I remember watching it live on tv......i could not hold my breath.. to be fair up until today every time I watch it back... that was real america's cup.
@@Alakwe the big problem to me is close usage of the rules is impossible, they use imaginary boxes to determine fouled rules instead of heading another boat up, it's not a match race if you can't control the other boat
Une régal , rien a voir avec la Parda cup où franchement il ne se passe rien. Ici se sont de belles manœuvres , de l'esprit d'equipe et de sportivité . Un temps maintenant révolu. Sick !!
Yep. First time in 40 years I'm not really even following the ac. No passing, no pre start, no lead changes, no spinikers, sail changes etc I've never been bored watching slow sailing but incredibly the faster it is the less interesting it is.
The starts in those old races were insanely exciting. Love the new boats but it’s like 20-20 cricket versus test match cricket. Almost different sports.
I disagree. The foiling boats is making the sport more spectator friendly and is attracting new fans. But I do think it’s time for the AC to have classes or divisions. A Foiling/technology class and a Classic class. As long as these large mono haul yachts aren’t lost or destroyed, the teams came come back with them. For each AC there will be different classes to win.
It is not possible to have a race like this with the current boats. I love the foiling boats. They are a marvel of engineering and watching them sail is incredible. But you can't match race them. The only thing that matters is staying of the foils. There is no recovery from mistakes and there is no real need for racing tactics outside of the prestart. Has there been a single close match race with these sorts of tactical lead changes since they started foiling? Edit: I stand somewhat corrected. There have been some fantastic races in the Challenger series for AC36. Maybe it's the multi hulls that cause poor racing not the foils. Not being able to easily tack means they just sailed boundary to boundary. The AC75s don't lose much in tacks so they can fight a bit more.
I love the old races like this also. If the modern foiling boats DO stay on the foils, as they usually do nowadays, they are match racing to an extent, just at a much higher speed. My problem with the modern boats is how hard it is to overtake once a boat gains a lead at the first mark - though it does happen occasionally.
I knew what how it ends and my heart was still pumping... If only they'd held off the penalty for another 10 meters. But one of the best AC races ever.
Watching the Americas Cup for the very first time this year because I am here in Barcelona. But while absolutely amazed with the technology, watching this footage, I question wasn´t it so much more interesting back then? With such a large crew. Incredible to compare it to the 8 people & full carbon foil boats or rather UFO`s nowadays.
Incredible. Amazing how many crew mistakes lost this series for Team New Zealand. People blame Dean Barker but it really comes back to all those spinnaker issues.
These boats were true so-called boats, with sails, spinnakers and a crew on board that counted as a small town! Kiwis won the recent Auld Mug so, if they want to come back to the roots of sailing, they just have to ask 🏆
@@scotthamilton6062 You will never see matchracing like this on foils. Not even with the moth. Speed might be faster but that's about it. No strategy needed anymore.
Éstas luchas titánicas con colosales competidores (defensor y desafiante) algún día las volveremos a ver, cuando el romance reviva y con ello venza al afán por los presentes avances tecnológicos que nos someten a precoces carreras sin contiendas ni por la posición en la línea de partida ni al largo de una pierna. Espero con ansias el retorno de épocas románticas dado que ésto es el fundamento de los Defensores y desafiantes de la América de las 100 guineas.
Yes, I too miss the races between boats . . . sail boats, not foil boats. This is so much more exciting than the current races going on now btwn NZ and Italy.
@@cordlxze9559 I must admit I neeed to take back my comment after the last two races. The A75's are pretty amazing and FAST! I guess I miss sailing without all this technology stuff thrown in. Congrats to Aotaroa!
The boats were close in speed, but alinghi seemed to have a slight edge upwind. I think this was to do with the hull shape, particularly Alinghi's fuller forward sections that seemed to stretch out healed waterline length. Love to hear from anyone that knows more about the designs.
As much as we can hate it, foil sailing is here to stay. Don't get me wrong, I love watching the foiling monohulls flying in Barcelona, it's a great show, but they are far from "sailing" the normal people do and can relate to. Seeing this race here, you can see people switching sides, moving to tackle multiple tasks, going up the mast to look at the wind, changing sails, super close match racing (can you imagine the AC75 of today getting so near to each other at 80km/h?).
