch this problem soon. You are correct in my opinion, this is not acceptable in 2024 on such cameras.
HOPEFULLY FUJI FILM SEES THIS AND GETS THEIR SHIT TOGETHER. Fortunately, I don’t use AF much right now, but if it changes I know what I’m going to have to do.
This is great content! I want to see more reviews like this, especially A/B testing between companies.
I love Fuji. I've used Fuji cameras for the past 7 years mainly for portraiture and sports. Autofocus works pretty well for me. No complaints. But I'm not a pro. I don't miss my rent if I miss my focus.
The test at the end is all you need to know. The one on the left shows how autofocus should work in 2024, and the other one is just broken or bad.
Oh boy i found a new favorite channel 😂
haha😂 thanks
Thanks for investigating the autofocus issues in detail. There should be much more content of that type as feedback to the camera companies. So for anyone who is primarily interested in af Fuji is not the best choice. I started my photography in the film era and used many non af cameras. I also used Leica M cameras and managed to get sharp images even with my 50mm Summicron at f1.4. Would I prefer having a more capable autofocus on my X-T5? Yes. Is it a show stopper to me? No.
Thanks for this. I’ve missed so many shots with my xe3 that I put down to my own mistakes or the kids moving too fast. Not gonna upgrade to the xh2 unless this is fixed.
I'm fujifilm user and I can confirm what You are telling in your movies.
I'm now considering switching to Panasonic, maybe You could share Your opinions and same reliable tests on their full frame cameras in future videos?
If I can get my hand on one sure I'll do some tests
@@edvard2942 thanks in advance.
I'm having similar issues on the XT5, Green box around the subject but it's out of focus in the pictures. I tried it out a lot yesterday with the latest firmware using animal detection and took photos of my dog running towards me. I adjusted the af-c settings to test a few different configurations and all the results were the same. Looking through the viewfinder the green box tracked the dog all the way until she was out of frame but only about 50% of the images were in focus. It seemed to be the further she was away the better. Once she got half way it looked like it was focusing just behind her. I was able to get better results when I had an XT3 using zone autofocus so I think I'll just stop using the subject detection modes and hopefully get a better keeper rate. Or if I can afford it, switch systems.
If it’s further away it is not a hard situation for the camera to focus . The af in this new firmware are bad
My advice is to use only single focus and without eye and face detection. Also use custom setting number two. If you need to move the camera around after focusing use the back button focus.
Fuji had to have messed something up with an update. I had the XH2s at launch and it was way better in AFC mode. With that being said, I did sometimes have that green box lie to me. But not to this extent.
Thank you bro for raising this problem
Damn, I knew Fujifilm autofocus wasn't great but I didn't know it was THIS bad. This would be infuriating. This is the first time I've seen the Fujifilm autofocus actually being shown in real time. Very eye opening. Thank you.
I am new to photography and xt5 is my first and only camera, I never understood why a lot of my photos was out of focus, I was going insane, lost some really good photos. Now I understand why, time to sell it, thinking about getting a Sony camera or the Nikon ZF.
Thank you I had also this problem with X-h2s Sigma 18-50, but did not understand why. I am gonna test and compare my third party lenses with Fujifilm lenses.
With both Sigma and Fujifilm lenses I have the problem.
I hope Fujifilm will fix this because the new tracking would be great if AF also would be reliable
Wanted to buy a XS20 or XT-50 for Family Photos also for playing Kids. After your Videos I Go with Sony A7C2. Any Lens Suggestion?
I have tested on a X-H2 on video what you said about the focus on hands instead of the subject and (not) I'm surprised by not having any issue at all, my face where kept in focus all the time.
If you require proof ask for it and I'll link my test.
In case anyone wants to replicate what I'm relating my gear and setting where:
X-H2 Firmware 4.0
Fujinon 16mm F1.4 WR firmware 1.01 aperture set on f1.4
AF-C mode
Single point & Focus tracking area
at +0.7 - 0 exposure and -1 - 1.7
Let me share my opinion: it's important not to fall for misleading information. While Fujifilm may not excel in terms of autofocus (AF), after using various camera brands, including Sony, I've found that the X-H2 actually has better AF performance than Sony's A7III and a little subpar compared to A7IV, which was considered reliable for professional work a few years back.
