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- Much to Mark’s delight, Ryan Muckenhirn joins him and Jimmy to discuss the 300 WSM. (Sorry, Texans - there’s a lot of different pronunciations we throw around of “WSM” in this one). All of Jimmy’s joking to poke fun at Mark aside, the 300 WSM is one impressive cartridge and to quote Ryan himself, could be looked at as “The modern day gentleman’s 30-06”. That’s a big claim to make, but could it be true? We talk all about design, performance, comparisons and limitations (Just to bug Mark) in this quick podcast!
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literally any cartridge, I could listen to a full-length episode on any cartridge. just do them all please
Fax
I see we suffer from the same disease.
Yep! I have that same thought
seconded
.22 short
I have a custom 300 WSM that shoots 190 Berger bullets with extreme accuracy at 600 plus yards. On different occasions I have made insane shots with this rifle and it totally devastates Elk at those same distances. Two years ago I shot a legal bull in the neck at 535 yards away. The bull was walking away from me and he was about to go over the ridge out of my sight. The bull stopped and slightly quartered sticking his neck out to eat some grass. I had my scope dialed to the yardage, put the crosshairs on his neck and squeezed the trigger.. He dropped like a roach out of the sky. I’ve owned many rifles but this is hands down the most accurate rifle I’ve ever owned. It is a total killing machine. 300 WSM is a great cartridge and it is inherently accurate..
Awesome 😎 300WSM rocks! Glad someone else loves this round. Very under appreciated.
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Agreed
I've used the .300WSM nearly exclusively since 2006 with 180 Accubonds. I've taken 3 moose, a bear, deer, a wolf, and a whole bunch of caribou with it and it's never left me wanting.
Amen I have similar results with large game. I love the 300wsm and have shot game at 300yds. I use 180 gr for all game including black bear.
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same same, in Alaska too.
Just bought my first 300WSM to hunt our Idaho ranch. Years ago I had a 270WSM but traded it away. Good news is I kept all my brass and they are excellent, resized, for 300.
300 wsm is definitely my favorite rifle round for anything under 200 gn, plan on building a 300 PRC soon for the long 200+ gn rounds.
10 min talk, compressed into 19:28 minutes. Gotta love it!
.300 short mag is what I've always heard it called
Same here, mainly because Winchester was assumed. Just like a lot of people say 308 because the only 308 cartridge is the .308 Win.
I just shot a 300 WSM for the first time this week for a upcoming review. I loved it, shot great, very accurate.
i own one in remington model 700 LSS ,, 300 wsm ,, just insane ,, love it more then any gun i own ,,, that thing drops moose up here in canada like nothing
In what universe does a 308 Winchester push a 165 grain bullet @ 3000 fps? That GMX loading you're holding is rated at 2750 fps out of a 24 inch barrel. The vast majority of 308 rifles have 22 inch or shorter barrels, so 3000 fps is a pipe dream.
Right !,
Yeah 3000 fps from a 165 grain is a bomb really lol.
I'm having a hard time digesting that one as well but I'm pretty new to all this. I'm getting a 300 win .
I just developed a load with 165 grain partitions , rem 700 5r 24" tube, lapua brass , 44.5 varget and 2762fps on magneto speed.
@@Macmathews1 that's some "giddy up"
Huge 300 WIN Short fan. Shot it in competition in the early 2000's. We got along very well and will always love it.
Don’t know why but ‘wizzum’ just sounds awful to me.
Yes it sounds real douche
Sounds like gizzum
@@kirkmartin2223 I think you mean jizzum
@@shitsngiggles8371 haha you are correct.
Is sounds like something that happens to your body after you drink the water in Mexico...
I don’t know what it is but I could have you guys playing 24/7 in my background. There’s just something very calming to me hearing you guys talk about guns and calibers in a way that is loose and creative. Oddly enough I could listen for hours!
I have recently bought a 300 WSM custom Barrel and action I can truly say it is one of my three favorite rifles. It is highly efficient, giving the owner maximum efficiency. It is also poised to handle very long, high bc projectiles for single-feed ELR shooting. In fact this round appears to be born to run ELR matches. It's like 30 caliber platform that is hard to beat. Thank you for showcasing this awesome platform!
can you do a 10MinuteTalk on the 6.5x55 Swede??
