His longevity stats are tainted with PEDs. I understand that he is a once in generation athlete but he’s been using PEDs in the back end of his career to help his recovery. I find it amusing that nobody finds it fishy that a 39 year old and his 21 season of mileage is more athletic then his own child in college.
@@ryanb9305 PEDs don’t improve your basketball skills homie. You can take all the drugs in the world, U still gotta be able to put the ball in the basket. NBA IS TOP 400 PLAYERS ON THE PLANET
Bingo! Now he's in a mad rush to save face any kind of way he can 😂😂😂 no one is calling him the GOAT but himself. He's fake and phony just like the times we living in! Just call yourself Jesus, he made up as well. And MJ you should let them call you Jesus no kind of way. Jesus was made up by the Roman's to hide the truth from us! I call him jeebus crisscrossumup 😂
@@coryyoung1857 ... Lies, Lebron changed his focus when he missed his window. Getting to a championship is a long road, no doubt. The difference between winning and loosing is miles apart...
Lebron clearly puts stats over winning. If he didn't he would only be taking about 15 shots a game and playing consistent defensive and not load managing on and off the court
Exactly, LeBron could have been an all time great defender, a really efficient offensive player, good teammate and setting guys up, and probably won as many rings as MJ, instead he wanted to dominate the ball, force everyone else to guard his position, then pretend he did all the work in the end. It's sad really LeBron easily could have averaged 21 13 10 2 2 For his career would be more impressive than his 27 7 7 1.5 and .8 😂 That .8 blocks says alot about his defensive presence on the court, 6'9 'guards all 5 positions' yet doesn't even average 1 block per game for his career. Larry bird averages more rebounds and blocks than the physical specimen LeBron hames
People fail to realize, especially LeBron fans. That the longer LeBron plays without winning anything the more it’s actually hurting his legacy not helping. Michael Jordan is the GOAT not because we say he is, but because he showed us he is.💯
Even when jordan came back to the wizards, he played like trash, but he was slowly working his way back into shape and averaging numbers just below kobe and tmac that 1st. He didn't come back to a stacked team and joined the worst team in league and was bringing them to the playoffs before the knee injury finished him. Even then he tried playing on it to horrible effect before shutting it down for the season. The man was the goat
Correct. Ironically, Lebron's longevity is his "best" argument and it also works against him simultaneously. He's supposedly played at a superstar level years longer than anyone, playing on hand-picked stacked teams, and only has 3 real championships to show for it? That's embarrassing, quite honestly
@@Kr4v3rd that's the respect MJ will get and Lebum will never get. That's the prime reason the LEbum fans dont understand he will never be the goat. MJ did it the hard way just like many playes before him and evan Kobe. LBJ just played in Superteams al his live except the first Cavs period. I must give him props he got the cavs to the finals and lost. but back then the East was the Least. "You see how I played with the words"
That free throw differential is wild. Im a Lakers fan since 99 but I can't stand LeBron's antics. I tried to get onboard when he signed but the constant bitching at the refs and putting zero effort into defence is unwatchable. Throw in having zero loyalty to any of his teammates. He'll throw them under the bus in the blink of an eye if it means it means he doesn't have to be accountable for any struggles the Lakers have. LeBron and his fans act like it's his birthright to win titles and be in the playoffs. He's the most thinned skinned superstar the NBA has ever had. His hourglass tweet before the deadline. What a classless clown. I hope he goes to Philly in the offseason and the Lakers can begin a rebuild. AD can go with him and well take Maxey.
He's not a Laker. He's a faker. I tried in the beginning too, but Le 🤡 doesn't care about our Laker tradition. He self glossed himself as goat, but he's not even in the 🐐 conversation with intelligent people who know basketball.
bro i know, this guy has his hands up to complain after everything. no loyalty, no sportsmanship. and everyone rides his dick. Glad my jersey says Kobe on it..
@@scorpionJByep what’s hysterical is he did his passive aggressive tweeting, wearing the knicks color, wore their towel after the game, had Rich Paul meet with the Knicks GM and the Lakers finally didn’t bat an eye and made zero moves bc they know he’s washed😂
Lebron being an unselfish player is the biggest lie ever told. He dominates the ball and has to play his way so he can fill the stat sheet, which means he has to lead the team in scoring and passing, not letting others fulfill those roles more effectively. What would be unselfish is if he let everyone have a role besides standing around and letting Lebron do everything on offense, while they do everything on defense. There’s a reason his championships only came on super teams and even then, he still underachieved. His dominance of the ball creates great individual numbers and underperforming teams
That's what Lebron fans don't understand. MJ and Kobe for example led their team in scoring and shot attempts but they also allowed teammates to be the main contributors in other categories. This created team balance and led to more winning. Lebron is a glorified stat getter. Not a glorified winner
But but but... he makes his teammates better! Lebron is a "playmaker" can't you see it in his stats?!?! He just needs people to "do their job" It isn't him... its the "others" Or... maybe he is the problem 🤔
@@drosales43 He is the " PROBLEM ", what is his position through out most of his career? A forward, and as a forward assist isn't a stat that position should aim for, it's points and rebound, he took the position as a forward but plays as a point guard in the team so he can get more " stats " to be an all rounder, it may work before as he has " great help " from players like Wade, Kyrie, Bosh and Love also as he was younger, now his system doesn't work anymore and all the sudden it's from " he makes his teammates better " to " LBJ need more help....again! " while he said himself...." I always make the right play " so it's always his teammates that need " to do their job ". what a joke.
The complete reversal of reality is astounding. Lebron is a better all around player than Kobe and Jordan, and thus he leads his team in more categories and you turn that into a NEGATIVE. 🤣🤣 That’d be like me saying Kobe averaging 36ppg hurt his team. There’s no logic, it’s completely backwards
@@gggyy7104bro just stop. People get on here and clearly have no understanding of basketball. You can tell lmao. LBJ is the best fuckin player on your team whenever he comes to a team, of course you’re going to play a style that compliments his game while making others immensely better. What was he supposed to defer and play through fuckin Kevin Love or Chris Bosh. Be fuckin for real here, that’s how I know they just yappin to discredit this man any chance they get.
He easily has the best quotes of all-time, from great hits as - playoff mode activated - storm is coming - bring that same energy - not 1, not 2….😂😂and many more😂😂
Has anyone else noticed how Russell Westbrook came back to being an amazing player when he got away from Lebron? Great player before Lebron, horrendous player and blamed for everything wrong with the Lakers while on Lebron’s team, then back to great player after getting away from Lebron. Lebron is a career killer for stars that go play on his team because he only knows how to play one way, be ball dominant and pad his stats.
@@talldreamyopposum - I have said it for years…but LBJ fans seem to think he faced “greats” without help, yet failed to acknowledge Kobe did the same but won
@@riotordiet9154Kobe did not THAT Spurs team Lebron played. They had not yet drafted Kawhi, and if we are talking about 07, be fuckin for real here. Nobody was winning no MF finals with Eric Snow and Larry Hughes as starters. You all literally do not know ball, just hating to hate for no good reason.
