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I wouldn't call their gpu naming scheme the best. Sure, the letter and first number are simple, but then what's with the second number? Like why is their an a380 and a580 but then the best arc 7 card is an a770 and not a780. The second number always seems really random. There's also the fact that they call the whole brand "Arc" but the first gen "Alchemist", leading some people to think that the first gen is actually called "Arc", but that's a small nitpick.
I remember when my dad was upgrading from a 60(?)mb hdd to a 2.5gb hdd. His friend said he couldn’t if he tried, “ever fill up a hard drive that big in his lifetime if he tried”. I can’t wait for 200tb games in 15 years.
@@boenkstah My first floppy was 140K and I used a cassette recorder before that. I currently have 6 TB of SSD and 34 TB of spinning rust on my current machine.
NVIDIA: *stops producing 40-series after Q2/2024* NVIDIA: "Oh no! We are running short on 40-series stock! Better buy now - prices are going up fast... so sad!"
AMD did the same with 7000 series X3D before the 9000 series came out, I don't understand why reviewers aren't calling them out, it's pure manipulation
Yeah it's not about production, it's about not wanting competition for their upcoming GPUs *AND* not wanting their current stock to go on sale so they engineer scarcity.
My favorite quirk of ZeniMax's unusual growth story is how they basically had a family member of a board member do some early TES series VA work in the days when it was all a comparatively small operation (she did the elven women), and that started a VA career that led to her becoming this big documentary voiceover reader. And so now there are lots of documentaries out there read by the same voice that has called us all N'wah a million times.
@@Anolaana Wait... the TES VA @ifyoucanreadthisgooglebroke is talking about is famous Wonder Woman actress Lynda Carter?? That's a rather big detail to leave out, if so. xD
Meanwhile, there are articles claiming Nvidia is anticipating there will be a 4000 series shortage. 😂 Quickly panic, buy it before it freefalls in price.
@CD3WD-Project Hey, the way the "publishers" believe and act since if it is not 100% ON YOUR COMPUTER that you will end up with zero control over it yeah... I DO need to keep it all. GOG. Buy there. Download the ***entire*** game. Install offline. No "authorization" needed. *OWN* your games. Like all the DVD's and CD ROMs of games I still own from before. Peaceful Skies
17:40 - "If you're some type of data hoarder extraordinaire... Email them to ask for B2B pricing for your problems... You don't need to keep everything". I came here to be informed, not attacked
@@kunka592 It's not about online or not. The comment (1) was a joke, and (2) had no implication as to whether you should or should not back things up. The joke was about the reality that you most people don't need to keep every single digital file.
@@GamersNexus It has taken a lot of work, but I have worked up to the point that I can get myself to delete New Text Document (2), but only if it is empty and I need to talk myself into it.
Hi Steve, Hillsboro native here. Ronler Acres was renamed Gordon Moore Park at Ronler Acres, really rolls of the tongue. Also Aloha is actually pronounced Ah-LOW-uh.
Thanks Steve! I finally got around to making my annual donation to Cat Angels. Your love of kitties (and not at all the domineering of Snowflake over your every move) once again inspired me to actually do a thing. Thank you for all that you and the team at GN do. Peaceful Skies
Crypto minig is ded, not profitable anymore. They are all going insane on AI chips. We're doomed in a few years. It's a given they work on AI military tech.
@ With the overwhelming global demand for AI, I really don’t think it’s an artificial scarcity. Also, tech conglomerates will gladly pay significantly more per GPU than gamers will. Until demand eventually collapses (and it will), Nvidia is far more incentivized to put gaming GPUs on the back burner and focus on AI demands.
Selling and leasing back isn't necessarily a bad thing. I used to work for Fidelity Investments and they did this for tax purposes at their main location in Boston and a few other locations. they would sign a 99-year lease and renovate the building to the way they wanted it to be with all their corporate branding etc. it can help withproperty liability issues too.
I can't wait untill 100tbs is just normal... I have a receipt from wayyyyyy back, it is for a 100GB!!! HDD for... drum roll please... $100!!! xD I keep it just to remind myself of how times they are a changing... I literally can't give away a 1.5tb hdd these days...
Wait a minute, you already have an underscore in your name. We'll end up causing an underscore inflation if people start adding multiple underscores to their names.
Were there even any engineering-side teams still there? I thought it was all business forecasting, which at this point is not as valuable (as the presence of a new/returning customer no longer guarantees an Intel sale) and probably got hammered by layoffs.
Let's hope the the 9900X3D and the 9950X3D have the 3D V-Cache shared. That was the major downfall of their 7000 brethren. If indeed it is, that could mean we'd see performance numbers in both the production and gaming side that would crash Arrow Lake for good. Everybody needed to keep in mind that the 9800X3D was a competitor for the Ultra 7 not the Ultra 9, so when people said the 285 beat it in production, I rolled my eyes. Fingers crossed.
Nvidia needs to start producing the 50-series chips at some point, and that means stopping production of the 40-series chips. The higher prices are only due to inflated consumer demand of a static pool of cards that are already built. MSI, PNY, Gigabyte, Zotac etc.-those are the companies price gouging, because they know they can sell their cards for inflated prices (and would love to make +100% on the low margins).
