I've done this myself many a time. There's definitely a good improvement to motion judder over the traditional 60fps lock. 83fps is another target lock of mine.
Rich should definitely be able to run his pc at higher frames with his expensive gpu. Unfortunately only a small group of people can afford those. Everybody seems like promoting nvidia and them in return increase prices. The gaming pc loses appeal.
This is one card that should be heavily tested in 4K scenarios as this is that card people claimed to be in an awkward spot as it has the power for 4K but the memory bandwidth could hold it back. So I would have liked to see the TI and TI Super go head to head in more 4K scenarios (with comparisons to 1440p and looking at the scaling)
To be fair, the XX70 cards are always targeting 1440p for demanding games. They were never meant for 4K despite they can play games in 4K, I always purchase the XX70 since I only play my games in 1440p. I have a regular 4070 and I'm happy with the results
@@davillain9974 true, but like you said, it can be used for 4K and I wonder how truly viable it is currently and how it may fare the next few years. It's more powerful than a 3090 which is the 4K GPU of yesteryear. Of course newer games have higher targets, but not by much since they mostly target console performance. I got a 4070Ti for 1440p 144hz and it's perfect , but with the frames I get I often wonder how well it could drive a 4K high refresh rate display with DLSS what not.
I run a 4070ti and it's true the 12GB sometimes bottlenecks the card at 4K, ray traced Cyberpunk being the best example. It makes the game stutter momentarily as data is instead off loaded to system RAM. Hogwarts Legacy and Alan Wake can max out that VRAM pool too. Regardless, with some game settings optimizing it's still a great 4K card.
@@davillain9974 That seems arbitrary since they almost always perform the same or better than the x80 Ti card of 15 months prior. idk about you but I'm not selling my 3090 just because it's apparently just a 1440p card now...
Looks like the Ti Super exists simply to carry 16GB of memory, that's why it uses AD103 just for its 256-bit bus, while a whole lot of SMs and L2 cache being disabled to keep the performance tier down enough, apart from the memory bandwidth bonus. Not very compelling offer for that price.
If they'd just done this at launch like they should have, it'd have been a much more compelling option. Paying $800+ for any Ada card that's not the 4090 just seems silly at this point. Might as well cling on for the 5000 series, given it's nearly February already.
Ture. But some people were somehow frustrated that original 4070 Ti offered "just" 12GB of VRAM. So it looks like Ti Super was made specically for them.
But this is what everyone asked for...price aside people always want a lower price but in reality Nvidia gave more for the same price....and still it isn't good enough....people will always want more for less.
@@stangamer1151bingo! I have the 4070 Ti and I am a content creator and I haven’t had any issues with it at all! It chews up everything I throw at it plus video editing is lightning fast. Idk what the issue is but to each is own 🤷🏾♂️
Loved the video DF. I prefer these videos way more than the bar charts other channels do. Some performance testing at native res, some with upscaling, some with RT, etc. I also find that the games you guys benchmark are much more in line with what I'm interested in.
Here in Canada, TUF Gaming 4070 Ti Super costs $1,099. 4080 Costs $1,629. That's enough said lol. Obviously, you just go with the Ti Super. Plus, 4070 Ti costs just $100 less than 4070 Ti Super, so just, again, go with Ti Super for the slight performance uplift along with 33% more VRAM. However - if you don't need RT, DLSS, DLDSR, or CUDA for professional work, just go with 7900 XT obviously. Though DLSS is very good and comes with significant uplifts to image fidelity over native res, even though, yes, it's an upscaled image. One can't argue with the insanely good anti-aliasing it produces, though.
No, you should still not buy this ridiculous card. If you must buy from Nvidia at these ridiculous prices, at least wait one more week for the 4080 Super to arrive and then make your decision.
If Nvidia wants people to choose Nvidia, they need to sort out the VRAM pricing. VRAM should increase every number we go up. They have time to make the 5000 series better but we don’t know.
I mean, if you’re a gamer, you can basically use DLSS on almost all games. If it’s fast enough, you can just use DLAA. Or you have to only play League of Legends or something like that. But then you don’t even need a discrete gpu..