Michael Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen 84-85 38-44..First round exit 85-86. 30-52..First round exit 86-87. 40-42...First round exit 01-02. 37-45..out of playoffs 02-03. 37-45..out of playoffs LeBron james carried an absolutely horrific 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers team to the nba finals In the modern NBA era (post 1960) only nine NBA top 75 players have won a championship without another top 75 player as a teammate Rick Barry (1975) Bill Walton (1977) Hakeem Olajuwon (1994) Tim Duncan (2005) (2007) Kobe Bryant (2009) (2010) Steph Curry (2015) (2022) LeBron james (2016) Kawhi Leonard (2019) Giannis Antetokounmpo (2021) As you can see, LeBron James is on the list and Michael Jordan isnt Lebron james has won 17 playoff series, without an nba top 75 teammate. Michael Jordan won ZERO In the year before Michael Jordan and LeBron James joined their team and the year after they left their team, their records were 83-84 bulls 27-55 84-85 bulls. 38-44 92-93 bulls 57-25 93-94 bulls 55-27 98-99 bulls 13-37 without Scottie Pippen 00-01 wizards 19-63 01-02 wizards. 37-45 02-03 wizards 37-45 03-04 wizards 25-57 02-03 cavaliers 17-65 03-04 cavaliers 35-47 09-10 cavaliers 61-21 10-11 cavaliers 19-63 09-10 heat. 47-35 10-11 heat 58-24 14-15 heat 37-45 2013-14 cavaliers 33-49 2014-15 cavaliers 53-29 2017- 18 cavaliers 50-32 2018-19 cavaliers 19-63 2017-18 lakers. 35-47 2018-19 lakers were 20-14 when LeBron James got injured on Christmas day. As you can see When LeBron James joins a team, the team improves more than Michael Jordan and when LeBron James leaves a team, the team always goes into the tank. Michael Jordan, excluding the 94-97 seasons, when the NBA moved the three point line to 22 feet, was a career 28% three point shooter. LeBron James is a career 34% three point shooter Michael Jordan was a great defensive player, in an Era where you could handcheck. Playing defense is much easier when you can handcheck. For nearly 6'9 250 LeBron James' entire career he wasn't afforded the opportunity to handcheck. THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR..LEBRON JAMES IS THE GOAT!!!!! I have added a Postscript So many have replied, that LeBron james didn't make the playoffs his first two years and Jordan did. What they fail to say is, in 1985, 16 of 23 teams made the playoffs. In 2004, 16 of 29 teams made the playoffs. It was MUCH EASIER. Perfect example is the 1985 86 bulls went 30-52 and made the playoffs and the 2004 05 cavaliers went 42-40 and did not make the playoffs. Also, I don't know, possibly, maybe, Jordan had a HUGE ADVANTAGE considering he played three years of college basketball and LeBron James was 19 years old, and straight out of high school
have you seen lebrons drives? he has no bag, he just charges into the defender and the refs allow him to run people over. Lebron Lame Ass Era almost over😭🙏🏻
Michael Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen 84-85 38-44..First round exit 85-86. 30-52..First round exit 86-87. 40-42...First round exit 01-02. 37-45..out of playoffs 02-03. 37-45..out of playoffs LeBron james carried an absolutely horrific 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers team to the nba finals In the modern NBA era (post 1960) only nine NBA top 75 players have won a championship without another top 75 player as a teammate Rick Barry (1975) Bill Walton (1977) Hakeem Olajuwon (1994) Tim Duncan (2005) (2007) Kobe Bryant (2009) (2010) Steph Curry (2015) (2022) LeBron james (2016) Kawhi Leonard (2019) Giannis Antetokounmpo (2021) As you can see, LeBron James is on the list and Michael Jordan isnt Lebron james has won 17 playoff series, without an nba top 75 teammate. Michael Jordan won ZERO In the year before Michael Jordan and LeBron James joined their team and the year after they left their team, their records were 83-84 bulls 27-55 84-85 bulls. 38-44 92-93 bulls 57-25 93-94 bulls 55-27 98-99 bulls 13-37 without Scottie Pippen 00-01 wizards 19-63 01-02 wizards. 37-45 02-03 wizards 37-45 03-04 wizards 25-57 02-03 cavaliers 17-65 03-04 cavaliers 35-47 09-10 cavaliers 61-21 10-11 cavaliers 19-63 09-10 heat. 47-35 10-11 heat 58-24 14-15 heat 37-45 2013-14 cavaliers 33-49 2014-15 cavaliers 53-29 2017- 18 cavaliers 50-32 2018-19 cavaliers 19-63 2017-18 lakers. 35-47 2018-19 lakers were 20-14 when LeBron James got injured on Christmas day. As you can see When LeBron James joins a team, the team improves more than Michael Jordan and when LeBron James leaves a team, the team always goes into the tank. Michael Jordan, excluding the 94-97 seasons, when the NBA moved the three point line to 22 feet, was a career 28% three point shooter. LeBron James is a career 34% three point shooter Michael Jordan was a great defensive player, in an Era where you could handcheck. Playing defense is much easier when you can handcheck. For nearly 6'9 250 LeBron James' entire career he wasn't afforded the opportunity to handcheck. THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR..LEBRON JAMES IS THE GOAT!!!!! I have added a Postscript So many have replied, that LeBron james didn't make the playoffs his first two years and Jordan did. What they fail to say is, in 1985, 16 of 23 teams made the playoffs. In 2004, 16 of 29 teams made the playoffs. It was MUCH EASIER. Perfect example is the 1985 86 bulls went 30-52 and made the playoffs and the 2004 05 cavaliers went 42-40 and did not make the playoffs. Also, I don't know, possibly, maybe, Jordan had a HUGE ADVANTAGE considering he played three years of college basketball and LeBron James was 19 years old, and straight out of high school
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 Oh,? and for his first two years, LeBron din''t even make into the play-offs. 🤣 While MJ with a sub-par Chicago team lost to stacked teams. LeFlop CARRIED no one... He WAS carried all the time by bunch of All-Star/future HoF teammates. And even then - he lost more, than he won... 👎👎👎
The Eastern Conference was a Joke the majority of Lebron's Career. Jordan got his Bulls to the playoffs only to be to be destroyed by the great Boston Celtics of the 80s who had 5 Hall of Famers on their team. Imagine Lebron having to deal with The Spurs and Lakers of the early to mid 2000s. He'd get his ass swept all the same.@@vicepresidentmikepence889
Lebron has had far greater performances than mj he's the better player winning finals is a team thing and LeBron despite being on amazing teams he has also faced some of the greatest teams ever and the greatest team to ever set foot on the court
@@imanamerican553Bron assembled super teams on multiple occasions and despite those advantages he still lost multiple times in the finals. All Lebron’s fault.
@seagull2175 2003-2010 no one 2011 Chris bosh and Wade(lebron is one kf the reasons they los) 2012 Chris bosh and Dwyane Wade 2013 old Chris bosh and wade 2014 no one both Chris and bosh were old and injured 2015 Kevin love and kyrie are injured 2016 3-1 comeback in the finals lebron lead in all 5 main stats (first tiem in nba history 2017 lebron Kevin and kyrie againt arguably the greatest team in nba history lebron had a 33.3 triple double(first player in nba history to average a triple double in the finals) 2018 lebron had the greatest playoff performance in nba history and faced the exact same team in 2017 but with old Kevin love and no kyrie 2019-2024 ad
I have a question for LeBron, Who is the better boxer a guy with the most Jabs, Hooks etc.... Or the guy who holds the belt and defends it multiple times and with KO's???
I think it's Tyson personally. Best Wide receiver of all time? Randy Moss. Best basketball player of all time, Michael Jordan @@vicepresidentmikepence889
Funnily enough, your comment atests to Jordans greatness rather than detests it. Jordan's literally represents the best of both sides of the Marciano and Ali comparison. He boasts the greatest prime out of every player in nba history, similar to Ali boasting the greatest prime, and is undefeated in the finals similar to how Rocky was undefeated throughout his career. Lebron on the other hand boasts neither, and with the amount of pointless years he spends in the league it only builds up the argument that he's only successful because he's been in the league for so long. @@vicepresidentmikepence889
These are direct quotes by a Lebron fan from yesterday from another video: "4-6 isn't a losing record in basketball"; "A 4-6 record in basketball is better than a 4-6 record in football". Dude didn't know that being under .500 is in fact a losing record. Lebron's 4-6 Finals record: 40%. 4-6 football record: 40%. Lebron's 22-33 game-by-game Finals record....40%. Dude didn't know that 40% is not better than 40%--it's equal. This is unbelievable delusion at its absolute finest.
@@killershark84 I've seen them before, and they're impressive. It's just that his +/- in the Finals nor longevity stats make him the GOAT in a lot of people's opinion. But yes killershark, the guy does put up numbers.
No Goat in any sport has a losing record in championship games/series. That fact alone disqualifies him from the Goat conversation. Him saying that is his way of justifying it in his head. Or he's just flat stupid. Or both.
Lebron was good enough to come right out of high school though? Why the fuck would he have wasted his time playing inferior basketball 🤷🏾♂️ He was pro ready really at 17 if we’re being honest.
@@cardzbmurkin08 His body was ready. To this day he has limited post game, no mid range whatsoever (under 37% for his career), travels all over the floor and creates turnovers like no superstar ever before. I think he SHOULD have gone to college just to experience for once how it feels to accept playing in a system instead of trying to be the system. One of the reasons he subs himself in and out as he pleases and everybody not named Ty Lue or Spoelstra accepted this.
@@allpraisestothemosthigh9418 don’t get buck with me ,. I don’t care about this Goat debate shit.. In actuality it’s just somebody opinions.. yall be getting worked up for nothing.
@@cardzbmurkin08 KG and Ray Allen were at the end of his prime. Lebron and Bosh are on their prime when they joined the Heat. That's slightly different.
They all want to win. Having the best team generally gets the job done. Just ask Jordan. LeBron made it clear he is his own man and won't be controlled by team owners. Different upbringing thing I guess. The arguments are completely absurd. @@randellllarena7525
Its not that other guys sacrificed stats, its more that they were committed to playing their role on the team. They werent trying to do everything and have the ball in their hands every play to get all the stats. Kobe and MJ were 2 guards not points, so they werent bringing the ball uo every possession and orchestrating the offense. They would go to their spots and run the set and let the pg do his job. And on a missed shot they would just box out their man and let their centers and forwards get the rebounds. This meane everyone has a defined job on the team that keeps them engaged the entire time. Its a much better way to play than how stat hogs today try to do things.
Obviously, you did not watch MJ before, Scottie, Phil and Rodman etc. And did not watch Kobe after Shaq and Pau, that is exactly how they played. Kyrie was taking more shots than LBJ.
@@ronharris9829 they only played thst way when that was the role they were asked to do. At thise times they had coaches who had no other ideas but to have them with the ball constantly. But whenever they had a new coach and he asked them to do a new role, that's what they did. Stat hogs today do the same thing no matter the coach or system because it's about them not the team.
Yea I liked LeBron James too UNTIL he started losing too much. LeBron James started his career with TWO CONSECUTIVE series losses in the NBA Finals (2007, 2011). LeBron James is the All-Time Leader in TURNOVERS (over 5,100)! And LeBron James is tied with Jerry West for losing the most career games in NBA Finals history, with 33 losses.
Do you have any clue how dumb you sound? Tom Brady has three super bowl losses. Trent Dilfer has 0. Tom Brady has 212 career interceptions. Trent Dilfer has 129, so I guess Trent Dilfer is a better player than Tom Brady😂😂
People don't like him in general not because he is losing, but because he is losing and still wants to have the title of the greatest. His career is decent, 4 rings is decent, it is decent but not great considering the team hopping and super teaming. Not even belonging to top 10 great. If LBJ accepts this reality with humility, he wouldn't be hated this much.
