Have Vitus given you any inside information on stock. I asked on the chain reaction web chat about all 3 models and they said no sizes were showing on the system which normally means discontinued. I can't see how that would be the case when they are the only UK suppliers and the bikes have only just launched.
I think another bike to look at for value is the Cube Stereo Hybrid 160. If you shop around you can get one for between £3000/£3500. Carbon frame, 170mm Zeb fork 160 rear and Bosch Performance Line CX motor with 750wh battery. I have one and its a great performer especially in the peak district. It loves the chunky rocky stuff.
This bike really is the fairy tale ! I run a Kenevo and a Focus Jam2 6.9. I love them both for different reasons. The E-Mythique is all the good things about both of them in one package. The motor's on a par with the Brose and the Bosch Gen4. Yes, there's a rattle like the Gen4 or Shimano, but it just does EVERYTHING well. I have the VR model and for me, the Zeron fork is pants, feels like inadequate.
I'm glad this option exists because on every (and I do mean every) e-bike video I've ever clicked on there were multiple comments about how said people would love to try one but the prices were out of reach. That being said, I was more than happy to pay twice that for a quality Levo and have Specialized dealers in every town ready to help if I ever needed it.
You missed the best part about bafang motors you can service and change parts yourself, upgrade or change the firmware Heck even upgrade the motor with the m600 which has the same footprint as the 510 but much more power
EMTB Prices are realy spiraling out of control. Its completely crazy. 2 good EMTBs cost as much as a small electric car. Its crazy, given how complex a car is, and how few components are in a bike. Also the amount of problems EMTBs have after just 1000km is crazy... the prices REALY need to get more realistic. This bike is certainly a very good step to the right direction =)
at this point just get a dirt bike, way more power, and no nonsense. ebikes stop being bikes and become a joke dirt bike with those prices and if you really need an ebike that much just get a freaking motocross it's cheaper.
@@kevinburke1325care to elaborate? I think the comment is actually very accurate but I’m not a closed book and would like to know why you feel that’s not an accurate statement?
@@contactluke80 an electric car is way more expensive than an electric mtb. Also, my neighbor rode his electric bike a lot of miles and never had any problems. The OP is basically making stuff up.
Thanks very much for the review Rob. I love what Vitus have to offer across their entire MTB range, and the real-world budget that they've worked so hard to achieve. The reported financial struggles that CRC/Wiggle are experiencing are really gutting, and I sincerely hope they're able to secure some sort of deal that gives them stability for the future.
It's good to see your reviewing cheaper alternatives which is a refreshing holiday from the regular locked down cartel options. Would be great to see more of this including some of the diy kits. TOSEVEN Dm-01, DM-02, Bafang BBS-HD CYC Photon, Proton, X1 pro, 1-stealth Lightning rods mid drive systems Are all interesting candidates worthy of discussion. Anyway good vid thanks
Great review, Rob. Astonishing deal. My YT Capra was £2,700 in 2015 and a great deal back then. This is in another league. Unless you’re at a pretty high level this is more than enough for most and gets you into the sport. Even at that weight it’s not ridiculous. My carbon Cube Stereo isn’t exactly slimmer of the year and a lot more expensive. If this had been around when I was looking on 2020 I’d have bought one.
I always prefer 29 + 29 (should I?) but everything else seems great! However still with the Trek Rail 5 625 coming up to 3 years old. Technology still has a way to go before I even consider changing and pushing 70 now so how many more years before I won't benefit. Meantime NEVER GIVE UP THE UNEQUAL STRUGGLE! is my motto.
I bought the e-mythique Vr last week for £2300 on their sale, im properly happy with it so far and the savings made will be put into upgrades if or when i need them. So far though its doing everything it needs to do.
This 20cm loose cable from the LCD display actually looks much cleaner...;/ but big plus for its location. All displays should be neer stem or integrated in to the frame.
Good to see some entry level bikes again, the price of entry into emtb'ing was way too high. It's a shame we'll not see another decathlon stilus from 3 years ago - that was a similar price with a bosch motor, rockshox suspension, and really high spec brakes/wheels/etc.... for the money. I don't know how they did it as the bike cost a lot less than the components alone. But it seems bike prices in general have gone up over the last 2 years and don't look to be coming down again any time soon :(
@@fr1oCZ it wasn't too bad - just had a bizarrely long chainstay, but depending on what you wanted to do with it, it was a beast for climbing. Just lacked a big of agility.
Really nice to see some cheaper options with prices of highend bikes getting crazy over the past few years. For the cheaper modells you can get way more for your money than you could get a few years ago I remember when someone in my family bought a bike for 4k, like 8 years ago, today you can get a way better bike for the same amount of money😊
Good review of the bike Rob. Sadly, it salted the wound I received after literally had one of these in check out at Chain Reaction, only to find they arent available for American buyers from them. Direct from Vitus is an option, but not for the deal CR had...
Shocked at the 30% off considering they have just been released recently. Hopefully it will be in stock soon at that special offer. Great review as ever Rob, appreciated.