While lenses play a crucial role, Fujifilm's frequent updates significantly enhance their cameras' performance in various aspects. They're not flawless, but dismissing a camera with an ~90% eye detect focus hit rate on AF-C and a ~60% hit while on burst mode as a mere toy seems unfair to the brand. I understand that video haunting instead of real non-stop focus accurate tracking is not formidable, but you are always trading something using a brand, none is perfect and leading your audience to think that fujifilm is nowhere but unprofesional equipment is a mere falacy.
If you're seeking insights into Fujifilm's latest firmware, I'd suggest avoiding this particular video. Despite acknowledging that other brands offer superior AF solutions, Fujifilm's X-Trans V processor can handle nearly every professional task admirably.
Would love to see you video uploaded to YT bro.
@@RedDeivid "every professional task admirably" , ok , go film a person coming towards the camera (walking speed) , and after do a burst shooting in the same scenario, upload the files.
@@edvard2942 just in case, tell me if the burst need to be of a moving subject and I’ll try to give you a heads up on this this evening or tomorrow.
Also admirable doesn’t mean perfect just in case we forgot english grammar and you are expecting perfection, as I said in my comment you still have a point, despite considering the video overdramatising.
Thank you for your honesty
Cool video. I've been holding off upgrading from the X-T3 because I don't need bigger files and the AF in the 5th gen camera's doesn't seem to be worth it. The X-T3 with face detect in continuous works fine (no issues with the hand that I've been able to recreate)...misses every now and then but for the most part does well for portraits (face detect is not ok for sports but continuous in spot or zone is just fine). I'm sure they will improve over time but not getting my money till they get to Sony/NIkon/Canon level.
I used XT3 4 years before the xh2s , Trust me, I feel I got scammed by fujifilm with this new camera. The "AI" thing really works (it sure detects the subjects) but it doesnt focus on what the "AI" detects , the autofocus system is the same as the XT3 , nothing is changed in my opinion. I use my XH2S exactly like my old XT3 , btw Image is exactly the same (From my experience 5% noisier on XH2s at -4 noise reduction)
I hope they will correct this. The cameras have good enough hardware in them, so better eye-AF should be posible with better software. I use the XH2 for graduation photos, so luckily, the subjects don't move a lot, and I can nail good focus. But I wouldn't mind Sony level AF, if I'm paying Sony level money...
he tell the truth. same my experience with my xh2s
By the way, I wanted to upgrade my system from a Pentax perspective. :) I just tested my Pentax K3ii (2016?) with live autofocus and viewfinder focus, and it's still better than what you've presented for Fuji. So, I could even stay with Pentax if the X-H2S is really that bad, LOL.
i have an xh2s, and did the update 6.0. i have only tried video autofocus touch to focus. works not as sony but useable most the time. i dont have this hand focusing in video. i tried it a few times and it stayed locked.
Good for you
Thanks for these enlightening videos. I now feel foolish for investing so much in Fuji. However, I will swap systems if this isn't completely fixed within the next 2 months. Shameful.
Thanks very much for making this video. Does the AF issue happen to photography, too? 😒
The fact that the intro stock music is the same as pal2tech add even more layers to this lol
I was deciding between the Sony a6700 and the Fujifilm X-T5. It was not even between the X-H2S because it's in a different price range, and if I were to invest $2,500, I would rather buy the Sony A7 Mark IV. So, I decided to stick with APS-C. From what I’ve seen here, even the Fuji X-H2S struggle with autofocus, so there’s no reason to invest in the X-T5, which all people say is worse than the X-H2S, right? I'm already buying the Sony a6700-case closed! Thanks to you, my struggles are over.
I bought my fuji camera 5 years ago knowing that the AF was bad. I thought... I mainly want it for product pictures on the studio (I use manual focus) and I am pretty sure they will fix the issue sooner than later. Well... seems customers are still not doing enough noise... I work in a product team and I know really well that companies do not address a single thing unless people really complain about it. I think everyone should be making videos about this crappy AF fujifilm has... As bigger the problem becomes for people on socials (and that is customers noise), as bigger the priority of this issue will become for their team. Go wild fuji clients, they need to address this...
I agree, thats the point of the video
As many people have said in the comments, you need to read the manual and know your camera better.
I use the Fuji X-H2 to shoot events. I only take stills, no video.
I've got the C1 dial set to Continuous AF + Tracking + No Subject Detection for general shots.
When I want to shoot details and decorations, I use C2: Single AF + Single Point + No Subject Detection. This allows me to focus very accurately.