Just imagine, after Jordan was beaten by Celtics and then Pistons several years in a row, he left Chicago and either join Barkley's Suns Or Drexler's Blazers, and persuaded either Chris Webber or Shawn Kemp to join the same team, and won two Championships and FMVPs, then was beaten by Dream, so he left the team again and won two more championships in other two teams, would anyone still consider him the goat? Absolutely no way! He won't be in the conversation at all! So why would Lebron be in the conversation of who is the goat!
He want to talk about stats? MJ’s 10 scoring titles for one!! It’s a TEAM sport. Individual stats alone are not the metric. It’s team success which is measured in CHAMPIONSHIPS. Period.
Dude had more top 75 players and hall of fames on his team than any other player in modern history! Come on man this argument is ridiculous and move the goal post behind every other legend before him
@@manwerama During the 1960s, the Celtics was a super-team which won 9 championships in one decade. The one ring they didn't win was denied to them by Chamberlain's team, and the teams that gave the Celtics the most trouble were consistently Wilt's teams. He wrecked his knee in the 69-70 season, after which he focused almost entirely on defense, but even if he wasn't the most valuable player in the Lakers' 72 championship, advanced stats had him leading the league in Defensive Win Shares in both the regular season and the playoffs. In the three seasons of his career for which the league has stats for available rebounds, which are also the three seasons he played on a busted knee, and in the playoffs he led the league in total rebound percentage every year. Those seasons are also his worst rebounding seasons. At worst, ignoring his offensive qualities, Wilt was a 7'1" Dennis Rodman with a wingspan out of this world. His defense was similar to Victor Wembanyana, in that he didn't have to interfere with the shooter, he could block (and grab) the ball in the air. At best, in the 67 championship, Wilt did everything - led the league in both Offensive and Defensive Win Shares, in PER, in rebounds, in FG percentage (68%!) while dishing out 7.8 assists and playing 45.5 minutes per game.
A story of player empowerment policy of the NBA. From the marketing and branding standpoint: Storyline of the NBA used to be about winners and winner attitude (stories about MJ and Kobe focusing on winning mentality and spreading positive messages to the viewers) and now storyline is about the freak show athletes and that's the branding approach and the state of the current NBA (reason why media dont like Jokic). Lebron James is just a byproduct of that marketing and branding strategy. Was this branding change a good business strategy? Would love to see a video discussing this topic, keep up the great videos btw, your hard work pays off!!!
If Kobe or MJ loses to a team via sweep, expect them to slave themselves during the summer. They won't come to the press conference wearing a fake cast in the arm or blabber about retirement.
To prove your point all one would need to do is look at the work MJ put in after he was swept by Bird twice and beaten by the Bad Boy Pistons. Every year he came back stronger and better to try and get over that hump.
Micheal is the best. Period. Funny thing is most men who were kids in the 90’s knew that mike was not the most approachable and kind person. He was not like Penny or or even Scottie. He was serious and killer. Even so, we respected him bc of the eye test. We didn't need stats and all these weird stats of today to see what was happening. We didn't need him to be nice and have an entertaining personality. We knew who he was, but his SKILLS spoke for him. Personally, I love KJ and David Robinson and Ewing!
Notice most people do exactly what you did? You saw those players and crowned who you saw as the greatest. There was a greatest before Jordan. Jordan didn't do anything to pass him. But he got replaced because the older generation got replaced. So their guy became the guy. This is how it is in basketball only basketball. Baseball doesn't replace Babe Ruth. We are probably similar in age. I know LeBron isn't anything great or special that said neither was Jordan. But the NBA is about making money and jordan was popular and equaled profit. NBA will change how it referees games to make those players look better all for profit.
@@mrskinszszs how can someone be the goat if they can't beat everyone, they don't hold records, they haven't changed the game or done something we have never seen before? The only change he made was from Chuck Taylor's to Jordan's. Yes he had a cultural impact but what about actual play?
@@kenlen8029lmao and I watched Jordan and LeBron and it ain't close, the real argument...is LeBron even the greatest small forward or Larry bird. 2 playoff runs LeBron was the 2nd best player on his own team with the heat behind wade and AD has been the best player on the Lakers. LeBron aint even the goat of his own teams.😂😂😂 Wade is the greatest heat player of all time and Kobe Magic and Kareem and many others are greater lakers. Its a joke.
@@millhousemillard2140I watched both too. I played for a long time also. If you think Bird is there with LeBron that's your business. I am not going to waste time with such nonsense however. I read your post and all I see is a hater who hasn't grown up. Have fun with your emojis and internet squabbles.
@@kenlen8029 inter squabbles says the guy who responded to insult me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I played to but I wouldn't dare say that in an NBA convo 🤣🤣🤣🤣 holy Christ. Larry bird was just as skilled just doesnt have the athleticism and pointing out wade was better in some of those playoff runs and AD was better makes me a hater??? I'll take it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
When MJ came back from retirement, between the end of the regular season and the NBA finals, the Bulls players, coaching staff, media, etc were all saying 72-10 doesn't mean a thing without a ring. I bet if you searched hard enough you could still find the tshirts. The only meaningful stat is what you do when it counts.
@kenlen8029 Yes, and like getting his ass handed to him handily by Dirk. The bad counts just as much as the good. You don't just get to throw away trash performance against a 57 win team because you happen to beat a 73 win team. 73-9 doesn't mean a thing without a ring.
Jordan's had bad moments and I NEVER hear them talked about by Jordan fans. Even when a Jordan fan is blatantly wrong they will never admit it. Actually, I shouldn't say all Jordan fans. Some are objective. It's clear though this whole phony debate is polluted by casual viewers and people who couldn't even name a set being ran during a game. It's a waste of time. They are/were both cream of the crop players. Personally I feel lucky to have witnessed both. The hate directed towards one of them throughout his career is out of line imo. Adults acting like 10 year olds getting mad at a guy doing his job. Maybe all these people lost money gambling or something. @@that1guy487
When people stopped caring about championship, when you teach kids it's okay to lose because I was MVP.... LeBron is okay with this mentality. The participation trophy era
Only 4 times has a player in a season 1 lead the season in point average 2 lead the playoffs in scoring average 3 dpoy 4 season MVP 5 finals MVP. The 4 players were Jordan Jordan Jordan Jordan.
THIS IS WHAT THE LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS COACH SAID JAMES IS ABT STATS JAMES & ADAM SLIVER NEED TO GO ADAM SLIVER MADE NBA ALL ABT LERBON JAMES IT SUCKS 4REAL
Lebron favorable whistle = Refs skewing the games results in his favor Jordan favorable whistle = Refs not allowing the opposing team to beat the shit out of him in mid air
I agree with everything you're saying. It's one thing when you tear it up, but for example, like Kobe had that garbage team a few years and, no matter what he did, I don't think they were ever going to win it all and no one ever expected them to. If he balls out and puts up monster stats you say he did what he could to drag his team there but it's not enough. Now you Surround a superstar with multiple super stars and depthand people will expect you to win more than lose and you can put up big stats but your team s keep losing so you are not doing what it takes, whether that be how the offense is running, the defense you are playing and knowing when to have that killer instinct to take over big games. If you don't and lose more than you win, you look back and realize alot of those stats don't matter and you find a lot of hallow stats.
@cardzbmurkin08 they are stats that still count towards career stats but don't mean anything people don't really care because they resulted in losses and with stacked teams. And a lot of those points came when the game wasn't on the line and when it was he deferred or disappeared. And what ever he did, it didn't lift his super teams to the top. It's not just about points and stats. It about shut down defense and taking over when you feel the momentum shift and your team is looking for a leader. LeBron is still great and has the best longevity but he's not the goat. Not even close.
He shot the ball a lot because he was the best player to shoot on the team. Something lebron has never been and yet still has most missed shots in nba history that's crazy.
This one Finals when he was down 0-2 in series, James was smiling and bragging he was averaging triple double in Finals. He seemed very happy regardless of they were down.
You learn at an early age that basketball is a team sport and the goal is to win. This is one reason that Wilt doesn't get as much credit for his stats. The NBA and liberal sports media had to find a way to keep the current game relevant so it doesn't seem like the best basketball is behind them, despite low ratings. Foreign talent has created some more interest, but the USA needs someone that is native to promote. Curry would probably have become the face of the league had GS not blown that 3-1 lead in the Finals. If you play this game for 21 years with HOFmers and top 75 players, your bound to win a few chips along the way. The media ignores the negative longevity stats like turnovers and missed attempts.
I always knew stats matter, I’ve been arguing Dirk is as good as MJ since he retired. He’s only 700 points behind MJ. Dirk NEEDS to be in the GOAT convo.
Great video. More proof that when you play the Lakers, it’s a 5 on 8 matchup, and the Lakers are the only team that can call their own fouls. Bron Bron oftentimes gets subbed out when the opposing teams shoot free throws, protecting his +/- percentage. Insecure, narcissistic guy who nobody wants to play with.
Yeah. And remember that the age of chips don't matter is also the age of "load management". Ergo, when LeFlop and his fellow stat-lite compilers bleat about "did my job", it should be emphasized that, mmm, no, actually you did not either. Because 82+playoffs, year in year out, is your actual job. And that's a fact even if you DO LeChoke in the postseason.