Molto più avvincenti, fisiche entusiasmanti queste regate, di quelle attuali. Quando la tecnologia supera il limite, è in grado di snaturare anche lo sport più divertente!
Current AC is an indicator of our times all about entertainment with no substance. It attracts people that know nothing about the art of match racing, killed all sailing schools that started MR programs because of AC75 and moved the purpose trophy from sailing to football.
So much better than the new foiling boats. THIS is exciting, not having a race be decided in the first few minutes or leg because someone was going 10 knots when the other is going 40. I want to watch a chess match depending on team coordination and tactics, not two fire crackers, wondering which one will be a dud.
I keep seeing ppl saying this is sailing, not the new AC, I know nothing about this world, but i have been loving Sail GP and i found the AC from that and also the f1 connection. But it has made me go bk and watch all the old AC stuff, as well as watch all the new AC from the start. What im trying to say is there are new ppl like myself loving the sport old and new and new. And that can't be a bad thing.
NZ went through that penalty too early at the end, if they waited a couple of seconds more there would have been a race 8. Still, not as anguish inducing as 2013, but it still was a pretty depressing day
I don't understand this logic. Doing a 270° is going to cost you the same 100 meters from the line or on the line if the wind is the same. Are you arguing the wind was not the same ?
Firstly you have to be a boomer or a purist gatekeeper, then you have to have your rose-tinted glasses on and then try and extrapolate this 1 close race out as if the entire series was this close.
Well it's how it has been done since the age of time. Think about how the primitive Indonesians conqueered the Pacific Islands thousend of years ago. Plus your "slow" motion is not really accurate. 5 MPH is fast for snail for instance, if you can see one going that fast I mean.
Questa è la Coppa America,fughe tra le barche del pubblico, scontri tra barche, gara a pochi centimetri di distanza, marinai che alzano e abbassano le vele che si rompono. Imprevisto puro!Oggi quegli affari in regata stanno distanti tra di loro, i marinai stanno fermi e pedalano, il mare deve essere piatto o quasi, ma dove è l'adrenalina, è tutto uno schifo.
I still feel the pain as a Kiwi. Dean Barker should have been sacked then as skipper. I'm sorry but he just was a chocker in my opinion. I could never do what he can do with a boat but he gets paid to win and for the amount of times he skippered to win ratios. Goodbye Dean
Great to be able to see these races again, but the cuts in the video are a nuisance at best. Please upload these races in full length. You might not be aware of it, but this is youtube, not TV. I can fast forward myself, if I want to
Best Americas cup race ever. Blow my mind.
Great match racing at its best.
This is the best sailing Race i've ever watched hands down!
I remember watching this and thinking this is the best America’s Cup I have ever seen.
I'm sure I get that feeling EVERY cup though? It's just constantly evolving and changing!
Great to watch the final race in 1983 too. That whole regatta was an amazing story.
It still is the best racing. It doesn't 'seem' exciting but it really is extraordinary.
@@rabidbigdog today's race was pretty extraordinary, too!
Foils and catamarans are fun to watch for a while but this is REAL sailing.
Both is real sailing.
It’s all sailing, it’s just the foiling takes far more skill
Well...that's the best match race I've ever seen
This was yacht racing at its finest.
I remember watching it live on tv......i could not hold my breath.. to be fair up until today every time I watch it back... that was real america's cup.
SUI 100 was the design pinnacle of this class.
Missing these races. Glorious sailing.
bring these beauties back
I couldn’t agree with you more, this is real sailing
They haven't gone anywhere, there's hundreds of these races all around the world.
One of the best races in AC history. I wish they'd go back to these boats.
No. But yes that was a good race
@@georise922 would much rather see these over the AC75
What if when the actual racing starts and the weather's to settled for enough race days, we're as the previous boats could have raced
@@KnowledgePerformance7 definitely no those 12 meter are boring af
@@Alakwe the big problem to me is close usage of the rules is impossible, they use imaginary boxes to determine fouled rules instead of heading another boat up, it's not a match race if you can't control the other boat
Unbelievable race, exciting each time watching. Not one team but yachting is winner!