In fairness... it makes sense... why make a bunch of 40 series cards that would have to be sold at a "discount" when you could use that fab time for more profitable adventures...
Needs a win, yes, but can Intel provide a win? They can't do CPUs right now, something they practically invented, so I don't see them making a good anything any time soon.
The TSMC revelation isn't very surprising. If TSMC manufactured their latest stuff abroad, there would be less incentive to defend Taiwan if China made a move.
To be fair to Taiwan, the ban on exporting latest Gen chip-making technology is a vital part of its national defence strategy. If a lot of companies, particularly US ones, didn't need cutting edge chips, I'm sure the US military protection would largely disappear...
I don't think that part was really accurate... In leased office buildings where multiple companies are "sharing" the building, it's almost always going to be set up so that each company has its own security perimeter with card key access for its employees only. You're not going to be just sitting across the hall from employees of other companies. In fact often the way it works is that different companies rent different floors of the building, and you need the right company's card key to even access the elevator button for going to that company's floor.
@flamingspinach As a corpo employee, I find this both correct and incorrect somehow. At my employer's, stairs and escalators are shared with other companies; most kitchens are not, but then they don't account for in-company access control fencing, that prevents people like me from walking into half of the offices. Whether people actually care about not talking about their subjectively boring daily projects, or hiding documents and props on lifts, is a different matter entirely?
Nvidia should just charge $5000 for the 5090...people have proven time and time again it's very difficult to price things too high for the "gotta have it for no reason" generation. Might as well make more money from she sheeples
I mean you know, as a 3d artist having a good gpu is an insane advantage. I hate giving money to nvidia but i have no choice. Not everybody that buys a 90 class gpu games on it, many actually use it for work.
@@Florianski If it's the Top of the Line Tool for your Work that's not Stupid. Only if you want it for Gaming, so Gamers buying that are indeed more than Stupid.
Hey Steve, you probably didn’t know or care about it this but I think it’s some fun trivia! regarding 4:10, it’s not pronounced “Aloha”. It’s a silly little local thing where we pronounce specifically that town name “Aloah”, as in “a-lo-a”. Fun little way to see if someone is new to the area :)
just got the inductor dice set and cyber skel tee shirt both look great, i ordered when you where doing the live stream with ln2 9800x3d so i got one signed by both of you. someone needs to make a computer related dice town for this please lol!!
I went to the oregon fab when i was a kid. IT WAS INSANE AND SO COOL. I wish i knew it was the experience of a lifetime but you never know, until it ended.
@@GamersNexuswish people would build more of what they want and not pigion hole themsevles to whats recommended/ high-end & best. Needs more style Bye the way are you going to retest threadripper 7000 series on the windows 11 update that gave an increase to zen 4/5?
I'm in the same boat. Not exactly keen to hear about the pricing stuff that'll come out shortly for the 50 series cards. Who knows, might have to wait until the 60 series before I can justify it enough
True, but i think the ultimate goal is to get their teams under the same roof. Eventually, INTEL will wind down operations on those leased lands and the workers will have to move if they want to keep their jobs.
@@henrythegreatamerican8136bingo, I’ve seen dozens of multi-national and exponentially more local and regional brands follow this playbook in the past, eh decade-ish (clearly accelerating in the post covid era). REITs have tons of money and companies that have either over expanded or needed to restructure because of market changes for a variety of reasons are often desperate for a lifeline, often it’s a lifeline only a REIT is willing to extend.
Weird nitpick, but as a local that Oregon town's name is pronounced "Aloa", dropping the H. Supposedly it was originally named "Aloah", but they messed up the forms and transposed the A and the H. Neat bit of trivia, but Jensen Huang actually graduated from Aloha High School.
I'm a little disappointed that the SSD story didn't cut from Steve talking about how you don't have to keep everything to a clip of Wendel looking shocked.
Glad I already bought a 4070 Super. I hope mid range 50 series gpus can have 16GB Vram. And there's a 20GB and 24GB (and 28GB?) models, for in between 16 and 32 GB. Cuz nothing in between 16 and 32 makes me feel like Nvidia wants you to buy the 32 GB model, or feel like you're missing out. I dunno if 16GB will be enough for high end gamers in the near future.
I know right, me too... I thought I would get eclipsed by some crazy 5070 around the corner, using the new Blackwell architecture with at least 16 GB of VRAM but apparently I'm safe. I will stick to comfortably running with what I got for now... Idk what they are doing with that card as they speed it up but limit vram, that's pretty awkward for a 4k upgrade.
8GB is ok for 1080p...for now, but if you're looking to build something to last until 2030 then you're gonna need more (or just stick with indie and older games).
Of course Nvidia will keep the 40series in limited supply, how else are they going to keep the price threw the roof. Nvidia made a 15% increase from last year, I wish the company I worked for could say that...
Pedantic comment from Oregon: "Aloha" is pronounced "uh-low-uh." I know it makes literally zero sense, but here we are. We also have a "Couch St" pronounced "cooch!"
9950 EX....THREE.....DEEEEEEEE!!!! Wow, time flies when you're having fun...with no money. I just now swapped my 3700X for a 5950X. 5 (weird) years late but less than half the price. Now I've got 32 threads hitting 5000 MHz instead of 16 at 4.4. My 3D programs don't move like a buffering movie anymore. I'm all like yay! and stuff.