I think more users were excited for the 4070ti super than the 4070 super with the ram and bus speed being the selling point. After seeing recent reviews I will wait and see the price to performance of the last super.
@@PCgamingbenchmarktime and 200 cheaper than the og 4080. Performance is a big part of it but I’m looking for best value at that performance range. Users were looking for something close to 4080 performance at a better price and the 4070ti was another card with the ti or super name that performed closer to the og than the next tier. The 3060ti is a good example of the bump users expect to see with ti or super title. With the specs of the new 70tisuper duper users expected it to perform closer to the 4080.
Disappointing. We've had to wait all this time for an AD103 below $1k USD and the only thing going for it is the extra VRAM. Nvidia have never looked so stingy to me. I'm looking forward to see how the 4080 Super performs when it's out.
@@nss2vprez I believe they intentionally didn't raise the performance of 4080 super much. They may want to keep enough headroom for the upcoming 5080. I am assuming 5080 will be hardly 25-30% uplift from the 4080. If they had raised the performance of 4080 super by say 15% over the 4080, then there won't be much excitement when the 5080 launches. They may be going to reduce the die size of 5080 to achieve low cost chip manufacturing.
It's peace of mind you buy with the 16GB version, 12GB just don't cut it for 4070ti level performance. It's just a little faster than the 12GB version but 4-5 years from now it will still slap while 4070ti 12GB will have to reduce texture settings. Considering it's the same price that 4070ti was and replaces it in the lineup, it's just Nvidia recognizing this is what this card should have been from the start.
Agreed went with this card due to the 16gb. Sold my 6900xt, AMD struggled in some games I play. Warhammer Dark Tide went from a shuddering mess to perfect. But did not want to go lower than 16 gb. With mid range AMD all having 16 go in the not too distant future less than will be an issue.
What’s so stupid is the problem was never the performance. No one wanted another 5% performance to tip them over the edge for a purchase. The problem is the price. The existing 4070 cards just needed a $200 price drop. So does the 4080 tbh. Should be 80 for $800, 70ti for $600 and 70 for $400.
@@eclypse1259 I wish US presidents were in the tiers of intelligence that cause AI breakthroughs, but I think you're gonna have to pocket the political drivel for now.
@@siyzerix Everyone expected that it would but it didn't. I think that it also explains why memory OC on 4070ti didn't increase performance much despite narrow memory bus. It would be interesting to see 4070ti with 64mb l2 cache and see how much it would help. Ofc it won't happen.
@@emilszumio3221 At this point, it just seems that nvidia was double scamming us with the rtx 4070ti super. The regular 4070ti was more like a 4070 and 4070ti super seems to be more like a 4070ti.
@@siyzerix 40xx price/perf was terrible at launch and supers only got a little better. Main strenght of 4070ti s is 16gb vram, which should help with longevity. Personally i just got 3090 with double sided waterblock recently and will keep it for while.
@emilszumio3221 It surprised me too. I hate to say it, but judging from the underwhelming uplift here, as well as the recently released 7600xt struggling to make gains vs cards from nvidia with less VRAM, I'm starting to think Nvidia's choice to emphasize cache & memspeed over vram buffer size is actually the right design call for a given performane expectation. Every 40xx ti card so far hasn't seen as much benefit from the VRAM bump as many were hoping to see, although hardware unboxed did point out that VRAM limitations dont always manifest in FPS drops.
I got this card because it was the only nvidia card with 16gb of vram that didn’t cost $1,000. It pretty much handles absolutely everything max settings 1440p. You can pathtrace with dlss 3.5 and it surprisingly plays very well
Passing it with about 52 fps on a low tier rdna2 gpu even on linux. So no corridor of doom or whatever Alex called it due to low fps on a 3060 on windows.
The dual encoders thing was actually just compared to the 30 series which applied to the 3090 in the video, which had more pressing failures lessening any point that could be made about encoding so I get what happened and so I hope he sees this.
