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hold on so toms hardware willfully rejected amd vega news even though all the work put it into benchmarking and everything was already written up.... and then cited budgetary concerns....... and now thrust the "buy it now!" nonsense for overpriced nvidia cards... this goes far beyond ordinary shill =\
Yeah doesn't make much sense why they wouldn't put up news about their tests already performed with cards unless Nvidia sponsored them. That would make a lot of sense why the article said just buy it lol. But I mean honestly let's face it, we will all eventually upgrade our GPUs to some form of these ray tracing cards. Even though the article was implying you to just buy it NOW, the title should have read just buy it soon because this is the future of gpu architecture
"Even though the article was implying you to just buy it NOW, the title should have read just buy it soon because this is the future of gpu architecture" That doesn't make any sense. The whole point of NOT buying it now is the following factors: 1. Current games don't utilize the ray tracing feature, and most titles won't any time soon (by the time ray tracing is common, there will have been at least one new GPU architecture, if not two or more, that have superceded this one). 2. The new GPUs don't do ray tracing very well, so most people will just turn it off anyway because it kills performance. 3. The cards are arguably overpriced for the performance they give in current games, so much so that Nvidia feels the need to publish charts containing extremely misleading benchmarks. 4. Future cards will surely be better at performing the ray tracing functions, making early cards like the 2000 series quickly obsolete. This is the same thing that has happened for decades within the GPU space, when some new hardware function gets introduced, by the time the function is utilized widespread in games, the original cards that contained it are ridiculously outclassed. The article specifically was talking about the new RTX cards and was stating that they are a worthwhile purchase, when in reality, for most people they are not. The fact that they do ray tracing is not a selling point of these cards, they can't do it at playable frame rates and there's almost no games that support it anyway. Even when they do, the performance hit will still exist. The only selling point of these cards that actually matters is gaming performance in existing games. For most people, especially those with something like a 1080Ti, there's not going to be a compelling reason to pay the price premium to upgrade.
Or, the RTX 2080 Ti uses a die that would have previously been sold as the Titan version. It is more like the naming scheme has been shifted downward. Also, these dies are large, which means expensive.
Fully Charged so why has the prices dropped when new cards came out previously,all this is about is fleecing as much money as they can out of customers. The fact that they are pushing the vendors to swoolow this is just sad Stick turn over is what’s important not just price per item
As a German speaking person I am glad to hear, that the great quality of this source will stay the same and won't shift in to a "bs BuzzFeed style". If anyone from tomshw.de is reading this, keep up the good work!
We know the THG guys very well.... and trust me... they are reading everything about them in the moment and i am sure they are happy to see comments like this from the users. And well... i show them those comments ;-)
+Luigithefrench I know that feeling. Ever only read the original German site. Nice to hear I did everything right since the US site seems to be a messy hugely commercial sellout at this point and unprofessional on top of that. Sucks for people that actually don't understand it since Google (or any other) translator for that matter does not translate the meaning of some sentences correctly, let 's put it that way... The forum has been helpful too, though I figure out most things myself.
+smoked_out Ja, Computerbase, Hardwareluxx und Heise sind auch alle nicht schlecht und werden auch oft genug im englischsprachigen Raum als Quellen aufgegriffen wie ich sehe. Immer amüsant zu sehen wie diese UA-camr das dann versuchen zu übersetzen... ^^
It's a damn shame, too. Tom's Hardware was my go to for a long time when looking at hardware benchmarks and comparison charts. They've been around for so long, too. Reminds me of the feeling I got when Winamp started going downhill after Nullsoft sold to AOL.
The last available version of Winamp (with patches) doesn't have any adware or anything like that, but it hasn't been updated for a couple of years. I've moved on to foobar2000 and I like it more. Too bad the WACUP project progresses so slowly and Radionomy doesn't give two shits about Winamp.
Huh, big overstock now, but where was it a few months ago... Getting dribbled out slowly keeping prices up, and now there is an overstock. Well done Ngreedia.
They were claiming lack of stock, yet clearly that wasn't the case. Encouraging the price gouging, which in turn just let them gauge how much they could in turn charge for newer cards. And bada bing, we have $1200 cards.
There was a lack of stock, because nVidia was holding it and slowly shipping out cards instead. Cards were out of stock for months and months, and no sooner than the mining craze crashed there was 300k chips sent back to ngreedia within a week of stock actually staying on the shelf for more than a second. That means at least a couple AiBs were sitting on 300k gpus and not ramping up production as you claimed.. still milking the market.
They weren't hurting their sales they could sell every single card they let out and if asics hadn't started being capable of mining the hottest coins they would still be shortages of stock everywhere and you know it. This is the same company that bought out Ageia to cheat a higher 3Dmark score and charge a higher premium for their product, and also coded the software to not work on existing Ageia cards if you were using an ATI card.. If you think they are above such things, think again.
"Shortages" lessened sales, but they sold more than they had initially thought they would ever sell anyways so it's been all profit for them for a long time now. Those shortages were intentional. There was confirmed overstock of GPUs at some AiBs and it's assumed by everyone except you apparently that everyone had overstock including nVidia themselves and they've had the stock for months before the crash while supply was shorted and prices were gouged. If crypto was still huge on GPUs and not asics there would still be shortages in supply. And there was several reports as to about how many excess gpus are out there now and they would have been there with or without the crash.
nVidia also only trickled limited numbers of cards out for months and months when they were obviously capable of much higher production. You aren't going to agree with the result the evidence all points to and I'm never going to agree with you aside from it being a bad business move, sure it made them less money but they didn't expect the boom to stop so soon they expected it to continue into 2019 possibly 2020, remember a month ago Jensen stated live that there wouldn't be any new GPUs this year.. but there all of a sudden will be... mining crash priorities changed.
no thats the usual procedure, as Tom's backend is more or less crap - which means, the default presetting for permaban (which does not exist) is a 100 year ban ;)
The GPU market basically is an Anti trust class action lawsuit waiting to happen. How on earth is nVidia having to dump old inventory when it supposedly was all gone during the cryptocurrency craze? Is AMD doing the same, even though there is no news? I understand slowly releasing cards during the craze from Vendors to capitalize and fuel the price increase, since there are like hundreds if not thousands of them and no case can be made. But for the single largest GPU manufacturer in the world to do it, is in my opinion antitrust. It has an approximate and commanding 70% of the market if not more at times, sometimes less depending on AMD releases. However AMD may have done so as well, although it is not a conspiracy, I believe they are not so unintelligent as to NOT capitalize on price increase.
AMD was limited by hbm production on Vega. And it sold really well to miners, also rx 580 was superior to miners while nvidia was still at normal prices, I also think nvidia artificially increased the prices.
nvidia was always limiting the release of their srtock to stimulate higher prices. they benefited massively from that boom, as evidenced by the insane spike in their profits during that timeframe
there is no anti trust law that forces a company to sell you stuff, made or not. Any company is free to limit supply to increase prices and deal with over production issues by doing whatever they want with the inventory including sticking it to partners who ordered it. You're not entitled to a product. You're not entitled to a certain price, MSRP or above or below. What is not allowed is for AMD and Nvidia to agree to price fix by colluding with each other to limit supply. It would be a mighty hard case to make that AMD and Nvidia were colluding because clearly there was such a thing as a mining bubble and even if they DID collude, proving that in court would be near impossible in light of the mining burst.