Yay... the retail stores will buy all the units like they did with the 9800X3D, and bundle it with crap items they can't move to sell it at a higher margin.
Nvi isn't running low on production because of the 50series only. They stated ever since the 2xxx line up that the hype "ill buy when the new line releases" will come to an end as they want to keep the price high. Thats what happened earlier this year with the 40 as well.
Glad to finally see real proof that battlemage cards exist! Probably won't upgrade unless I need the extra power though since my A770 is working just fine right now.
The "big" seller for the Alchemist card is the A750, a 8GB card with 28 Xe cores and a Base clock rate of 2050 MHz and a turbo clock of 2400 MHz. This can be compared to the A580 which used the same die, ACM-G10, 8GB memory and 24 Xe cores at 1700 MHz and no boost clock. The A770 use the same die, 16GB memory 32 Xe cores at 2100 MHz base and 2400 MHz boost. Now the only Battlemage card we are seeing mentioned is the B580 with 12GB of memory with a bus width of 192 bits. A few interesting thoughts here are that this card seems to be the cutback of the B750 if it ever is released. That's just speculation but there is another interesting detail and that's the bus width for the memory. On the B580 it's 192 bits while on the A750 it's 256 bits. The memory type is the same for both, DDR6, but the memory clock speed isn't specified. To perform better than the memory on the A750 it will need to be clocked at or above 21 333 Mega Transfers. The memory on the A580 and A750 run at 16 000 MT, but it also has 33% wider bus so it can transfer more data per clock cycle. So the question is will there be a B750? Another interesting question is if there will be a B770? From the rumor mill it appears that the die for the B770 has not been taped out yet so it is not currently in production. A difference to the Alchemist cards is that the B580 and the B770 doesn't use the same die like they did in the Alchemist series. So if the die for B770 isn't put in production we won't see those cards. We also don't know what die the B750 would use, if it were to be produced at all. Lots of questions. Now we just have to wait for the cards to hit the shelf. Sadly Battlemage is quite probably the last version of ARC cards we will see. Rumors claim that at least one Celestial core has been completed and could be put in production, but given the state of Intels money problems it looks like Pat won't spend a penny more on the ARC cards than he absolutely has to. And given that the "big" Battlemage die hasn't been taped out I think it's not very likely that they will spend the money to take the Celestial core to production. At least they got more cards out the door than the last time they made graphics cards back in 1998 when they made the Intel 740. They did develop two more cores, the 752 and 754, but those were never used in graphics cards. The core design was however later used in the 810 and 815 chipsets which were used by a lot of motherboards from 1999 and a few years on.
As much as Intel are in their current situation due to some poor choices, it baffles me how the Gov isn't ponying up the grant money. I feel a lot of those bad decisions were based on the impression they'd have more resources to follow through and instead are left with a fart in the wind for support.
depends from how much property you have. AMD in 2012 was selling their shirts and office furniture to pay the bills, Intel here is selling their fourth mansion on the beach with front seaside access
@ Great point, but power efficiency would be the last nail in the coffin for AMD. I know it’s not the kind of market they’re aiming for, but would make them much more appealing.
As an a770 owner, Im really excited for the new battlemage gpus. About 6 months ago I went from a 6900xt to the 16gb a770 bifrost (sold the gpu to a friend who wanted to try amd) and its been wonderful for my uses, even vr, and the only gpu "issue" is weird texture coloration in Escape from Tarkov Arena, Star citizen even runs decently.
Why would NVIDIA know graphics cards will not be purchasable? Why do they know their highest demanded product won't be made, and ultimately they don't seem to care to put more into the world? Is it convenient that they performed math to predict this around now? No. There's no such thing as coincidences. NVIDIA is withdrawing its products from the market until it feels more confident that the world isn't going to end. NVIDIA is an eastern culture company, and as a result, some of them are looking out for each other collectively. Wait and see. NVIDIA will tank faster than the crash of 2008. Think about it. Entertain it. Maybe companies plan for the end of the world.
??? What is this tinfoil nonsense? Nvidia has prioritized manufacturing of AI cards because they have better profit margins so they have less capacity for gaming cards than in the past. And the said they have stopped making the 40xx to produce the 50xx. What's the plan for the end of the world anyway? Having manufacturing capacity of high performance silicon is useless in a post-nuke world
Hey everyone! We have a couple big videos ready for the next few days, but for those of you also in the US, we hope you have a good Thanksgiving. We'll have a video ready for you then as well if you have time! Should be a big one. Stay tuned.
Will one of them involve the government wanting Google to sell off Chrome amongst other things?
Happy Thanksgiving back at you folks. Make sure Snowflake gets some turkey!
Happy holidays
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Frabjous Turkeymas!
Thanksgiving Steve
Gobble gobble, Steve!
Back to you, Steve.
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😂😂😂 I see what you did there 😏
Take all of my upvotes and get out
Intel - Worst CPU naming convention.
Also Intel - Best GPU naming convention.
Nah, AMD's mobile CPU segment is much worse.