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When taking close-ups of people's faces, I use C3: Single AF + Wide + Eye Detection. This gives me a focus rate of 70%. If there is more than 1 person, my Fuji will focus on the closest person. If I want to focus on the person further away, I use the joystick to select the other rectangle, but because the focus tends to go back to the closest face, I use a dedicated button to switch face detection off and back button focus & recompose.
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For shots of people moving around the stage, I use C4: Continuous AF + Zone + No Subject Detection. But only when there's nothing between me and the subject. If there are heads from the audience or a microphone stand, the camera focuses on them. In these cases, I move to another area where there are no obstacles.
Come on guys! It's not that complicated, is it? ;-)
I know this camera so well that I am 100% sure the AF tracking / eye is garbage . If you're doing what you're sayin in this comment you should try to become a pianist.
@@edvard2942 I should have added #sarcasm at the end of my post 😀
I feel personally attacked when I read comments saying that it's people's fault because they don't know the camera. As if the expected behaviour is to constantly tweak the camera's settings every time we want to take a picture.
People who defend Fuji's AF either haven't tried other camera brands or haven't shot in challenging environments where there's only one chance to get the shot right.
Apart from the AF, I like everything else about Fuji's cameras. That's why I'm sticking with it. And I hope the AF problems can be fixed one day.
@@MrRafaelgp haha ok i get it now
In my personal experience for a lone time user, I feel like the problem is with "the power of processor" and "the focus ability with Fuji lens'. Sure, every new model is better than before, but out dated then other brands such as Sony by 5~10 years. (Tho, I don't dig Sony at all) The other issue with Fuji's focus is low light situations and white objects. No Focus, what so ever.
Autofocus C is quite complex on the Fujifilm system. I have not seen any complex setup on Sony A6300 except for video (to slow down the re-focus rate in case of obstacles encountered during filming) or to select eye focusing. But the results are solid. The camera lacks much other stuff (But it is a few years older, also.). The complexity of focus C on Fujifilm (X-T5 in my personal case), is a good thing for adjusting to particular needs, and I personally love it. However, I can understand people comparing a readily cooked focus system (that does what most expect) with a very polyvalent one that requires a better understanding of the tool being used.
I understand most people never read the user manuals of their tools because they think they already know how it's supposed to work. Big mistake in my own opinion.
That being said, I am no photo pro, so my use of the camera does not lead me to frustrate in any way, but it is also true that I seldom use focus C except for video. But I understand it requires to be adjusted to needs, and that means adjusting it for the different needs that evolve. A great adjustable focusing system is that continuous focus. I will need to adjust my focus C for my needs and test it like you did from a lower angle and with interference from the hand.
I'm not saying it works well for everyone, I'm just saying maybe it is more complex than "good or not good". I do agree that at the price point it would be expected to be excellent and no less. I once complained to another camera maker: "If you can't guarantee that your panoramic feature works most of the time, leave it out and don't pretend your product has it in there".
Update 2024-05-10: Tested with the intent of reproducing the problem. I was unable to fail. Setting of focus C was: tracking sensitivity 3, speed 1, zone auto. (In custom mode). Sorry, Fujifilm wins for me. Only issue was that due to my model's face being in the dark due to a baseball cap, her mouth was mistaken as an eye. But the mouth was always in focus as opposed to her hand.
Good luck to you in fixing your issue with focus C.
SO you consider that your Fuji was doing well, but in your own test it was focusing at her mouth and not her eye... and thats okey...yeah... okeey...
@@tukor I'm soft on that one. We used to have face, then came eye(s). I think a critic is needed but should also be constructive. When I say "face was in the dark" I mean it. The camera not having a human brain cannot be expected to be excellent at identifying (at least in my understanding). If they got there, I'd start being scared of the future (even if it would make a photographer very happy). In Sony camera (I have a A6300) you can actually store pictures from someone's face so the camera will sort the "model's" face from others in a crowd. Of course, I never tried it, but it is available for use. Talk about advanced auto focus features...
I saw the false positives in the x-t 2 and 3 , I even had Fuji look at the x-t3 body, tried many different lenses. I loved the 16 mm f1.4. The last straw for me was not being able to actually get focus on a flower during a sunny non windy day. I have never touched one beautiful cameras but as far as my experience goes they are paperweights. They would have been better off making them purely manual focus cameras.