For an E-bike this is cheap, but it's still not cheap enough to broaden the appeal and availability to the wider public. E-bikes are are in the exclusive almost elite section of society, in many way mimics electric car market. But this is a great step forward and I will be keeping my eye out for this one. Great review 👍🏿🙏🏿
For a few hundred pounds more you can get the Vitus E-Sommet 297 VRX Mountain Bike with ZEB and the new AXS SRAM drive train 😳 the only problem is CRC don’t offer Cyclescheme vouchers 😭😭
I love this bike however I wish you could adjust the overrun feature. I often find it gets me into trouble more than it helps, I usually have enough momentum to get over obstacles especially with the power of the ebike. Where this hurts is coming to a stop (say in utah before a cliff ledge) or getting off the power to slow down to turn as I find myself pedaling on a lot of the xc trails. Any back wheel hops get out of hand pretty quick and I have gotten close to falling off rocks by getting up them just fine but wanting to stop and track stand to pivot or turn etc... the motor just keeps on going. I havent had a problem with this yet but pedaling before a jump and then taking your feet off will also put you in a bad spot trying to catch the moving pedals. Overall I love this bike and I could see how to most people this is a bonus feature but I just wish it was adjustable or able to toggle on or off. A bought the lowest spec knowing I was going to put on the new Rockshox suspension as well as some trp dhr-evo's and I cant recommend that enough. It really opens up what you can do on this bike. Great review!
It’s the Chinese motor that worries me even though according to the Bafang website, these are now manufactured in Poland which might mean better assembly. What’s the warranty like on those motors? Are they repairable? I’d feel more assured with a Bosch or Brose unit. One of the problems with mid drive motors is their not interchangeable so your stuck with one manufacturer.
Warranty - There are 2 years on components and 5 years on the frame warranty. And a 2 year warranty for both the battery and motor. I don't have any experience in repairing the motors, but I believe that the Bafang motors can be repaired.
Hi Rob, you make very good content! I congratulate you on the channel! I know my question doesn't have much to do with this video, but it does have much to do with previous ones... I have a 2023 turbo levo and I want to build a fox 38 Factory, in some forum and video you say that you like the E-tuned better and in another video than the normal one. Which one do you recommend? weight 70kg. thank you, greetings!
Hi, I actually prefer the direct feeling of the normal one now. The e-tuned is slightly softer in the tune and a bit more comfortable on the hands (its like it has a bit less low speed compression damping), but it feels ever so slightly more vague in some situations (very marginal though and only really noticable with back to back testing). Either way you cant go wrong, they are both excellent.
do your self a favour an get a ZEB Ultimate. Its just sooo much easier to set up how you like it and get out riding then spent months on Clickers... I had one for a Year and returned it becouse i was never really happy with the setup and always just endet up back on Factory settings... (also on a Levo 160mm). Now on a Specialize Enduro and Rockshox all the way!
Thanks for answering guys. I wear a normal 36 Factory grip2, not e-tuned. It didn't cost me much to find the configuration that I like. I guess it wouldn't cost me much in the 38 either. I read that it is smoother and better in the middle section in the 38 than the Zeb. I'm not one for big jumps. I like the rebound more when shooting fast, that's why I was hesitant about the E-tuned, which Rob says is lazier (slower rebound?). The e-tuned costs me about 100 euros less than normal. thank you!!
@@jfr2701 no he sad the E-tuned has slightly less LSC Damping (Softer tune) nothing about Rebound. A suspension Fork is not designed to be Smooth trough out its travel, in the middle to the end it should give you support ( hold the front end of the bike up) when you hit a bigger lets say root or stone. If you have set up your Fork correctly it should ride around the SAG point and be super Smooth.
I was paying £3,500 + for Cannondales , Konas etc back in the mid 90's .. I'm currently riding a Giant Stance E+2 , cost Me £3,500, and its worth every penny of its price .
I’m going to get a Mythique and slap on a bafang myself. Should save me about $300 vs this, except it will have a more powerful motor (probably smaller battery). I did this to two Sentier already!
Great video, thanks. What would choose out of the E-Mythique LT VRS and the Cube Stereo Hybrid 140 or 160 SLX or TM models. Generally speaking, is the Cube stereo a better performing bike? Cheers, Scott
Great video, but I strongly disagree with your views on the overrun. I actually stopped riding the 510 because I found the overrun, especially from a dead stop to be dangerous. You could push yourself over a cliff if you’re not careful. I had it on my wife’s bike and was afraid she would be Injured. Also, this bike is only 36 V and that is going to take away some punch from the motor most Bafang motors are 48 V.
interesting feedback - thanks for sharing. Did you experience this in all modes? On the tune on the Vitus its only really giving that long over run in the Race setting.
@@RobRidesEMTB it was an all modes on mine. The motor came with my VMG Typhon When the initial power came on, there was a slight bump. It was not smooth, and then the overrun was in all settings, and made it borderline dangerous. I have several of the new M560 motors which are much smoother on the power engagement. However, the overrun is even worse.
Rob, if you had £5k to spend. Would you consider buying the cheapeat version of this bike (currently £2.3k) and spend the rest on some awesome upgrades??