I have a 300 wsm in Browning a bolt Medallion, I love this gun ,it is just an awesome cartridge, a real tack driver.
Excellent video! Great to see the 300WSM get some light. I have been shooting my xbolt 300WSM with 200gr ELX, 185 g Berger Hydrid and 200g Federal Terminal Ascent with great results
I have a 300 WSM Browning A-Bolt stainless stalker ! This is a tack driver and I love it !!! Amazing Rifle and caliber !!!
Always liked the Tikka T3 for the WSM rounds, they're a long-action rifle with single-stack mags. Feed like greased lightning and dead accurate. I recall a few folks having issues with early .270 WSMs but the Tikkas always shot amazing.
Just bought a tikka t3x lite. First gun owned ever, went the 30-06. Amazing rifles.
300 WSM is a great cartridge especially when chambering is a Tikka T3 Lite 24” barrel. I have owned two rifles chambered in the cartridge; Browning A-Bolt, and now the Tikka T3 Lite both shot excellent no problem feeding magazine to chamber.
So glad to finally hear about the WSM family on the show! I’d like to see one of the longer episodes on 7mm cartridges and history of some of the good 284s
7mm will be coming :)
7mm wsm guys missed the boat on that cartridge smh.... Best dam long range hunting caliber you can buy
I argue that with today’s bullet technology, the need for projectiles heavier than 180 grains for any game in the world is unnecessary. Just nothing on this earth that will stop or not die quickly from a 165-180g TTSX or LRX at any ethical range.
300 wsm is all ya need.
I believe you’re probably right. A 180 Barnes is going put down the largest elk , moose or grizz . Big browns on the coast idk but I’m sure one of those rounds through the lungs or heart of any animal will do the job
7mm Mauser killed many elephants it’s ballistically identically to the 7mm-08 so with out a doubt the 300wsm could most definitely kill any thing big enough to die
Youre right but at long range its not about the killing power its about the BC
Very true 👍🏻👍🏻
I have a 7mmwsm and a 300wsm and have been in love with them since they where released, I come from a very strong back ground from reloading
If you had to pick one…
So good to listen to you guys, thanks. Please consider the modern 6.5x55 as a topic please. Everyone is so hung-up on Creedmors and Grendels... but the old one still gets the job done, especially in AI.
Great job gents. Listening all the way from South Africa.
I have owned a remington model seven .300 wsm ,the whitetail edition . Ive only ever shot barnes ttsx 165gr and never had an issue absolutely love the .300wsm .
This was awesome. Wanted to know more about my A-1 Bolt .300 WSM so finding this was exactly what I wanted to hear!
Excellent overview! Yes! powder capacity is a minor WSM limitation compared to 300 Win Mag...even for 180 gr monolithic bullets, some published WSM loads are compressed loads compared to the same powder load in a 300 Win Mag. (I am old school up here in interior Alaska and hand load and hunt with a 300 H & H Magnum)
Excellent ! I’ve had .300 Win Mag , .300 WSM & .300 Weatherby Mag. Only have the .300 Weatherby now, it simply did everything I needed it to.
My family’s been shooting two Winchester model 70 super shadows in 25 WSSM for years, taken a bunch of deer and moose with them. Never had a single feeding issue so far that I can recall. It’s a great little cartridge and that super short action length makes them ideal for growing kids. Glad I have a ton of brass for them.
Would love to see one of these pods in a .257 wby and 270wsm
I’ve got both and am torn between the two
Love these videos! I've always been a little partial to the SAUM cartridges, but mostly because I can get them in the model Remington model Seven, and because they have a slight edge in bench guns...but...thats splitting hairs. Do a talk on the 6.5mm-06 Ackley, please! One of my favs!
Back when the wsm first came out a local gunsmith and i took the wsm cartridge all the way down to 6mm and all the way up to .458. My favorite is the 35 cal. A 250 gr @ 2850 fps . Its flatter than a 30-06 and hits like a mac truck. Ive built several since and people love them
I’m fairly new to the channel and have been sweeping through some awesome content.