The game against the nuggets, lebron sucked the whole 4th quarter and all of a sudden made a "clutch" layup in the final seconds when the game was way out of reach, (gotta keep my 25 ppg average)😂😂😂,
Lukas is not much into defense too. Both would be more valuable playing less minutes but on both sides of the court. Lebron stopped playing real defense many years ago. And its understandable, it costs so much effort and wears down the body. Thats why Jordan had a shorter but much superior career.
Don't talk about their precious hero LeBronze. The guy with the most playoff losses in NBA history. You know, the playoffs, we're winning should matter THE MOST. 😂😂😂
Dude believed he was going to win like Bill Russell. Once he realized it he turned his focus on stats. Anything to try and convince people he's greater than he actually is.
Players like Lebron, Melo,… (and their defenders) allways will build a narrative based on the statistic they over achieve and totally overlook in the ones they under achieve
@@aaa-dk6jrTop ten is still very generous! When you consider fundamentals and intangibles you want in the ideal ideal player, he sticks out like a sore thumb in the top 25 (imho)
Did I hear you say Robert Horry is a potential Hall of Fame player? Not even close. Robert Horry was nothing but a defensive role player who could hit an open 3. He never even started on those Championship teams he was on. His skill set was coveted by Championship teams, but they did not win because of him.
He is for sure hall of famer sorry. The hall of fame doesn't have to be about totals at all or being a started. Manu wasn't a starter, for sure hall of famer. Ben Wallace is a hall of famer mostly not due to his stats but his overall effectiveness on defense.
I'm so happy there are people still understand this. Kobe whole career was about winning chips. His 1 Mvp and his scoring titles and Defensive 1st teams where just by products of his pursuit of that. And ultimately leads to how people wanna use Brons multiple MVPs and Stats to try to prove he's better than Kobe. It's sad to see how people just don't understand if Kobe cared about those awards them he would've went for them but last time a checked being the Leader in scoring and 5 MVPs Doesn't automatically win you championships
He always have hes stat sheet lmao cuz he only cares of him and his stats thats why he'll never be in the top 10 and that time has passed, he had all the tools to do it and change his game and get better and work on his fundamentals and mid range and footwork.
The fact that he lied about that pass is so hilarious. He must be a compulsive liar that just can't help himself. Even Jalen Ramsey came to his show to call him out for capping. Maybe he thought these Arenas don't have cameras. Such an unnecessary lie
The fatal flaw of Bron’s game is that his skill set is so diverse there’s no room for other superstars to really play their full game. Bosh/Wade had to dial their game back for “ball dominant make every play” Bron. KLove became a role player, Kyrie went insane in that environment. Only thing you can do for LeBron is play defense and knock down spot up jumpers. Kinda sucks the air out of the room. He’s ineffective without the ball. A bigger Westbrook. MJ didn’t need the ball he worked without it all the time. Catch and shoot all the time. Playmake as well.
Lebron’s skill set is not diverse at all, in fact it is very limited. He is incapable of playing off-ball and this is why he has to be ball dominant. His athleticism is off the charts but his skills are mediocre at best. If you want someone who actually had basketball skills you only have to look at the likes of Larry Bird or Michael Jordan and actually Kobe was more skilled than either of them.
@@jimmulcahey9312 I’m giving him credit for passing and rebounding as “skills” even though personally I don’t see rebounding as a skill. He can score, pass, and rebound at hall of fame levels. That’s what I mean when I say his skill set is diverse. Agree with everything else you said.
Goats don't tell us they are the Goats. They be it. Patrick Mahomes just captured his third ring last night. "Goat" never once left his mouth throughout his playing career. He just did it. Lebron was crowned the next one, didn't live up to the lofty expectations placed upon him, and now he's struggling to deal with it. He'll go down as a very good player, but not a goat.
All his stats are longevity based. He only has 1 scoring title and 1 assist title in 21 seasons. Hardly impressive
Both less than Russell Westbrook
His longevity stats are tainted with PEDs. I understand that he is a once in generation athlete but he’s been using PEDs in the back end of his career to help his recovery. I find it amusing that nobody finds it fishy that a 39 year old and his 21 season of mileage is more athletic then his own child in college.
@@stealthiscooland Russ got 0 rings
@@ryanb9305 PEDs don’t improve your basketball skills homie. You can take all the drugs in the world, U still gotta be able to put the ball in the basket. NBA IS TOP 400 PLAYERS ON THE PLANET
@@ryanb9305 Yep... 100% The fact that he uses peds and this era is devoid of defense makes his scoring record unimpressive as well
Bron started caring about stats when he seen he was not going to get past 6.
Bingo! Now he's in a mad rush to save face any kind of way he can 😂😂😂 no one is calling him the GOAT but himself. He's fake and phony just like the times we living in! Just call yourself Jesus, he made up as well. And MJ you should let them call you Jesus no kind of way. Jesus was made up by the Roman's to hide the truth from us! I call him jeebus crisscrossumup 😂
Facts tho
LeBron has always thought stats would help him surpass Jordan. And that 10 finals appearances is better than 6-0.
Ong
@@coryyoung1857 ... Lies, Lebron changed his focus when he missed his window. Getting to a championship is a long road, no doubt. The difference between winning and loosing is miles apart...
Lebron clearly puts stats over winning. If he didn't he would only be taking about 15 shots a game and playing consistent defensive and not load managing on and off the court
I’ve said it for a while. Lebrons just a taller Russell Westbrook.
@@paranoia_xo Facts! But at least Westbrook gives 100% on the court.
Exactly, LeBron could have been an all time great defender, a really efficient offensive player, good teammate and setting guys up, and probably won as many rings as MJ, instead he wanted to dominate the ball, force everyone else to guard his position, then pretend he did all the work in the end. It's sad really
LeBron easily could have averaged
21
13
10
2
2
For his career would be more impressive than his 27 7 7 1.5 and .8 😂
That .8 blocks says alot about his defensive presence on the court, 6'9 'guards all 5 positions' yet doesn't even average 1 block per game for his career. Larry bird averages more rebounds and blocks than the physical specimen LeBron hames
@@GtheGreat1I wouldn’t give Westbrook that much credit, he’s never been in a all nba defense, now guys like Jordan that’s a guy who’ll give you 100%
He’s 38 why do yall expect him to be the same defensive player he was in his 20s. If he didn’t put up points n shi yall would call him washed tho
People fail to realize, especially LeBron fans. That the longer LeBron plays without winning anything the more it’s actually hurting his legacy not helping. Michael Jordan is the GOAT not because we say he is, but because he showed us he is.💯
Even when jordan came back to the wizards, he played like trash, but he was slowly working his way back into shape and averaging numbers just below kobe and tmac that 1st. He didn't come back to a stacked team and joined the worst team in league and was bringing them to the playoffs before the knee injury finished him. Even then he tried playing on it to horrible effect before shutting it down for the season. The man was the goat
@@Kr4v3rd He wasn't even in basketball shape. He only unretired a little before the season so he could donate his salary to 9/11 victims' families
Correct. Ironically, Lebron's longevity is his "best" argument and it also works against him simultaneously. He's supposedly played at a superstar level years longer than anyone, playing on hand-picked stacked teams, and only has 3 real championships to show for it? That's embarrassing, quite honestly
@@Kr4v3rd that's the respect MJ will get and Lebum will never get. That's the prime reason the LEbum fans dont understand he will never be the goat. MJ did it the hard way just like many playes before him and evan Kobe. LBJ just played in Superteams al his live except the first Cavs period. I must give him props he got the cavs to the finals and lost. but back then the East was the Least. "You see how I played with the words"
So why dirks 1 ring in 20 years in celebratedc?
That free throw differential is wild. Im a Lakers fan since 99 but I can't stand LeBron's antics. I tried to get onboard when he signed but the constant bitching at the refs and putting zero effort into defence is unwatchable. Throw in having zero loyalty to any of his teammates. He'll throw them under the bus in the blink of an eye if it means it means he doesn't have to be accountable for any struggles the Lakers have. LeBron and his fans act like it's his birthright to win titles and be in the playoffs. He's the most thinned skinned superstar the NBA has ever had. His hourglass tweet before the deadline. What a classless clown. I hope he goes to Philly in the offseason and the Lakers can begin a rebuild. AD can go with him and well take Maxey.
He acts like an entitled beeatch, you can tell he was raised by a single mom.
And he led the lakers to sell out their young core which is atrocious
He's not a Laker. He's a faker. I tried in the beginning too, but Le 🤡 doesn't care about our Laker tradition. He self glossed himself as goat, but he's not even in the 🐐 conversation with intelligent people who know basketball.
bro i know, this guy has his hands up to complain after everything. no loyalty, no sportsmanship. and everyone rides his dick. Glad my jersey says Kobe on it..
@@scorpionJByep what’s hysterical is he did his passive aggressive tweeting, wearing the knicks color, wore their towel after the game, had Rich Paul meet with the Knicks GM and the Lakers finally didn’t bat an eye and made zero moves bc they know he’s washed😂
Lebron being an unselfish player is the biggest lie ever told. He dominates the ball and has to play his way so he can fill the stat sheet, which means he has to lead the team in scoring and passing, not letting others fulfill those roles more effectively. What would be unselfish is if he let everyone have a role besides standing around and letting Lebron do everything on offense, while they do everything on defense. There’s a reason his championships only came on super teams and even then, he still underachieved. His dominance of the ball creates great individual numbers and underperforming teams
That's what Lebron fans don't understand. MJ and Kobe for example led their team in scoring and shot attempts but they also allowed teammates to be the main contributors in other categories. This created team balance and led to more winning.