I truely am thankful for all that do reviews of products, the info is great. I just can't stand how most just pan these releases based on the fact of which cards they are replacing. 4070 ti to 4070 ti super. Ignoring the fact that most of us do not buy $500+ graphics card at every release. I bought in 2020 a 2070 super, I am super excited at the increases I will get on the 4070 ti super in my system. Compare how Cyberpunk runs 2070 vs this card? Advise if this is a good time to make that upgrade etc. I think it is and am stoked that I choose to wait until the supers were released. I will see you again in another 4 or 5 years when it time to upgrade again.
im in the exact same spot as you, bought a 2070s in 2020 and cant wait for an upgrade. i still manage to hit 120+ with dlss 1440p on games like warzone but most of the time everything on low-mid
@@De4daim 2070 was actually a decent performer, it's only because Nvidia kneecapping it with 8GB instead of putting 16GB already it can still be useful for another 2 years from now (it was the time when Nvidia spokes person drop the "8GB is all you need")
@@yasunakaikumiThat 8gb line was almost as bad as microsoft saying you could just buy an xbox 360 instead of a one if you didn't have a 24/7 internet connection
Yes. in the last ten year or so, i used a rx 580 8gb until it died for the most part and replaced it with a rx 6600 (it was around covid stuff, so i was happy to not use a borrowed 1050 ti anymore). For me supers are a bonus, because i didn't wanted to get a 12gb card, even if its okay and probably for quite a while. Thou still undecided what to buy ti super or maybe an xtx. But kinda excited to upgrade from 1080p anyhow, thou fps tax seems harsh.
If i were you I'd try undervolting the GPU because it can potentially minimise or totally eliminate coil whine, along with bringing other benefits like less heat and power usage at a negligible decrease in performance.
I can't believe this didn't end with "unless you're watching this in the future where you can find out right now, but in the here and now, that's all there is from me."
Thanks, would have been nice to see more 4K results though, just like you said the difference introduced by the wider bus is probably more noticeable there, so I don't understand the heavy focus on 1440P.
@@Liq38 Welp, who says so? I've seen this card hitting 200-300 FPS territory in some titles from the handpicked gamplays Richard presented to us. It's probably not a 4K pathtracing card (in fact it's bold to call any GPU that) but for raster these details would have been interesting. I know this channel is mostly focused on showcasing RT workloads but if the 3090 was marketed as a 8k card I don't see suddenly 3 years later a newer and stronger GPU how could be called a 1440P one, hehe. I just call BS on the 1440P aspect. Also replying to the other comment, I could for sure, but I've never did yet, hence I've watched hundreds of DF videos. I'm not here to get redirected. People use to pretend that everyone is always interested in the most demanding titles, but the truth is the ones playing Alan Wake 2 with PT enabled is probably the minority by far. I just don't get this kind of mindset. If you play a game from 2-3 years ago, using high settings at 4K suddenly doesn't feel like an unachievable feat..
@@H4GRlD this card ain't hitting above 100 fps in any 4k games at ultra settings with raytracing etc. I even have a hard time calling the 4080 a 4k card. The 7900XTX without raytracing and the 4090 are the only 2 real 4k cards we have if you want above 100fps or any type of futureproofing
@@Liq38I'm definitely not talking about future proofing, but I would gladly play newer AAA titles at 60-80FPS native at 4K, so having 100+ with DLSS Q. We probably just have different standards. If a card can play locked 60 at native 4K I wouldn't call it a 1440P GPU because it won't go up to 144Hz.. It sounds like a bit of an elitist mindset. To go to even crazier claims, PS5 and Xbox are probably pushing 4K in their marketing slides and I don't think I have to introduce their performance levels to you. 😅 (I'm not trolling you with saying current gen consoles are capable of running games at 4K, but this GPU has like 2-3 times the horsepower compared to them) What I'm trying to say in the end, is that seeing a potential 20% uplift at 4K because of the wider bus and memory bandwidth is most definitely a much more exciting topic than seeing 3-8% difference in 1440P..
