No way! Very talented, but his chin was too weak to be considered an all-time great. He was a dirty fighter, too...had a habit of hitting fighters when they were down.
@@eddiedustin5449 I don't think his chin was made of glass? I think it was more like Tommy Morrison. When he got hit, he got hit with the whole damned kitchen🤷♂️
Troy shocked everybody in this fight even in defeat, Terry was one of the very best pound for pound fighters at this time and Troy being a no name at this time did what alot of underdogs has done in the past, give an exciting show.
Troy Waters had the heart of a lion to withstand a Terrible Terry Norris combinations like that. He also had a phenomenal jab straight right combination which landed on Terry giving him the most trouble. He throws it so un telegraphed which Terry couldn't see it coming, look at when Terry gets up from the knockdown the first punch Troy throws is a straight right without telegraphing it at all. SWEET SCIENCE.
Rest easy, TROY! great lad, and one heck of a scrapper. your country and family will never forget you. Along with your American fans. sail on across the sky!
This was Terry Norris in a nutshell. Comes out fast and puts Waters on the canvas plus the point deduction for hitting him on the floor then it nearly ends in disaster before Terry's class prevails. All in 3 wild rounds.
Came close to getting himself knocked out in a fight he should be winning with little trouble. As soon as he found out Waters was easy to hit he just unloaded with zero care to his defence. Didn't learn from this at all as he fought the same way against Simon Brown 2 fights later, difference being that Brown was a much better fighter than Waters, so Norris gets knocked out. Exciting to watch but tactically reckless. He could easily have picked Waters off, won every round and probably stopped him late on. Fighting the way he did gave Waters a puncher's chance.
Rip troy, I was lucky enough to have met you personally at the mundine gym in eveleigh street Redfern back in the year 1990 ,Troy you were a great boxing son of this wonderful country Australia taken away so young. I will always enjoy watching your fights on UA-cam. You can out of a great boxing family. Rip Troy.
It was the left hook to the body that put Norris down. The left hook to the body took his legs away. Norris felt it and that was the punch, not the right hook that glanced his head.
He was a compasssionate guy in this fight. Waters wanted to go on but was taking fearful punishment and the ref and doctor were going to let it go on. He made the brave decision to pull Waters out.
I come here time to time to watch this fight because Troy was so great and am saddened to hear what happened to him as I never saw this on the news in the UK.. RIP
If you watch you can see Waters give Terry a little bit of his own medicine and hit him when he was down. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Terry Norris fan. He was sometimes over exuberant and at others demonstrated poor judgement or carelessness.
Everyone makes excuses for Norris which is nonsense. He was a sucker puncher when he saw the opportunity without question. He knew what he was doing. When he tried that in the Sugar Ray Leonard fight I lost all respect for him. The Luis Santana fight he sucker punches him in two different bouts and gets disqualified. Look at his record numbers don't lie. He has 3 losses due to DQ. Stop saying it was in the heat of battle or poor judgment it is just called a sucker-punch. Hitting someone when their down on not looking.
Another quality central coast fighter. The honour roll from that region punches well above its weight. As you can see. Troy waters just about caused the biggest upset of that decade. Terry learnt why u dont take light any opponent
Damn! Norris was good, but acted like it was 3rd fights. You can tell he is a boxer puncher, but he forcing his punching power when he didn’t need too.✊🏿☀️🌟🔥💯
3rds fights is what I meant to say. It could have been the arrogance in his personality that went into the fight. He once had a high school fight on his baseball team because the N word was used, if I remember he put someone in the hospital
Respect to Adam for this vid of a true Australian champion. Can't help but thinking there was something not right about Troy not coming out for the 4th round, he seemed to be soaking punishment to tire Norris but showed he can also compete on his level (easily). He didn't seem hurt too much and in any other fight would have come out for the next round, something not right about this..., then I saw Don King in the Norris corner..... hello$$$$$$$$$
No,, that is just not true what you say. He was game and tough but this was a league to classy for him to compete. You have to be honest. With the right coaching maybe he could have been special, but he just didn't have it.
Norris was too good for Troy. Corner stoppage saved Troy from a terrible beating had it gone on. However in saying that all respect to Troy for his absolute bravery in the ring. RIP fella.