Lebron is a glorified stat getter. Not a glorified winner
But but but... he makes his teammates better!
Lebron is a "playmaker" can't you see it in his stats?!?!
He just needs people to "do their job"
It isn't him... its the "others"
Or... maybe he is the problem 🤔
@@drosales43 He is the " PROBLEM ", what is his position through out most of his career? A forward, and as a forward assist isn't a stat that position should aim for, it's points and rebound, he took the position as a forward but plays as a point guard in the team so he can get more " stats " to be an all rounder, it may work before as he has " great help " from players like Wade, Kyrie, Bosh and Love also as he was younger, now his system doesn't work anymore and all the sudden it's from " he makes his teammates better " to " LBJ need more help....again! " while he said himself...." I always make the right play " so it's always his teammates that need " to do their job ". what a joke.
The complete reversal of reality is astounding. Lebron is a better all around player than Kobe and Jordan, and thus he leads his team in more categories and you turn that into a NEGATIVE. 🤣🤣 That’d be like me saying Kobe averaging 36ppg hurt his team. There’s no logic, it’s completely backwards
@@gggyy7104bro just stop. People get on here and clearly have no understanding of basketball. You can tell lmao. LBJ is the best fuckin player on your team whenever he comes to a team, of course you’re going to play a style that compliments his game while making others immensely better. What was he supposed to defer and play through fuckin Kevin Love or Chris Bosh. Be fuckin for real here, that’s how I know they just yappin to discredit this man any chance they get.
When LBJ went 0-4 against the Nuggets: “That right there made me the best choker of all time.” 😂
He easily has the best quotes of all-time, from great hits as
- playoff mode activated
- storm is coming
- bring that same energy
- not 1, not 2….😂😂and many more😂😂
LeBron is one of the NBAs all time biggest looser. Who has come in 2nd place more than Bron in the finals.
Fun fact- Lebron has a losing record (below .500) all time vs western conference teams during the playoffs.
@@Trancymind FACTS!!!!
@@Trancymind that's why he is ducking good teams. He will play v hornets but load manage the nuggets
Micheal Jordan has better stats and beat tougher competition.
Michael is the better player but he did not face better comp stop this
@@therea1420Yeah he did
@@Mike_Goldberg jordan would have lost to the 2017 or 2018 warriors
@@therea1420woulda lost to the 2014 spurs too
@@Tayxsupreme first 3 peat teams lose second one tho the bulls probably win
"You play To Win the Game....Hello?" - Herm Edwards
One of the all-time great rants!
PLAYOFFS ??
They crapped on Russ for padding stats, but not Lebron? He’s been the king of it for the past 10 years.
i thought he's only kind of flopping
The king of that and PEDs. He's been doping since the Balco days
And Jordan and Russell Westbrook both have offensive rebounds than LeBron
Has anyone else noticed how Russell Westbrook came back to being an amazing player when he got away from Lebron? Great player before Lebron, horrendous player and blamed for everything wrong with the Lakers while on Lebron’s team, then back to great player after getting away from Lebron. Lebron is a career killer for stars that go play on his team because he only knows how to play one way, be ball dominant and pad his stats.
@@jimmulcahey9312yall will say anything just to say it 😂
Kobe faced the Spurs in their prime and beat them…LBJ faced them on their last legs and were annihilated by record margins. 🤷♂️
Underated comment but facts!!2001,2004,2008
Thats what ive been saying kobe beat the teams lebum lost to in the finals
@@talldreamyopposum - I have said it for years…but LBJ fans seem to think he faced “greats” without help, yet failed to acknowledge Kobe did the same but won
@@riotordiet9154Kobe did not THAT Spurs team Lebron played. They had not yet drafted Kawhi, and if we are talking about 07, be fuckin for real here. Nobody was winning no MF finals with Eric Snow and Larry Hughes as starters. You all literally do not know ball, just hating to hate for no good reason.
@@cardzbmurkin08excuses
Even with the stats LeBron still not in the GOAT debate
Tell that to the LBJ-TQ community.
I bet he cares he's 4-6
@@Kickdoeshit😂😂😂😂😂😂
Michael Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen
84-85 38-44..First round exit
85-86. 30-52..First round exit
86-87. 40-42...First round exit
01-02. 37-45..out of playoffs
02-03. 37-45..out of playoffs
LeBron james carried an absolutely horrific 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers team to the nba finals
In the modern NBA era (post 1960) only nine NBA top 75 players have won a championship without another top 75 player as a teammate
Rick Barry (1975)
Bill Walton (1977)
Hakeem Olajuwon (1994)
Tim Duncan (2005) (2007)
Kobe Bryant (2009) (2010)
Steph Curry (2015) (2022)
LeBron james (2016)
Kawhi Leonard (2019)
Giannis Antetokounmpo (2021)
As you can see, LeBron James is on the list and Michael Jordan isnt
Lebron james has won 17 playoff series, without an nba top 75 teammate. Michael Jordan won ZERO
In the year before Michael Jordan and LeBron James joined their team and the year after they left their team, their records were
83-84 bulls 27-55
84-85 bulls. 38-44
92-93 bulls 57-25
93-94 bulls 55-27
98-99 bulls 13-37 without Scottie Pippen
00-01 wizards 19-63
01-02 wizards. 37-45
02-03 wizards 37-45
03-04 wizards 25-57
02-03 cavaliers 17-65
03-04 cavaliers 35-47
09-10 cavaliers 61-21
10-11 cavaliers 19-63
09-10 heat. 47-35
10-11 heat 58-24
14-15 heat 37-45
2013-14 cavaliers 33-49
2014-15 cavaliers 53-29
2017- 18 cavaliers 50-32
2018-19 cavaliers 19-63
2017-18 lakers. 35-47
2018-19 lakers were 20-14 when LeBron James got injured on Christmas day.
As you can see When LeBron James joins a team, the team improves more than Michael Jordan and when LeBron James leaves a team, the team always goes into the tank.
Michael Jordan, excluding the 94-97 seasons, when the NBA moved the three point line to 22 feet, was a career 28% three point shooter. LeBron James is a career 34% three point shooter
Michael Jordan was a great defensive player, in an Era where you could handcheck. Playing defense is much easier when you can handcheck. For nearly 6'9 250 LeBron James' entire career he wasn't afforded the opportunity to handcheck.
THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR..LEBRON JAMES IS THE GOAT!!!!!
I have added a Postscript
So many have replied, that LeBron james didn't make the playoffs his first two years and Jordan did. What they fail to say is, in 1985, 16 of 23 teams made the playoffs. In 2004, 16 of 29 teams made the playoffs. It was MUCH EASIER. Perfect example is the 1985 86 bulls went 30-52 and made the playoffs and the 2004 05 cavaliers went 42-40 and did not make the playoffs. Also, I don't know, possibly, maybe, Jordan had a HUGE ADVANTAGE considering he played three years of college basketball and LeBron James was 19 years old, and straight out of high school
@@vicepresidentmikepence889you don’t have to create a wall of text to prove Lebron is trash. We are aware. 😂
Pretty easy to score points when no one plays defense anymore.
have you seen lebrons drives? he has no bag, he just charges into the defender and the refs allow him to run people over.
Lebron Lame Ass Era almost over😭🙏🏻
Facts 💯
@@steviechampagnelebron def has a bag. Yall just don’t like how his game looks.
@@Tayxsupremewe don't like the look of his game bc he doesnt have a bag
@@steviechampagneyou know your shit, dude 1 dimensional
The way BronSexuals rate this guy as top 3 is beyond me
Michael Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen
84-85 38-44..First round exit
85-86. 30-52..First round exit
86-87. 40-42...First round exit
01-02. 37-45..out of playoffs
02-03. 37-45..out of playoffs
LeBron james carried an absolutely horrific 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers team to the nba finals
In the modern NBA era (post 1960) only nine NBA top 75 players have won a championship without another top 75 player as a teammate
Rick Barry (1975)
Bill Walton (1977)
Hakeem Olajuwon (1994)
Tim Duncan (2005) (2007)
Kobe Bryant (2009) (2010)
Steph Curry (2015) (2022)
LeBron james (2016)
Kawhi Leonard (2019)
Giannis Antetokounmpo (2021)
As you can see, LeBron James is on the list and Michael Jordan isnt
Lebron james has won 17 playoff series, without an nba top 75 teammate. Michael Jordan won ZERO
In the year before Michael Jordan and LeBron James joined their team and the year after they left their team, their records were
83-84 bulls 27-55
84-85 bulls. 38-44
92-93 bulls 57-25
93-94 bulls 55-27
98-99 bulls 13-37 without Scottie Pippen
00-01 wizards 19-63
01-02 wizards. 37-45
02-03 wizards 37-45
03-04 wizards 25-57
02-03 cavaliers 17-65
03-04 cavaliers 35-47
09-10 cavaliers 61-21
10-11 cavaliers 19-63
09-10 heat. 47-35
10-11 heat 58-24
14-15 heat 37-45
2013-14 cavaliers 33-49
2014-15 cavaliers 53-29
2017- 18 cavaliers 50-32
2018-19 cavaliers 19-63
2017-18 lakers. 35-47
2018-19 lakers were 20-14 when LeBron James got injured on Christmas day.
As you can see When LeBron James joins a team, the team improves more than Michael Jordan and when LeBron James leaves a team, the team always goes into the tank.