Ryan has so much knowledge on different cartridges but I haven’t heard him talk about his favorite all around hunting cartridge and it’s killing me lol.
Can y’all do a best hunting caliber video???
I have a Winchester model 70 in the 300 short mag. I love the gun and cal. It shoots great.
I'm a real ballistics geek. I love the science behind ballistics and precision shooting in general. That being said, I love to see advances in technology just for their own sake. Maybe not 15 years ago, but now a 300 WSM will do everything a 300 Win Mag can do in a smaller, more efficient package. That just makes me feel good, the idea that we can still make things better.
I picked up my first 300wsm almost by accident. I was needing an elk rifle and bought a model 70 in 300wsm not knowing anything about it. Since then I have picked up several others including the browning a bolt and a blr. I hunt texas and alaska and find the 300wsm my go to for all my rifle hunts usinh the 180g nosler loads. I am also a huge fan of the 325wsm which is an 8mm version of the rifle that works well in a 200g configuration. I like the recoil, accuracy, and performance of the 300 and 325 but all the wsm's in general
The wizzim stuff cracks me up 🤣 I'd love to hear a podcast on how new bullet technology has impacted the sport with these new heavy for caliber bullets becoming available. i.e. 90gr 223, 250gr 30 cal, 550gr 416, etc.
That's a great point to bring up - those are very intriguing! Thanks for the suggestion!
Could you guys cover the .338 Federal?
Brovo, not a Vortex fan but you guys deliver great information. The .30-06 is really worth putting front and center. Availability and price along with performance with all sorts of bullets.
Leupold fan for 60 years but I like these young guys putting in new info and help keep the hunting tradition going
Pre Win Short Mag days, my eyes leaned towards a .300 or a .330 Dakota. However a "no B.S." writer in the 80s gave the Dakota a dismal ratings concerning the mechanical ability to feed reliably. Some of the first Win mod 70s chambered for the .270WSM were sent back to the factory for feeding problems. So I dropped the idea of owning a short mag and relied on my old 8mmRem Mag. Waiting to see what's in store for necking up the .300PRC, maybe .358. Really enjoy your videos, accurate information. And welcome to handloading rookies, be safe.
I'd like a whole podcast of the break downs in different bullet selection for different applications. (Weights, construction, calibers, and uses)
Cracking cal the 300wizzum.
Love your work & it is that great!
Excellent video. Love the cartridge talks 👌🏻
Great video! I bought a Browning A- bolt in .300 WSM years ago for a relative. He ended up pissing me off so I kept it.Glad I did. I have shot several trophy Missouri bucks and one Canadian bull moose. It does have some recoil in that light A bolt though but totally manageable.
7wsm out of a mountain ti can be a bit rough. Smoked an elk at 525 though.
After watching this video for probably the 5th time I’d really like to see you guys do an extended cartridge review on the WSM family!!!!
That's a great idea mate cheers Yogi 👍🤘🇦🇺
Love my 2 Abolt (II) 300 WSMs. Also love my 2 270 WSMs in Abolt (II). I load Nosler 180 gr Accubond over RL17 but am about to try RL16 and a couple of other bullets.
Went from skeptic to full scale fan after owning one. Fantastic concept getting much closer to 300 Win Mag performance than I thought possible.
Want to shoot heavier bullets with a short mag and not give up so much case capacity? The 325 WSM is the answer. Most people have never heard of it.
@@William_Charles_Baker I stupidly sold mine. Amazing round as well.
great video series - keep up the good work
good episode. my son-in-law got a great deal on a Browning 7 WSM when he started hunting. Ballistically identical to the 7 RM and he has a roomful of trophy mounts to show for it. However, ammo is hard to find and expensive. Had he to do it over he probably would have gotten the Big 7 like his hunting buddy has, or gone with 300 WM or 300 WSM depending on what rifle was available.
Good episode? The screaming Cougar in the middle rendered this the best ever!!!!
Just bought a Browning Xbolt 300wsm. Light gun and shoulders quickly. Love it.