This is making me very sad. Furthermore I know if I was to sell of my X-H2, X-H2S and X100VI plus 18 lenses that I have, loosing 50% value, then the following week Fuji will fix the darn AF! So what can I do? Maybe just buy a single camera + lens combo from Sony or Canon or Nikon, and wait for Fuji-san to pull his finger out? Grrr...
Fuji will never fix it, they've been always behind. I've used Fuji since X-T1, X-T2 and X-T3 and they never really improved the auto focus and they tell us the problem is on the lens. But whatever lens you have, it will still won't have good auto focus. Canon and Nikon only released their mirrorless in 2019 yet they able to match Sony's performance. Why do you think Fuji hasn't able to do that?
@@ufukkiblat Good point and depressing.
The only way to fix it is with a better processor and better software. They are probably 2 years behind in that tech.
@@JET-Photo But indefinite time if they don´t address the problem... green box on the eye- many, MOST youtube reviewers where happy about it saying how great the af is- showing the green box on the eye. Another youtuber who shoots photos in Fuji says yes- the green box is on the right place, on the human eye. But when you shoot photos you will see it doesn´t work. But that´s not a thing youtubers talk about... So edvard here shows videos which proof- a green box on the eye means NOTHING when you take a picture and the af doesn´t work...
@@talsostein1626 I know what he is saying. I owned the XH2s, XH2 and XT5. I know full well how they were before the latest update. It was off at times in the beginning, but has obviously gotten worse with each update. Fuji refuses to admit or address the problems. The XH2s was supposed to be the flagship sports and wildlife camera, and looked real good on paper. That's why I bought back into the system. Before firmware 2.0 it wasn't that bad and performed quite well shooting sports. When using LM lenses, the eye was almost always sharp as a tack. Now, it seems, it doesn't matter what lenses are being used. It's unfortunate, and it has cost them. But now that they are selling X100VI's like hotcakes so they will never address their AF issues.
All Fuji users we know our tracking autofocus is the worst compared to the other main brands Nikon, Canon, Sony, Panasonic, etc (but better than Leica tracking autofocus, nobody talks about that). But it is not so bad as we see in your video. The problem here is a bug in the new firmware that affects XH2 and XH2S. It will be solved by Fuji and we will return to a bad autofocus but not so bad.
It is a software bug that will be fixed for sure but the af yes , it will still be the slowest/worst in the industry now between canon sony nikon olympus
As a XH2S and XT5 user, I agree with your test. But most Fujifilm users know the AF sucks compared to Sony, Canon, Nikon and now Panasonic. Are you trying to have Fujifilm CEO to come out and admit their firmware sucks? You think they don’t know?
@@stratopause No, I am trying to spread the information and maybe they will make it better , in my opinion the camera is capable of focusing good but the software is broken
@@edvard2942 I’m sure they know there is a problem, whether they can fix it or not is another story. If they can build the AF as good as Sony, they should have done it in version 1.0. What they should do in the future is to license the AF technology from Sony since they are using Sony’s sensors anyway.
@@stratopause I am conteplating to make another video about the way lenses communicate with the camera, some noisy lenses you can hear them how many times per second they adjust, Especially in 40fps burst mode on xh2s, and with 425 points area it is really good, so potential is there , but in video for example the motor works like a broken morse code
Silly question: if i reset my camera to fabric restore point it would keep the 6.0 or it would come back to 1.00 version?
No , it will still be on 6.0 but without any of your settings
@@edvard2942 thanks so much for the answer and for all the videos... i will never update my camera anymore until i see how the new update performs... in fact, i think this is the last time buying fuji. I was thinking about the XT6 or XH3S but no way... Fuji keeps me losing money and only giving me bad headaches... Thank your for your videos reporting AF Issues❤
Dpreview has mods having a meltdown and crying foul. Fanboys goanna fanboy. Your original video was perfect, your follow ups have cemented what you originally said and this slam dunks it. Sony AF is reliable and let's you focus ( pun intended ) on getting your composition. Like you said it's 2024, if someone is happy to pay a premium price for trashy AF, more power to them but don't shoot the messenger. You are saving those who are considering getting into the system a major headache, and iallowing them to decide if, the AF is going to meet their expectations based on all the hype.
Yea, everywhere I am the bad guy😂
You’re not even joking lol I had my a7iv sold and was going to pick an hx2 up tomorrow glad I came across this mans channel saved me a lot of disappointment
@@edvard2942 well… not everyone! Be sure to let us know when you get contacted by Fuji!