They have produced a limited run of the 4070 Ti Super series and that is why there is no founders edition. They are sitting on shelves too after the lackluster reviews. They want to upsell you to the 4080 Super.
Gap between the 4080 and 4070 SuperTI® (where the 4070 TISU seems to be underperforming it's specs) might be down to TDP and thermal limits. The same TDP as the plain TI might not be enough power to drive AD103 and is leaving it starved. (I read somewhere that newer Nvidia chips can disable entire SMs for power saving). So the extra shaders might not be getting utilized in titles that reach the TDP limits.
Its probably due to 48mb cache (same as 4070s/ti) as someone mentioned in other comment. Clock seems to stay at about 2700mhz so similar to other 40xx gpus. Edit: Shutting down SMs probably happens in idle not during load. Power throotling only causes core clock to drop, which seems to not be the case.
It's one of the LG OLED TV screens. I think it's a 48" CX but I could be mistaken. You can't go wrong with the LG OLED C series but now that QD OLED 4K 240hz monitors are a thing you should look into one of those if you want the best.
I really hope Nvidia gets their act together. Hoping to upgrade by the time the 6000 series comes out. If prices are still whack I’ll have to hold onto my 4070 until 7000.
@@David-nd4to The data show that they were charging approx $6k USD per wafer at 10 nm and projected $20k for 3nm. I was being a bit facetious, but that is four generations and a jump of 333%. So, not all that farfetched.
Why wouldn't you use 4K DLSS performance over 1800P DLSS Balanced? It should be about the same base resolution. I'm kinda confused here. Sounds like if you have a 4K monitor and are upscaling it to a non-native resolution, you wouldn't get as good of an image.
4K DLSS has a considerably larger DLSS performance hit versus 1800p DLSS. The DLSS performance hit -- yes, DLSS has its own performance cost -- is essentially fixed, and based on the *output* resolution, not the input resolution. While your render frametime will vary, using DLSS (or FSR, or XeSS) tacks on an extra few milliseconds to each frame. This can ultimately limit your maximum performance as the performance cost of doing DLSS at 4K is both fixed and significant (can be on the order of ~6ms on RTX 3000 GPUs, closer to 4ms on RTX 4080). This is, by the way, the reason that DLSS doesn't implement an "Ultra Quality" preset in most games-the DLSS "Quality" preset is only 44% resolution, a huge cut because you HAVE to make that much of a cut in order for DLSS to be consistently worth it.
@@azazelleblack Thank you so much for your response, this makes so much more sense now. I was always wanting to ask why DLSS didn't offer an Ultra Quality Preset, so this explanation makes it make sense. Thank you :)
@@Phil_529 Nope! It's 66.6% linear resolution scale, but your monitor is a plane, not a line. 66.6% across both linear directions results in 44% (okay, 43.5%) resolution.
did they fix the performance issue? My Msi Ventus 4070ti super just arrived should i return it and wait for 4080 super? I honestly just play fortnite and cod both at 1080p low graphics. I have a 7800x3d would a better graphics card make a difference on low graphics and a cpu bound game like fortnite? thank you
They basically just bumped RTX 4070 TI to 16 Gig of Memory and not much more. Saw some benchmarks were on most Triple AAA Titles you will see 3 - 5 FPS Increase.
it doesnt make sense how the bigger die and 700+ more cuda cores only end up with 5% uplift. nvdia is definitely holding back the performance of the ti super by not giving it enough TDP to leave room for 4080
Honestly, I've not been impressed with any gpu from this gen, either from AMD or Nvidia. The gpu's are fine, but the pricing of them is crazy, so much so, that the real highlight of this gen is the last gen, that's quite telling considering how well the last gen keeps selling. Seriously Intel, with ARC 2, there's a massive opening to steal market share from both AMD and Nvidia, especially in the low to mid-end, which is the vast bulk of market share, and all Intel has to do is what AMD and Nvidia don't want to do, be more aggressive on pricing. I kinda feel sorry for AMD, because if Intel does get its act together in the dgpu, they probably will be more aggressive because they don't want to play second fiddle to Nvidia, and unfortunately for AMD, they are the ones that will likely get squeezed from top to bottom, because AMD doesn't have the market share or mind share which will make them a far easier target for Intel. AMD does have good gpu's, but they are priced in such a way that are a little cheaper than Nvidia's line-up, but because Nvidia's line-up is better and they have the mindshare, AMD isn't gaining any market share, and they never will unless they either have a better product then what Nvidia is offering or they are more aggressive on the pricing. AMD were more aggressive in the early days of Ryzen on performance and price, and it worked, they started to gain market share as well as mind share, they've not done any of that on the gpu market and it's market share has been in decline ever since, Nvidia must be laughing at AMD for more or less giving the market to Nvidia, and Intel probably can't believe it's luck that there is such a massive opening in the dgpu market for them to take advantage off, especially on pricing.