How’s the recoil? Thinking about picking one up in this round but I’m not a very big dude lol
Mine has a decent butt pad which comes factory. I am 6' 200lbs it doesn't bother me. Some people will tell you different. One shot, one kill type of rifle. Most any gun has recoil.
I have one in a Savage model 12 varminter low profile, every accurate love the round with 165 Barnes Tip , flat out awesome
I have been going back and forth for a new custom hunting rifle. Currently hunt with 300WM and have 6.5CM and Grendel that can pull backduty. Was going to do a 6.5PRC but I think the 300WSM shooting 205 Bergers is the perfect all around load for anything from antelope to moose/griz.
35 whelen deserves a 10 minute talk!!
I built mine on a tikka t3x 7mm action. I kept the long action bolt stop and use the factory mags that are about 3.4” long. Using those mags I’m able to load a 300 wsm at 3.1” and match the win mag with 190’s and 210 or 212’s. I absolutely love the setup and love not having a belt on my case.
300 WSM was designed around having a shorter barrel length. In fact you don't lose much velocity compared to some other by having a shorter barrel length. This makes the 300 WSM ideal for shooting suppressed with a 20 inch barrel and a 6 inch suppressor. Still maintaining a 500-700 yard capable elk gun (if you can't close the gap), fairly compact and hitting like a truck.
What kind of velocities are you running at 20”. I have a tikka t3 at 24”, at 3100 with Barnes ttsx. Thinking of going shorter to accommodate suppressor length.
Don't forget it held the record for smallest extreme long range group for nearly a decade.
i will stick with my .300 win mag
I remember reading about this when it came out and I was in high school. To me this cartridge is proof that there's more to the success of new rounds than fads and hype and marketing. The gun mags tossed their hats in the air and cheered in the bright new era of hyperefficient short action magnums. They did more with less and shaved a few ounces off a full magnum action, so they got chambered into flyweight guns. They sold a few, made a bunch of other short mags, then it turned out nobody wanted a magnum of any length in a 5 pound rifle. The hype, she died. Appreciate hearing about this from 20 years later.
@Bill Madd That is fair. I would absolutely get that. I ran the numbers and with the newest bullets it keeps up with every major big game cartridge out to farther than I wanted to calculate.
A few years ago reloading 300 wsm sizing the the cases was a problem. I was told to send 5 spent cases and my die back to the manufacture and they would retool the die size. After shooting all my new brass I sold the T3. Is that still the “case” or have the rifle manufactures fixed that problem?
The 300 wsm that I have in a Sako a7 will shoot just about any loading to an inch or under. Very nice case design.
Same thing on my Sako 85 and Tikka’s that I own!
The man in the middle with the screaming cougar cap can empty beer cans faster than you can poke holes in them with a .300 WSM!
Win or lose we drink more booze! GO COUGS!!!!
6mm ARC Gas Gun , 308 & 300 WSM are my 3 favorites
I love mine!!
Handier barrel length 24" vs 26 " Shorter action and I honestly think there is less perceived recoil and sold my 300 win
Only downside is cant shoot 200 grain + very well. Would have said ammo is a little bit harder, but nothing is available these days haha
Love this, got to say 300 RUM would make my day!
Recently came across these videos have enjoyed each one I've watched so far. I'd be interested in hearing their thoughts on a 325 WSM at some point.
For what its worth I bought a 325 wsm..when they 1st came out & ended up selling it because I prefer my 300 wsm .It can do pretty much what a .325 can do with less recoil and much better ammo selection.
@@mk-xh6jt Nothing against the 300 WSM, it's a good caliber and ammo is easily found. I've sadly been turned off the 300 WSM due to a friend constantly pushing it. For ammo the 300 WSM has more variety but the 325 WSM has had more options come out since it was introduced, especially if you load your own rounds.
Now I don't own, or have I ever shot a 300WM, but my understanding is the 300WSM has less felt recoil just because it is more efficient (less powder needed for equal velocity produced). This was not mentioned as an advantage, and for me is a pretty important one. It doesn't make sense to me, but I have experienced significant recoil from a 30-06 in a Thompson Center Encore, whereas the recoil of my 300WSM Winchester Classic Model 70 is fine. I pretty sure the 300WM recoil is more than the 30-06. Maybe someday I will get to try all three in similar rifles and that will shed some light on this.