I'd probably just go for something like the Marzocchi Bomber Z2 fork and keep the rest stock for a while... www.chainreactioncycles.com/p/marzocchi-bomber-z1-boost-mountain-bike-forks?color=black&axleSpacingOffset=15mm+x+110mm+Axle+%28Boost%29+%7C+44mm+Offset
You don't mention a large number of things: 1) Filling the shocks with air and damping settings specifically 2) Cut-out switch for the motor; does it cut out when shifting? If not, there is a sensor Bafang offers for this; some bikes have this feature and I would not want a mid-drive ebike without it. 3) Does it come in different sizes? The worst thing about DTC bikes is usually they only come in 1 size; affecting geometry for smaller and larger riders, and just in general with compromises. I have a Cola Bear; would you review it? Id really like to see what you think of it, with new tires, new front fork and new frame shock added; it can still be an under $2200 USD bike, it has a bigger Bafang motor, and the cutoff sensor too. It's a little heavy @ 66 lbs, but I've been having a lot of fun with it..
We had a couple of the original e sommets and they both packed up .Not sure if it’s still the same setup now but legally because the original company were not based in the U.K. but Ireland it took 6 months to get our money back by treating legal action personally against the MD . I still have his E Mail if anybody needs it.
I hope someone can answer my question. Why does the Bafang motor have no freewheeling noise when you turn the crank backwards? Or rather, why does the Bosch CX have the freewheeling noise when it is obviously not necessary? Does the CX have any function that the Bafang M510 lacks, which is why the CX has this freewheeling noise? Or does the technology of the CX have any advantage over the Bafang without freewheel noise? And another question: Do the pedals rotate with the Bafang's pushing aid?
Hi Rob, would you be able to ask Bafang why there seems no battery available on this planet ? I contacted them 3 times and no reply at all. Maybe there is a source somewhere. Thanks
Hey Rob, do you reckon this 95nm number is accurate? For example, does it actually feel like more than the Bosch CX? Edit: Loving the cinematics and the foley in this video. Sounds amazing.
At low RPM the bosch feels more powerful, but at a regular steady RPM of around 85, its similar. Tom my videographer had a test ride (he uses the Bosch) and he thought Bafang was more powerful... I'd say its pretty level. I'd like to see more low down power from the lower RPM / and at super low cadences...
@@RobRidesEMTB Appreciate it thanks. I’d love to see more of these Bafang eMTBs out there. We’re slowly getting better and better bikes, and more people are starting to ride them too. It’s looking good for the future of eMTB. Cheers Rob
To me, both the overrun and the lack of off-the-line sensitivity look like symptoms of not having a proper torque sensor in the motor. I've found those symptoms on really cheap and nasty e-bike motors that only have crank rotation sensors instead of a torque sensor.
No, there is a torque sensor in the motor, which is pretty good for sure. The over run is only in the Race mode (similar to the Bosch Race motor in the way it delivers the overrun). The torque sensors in the M510 work well. Its just been tuned to offer a smooth take off from a standstill, instead of more aggressive, instant start...
@@benjaminsmorse Yes the same. I'd add though, that its only really the Bosch that does this really well. Bafang operates very similar to the Brose on my Kenevo (that has the same characteristic).
When he said sling a spare battery in a backpack really is it that light? My new 750w bosch battery is huge and damb its one heavy battery! Soon as took it out the bike the difference in being able to lump it up 2 flights of stairs was alot easier! Lol you couldn't put the bosch 750w in a bag and keep your centre of weight balance this is on my new 2023 action team cube 160
Hi Rob excellent review. I've been waiting for a 'cheap'..emtb. What do you think of the Canyon Neuron ON 6 which is now on discount and cheaper than this Vitus ? Thank's :-)
Not too sure on that particluar bike - its geo isnt what I'd choose.. its only 120/120mm suspension travel (I'd go more on an ebike for sure) - and its also a bit more than the current pricing on these Vitus bikes with 30% off. I do really like Canyon bikes, in particular, the Strive:On
@@RobRidesEMTB Thank's for the answer Rob ! but not shure i can buy the Vitus is Spain where i live.. I've been searching but can't find a dealer here who sells it.
Hi rob is the build quality of the vitus as good as the privateer e 161 the ep801 just puts me off and with the savings from buying the vitus I could upgrade suspension brakes to spec of the 161e thanks
Wish these reviews were made in the USA and these bikes would be available to us Americans too.... But most of these reviews are based on European companies using cheap Chinese components.
hi Rob what do you think about the Vitus E-Escarpe 290 VR Mountain Bike for my first proper e-mountain bike for £2,699 new I don't do big jumps or anything like that I'll be taking it slow I do have bake problems and probably be doing more roads than trails
Company`s developing e-bikes but selling them with wheels which doesn`t handle that power and rear hubs and rims breaks .Only one company made specific rear e-bike hub which is hope if i'm not wrong.. Big shame
Hi Rob, long term follower. I think we are the same hight 193cm but I weigh 105kg. looking for a first emtb to ride in the Pyrenee mountains where I live. 29? befang-Bosch? max 4000euro kind regards
This Vitas at 25 kg along with rider weight will put added stress on suspension bushings and wheels, so you’ll have to consider the durability when choosing for your style of riding.