Une régal , rien a voir avec la Parda cup où franchement il ne se passe rien. Ici se sont de belles manœuvres , de l'esprit d'equipe et de sportivité . Un temps maintenant révolu. Sick !!
I feel there is far more skill and tactics in this racing and yes, I like spinnakers.
There are way more chances for errors that allow a pass
More team work for sure. Less driving, after the start at least. Damn sure better than that A. C. 33 crap.
Yep. First time in 40 years I'm not really even following the ac. No passing, no pre start, no lead changes, no spinikers, sail changes etc I've never been bored watching slow sailing but incredibly the faster it is the less interesting it is.
I played this at 2x speed and it was still to slow
Wow look at those boats... snail-paced compared to today ^^
The starts in those old races were insanely exciting. Love the new boats but it’s like 20-20 cricket versus test match cricket. Almost different sports.
But this is still sailing and not flying. There are more people involved in the sailing process and it seems that this is more challenging.
I miss these kinds of races. Exciting prestarts, sailchanges, closequarters racing.
@@GypseyGuy I absolutely agree with you, however, compared to todays races they look like classic oldtimers, more like the J Class :-)
@@x40xandus Flying the boats is obviously far more challenging
That was sailing!
Fantastic, a sailing Masterpiece, never seen anything like this
The americas cup needs to be like this again. The foils are cool but the sailing sucks.
I disagree. The foiling boats is making the sport more spectator friendly and is attracting new fans. But I do think it’s time for the AC to have classes or divisions. A Foiling/technology class and a Classic class. As long as these large mono haul yachts aren’t lost or destroyed, the teams came come back with them. For each AC there will be different classes to win.
We want this ships again!
viva monohulls!
It is not possible to have a race like this with the current boats. I love the foiling boats. They are a marvel of engineering and watching them sail is incredible. But you can't match race them. The only thing that matters is staying of the foils. There is no recovery from mistakes and there is no real need for racing tactics outside of the prestart.
Has there been a single close match race with these sorts of tactical lead changes since they started foiling?
Edit: I stand somewhat corrected. There have been some fantastic races in the Challenger series for AC36. Maybe it's the multi hulls that cause poor racing not the foils. Not being able to easily tack means they just sailed boundary to boundary. The AC75s don't lose much in tacks so they can fight a bit more.
yes. - To be honest though most of the 12m racing wasn’t that close either.
What boat did they use in 2007
I love the old races like this also. If the modern foiling boats DO stay on the foils, as they usually do nowadays, they are match racing to an extent, just at a much higher speed. My problem with the modern boats is how hard it is to overtake once a boat gains a lead at the first mark - though it does happen occasionally.
Great race with so many emotions...
Wow! What an awesome race!
I knew what how it ends and my heart was still pumping... If only they'd held off the penalty for another 10 meters. But one of the best AC races ever.
Watching the Americas Cup for the very first time this year because I am here in Barcelona. But while absolutely amazed with the technology, watching this footage, I question wasn´t it so much more interesting back then? With such a large crew. Incredible to compare it to the 8 people & full carbon foil boats or rather UFO`s nowadays.
Incredible. Amazing how many crew mistakes lost this series for Team New Zealand. People blame Dean Barker but it really comes back to all those spinnaker issues.
How so, Team NZ was constantly better on downwind anyway.
@@12345fowlerthey had spinnaker issues in four races, all of which they lost.
@@StuMcKinlay I hear you but they consistantly had beaten Alinghi on downwind, so they seemed to have had the main lost upwind not downwind.
A Photo-Finish with this style racing is unheard of
Now that is a match race! Bring those back.
Valencia was the best AC ever; plenty of teams, competing on more equal terms. Shame we screwed it up.
That was an outstanding race.
