@@gcoffey223 can you grasp how hard it is to be the national champion from birth to graduating college? Bo would strangle everyone at middleweight today, unranked, including driccus. Bo would be the betting favorite against all of them too. He's already broke back to back ufc records for biggest money favorite. Bo will literally go undefeated over the next 5 years. I'm sharing knowledge, not defending my favorite fighter. Bo would beat Alex periera today......even if Bo had a 20 pound handicap. That is how good Bo is. Also the only reason the fight went into the 2nd round last fight is because Dana announced 300k bonuses.......so Bo tries to be Bruce Lee for one round before drowning his opponent
@@justinclary3926 I'd say go watch the Connor fight with Chad Mendez, now albeit Chad did not have the wrestling accolades as Bo but was still a DIV 1 champion, if you watch that fight, all Conner had to do is be defensive and pick Chad apart from far, I'd say Alex would do the same to Bo!
@@Incieal exactly, I was going to edit my comment to mention that fight but forgot to. That was a beautiful display of mastery of balance and weight manipulation. It's exactly why I think Arman won't have an answer in the rematch tbh, you can't suddenly become good at that type of grappling.
He uses it nearly every fight ! And I agree it's beautiful to watch. We have plenty of wrestlers like merab and aljo blasting take downs but Islams finesse is beautiful
Someone says khabib can't win in judo, Bo saying islam cannot win in NCAA, someone will say they cannot win in boxing, taekwondo, bjj, fencing, arm wrestling, slap etc. Ok accepted but who can win against them in the cage? 😅😅😅
Just realized everyone including Islam himself was saying his own name wrong. Chael pronounces it Makalchev so that's how I'm going to say it for now on.
Makhachev won the FIAS Combat Sambo World gold medal at 74 kg (163 lbs) which is better than being NCAA champion. Even Merab failed to win the Gold medal at 68 kg (149 lbs) in FIAS combat sambo, Merab won silver medal.
NCAA guys win World and Olympic medals regularly, while combat sambo is a niche sport in Russia and none of those guys win Olympic medals. The better athletes do Sport Sambo, Judo, and wrestling in Russia
Dude who really even competes in sambo? U never even heard about it yourself until khabib came around and u heard it from the UFC fight promotion marketijg machine. Who competes in combat sambo? A few former Soviet states? Wrestling is the oldest Olympic sport and is world wide and has been for ages.
@RubbersPVP , Quote Sambo Championship: ''Athletes from 50 countries are expected to take part in the tournament: Azerbaijan, Algeria, Armenia, Bahrain, Bulgaria, Brazil, Burkina Faso, Venezuela, Guinea, Germany, Greece, Georgia, Dominican Republic, Egypt, Israel, Indonesia, Jordan, Iran , Ireland, Spain, Italy, Kazakhstan, Cameroon, Cyprus, Kyrgyzstan, Colombia, Korea, Costa Rica, Lithuania, Mali, Morocco, Mexico, Moldova Mongolia, Niger, Netherlands, Republic of Belarus, Romania, North Macedonia, Serbia, USA, Tajikistan, Trinidad and Tobago, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Ukraine, Philippines, France, Croatia, Switzerland, as well as from the All-Russian Sambo Federation.''
What is a barely takedown? You either take someone down or not. Its not gymnastics there aren't points for style. Also, MMA wrestling is not NCAA wrestling. Totally different sport.
How is NCAA competition level compared to Russian regional level contests.. what's tougher? The Dagestanis boasts of training w/ the best competitors in their region of the world. Don't know much about how Islam would fare in wrestling but there are clips out there showing him on the mat w/ Olympic level Russian wrestler and Islam speaks about training w/ accomplished Dagestan based wrestlers. Khabib had longer old vid training w/ a russian olympic medalist and he smoked the guy.. that olympian also has interviews attesting to how competitive Khabib is.
That's easy to answer. Look at who won the medals. The Americans consistently beat the Dagis at the Olympics as well as the yearly World Championship wrestling matches.
Nobody outside of the NCAA gives a fugg about NCAA. Alexandre Pantoja, Sean O’Mally, Ilia Topuria, Islam Makhachev,Belal Muhammad, Dricus Du Plessis, Alex Periera, Jon Jones, and the real Heavy Weight champ Tom Aspinal. That’s all the current UFC champions. How many of them are NCAA? Nobody cares.
I wanted to see Bo vs Aleskerov. But im not sure now. Aliskerov took a big risk in fighting Withaker. It didnt go well. I want to see if it hurt hus confidence. If he is fine, i want to see him against Bo 'no cell reception' Nickal.
That's so less talked about, Poirier and Pereira particularly stand out to me, How even after a bad KO loss they went on with their career upward, like nothing happened. Usman too. Whereas for a lot fighters it seems to really change them. @@Breakfast.pancake
Uncle Chael ... have to say, I love your rants, your perspective and your love for wrestling. (37 years in BJJ - from Downunder). I have long lamented there was no high-school or wrestling program in Australia. When school ended, I went to india and wrestled - nut then found Jiu Jitsu in Rio and never looked back. I do enjoy following the American greats, Spencer Lee, Kyle Dake, Jason Nolf and the like. Just awesome .. thanks Chael for what you bring the the landscape.
I get that bo is trying to reference pure wrestling as a difference but Makhachev is a combat sambo world champion, an international master of sport - that’s not pure wrestling. Sambo is an amalgamation of judo and pankration that often uses chain-wrestling and grappling. It’s best use in MMA, which Islam is the UFC champion in.