Michael Jordan, excluding the 94-97 seasons, when the NBA moved the three point line to 22 feet, was a career 28% three point shooter. LeBron James is a career 34% three point shooter
Michael Jordan was a great defensive player, in an Era where you could handcheck. Playing defense is much easier when you can handcheck. For nearly 6'9 250 LeBron James' entire career he wasn't afforded the opportunity to handcheck.
THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR..LEBRON JAMES IS THE GOAT!!!!!
I have added a Postscript
So many have replied, that LeBron james didn't make the playoffs his first two years and Jordan did. What they fail to say is, in 1985, 16 of 23 teams made the playoffs. In 2004, 16 of 29 teams made the playoffs. It was MUCH EASIER. Perfect example is the 1985 86 bulls went 30-52 and made the playoffs and the 2004 05 cavaliers went 42-40 and did not make the playoffs. Also, I don't know, possibly, maybe, Jordan had a HUGE ADVANTAGE considering he played three years of college basketball and LeBron James was 19 years old, and straight out of high school
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 Oh,? and for his first two years, LeBron din''t even make into the play-offs. 🤣 While MJ with a sub-par Chicago team lost to stacked teams. LeFlop CARRIED no one... He WAS carried all the time by bunch of All-Star/future HoF teammates. And even then - he lost more, than he won... 👎👎👎
@@vicepresidentmikepence889YOUR BOY LeCHOKE GOT HIS ASS KICKED 6 TIMES IN FINALS.... 6 ASS KICKINGS... GOAT MJ 6 FMVPS....PERIOD...
The Eastern Conference was a Joke the majority of Lebron's Career. Jordan got his Bulls to the playoffs only to be to be destroyed by the great Boston Celtics of the 80s who had 5 Hall of Famers on their team. Imagine Lebron having to deal with The Spurs and Lakers of the early to mid 2000s. He'd get his ass swept all the same.@@vicepresidentmikepence889
@@vicepresidentmikepence889GOAT MJ 30 PTS A GAME... 10 ALL DEFENSE TEAMS... YOUR BOY LeCHOKE....TRASH...TRASH....
When you can’t win, you stat pad. 😂
Lebron has had far greater performances than mj he's the better player winning finals is a team thing and LeBron despite being on amazing teams he has also faced some of the greatest teams ever and the greatest team to ever set foot on the court
@@imanamerican553Bron assembled super teams on multiple occasions and despite those advantages he still lost multiple times in the finals. All Lebron’s fault.
@seagull2175
2003-2010 no one
2011 Chris bosh and Wade(lebron is one kf the reasons they los)
2012 Chris bosh and Dwyane Wade
2013 old Chris bosh and wade
2014 no one both Chris and bosh were old and injured
2015 Kevin love and kyrie are injured
2016 3-1 comeback in the finals lebron lead in all 5 main stats (first tiem in nba history
2017 lebron Kevin and kyrie againt arguably the greatest team in nba history lebron had a 33.3 triple double(first player in nba history to average a triple double in the finals)
2018 lebron had the greatest playoff performance in nba history and faced the exact same team in 2017 but with old Kevin love and no kyrie
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@@imanamerican553I love how you gloss over wade and Bosh like they don’t matter lmao
Facts 💯
I have a question for LeBron,
Who is the better boxer a guy with the most Jabs, Hooks etc....
Or the guy who holds the belt and defends it multiple times and with KO's???
I have a question for Jordan
Who is a better boxer
5 loss Muhammad Ali
3 loss Joe Louis
Undefeated Rocky Marciano
I think it's Tyson personally. Best Wide receiver of all time? Randy Moss. Best basketball player of all time, Michael Jordan
@@vicepresidentmikepence889
@@vicepresidentmikepence889ali has more wins than loss...lebron has more loss than wins.
cause he got cleared out in the first round instead of the finals lol@@nanocmeister182
Funnily enough, your comment atests to Jordans greatness rather than detests it. Jordan's literally represents the best of both sides of the Marciano and Ali comparison. He boasts the greatest prime out of every player in nba history, similar to Ali boasting the greatest prime, and is undefeated in the finals similar to how Rocky was undefeated throughout his career.
Lebron on the other hand boasts neither, and with the amount of pointless years he spends in the league it only builds up the argument that he's only successful because he's been in the league for so long.
@@vicepresidentmikepence889
King of padding stats.
How is a stat padder a 4x champ, 4x time finals mvp, 4x time regular season mvp, 3-1 comeback in finals, all time leading scorer.
@@edwinbrown2148 king of turnovers and losses too. lol. and nobody thinks defense when they think lebron. forgot to add flopping too. lmao.
@@edwinbrown2148 4 times in 20 years. Wowwwww.
King of Hollow stats 😂
@edwinbrown2148
These are direct quotes by a Lebron fan from yesterday from another video: "4-6 isn't a losing record in basketball"; "A 4-6 record in basketball is better than a 4-6 record in football". Dude didn't know that being under .500 is in fact a losing record. Lebron's 4-6 Finals record: 40%. 4-6 football record: 40%. Lebron's 22-33 game-by-game Finals record....40%. Dude didn't know that 40% is not better than 40%--it's equal. This is unbelievable delusion at its absolute finest.
Idk if they're snorting crack or copium, or copium on crack. Either way, they are fucking cracked out
I don't like +/- as a stat but go check LBJ's final +/-. you'll be astonished
@@killershark84 I've seen them before, and they're impressive. It's just that his +/- in the Finals nor longevity stats make him the GOAT in a lot of people's opinion. But yes killershark, the guy does put up numbers.
No Goat in any sport has a losing record in championship games/series. That fact alone disqualifies him from the Goat conversation. Him saying that is his way of justifying it in his head. Or he's just flat stupid. Or both.
@@classicman6259 no you didn't see them 😂. If you actually saw them you wouldn't have made that comment because LeBron's +/- in the finals is -86.
Lebrons obsession with being the goat means that he’s not worthy.
Jordan went to college for 4 years as it should be. If you remove King Flops first 4 years, his all time points puts him in 8th place.
3 years. He left UNC after his Jr year
Lebron was good enough to come right out of high school though? Why the fuck would he have wasted his time playing inferior basketball 🤷🏾♂️ He was pro ready really at 17 if we’re being honest.
@@cardzbmurkin08 His body was ready. To this day he has limited post game, no mid range whatsoever (under 37% for his career), travels all over the floor and creates turnovers like no superstar ever before.
I think he SHOULD have gone to college just to experience for once how it feels to accept playing in a system instead of trying to be the system. One of the reasons he subs himself in and out as he pleases and everybody not named Ty Lue or Spoelstra accepted this.
Back then you had to stay at least 3 yrs.
@@thedudeunchained7583 I honestly believe that the three years playing for Dean Smith is a big reason MJ was the player that he was.
Most don’t take Lebron seriously and will never EVER be even close to being considered as the GOAT.
He’s considered the Goat by many..
@@GuyVick yeah the Billy Goat
@@Dapperdan972 lmao
@@GuyVickby many NOT by most kid...pay attention
@@allpraisestothemosthigh9418 don’t get buck with me ,. I don’t care about this Goat debate shit.. In actuality it’s just somebody opinions.. yall be getting worked up for nothing.
LaBron is NOT a Laker! He's a rental! He not even the greatest Laker!
😂😂😂@ rental
I can't believe ppl still have the nerve to say he's the GOAT lmao
😂 they rode the short bus what u expect
@@ressestevenson7309 😂🤣
You been on fire 🔥 fake media never gonna say this all they do and kiss his ass and try to force him the goat conversation
6-0 means nothing but 0-6 means something because appearance.. that logic is something special
LeBron's move to the Heat in 2010 fundamentally upset the power balance between superstar players and their organizations.
Celtics did it 2 years before. The Lakers attempted to do 2 years prior. You all make up narratives to fit whatever agenda you want.
@@cardzbmurkin08 KG and Ray Allen were at the end of his prime. Lebron and Bosh are on their prime when they joined the Heat. That's slightly different.
They all want to win. Having the best team generally gets the job done. Just ask Jordan. LeBron made it clear he is his own man and won't be controlled by team owners. Different upbringing thing I guess. The arguments are completely absurd. @@randellllarena7525
@@cardzbmurkin08 Not even close to comparable
Love when Nick Wright mentions the scoring record as if that’s not the product of 21 seasons
Its not that other guys sacrificed stats, its more that they were committed to playing their role on the team. They werent trying to do everything and have the ball in their hands every play to get all the stats. Kobe and MJ were 2 guards not points, so they werent bringing the ball uo every possession and orchestrating the offense. They would go to their spots and run the set and let the pg do his job. And on a missed shot they would just box out their man and let their centers and forwards get the rebounds. This meane everyone has a defined job on the team that keeps them engaged the entire time. Its a much better way to play than how stat hogs today try to do things.
Great explanation. There are 5 guys on the court and they should be functioning as a single unit. Stats are way overrated.
Obviously, you did not watch MJ before, Scottie, Phil and Rodman etc. And did not watch Kobe after Shaq and Pau, that is exactly how they played. Kyrie was taking more shots than LBJ.
@@ronharris9829 they only played thst way when that was the role they were asked to do. At thise times they had coaches who had no other ideas but to have them with the ball constantly. But whenever they had a new coach and he asked them to do a new role, that's what they did. Stat hogs today do the same thing no matter the coach or system because it's about them not the team.
You don't know basketball.
Yea I liked LeBron James too UNTIL he started losing too much. LeBron James started his career with TWO CONSECUTIVE series losses in the NBA Finals (2007, 2011). LeBron James is the All-Time Leader in TURNOVERS (over 5,100)! And LeBron James is tied with Jerry West for losing the most career games in NBA Finals history, with 33 losses.