Stop whining. Nvidia isn't responsible for inflation. 1 in 10 gamers bought an rtx40 card BEFORE this refresh, so the pricing obviously isn't as bad as you claim.
Last gen will literally always be better value than current-gen by definition bro... otherwise last gen wouldn't sell at all. Obviously they'll lower the price until it's compelling for value buyers.
@@Wobbothe3rd Nvidia is responsible. The 1080 Ti was priced at 699; The 2080 Ti was priced at 999; The 3080 Ti was priced at 1199... in 4 years Nvidia just doubled the MSRP of their products, while the cumulative rate of inflation of that same period is 13%. "The more you buy, the more you save".
It's midrange for its generation. But It's still a high-end card overall. It's like expecting a mid range car that comes out in 2024 to cost the same as a midrange car from 2008.
Here in Australia we have some crazy pricing. 4070 is ~900 aud, 4070 super is 1119 msrp, 4070 ti is ~1150, 4070 ti super is 1499 msrp, 4080 is ~1600, and 4080 super is 1870 msrp. 4090 is over 3k.
even worse in Japan.. add another 10-15% on top of that.. pretty sure anything non-japanese is slug a huge import tax to discourage buyers to purchase non-japanese products.. unfortunately they dont make a GPU and this reflects everything here.. rip off country for gaming period.
This renamed 4075 and releasing at £500 would have made it this years 1080ti that was an awesome card at the time although much more expensive and still hanging in there today. Anyway the pricing has become silly, grab a 6700xt and hang out a few years. Everything higher than a 6650xt or 6700xt for the average gamer is just burning money for something you have no idea how to get maximum use from and the users that edit/stream/play 4k ultra settings already have the money to burn for a 7900xt or 4080/4090 so this card is not nearly in the right price range for what it is.
You didn't compare the card to the 4070 ti at 4k meaning you basically didn't look at any possible performance benefits it had. A little dissapointed in this review.
I also agree. 4K should be the scenario where the difference between AD104 and 103 shines the most. It just seems like DF is pushing the path traced (and heavy RT) titles where indeed 4K is not an option for this GPU. I'm fairly certain that for most of the gamers out there this would be a perfectly adequate 4K gaming pc part. Just like what we could see from the Forza benchmark ~300FPS at 1440P.. Yeah this is a 1440P GPU 😅 People are a bit out of touch nowadays..
@@harrygeoffrion4520 If by "optimized settings" you mean low-medium settings + DLSS Quality, I could agree with you. Though, I would not call this a great gaming experience.
I have a 4070ti super. The monitor is LG 65" Oled evo, 4k 120hz. Cod Warzon running 120fps. The game settings are 4k and it runs almost with the maximum game settings, I am satisfied.
You mentioned you were using 1800p res, and used dlss performance over that. How did you set 1800p res? I tried using CRU but it doesn’t work for me, and for some reason monitor hz is only 59.99something hz inside CRU.
This is the best video on the RTX 4070ti super. Thank you very much for your help. Also thank you very much for all the work you've done on this video. It is much appreciated
Solid review. Where I am the price for the 4070 Ti and the Ti Super are almost identical. Its a no brainer for me as I was going to get the 4070 Ti anyway.