I also saw this coming with the Pascal cards. They might even just re-brand a 1070 as a 2060 and keep the old inventory moving. With no competition from AMD, Nvidia can do what ever they want. The high pricing for RTX is a matter of course. Why would they undercut themselves, economics 101.
Hopefully by some miracle 7nm vega will come along and obliterate a now 2 year and then 3 year old pascal in performance. Probably not, but hopefully it will make this $1200 pricing go from merely insane to completely disgusting.
@@chrispartridge1369 It would have to be 7nm Navi. There will not be any 7nm Vega for gaming. Trouble is we might not be able to get our hands on that until Q3 2019. But I'll be waiting. Not letting Nvidia have another cent of my money.
They wont make 7nm vega, atleast not in the near future. The new Navi cards will focus on low-mid tier. Im quite interested in them as the highest resolution on my monitor is 2560, but Nvidia will still dominate in high-end segment.
no RTX is RTX : no way they would rebrand seminally different architectures in that way. NVDA wants to make money, but they also , despite the negativity, want to please their customers. If its got the AI bells and whistles it'll be a RTX and it'll be turing.
Good job on quoting Igor here Steve, he is an honest and professional man and his German article about this incident was very enlightening. You both have a lot in common, keep it up!
It's nice to see one of the best, most comprehensive and well-written PC gaming analysts devote a small but substantial time chunk to publicizing Tom's recent shocking corporate and journalistic indiscretions. Having read over a dozen of Steve's GPU and game benchmark articles over the years, I've been meaning to subscribe to Gamersnexus but never got around to it until just now. Keep up the good (and please keep your 5930K in your benchmarks a while longer).
Is it just me or as of late, say the last 5 years. Companies are closing more doors on consumers as they become more well informed. We are seeing distinct attacks on the freedom of consumers to allow them control over their own products and to have information relating to the product.
That's the news I'm waiting on, Jason. I think AMD is supposed to release the professional versions by the end of they year. Not sure how far out the gaming versions are. I want to get a Vega 64 since it's a better prosumer card than the 1080 based on benchmark videos I've watched that tested the cards performance in 3D software applications. March is probably the latest I'll be able to hold out.
@@WCCXtra Why buy vega64 when you can find a 1080ti under $700? Unless your someone who can upgrade every other year ide wait tell next gen card come out. Especially when it less than 2 years away.
Dear GN, I had a few ideas, I think you might find interesting: Place the back light right next to Steve. That way it will not only appear larger on the screen, but it will also be even more useless, since it wouldn't illuminate anything that's visible to the camera. I'd suggest putting it on the right, so it doesn't get covered by any overlays. Smear a little bit of Vaseline on the lens, just enough to cause a nice halo around the lights. Limit it to the edges tho, in order to avoid blurring out Steve. Position an oscillating fan in the background. Every time it swings to Steve, it will blow his hair all over the place. The repeating and predictable nature of it will make this especially irritating. Attach the mic to Steve's collar, so that it occasionally brushes against his stubbles, causing scratching sounds. It's important to place it just right - don't want it to happen too often or too loudly. A fog machine or somebody who vapes could periodically blow smoke into the frame. This would have a nice interplay with the fan and also the back light. I would make sure to blow it behind Steve tho. As far as moving items in the background goes, there's still room for improvement. Since this is a tech channel, computer screens would make sense. I would place one monitor on each side of the frame with both being hooked up to the same system. Run a 3d text screensaver on it that simply reads "GamersNexus", with the text moving across both screens of course. However, you want to place the left screen on the right and vice versa. Of course RGB strips are an option as well and you can get pretty crazy and/or creative with those! Instead of looking directly at the camera, Steve could focus on an object directly next to it. You could even take this further and alternate between multiple points around the camera! This is all I have for now. None of these should have an impact on the actual content and technically leave the videos perfectly watchable, enabling you to shoot down any potential criticism. You're welcome! PS: Keep up the good work, but good lord, whoever is responsible for that light really does deserve a good knocking on the head!
“The nVidia recipe for success”: 1. Increase demand and lower elasticity. 2. Release new product, deliberately restrict supply to inflate prices. 3. 2+ years later, ”Find” a supply of current gen just before releasing new gen, returning current gen prices to down to MSRP. 4. Continue to sell old gen at MSRP, release new gen at higher price scale. 5. Serve and watch them lap it up. 6. Laugh and repeat. All hail the green eye of Invidia. 🤪 ...Its times like these that make me wanna go outside...see what the sky is doing....maybe build a fire...maybe carve a stick...maybe find a cave...maybe sell my house and live in a cave...my wife and kids would adjust...hmmm...yeeeah... Well, goodbye internet friends, it’s been.......interesting. Peace ✌️
Reverie King -....wait did you mean “YOU have a wife?” In which case: I know right? Can’t quite believe it myself! She’s got the normal amount of toes and everything! Or “you have a WIFE?” In which case yes “Old” people watch UA-cam too 😜
Reverie King - and a King! The ladies love a King. I’m sure you’ll find yourself Queen. Trust me, I’m a doctor ;) Reverie is awesome, synergy is equally awesome.
surprised you didn't mention the other article listed on anand which I think is a huge deal, about AMD moving away from global foundries and to TSMC for future processors and stuff for 7nm. Seems like a big deal!
The independent german version of Tom's Hardware is a beacon of hope in an industry that shifts from facts and figures to hype at an alarming rate. Glad that people like Igor Wallossek and Steve Burke are here to stay. Tom's Hardware US is just one of several media outlets with print or youtube channels that I had to abandon for their lack of credibility.
Yeah obviously, if you are sponsored by a company then you don't try to harm their sales unless you don't mind losing the sponsorship. Stop being so naïve, Nvidia is a company not your best friend and I'm pretty sure AMD/Intel would have done the same thing.
THE BLACK DRAGON any company would do the same. they do it all the time. it's called protecting the brand. idk why the OP is so bent outta shape about it.
+Jason Gooden Just like 100 years jail. I mean has any person with such a sentence actually finished those 100 years without dying from high age or illness earlier?
Not really as cutting edge as Monster Hunter's 9999 year ban. You can't complain it's a permaban. All you have to do is find a way of living 10 thousand years.
I don't think it's so bad to get "stuck" with 10 series chips with the price of the 20 series. Plenty of people will buy the 10 series now for a good, functional card at a decent price.
Yeah, because apparently the only way Intel can increase speeds is to overclock existing chips. See; 5ghz 8180 demo, the 8400, 8500, 8600 bullshit, etc.
I recently created an account on Toms Hardware Forum to clearify a doubt on hardware. I was attended by one of the few moderators named USAFret that gave me false information and clearly has no knowledge on the matter. The grave part was when i went to the opinions separator on the forum to express that. My whole account was banned with the message "You have been banned for the following reason: Account banned at users request." while it didnt have a single view!! That moderator went full immature mode. It was a very immature and unjust attitude and makes me wonder how many times something similar could have happened at the hands of that particular moderator. Thats all. Maybe he should taste his own medicine and get banned as well .