Do you have any clue how dumb you sound? Tom Brady has three super bowl losses. Trent Dilfer has 0. Tom Brady has 212 career interceptions. Trent Dilfer has 129, so I guess Trent Dilfer is a better player than Tom Brady😂😂
People don't like him in general not because he is losing, but because he is losing and still wants to have the title of the greatest.
His career is decent, 4 rings is decent, it is decent but not great considering the team hopping and super teaming. Not even belonging to top 10 great.
If LBJ accepts this reality with humility, he wouldn't be hated this much.
I wouldn't mind the losing if he didn't constantly team hop and throw his teammates under the bus.
If he won 7 titles out of 10 appearances and was still competitive in those losses, I’d give him the nod over Michael. But… that ain’t the case, huh?
Losing is completely fine as long as you put up a great fight, but Lebron shat the bed both times in the finals
Just imagine, after Jordan was beaten by Celtics and then Pistons several years in a row, he left Chicago and either join Barkley's Suns Or Drexler's Blazers, and persuaded either Chris Webber or Shawn Kemp to join the same team, and won two Championships and FMVPs, then was beaten by Dream, so he left the team again and won two more championships in other two teams, would anyone still consider him the goat?
Absolutely no way! He won't be in the conversation at all!
So why would Lebron be in the conversation of who is the goat!
D wade or chris bosh combined are worse than barkley
Omfg 😂 that "assist" wasn't even an assist. Lmao! He was trying to catch the ball and mishandled it. It wasn't intentional 🤦♂️
LEFRAUD ON STERIODS...
Jordan stat-padded as well...on the number of rings ;-).
Jordan said stats ain't worth it. Ships are what he's going for. That's a killer mentality!
He doesn’t play defense, make steals, make assists!! It is NOT about you!
Make assist but he averages SEVEN OF THEM FOR HIS CAREER. YOU DO NOT NOT FUCKIN BALL, YOU SHOULD DEFF SIT THIS ONE OUT MY GUY LMAO
Lebron is going to play till he's 80 just to get stats
🎼 He’s the statman, Bop ba bodda bope,
Be bop ba bodda bope 🎼
He want to talk about stats? MJ’s 10 scoring titles for one!!
It’s a TEAM sport. Individual stats alone are not the metric. It’s team success which is measured in CHAMPIONSHIPS. Period.
Dude had more top 75 players and hall of fames on his team than any other player in modern history! Come on man this argument is ridiculous and move the goal post behind every other legend before him
Comparing LeBron to Wilt is giving LeBron way too much credit, and denigrating the Big Dipper.
I've always thought that was a proper comparison.
@@manwerama During the 1960s, the Celtics was a super-team which won 9 championships in one decade. The one ring they didn't win was denied to them by Chamberlain's team, and the teams that gave the Celtics the most trouble were consistently Wilt's teams.
He wrecked his knee in the 69-70 season, after which he focused almost entirely on defense, but even if he wasn't the most valuable player in the Lakers' 72 championship, advanced stats had him leading the league in Defensive Win Shares in both the regular season and the playoffs.
In the three seasons of his career for which the league has stats for available rebounds, which are also the three seasons he played on a busted knee, and in the playoffs he led the league in total rebound percentage every year. Those seasons are also his worst rebounding seasons.
At worst, ignoring his offensive qualities, Wilt was a 7'1" Dennis Rodman with a wingspan out of this world. His defense was similar to Victor Wembanyana, in that he didn't have to interfere with the shooter, he could block (and grab) the ball in the air.
At best, in the 67 championship, Wilt did everything - led the league in both Offensive and Defensive Win Shares, in PER, in rebounds, in FG percentage (68%!) while dishing out 7.8 assists and playing 45.5 minutes per game.
LeBron fans love to bring up stats until you bring up Kobe or Jordan's Championship stats. Then, it's "stats don't matter."
Now that's just egregious how do you let the ball go right through your hands and claimed that it was a pass, pathetic
I've scored more on my hoop at home than LeBron in his whole life I must be better than him and MJ I'll be looking for my GOAT trophy in the mail!
A story of player empowerment policy of the NBA.
From the marketing and branding standpoint:
Storyline of the NBA used to be about winners and winner attitude (stories about MJ and Kobe focusing on winning mentality and spreading positive messages to the viewers) and now storyline is about the freak show athletes and that's the branding approach and the state of the current NBA (reason why media dont like Jokic). Lebron James is just a byproduct of that marketing and branding strategy.
Was this branding change a good business strategy?
Would love to see a video discussing this topic, keep up the great videos btw, your hard work pays off!!!
If Kobe or MJ loses to a team via sweep, expect them to slave themselves during the summer. They won't come to the press conference wearing a fake cast in the arm or blabber about retirement.
To prove your point all one would need to do is look at the work MJ put in after he was swept by Bird twice and beaten by the Bad Boy Pistons. Every year he came back stronger and better to try and get over that hump.
Micheal is the best. Period. Funny thing is most men who were kids in the 90’s knew that mike was not the most approachable and kind person. He was not like Penny or or even Scottie. He was serious and killer. Even so, we respected him bc of the eye test. We didn't need stats and all these weird stats of today to see what was happening. We didn't need him to be nice and have an entertaining personality. We knew who he was, but his SKILLS spoke for him. Personally, I love KJ and David Robinson and Ewing!
Notice most people do exactly what you did? You saw those players and crowned who you saw as the greatest. There was a greatest before Jordan. Jordan didn't do anything to pass him. But he got replaced because the older generation got replaced. So their guy became the guy. This is how it is in basketball only basketball. Baseball doesn't replace Babe Ruth. We are probably similar in age. I know LeBron isn't anything great or special that said neither was Jordan. But the NBA is about making money and jordan was popular and equaled profit. NBA will change how it referees games to make those players look better all for profit.
@@jasonnelson6624older gen players all pretty much agree MJ is the GOAT.
@@mrskinszszs no they don't. Look at any former player before Jordan not a single one says he is the goat.
@@jasonnelson6624 magic Johnson would like a word with you
@@mrskinszszs how can someone be the goat if they can't beat everyone, they don't hold records, they haven't changed the game or done something we have never seen before? The only change he made was from Chuck Taylor's to Jordan's. Yes he had a cultural impact but what about actual play?
Self sacrifice is a leadership stat that can't be measured.
He retired how many times. You guys are nuts. Legitimately insane.
@@kenlen8029 so...?
@@kenlen8029lmao and
I watched Jordan and LeBron and it ain't close, the real argument...is LeBron even the greatest small forward or Larry bird. 2 playoff runs LeBron was the 2nd best player on his own team with the heat behind wade and AD has been the best player on the Lakers. LeBron aint even the goat of his own teams.😂😂😂 Wade is the greatest heat player of all time and Kobe Magic and Kareem and many others are greater lakers. Its a joke.
@@millhousemillard2140I watched both too. I played for a long time also. If you think Bird is there with LeBron that's your business. I am not going to waste time with such nonsense however. I read your post and all I see is a hater who hasn't grown up. Have fun with your emojis and internet squabbles.
@@kenlen8029 inter squabbles says the guy who responded to insult me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I played to but I wouldn't dare say that in an NBA convo 🤣🤣🤣🤣 holy Christ. Larry bird was just as skilled just doesnt have the athleticism and pointing out wade was better in some of those playoff runs and AD was better makes me a hater??? I'll take it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
When MJ came back from retirement, between the end of the regular season and the NBA finals, the Bulls players, coaching staff, media, etc were all saying 72-10 doesn't mean a thing without a ring. I bet if you searched hard enough you could still find the tshirts.
The only meaningful stat is what you do when it counts.
Like beating a 73 win team?
@kenlen8029 Yes, and like getting his ass handed to him handily by Dirk. The bad counts just as much as the good. You don't just get to throw away trash performance against a 57 win team because you happen to beat a 73 win team.
73-9 doesn't mean a thing without a ring.
Jordan's had bad moments and I NEVER hear them talked about by Jordan fans. Even when a Jordan fan is blatantly wrong they will never admit it. Actually, I shouldn't say all Jordan fans. Some are objective. It's clear though this whole phony debate is polluted by casual viewers and people who couldn't even name a set being ran during a game. It's a waste of time. They are/were both cream of the crop players. Personally I feel lucky to have witnessed both. The hate directed towards one of them throughout his career is out of line imo. Adults acting like 10 year olds getting mad at a guy doing his job. Maybe all these people lost money gambling or something. @@that1guy487
When people stopped caring about championship, when you teach kids it's okay to lose because I was MVP.... LeBron is okay with this mentality. The participation trophy era
Casual
Only 4 times has a player in a season
1 lead the season in point average
2 lead the playoffs in scoring average
3 dpoy
4 season MVP
5 finals MVP.
The 4 players were
Jordan
Jordan
Jordan
Jordan.
Minus defensive player of the year. He won that once. And it wasn’t during those 4 years you are talking about.
Great video! Keep making great videos!
He actually bragged about that "pass"? Lolol I can't
THIS IS WHAT THE LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS COACH SAID JAMES IS ABT STATS JAMES & ADAM SLIVER NEED TO GO ADAM SLIVER MADE NBA ALL ABT LERBON JAMES IT SUCKS 4REAL
The only guy I've ever seen on the bench checking his stats on his phone, mid-game.