@@garywarner6526 notice in America it's always WHITE BOY or being described by your race, really sick place, love the freedom of beautiful Australia without that ugly crap
@@barrybarnes96 Can work great against a fighter who throws a lot of straight shots - jabs and right hands (see: Witherspoon v Larry Holmes), but against someone like Norris who has every punch in the book, is fast, aggressive and throws great short hooks and uppercuts you are asking for trouble. Waters best chance (not much of one tbh) here would be to try to pot shot at range as he had a decent jab, then try to tie Norris up in close. Ducking his head down he couldn't see the shots at all and was just relying on his gloves to save him. We can see how that worked out. This must have set a record for punch accuracy (for Norris) and shots landed by one guy in a 3 round fight.
“That’s not going to help his quest for one of the pound for pound best.” WHAT THE FUCK?!?!? Dude, what the FUCK are you talking about?!?!? Being able to come back from a round like that, that is a prerequisite that puts you closer to that title!!!!! SMMFH!!!!
Norris was considered one of the best after Chavez and Whitaker at this time. Compared to the two, Norris showed more moments of mortality. You talk about him coming back after nearly being KO'd in the 2nd but he shouldn't be in that position in the first place. Troy Waters was considered a nobody which is why they said it would be the upset of the decade if Norris lost. Norris had a good record but his notable victories were against boxers past their prime like Leonard and Mugabi and a worn-out boxer like Meldrick Taylor. He also didn't unify his belts against guys in his division like Julio Cesar Vasquez (WBA), Gianfranco Rosi (IBF), John David Jackson (WBO), Verno Philips (WBO). That's most likely not completely on him though, but both Chavez and Whitaker where able to unify their belts around this point.
False. He was super aggressive, walked into clean shots. You do that and unless your chin is granite you'll get in trouble. Norris wasn't super durable but nobody has a career like his with a "bad chin".
A lot of greats had suspect chins, but it doesn't mean they weren't great. Tommy Hearns comes to mind. Hearns is a legend but he lost to Iran Barkley, someone who shouldn't have lost to. He nearly lost to James Kinchen too because of that chin. Felix Trinidad would get dropped regularly too (Campas, Reid, Carr). The only losses Norris had in his prime were Julian Jackson, who was one of the hardest hitters in history and Simon Brown, who was a former P4P entrant. The Norris learned and boxed his way to an easy win. His later loss to Keith Mullings was Norris being on the downward slide as he lost his next 2 fights before retiring. Norris just had a tendency to brawl more than was sometimes necessary.
@@trackandfieldarchive Norris was much more vulnerable and flawed, even at his natural weight. We only saw Tommy become more vulnerable as he went multiple weight divisions.
RIP Troy. Suspect fight. Bias American commentary who were looking for any excuses when they got worried with Norris being wobbly. It was the American in Waters corner who decided to stop it. As usual, dodgy promoter, King screws his own 'away' fighter to cash in on future All-American match-ups. No real surprises, but always disappointing.
Biased? They were giving Waters major credit, considering that was gettling absolutely killed. He dropped Norris with a good shot and did land some decent stuff but Norris was outlanding him 10 to 1 and it was getting dangerous how many shots he was eating. His chance of an upset had arrived and gone in the 2nd, it was mostly a painful watch in round 3. Waters corner stopped the fight, saved him a horrendous beating in round 4 or however long he could have lasted.
@@fredhills3153 Look what up? Waters' cornerman did the decent thing, he could see his man was getting his knocked around like a speedbag. Norris was a hard puncher and wasn't going to stop hitting him.
Incredibly underrated fight, a hidden gem imo, mad respect to both warriors
Rest In Peace Troy, great memories of you in the ring.
Troy Waters is a true champion a beautiful man and one of Australia's greatest fighters he will terribly missed.
He was born in London, so he was actually English.
@@ravenaussie3760 I forgot he pass.Good finger and he had brothers that fought✊🏿☀️🌟🔥💯
Terry Norris is one of the all time greats... but the most underrated! That boy was bad!!!!
His chin was made of glass
No way! Very talented, but his chin was too weak to be considered an all-time great. He was a dirty fighter, too...had a habit of hitting fighters when they were down.