As a former D1 wrestler and life long fight fan this is my favorite content! Keep the wreslting content plz! People don’t really understand the nuances between the three wreslting styles and the effectiveness of folk style as opposed to the other two! and the potential effectiveness comparably of different grappling sets such as combat sambo etc
@@zoro8117 what year are you talking about??? Almost all the MMA Russians are judo or Greco style and heavily depend on the wall grappling. Khabib and all his proteges are not shooting singles and doubles. DC moves better then all them too at 100lbs heavier. So did Cain.
@@arizonatea3734 lol you have no clue. Even chael sonnen himself said that if evrery nations had no Limits on how many wrestlers represent them then Dagestan would have like 70% of medals. Khabib did shoot a lot of double and Single legs. He even submitted Sholarus After a Single leg. He ragdolled d2 wrestker with 21 takedowns in 3 rounds. They PREFER to use cage because its easier for them. Does not mean they are bad at double leg you are casual as it gets. Dagis literally have on of fastest and most beautiful double and Single legs in ufc Guys like magomedkhabib, silver medalist who destroyed kyle dake 11:0 trains with islam. Sadulaev and other Gold medalists from same village too. You are delusional
Makhachev also won the gold medal in Fias Combat Sambo world championship which is better than being NCAA champion. Even Merab failed to win the Fias Combat Sambo world championship, Merab won silver medal.
@@zoro8117 please show examples. And I'm not delusional I just know that most non Americans depend on wall wrestling. I've trained with d1 guys, and judo black belts. Non American grapplers definitely do not have an advantage without wall grappling and there's 30 years of MMA to show that.
@@gcoffey223 Chaels opening argument was that the NCAA tournament is for "boys" and Islam has man muscles. Many of those boys win the Olympics for wrestling. So I don't see how it's relevant, especially as your opening statement. Peak wrestling age is like 24-26. Man muscles don't help.
I’m not sure if many here agree with me, but I absolutely LOVE hearing the compare/contrast between the grappling/wrestling styles across the planet. I wrestled 40 plus years ago and I didn’t know what I didn’t know back then. Please more informationals on this with examples!!
Yes! Agree. It is apples and oranges. International (freestyle) wrestling does very little on top and bottom compared to US folkstyle wrestling. In freestyle you just stay flat on bottom until (wait for it) THE REFEREE LET'S YOU UP! Not in US Folkstyle/Collegiate where you can get rode and broken down (and turned and pinned) for the entire period and entire match! So often when the international wrestlers come to the US--and they have not practiced riding & turns or getting up off bottom for a lifetime, they are usually good at the junior college or DIII level with some exceptions. They hit a ceiling fast because they can get takedowns and let the guy up (rinse repeat) or just try and not get pinned on bottom (or maybe once in a blue moon do a stand up). But they lack folkstyle skills on top and bottom....But they only have real expertise on the feet and cannot compete when they are put in referees position or taken down and have to get up. Why US wrestling (and BJJ and some other disciplines) work well in MMA? The referee does not let you up off bottom! Today in NCAA DI few international wrestlers could do much beside get called for stalling and a few takedowns...My own example, I would get beat in high school folkstyle tournaments in January then beat the same guys in May in freestyle because I was better on my feet and in lifting guys than top/bottom. (Folkstyle is the US' ace in the hole for MMA success..)
Why doesn’t the UFC do weigh ins like NCAA wrestling? I don’t see how rampant weight cuts and dehydration are good for MMA. Someone like Poatan should never be a middleweight.
@@jacks6684 I feel like fighters would be forced to stop dehydrating if the weigh in was so close because it wouldn’t be worth, for instance, the lethargy or risk of getting knocked out so easily. Some people might do it anyway at first, but the naturally harsh lesson of being so dehydrated during a fight seems like it would force a cultural shift from where it currently stands because the current weight cutting culture is a disgrace. Fighters complain about it all the time but say that they don’t want to get bullied by other weight cutters. Rogan, one of the bigger voices in the sport, says that this form of cheating has more of an effect than PEDs. And it seems like shifting the weigh in closer to the fight would do a big part in neutralizing all of this over time.
Dude, American wrestling is a top 5 place for wrestling, but Russia, Iran, Turkey, central Asian countries, are pretty darn good. Think about this, the Russian Tank from Dagestan Abdul Rashid Sandulaev considered the greatest wrestler wrestles with khabib and Islam. How about khadjimurat Gatsalov beating the greatest collegiate wrestler in Cael Sanderson. I think BO and former wrestlers say this to boost their own egos. He’s just not humble. I bet Islam would beat Bo in a freestyle wrestling match. They should do a ufc fight and a wrestling match.
You must not know what a padded record is. Khabib had a padded record for fight debut guys as a 10-0 guy. Bo nikal is like 6-0 aginst some ufc and real regional opponents
@@polarman1747 bo is fighting cans in the ufc to pad his record. khabib and islam didnt fight nobodies their whole career in the ufc like bo so stop it
I actually do believe Islam could do it in a full wrestling match, however if it is done in an octagon, where he can't be pushed outside, cause this is how they all win in NCAA
You should hear how much respect Islam and Khabib give to wrestling. You would have to be in the know to understand how hard it is to be an elite wrestler 😂
I’m surprised by the Bo Nickal hate lol. He’s a promising prospect, classy, respectful, confident and borderline arrogant. What’s not to love? I’m really surprised by the fans sometimes because we get good fights from these people. Especially Bo will only get better… he has about 7 years before peak and we’re gonna get some great fights from him. When we live in a world with inactive champions, champions who duck contenders and boring fighters who abuse a stupid scoring system… we should really celebrate these fighters. They’re carrying the sport and keeping us coming back for more. Idk why y’all hate Nickal. I really don’t get it lol.