I'm seeing a sweet spot for used 1080ti's developing right around $500. I'd recommend getting a receipt from the original owner though... Manufacturers are getting strict in warranty claims due to the huge influx of fried mining cards.
It is possible that 2050 and 2060 keep the GTX branding and upgrade that segment of power and keep the 70 and 80 as top tier + RT capability thus making RT a premium feature. Which, at this point, it really is.
So much of the die space on Turing is the new tensor cores and rtx, it would probably barely perform on par with a 1060. Wouldn't make sense while AIB partners and the used market are flooded with 1070s, 1070tis, and 1080s.
It's more a non existent feature at this point and it will be two years before games really start to use it and that's if the performance loss is worth the visual gain, which it won't be at all for this gen.
I'm waiting to see what happens when studio develops something from scratch getting use rtx judiciously. Right now there are just games that tacked the feature on to show they can.
Just discover that channel one or two weeks ago, and just wanting to let you know that I love this format of videos. Everything is precised, you got the source, multiple and interesting news
The big difference between the G900 and the GPro is they the GPro uses the Hero sensor that the G603 does while the 900 uses the older 3366 that the G502, 403 and wired GPro use The 3366 mice have to be charged every 2-3 days, the Hero sensor is more accurate and needs new battery every 3-6 months
New place looks great but if I may just add a little critique the light in the back ground by the window is causing some issues for me with it being REALLY bright on my TV. I use a Roku and the youtube app (obviously) I just wanted to say that and to say thank you for your hard work too the shop looks amazing and I think you guys will be much happier there :) LOVE YOU GUYS!!!
Curious if the ridiculously prices on the 20 series simply exists to get people to buy 10 series overstock. Edit : just watched and that's what he claims too.
Umm move the camera closer to Steve and get that light out of the background. Good god that light.... Something that should never be seen takes as much of the stage as Steve if not more as it is a big ass white splotch on our screen above his head clearly visible. You don't even need to backlight him, he isn't a Rockstar from the big hair 80's doing a concert and they backlit from the floor up not the ceiling down. As in hide the friggin light.
The rumors are jacking up the prices. Yesterday I could see triple fan GTX 1080 TI's for 500 even out the door on EBAY. Now today after more goddamn rumors the cheapest are around 550 bucks for the founders editions now.
That's exactly what I was worried about. I was planning to get a 1080 ti for a decent price after the new cards hit the shelves but damn people are not as stupid as Nvidia thinks they are I guess.
Tom's Hardware has been censoring for years. Want proof? Try finding their "legendary" GeForce FX 5800 Ultra review. (If anyone can remember, it's the review that said the GeForce 5800 Ultra was better then the Radeon 9700 Pro simply because the GF5800U could pull slightly more FPS when all image quality enhancements were disabled.) When this review was released, it proved what many had thought for years: that Tom's Hardware's paid nVidia endorsements affected their card reviews as NO OTHER REVIEW SITE had declared the GF5800U the winner!? Oh... you can't find it! You could try the Waybackmachine... oh, Tom's Hardware isn't archived because they asked to have the site removed? I spent almost 2 hours trying to find this review the other day, and it has been scrubbed from the Internet!
From my time searching for "GeForce" & "Tom's Hardware" specifically, all I could find were positive reviews of GeForce cards over the years, in various ranges (which I also thought was quite strange). I didn't find other references to GeForce inside of other reviews, only nVidia reviews. You know what you can find though? Tom's Hardware review of the Radeon 9700 Pro (and quite easily). So the argument that Tom's Hardware has scrubbed older articles wouldn't hold up. You know what other review you can find on Tom's Hardware? A review of the GeForce FX 5900 Ultra titled: "NVIDIA GeForceFX 5900 Ultra: The Way FX is Meant to be Played!!"
Glad to see you guys are getting settled in. Like the angled shot, but could you please move that hairlight up a bit out of frame, I think it takes away detail from the background and just gives a „unfinished“ feel at least on mobile. Thanks for bringing us such great content overall
why nvidia has so many 10 series gpus on the shelf now i do not understand we went from nothing in stock Q1 to a decent stock in Q2 to overstock in Q3 right after the launch of 20 series? this simply does not add up and sounds more like nvidia is trying to blame the market for their own bad decisions
Thanks for the update on Tom's Hardware. Certainly sounds like the US website may be headed down the toilet. I just joined the German one. And I enjoyed your recent ad for the long hair cooler solution.
I am from Austrian and i didn't even know that there was a german Toms Hardware site, the content is also pretty good from the fact that it is operated by overseas :D Thanks GN , you made my day
Probably will be true since it just takes a lot of space to add ray tracing to chip, in other words it won't be cost effective to put the additional hardware on mid-low gpu.
Well, the talk nVida gave explains that. These cards don't do real time raytracing, but a mix of rasterization and raytracing. The talk also mentions that you'd need cards at the Peta FlOPs range of computation to do real time raytracing. Their "real time" raytracing takes a good 6-8 seconds to finish computing.
Correct me if I am wrong. But weren’t the board members responsible for the price increase of the 10 series cards? And Nvidia was expressed some frustration with the board partners increasing the price of the cards? I also assumed that the board partners increased the price of their graphics cards to take advantage of the crypto mining boom. If this is all true I don’t feel bad for board partners and I actually will buy a founder card instead.
The board partners are only responsible for the price hikes in how they didn't ramp up production to meet demand and get burned by a sudden tanking of the crypto economy (which clearly happened). Now even though they arguably made the right decision, nvidia is basically invalidating that decision by forcing them to ramp up production well after the crypto crash and sell their cards to ..... who exactly?
Cream Soda ive been watching the pricing of the 10 series cards since launch and board partners didn’t drop the price but a month ago. And even with the price drop they were still overpriced. When Nvidia had stock of the 10 series they sold at msrp on their own site when board partners kept prices high.
@@cream_soda Just look the subreddits and comment sections everybody wants to buy a 1080 or 1080ti and we are seeing a lot of people posting/showing off their new 10 GPU If leaks were deliberately done to boost 10 series sales(a very wild and hopefully unlikely theory) then their plan might just have worked.
The point I was trying to make is the AIBs didn't raise prices, retailers did. When you see an EVGA 1080Ti for $1300 on amazon, EVGA isn't getting the benefit of all that sweet, sweet markup. The only reason that the card was selling for that much is because there weren't enough to go around; retailers raised the price until the number of people willing to buy was closer to the number of cards they had to sell.
Cream Soda Got it, thanks for clarifying. I didn’t check the AIB specific websites enough to form an opinion on their selling prices through their own website. However, unless they had some sort of agreement with retailers, the actual retailers like you say choose the pricing and in turn hurt the AIB bottom line because of it. Based off your perspective I will reconsider buying from AIB directly and avoid third party retail. And your description of third party increasing the price to a point to match with amount of buyers is something I never thought of, so thank you.
I'm not a fan of the bright light above your head... how does it look moved down a couple feet, as a hair light? I'm still on the fence about the 45° set.