Damn straight
@@eddiedustin5449 I don't think his chin was made of glass? I think it was more like Tommy Morrison. When he got hit, he got hit with the whole damned kitchen🤷♂️
@@eddiedustin5449 Terrible Terry "Glass" Norris
Troy shocked everybody in this fight even in defeat, Terry was one of the very best pound for pound fighters at this time and Troy being a no name at this time did what alot of underdogs has done in the past, give an exciting show.
Troy Waters had the heart of a lion to withstand a Terrible Terry Norris combinations like that. He also had a phenomenal jab straight right combination which landed on Terry giving him the most trouble. He throws it so un telegraphed which Terry couldn't see it coming, look at when Terry gets up from the knockdown the first punch Troy throws is a straight right without telegraphing it at all. SWEET SCIENCE.
So many T’s.
Yep, great solid technique on waters with that 12, especially managing to pull such shots off after such a beating. Norris is a beast.
Rest easy, TROY! great lad, and one heck of a scrapper. your country and family will never forget you. Along with your American fans. sail on across the sky!
Great fight. Rest In Peace Troy.
This was Terry Norris in a nutshell. Comes out fast and puts Waters on the canvas plus the point deduction for hitting him on the floor then it nearly ends in disaster before Terry's class prevails. All in 3 wild rounds.
This is a typical Terry Norris fight. Always entertaining.
Came close to getting himself knocked out in a fight he should be winning with little trouble. As soon as he found out Waters was easy to hit he just unloaded with zero care to his defence. Didn't learn from this at all as he fought the same way against Simon Brown 2 fights later, difference being that Brown was a much better fighter than Waters, so Norris gets knocked out. Exciting to watch but tactically reckless. He could easily have picked Waters off, won every round and probably stopped him late on. Fighting the way he did gave Waters a puncher's chance.
Rip troy, I was lucky enough to have met you personally at the mundine gym in eveleigh street Redfern back in the year 1990 ,Troy you were a great boxing son of this wonderful country Australia taken away so young. I will always enjoy watching your fights on UA-cam. You can out of a great boxing family. Rip Troy.
Australia is not a wonderful country. Also, he was born in London, England. He wasn't Australian.
Australia is not a wonderful country. Also, he was born in London, England. He wasn't Australian.
But yeah, rest in peace to Troy.
One of the toughest SOBs I’ve ever seen in a square ring
I was at this fight with my Dad! We live in Poway and drove down to the sports arena to watch this one.
It was the left hook to the body that put Norris down. The left hook to the body took his legs away. Norris felt it and that was the punch, not the right hook that glanced his head.
True
Disagree. Waters hits him with a short right to the chin, which shaes Norris, then the body shot, which was low and finally the knockdown shot.
RIP Troy Waters you’ll be missed
Billy Moore, Troy Water's trainer is actually my trainer now the son of one of the greatest champions Archie Moore
He was a compasssionate guy in this fight. Waters wanted to go on but was taking fearful punishment and the ref and doctor were going to let it go on. He made the brave decision to pull Waters out.
Fuck yeah terry repping San Diego shits dope! Top 10 of the nineties
Rip mate...
I come here time to time to watch this fight because Troy was so great and am saddened to hear what happened to him as I never saw this on the news in the UK.. RIP
If you watch you can see Waters give Terry a little bit of his own medicine and hit him when he was down. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Terry Norris fan. He was sometimes over exuberant and at others demonstrated poor judgement or carelessness.
I saw that too, god I fucking love boxing! Made me smile.
Everyone makes excuses for Norris which is nonsense. He was a sucker puncher when he saw the opportunity without question. He knew what he was doing. When he tried that in the Sugar Ray Leonard fight I lost all respect for him. The Luis Santana fight he sucker punches him in two different bouts and gets disqualified. Look at his record numbers don't lie. He has 3 losses due to DQ. Stop saying it was in the heat of battle or poor judgment it is just called a sucker-punch. Hitting someone when their down on not looking.
Yep.
God blesses Troy. A wonderful soul
This fight was amazing
Troy Waters, what a terrific heart. RIP champion.
This is an excellent version of the fight.