This was absolutely fukn heartbreaking
Proper match sailing
These boats were true so-called boats, with sails, spinnakers and a crew on board that counted as a small town! Kiwis won the recent Auld Mug so, if they want to come back to the roots of sailing, they just have to ask 🏆
I miss these boats.
Yup, was exciting stuff!
Brilliant - remembering the 1992 and 1995 cup races in SD - what has AC become with these new boats
It was the last real America's Cup with real sailboats and crews of real sailors performing real manoeuvres...
Today the America's Cup is dead...
This is soooo much better sport than today's push button barges. *sigh*
Bring back the monohulls!
they are coming back mate
Unfortunately they're coming back with hydrofoils.
rayguns910 This is boring compared to foiling
@@scotthamilton6062 You will never see matchracing like this on foils. Not even with the moth. Speed might be faster but that's about it. No strategy needed anymore.
@@philrc124 less aggressive moves but sailgp with the 50 foot foiling cats showed some great moves that was very spectacular to watch
Greatest photofinish 🤗😍♥️
Éstas luchas titánicas con colosales competidores (defensor y desafiante) algún día las volveremos a ver, cuando el romance reviva y con ello venza al afán por los presentes avances tecnológicos que nos someten a precoces carreras sin contiendas ni por la posición en la línea de partida ni al largo de una pierna. Espero con ansias el retorno de épocas románticas dado que ésto es el fundamento de los Defensores y desafiantes de la América de las 100 guineas.
Good times, when sailing was real sailing
Yes, I too miss the races between boats . . . sail boats, not foil boats. This is so much more exciting than the current races going on now btwn NZ and Italy.
Nah it’s good to see quicker than walking pace
@@cordlxze9559 I must admit I neeed to take back my comment after the last two races. The A75's are pretty amazing and FAST! I guess I miss sailing without all this technology stuff thrown in. Congrats to Aotaroa!
The boats were close in speed, but alinghi seemed to have a slight edge upwind. I think this was to do with the hull shape, particularly Alinghi's fuller forward sections that seemed to stretch out healed waterline length. Love to hear from anyone that knows more about the designs.
ETNZ afterguard blew that race. They won the start, failed to cover, passed Alinghi, failed to cover up the 2nd beat and then stuffed the penalty.
against that NZ were quicker downwind
As much as we can hate it, foil sailing is here to stay. Don't get me wrong, I love watching the foiling monohulls flying in Barcelona, it's a great show, but they are far from "sailing" the normal people do and can relate to. Seeing this race here, you can see people switching sides, moving to tackle multiple tasks, going up the mast to look at the wind, changing sails, super close match racing (can you imagine the AC75 of today getting so near to each other at 80km/h?).
barker stuffed up the penalty at the end, turned too quick and lost too much speed
The real match race..
Molto più avvincenti, fisiche entusiasmanti queste regate, di quelle attuali. Quando la tecnologia supera il limite, è in grado di snaturare anche lo sport più divertente!
I was on the water watching this. We were at the top mark when they dialled down. Alinghi stuffed them on that mark for sure.
That was a real match racing! Tactics not just speed on foils. AC 75 is like F1 and unfortunately the same level of emotions.
Can you please upload the 33rd edition of the Americas cup
Where did the Match Race in modern America's cup end up?
The tactics by NZL are maddening
AC 75 boats amazingly fast, but not a single race has yet matched the compelling drama of these races by the earlier class boats.
Wow, not for the faint of heart! 😱
This is sailing
You get closer than that . 👏
That was awesome
Fantastic suspense.
I watched this on the 23rd March 2021, without knowing the who actually won it and boy... was my heart pounding !!
When sailing is at its best. Bring back the monohulls
1:45 It seems strange that their sails always seem to be in a close-hauled position, even when they make substantial changes in heading?
Tacking down wind must try that, normally l would soak down directly in my dunger
Relative wind is your answer
The remote control versions race on
What a finish !!! 😱😰😅👍
Current AC is an indicator of our times all about entertainment with no substance. It attracts people that know nothing about the art of match racing, killed all sailing schools that started MR programs because of AC75 and moved the purpose trophy from sailing to football.
Damn that was good .