Hah, I said pretty much this on Reddit like 8 days ago. "Nvidia did this on purpose to create value for the millions of 10 series cards everyone is sitting on. Once that stock sells out the prices of 20 series will drop" www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/98cgwg/gpu_nvidia_rtx_2080_gpu_series_info/e4j3dek/?context=3
The set would look a lot better with warmer lighting. I think you can still keep an industrial look without cold lighting. The dark walls, cold, bright floodlight, and all the shadows it creates is very offputting. It makes the space feel a lot smaller, even though you have a lot more room now
I can't believe 2-3months ago there was a "shortage" in gpu's so the prices were sky high. Now here in the UK they are giving away ssd's or power supplies with some gpu's
Tom's Hardware is one less source I will utilize from now on. You have gained a Sub. Gamers Nexus :) And the partners should just sell the cards for atleast 50% off if they don't want to be stuck with them. that could limit their loss atleast by 50% and prevent even more loss now that RTX cards on coming out soon. I would totally buy a 1080 for $300-$350.
Keep an eye on this sub Reddit Just noticed this wasn’t new :( www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/9b5ai3/gpu_asus_nvidia_rog_strix_geforce_gtx_1080_ti_oc/?st=JLER135B&sh=651e2e09
@Untermensch in a half assed attempt at self control I have told myself I won't buy a 1080ti till it's an EVGA open-air cooler for 500. I don't see the 2070 with an after-market cooler being competitive in price with a $500 1080ti any time soon, especially since the 2070 lacks nv-link which would be the biggest attractor(buying one 2070 now and another later)
It's really difficult, because it's hard to predict how the price will go. Right now the RTX series haven't been released yet, so you don't know for sure if the prices will drop even more or not. I personally feel like it might not drop more, but historically speaking it has always. But this time there are a lot of 'first time', namely the addition of cryptocurrency minders and also having an insanely price jump with features on a GPU (Raytracing DLSS) that doesn't really improve performance. I personally don't see 1080 Ti go to 400 at all, but anything can happen.
That will never happen ... I don't think. I hope there's a "Hold My Beer" moment with this though. I'd rock two 1080 ti's in SLI just for the sheer badassness of it.
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Ive heard global founderies dumped AMD because the 7nm fab is too expensive, they are going to tsmc now. stocks went down.
Is there an article about toms censorship?
If Nvidia has too many GTX 10__ cards , pretty simple , lower ALL cards by USD$50
then send these cards to
AU
NZ
JP
India
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With the new LOWERED RRP
can you film at an angle where we don't look straight into that studio light? or make it a halo around your head at least? ;P
hold on so toms hardware willfully rejected amd vega news even though all the work put it into benchmarking and everything was already written up.... and then cited budgetary concerns....... and now thrust the "buy it now!" nonsense for overpriced nvidia cards... this goes far beyond ordinary shill =\
Yeah doesn't make much sense why they wouldn't put up news about their tests already performed with cards unless Nvidia sponsored them. That would make a lot of sense why the article said just buy it lol. But I mean honestly let's face it, we will all eventually upgrade our GPUs to some form of these ray tracing cards. Even though the article was implying you to just buy it NOW, the title should have read just buy it soon because this is the future of gpu architecture
Seriously. And, it's hardly like Vega was amazing. It's like they were afraid of even acknowledging the existence of non-Nvidia gaming cards.
Jadesprite do you need a GTX 1080TI for playing WOW?
"Even though the article was implying you to just buy it NOW, the title should have read just buy it soon because this is the future of gpu architecture"
That doesn't make any sense. The whole point of NOT buying it now is the following factors:
1. Current games don't utilize the ray tracing feature, and most titles won't any time soon (by the time ray tracing is common, there will have been at least one new GPU architecture, if not two or more, that have superceded this one).
2. The new GPUs don't do ray tracing very well, so most people will just turn it off anyway because it kills performance.
3. The cards are arguably overpriced for the performance they give in current games, so much so that Nvidia feels the need to publish charts containing extremely misleading benchmarks.
4. Future cards will surely be better at performing the ray tracing functions, making early cards like the 2000 series quickly obsolete.
This is the same thing that has happened for decades within the GPU space, when some new hardware function gets introduced, by the time the function is utilized widespread in games, the original cards that contained it are ridiculously outclassed. The article specifically was talking about the new RTX cards and was stating that they are a worthwhile purchase, when in reality, for most people they are not. The fact that they do ray tracing is not a selling point of these cards, they can't do it at playable frame rates and there's almost no games that support it anyway. Even when they do, the performance hit will still exist. The only selling point of these cards that actually matters is gaming performance in existing games. For most people, especially those with something like a 1080Ti, there's not going to be a compelling reason to pay the price premium to upgrade.
Exactly. Less informal shilling and more like written contracts for pay.
The way you're meant to just buy it™
lol
NVIDIA - the way it's meant to be bought
But was rtx enabled in the article?
Its goes up to 11!
@Random Task Guess Shia was looking for employment.
Set looks good. Suggest moving that bright light, so it’s not pointed right at the camera.
Agreed
so they have priced the 20series higher so they dont have to lower the 10series prices gg
Or, the RTX 2080 Ti uses a die that would have previously been sold as the Titan version. It is more like the naming scheme has been shifted downward. Also, these dies are large, which means expensive.
And when the 10 series prices went to the sky, they didn't brought out more cards to lower the prices...
They did the right thing from business perspective. Lowering prices when they don't need to would be just throwing profits away, which would be dumb.
Fully Charged so why has the prices dropped when new cards came out previously,all this is about is fleecing as much money as they can out of customers.
The fact that they are pushing the vendors to swoolow this is just sad
Stick turn over is what’s important not just price per item
Sure, beeing greedy like Apple is always good for profits, but their only luck is, that AMD doesn't have a competitive product.
As a German speaking person I am glad to hear, that the great quality of this source will stay the same and won't shift in to a "bs BuzzFeed style". If anyone from tomshw.de is reading this, keep up the good work!
We know the THG guys very well.... and trust me... they are reading everything about them in the moment and i am sure they are happy to see comments like this from the users. And well... i show them those comments ;-)
I wish I spoke German.
Ja, wobei wir eigentlich durch Seiten wie Computerbase oder Hardwareluxx schon ganz gut bedient sind.
+Luigithefrench I know that feeling. Ever only read the original German site. Nice to hear I did everything right since the US site seems to be a messy hugely commercial sellout at this point and unprofessional on top of that.
Sucks for people that actually don't understand it since Google (or any other) translator for that matter does not translate the meaning of some sentences correctly, let 's put it that way...
The forum has been helpful too, though I figure out most things myself.
+smoked_out Ja, Computerbase, Hardwareluxx und Heise sind auch alle nicht schlecht und werden auch oft genug im englischsprachigen Raum als Quellen aufgegriffen wie ich sehe. Immer amüsant zu sehen wie diese UA-camr das dann versuchen zu übersetzen... ^^
RIP Tom's reputation
RIP Tom's USA reputation
That 100 year ban for their German partner/testing data source is just ridiculously and hilariously unprofessional.
It's a damn shame, too. Tom's Hardware was my go to for a long time when looking at hardware benchmarks and comparison charts. They've been around for so long, too. Reminds me of the feeling I got when Winamp started going downhill after Nullsoft sold to AOL.
Just use Foobar. Winamp isn't Winamp anymore.
Foobar2000 for the player of the decade.