Honestly the performance of the 4070ti super might not be the best but it has higher memory bandwidth and more vram, trust me vram is going to make a whole lot of difference in the future, there's a reason why the 4070ti is being discontinued
@@AssassinIsAfkthe Main reason is probably because what would Nvidia price the 4070ti at if the super is being sold at the same price. Can’t drop the price or it’ll cannibalise both the 4070 super and the ti super sales.
The 70 Ti Super was always gonna be the card that made the least sense in the new stack imo. Really confused me when I saw a lot of people acting like it was gonna be the one to buy. Just save the money on a 70 Super and get really similar performance, or spend the extra on an 80 Super for a massive performance jump.
The 25% extra Vram is why people would get the TI super over the 70super. If you are type of consumer to only upgrade every 4-5 years then the 16 GB over 12GB will be a big deal 4 years down the road
This seems like a better value upgrade to me than the 4070 Super. That GPU costs 10% more than the 4070 for 15% more performance. 5% more FPS/$. Here you're getting 8% more FPS per dollar, and 4 GB more VRAM.
I have no idea RTX 3090 performs lower than non-90, 4000 series RTX card; I thought that beast of GPU with 24GB memory could hold for like another 4 years or something, but nope. Good thing I don't spend on it and just happy with my 3080 for now.
I know you don’t normally do overclocking. But since the RTX 4070 Ti Super is on AD103. Is it possible to overclock it to be closer to a RTX 4080? Would be interesting to test.
the 800 pricepont is in such a weird spot. Better to just get the 4080 super for 999 for a much better card. Especially now that the 4090 had its price increased
All of you asking for the prices to drop its not going to happen. Nvidia has clearly rebranded itself to “pay a price for premium” and they got the price to performace exactly where they want it. 1k for 4080 and tiers follow below. They obviously have data showing these prices are right on the line to where people will still buy yet complain. None of you normies understand this so youll just complain or buy it.
I haven't looked into it much but is there something you are using to push the 1800p resolution in games? is it a manual adjustment in the specific game ini's you are using? or is this a custom resolution in the nvidia settings?
You could also make a 3840x1620 custom resolution to claw back performance and play at a 21:9 ratio. Makes it look like a movie and with OLED the black bars aren't really an issue.
Still hanging on to my 1080ti. I know.....I'm so far behind. The 5000 series is when I'll finally get back into it and do a new top to bottom pc build.
Still better than the 1070 I'm sitting on... I've thought about upgrading for a while now, but if i get a new card i might as well build a new PC and that's gonna cost like 2000€. So i said f it and bought a steam deck instead and I'm really happy with it. Because f nvidia...
@@heebs9728 i was waiting for sanity to prevail and the prices to come down to normal from the covid/crypto boom, but we all know how that went. I'm still waiting. I can afford a 4070/4070ti but i don't like getting fleeced. Here is Sweden the cheapest 4070ti is 1000$. It's just not reasonable to me, to put so much money on one component, even if i have the money.
I am going from the 2000 series to a 4070 Ti Super. So overall I was looking less at how it compares to previous cards (though still relevant) and more at how it fills the space between the 4070 and 4080. Everything I’m seeing makes the 4070 Ti Super feel pretty good midway between the $600 and $1000. Where the 4070 Super starts to strain a bit at top end 1440p path tracing on games like AW2, the Ti Super can handle it comfortably and smoothly. That extra 10-15fps average, and keeping the lows in the mid-50s instead of the 40s really is something you can feel. And because I also output to a 4k TV for couch play, having something that can more comfortably handle high settings with smooth frames with those top quality games (again AW2 being a fave of mine, and one I definitely want to see at its best) is a big deal. I think the Ti Super may be a bit more niche in who it’s for, as most players are probably comfortable with high end 1440p and aren’t as worried about the maxed out path tracing that only a few games have, or they are leaning heavier into 4k gaming and want to invest more into really getting the most out of it. But as someone looking for uncompromising 1440p gaming and high performing 4k without really going in heavy on the 4k? It feels like a great option. Still waiting for mine to arrive and hope I’m right about it based on my consumer research.