I’ve been thinking about upgrading my ELR .308 to a barrel and bolt change to a .300 WSM not I’m setting it up for a single shot ELR application where seating depth can. E as long as possible for the 220’s 230’s and 245 Berger’s do you think it would come close to the .300 WM
Love the 300 WSM. Super accurate with 165 gr.
Can you do a talk on the .260 Remington please.?
Happy I have been watching these gentleman for awhile now, as I can understand the "inside jokes" on the .300 WSM... with that said, what a great episode with the jocularity AND education (history of said WSM). Great banter between Mark and Jim and EXCELLENT information from Mr MuckenhIrn. Personally I like the .300 Win Mag, alas I unfortunately have never had the opportunity to fire a .300 WSM.
Suggestions... how about .50 cal :-))
Kids talking about stuff we already knew from the time when we were their age. Love it, my Dad always said it was a waste of time studying ballistics, firearms design, and cartridge case design. I even made gunpowder.
I would like to see an episode about when improving the twist rate breathes new life into an older chambering such as the 270 Winchester
The issue is that you'll eat into your case capacity running the longer bullets in the "older" chamberings. ie 6mmCM vs 243 or 6.5CM vs 260Rem.
I've got the same setup with a Browning A-bolt stainless in 300 wsm. It's about a 7 pound rifle and works great.
These 10min. talks are like the "video addition" of Cartridges of the World". Glad I found them. Now, put a bdc reticle in the scout scope, please.
Kay question off topic but for my vortex crossfire 2 3-9x40 scope can I dial after I re zero at 100 yards and get 300 yards to 500 yards for 30-06
I shoot federal premium 200 grain 300 WSM out of a Tikka T3. Never had an issue. Lots of energy and very accurate.
My browning x bolt with a 26 inch barrel absolutely smokes 150 grain bullets at 3470 fps. It’s definitely my favorite caliber.
I’ve never shot the 300wsm how dose the recoil compare to the 308 or 30-06 I’m looking at a really light rifle and deciding what to get it chambered in
I still have my A Bolt 11 Stainless Stalker in 300WSM and it is light enough to carry all day with accuracy to boot. I have a 300 Win Mag also but with the 26" barrel that the Win Mag needs and longer action I prefer the A Bolt 11 every time. Thanks for sharing!
Just bought myself a Savage 11 in 300 WSM today ...
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@@georgefloydspaceshuttlepro1839 , you are welcome
@@georgefloydspaceshuttlepro1839 I bought a fully automatic 50 bmg AR-15 with a bayonet and folding stock and lots of high capacity drums 🙄
The ending was the best part lol
"do it all killing stick" i love it
Love this caliber
I can't cycle my bolt thaaaat faaaast ! Oh the WSM ! Thank you Winchester! Any hunting vid with long actions follow up and do the job. We're off to see the WSM the wonderful WSM of oz because because because because beeeecaaause the wonderful things he does !!!
Personally I would like see a few less magnums that duplicate other magnums. It would be nice to see unique cartridges like the .375 cheytac in mass production.
The 300 WSM is a great cartridge, but you’re right.
+1 on Brennan’s comment. And many can and should get airtime in several episodes. I’d love to see dedicated series(kind of like your NATO series) on African dangerous game cartridges. African plains game cartridges. American elk cartridges. And each series starting at the beginning of the need for said cartridges. Throughout the 20th century. And into this one. And your opinions on what the future might hold. Some star attractions imo would be 300 H&H, 404 Jeffery, and 9.3x62 just to name a very few. Some of the cartridges you already covered could be covered again but only in the context of being an elk cartridge. It’s history as such. Many, many candidates. And other categories such as sheep and goat, etc. Keep up the great work, guys. Love seeing the notification pop up for Vortex Nation!
We really do appreciate the feedback! That could be really cool to series them out. Thanks, Robert! :)
Let's hear about the 270 wsm , ive got one and love it along with all the other 270's I have lol 😆
Absolutely love my 300wsm in Browning xbolt.