@@caelthus8539 no
@@mr.flipflop2630 Yes
I wouldn't call their gpu naming scheme the best. Sure, the letter and first number are simple, but then what's with the second number? Like why is their an a380 and a580 but then the best arc 7 card is an a770 and not a780. The second number always seems really random.
There's also the fact that they call the whole brand "Arc" but the first gen "Alchemist", leading some people to think that the first gen is actually called "Arc", but that's a small nitpick.
No warriors or barbarians. They favor those damn mages and i wont stand for it!
I remember when my dad was upgrading from a 60(?)mb hdd to a 2.5gb hdd. His friend said he couldn’t if he tried, “ever fill up a hard drive that big in his lifetime if he tried”.
I can’t wait for 200tb games in 15 years.
My first hard drive was 20mb..
I miss you atari falcon, we had a good run :)
@@boenkstah My first floppy was 140K and I used a cassette recorder before that. I currently have 6 TB of SSD and 34 TB of spinning rust on my current machine.
I thought the same when seagate released 10GB drive in 2000. No way I can fill this up in on e life time. Now I have 20TB and it is ok for now.
I remember when someone once told me dual core is the best for games and quad core is an overkill or not optimised for it.
If that means we get 8 exabyte SSDs for $200 in 15 years' time, I'm fine with that.
Happy Thanksgiving to Steve and the whole GN crew! Thankful for all you guys do for gamers and PC hardware consumers in general! God bless! ❤
God doesn't exist, keep religion out of this
bro got ignored
gave ur money away for nothing
Nice one at this time of year when cost of living is so high
5060: 6 gb VRAM, $499
With a 32bit Bus bandwith 😂
I can meme harder than you... 5090: 512K VRAM and slower than a Voodoo 3.
5% improvement over 4060, can't forget that
*Display outputs not included
please no
NVIDIA: *stops producing 40-series after Q2/2024*
NVIDIA: "Oh no! We are running short on 40-series stock! Better buy now - prices are going up fast... so sad!"
Heh, as if the prices of the 40 series could get any higher. R-right?
Capitalism! :D it's a complete racket! :D
AMD did the same with 7000 series X3D before the 9000 series came out, I don't understand why reviewers aren't calling them out, it's pure manipulation
@@marshallb5210 It's not manipulation, it's called "focus shifting" and it's classy.
Yeah it's not about production, it's about not wanting competition for their upcoming GPUs *AND* not wanting their current stock to go on sale so they engineer scarcity.
My favorite quirk of ZeniMax's unusual growth story is how they basically had a family member of a board member do some early TES series VA work in the days when it was all a comparatively small operation (she did the elven women), and that started a VA career that led to her becoming this big documentary voiceover reader. And so now there are lots of documentaries out there read by the same voice that has called us all N'wah a million times.
I had no idea! That's awesome.
Walk with virtue, outlander.
I mean Lynda Carter was a TV actor before she did voice acting! But still a pretty cool connection to TES.
@@Anolaana Wait... the TES VA @ifyoucanreadthisgooglebroke is talking about is famous Wonder Woman actress Lynda Carter?? That's a rather big detail to leave out, if so. xD
@@Anolaana yeah it's like saying that Ron Perlman became a famous voice actor after his role in Fallout
Steve: We have a big video coming up. It's an investigation.
Every tech company: [Jordan Peele sweating gif]
I'm innocent. I swear!
Oh boy cant wait to no find 40 series GPU new in the future and having to buy the 5% improvement but 20% more expensive 50 series
Meanwhile, there are articles claiming Nvidia is anticipating there will be a 4000 series shortage. 😂 Quickly panic, buy it before it freefalls in price.
lol 5090 is going to be a hell of a lot bigger improvement than 5% bro
@@djcetra correct, only the 5090 tho. The rest of the lineup will be 5% faster but 20% more expensive 😂
@djcetra what about 5070ti and lower?
@@aberkae dunno about that, i'm only interested in the 5090 from my 4090.
Yes Steve I do have to keep everything!!!
I might need that Civ2 save game from 1997.
@CD3WD-Project
Hey, the way the "publishers" believe and act since if it is not 100% ON YOUR COMPUTER that you will end up with zero control over it yeah... I DO need to keep it all.
GOG. Buy there. Download the ***entire*** game. Install offline. No "authorization" needed. *OWN* your games. Like all the DVD's and CD ROMs of games I still own from before.
Peaceful Skies
It's ok to throw away the toilet paper.
17:40 - "If you're some type of data hoarder extraordinaire... Email them to ask for B2B pricing for your problems... You don't need to keep everything".
I came here to be informed, not attacked
Yeah, seriously..
i thought it was highly offensive phrasing too. :D
I felt my plex server glitch when he said that 😩
remember when this group used to show hardware and benchmarks? i do.
"You don't need to keep everything."
I'll show you, Steve. I'm downloading this video right now 👿
"You don't have to keep everything" I felt attacked! (:
Unironically bad advice in this digital age where things can get wiped instantly online. Always archive everything.
@@kunka592 It's not about online or not. The comment (1) was a joke, and (2) had no implication as to whether you should or should not back things up. The joke was about the reality that you most people don't need to keep every single digital file.
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@@GamersNexus Heresy!