There is of course a big individual difference for people from different wrestling backgrounds. Bo Nickal, Khamzat Chimaev and Khabib Nurmagomedov are all undefeated in the UFC. I hope there are not many who don't consider them good and efficient grapplers, with different backgrounds.
Islam has the skills in neutral to score multiple takedowns on any ncaa wrestler up to o toole and carr for sure. But in folkstyle i could see him struggling with the grounded scrambling funky keegan otoole type stuff. As well as top bottom reverals and tilts. Noone is pinning him though. And ironically he pins a lot of guys with bo nickal style counter neck wrenches, whizzer tosses, and step overs.
Chael talk about what is being talked about!!! Bo is talking about wrestling and his organization of PSU... Dave Hart world champion 4x wrestling under PSU, his brother silver metal 2x world Champion... The list of PennState world champion wrestlers is literally undefined since the 70s... Bo is a world champion wrestler at PSU as well... and because Dake is trying to train Islam doesnt make Islam a world champion wrestler...
Can someone answer my question: why does Bo Nickal not fight regularly ? He’s not ranked…. He’s 29 (not young like I’m constantly hearing) it doesn’t make any sense surely he should be fighting regularly and climbing the ranks on track to the top 8 guys
That wasnt belarussian Chael. It is another dagestani, Magomedkhabib who fights for Belarussia Also Islam did sambo and itd way more effective than collegiate wrestling
Bragging about NCAA is like bragging about winning Superbowl. Nobody outside of US cares about that. Hell most likely they didn't even know these competition exist. 😂
Like Aspinall, Bo will wait until Islam is about to retire to call him out. Like Aspinall couldn't have been in that fight against Jones instead of Gane. Like we wouldn't LOVE to see Bo vs Islam RIGHT NOW. But we plebs dont deserve the best fights. "There are levels to this sh*t!"
@@Smoshylife theyre too different sports brother. i get ur point basically that being a ufc champ means more than being a NCAA champ to the average person. but theyre two different sports, one mma one wrestling u cant say its like sayin "college is better than pro leagues" NCAA is the highest level of wrestling you can get to behind olympic. A D1 champ would maul most ufc champs in a pure wrestling match, but a ufc champ would probably knock the wrestlers head off his shoulders in mma. its pro leagues vs pro leagues just in different sports.
@@copbutcher1312 NCAA aint the pro leagues is what I'm saying. When I say pro leagues for wrestling,I'm saying (even excluding olympics) like the international championship tournaments where people like Snyder are medaling at. I agree with you
By that level of grappling, you do realize that you mean a lower level of grappling, right? -80kg at CJI was much more stacked than the lower weight classes at ADCC. There's no way in hell Islam would make it past Kade, and idk who he could've even beaten in the first round, if any. I would love to see him and Kade, though. More interesting than any of his potential matchups at ADCC. Andrew would be interesting, too, given how much Andrew focuses on positional control. O'Flanagan for how sneaky out of nowhere subs. Nicky Ryan to see if he could still beat Islam on his worst day It wouldn't make near as much difference for Islam, but until now I hadn't really thought about just how much of a disadvantage Khabib would've been at in ADCC due to not having any sort of walls to wrestle against. He wouldn't be able to do much at all, having to work in the open like that. Would be interesting if we could've seen that, and then gotten to see him at CJI to see how much difference the pit walls made for him
There are old vids on the tube with Khabib competing in local grappling contest in the US, time he only knew few snglish words.. when he was newly signed by ufc and not yet under Ali's mngmt nor Javier's coaching. He looked small compared to some of his opponents Abdulmanap's students were trained w/o cages/walls. Khabib, Islam & their batchmates grew up training combat sambo, judo and wrestling.. disciplines not requiring physical boundaries so they never had a cage in their gym. Their team excelled in combat sambo.. they consistently produced regional finalist and world champions. They only ever experienced fighting inside octagon or ring when they started competing in amateur mma.
The wrestlers are gonna come to juju if they have big prize money. Once they start training and competing in juju…. They’re gonna piss all over the bjj parade. I think the writing was on the wall with the Craig jones tournament. For those guys to jump in with no experience competing at that level and doing that well is 🤯
NFC. No freakin Chance- NADA-ZILCH-ZERO. Forever USA guys wrestled our style-for 8-10 years-then if we wanted to go to the Olympics we had to learn a different style-it is a tribute to USA wrestlers that a fair number succeeded- Doug Blubaugh PINNING the best wrestler in the world-and Iranian multi-time world champion (he caught him when the Iranian was doing a takedown clinic-)on third attack-whipped him over-no chance he was bridging out -he tried-bridged to moon-nope. In any case-waaaay back 1960's-Oklahoma State would recruit THE BEST WRESTLER from Japan-and he-3 in a row-U-TAKE (SIC) Rocky A-O-KEE. FUJITA-and they were NCAA champions-but....they were hand selected-and spent plenty of time folks style wrestling. Now our-USA-guys are sooo good-and they are frequently OLDER than they were back when-a 23 year old-is close to peak quickness-strength-and does not have the injuries-probably-that a 30 yo MMA guy has-plus our guys all have BIG FUEL TANKS-no resting allowed-no punching no choking and you CAN step on lead foot- ZERO chance these guys could go in NCAA's and beat Bo Nickal-or Brooks- or Bouroughs-ZERO-in folks style-ZERO
I’ve heard it a 100x winning a NCAA D1 National Championship is harder than winning a UFC title. Mainly bc of the route they have to take to win it. As chael mentioned in the beginning.