Norris ferocious puncher ..but dirty fighter
Billy Moore, son of archie moore, the coroner man for watters is good friends with the Norris family
He's my trainer now with his help I'll look forward becoming champion one day
@@Warhead999 good luck with that Cesar
Another quality central coast fighter. The honour roll from that region punches well above its weight. As you can see. Troy waters just about caused the biggest upset of that decade. Terry learnt why u dont take light any opponent
Damn! Norris was good, but acted like it was 3rd fights. You can tell he is a boxer puncher, but he forcing his punching power when he didn’t need too.✊🏿☀️🌟🔥💯
3rds fights is what I meant to say. It could have been the arrogance in his personality that went into the fight. He once had a high school fight on his baseball team because the N word was used, if I remember he put someone in the hospital
Round 2 round of the year after being knocked down in round 1. Big effort
Moore said "I don't want him to go".
Terry Norris one of my favorite at 154 in my time
Round 2 is one for the ages!
2:25 start
Terry norris seemed really uncomfortable with Don King standing behind him can't say I blame him
I remember the 3 waters brothers in Australia. They weren't much good but always had a punching chance
I was there! Also saw on this same card…. Hector Macho Camacho and Felix Trinidad.
Terry norris is pretty good at fundamental boxing he always had fast hands and a strong guard and decent head movement he did very well as a boxer
Seems like some filthy ref work in the first round.
Troy waters very handsome man
I was here with my Dad . I was on leave while in the Army
Good fight. Waters took a beating but damn?
Finished him off in 3 short rounds, T.T.N.
Troy was one tough man! Great job troy.
I dont blame Troys corner for stopping the fight. Troy had the heart of a lion to withstand what he did
RIP Waters
Siempre pegando tarde terminando round ..el Norris
Norris hits fughters when there down, punches after the bell rings, and hits fighters on the break.
And hits the back of the head a lot too, he also complained about it when Troy did it once. Crazy.
Respect to Adam for this vid of a true Australian champion. Can't help but thinking there was something not right about Troy not coming out for the 4th round, he seemed to be soaking punishment to tire Norris but showed he can also compete on his level (easily). He didn't seem hurt too much and in any other fight would have come out for the next round, something not right about this..., then I saw Don King in the Norris corner..... hello$$$$$$$$$
No,, that is just not true what you say. He was game and tough but this was a league to classy for him to compete. You have to be honest. With the right coaching maybe he could have been special, but he just didn't have it.
White boy could of move some more and jab some more his left jab was bothering Norris
Norris was too good for Troy. Corner stoppage saved Troy from a terrible beating had it gone on. However in saying that all respect to Troy for his absolute bravery in the ring. RIP fella.
@@marknorris1381 correct ,what do the blood thirsty clowns want , he could have been killed in the ring!
@@garywarner6526 notice in America it's always WHITE BOY or being described by your race, really sick place, love the freedom of beautiful Australia without that ugly crap
Troy showing off that super old school cross guard to impressive effect. They don’t make fighters like they used to
Never understood that guard...upper cut bait.
@@barrybarnes96 Can work great against a fighter who throws a lot of straight shots - jabs and right hands (see: Witherspoon v Larry Holmes), but against someone like Norris who has every punch in the book, is fast, aggressive and throws great short hooks and uppercuts you are asking for trouble. Waters best chance (not much of one tbh) here would be to try to pot shot at range as he had a decent jab, then try to tie Norris up in close. Ducking his head down he couldn't see the shots at all and was just relying on his gloves to save him. We can see how that worked out. This must have set a record for punch accuracy (for Norris) and shots landed by one guy in a 3 round fight.
“That’s not going to help his quest for one of the pound for pound best.” WHAT THE FUCK?!?!? Dude, what the FUCK are you talking about?!?!? Being able to come back from a round like that, that is a prerequisite that puts you closer to that title!!!!! SMMFH!!!!
Norris was considered one of the best after Chavez and Whitaker at this time. Compared to the two, Norris showed more moments of mortality. You talk about him coming back after nearly being KO'd in the 2nd but he shouldn't be in that position in the first place. Troy Waters was considered a nobody which is why they said it would be the upset of the decade if Norris lost.