The last available version of Winamp (with patches) doesn't have any adware or anything like that, but it hasn't been updated for a couple of years. I've moved on to foobar2000 and I like it more. Too bad the WACUP project progresses so slowly and Radionomy doesn't give two shits about Winamp.
Corner shot is much better, but that back light is rough. Maybe it could be fired toward the ceiling or back wall?
Needs more diffusion
Just place it a little higher, or change the cam angle, that way its not included in the picture and shouldnt be distracting.
lol
I only noticed it once you pointed it out
now I can't unsee
Huh, big overstock now, but where was it a few months ago... Getting dribbled out slowly keeping prices up, and now there is an overstock. Well done Ngreedia.
They were claiming lack of stock, yet clearly that wasn't the case. Encouraging the price gouging, which in turn just let them gauge how much they could in turn charge for newer cards. And bada bing, we have $1200 cards.
There was a lack of stock, because nVidia was holding it and slowly shipping out cards instead. Cards were out of stock for months and months, and no sooner than the mining craze crashed there was 300k chips sent back to ngreedia within a week of stock actually staying on the shelf for more than a second. That means at least a couple AiBs were sitting on 300k gpus and not ramping up production as you claimed.. still milking the market.
They weren't hurting their sales they could sell every single card they let out and if asics hadn't started being capable of mining the hottest coins they would still be shortages of stock everywhere and you know it. This is the same company that bought out Ageia to cheat a higher 3Dmark score and charge a higher premium for their product, and also coded the software to not work on existing Ageia cards if you were using an ATI card.. If you think they are above such things, think again.
"Shortages" lessened sales, but they sold more than they had initially thought they would ever sell anyways so it's been all profit for them for a long time now. Those shortages were intentional. There was confirmed overstock of GPUs at some AiBs and it's assumed by everyone except you apparently that everyone had overstock including nVidia themselves and they've had the stock for months before the crash while supply was shorted and prices were gouged. If crypto was still huge on GPUs and not asics there would still be shortages in supply. And there was several reports as to about how many excess gpus are out there now and they would have been there with or without the crash.
nVidia also only trickled limited numbers of cards out for months and months when they were obviously capable of much higher production. You aren't going to agree with the result the evidence all points to and I'm never going to agree with you aside from it being a bad business move, sure it made them less money but they didn't expect the boom to stop so soon they expected it to continue into 2019 possibly 2020, remember a month ago Jensen stated live that there wouldn't be any new GPUs this year.. but there all of a sudden will be... mining crash priorities changed.
Floodlight is a focal point, it's quite distracting
THANK YOU! Shit is pissing me off every video.
Feeling the same feels.
lol I didn't even notice it somehow
I kinda agree, but I don't think it's actually on, I think his his hair is reflecting light into the bulb housing. Haha
That's no floodlight you pleb, that's tech jesus heavenly light.
Tom's US has become a joke, i cancelled my account with them and let them know why.
Good on you
@William Taylor like xda ?
It's been a long time since I last used Tom's Hardware, over time, I've just found better sources for information and reviews.
Perhaps I'm wrong but I think Anandtech is still pretty good, at least it's got very in-depth information one doesn't seem to find often.
Yeahh they sold their souls.
100 YEARS ban? Someone lost their mind..
Some systems might prevent permanent ban, but silly settings may allow timed bans. XD
Modern day fascism .
no thats the usual procedure, as Tom's backend is more or less crap - which means, the default presetting for permaban (which does not exist) is a 100 year ban ;)
That flood light gets distracting abit
It's not flood light, Tech Jesus' nimbus is shining.
Hahaha that "light" is the sign that Steve ascended!
Yea i agree... That light right behind you request you to pls cut it out of frame... My eyes go straight to it
So Tech-Jesus has a square Halo now... nice
lmao
We want gamers nexus body pillows in teardown logo style and glorious steve husbando style
Tech jesus please we beg
Don't forget the Senior AMD Analyst Snowflake pillow!
@@thrashstronaut That would be awesome!
I want a gamers nexus fuck doll with tits
friedkangaroo - make that yourself.
For a second I thought this was the old set again and was super confused.
Ditto. I like it tho. It's familiar, yet different.
+1. a few of the previous video also made me do a double take to realise its the new studio
different but the same …..
There is at least a 20x bigger gap between steve and the back wall here though :P
New set looks great but the light behind you is very annoying lol.
So, you are not going for the halo effect? XD haha
good it's working
Timestamps for those that wish to skip ahead
Tom's Hardware 1:56
RTX News 4:06
Intel Rumor - Solder Tim K-SKU's 7:40
Intel EULA Rule 8:58
Logitech mouse 10:36
Dell announcement 11:46
Corsair Hydro X teaser 12:35
HW Sales 13:20
this should be pinned
Tell him to rename it to "Igors Hardware" and i will gladly visit their site again.
The GPU market basically is an Anti trust class action lawsuit waiting to happen.
How on earth is nVidia having to dump old inventory when it supposedly was all gone during the cryptocurrency craze? Is AMD doing the same, even though there is no news?
I understand slowly releasing cards during the craze from Vendors to capitalize and fuel the price increase, since there are like hundreds if not thousands of them and no case can be made.
But for the single largest GPU manufacturer in the world to do it, is in my opinion antitrust. It has an approximate and commanding 70% of the market if not more at times, sometimes less depending on AMD releases.
However AMD may have done so as well, although it is not a conspiracy, I believe they are not so unintelligent as to NOT capitalize on price increase.
people need to stop fantasizing amd being angels in the market.
AMD was limited by hbm production on Vega. And it sold really well to miners, also rx 580 was superior to miners while nvidia was still at normal prices, I also think nvidia artificially increased the prices.
nvidia was always limiting the release of their srtock to stimulate higher prices. they benefited massively from that boom, as evidenced by the insane spike in their profits during that timeframe
From what I understand, they had a ton of GPU chips but couldn't assemble the cards fast enough. Now they have a ton of assembled cards...
there is no anti trust law that forces a company to sell you stuff, made or not. Any company is free to limit supply to increase prices and deal with over production issues by doing whatever they want with the inventory including sticking it to partners who ordered it. You're not entitled to a product. You're not entitled to a certain price, MSRP or above or below. What is not allowed is for AMD and Nvidia to agree to price fix by colluding with each other to limit supply. It would be a mighty hard case to make that AMD and Nvidia were colluding because clearly there was such a thing as a mining bubble and even if they DID collude, proving that in court would be near impossible in light of the mining burst.
I also saw this coming with the Pascal cards. They might even just re-brand a 1070 as a 2060 and keep the old inventory moving. With no competition from AMD, Nvidia can do what ever they want. The high pricing for RTX is a matter of course. Why would they undercut themselves, economics 101.
Hopefully by some miracle 7nm vega will come along and obliterate a now 2 year and then 3 year old pascal in performance. Probably not, but hopefully it will make this $1200 pricing go from merely insane to completely disgusting.
@@chrispartridge1369 It would have to be 7nm Navi. There will not be any 7nm Vega for gaming. Trouble is we might not be able to get our hands on that until Q3 2019. But I'll be waiting. Not letting Nvidia have another cent of my money.