I have used my A bolt 300 Esmeralda for deer, black bear and elk work wonderfully.
My 300wsm is a browning b.o.s.s rifle. It feeds well not superb but not bad at all and has no problem. The accuracy is awesome. I always wanted a 308 type rifle but didnt want a 308. Great review guys. I shoot 200gr eldx and have good success for elk. I use my 25-06 for pretty much everything else
I love my 300wsm t3 as much as my 7mm ,I use Federal 150 gr ballistic tip for deer 🦌 sweet accurate sub moa never had a deer go 30 yds
I'd like to hear about the 7x57. I'm looking for a lighter recoiling, 250 yard and in elk rifle, and am considering the 7x57. I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on it, especially with modern rifles and modern hand loads. Thanks guys.
Purchased 300WSM in Model 70 Winchester Coyote Light with Bell and Carlson stock for grandson. Installed JP Enterprises Titanium muzzle brake. Great all-round hunting rifle. Can load from light 308 up to 300 Win Mag....
OMG! I’ve been nerding out to cartridges and exterior ballistics for 20 + years! You guys know your stuff and it’s so nice to hear the objectivity of your arguments. Bravo! I wish I could be in the room with you guys, but we’d need 20 min talk! 😂 Like the fellow said previously, do all the cartridges!
I'm a big fan. Run a pretty mild load with 165gr Sierra TGC at 3100fps. I know I could run it hotter and maybe I will if the need arises but the slightly light load is a lot easier on brass and still does everything I could ask for.
Yup. I shoot a Sako 85 300 wsm and it's favorite is a 168 gr TTSX with a lighter dose of IMR 4350. Don't need it any hotter. Also load the 180 gr Accubonds and they shoot well with same powder. The 300 wsm covers all of my hunting needs in Wyoming, but even with reloads a little pricey for prairie dogs-they get the .223 Wylde...
Didnt the WSSM family of rounds have issues with the initial creator causing trouble? My buddy has a 243 wssm and it’s been a lights out cartridge from pigs to axis deer.
I have a Browning BLR in this caliber.....Fantastic deer rifle!!
Thank you. Another good podcast gentleman. I have a problem trying to find my one gun to hunt whitetails in Texas, and then go deer/elk hunting elsewhere. I’m looking at 30-06, 300 WSM, 280 Ackley Improved. Can you please help with my decision ?
280 rem love to hear take on. Love mine
Great cartridge. Dont forget to think about availability and cost. These factors might affect your choice. Thats why I rock the 30-06 and 7mm Rem mag.
Mark will tell you that the 300 WSM is just weird/popular enough that stores have to stock it, but no one hardly ever buys it, so it's always available - we'll have to have him tell the story about the time he found some at a gas station on a hunt once and it was the only box of ammo on their shelf. LOL
Me too.
So a buddy at camp just got a 6.5-300. Really nice. Great cartridge....but not so practical. Good cool factor and a great beanfield gun / antelope gun.
Last time I was in Cabela's, like 2 weeks ago, there was nothing on the rifle ammo shelves except 6mm creed, a few weatherby flavors, some 243, and LOTS of 300 wsm.
Interesting. I guess in a shortage all the popular ammo gets low. That strategy could work! Guess I need a 300 WSM. I like that round a lot.
Mark, is that a Washington State Uni Cougar’s hat you are wearing? Now I know why you are such a smart guy. Great video on a very good topic. Appreciate the blend of tech talk with typical cartridge debate. Thank you and well done. Just south of Seattle Gary.
Like to see input on a Nosler 28. Im from Idaho and usually use a 7mm Rem mag
Moderately better performance with shorter barrel life. Whether it’s worth it depends on how much you shoot.
Love the cartridge ten minute talks! I keep finding myself being drawn to 257 Roberts. Any chance of a ten minute talk on that? Pros and cons of an obsolete cartridge? It seems to have a cult following.
That's a cool one we'll for sure add to the list! Thank you very much.
Gunblue490 extolls its virtues here:
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@@VortexNation and maybe compare the .257 Roberts to the .257 weatherby mag. Pro’s and Cons...