@@bigjack216 Almost in the same boat... been looking at swapping my A7IV for an X-H2. This performance certainly gives me pause for payment.
The eye autofocus is bad especially moving subjects .. Sony a7III eye autofocus is by far more accurate.
I also the algorithm when shooting low angles eye focus is ferociously bad.
Omg, the last test says it all.
Maybe I’ll stick with my Sony a73 a bit longer. lol
Found a Fuji Bug: I trying some settings and found a real Fuji bug! When I press fast the shutter button the camera release immediately without focussing at all. What? Ok...then I changed AF-C release/focus priority to focus and.... same behavior...what?!?...I switch to AF-S and try again to press the button direct full...camera shot without any focusing. What's going on? It should wait till focus is confirmed but it didn't. Then I switched AF+MF from "on" to "off" and now the camera focus first and release not before focus is correct.
Wtf...Fuji. That costs me 300 Fotos Out of focus on my son's school end dance party.
Turn AF+MF to "off" make it better?
I own fuji Xt4 and Fuji XH2 and Canon R5C. Fujifilm autofocus is 10 year behind canon.
I agree, I'll do a comparison between a6000 2014 vs xh2s 2024
@@edvard2942 use the NEX5 it will be even more funny
where is the "What lens did you use?" bros 😂
exactly , I refused to tell the lenses because all the fujifilm community is like "You need the latest lenses" and I was sick of that because I was about to buy a very expensive lens but after I tested it was exactly the same performance as almost any lens I put oh the camera.
@@edvard2942 the results are the same with sigma and tamron lenses too ://
@@edvard2942doesn't change the fact that you refuse to tell what lens for some strange reason?!!. is it stubbornness or are you insecure about the particular lens??
@@Champsreef303 he did tell in the end of the video, it's Viltrox 33mm 1.4 on both Fuji and Sony. Yeah it's chinese lens but why is it working so well on the Sony? why is it so bad on Fuji? because it's the camera, not the lens.
@@Champsreef303 you want the lens? here is a guy testing the XT5 with a linear motor fuji lens and still having the same issue. ua-cam.com/video/DjfunuhjGYM/v-deo.html
I wish fuji autofocus was better because i absolutely love the colors
Xh2s is their bigest mistake ever. 2500 usd camera with stacked sensor and garbage af. This is their last xh model. They will launch xt50 with film simulation physical dial and it tells a lot. They make cameras with amazing colors, vintage shooting experience, but fast moving subject is unachievable science for them. Great video and final comparison with sony is just enough for conclusion.
I just sold my X-H2S because i want to photograph a dog/cat/bird coming at me. The Fuji stacked sensor will give you more OOF photos than ever before, lol. Still subjects it 99% of the time was great focus. Video with exposure jumps for no reason could also be annoying. Yeah i got tired of waiting for the promised AF improvements. Day 2 with a Canon R6II, not knowing how to use it, and im hitting 99% of my action shots. With their cheapest lenses!
I went that route after renting the X-H2S with LM lenses. So far happy with the R6ii AF, color, and picture quality. Taking sports pictures has been very good with R6ii eye AF. The lens weight, $, and new UI I could do without.
Same story here. I loved Fuji but couldn't wait more. The worst was when my son had a birthday, he was standing still in front of birthday cake with fired candles and not a single shot was in focus. I didn't use eye af and fired a burst of photos. Don't know how it happened. Usually with burst at least couple were in focus but not during this particular time. First day with Canon R8 with their not so great lens - RF 35 f1.8, my kids running at full speed and basically every shot is in focus. Don't have to spray and pray anymore like I did all the time with Fuji. I can finally use modern eye af and compose freely. Two different worlds.
Same here. I'm a dog photographer and I love the Fujifilm as a system, but I was tired of waiting for improvements. There were always images that were slightly blurry or the autofocus focused on the nose even though the camera indicated that the eye was in focus. In the Fuji groups you always read that you have to set 10 things (turn on burst, turn off AF-MF, etc.) I set my R6II to AF-C, Eye-AF on and the images are in focus and also with the "cheap" Viltrox 85mm I always have sharp photos.
It's so sad because the cameras are simply beautiful, but I have the feeling that Fuji is always taking two steps forward and one step back.