They wont make 7nm vega, atleast not in the near future. The new Navi cards will focus on low-mid tier. Im quite interested in them as the highest resolution on my monitor is 2560, but Nvidia will still dominate in high-end segment.
no RTX is RTX : no way they would rebrand seminally different architectures in that way. NVDA wants to make money, but they also , despite the negativity, want to please their customers. If its got the AI bells and whistles it'll be a RTX and it'll be turing.
HYPERBRUH
I don't think you need a light shining at the camera.
That's called a "hair light" and it usually sits out of frame, obviously not the case here.
Well we now know Tom's Hardware US was serious about the Just Buy It article.
Flood the market with cheap 10 series boards.
that background light... a bit annoying... is distraction in the overall video. ❤️
Great work.. but.. please remove the light behind you.. its very annoying to look into it...
Then don't look into it.
Light? i’m pretty sure thats his halo.
I can't unsee the light now.
Please relocate that floodlight behind your head,so darn annoying.
Put it higher, so it's out of camera view, or find a new home for it.
Good job on quoting Igor here Steve, he is an honest and professional man and his German article about this incident was very enlightening. You both have a lot in common, keep it up!
Dem sexy monitor names
It's nice to see one of the best, most comprehensive and well-written PC gaming analysts devote a small but substantial time chunk to publicizing Tom's recent shocking corporate and journalistic indiscretions. Having read over a dozen of Steve's GPU and game benchmark articles over the years, I've been meaning to subscribe to Gamersnexus but never got around to it until just now. Keep up the good (and please keep your 5930K in your benchmarks a while longer).
honestly Steve, since Skylake it's ALL been the same generation.
Is it just me or as of late, say the last 5 years. Companies are closing more doors on consumers as they become more well informed.
We are seeing distinct attacks on the freedom of consumers to allow them control over their own products and to have information relating to the product.
going to sell my 1070 and go Vega after hearing many bad practices from Nvidia
lol have fun
That's the news I'm waiting on, Jason. I think AMD is supposed to release the professional versions by the end of they year. Not sure how far out the gaming versions are. I want to get a Vega 64 since it's a better prosumer card than the 1080 based on benchmark videos I've watched that tested the cards performance in 3D software applications. March is probably the latest I'll be able to hold out.
If you want to effect them financially wait for Navi.
@@WCCXtra Why buy vega64 when you can find a 1080ti under $700? Unless your someone who can upgrade every other year ide wait tell next gen card come out. Especially when it less than 2 years away.
Yeah. Don't bother with Vega. Navi should be interesting though...
Dear GN,
I had a few ideas, I think you might find interesting:
Place the back light right next to Steve. That way it will not only appear larger on the screen, but it will also be even more useless, since it wouldn't illuminate anything that's visible to the camera.
I'd suggest putting it on the right, so it doesn't get covered by any overlays.
Smear a little bit of Vaseline on the lens, just enough to cause a nice halo around the lights. Limit it to the edges tho, in order to avoid blurring out Steve.
Position an oscillating fan in the background. Every time it swings to Steve, it will blow his hair all over the place. The repeating and predictable nature of it will make this especially irritating.
Attach the mic to Steve's collar, so that it occasionally brushes against his stubbles, causing scratching sounds. It's important to place it just right - don't want it to happen too often or too loudly.
A fog machine or somebody who vapes could periodically blow smoke into the frame. This would have a nice interplay with the fan and also the back light. I would make sure to blow it behind Steve tho.
As far as moving items in the background goes, there's still room for improvement.
Since this is a tech channel, computer screens would make sense. I would place one monitor on each side of the frame with both being hooked up to the same system. Run a 3d text screensaver on it that simply reads "GamersNexus", with the text moving across both screens of course. However, you want to place the left screen on the right and vice versa.
Of course RGB strips are an option as well and you can get pretty crazy and/or creative with those!
Instead of looking directly at the camera, Steve could focus on an object directly next to it. You could even take this further and alternate between multiple points around the camera!
This is all I have for now. None of these should have an impact on the actual content and technically leave the videos perfectly watchable, enabling you to shoot down any potential criticism. You're welcome!
PS:
Keep up the good work, but good lord, whoever is responsible for that light really does deserve a good knocking on the head!
:D
hahhahahahah sarcastic
“The nVidia recipe for success”:
1. Increase demand and lower elasticity.
2. Release new product, deliberately restrict supply to inflate prices.
3. 2+ years later, ”Find” a supply of current gen just before releasing new gen, returning current gen prices to down to MSRP.
4. Continue to sell old gen at MSRP, release new gen at higher price scale.
5. Serve and watch them lap it up.
6. Laugh and repeat.
All hail the green eye of Invidia. 🤪
...Its times like these that make me wanna go outside...see what the sky is doing....maybe build a fire...maybe carve a stick...maybe find a cave...maybe sell my house and live in a cave...my wife and kids would adjust...hmmm...yeeeah...
Well, goodbye internet friends, it’s been.......interesting. Peace ✌️
Dr Lulz you have a wife?
Reverie King -....wait did you mean “YOU have a wife?” In which case: I know right? Can’t quite believe it myself! She’s got the normal amount of toes and everything!
Or “you have a WIFE?” In which case yes “Old” people watch UA-cam too 😜
Dr Lulz Im 25 and virgin and handsome
Reverie King - and a King! The ladies love a King. I’m sure you’ll find yourself Queen. Trust me, I’m a doctor ;) Reverie is awesome, synergy is equally awesome.
Dr Lulz lol funnily its here 1am and im trying to sleep but keep thinking how i die as a virgin
You should make a "Just Buy It" t-shirt
surprised you didn't mention the other article listed on anand which I think is a huge deal, about AMD moving away from global foundries and to TSMC for future processors and stuff for 7nm. Seems like a big deal!
The independent german version of Tom's Hardware is a beacon of hope in an industry that shifts from facts and figures to hype at an alarming rate. Glad that people like Igor Wallossek and Steve Burke are here to stay. Tom's Hardware US is just one of several media outlets with print or youtube channels that I had to abandon for their lack of credibility.
Did you know Nvidia cancelled a content creator's sponsorship just because he talked against pre-ordering the 20 series cards!
Wtf!
I would have done the same thing. Why pay someone if they aren't going to promote your product.
Can you give more information
if I own something, I'm not gonna pay you to shit on it. -_-
Yeah obviously, if you are sponsored by a company then you don't try to harm their sales unless you don't mind losing the sponsorship.
Stop being so naïve, Nvidia is a company not your best friend and I'm pretty sure AMD/Intel would have done the same thing.
THE BLACK DRAGON any company would do the same. they do it all the time. it's called protecting the brand. idk why the OP is so bent outta shape about it.
Banned for 100 years!
I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere.
"one hundred years dungeon!"
+Jason Gooden Just like 100 years jail. I mean has any person with such a sentence actually finished those 100 years without dying from high age or illness earlier?
Not really as cutting edge as Monster Hunter's 9999 year ban. You can't complain it's a permaban. All you have to do is find a way of living 10 thousand years.
I don't think it's so bad to get "stuck" with 10 series chips with the price of the 20 series. Plenty of people will buy the 10 series now for a good, functional card at a decent price.
Absolutely. These are still great cards.
There still msrp or higher and they have a huge overstock, they should be sold low as hell.