Surprise guys! Bo isn’t the first national champion wrestler in the UFC 😭😭 Casuals love hype trains and not history. There’s been plenty of historically great wrestlers in the ufc and all it proves is wrestling is important. Not that it’s the key to winning cuz it’s just not. I can provide examples for days. Olympic wrestlers, ncaa champs, state hs champs, juco champs, all of it. There’s been an example for each one. Stop acting like Bo is the only good wrestler to start mma.
Id give him a year or so to learn the rules and the different moves. MMA wrestling is different and a lot he would do would end up giving up penalty points.
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Islam doesn’t need a NCAA Championship he has the UFC LW World championship
3 time would sambo champ too.
Bobwouldn't qualify for any worlds. He didn't even qualify for the olympics. Glorified ncaa wrestler
He also has FIAS Combat Sambo World championship which is > NCAA championship.
Even Merab failed to win the gold medal in FIAS.
@@gcoffey223 can you grasp how hard it is to be the national champion from birth to graduating college?
Bo would strangle everyone at middleweight today, unranked, including driccus.
Bo would be the betting favorite against all of them too. He's already broke back to back ufc records for biggest money favorite.
Bo will literally go undefeated over the next 5 years. I'm sharing knowledge, not defending my favorite fighter.
Bo would beat Alex periera today......even if Bo had a 20 pound handicap. That is how good Bo is.
Also the only reason the fight went into the 2nd round last fight is because Dana announced 300k bonuses.......so Bo tries to be Bruce Lee for one round before drowning his opponent
@@justinclary3926 I'd say go watch the Connor fight with Chad Mendez, now albeit Chad did not have the wrestling accolades as Bo but was still a DIV 1 champion, if you watch that fight, all Conner had to do is be defensive and pick Chad apart from far, I'd say Alex would do the same to Bo!
Yall gotta zip it up after 😂😂
I wish Islam would break out the judo a little more. It’s one of my favorite parts about his game.
ikr! his takedowns are unlike anything else in the UFC currently, people expect blast doubles and whatnot but he trips them instead.
@@milky_dromeda Reminds me of the first Arman fight such beautiful trips into top position.
@@Incieal exactly, I was going to edit my comment to mention that fight but forgot to. That was a beautiful display of mastery of balance and weight manipulation. It's exactly why I think Arman won't have an answer in the rematch tbh, you can't suddenly become good at that type of grappling.
He uses it nearly every fight ! And I agree it's beautiful to watch. We have plenty of wrestlers like merab and aljo blasting take downs but Islams finesse is beautiful
@@sbright21 judo is really situational
Someone says khabib can't win in judo, Bo saying islam cannot win in NCAA, someone will say they cannot win in boxing, taekwondo, bjj, fencing, arm wrestling, slap etc.
Ok accepted but who can win against them in the cage? 😅😅😅
in a cage with a referee and rules to save your life? Who can win on the street though???
@@WhateverWhateverwtghvh Dagestanis
The fighter with high skills. Having no rules is more favourable for grapplers@@WhateverWhateverwtghvh
@@WhateverWhateverwtghvh What a dumbass comment
@@aftabon Not if they don't get their juice. There is a reason Dagestan is permanently banned from Olympic competition. State Funded Doping.
Uncle Chael needs to learn about Combat Sambo Championship
Dont let this man discover sambo. Chael will just mispronounce it and become the goat of that too. Its getting out of hand at this point.
I heard bo nickal is scheduled to fight the #40 ranked guy in 2027
90% of the guys in UFC were fighting bums in a YMCA at his amount of fights. Ask Aaron Pico how rushing works.
😂😂😂
After 10 years bo nickal is still not ranked, he's a full time podcaster
Having a podcast is like having a driver’s license. 🪪
2 year* and 6 fights
@@aguiaman1271 He's 35
His UFC debut was last year
@@haxed_3613he's 28 brother!
But Mocklechev is just so good
It is a different sport.
I like how big names from Wrestling and BJJ talk how he will match up in those sports. Shows how good Islam is.
Chael doing everything in his power yo keep the conversation about Bo Nikal alive even though he has effectively done nothing of note in UFC
Neither had Islam after 3 fights. In fact he had lost ..
@@thebiglebrowski3695 yes I agree Islam is all hype
If sambo was easy it'd be called NCAA Championships.
Sambo has 1/10 of the talent pool wrestling has lol
You are very ignorant and Sambo does not have a big talent pool.
Have you wrestled in the NCAA championship? Or in the junior high school tournament?
@@douglasparise3986 no he’s just a Muslim fan that thinks Khabib and crew are gods 🤣
Muslim and considering humans as gods doesn't go hand in hand in islam @@nitrox1613
Just realized everyone including Islam himself was saying his own name wrong. Chael pronounces it Makalchev so that's how I'm going to say it for now on.
Makhachev won the FIAS Combat Sambo World gold medal at 74 kg (163 lbs) which is better than being NCAA champion.
Even Merab failed to win the Gold medal at 68 kg (149 lbs) in FIAS combat sambo, Merab won silver medal.
NCAA is infinitely harder lol. Combat sambo is relatively low level wrestling.
NCAA guys win World and Olympic medals regularly, while combat sambo is a niche sport in Russia and none of those guys win Olympic medals. The better athletes do Sport Sambo, Judo, and wrestling in Russia
Dude who really even competes in sambo? U never even heard about it yourself until khabib came around and u heard it from the UFC fight promotion marketijg machine. Who competes in combat sambo? A few former Soviet states? Wrestling is the oldest Olympic sport and is world wide and has been for ages.