@@GamersNexus It has taken a lot of work, but I have worked up to the point that I can get myself to delete New Text Document (2), but only if it is empty and I need to talk myself into it.
122TB? Finally, I can download ALL my Steam library.
I remember when people thought 1GB was surely all the storage space you'd ever need :P
Or the entire flight simulator map 🗺️
@@Lurch-BotI miss those days. Now I’m looking at 4tb drives lol
@@Lurch-Bot I remember when 1 MB would be all anyone would ever need and it was the size of a small car
You sure ?
Hi Steve, Hillsboro native here. Ronler Acres was renamed Gordon Moore Park at Ronler Acres, really rolls of the tongue. Also Aloha is actually pronounced Ah-LOW-uh.
Thanks Steve!
I finally got around to making my annual donation to Cat Angels. Your love of kitties (and not at all the domineering of Snowflake over your every move) once again inspired me to actually do a thing. Thank you for all that you and the team at GN do.
Peaceful Skies
That is awesome! Thank you!
IGN and GN, 1 letter can change the perception of "credibility"
The I is for Inferior.
@@backupplan6058 I would have gone harder than that, but yes
Thanks(giving) Steve!
Weird to see my hometown in the tech news
“Gaming GPU Shortages”
Translation: “We are slowly moving away from gaming to further focus on AI and crypto mining”
No one is focusing on crypto mining anymore it’s not as profitable
Crypto minig is ded, not profitable anymore. They are all going insane on AI chips.
We're doomed in a few years. It's a given they work on AI military tech.
They arent "moving away" they are maximizing profits by creating artificial scarcity
@ With the overwhelming global demand for AI, I really don’t think it’s an artificial scarcity. Also, tech conglomerates will gladly pay significantly more per GPU than gamers will. Until demand eventually collapses (and it will), Nvidia is far more incentivized to put gaming GPUs on the back burner and focus on AI demands.
@@cooltwittertag that doesn’t make any sense
Breaking out the Office Space clips, savage.
20:24...."We'll send a team to investigate"...yet another threat from Steve😮😮😂😂
Selling and leasing back isn't necessarily a bad thing. I used to work for Fidelity Investments and they did this for tax purposes at their main location in Boston and a few other locations. they would sign a 99-year lease and renovate the building to the way they wanted it to be with all their corporate branding etc. it can help withproperty liability issues too.
Not to mention not being stuck owning office buildings in the 2020s.
Yeah, both of these locations are essentially ghost towns.
I remember the 60TB drive was like ~$7~10K, so this one with double the capacity will probably be ~$15~20K if I had to guess.
5K if we scale it up from 1TB, but they also have to make money, and it's a novelty, 15K seems reasonable.
I'm glad B580 is Intel Arc and not AMD releasing the RX 580 for the 4th time.
Plot twist: After cutting away too much of their gaming devision, Intel has resorted to buying old RX580 dies to resell as their own product.
Hey my RX580 still going strong. Even handling games at 1440p just now while I work through deciding parts for my new PC 😂
@@torinboyd8651440p depends on the game and settings but the little bastard is a fighter, I'll give it that
@@torinboyd865 I only got rid of my RX580 because it could not drive the new high refresh rate monitor I got , otherwise RX580 💪
@@desertfish74why would you buy a monitor that doesn't work well with your gpu?
122TB you say? Wow, you might be able to fit 4 Call of Duty games on that!
Until any of them get a major content patch, that is.
I can't wait untill 100tbs is just normal... I have a receipt from wayyyyyy back, it is for a 100GB!!! HDD for... drum roll please... $100!!! xD I keep it just to remind myself of how times they are a changing...
I literally can't give away a 1.5tb hdd these days...
@@FacialVomitTurtleFights you can't? I'll take it
Appending an underscore to my Twitter handle right now
A distinguished mark of prestige, only to be used responsibly.
brah_
What if I add TWO underscores to my username? Now how much would you pay?
@xXSiliconLeakerBruhXx_
Wait a minute, you already have an underscore in your name.
We'll end up causing an underscore inflation if people start adding multiple underscores to their names.
The two people that still worked at Hawthorne Farms and haven't moved their office to RA or JF will now have to add 2 minutes to their commute.
Were there even any engineering-side teams still there? I thought it was all business forecasting, which at this point is not as valuable (as the presence of a new/returning customer no longer guarantees an Intel sale) and probably got hammered by layoffs.
A Sony handheld? Oh boy! Can't wait to play Concord on the go!
When you report on what the rocket shop means, put the reporting behind a paywall
Im really liking the humor you've been injecting into these hw news episodes
Let's hope the the 9900X3D and the 9950X3D have the 3D V-Cache shared. That was the major downfall of their 7000 brethren. If indeed it is, that could mean we'd see performance numbers in both the production and gaming side that would crash Arrow Lake for good. Everybody needed to keep in mind that the 9800X3D was a competitor for the Ultra 7 not the Ultra 9, so when people said the 285 beat it in production, I rolled my eyes. Fingers crossed.
I'm thankful for GN this Thanksgiving. Building a new PC and your videos made a world of difference. "Thanks, Steve!"
I'm sure NVIDIA isn't limiting GPU supply to artificially inflate the price, right? ... ... .. .