No it's torque sensing. You can actually see the torque number in the app in real time. You can also change the "startup angle" - the degrees of crank turn needed before assistance begins, but you need an external box to edit it.
One of the reasons I don’t particularly like the Bosch motor is because of the instant power as soon as you touch the peddle, like the bike wants to launch itself. This feature makes far more sense as the power kicks in once you are moving rather than from stationary.
If you lived here in Norway you would be glad that the battery has a key the thieves here will steal your bike or the battery or which ever is more convenient.
@@majordelays4909 yep, well it's predecessor the Mt bromo, but same same... had it three years, 5000kms, and it's been The most reliable bike I've ever had. It's still raining stock pivot bearings all round, good as new. Original motor. I call it tank, because it literally plows through anything. The suspension is something else. And I have plenty of bikes to compare too. It is heavy..... but hay, it's na ebike . Supper agile and poppy for the weight.
It’s an irrelevant comparison Loads of items for sale to the general public are cheaper than an e-bike but if you want an e-bike you buy an e-bike I don’t know why people who don’t like e-bikes watch these videos And the come out with this nonsense You should have paid more attention to the person stood at the front of the class whilst at school
@@chucklberry might have to look at the discounted saving as the warranty? I'm wondering if sales are still slow will they knock some more money off for Black Friday 🤔
Hey all, even more crazy, since filming, Vitus have AN EXTRA 30% off the price of this bike: bit.ly/48wnoN1
Great review, just waiting for mine to arrive. Thanks
I’d ride it!
Darn. It looks like Vitus e-bikes are not available across the pond in the colonies.
Have Vitus given you any inside information on stock. I asked on the chain reaction web chat about all 3 models and they said no sizes were showing on the system which normally means discontinued. I can't see how that would be the case when they are the only UK suppliers and the bikes have only just launched.
Mid October
I think another bike to look at for value is the Cube Stereo Hybrid 160. If you shop around you can get one for between £3000/£3500. Carbon frame, 170mm Zeb fork 160 rear and Bosch Performance Line CX motor with 750wh battery. I have one and its a great performer especially in the peak district. It loves the chunky rocky stuff.
This bike really is the fairy tale ! I run a Kenevo and a Focus Jam2 6.9. I love them both for different reasons. The E-Mythique is all the good things about both of them in one package. The motor's on a par with the Brose and the Bosch Gen4. Yes, there's a rattle like the Gen4 or Shimano, but it just does EVERYTHING well. I have the VR model and for me, the Zeron fork is pants, feels like inadequate.
I'm glad this option exists because on every (and I do mean every) e-bike video I've ever clicked on there were multiple comments about how said people would love to try one but the prices were out of reach. That being said, I was more than happy to pay twice that for a quality Levo and have Specialized dealers in every town ready to help if I ever needed it.
This is the review ive been waiting for with the recent price drop as well it's incredible value !
You missed the best part about bafang motors you can service and change parts yourself, upgrade or change the firmware Heck even upgrade the motor with the m600 which has the same footprint as the 510 but much more power
EMTB Prices are realy spiraling out of control. Its completely crazy. 2 good EMTBs cost as much as a small electric car. Its crazy, given how complex a car is, and how few components are in a bike. Also the amount of problems EMTBs have after just 1000km is crazy... the prices REALY need to get more realistic. This bike is certainly a very good step to the right direction =)
That is completely false.
at this point just get a dirt bike, way more power, and no nonsense. ebikes stop being bikes and become a joke dirt bike with those prices and if you really need an ebike that much just get a freaking motocross it's cheaper.
@@kevinburke1325care to elaborate? I think the comment is actually very accurate but I’m not a closed book and would like to know why you feel that’s not an accurate statement?
@@contactluke80 an electric car is way more expensive than an electric mtb. Also, my neighbor rode his electric bike a lot of miles and never had any problems. The OP is basically making stuff up.
@@contactluke80a get mtb cost 6000k or more . No motor
Thanks very much for the review Rob. I love what Vitus have to offer across their entire MTB range, and the real-world budget that they've worked so hard to achieve. The reported financial struggles that CRC/Wiggle are experiencing are really gutting, and I sincerely hope they're able to secure some sort of deal that gives them stability for the future.
It's good to see your reviewing cheaper alternatives which is a refreshing holiday from the regular locked down cartel options. Would be great to see more of this including some of the diy kits.
TOSEVEN Dm-01, DM-02,
Bafang BBS-HD
CYC Photon, Proton, X1 pro, 1-stealth
Lightning rods mid drive systems
Are all interesting candidates worthy of discussion.
Anyway good vid thanks
Great review, Rob. Astonishing deal. My YT Capra was £2,700 in 2015 and a great deal back then. This is in another league. Unless you’re at a pretty high level this is more than enough for most and gets you into the sport. Even at that weight it’s not ridiculous. My carbon Cube Stereo isn’t exactly slimmer of the year and a lot more expensive. If this had been around when I was looking on 2020 I’d have bought one.