The casual nature of this comment is insane. NCAA is far harder than combat Sambo worlds.
@RubbersPVP , Quote Sambo Championship: ''Athletes from 50 countries are expected to take part in the tournament: Azerbaijan, Algeria, Armenia, Bahrain, Bulgaria, Brazil, Burkina Faso, Venezuela, Guinea, Germany, Greece, Georgia, Dominican Republic, Egypt, Israel, Indonesia, Jordan, Iran , Ireland, Spain, Italy, Kazakhstan, Cameroon, Cyprus, Kyrgyzstan, Colombia, Korea, Costa Rica, Lithuania, Mali, Morocco, Mexico, Moldova Mongolia, Niger, Netherlands, Republic of Belarus, Romania, North Macedonia, Serbia, USA, Tajikistan, Trinidad and Tobago, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Ukraine, Philippines, France, Croatia, Switzerland, as well as from the All-Russian Sambo Federation.''
If we keep Bo in the main event please give him a fun opponent not some random guy Gunbridge
He doesn't deserve main event or main card
No way you just called Bumdage "Gunbridge"
@@milky_dromeda
Dumbridge?
Bo Nickal the same guy who barely took down a unranked fighter lmao
What is a barely takedown? You either take someone down or not. Its not gymnastics there aren't points for style.
Also, MMA wrestling is not NCAA wrestling. Totally different sport.
@@josiah1583 you are right, the original commenter just watches it through mma and has no idea about actual wrestling.
@Lomaisundisputed
Bo Nickel didn't make it past olympic trials. Big difference between American college wrestling and the world stage
@@gcoffey223 Who was more accomplished purely as a wrestler DC or Bo?
@@andrewrai5752Bo. One of the best of all time.
How is NCAA competition level compared to Russian regional level contests.. what's tougher? The Dagestanis boasts of training w/ the best competitors in their region of the world.
Don't know much about how Islam would fare in wrestling but there are clips out there showing him on the mat w/ Olympic level Russian wrestler and Islam speaks about training w/ accomplished Dagestan based wrestlers. Khabib had longer old vid training w/ a russian olympic medalist and he smoked the guy.. that olympian also has interviews attesting to how competitive Khabib is.
That's easy to answer. Look at who won the medals. The Americans consistently beat the Dagis at the Olympics as well as the yearly World Championship wrestling matches.
Nobody outside of the NCAA gives a fugg about NCAA. Alexandre Pantoja, Sean O’Mally, Ilia Topuria, Islam Makhachev,Belal Muhammad, Dricus Du Plessis, Alex Periera, Jon Jones, and the real Heavy Weight champ Tom Aspinal. That’s all the current UFC champions. How many of them are NCAA? Nobody cares.
Facts.
Jones comes from folk style wrestling..
If Chimaev loses to Whittaker, I hope they set up a fight between him and Bo.
Chimaev will eat him alive 😂😂
I wanted to see Bo vs Aleskerov. But im not sure now. Aliskerov took a big risk in fighting Withaker. It didnt go well. I want to see if it hurt hus confidence. If he is fine, i want to see him against Bo 'no cell reception' Nickal.
That's so less talked about,
Poirier and Pereira particularly stand out to me,
How even after a bad KO loss they went on with their career upward,
like nothing happened.
Usman too.
Whereas for a lot fighters it seems to really change them. @@Breakfast.pancake
Uncle Chael ... have to say, I love your rants, your perspective and your love for wrestling. (37 years in BJJ - from Downunder). I have long lamented there was no high-school or wrestling program in Australia. When school ended, I went to india and wrestled - nut then found Jiu Jitsu in Rio and never looked back. I do enjoy following the American greats, Spencer Lee, Kyle Dake, Jason Nolf and the like. Just awesome .. thanks Chael for what you bring the the landscape.
Huge Chael W. Would love an ADCC rules grappling tournament between UFC fighters and other prominent wrestlers/grapplers.
Islam would definitely beat an NCAA wrestler lol
Just like people thought Serena would beat a top 5 guy
Maybe Division 2. But the best in Division 1 I’d highly highly doubt it
Islam doesn't need NCAA championship, he is *THE BEST FIGHTER ON THE PLANET*
No he’s not
But Islam already wrestled Carter? He practices with all the olympic champs
I get that bo is trying to reference pure wrestling as a difference but Makhachev is a combat sambo world champion, an international master of sport - that’s not pure wrestling. Sambo is an amalgamation of judo and pankration that often uses chain-wrestling and grappling. It’s best use in MMA, which Islam is the UFC champion in.
As always chael making bullshit sound interesting. 😂
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Who the hell is bo nickal.??
Just call yourself a casual
Who is Bo Nical for a thousand ALEX
the guy that lost to Val Woodburn
@@nitrox1613 No non casual fan gives a flying F about Bob Nickal mate.
@@nitrox1613I think the op meant: who the fook is that guy?
As a former D1 wrestler and life long fight fan this is my favorite content! Keep the wreslting content plz! People don’t really understand the nuances between the three wreslting styles and the effectiveness of folk style as opposed to the other two! and the potential effectiveness comparably of different grappling sets such as combat sambo etc
EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE in the 185 and 205 division is LUCKY Chael is retired…. UNDEFEATED
Blasphemy! How Could You Forget the heavyweight can be scared as well?
Islam literally trains with olympian Gold medalists in Wrestling at his home.