Artificially? Under the new tariff regime coming the latest GPU’s are going to get real pricey in the US
No! It very purposefull!
😂
Nvidia needs to start producing the 50-series chips at some point, and that means stopping production of the 40-series chips. The higher prices are only due to inflated consumer demand of a static pool of cards that are already built. MSI, PNY, Gigabyte, Zotac etc.-those are the companies price gouging, because they know they can sell their cards for inflated prices (and would love to make +100% on the low margins).
In fairness... it makes sense... why make a bunch of 40 series cards that would have to be sold at a "discount" when you could use that fab time for more profitable adventures...
Happy Thanksgiving Gamers Nexus Crew
Hoping for good things from Battlemage - We need more competition in the mid-range, and Intel REALLY needs a win at this point...
Needs a win, yes, but can Intel provide a win? They can't do CPUs right now, something they practically invented, so I don't see them making a good anything any time soon.
The TSMC revelation isn't very surprising. If TSMC manufactured their latest stuff abroad, there would be less incentive to defend Taiwan if China made a move.
Steve, thank you for not wasting a lot of time talking about CPUs that no one I know can ever afford, the unobtainium Threadripper.
To be fair to Taiwan, the ban on exporting latest Gen chip-making technology is a vital part of its national defence strategy.
If a lot of companies, particularly US ones, didn't need cutting edge chips, I'm sure the US military protection would largely disappear...
"...you don't have to keep everything...." Hooboy Wendell's ears are burnin'!
"are we on the same NDA?" is something as a consumer ive never thought about devs needing to worry about.
I don't think that part was really accurate... In leased office buildings where multiple companies are "sharing" the building, it's almost always going to be set up so that each company has its own security perimeter with card key access for its employees only. You're not going to be just sitting across the hall from employees of other companies. In fact often the way it works is that different companies rent different floors of the building, and you need the right company's card key to even access the elevator button for going to that company's floor.
@flamingspinach As a corpo employee, I find this both correct and incorrect somehow. At my employer's, stairs and escalators are shared with other companies; most kitchens are not, but then they don't account for in-company access control fencing, that prevents people like me from walking into half of the offices.
Whether people actually care about not talking about their subjectively boring daily projects, or hiding documents and props on lifts, is a different matter entirely?
THANKS STEVE!
Keeping my 4080 till it blows up. :)
Why would it blow up...?
In resale value
oof you better knock on wood...
What's up with Nvidia giving us these gimped cards. So much for competition, 5080 should have way more cuda cores.
Because Nvidia sell so well it does not need to upgade specks!
What's the competition anyway? AMD has abandoned the high end and Intel still has to reach the midrange
Nvidia should just charge $5000 for the 5090...people have proven time and time again it's very difficult to price things too high for the "gotta have it for no reason" generation. Might as well make more money from she sheeples
$5090 5090 would be even better, because, the more you buy, the more you save :)
I mean you know, as a 3d artist having a good gpu is an insane advantage. I hate giving money to nvidia but i have no choice. Not everybody that buys a 90 class gpu games on it, many actually use it for work.
@@Florianski If it's the Top of the Line Tool for your Work that's not Stupid. Only if you want it for Gaming, so Gamers buying that are indeed more than Stupid.
@@Florianski congrats, you're the target "professional" market their new and even more highly priced GPU will be marketed at. Lucky you
@@greebj why would i be lucky? I dont wanna spend 2k on a gpu but i kinda have to
Hey Steve, you probably didn’t know or care about it this but I think it’s some fun trivia! regarding 4:10, it’s not pronounced “Aloha”. It’s a silly little local thing where we pronounce specifically that town name “Aloah”, as in “a-lo-a”. Fun little way to see if someone is new to the area :)
just got the inductor dice set and cyber skel tee shirt both look great, i ordered when you where doing the live stream with ln2 9800x3d so i got one signed by both of you. someone needs to make a computer related dice town for this please lol!!
Wow! Thanks for buying them and glad it arrived already!
Gamers Nexus is the gift that keeps on giving. Happy Holidays!
I do not think gpu prices are going down at all or will.
that's why i said i'll buy the last pc and if I'm going for a new PC in the future it will be a budget one x)
Well done Steve and crew. How you click it is why I watch.
16:24 Sounds like the average gaming monitor naming scheme
Monitor names be like PLQ274G8AERO144FX-2U3CDPPD-GS
GN, thanks for covering labor news, it’s really important!
4:37 After 23 years at a bank, they were downsizing and I got 2 years of pay because they had no spot for me.
@17:50: Possible editing glitch? "You don't need to keep everything, [Wendell]" 🤣🤣🤣
RTX 5090 rumors and possible Zen 5 Threadripper.
That's what I'm here for.
Bro is gonna render out the Milky Way.
@indrajitkonar5461
Is it really enough power?
I went to the oregon fab when i was a kid. IT WAS INSANE AND SO COOL.
I wish i knew it was the experience of a lifetime but you never know, until it ended.
Intel needs to step up on their game with CPUs. We need more competition so we can have more suitable prices and stock!
Underscoring the underscore is important :)
You guys going to make a MEOW PC build?
Yes, the CEO needs an upgraded PC.