I always prefer 29 + 29 (should I?) but everything else seems great! However still with the Trek Rail 5 625 coming up to 3 years old. Technology still has a way to go before I even consider changing and pushing 70 now so how many more years before I won't benefit. Meantime NEVER GIVE UP THE UNEQUAL STRUGGLE! is my motto.
I bought the e-mythique Vr last week for £2300 on their sale, im properly happy with it so far and the savings made will be put into upgrades if or when i need them. So far though its doing everything it needs to do.
I'm looking at one now for 2475 . How you finding this so far ?
How is holding up looking to purchase this or a Cayon on
Great review rob as all your vids are highly informative and a awesome place to come for EMTB Knowledge and experience 👊🍻cheers bud
This 20cm loose cable from the LCD display actually looks much cleaner...;/ but big plus for its location. All displays should be neer stem or integrated in to the frame.
Man this is some beautiful video production. Congrats to your producer team, so good!
Yes. Nevermind the bike. Lovely camerawork, such as at 2:56. ;)
Good to see some entry level bikes again, the price of entry into emtb'ing was way too high.
It's a shame we'll not see another decathlon stilus from 3 years ago - that was a similar price with a bosch motor, rockshox suspension, and really high spec brakes/wheels/etc.... for the money. I don't know how they did it as the bike cost a lot less than the components alone.
But it seems bike prices in general have gone up over the last 2 years and don't look to be coming down again any time soon :(
Unfortunately the geometry of that bike was not that great. Decathlon has some new enduro e-bikes but priced quite high imo.
@@fr1oCZ it wasn't too bad - just had a bizarrely long chainstay, but depending on what you wanted to do with it, it was a beast for climbing. Just lacked a big of agility.
Really nice to see some cheaper options with prices of highend bikes getting crazy over the past few years.
For the cheaper modells you can get way more for your money than you could get a few years ago I remember when someone in my family bought a bike for 4k, like 8 years ago, today you can get a way better bike for the same amount of money😊
Thanks Rod very interesting bike price point excellent, been trying to get a mate into eb this might interest him Thanks mate 🇦🇺
Good review of the bike Rob. Sadly, it salted the wound I received after literally had one of these in check out at Chain Reaction, only to find they arent available for American buyers from them. Direct from Vitus is an option, but not for the deal CR had...
Shocked at the 30% off considering they have just been released recently. Hopefully it will be in stock soon at that special offer. Great review as ever Rob, appreciated.
Well classic Wiggle/CRC, 30% off something not in stock.... How to win at google shopping 101..... 🤣
I just purchased the black VR model for £2299 @@gibfear 👍
For an E-bike this is cheap, but it's still not cheap enough to broaden the appeal and availability to the wider public.
E-bikes are are in the exclusive almost elite section of society, in many way mimics electric car market.
But this is a great step forward and I will be keeping my eye out for this one.
Great review 👍🏿🙏🏿
We need to see a test vs the Cheeb! Whats cheaper and what’s better 👌
Insane videography.
Such a well made video Rob. Production quality is amazing.
thanks - appreciated :-)
For a few hundred pounds more you can get the Vitus E-Sommet 297 VRX Mountain Bike with ZEB and the new AXS SRAM drive train 😳 the only problem is CRC don’t offer Cyclescheme vouchers 😭😭
Lovely machine. I have the bigger 180mm version of that fork on my Husqvarna Hardcross
Love it as much or more than my Lyric Ultimate & Fox 38
I love this bike however I wish you could adjust the overrun feature. I often find it gets me into trouble more than it helps, I usually have enough momentum to get over obstacles especially with the power of the ebike. Where this hurts is coming to a stop (say in utah before a cliff ledge) or getting off the power to slow down to turn as I find myself pedaling on a lot of the xc trails. Any back wheel hops get out of hand pretty quick and I have gotten close to falling off rocks by getting up them just fine but wanting to stop and track stand to pivot or turn etc... the motor just keeps on going. I havent had a problem with this yet but pedaling before a jump and then taking your feet off will also put you in a bad spot trying to catch the moving pedals. Overall I love this bike and I could see how to most people this is a bonus feature but I just wish it was adjustable or able to toggle on or off. A bought the lowest spec knowing I was going to put on the new Rockshox suspension as well as some trp dhr-evo's and I cant recommend that enough. It really opens up what you can do on this bike. Great review!
Brillant Review mate!!
It’s the Chinese motor that worries me even though according to the Bafang website, these are now manufactured in Poland which might mean better assembly. What’s the warranty like on those motors? Are they repairable? I’d feel more assured with a Bosch or Brose unit. One of the problems with mid drive motors is their not interchangeable so your stuck with one manufacturer.
Warranty - There are 2 years on components and 5 years on the frame warranty. And a 2 year warranty for both the battery and motor. I don't have any experience in repairing the motors, but I believe that the Bafang motors can be repaired.
Also, worth taking a look here for others with Bafang motors: www.emtbforums.com/forums/bafang.69/
Hi Rob, you make very good content! I congratulate you on the channel! I know my question doesn't have much to do with this video, but it does have much to do with previous ones... I have a 2023 turbo levo and I want to build a fox 38 Factory, in some forum and video you say that you like the E-tuned better and in another video than the normal one. Which one do you recommend? weight 70kg. thank you, greetings!