Wtd bo nickel even crying abouz
@@zoro8117 what year are you talking about??? Almost all the MMA Russians are judo or Greco style and heavily depend on the wall grappling. Khabib and all his proteges are not shooting singles and doubles. DC moves better then all them too at 100lbs heavier. So did Cain.
@@arizonatea3734 lol you have no clue. Even chael sonnen himself said that if evrery nations had no Limits on how many wrestlers represent them then Dagestan would have like 70% of medals.
Khabib did shoot a lot of double and Single legs. He even submitted Sholarus After a Single leg. He ragdolled d2 wrestker with 21 takedowns in 3 rounds.
They PREFER to use cage because its easier for them. Does not mean they are bad at double leg you are casual as it gets.
Dagis literally have on of fastest and most beautiful double and Single legs in ufc
Guys like magomedkhabib, silver medalist who destroyed kyle dake 11:0 trains with islam. Sadulaev and other Gold medalists from same village too.
You are delusional
Bo is just putting up for his College. He's wrong and knows it.
Makhachev also won the gold medal in Fias Combat Sambo world championship which is better than being NCAA champion. Even Merab failed to win the Fias Combat Sambo world championship, Merab won silver medal.
@@zoro8117 please show examples. And I'm not delusional I just know that most non Americans depend on wall wrestling. I've trained with d1 guys, and judo black belts. Non American grapplers definitely do not have an advantage without wall grappling and there's 30 years of MMA to show that.
18-22yr old "boys" win freestyle wrestling at the olympics all the time. Thats not a good talking point.
It matters, it's just one portion.
Bo didn't make it past olympic trials
@@gcoffey223 Chaels opening argument was that the NCAA tournament is for "boys" and Islam has man muscles. Many of those boys win the Olympics for wrestling. So I don't see how it's relevant, especially as your opening statement. Peak wrestling age is like 24-26. Man muscles don't help.
@@gcoffey223Freestyle wrestling and folkstyle wrestling are more different from each other than BJJ is from MMA.
@@gcoffey223Islam didn't even make it to the Olympic trials
Is Bo still fighting?... is Colby still fighting? What's up with them.. barely ever see them these days
Still looking for down bad bums that needs $12K. That's what happened
I’m not sure if many here agree with me, but I absolutely LOVE hearing the compare/contrast between the grappling/wrestling styles across the planet. I wrestled 40 plus years ago and I didn’t know what I didn’t know back then. Please more informationals on this with examples!!
At this moment im not even sure Bo Nickal can submit Paul Craig in MW. He might even can submitted
Yes! Agree. It is apples and oranges. International (freestyle) wrestling does very little on top and bottom compared to US folkstyle wrestling. In freestyle you just stay flat on bottom until (wait for it) THE REFEREE LET'S YOU UP! Not in US Folkstyle/Collegiate where you can get rode and broken down (and turned and pinned) for the entire period and entire match! So often when the international wrestlers come to the US--and they have not practiced riding & turns or getting up off bottom for a lifetime, they are usually good at the junior college or DIII level with some exceptions. They hit a ceiling fast because they can get takedowns and let the guy up (rinse repeat) or just try and not get pinned on bottom (or maybe once in a blue moon do a stand up). But they lack folkstyle skills on top and bottom....But they only have real expertise on the feet and cannot compete when they are put in referees position or taken down and have to get up. Why US wrestling (and BJJ and some other disciplines) work well in MMA? The referee does not let you up off bottom! Today in NCAA DI few international wrestlers could do much beside get called for stalling and a few takedowns...My own example, I would get beat in high school folkstyle tournaments in January then beat the same guys in May in freestyle because I was better on my feet and in lifting guys than top/bottom. (Folkstyle is the US' ace in the hole for MMA success..)
Why doesn’t the UFC do weigh ins like NCAA wrestling? I don’t see how rampant weight cuts and dehydration are good for MMA. Someone like Poatan should never be a middleweight.
Fighters need time to rehydrate and would cut a lot anyway which causes a safety concern. When fighters are too dehydrated they get knocked out easier
@@jacks6684 I feel like fighters would be forced to stop dehydrating if the weigh in was so close because it wouldn’t be worth, for instance, the lethargy or risk of getting knocked out so easily. Some people might do it anyway at first, but the naturally harsh lesson of being so dehydrated during a fight seems like it would force a cultural shift from where it currently stands because the current weight cutting culture is a disgrace. Fighters complain about it all the time but say that they don’t want to get bullied by other weight cutters. Rogan, one of the bigger voices in the sport, says that this form of cheating has more of an effect than PEDs. And it seems like shifting the weigh in closer to the fight would do a big part in neutralizing all of this over time.
Islam is so far past a ncaa championship, bro is P4P number 1 in the Ultimate Fighting Championship. But yes I think Islam could win an ncaa title
He wouldn’t even qualify for NCAAs
Lol. Some people know nothing about sports. I.e. you.
Dude, American wrestling is a top 5 place for wrestling, but Russia, Iran, Turkey, central Asian countries, are pretty darn good. Think about this, the Russian Tank from Dagestan Abdul Rashid Sandulaev considered the greatest wrestler wrestles with khabib and Islam. How about khadjimurat Gatsalov beating the greatest collegiate wrestler in Cael Sanderson. I think BO and former wrestlers say this to boost their own egos. He’s just not humble. I bet Islam would beat Bo in a freestyle wrestling match. They should do a ufc fight and a wrestling match.
@@mansoorp8355huh? Bro Bo fights at 185 and Islam 155
Haha you are terrible at life. Go walk in the passing lane.
Doubt Bo could beat Islam even though he’s two weight classes heavier.