Here we are again. N. Z. Vs Italy. 1 race away from winning for N. Z. 16 March 2021.
So much more interesting than what is happening in AC racing today.
@Rob like the civil war cosplay guys and gals.
Watched all seven races. Can’t figure out why the NYYC is handing keys to their AC challenge to Deano and Terry Hutch
So much better than the new foiling boats. THIS is exciting, not having a race be decided in the first few minutes or leg because someone was going 10 knots when the other is going 40. I want to watch a chess match depending on team coordination and tactics, not two fire crackers, wondering which one will be a dud.
Terry Hutchings & Dean Barker, leading, then losing yacht race ,in 2007
Dean Barker & Terry Hutchings, leading, then disaster,-------------, in 2021
That's proper sailing.
I keep seeing ppl saying this is sailing, not the new AC, I know nothing about this world, but i have been loving Sail GP and i found the AC from that and also the f1 connection. But it has made me go bk and watch all the old AC stuff, as well as watch all the new AC from the start. What im trying to say is there are new ppl like myself loving the sport old and new and new. And that can't be a bad thing.
What happened to Switzerland (SUI) ?
NZ went through that penalty too early at the end, if they waited a couple of seconds more there would have been a race 8. Still, not as anguish inducing as 2013, but it still was a pretty depressing day
I don't understand this logic. Doing a 270° is going to cost you the same 100 meters from the line or on the line if the wind is the same. Are you arguing the wind was not the same ?
Is that Jimmy Spithill commentating?
I think so!
Yea buzzy
- good job!
Cats can not compete, this is AC racing at its best
Last race that Barker sailed since then down hill
Good sailing times
Dai Forza ragazzi💪💪💪💪❤️🌜❤️🌜❤️🌜❤️🌜❤️🌜❤️
I like it
Great racing buts it’s like those Formula 1 drivers running to their cars at the prestart lol
Never say die Team NZ
team nz should have done their 360 right next to the line so theres no need for speed.
Nice to watch some real tactics not foiling bs
what is the vid quality? is it the 70ies?
2007
I'd rather have these boats than what we saw today with the foil boats, there's no passing on them.
Saw it today though.
This is real sailing and not the rubbish they do now
Can someone explain how this is exciting to watch?
Firstly you have to be a boomer or a purist gatekeeper, then you have to have your rose-tinted glasses on and then try and extrapolate this 1 close race out as if the entire series was this close.
Slow motion sailing
Well it's how it has been done since the age of time. Think about how the primitive Indonesians conqueered the Pacific Islands thousend of years ago. Plus your "slow" motion is not really accurate. 5 MPH is fast for snail for instance, if you can see one going that fast I mean.
Questa è la Coppa America,fughe tra le barche del pubblico, scontri tra barche, gara a pochi centimetri di distanza, marinai che alzano e abbassano le vele che si rompono. Imprevisto puro!Oggi quegli affari in regata stanno distanti tra di loro, i marinai stanno fermi e pedalano, il mare deve essere piatto o quasi, ma dove è l'adrenalina, è tutto uno schifo.
Barker messed up twice top mark should have followed Alingi and in the penalty did not wait fo rthe line
Multihulls, foils and speed killed match racing.
This is AC not today
I still feel the pain as a Kiwi. Dean Barker should have been sacked then as skipper. I'm sorry but he just was a chocker in my opinion. I could never do what he can do with a boat but he gets paid to win and for the amount of times he skippered to win ratios. Goodbye Dean
Great to be able to see these races again, but the cuts in the video are a nuisance at best. Please upload these races in full length.
You might not be aware of it, but this is youtube, not TV. I can fast forward myself, if I want to
I bet that last win put more sweat than a final world chest game.
they cut out the ad breaks. this was ch1 NZ
Wow
Dean Barker mmmm not taking full advantage at the start, I bit of a common story here
Wow. the tacking duels, the grinders, etc. just everything. Today's kevlar contraptions with a crew of 4. Zzzzzz.
barker just makes too many mistakes tactically. you can't afford basic mistakes at this level. not surprised he was dropped by etnz