Let's see if Fuji can finally get the problem under control. I really hope so.
I got caught reading all this from dpreview, and tried to make sense of what the issue was. Thanks for highlighting this. If I understand correctly - you tell me if I got this- face detect does work well except if you have a partially covered face. But I see in this video it can also happen if you have an angle where you have things closer to the camera.
I think for my street work this would still work if face detect is still reliable if the face is perpendicular to the lens. But what's really weird and I can't understand people defending how the camera behaves, is that if the camera is able to recognize the eye, it should really be able to focus on the eye.
I would think this is a bug. It's weird. The hard job is to recognize the eye I would think- then you can direct the camera PDAF area to focus on the eye area. It's bizarre.
I am watching this because I am seriously considering getting the upcoming X-T50, and want the ability to focus with face detect with C-AF as an option.
I would say though, you would have made a whole series on Olympus/OM Systems if you were using them to try to focus :-). The OM-1 MKII may finally be there, but I want to see more independent reviews of it.
In scenarios where your subject is far from your camera you arent affected but it will still hunt or focus on other objects sometimes
@@edvard2942 I had an X-T5 for three weeks, but that was before 2 of the last AF upgrades they did (I think I got it past the very first AF upgrade they did).
My experience with it was that the AF / response definitively had a nice notable jump from X-E4 class, and the face-eye detect was def. improved but while it did much less jumping I still noticed some of it.
I guess if the subjects are somewhat close it should still work as long as the face plane is mainly perpendicular to the camera?
Thanks for mentioning this. I know Sony is the king here.
I have been a Nikon shooter since 1990. My 1st DSLR was a Nikon D200 and now I shoot professionally w a pair of Z6's, a Z7 and 2 D810's.
2 Years ago I bought my 1st Fuji mirrorless, a used X-T3 and I really enjoyed using it so I then bought an X-H1. Now I have a slew of X-mount glass and I have taken both cameras on portrait shoots as I love they way the Fuji's render skin tones. I also love the tactile feel of the Fujis and like I said they are fun to shoot especially when I am grabbing a camera just for fun, family, holidays or street shots. Unfortunately they don't quite compare to the Nikon's that I own when it comes to autofocus.
I have considered the X-H2 and X-H2s as replacements for my X-T3's and X-H1's (even swap the X-H2 for the Z7) but I do not have enough faith in what I am seeing, reading and hearing when it comes to their autofocus especially for the price... Pity
Buy either SONY or Canon, avoid X-H2, X-H2S or X-T5
@@normanyang2425 Thanks. Will most likely go with Nikon Z8 or Z9 as I already own Z mount lenses.
can you do just a general autofocus and stabilzation comparaison between XS20 and A6700
and also a6700 has gyro stabilization and xs20 not thank you
GFX 100s owner here. Autofocus is abysmal, full stop. And if your subject wears glasses, don't even bother. You're better off manually focusing.
Thank you !
Tbf a similar experience can be had on the R5. IMO the manufacturers need to implement a fail safe system that double checks focus separately. Regardless of how well their AF system performs.
With the “AI” algorithms now, this should be even easier to do than ever.
IMO users would rather the camera indicate the need to retake the shot or double check settings than to walk away thinking they nailed it. The camera screens are too small, EVFs aren’t of sufficient resolution, and add that you can do bursts, there aren’t easy ways to check images. It’s not dissimilar to high res mode. Most users IMO will prefer the camera can compile in camera so you can check than to go home and compile on their computer only to realise that it fails because of some issues
AF on the R5 is amazing man
That’s why I could not 100% believe what “paid” youtuber bias review again coz I have experienced the same problem in Fujifilm X-T3 and cannot hold me to sell all of my fujifilm system and switch to Sony Alpha system!
Yep , me too, I was expecting way better than xt3 but its the same system + some ai detection wich doesnt actually work how it supposed to
Thanks dude. I was pretty fukking close to getting a Fuji. But I will look elsewhere now.
The AF improvements for Fuji cameras in the past few years have been sluggish. I still struggle to get crisp shots for my dogs running around. I switched to Nikon Zf and its 3D tracking works perfectly. Sorry Fuji.
Hi friend, I had the same problem as you, I updated my Fuji XS20 and it doesn't focus in AF-C, only in AF-S, and I noticed that my photos are also not in 100% focus as they were before. I can still use it for photos, but for video my camera is unusable.