Bo 'padded record' Nickal
You must not know what a padded record is. Khabib had a padded record for fight debut guys as a 10-0 guy. Bo nikal is like 6-0 aginst some ufc and real regional opponents
Not really, he’s going against the people he should
@polarman1747
Bo is a can beater, and couldn't take down his last unranked fighter.
@@polarman1747You must not know what a padded record is either
@@polarman1747 bo is fighting cans in the ufc to pad his record. khabib and islam didnt fight nobodies their whole career in the ufc like bo so stop it
I actually do believe Islam could do it in a full wrestling match, however if it is done in an octagon, where he can't be pushed outside, cause this is how they all win in NCAA
Brilliant! Wrestling 101. Professor Chael! Can we get Bo a ranked a opponent? Hermansson sounds good. I want Bo to start fighting and stop talking.
Chael P. What was ur take on CJI? Heard Luke Thomas really praising a lot about it and I am surprised that you haven't had a take on it.
No mma fan outside of America gives a shit about the NCAA. Every mma fan cares about the lightweight belt and p4p number 1. End of
You should hear how much respect Islam and Khabib give to wrestling. You would have to be in the know to understand how hard it is to be an elite wrestler 😂
@@nitrox1613 yep... Olympic wrestling. NCAA is only talked about in America
I’m ready for a Bo fight against a #10-15 guy. What’s going on?
Askren did such a good job he got knocked out in less ten seconds
Chael bleeds jocks fuel!!!
Never seen him drink any though 🤔
@chorleycake7942 i bought some unfortunately it was horrible
DC had bought those NCAA kids to AKA and Khabib n Islam toyed with them, all the while thrashing DC 🤣
I’m surprised by the Bo Nickal hate lol.
He’s a promising prospect, classy, respectful, confident and borderline arrogant.
What’s not to love? I’m really surprised by the fans sometimes because we get good fights from these people. Especially Bo will only get better… he has about 7 years before peak and we’re gonna get some great fights from him.
When we live in a world with inactive champions, champions who duck contenders and boring fighters who abuse a stupid scoring system… we should really celebrate these fighters. They’re carrying the sport and keeping us coming back for more. Idk why y’all hate Nickal. I really don’t get it lol.
Haines, Otoole, Mesenbrink, Hamiti all smash in folkstyle
There is of course a big individual difference for people from different wrestling backgrounds. Bo Nickal, Khamzat Chimaev and Khabib Nurmagomedov are all undefeated in the UFC. I hope there are not many who don't consider them good and efficient grapplers, with different backgrounds.
Maybe all undefeated but not at the same level of skill.
Islam has the skills in neutral to score multiple takedowns on any ncaa wrestler up to o toole and carr for sure. But in folkstyle i could see him struggling with the grounded scrambling funky keegan otoole type stuff. As well as top bottom reverals and tilts. Noone is pinning him though. And ironically he pins a lot of guys with bo nickal style counter neck wrenches, whizzer tosses, and step overs.
Agree 100%!! college wrestlers can keep you down, and Islam would kickass in Submission grappling.
Chael talk about what is being talked about!!! Bo is talking about wrestling and his organization of PSU... Dave Hart world champion 4x wrestling under PSU, his brother silver metal 2x world Champion... The list of PennState world champion wrestlers is literally undefined since the 70s... Bo is a world champion wrestler at PSU as well... and because Dake is trying to train Islam doesnt make Islam a world champion wrestler...
Straight facts from Chael Sonnen
Do you think UFC should do same day weigh ins??? Would probably stop alot of weight bullying.
Bo who?
Bo Nickle is the Colby Covington of 155
Bos 185
Triggered Muslim guy😂
Peak casual take
1. Islam could do #165
2. O’ Toole would still tech him
3. Messenbrink would beat him too as well as guys you’ve never heard of
Islam in the under 80kg weight class at CJI would have been lit
"end of story" continues story 😂😂.
Jeg tror ikke et øjeblik på historien om brydere, der kvalificerer sig til OL uden at have trænet judo tidligere. Hvilke brydere er der tale om?
Can someone answer my question: why does Bo Nickal not fight regularly ? He’s not ranked…. He’s 29 (not young like I’m constantly hearing) it doesn’t make any sense surely he should be fighting regularly and climbing the ranks on track to the top 8 guys
That wasnt belarussian Chael. It is another dagestani, Magomedkhabib who fights for Belarussia
Also Islam did sambo and itd way more effective than collegiate wrestling
He could be competitive. Different styles make match ups
Chael beat Tito in under a minute in an NCAA tournament!😮
It’s exhausting listening to Chael make a point.
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We should be talking about DC saying the 40 year old Brazilian kickboxer could be a 97kg gold medalist in freestyle.
That’s how weight cutting needs to be for MMA.
S-tier Chael video
Bragging about NCAA is like bragging about winning Superbowl. Nobody outside of US cares about that. Hell most likely they didn't even know these competition exist. 😂
Like Aspinall, Bo will wait until Islam is about to retire to call him out. Like Aspinall couldn't have been in that fight against Jones instead of Gane. Like we wouldn't LOVE to see Bo vs Islam RIGHT NOW. But we plebs dont deserve the best fights. "There are levels to this sh*t!"
Chael is professional shitt talker.
NCAA Champ
@@Smoshylife theyre too different sports brother. i get ur point basically that being a ufc champ means more than being a NCAA champ to the average person. but theyre two different sports, one mma one wrestling u cant say its like sayin "college is better than pro leagues" NCAA is the highest level of wrestling you can get to behind olympic. A D1 champ would maul most ufc champs in a pure wrestling match, but a ufc champ would probably knock the wrestlers head off his shoulders in mma. its pro leagues vs pro leagues just in different sports.