The fact that intel is soldering the 9xxx series tells me that they going to get hot like hell
They already do get hot as hell, a soldered ihs will help but they have some architectural limits they have hit hard.
@Random Task lol that happens when you have a Stock cooler on an i7
Yeah, because apparently the only way Intel can increase speeds is to overclock existing chips. See; 5ghz 8180 demo, the 8400, 8500, 8600 bullshit, etc.
wtf... I just cannot go with Intel... I enjoy AMD because price to performance ratio is just better, i know AMD is not as fast but still...
It seems like they're about to hit a new Pentium 4 era lol.
I recently created an account on Toms Hardware Forum to clearify a doubt on hardware.
I was attended by one of the few moderators named USAFret that gave me false information and clearly has no knowledge on the matter.
The grave part was when i went to the opinions separator on the forum to express that. My whole account was banned with the message "You have been banned for the following reason: Account banned at users request." while it didnt have a single view!! That moderator went full immature mode.
It was a very immature and unjust attitude and makes me wonder how many times something similar could have happened at the hands of that particular moderator.
Thats all. Maybe he should taste his own medicine and get banned as well .
10 series a good deal?? -excited looks up Asus 1080Ti- Still way over MSRP.... I feel ripped off now man
weather12guy get it used. 500.
Fry's has a Gigabyte 1080 for $450 if you use the promo code.
I'm seeing a sweet spot for used 1080ti's developing right around $500. I'd recommend getting a receipt from the original owner though... Manufacturers are getting strict in warranty claims due to the huge influx of fried mining cards.
Really love your timestamps on the video. Makes it lot easier to hear out the relevant news. Keep up the good work.
It is possible that 2050 and 2060 keep the GTX branding and upgrade that segment of power and keep the 70 and 80 as top tier + RT capability thus making RT a premium feature. Which, at this point, it really is.
I doubt we'll see a 2060 or 2050.
So much of the die space on Turing is the new tensor cores and rtx, it would probably barely perform on par with a 1060. Wouldn't make sense while AIB partners and the used market are flooded with 1070s, 1070tis, and 1080s.
It's more a non existent feature at this point and it will be two years before games really start to use it and that's if the performance loss is worth the visual gain, which it won't be at all for this gen.
I'm waiting to see what happens when studio develops something from scratch getting use rtx judiciously. Right now there are just games that tacked the feature on to show they can.
I think I'll wait for Navi. I was considering to switch from the red to the green team but I don't really like the behavior of Nvidia.
As much as it pains me to keep my 970 even longer, I'm with you. AMD, here I come.
Hah! up late working and rewarded with a new HW News! Thanks!
I love your format, very easy to listen to and the timestamps in the top left/bottom right are fantastic!
Set looks good but that fkoodlight for your hair halo needs to go. Good to catch up on news updates though.👍🏽
Just discover that channel one or two weeks ago, and just wanting to let you know that I love this format of videos. Everything is precised, you got the source, multiple and interesting news
The big difference between the G900 and the GPro is they the GPro uses the Hero sensor that the G603 does while the 900 uses the older 3366 that the G502, 403 and wired GPro use
The 3366 mice have to be charged every 2-3 days, the Hero sensor is more accurate and needs new battery every 3-6 months
New place looks great but if I may just add a little critique the light in the back ground by the window is causing some issues for me with it being REALLY bright on my TV. I use a Roku and the youtube app (obviously) I just wanted to say that and to say thank you for your hard work too the shop looks amazing and I think you guys will be much happier there :) LOVE YOU GUYS!!!
I only used Toms Hardware for their GPU and CPU hierarchy charts, if GN makes their own I'll use it :)
Exactly my thoughts. I wanted to ask GN to do something similar.
I really like how the new studio turned out. All of you did a really good job at keeping the GN personality. You absolutely deserve the upgrade.
No link to on sale 10 series card?
cpartpicker 😊
Saw a Gigabyte 1080 at fry's for $450 with promo code.
Another hardware sale that Steve didn't mention (probably wasn't on sale at time of filming), but the Threadripper 1920X is now just $470.
Curious if the ridiculously prices on the 20 series simply exists to get people to buy 10 series overstock.
Edit : just watched and that's what he claims too.
You guys are easily the best tech channel on UA-cam, no doubt.
Umm move the camera closer to Steve and get that light out of the background. Good god that light.... Something that should never be seen takes as much of the stage as Steve if not more as it is a big ass white splotch on our screen above his head clearly visible. You don't even need to backlight him, he isn't a Rockstar from the big hair 80's doing a concert and they backlit from the floor up not the ceiling down. As in hide the friggin light.
Don't see any post for 1080 that's a good price in the description. You gonna post it?
The rumors are jacking up the prices. Yesterday I could see triple fan GTX 1080 TI's for 500 even out the door on EBAY. Now today after more goddamn rumors the cheapest are around 550 bucks for the founders editions now.
No, demand is. Ironically people think they can get a cheap 1080ti, so when they go looking en masse, this pushes the prices back up.
That's exactly what I was worried about. I was planning to get a 1080 ti for a decent price after the new cards hit the shelves but damn people are not as stupid as Nvidia thinks they are I guess.
The eBay difference is due to the eBay fees being 1£ before Sunday, ie all new posts have the ~10% eBay tax
Love, love, LOVE the timestamps in the corner. Keep it up and get rid of the floodlight. Seriously.
Tom's Hardware has been censoring for years. Want proof? Try finding their "legendary" GeForce FX 5800 Ultra review. (If anyone can remember, it's the review that said the GeForce 5800 Ultra was better then the Radeon 9700 Pro simply because the GF5800U could pull slightly more FPS when all image quality enhancements were disabled.) When this review was released, it proved what many had thought for years: that Tom's Hardware's paid nVidia endorsements affected their card reviews as NO OTHER REVIEW SITE had declared the GF5800U the winner!? Oh... you can't find it! You could try the Waybackmachine... oh, Tom's Hardware isn't archived because they asked to have the site removed? I spent almost 2 hours trying to find this review the other day, and it has been scrubbed from the Internet!
RealTheXev nice little piece of infomation, and even better now that they've actively tried to hide it..!
From my time searching for "GeForce" & "Tom's Hardware" specifically, all I could find were positive reviews of GeForce cards over the years, in various ranges (which I also thought was quite strange). I didn't find other references to GeForce inside of other reviews, only nVidia reviews.
You know what you can find though? Tom's Hardware review of the Radeon 9700 Pro (and quite easily). So the argument that Tom's Hardware has scrubbed older articles wouldn't hold up. You know what other review you can find on Tom's Hardware? A review of the GeForce FX 5900 Ultra titled: "NVIDIA GeForceFX 5900 Ultra: The Way FX is Meant to be Played!!"
RealTheXev haha oh.. can almost taste the irony
Glad to see you guys are getting settled in.
Like the angled shot, but could you please move that hairlight up a bit out of frame, I think it takes away detail from the background and just gives a „unfinished“ feel at least on mobile.
Thanks for bringing us such great content overall
why nvidia has so many 10 series gpus on the shelf now i do not understand
we went from nothing in stock Q1 to a decent stock in Q2 to overstock in Q3 right after the launch of 20 series?
this simply does not add up and sounds more like nvidia is trying to blame the market for their own bad decisions
Thanks for the update on Tom's Hardware. Certainly sounds like the US website may be headed down the toilet. I just joined the German one. And I enjoyed your recent ad for the long hair cooler solution.