What are PC parts for a MEOW PC? As I would like one myself.
Should do another one! We have the case for it. ua-cam.com/video/62oPBdI9CSA/v-deo.html
@@jodiepalmer2404 Colorful has a "Meow" series of pc parts.
@@GamersNexuswish people would build more of what they want and not pigion hole themsevles to whats recommended/ high-end & best.
Needs more style
Bye the way are you going to retest threadripper 7000 series on the windows 11 update that gave an increase to zen 4/5?
Thanks for this week's Hardware Rumours, Steve! ;P
13:22 Nerds of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains!
Was thinking of upgrading the 3080, but not playing the find a GPU game like in 2021. Maybe in another year or two.
I'm in the same boat. Not exactly keen to hear about the pricing stuff that'll come out shortly for the 50 series cards.
Who knows, might have to wait until the 60 series before I can justify it enough
Were you throwing shade at Wendel at 17:42 ?? lol
Finally, the 9950x3D and the 50 series. I've been waiting for both of these, The time has come.
The underscore underscores how important the information is
"I hear that train a comin'
It's rollin' round the bend.
And I ain't seen the sunshine
Since I don't know when..."
Excited for 9900x3d.
Selling land and then planning to lease it back is a bad idea. Especialy becuase the person who buys it can refuse to lease it.
True, but i think the ultimate goal is to get their teams under the same roof. Eventually, INTEL will wind down operations on those leased lands and the workers will have to move if they want to keep their jobs.
@@henrythegreatamerican8136bingo, I’ve seen dozens of multi-national and exponentially more local and regional brands follow this playbook in the past, eh decade-ish (clearly accelerating in the post covid era). REITs have tons of money and companies that have either over expanded or needed to restructure because of market changes for a variety of reasons are often desperate for a lifeline, often it’s a lifeline only a REIT is willing to extend.
@@henrythegreatamerican8136 it can also be an interesting plan to fire them while looking better
I am pretty sure that Intel's lawyers are smart enough to write a contract that includes the lease back clause.
Nobody wants to be stuck owning office space these days. The writing's on the wall for most in-office work.
I watch all the Ytube news outlets and yours is the best cause of the humor keep up the reporting of reported reports!
Weird nitpick, but as a local that Oregon town's name is pronounced "Aloa", dropping the H. Supposedly it was originally named "Aloah", but they messed up the forms and transposed the A and the H. Neat bit of trivia, but Jensen Huang actually graduated from Aloha High School.
Awesome trivia. Love it.
did not know the Jensen lore
I'm a little disappointed that the SSD story didn't cut from Steve talking about how you don't have to keep everything to a clip of Wendel looking shocked.
Glad I already bought a 4070 Super.
I hope mid range 50 series gpus can have 16GB Vram. And there's a 20GB and 24GB (and 28GB?) models, for in between 16 and 32 GB. Cuz nothing in between 16 and 32 makes me feel like Nvidia wants you to buy the 32 GB model, or feel like you're missing out. I dunno if 16GB will be enough for high end gamers in the near future.
I know right, me too... I thought I would get eclipsed by some crazy 5070 around the corner, using the new Blackwell architecture with at least 16 GB of VRAM but apparently I'm safe. I will stick to comfortably running with what I got for now... Idk what they are doing with that card as they speed it up but limit vram, that's pretty awkward for a 4k upgrade.
8GB is ok for 1080p...for now, but if you're looking to build something to last until 2030 then you're gonna need more (or just stick with indie and older games).
@@deanchur Yeah indie games. Hollow Knight 1 ran at 60 fps on my pc even before I got a gpu.
Very odd seeing Camas in here. I had no idea they had chosen the Vancouver (not BC) area for their fab.
Of course Nvidia will keep the 40series in limited supply, how else are they going to keep the price threw the roof. Nvidia made a 15% increase from last year, I wish the company I worked for could say that...
excited for my dice, thanks steve and GN team
Happy Thanksgiving. God bless.
Pedantic comment from Oregon: "Aloha" is pronounced "uh-low-uh." I know it makes literally zero sense, but here we are. We also have a "Couch St" pronounced "cooch!"
Also, Clatskanie, Willamette, Gervais, Estacada, and Tualatin are fun.
Lol wth with the cooch lol
On the Aloha, that helps -- thanks! On "Couch St," uh, what?! hahaha
9950 EX....THREE.....DEEEEEEEE!!!! Wow, time flies when you're having fun...with no money. I just now swapped my 3700X for a 5950X.
5 (weird) years late but less than half the price. Now I've got 32 threads hitting 5000 MHz instead of 16 at 4.4.
My 3D programs don't move like a buffering movie anymore. I'm all like yay! and stuff.
I would never skip to the 5090 segment
Thx Steve!😁
6:30 i was too busy looking at the ford bronco ad than Intel
50% better than us hahah
I was very much entertained during this ep
Yay... the retail stores will buy all the units like they did with the 9800X3D, and bundle it with crap items they can't move to sell it at a higher margin.
Nvi isn't running low on production because of the 50series only. They stated ever since the 2xxx line up that the hype "ill buy when the new line releases" will come to an end as they want to keep the price high. Thats what happened earlier this year with the 40 as well.