Hi, I actually prefer the direct feeling of the normal one now. The e-tuned is slightly softer in the tune and a bit more comfortable on the hands (its like it has a bit less low speed compression damping), but it feels ever so slightly more vague in some situations (very marginal though and only really noticable with back to back testing). Either way you cant go wrong, they are both excellent.
do your self a favour an get a ZEB Ultimate. Its just sooo much easier to set up how you like it and get out riding then spent months on Clickers... I had one for a Year and returned it becouse i was never really happy with the setup and always just endet up back on Factory settings... (also on a Levo 160mm). Now on a Specialize Enduro and Rockshox all the way!
Thanks for answering guys. I wear a normal 36 Factory grip2, not e-tuned. It didn't cost me much to find the configuration that I like. I guess it wouldn't cost me much in the 38 either. I read that it is smoother and better in the middle section in the 38 than the Zeb. I'm not one for big jumps. I like the rebound more when shooting fast, that's why I was hesitant about the E-tuned, which Rob says is lazier (slower rebound?). The e-tuned costs me about 100 euros less than normal. thank you!!
@@jfr2701 no he sad the E-tuned has slightly less LSC Damping (Softer tune) nothing about Rebound. A suspension Fork is not designed to be Smooth trough out its travel, in the middle to the end it should give you support ( hold the front end of the bike up) when you hit a bigger lets say root or stone. If you have set up your Fork correctly it should ride around the SAG point and be super Smooth.
Great Video & Review.
I was paying £3,500 + for Cannondales , Konas etc back in the mid 90's ..
I'm currently riding a Giant Stance E+2 , cost Me £3,500, and its worth every penny of its price .
Fantastic bike and review and worth every penny
I’m going to get a Mythique and slap on a bafang myself. Should save me about $300 vs this, except it will have a more powerful motor (probably smaller battery). I did this to two Sentier already!
Great video, thanks. What would choose out of the E-Mythique LT VRS and the Cube Stereo Hybrid 140 or 160 SLX or TM models. Generally speaking, is the Cube stereo a better performing bike? Cheers, Scott
Just picked up the VRX version for 3000 euros. Feels like the best emtb deal on the market right now...
Very nice work Rob a diamond in the rough. How about a dengfu bikes how do you feel about them?
Just waiting on the vrx to come in stock😊
Great video, but I strongly disagree with your views on the overrun. I actually stopped riding the 510 because I found the overrun, especially from a dead stop to be dangerous. You could push yourself over a cliff if you’re not careful. I had it on my wife’s bike and was afraid she would be Injured. Also, this bike is only 36 V and that is going to take away some punch from the motor most Bafang motors are 48 V.
interesting feedback - thanks for sharing. Did you experience this in all modes? On the tune on the Vitus its only really giving that long over run in the Race setting.
@@RobRidesEMTB it was an all modes on mine. The motor came with my VMG Typhon
When the initial power came on, there was a slight bump. It was not smooth, and then the overrun was in all settings, and made it borderline dangerous.
I have several of the new M560 motors which are much smoother on the power engagement. However, the overrun is even worse.
I Can’t Believe Rob Uploaded A Video After I Checked His Channel.
Curious about the long term repairability of the motor (many brands will only replace/sell entire motors)?
I bought the last Vitus e sommet it only did 50 miles and packed in so got a refund…more hassle then it’s worth those shimano motors
@@joshbowker9654 I don't understand a fucking word you are saying and i speak literally 7 lanquages...
@@joshbowker9654it has a bafang motor not Shimano
Good luck with aftermarket support considering CRC is going under. Price doesn’t matter if they don’t offer warranties
Rob, if you had £5k to spend. Would you consider buying the cheapeat version of this bike (currently £2.3k) and spend the rest on some awesome upgrades??
I'd probably just go for something like the Marzocchi Bomber Z2 fork and keep the rest stock for a while...
www.chainreactioncycles.com/p/marzocchi-bomber-z1-boost-mountain-bike-forks?color=black&axleSpacingOffset=15mm+x+110mm+Axle+%28Boost%29+%7C+44mm+Offset
Not even a decent wheelset??
@@tomowen6108 I'd only replace them if they broke to be honest 👍
Great time to buy it at the moment, entry level is down to 2.5k at CRC 😮
You don't mention a large number of things: 1) Filling the shocks with air and damping settings specifically 2) Cut-out switch for the motor; does it cut out when shifting? If not, there is a sensor Bafang offers for this; some bikes have this feature and I would not want a mid-drive ebike without it. 3) Does it come in different sizes? The worst thing about DTC bikes is usually they only come in 1 size; affecting geometry for smaller and larger riders, and just in general with compromises. I have a Cola Bear; would you review it? Id really like to see what you think of it, with new tires, new front fork and new frame shock added; it can still be an under $2200 USD bike, it has a bigger Bafang motor, and the cutoff sensor too. It's a little heavy @ 66 lbs, but I've been having a lot of fun with it..