@@copbutcher1312 NCAA aint the pro leagues is what I'm saying. When I say pro leagues for wrestling,I'm saying (even excluding olympics) like the international championship tournaments where people like Snyder are medaling at. I agree with you
By that level of grappling, you do realize that you mean a lower level of grappling, right? -80kg at CJI was much more stacked than the lower weight classes at ADCC. There's no way in hell Islam would make it past Kade, and idk who he could've even beaten in the first round, if any. I would love to see him and Kade, though. More interesting than any of his potential matchups at ADCC. Andrew would be interesting, too, given how much Andrew focuses on positional control. O'Flanagan for how sneaky out of nowhere subs. Nicky Ryan to see if he could still beat Islam on his worst day
It wouldn't make near as much difference for Islam, but until now I hadn't really thought about just how much of a disadvantage Khabib would've been at in ADCC due to not having any sort of walls to wrestle against. He wouldn't be able to do much at all, having to work in the open like that. Would be interesting if we could've seen that, and then gotten to see him at CJI to see how much difference the pit walls made for him
There are old vids on the tube with Khabib competing in local grappling contest in the US, time he only knew few snglish words.. when he was newly signed by ufc and not yet under Ali's mngmt nor Javier's coaching. He looked small compared to some of his opponents Abdulmanap's students were trained w/o cages/walls. Khabib, Islam & their batchmates grew up training combat sambo, judo and wrestling.. disciplines not requiring physical boundaries so they never had a cage in their gym. Their team excelled in combat sambo.. they consistently produced regional finalist and world champions. They only ever experienced fighting inside octagon or ring when they started competing in amateur mma.
I forgot about Bo, but he would win against anyone outside the top 4
With JockoFuel its now possible to become a NCAA champ - Machachev
It changed only because most collegiate wrestlers fell in love with striking to much.
Interesting video
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Finally , Chael finally put down that can .
Ric Flair is the best American wrestler. Non-debatable.
islam has been competing in wrestling since he was born this is normal for him
What weight? He isn’t beating Cstar , O’toole or MM. that’s from 165-184. Isn’t beating keck at 184 either.
how many ufc champs come out of Penn wrestling program in the next 10 years?
Have him compete in beat the streets… it would be interesting
It would be cool but the risk of getting injured I doubt the UFC or his management would let him. Ben Askren got thrown from the stage lol
Islam is a world champion Sambo competitor, he is a mma world champion. Hes just as decorated as bo nickle
Can he just keep fighting, like holy shit
The wrestlers are gonna come to juju if they have big prize money. Once they start training and competing in juju…. They’re gonna piss all over the bjj parade. I think the writing was on the wall with the Craig jones tournament. For those guys to jump in with no experience competing at that level and doing that well is 🤯
TOOK BO 2 RNDS TO FINISH CODY BRUNDAGE. KHAKZAT DESTROYED WHITTAKER IN 1 RND.
Makachev would get rag dolled
NFC. No freakin Chance- NADA-ZILCH-ZERO. Forever USA guys wrestled our style-for 8-10 years-then if we wanted to go to the Olympics we had to learn a different style-it is a tribute to USA wrestlers that a fair number succeeded- Doug Blubaugh PINNING the best wrestler in the world-and Iranian multi-time world champion
(he caught him when the Iranian was doing a takedown clinic-)on third attack-whipped him over-no chance he was bridging out -he tried-bridged to moon-nope.
In any case-waaaay back 1960's-Oklahoma State would recruit THE BEST WRESTLER from Japan-and he-3 in a row-U-TAKE (SIC) Rocky A-O-KEE. FUJITA-and they were NCAA champions-but....they were hand selected-and spent plenty of time folks style wrestling.
Now our-USA-guys are sooo good-and they are frequently OLDER than they were back when-a 23 year old-is close to peak quickness-strength-and does not have the injuries-probably-that a 30 yo MMA guy has-plus our guys all have BIG FUEL TANKS-no resting allowed-no punching no choking and you CAN step on lead foot-
ZERO chance these guys could go in NCAA's and beat Bo Nickal-or Brooks- or Bouroughs-ZERO-in folks style-ZERO
Bo nickal should fight a ranked opponent before he give his opinions on Islam
Beau Bartlett would smoke Islam on the mat
he is training with olympian Gold medlist and Bo is talking about collage wrestling 😂
Islam is fighting 5 to every one Bo does. He is all talk at this point
I’ve heard it a 100x winning a NCAA D1 National Championship is harder than winning a UFC title. Mainly bc of the route they have to take to win it. As chael mentioned in the beginning.
Chael nobody was waiting for Jocko mule
Surprise guys! Bo isn’t the first national champion wrestler in the UFC 😭😭
Casuals love hype trains and not history. There’s been plenty of historically great wrestlers in the ufc and all it proves is wrestling is important. Not that it’s the key to winning cuz it’s just not. I can provide examples for days. Olympic wrestlers, ncaa champs, state hs champs, juco champs, all of it. There’s been an example for each one. Stop acting like Bo is the only good wrestler to start mma.
Id give him a year or so to learn the rules and the different moves. MMA wrestling is different and a lot he would do would end up giving up penalty points.
He would not be in Carter’s weight class. wtf! College wrestlers do more extreme weight cuts than ufc fighters.
I still don't know what the heck Jocko Fuel is! Energy drink or something?
Cstar is moving up isn’t he?