Glad to finally see real proof that battlemage cards exist! Probably won't upgrade unless I need the extra power though since my A770 is working just fine right now.
The "big" seller for the Alchemist card is the A750, a 8GB card with 28 Xe cores and a Base clock rate of 2050 MHz and a turbo clock of 2400 MHz. This can be compared to the A580 which used the same die, ACM-G10, 8GB memory and 24 Xe cores at 1700 MHz and no boost clock.
The A770 use the same die, 16GB memory 32 Xe cores at 2100 MHz base and 2400 MHz boost.
Now the only Battlemage card we are seeing mentioned is the B580 with 12GB of memory with a bus width of 192 bits.
A few interesting thoughts here are that this card seems to be the cutback of the B750 if it ever is released. That's just speculation but there is another interesting detail and that's the bus width for the memory. On the B580 it's 192 bits while on the A750 it's 256 bits. The memory type is the same for both, DDR6, but the memory clock speed isn't specified. To perform better than the memory on the A750 it will need to be clocked at or above 21 333 Mega Transfers. The memory on the A580 and A750 run at 16 000 MT, but it also has 33% wider bus so it can transfer more data per clock cycle.
So the question is will there be a B750? Another interesting question is if there will be a B770? From the rumor mill it appears that the die for the B770 has not been taped out yet so it is not currently in production. A difference to the Alchemist cards is that the B580 and the B770 doesn't use the same die like they did in the Alchemist series. So if the die for B770 isn't put in production we won't see those cards. We also don't know what die the B750 would use, if it were to be produced at all.
Lots of questions. Now we just have to wait for the cards to hit the shelf. Sadly Battlemage is quite probably the last version of ARC cards we will see. Rumors claim that at least one Celestial core has been completed and could be put in production, but given the state of Intels money problems it looks like Pat won't spend a penny more on the ARC cards than he absolutely has to. And given that the "big" Battlemage die hasn't been taped out I think it's not very likely that they will spend the money to take the Celestial core to production. At least they got more cards out the door than the last time they made graphics cards back in 1998 when they made the Intel 740. They did develop two more cores, the 752 and 754, but those were never used in graphics cards. The core design was however later used in the 810 and 815 chipsets which were used by a lot of motherboards from 1999 and a few years on.
Your profile pic looks like a face when it's small lol
As much as Intel are in their current situation due to some poor choices, it baffles me how the Gov isn't ponying up the grant money. I feel a lot of those bad decisions were based on the impression they'd have more resources to follow through and instead are left with a fart in the wind for support.
GB205, same 12gb of vram and 8% more cuda cores !? Ngreedia is upselling the 5060ti as usual like they did with 4070
Hey Steve, just a small note - locals pronounce the area (and therefore the Intel campus) named Aloha as “Alo-ah”. Thanks Steve!
It was kind of entertaining how many (completely understandable) mispronunciations there were in that Zenimax story.
As a former BSW employee, I had some chuckles.
Selling Property is 1 step closer to 2$ stock
AMD 2012 remember ?
depends from how much property you have. AMD in 2012 was selling their shirts and office furniture to pay the bills, Intel here is selling their fourth mansion on the beach with front seaside access
12gb for the budget card, thats how you do it
Can't wait to Blow 3k CAD on a 5090
Here's a thought...don't! Holy crap, who knew you don't have to "blow" money on unnecessary things
@SloDansChubE YOLO brother
@@DaMerk5u should be a financial advisor
Im getting a 5090 as well for my next build. Good luck with yours!
More like 3k USD for the bottom barrel 5090’s
"what we trying to lay off", that was a good one
With Nvidia having such a lead in the gpu space, you’d think they would start to focus on power efficiency at this point
Why? Focusing on reducing die size would make more business sense.
@ Great point, but power efficiency would be the last nail in the coffin for AMD. I know it’s not the kind of market they’re aiming for, but would make them much more appealing.
As an a770 owner, Im really excited for the new battlemage gpus. About 6 months ago I went from a 6900xt to the 16gb a770 bifrost (sold the gpu to a friend who wanted to try amd) and its been wonderful for my uses, even vr, and the only gpu "issue" is weird texture coloration in Escape from Tarkov Arena, Star citizen even runs decently.
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Hmm... new bottom VCache X3D Threadrippers? Now that'd be fun.
EA and Microsoft, where game studios go to die!
Why would NVIDIA know graphics cards will not be purchasable? Why do they know their highest demanded product won't be made, and ultimately they don't seem to care to put more into the world? Is it convenient that they performed math to predict this around now? No. There's no such thing as coincidences.
NVIDIA is withdrawing its products from the market until it feels more confident that the world isn't going to end. NVIDIA is an eastern culture company, and as a result, some of them are looking out for each other collectively. Wait and see. NVIDIA will tank faster than the crash of 2008.
Think about it. Entertain it. Maybe companies plan for the end of the world.
??? What is this tinfoil nonsense? Nvidia has prioritized manufacturing of AI cards because they have better profit margins so they have less capacity for gaming cards than in the past. And the said they have stopped making the 40xx to produce the 50xx.
What's the plan for the end of the world anyway? Having manufacturing capacity of high performance silicon is useless in a post-nuke world
End of the world? Based on? Really?