Norris had a good record but his notable victories were against boxers past their prime like Leonard and Mugabi and a worn-out boxer like Meldrick Taylor. He also didn't unify his belts against guys in his division like Julio Cesar Vasquez (WBA), Gianfranco Rosi (IBF), John David Jackson (WBO), Verno Philips (WBO). That's most likely not completely on him though, but both Chavez and Whitaker where able to unify their belts around this point.
Terry Norris complaining about hits on the back of his head, but he's doing it first, all of the time. And much more.
Mr Waters is a great fighter.
What a gorgeous wife terry has
Terry Norris had one of the worst chins in boxing history
Shut the fuck up PUSSY
False. He was super aggressive, walked into clean shots. You do that and unless your chin is granite you'll get in trouble. Norris wasn't super durable but nobody has a career like his with a "bad chin".
Pacheco needs to shut up, the Ref is doing a Fine job.
I think his ass was starting to get senile even back then
Terry Norris was such an exciting fighter, he'd no chin though...
Thge "LOW" BLOWS were inb the legal area! They failed to mention that.
Should have been a disqualification in the first.
Norris was always susceptible to looping shots due to his high guard, Simon Brown saw this and exploited this
Brutal
Nn ho mai visto un pugile così statico tirato a molla e nn girare per niente intorno all'avversario
Vergil Ortiz reminds me a little bit of Terry Norris.
damm good-fight .how-did homie-die anyone ?
@luck luckie- listed as cancer.
RIP.
leukaemia
What a dirty clever punch from waters! 😂
Dirty? It was a str8 right.......
WHAT WAS dirty about it you idiot ?
Dirty? Norris hit him behind the head and after he was down, numerous times
테리노리스!!!🇺🇲
He was better than kambosos
Waters didn't say to stop it, the big black guy did. It would have been interesting if it had bone on as Norris hadnt been able to put him away.
I'm guessing you are referring to his trainer? 😑
a true legend troy waters
I always thought Norris was a good fighter, not great. He lost to and got dropped by those he shouldn’t have. He had a suspect chin at best.
A lot of greats had suspect chins, but it doesn't mean they weren't great.
Tommy Hearns comes to mind. Hearns is a legend but he lost to Iran Barkley, someone who shouldn't have lost to. He nearly lost to James Kinchen too because of that chin. Felix Trinidad would get dropped regularly too (Campas, Reid, Carr).
The only losses Norris had in his prime were Julian Jackson, who was one of the hardest hitters in history and Simon Brown, who was a former P4P entrant. The Norris learned and boxed his way to an easy win. His later loss to Keith Mullings was Norris being on the downward slide as he lost his next 2 fights before retiring.
Norris just had a tendency to brawl more than was sometimes necessary.
@@trackandfieldarchive Norris was much more vulnerable and flawed, even at his natural weight. We only saw Tommy become more vulnerable as he went multiple weight divisions.
Prime Terry drills Floyd and manny"
The Waters family is a serious story on its own. The Waters family is a manegery of mystery and murder.
Troy ,just a big hearted ,good young man
RIP Troy. Suspect fight. Bias American commentary who were looking for any excuses when they got worried with Norris being wobbly. It was the American in Waters corner who decided to stop it. As usual, dodgy promoter, King screws his own 'away' fighter to cash in on future All-American match-ups. No real surprises, but always disappointing.
Troy was getting torn up in that fight. Troy could of continued but it would of been a matter of fight before he would get stopped later on.
@@nippahut Truth is the Norris corner was going to stop it, but the American GUY IN water's corner beat THEM TO it , LOOK IT up
Biased? They were giving Waters major credit, considering that was gettling absolutely killed. He dropped Norris with a good shot and did land some decent stuff but Norris was outlanding him 10 to 1 and it was getting dangerous how many shots he was eating. His chance of an upset had arrived and gone in the 2nd, it was mostly a painful watch in round 3. Waters corner stopped the fight, saved him a horrendous beating in round 4 or however long he could have lasted.
@@fredhills3153 Look what up? Waters' cornerman did the decent thing, he could see his man was getting his knocked around like a speedbag. Norris was a hard puncher and wasn't going to stop hitting him.