Jordan and Kobe NEVER flopped... LeBron is 'Flopzilla'.
The Frozen One, LeBronze James
"I did my job" - LeFraud
"jobs not finished" - Mamba
They don't care about all stats, they only care about the ones that make Lebron look good.
They need to embrace the bad longevity stats like most turnovers of all time.
Lebron favorable whistle = Refs skewing the games results in his favor
Jordan favorable whistle = Refs not allowing the opposing team to beat the shit out of him in mid air
Lebron won't ever take responsibility for a lost. He would only say "We."
LeBron 2010s-2020s all the weakest & worst Era of the NBA
I agree with everything you're saying. It's one thing when you tear it up, but for example, like Kobe had that garbage team a few years and, no matter what he did, I don't think they were ever going to win it all and no one ever expected them to. If he balls out and puts up monster stats you say he did what he could to drag his team there but it's not enough. Now you Surround a superstar with multiple super stars and depthand people will expect you to win more than lose and you can put up big stats but your team s keep losing so you are not doing what it takes, whether that be how the offense is running, the defense you are playing and knowing when to have that killer instinct to take over big games. If you don't and lose more than you win, you look back and realize alot of those stats don't matter and you find a lot of hallow stats.
WTF ARE HOLLOW STATS. YOU ALL WILL LITERALLY MAKE UP ANYTHING TO DISCREDIT THIS MAN, ITS ABSURD 😂
@cardzbmurkin08 they are stats that still count towards career stats but don't mean anything people don't really care because they resulted in losses and with stacked teams. And a lot of those points came when the game wasn't on the line and when it was he deferred or disappeared. And what ever he did, it didn't lift his super teams to the top. It's not just about points and stats. It about shut down defense and taking over when you feel the momentum shift and your team is looking for a leader. LeBron is still great and has the best longevity but he's not the goat. Not even close.
Kobe was literally all about stats. He was the biggest ball hog in history
He shot the ball a lot because he was the best player to shoot on the team. Something lebron has never been and yet still has most missed shots in nba history that's crazy.
This one Finals when he was down 0-2 in series, James was smiling and bragging he was averaging triple double in Finals. He seemed very happy regardless of they were down.
When they stopped the game to celebrate LeB's most points, that was a clear sign that the NBA is under very bad direction.
You learn at an early age that basketball is a team sport and the goal is to win. This is one reason that Wilt doesn't get as much credit for his stats. The NBA and liberal sports media had to find a way to keep the current game relevant so it doesn't seem like the best basketball is behind them, despite low ratings. Foreign talent has created some more interest, but the USA needs someone that is native to promote. Curry would probably have become the face of the league had GS not blown that 3-1 lead in the Finals. If you play this game for 21 years with HOFmers and top 75 players, your bound to win a few chips along the way. The media ignores the negative longevity stats like turnovers and missed attempts.
Yeah…. You’re bound to win…. You all just fuckin literally say anything 😂😂
@@cardzbmurkin08 Name a player that has played in the league with multiple HOFs and top 75 players for more than 10 years and never won anything?
I always knew stats matter, I’ve been arguing Dirk is as good as MJ since he retired. He’s only 700 points behind MJ.
Dirk NEEDS to be in the GOAT convo.
Lebron shouldnt even be thought of as the GOAT let alone being as great as MJ. Bro got roasted in the finals 6 times.
3 championships and bubble trophy. Of course he only cares about stats
LeBronze is passing the championships around like he passes up the last shot.
Great analysis in this video. Goes towards debunking the whole MJ got all the calls argument.
Great video. More proof that when you play the Lakers, it’s a 5 on 8 matchup, and the Lakers are the only team that can call their own fouls. Bron Bron oftentimes gets subbed out when the opposing teams shoot free throws, protecting his +/- percentage. Insecure, narcissistic guy who nobody wants to play with.
Delusional
Yeah. And remember that the age of chips don't matter is also the age of "load management". Ergo, when LeFlop and his fellow stat-lite compilers bleat about "did my job", it should be emphasized that, mmm, no, actually you did not either. Because 82+playoffs, year in year out, is your actual job. And that's a fact even if you DO LeChoke in the postseason.
Only longevity Matters Lechina
The game against the nuggets, lebron sucked the whole 4th quarter and all of a sudden made a "clutch" layup in the final seconds when the game was way out of reach, (gotta keep my 25 ppg average)😂😂😂,
Mr Empty Stats for years now. The golden boy is fake gold - thats what empty stats are
That would be Luka
Lukas is not much into defense too. Both would be more valuable playing less minutes but on both sides of the court. Lebron stopped playing real defense many years ago. And its understandable, it costs so much effort and wears down the body. Thats why Jordan had a shorter but much superior career.
Lebron was so mad Kobe got his statues before him
Lol 6/6 and 4/10 are stats😂😂😂
His stats aren't that great though. Look at averages instead of total numbers. They are good, but not great.
Don't talk about their precious hero LeBronze. The guy with the most playoff losses in NBA history. You know, the playoffs, we're winning should matter THE MOST. 😂😂😂
Of course the participation brigade holds stats over winning.
Let's not forget the turnover stat as well though... averaging 3.5 per game for his carrer - 5100+ and counting
LeStats still hasn’t passed Kobe.
Dude believed he was going to win like Bill Russell. Once he realized it he turned his focus on stats. Anything to try and convince people he's greater than he actually is.
Players like Lebron, Melo,… (and their defenders) allways will build a narrative based on the statistic they over achieve and totally overlook in the ones they under achieve
Younger generations just can't handle the fact their hero is arguably 2nd
More like 6th to 10th. Puting him 2nd is what make's him the most overrated ever.
What's all this younger generation slander bro? Jordans the best.
@w4tt58 some of yall are smart 🤫😄
@@aaa-dk6jrTop ten is still very generous! When you consider fundamentals and intangibles you want in the ideal ideal player, he sticks out like a sore thumb in the top 25 (imho)
2nd? He’s like 12th, theres no hope for him ever being top 5
Caring only about stats is like only working out your upper body and not working out your legs😂😂.
Steve Kerr 4-peated, something Jordan never did. Does that make him the GOAT? No.
Only a 🤡 is comparing role players to all time greats.
he never said chips are everything.
Russell won 8 in a row
No channel comes harder with the facts then yours 💯✊️
Did I hear you say Robert Horry is a potential Hall of Fame player? Not even close. Robert Horry was nothing but a defensive role player who could hit an open 3. He never even started on those Championship teams he was on. His skill set was coveted by Championship teams, but they did not win because of him.
He is for sure hall of famer sorry. The hall of fame doesn't have to be about totals at all or being a started. Manu wasn't a starter, for sure hall of famer. Ben Wallace is a hall of famer mostly not due to his stats but his overall effectiveness on defense.
@@duaneharper6095 LOL a journeyman defensive sub in the hall of fame, you're an idiot.
I'm so happy there are people still understand this. Kobe whole career was about winning chips. His 1 Mvp and his scoring titles and Defensive 1st teams where just by products of his pursuit of that. And ultimately leads to how people wanna use Brons multiple MVPs and Stats to try to prove he's better than Kobe. It's sad to see how people just don't understand if Kobe cared about those awards them he would've went for them but last time a checked being the Leader in scoring and 5 MVPs Doesn't automatically win you championships
1st
Lebron "i need more help" Raymone James
He always have hes stat sheet lmao cuz he only cares of him and his stats thats why he'll never be in the top 10 and that time has passed, he had all the tools to do it and change his game and get better and work on his fundamentals and mid range and footwork.
This channel is getting better and better
The fact that he lied about that pass is so hilarious. He must be a compulsive liar that just can't help himself. Even Jalen Ramsey came to his show to call him out for capping.
Maybe he thought these Arenas don't have cameras. Such an unnecessary lie
Wise man once said: You play to win the game
One of my favorite LeBron stats is in 4 of his Finals Series losses his teams were 2-16. Let that sink in.....nobody can top that 😂😂😂
In the words of Smokey-Chris Tucker, “And you know this…Mmmmmmaaaaaannnnnn”.
What…too soon?!?!
Wow. Those free throw stats were eye opening.
The fatal flaw of Bron’s game is that his skill set is so diverse there’s no room for other superstars to really play their full game. Bosh/Wade had to dial their game back for “ball dominant make every play” Bron. KLove became a role player, Kyrie went insane in that environment. Only thing you can do for LeBron is play defense and knock down spot up jumpers. Kinda sucks the air out of the room. He’s ineffective without the ball. A bigger Westbrook. MJ didn’t need the ball he worked without it all the time. Catch and shoot all the time. Playmake as well.
Lebron’s skill set is not diverse at all, in fact it is very limited. He is incapable of playing off-ball and this is why he has to be ball dominant. His athleticism is off the charts but his skills are mediocre at best. If you want someone who actually had basketball skills you only have to look at the likes of Larry Bird or Michael Jordan and actually Kobe was more skilled than either of them.
@@jimmulcahey9312 I’m giving him credit for passing and rebounding as “skills” even though personally I don’t see rebounding as a skill. He can score, pass, and rebound at hall of fame levels. That’s what I mean when I say his skill set is diverse. Agree with everything else you said.
Goats don't tell us they are the Goats. They be it.
Patrick Mahomes just captured his third ring last night. "Goat" never once left his mouth throughout his playing career. He just did it.
Lebron was crowned the next one, didn't live up to the lofty expectations placed upon him, and now he's struggling to deal with it. He'll go down as a very good player, but not a goat.