Hmm, I just tested it on my X-S20, latest firmware. Like in the video: Hands near my eyes, lowe angle etc. Works fine, no problems (AF-C, tracking, eye-AF). Eyes are always in focus.
My X-T5 is for repair so I cannot check it.
So I just tested this on my XT4 and I can cover almost my entire face box with my hand and it never refocused on my hand. Stayed locked on my face with white boxes on eye (I guess the XT4 does have eye AF in video). Very strange that the XH2S focus is worse than XT4, but that sounds about like Fuji. Haha
Though there is another guy woo78 that has video up and tracking looks to be working great. I have no idea what he is saying and what settings he using but the camera looks to be doing a good job so go figure and he has a good wiggle around and doesn’t seem to be pulsing around much if at all. Maybe the update isn’t very reliable and cause glitches with some serial number version? Maybe?
Saw that video, it stays in the same place and focus is hunting when he moves an inch.
Where can I get that LUT for Sony? I really liked your skin tone
It is a fujifilm xh2s flog2 lut from colorizer applied over slog3
I'm actually considering selling mine and move on to a Sony, although I keep hearing people complain about Sony's unexciting colors. And, for some reason, I do like shooting with a Fuji. I don't know what to do. I had an X-T4 and started with a Panasonic Gh4 (great colors). I guess the endgame is moving to full frame? lol.
Sony colors are very unexiting yes, for videos I fixed my sony with LUTS , for pictures have to edit them . Full frame or apsc sony, same colors. If you dont shoot animals and dont need subject detection XT4 is basically xh2s without "AI" wich doesnt work like it should anyway and more framerates.
Hi Edvard, Great video as always. I was wondering if it is possible to get any acceptable results using some mode, say face detect or pre selected area or something? Especially in the last test where you showed comparison between 2 cameras. The camera seems to be capable of focusing as well as detecting things just not both at same time, which is honestly extremely weird.
Hey, they Subject detection clearly works, the autofocus system is too outdated to keep your subject in focus when moving
@@edvard2942 The autofocus system can accurately tell the lens to switch between far away subject to near subject (meters apart and very fast) when using single point or group of points. And subject detection clearly identifies the eye (Machine learning lookup). But the algorithm does not trust the subject detection it seems. I've also seen samples where lens is doing smooth focus pulls (33mm linear one). but soon as you ask the camera to detect something it starts stepping and pulsing. I highly doubt if there is some system limitation, but its just a speculative theory till you see the code. This also feels evident from the test you did in the first video, green box performed much better than the subject detection.
@@Aaditya1ad There are no such things as "smooth focus pulls" in fujifilm.
AF-S also makes a lot of mistakes. When you take photos quick, and your model is moving... (that's what people do, they move), it sometimes finds the eye, sometimes doesn't. And even if it locks on the eye, best case scenario is that the eye lashes will be sharp.... or the face :D but never the iris.
I don’t use auto focus in face eye detection. I use only linear motors or the limit focus. Also try AF custom setting number two.
Hi, Edvard I saw all your videos and you are really doing great job for raising concerns of fuji Xh2s users. I also own Xh2s and tried same Eye detection and tracking tests on my camera after updating to version 6 firmware and Its working well, as a videographer I only tested it in videos and Face/eye detection really works great. My camera came with version 5 firmware out of the box, So I think this issue is with the early units of Xh2s. Just one question have you set your camera performance to Boost? One more thing I'm not a fuji fanboy before xh2s i had Sony A6300.
Im sure its there, maybe in your usecase doesnt show, I also bought the camera with 5.03
I noticed a funky bug on my XH2S. When you are in tracking mode, a green box follow (roughly) your target. But, if you reverse the screen (like on a vloging setup) the green box tracking movement on the screen is reversed. The footage is mirrored like when you use a webcam but the green box is not, and move in the opposite direction of your target. How can I report this to Fuji ?
By the way I did some tests like your "hand" test, and my XH2S behave exactly like yours.
check my first video, i talk about that bug
I had an X-T5 that I sold for this exact reason. Even when using AF-S to focus and recompose I got a staggering number of missed shots despite completely still subjects. Landscape shots where everything was blurry for example like it focused past infinity. A shot of a fire hydrant 5 feet in front of me, but the camera focused 1 foot in front of it despite the focus point being dead center on it.
I loved the look and feel of the camera, images were good when they hit, but I feel like the hit rate was probably only 70% at best.