We had a couple of the original e sommets and they both packed up .Not sure if it’s still the same setup now but legally because the original company were not based in the U.K. but Ireland it took 6 months to get our money back by treating legal action personally against the MD . I still have his E Mail if anybody needs it.
How does this compare to the Canyon spectral on?
I hope someone can answer my question. Why does the Bafang motor have no freewheeling noise when you turn the crank backwards? Or rather, why does the Bosch CX have the freewheeling noise when it is obviously not necessary? Does the CX have any function that the Bafang M510 lacks, which is why the CX has this freewheeling noise? Or does the technology of the CX have any advantage over the Bafang without freewheel noise? And another question: Do the pedals rotate with the Bafang's pushing aid?
I’ve got an emtb I bought for $4500 USD. Got injured 50:miles in. Now, I’d love to sell it and forget about the whole thing.
Is that you Simon cowell?
Sounds like you are very experienced in giving up.
@@IIISentorIII not really. I injured a nerve and now cannot sit at all without intense pain. I pray it doesn’t happen to you, my friend.
But it’s a killer bike. 90nM Brose motor that was awesome
The Mythiques are all sold out, how does the E-Sommet with the Shimano motor compare?
Check out the Yamaha Moro. It can be had for $4k and has XT components, rockshock front and rear.
What's your thoughts on going one step up from vrs. Is it still good value or does it open up a new set of bike options.
Need to review some cubes Rob.
Sure! I already covered their latest Bosch Smart bike, the Hybrid 140 last year 👍
Cheers Rod 😂👍
Hi Rob, would you be able to ask Bafang why there seems no battery available on this planet ? I contacted them 3 times and no reply at all. Maybe there is a source somewhere. Thanks
what happens when the battery stops working? can you just order a new one?
Hey Rob, do you reckon this 95nm number is accurate? For example, does it actually feel like more than the Bosch CX? Edit: Loving the cinematics and the foley in this video. Sounds amazing.
At low RPM the bosch feels more powerful, but at a regular steady RPM of around 85, its similar. Tom my videographer had a test ride (he uses the Bosch) and he thought Bafang was more powerful... I'd say its pretty level. I'd like to see more low down power from the lower RPM / and at super low cadences...
@@RobRidesEMTB Appreciate it thanks. I’d love to see more of these Bafang eMTBs out there. We’re slowly getting better and better bikes, and more people are starting to ride them too. It’s looking good for the future of eMTB. Cheers Rob
Sounds like a good deal until I realized that’s how much I paid for my 2023 kTM 390 duke motorcycle.
I switched to motorcycles to save money 😂
My 2020 stilus is just grand
Hi Rob. What size of frame did you test? I'm in between sizes like most manufacturers 😢
Cool bike !
Wish i could get one in the USA, but with the CRC struggles there is no way unfortunately 😔
Where abouts did you film this? The scenery is amazing
Thanks :-) Across 3 locations in the South UK (Surrey Hills, Minehead & Triscombe, Quantock Hills)
Would you buy this over a second hand 2019 or 2022 vitus e sommet ??
To me, both the overrun and the lack of off-the-line sensitivity look like symptoms of not having a proper torque sensor in the motor. I've found those symptoms on really cheap and nasty e-bike motors that only have crank rotation sensors instead of a torque sensor.
No, there is a torque sensor in the motor, which is pretty good for sure. The over run is only in the Race mode (similar to the Bosch Race motor in the way it delivers the overrun). The torque sensors in the M510 work well. Its just been tuned to offer a smooth take off from a standstill, instead of more aggressive, instant start...
Is the lack of off-the-line sensitivity an issue only in race mode, or does it also occur in the other modes? @@RobRidesEMTB
@@benjaminsmorse Yes the same. I'd add though, that its only really the Bosch that does this really well. Bafang operates very similar to the Brose on my Kenevo (that has the same characteristic).
This bike isn't available for sale in USA by either chain reaction or wiggle. How do I get one?
When he said sling a spare battery in a backpack really is it that light? My new 750w bosch battery is huge and damb its one heavy battery! Soon as took it out the bike the difference in being able to lump it up 2 flights of stairs was alot easier! Lol you couldn't put the bosch 750w in a bag and keep your centre of weight balance this is on my new 2023 action team cube 160
this is a hypothetical question anyway, as neither the dealer, Vitus or Bafang can tell where to get one. Extremely disappointing after sales
Hi Rob excellent review. I've been waiting for a 'cheap'..emtb. What do you think of the Canyon Neuron ON 6 which is now on discount and cheaper than this Vitus ? Thank's :-)
Not too sure on that particluar bike - its geo isnt what I'd choose.. its only 120/120mm suspension travel (I'd go more on an ebike for sure) - and its also a bit more than the current pricing on these Vitus bikes with 30% off. I do really like Canyon bikes, in particular, the Strive:On
@@RobRidesEMTB Thank's for the answer Rob ! but not shure i can buy the Vitus is Spain where i live..
I've been searching but can't find a dealer here who sells it.
Good to see entry point into Ebikes becoming lower.