Igor
I am from Austrian and i didn't even know that there was a german Toms Hardware site, the content is also pretty good from the fact that it is operated by overseas :D Thanks GN , you made my day
What you said about the GTX 2060 is a rumour. AdoredTV had this information leaked to him from an Nvidia employee. The leak had been correct so far.
Probably will be true since it just takes a lot of space to add ray tracing to chip, in other words it won't be cost effective to put the additional hardware on mid-low gpu.
Well, the talk nVida gave explains that. These cards don't do real time raytracing, but a mix of rasterization and raytracing. The talk also mentions that you'd need cards at the Peta FlOPs range of computation to do real time raytracing. Their "real time" raytracing takes a good 6-8 seconds to finish computing.
I had no idea this channel existed until I saw the post on reddit. I really enjoy this channel so far man, nice work.
Tom's Hardware convinced me to buy a 2080 with my precious Burke-Koins
you cant say coming soon on the german version of corsairs website, there was an article a while back on TPU about the marketing laws
Tom's was credible to begin with? I never knew!
There's no GTX 1080 linked in the description.
New set's looking p. good
The 45° angle is nice but something isn't right. Maybe its the light on your back, not sure. Thank you for another great HW news episode!
Correct me if I am wrong. But weren’t the board members responsible for the price increase of the 10 series cards? And Nvidia was expressed some frustration with the board partners increasing the price of the cards? I also assumed that the board partners increased the price of their graphics cards to take advantage of the crypto mining boom. If this is all true I don’t feel bad for board partners and I actually will buy a founder card instead.
The board partners are only responsible for the price hikes in how they didn't ramp up production to meet demand and get burned by a sudden tanking of the crypto economy (which clearly happened). Now even though they arguably made the right decision, nvidia is basically invalidating that decision by forcing them to ramp up production well after the crypto crash and sell their cards to ..... who exactly?
Cream Soda ive been watching the pricing of the 10 series cards since launch and board partners didn’t drop the price but a month ago. And even with the price drop they were still overpriced. When Nvidia had stock of the 10 series they sold at msrp on their own site when board partners kept prices high.
@@cream_soda
Just look the subreddits and comment sections everybody wants to buy a 1080 or 1080ti and we are seeing a lot of people posting/showing off their new 10 GPU
If leaks were deliberately done to boost 10 series sales(a very wild and hopefully unlikely theory) then their plan might just have worked.
The point I was trying to make is the AIBs didn't raise prices, retailers did. When you see an EVGA 1080Ti for $1300 on amazon, EVGA isn't getting the benefit of all that sweet, sweet markup. The only reason that the card was selling for that much is because there weren't enough to go around; retailers raised the price until the number of people willing to buy was closer to the number of cards they had to sell.
Cream Soda Got it, thanks for clarifying. I didn’t check the AIB specific websites enough to form an opinion on their selling prices through their own website. However, unless they had some sort of agreement with retailers, the actual retailers like you say choose the pricing and in turn hurt the AIB bottom line because of it.
Based off your perspective I will reconsider buying from AIB directly and avoid third party retail.
And your description of third party increasing the price to a point to match with amount of buyers is something I never thought of, so thank you.
I'm not a fan of the bright light above your head... how does it look moved down a couple feet, as a hair light? I'm still on the fence about the 45° set.
Hah, I said pretty much this on Reddit like 8 days ago. "Nvidia did this on purpose to create value for the millions of 10 series cards everyone is sitting on. Once that stock sells out the prices of 20 series will drop" www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/98cgwg/gpu_nvidia_rtx_2080_gpu_series_info/e4j3dek/?context=3
Steve, you know I love your passion and quality content.
Kindly note that the light in the background is fairly irritating.
Sincerely,
a Patreon.
I dislike that light panel right above your head!
I think 🤔 it illuminates his glorious mane
Is it me? Or Did you get a new camera? Frames looking sick bro even on my phone. Looks 🔥🔥💪🏼
GPU overstock ha... Ha
The set would look a lot better with warmer lighting. I think you can still keep an industrial look without cold lighting. The dark walls, cold, bright floodlight, and all the shadows it creates is very offputting. It makes the space feel a lot smaller, even though you have a lot more room now
If any of the partners want to get rid of cards I'll take a couple 1080tis. :3
Yeah I'd like a couple to SLI and to "benchmark and test for bottlenecks" on my old i7 875k rig for shiz n giggles.
I can't believe 2-3months ago there was a "shortage" in gpu's so the prices were sky high. Now here in the UK they are giving away ssd's or power supplies with some gpu's
Banning their own staff members LOL
That means I can trust my local DE Toms' Hardware Site again. Nice for pointing that out!
Is it just me or that light behind Steve grabs too much attention
It's an eyesore
Tom's Hardware is one less source I will utilize from now on. You have gained a Sub. Gamers Nexus :)
And the partners should just sell the cards for atleast 50% off if they don't want to be stuck with them. that could limit their loss atleast by 50% and prevent even more loss now that RTX cards on coming out soon. I would totally buy a 1080 for $300-$350.
pls $500 1080ti pls
Quadcore_Punk they already have them now in the us
@@melvinhans1844 lowest I saw new that wasn't zotac was a 599 sc2 from b&h
Keep an eye on this sub Reddit
Just noticed this wasn’t new :(
www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/9b5ai3/gpu_asus_nvidia_rog_strix_geforce_gtx_1080_ti_oc/?st=JLER135B&sh=651e2e09
@Untermensch in a half assed attempt at self control I have told myself I won't buy a 1080ti till it's an EVGA open-air cooler for 500. I don't see the 2070 with an after-market cooler being competitive in price with a $500 1080ti any time soon, especially since the 2070 lacks nv-link which would be the biggest attractor(buying one 2070 now and another later)
It's really difficult, because it's hard to predict how the price will go.
Right now the RTX series haven't been released yet, so you don't know for sure if the prices will drop even more or not.
I personally feel like it might not drop more, but historically speaking it has always.
But this time there are a lot of 'first time', namely the addition of cryptocurrency minders and also having an insanely price jump with features on a GPU (Raytracing DLSS) that doesn't really improve performance. I personally don't see 1080 Ti go to 400 at all, but anything can happen.
I dont see any links for those graphics cards
GTX 1080Ti custom cards for $500 pls ;)
TheTargetlockon I like $200 better
That will never happen
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I don't think.
I hope there's a "Hold My Beer" moment with this though. I'd rock two 1080 ti's in SLI just for the sheer badassness of it.
Love the channel. My only complaint is that the "John Romero" look is so 90's.
1080 ti for $300?
We can hope... and wait, because we aren't gonna see that before they are irrelevant old hardware.
ossme I think $200 is better I like that
Not going to happen any time soon
Great set! Minor nitpick is the harsh backlight which can be solved by using a diffuser.
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@ Gamers Nexus Where is the link to the cheaper 1080ti you mentioned?
I have to ask Steveo at 12:50 did corsair render that logo on a console?
A one-hundred year ban???
Had to replay that moment ten times to make sure i heard it correctly