The fact that the number of AF points is reduced in eye detection mode vs small box as well as the fact that AF-S works heavily indicates to me that the processor isn't up to the task.
They have a processor that gets overloaded by a 26MP sensor in 2024 lol. What a joke!
wow crazy to think that @fujifilm would think this is acceptable :/ such a shame cause the xh2s is a great cam apart from the flaky autofocus
It's communication problem, it's eye detection only. Detecting eyes not focusing. 😅 There might be AI also, because camera is focusing what it thinks necessary, but for photographer it is detecting and showing where is eyes located. 😅
I am sure it is a software bug that can be easily fixed but still after the fix the AF will be bad for moving subjects.
@@edvard2942Agreed.
Hi Edvard, I watched yesterday a video using setting for autofocus “one eye” with tracking speed +5 and the other +4.
It worked fine , are you trying these settings and get the same results.
Thanks
Firmware is broken, no matter the settings , it will still behave this way, both video or pictures.
@@edvard2942 Thanks a lot, I’ll waiting when they fix this issue.
Oh please try a Panasonic S5II ! I think we can trust you. All the reviews that said Fuji AF was great are the same who says Panasonic new AF is great. So i don't trust them.
I know for experience that Sony and Canon are the best AF in market. And i can't try Panasonic because Panasonic left my country and i only can import buying outside the country.
I am sure panasonic has great AF, I've seen videos of it and the core system seems just like a canon/sony, maybe their algorithm is not 100% there but the fuji issues are in the core system (It has an very old style contrast detection behaviour,communication between camera-lens is old technology, that's why af steps and aperture steps) But I will try do get my hand on a S5II to test it. Also Im gonna do one(last) video about fujifilm af , and explain with technical details why it will not ever be good on the XF mount. Thanks
@@edvard2942 it would be interesting to know about more technical details on Fuji AF. 👏👏👏
@@amermeleitor Panny boy is actually good. I would put them in 4th place with Sony, Canon and Nikon. It is night and day difference between the S5 and S5ii
Thanks man! Im using XT4 and wanted to upgrade to XH2s, but not anymore 😅 XT4 eye AF is also unusable I only use single point or zone, Af-C is joke.
I have too many Fuji lenses to switch systems now, but dont know really... You can find A7iv for the price of H2s and theres no comparison between them...
I had an XT3 before, the image is exactly the same , actually xh2s its a little bit noisier but barely noticeable, You will get new resolutions and framerates but in terms of autofocus besides the "AI" wich is unreliable the af its exactly the same in terms of hunting and transition from close to far. I bought the xh2s for the af and it was a big dissapoitment for me. Keep your xt4 , its 90% same as xh2s.
I use AF-C on the X-T4 zone and single square point and it works very well.
@@callumleakfilms Yes it works but you re limited to that little square
@@edvard2942 true
3:47 I have a feeling that it is not focused on the lips, but focused on the hair blocking the face lol
The most serious pro-Fujifilm video promoters have always said that Fujifilm's autofocus is not yet at the highest level, but is chasing other brands. Although this problem is more marginal in photography, it becomes more noticeable in (photo-)cameras used for video. Once the defect is known, it can be managed and remedied with other stratagems, but that is another matter.
I used this camera in video mostly , it loses eye focus on a static subject, I dont have expectations to be like a sony or canon , yes its slower but to lose a stativ subject is unacceptable, I showed the photo side of things more because that is the root of the issues in my opinion.
@@edvard2942 @maliaohiker3617 I have the same issue with my X-H2 I do photography only. And it gets way worse when I'm doing a studio shoot which is even crazier because even when I'm at f8-f11 I still get photos that are COMPLETELY blurry. I've had quite a few embarrassing moments with clients trying to get some photos in focus and people getting nervous about me having a broken camera.
I shoot a lot of movement and film set stills and bts photography so I really need that C mode to work.
fujifilm should pay me money for buying their cameras, and then selling them to go back to canon as I lost money. Or maybe the UA-cam reviewers should pay me compensation for this. I am never moving away from my Canon gear ever...ever!!
Fujifilm is well known with there color and vintage experience, and now getting more and more popular with its terrible auto focus performance. When it comes to Sony, with your comparison in the end of your video I think even my small but mighty ZVE10 can catch up the eye focus test exactly the same. Yeah. I've never regret switching from Fuji to Sony