What size frame was you testing here? Looks like a great bike.
XL 👍
Excellent honest review.
My main question is when are they gonna sell them as frame only kits?
This bike is out of stock but I see they have other models with the Shimano ep801 motor for just a few more $$
Hi rob is the build quality of the vitus as good as the privateer e 161 the ep801 just puts me off and with the savings from buying the vitus I could upgrade suspension brakes to spec of the 161e thanks
Nice video Rob, and the Bafang motor could incorporate a thumb throttle too - which some people prefer.
and would then be illegal in the UK (unless on private land you'd permission to ride on)
@@br5380 Yes, but try telling that to all who have de restricted their bike to go above 15.5MPH on motor power in the UK.
Would you still buy one with crc in their current decline
Its insane these bike sold out and had huge reductions on their original price, was gonna have one, absolute bargain 👍
My mates just picked up the base model for £2300 ??Insane price for full powered e-bike.
Another great vid mate 👌
Vitus please,build a Pinion e-drive bike
This seems very similar to a lot of the Chinese made direct to consumer bikes but with slightly better components.
Wish these reviews were made in the USA and these bikes would be available to us Americans too.... But most of these reviews are based on European companies using cheap Chinese components.
hi Rob what do you think about the Vitus E-Escarpe 290 VR Mountain Bike for my first proper e-mountain bike for £2,699 new I don't do big jumps or anything like that I'll be taking it slow I do have bake problems and probably be doing more roads than trails
Did you get it in the end? Iv just ordered one of wiggle.
Company`s developing e-bikes but selling them with wheels which doesn`t handle that power and rear hubs and rims breaks .Only one company made specific rear e-bike hub which is hope if i'm not wrong.. Big shame
I would really like to see a luna x2 review.pretty good emtb for 4.1k
Hi Rob, long term follower.
I think we are the same hight 193cm but I weigh 105kg. looking for a first emtb to ride in the Pyrenee mountains where I live.
29? befang-Bosch? max 4000euro
kind regards
This Vitas at 25 kg along with rider weight will put added stress on suspension bushings and wheels, so you’ll have to consider the durability when choosing for your style of riding.
i cant find e bikes in the app nor the websites .
does this mean vitus does not sell these bikes to australia?
Canyon as the torque on sale at the moment for like 3800 but you get way better components
A warranty with CRC doesn't seem so inspiring eh? Seeing as they seem to be going under
Is there a trail equivalent with shorter travel and less power? Love the value prop ❤.
Not yet. Interestingly, Bafang do now make a lightweight motor, so possibly something in the future.
I think the motor isn't torque sensing, rather it senses rotation.. hence the 1/4 turn lag.
It is torque sensing - it’s just tuned to offer this smooth initial start 👍
No it's torque sensing. You can actually see the torque number in the app in real time. You can also change the "startup angle" - the degrees of crank turn needed before assistance begins, but you need an external box to edit it.
One of the reasons I don’t particularly like the Bosch motor is because of the instant power as soon as you touch the peddle, like the bike wants to launch itself. This feature makes far more sense as the power kicks in once you are moving rather than from stationary.
review the budget merida e160 they sell for pretty cheap please
If you lived here in Norway you would be glad that the battery has a key the thieves here will steal your bike or the battery or which ever is more convenient.
30% off now !!!
Sold out
It's almost impossible to buy a Vitus outside the UK
@RobRidesEMTB PLESE PLESE do a review of the Polygon Colossus N8E, you will be presently surprised.
Thanks for the recommendation 👊
The suspension looks overly complex on that - do you have one?
@@majordelays4909 yep, well it's predecessor the Mt bromo, but same same... had it three years, 5000kms, and it's been The most reliable bike I've ever had. It's still raining stock pivot bearings all round, good as new. Original motor. I call it tank, because it literally plows through anything. The suspension is something else. And I have plenty of bikes to compare too.
It is heavy..... but hay, it's na ebike .
Supper agile and poppy for the weight.
no available in australia :(
I can't Believe how expensive is a "cheap" ebike ...
Its a bit silly alright. You can buy a decent motorcycle for the price of a Specialized emtb
@jm02139its built by thok ducatis e bike
This is super cheap honestly.
@@SamDeansMediaincorrect.
It’s an irrelevant comparison
Loads of items for sale to the general public are cheaper than an e-bike but if you want an e-bike you buy an e-bike
I don’t know why people who don’t like e-bikes watch these videos
And the come out with this nonsense
You should have paid more attention to the person stood at the front of the class whilst at school
If u look at the prices on regular mtb bike the E-bikes are the same price
Whats the overall weight? Its not listed on thier website.
24 or 25 kg cant remember the exact
Looking at this bike for £2475. Anyone got any opinions on whether its worth pulling the trigger and buying?
Same here but I'm also worried that chain reaction may be going under so where would you stand with the warranty
@@chucklberry might have to look at the discounted saving as the warranty? I'm wondering if sales are still slow will they knock some more money off for Black Friday 🤔
Yep same here. As long as there is no update on their business it’s just gambling. At the same time Nukeproof debut new kiddy bikes.