Mm, that has always bothered me, all those DP ports and only a single HDMI, So very grateful for those few models/brands that include an extra HDMI (yes I know you can usually use an adapter or a DP -> HDMI Cable, still a hassle)
Had to RMA my 7900xt for hot spot issues. Think I’m gonna get 4070super for my second pc that I hook to tv. Will keep 7900xt in my main rig once it comes back but I really want nvidia option cuz dls is really far ahead of fsr. I mean Allen wake looks like shit on any amd card.
@@Phil_529 I am between deciding between card and have not much experience with them so far... but the new afmf frame generation turning on/off by motion is what baffles me. Like i rather not have it then, fps fluctuating all over the place. I wonder what they are thinking, its not good like this. What the end goal here? or this is it?
Don't expect a high tier Intel card. AMD are not making a high tier RDNA4 card either. Nvidia won't launch much this year after the Super cards because no competition.
@Mopantsu Its not so much a higher tier card we are waiting for but a better value one, if they can push out a 4070 ti super or 4070 super equivalent card from around 500-650 we have a winner. A 4080 class would be a dream, but more than welcome.
The performance gap between 4090 and the rest of the cards is simply too large, especially for those ridiculous prices. 4070 tie super is pretty much exact half of 4090 for half the price. Which means that those super cards are still priced as halo class products.
Yep, many reviews have pointed out that the differences between the Super and non-S is mediocre at best in most high demanding games !! To me it lOOks very much clear WHY Ngreedia decided to replace the 4070ti with the Ti-super model .. They just KNOW very well they wouldn't sell the more expensive Ti-super (atm..) with pretty much the same 1440p performance as the non-Ti. The Sly Devils 😈
My guess is they really need to sell the AD103 dies to gamers and hey while they're at it here is this beefed up version of the same die and oh the extra stuff that didn't quite make the cut ;here you go too!' IMHO
@@krys0ll218 Well, i have my eye on either the 4070 Super , 4070Ti and 4070Ti Super ... Because i need a better card for AI / ML projects. And the amount of Tensor Cores helps allot in that regard. But i sure will keep an closer eye to the price evolution in the coming weeks and months..
I wish the mining boom would have never happened. price to performance from nvidia is just garbage now. Going to be the same shit next gen, $3000.00 5090 is going to be the only bang for buck since nvidia is going to trash the low-mid tier cards
So disappointed, really was hoping for much better performance considering the price here in Australia. I’ll past yet an again and wait for the next generation
I think most people including myself looked at the specs and thought that card will get to within 5% to a 4080, now that’s it’s out, it’s hard to pinpoint where it’s being held back. Is it the TDP limit Is it the lower L2 cache Or both of those. It’s clocked pretty well and shader count isn’t that far off. I suppose you could use a strix and up the power to try test the tdp but tbh, I would buy a cheaper version of a 4080 or 4080s before getting a strix. That that’s a choice for everyone to make themselves. Good video as always DF ty.
What on earth made you think it would be within 5% of the 80? The Cuda cores for starters are cut down by a little over 14%....they you have memory bandwidth which is cut down by around 7% and the l2 cache is cut down from 64mb down to 48mb. Even just looking at the Cuda cores which were leaked awhile ago it would be at best 14% off the 4080 lol you only have yourself to blame for thinking that. Not cure why the card was so hyped when most knew how cut down the chip was. It does performa slightly worse than expected in some games, probably due to the more limited l2 cache. Why would they have it so close to what the 4080 super is going to be ? Lol 4080 super only has a little over 6% bump in cuda cores. So at the very best....that's a 6% jump over the original. More likely to be closer to 3-4% gain. It would make no sense, nvidia is a greedy company. They're not here to please us, just extract as much money as they can from us lol
@nathanmccormack6549 even if they did it would need over 3000mhz to be within 5% I'd guess lol. Nvidia is pretty good at disappointing people this gen. Didn't help that we had people claiming it was close to the 4080 when they should have known better. Probably just click bait lol
Gonna wait for the 5070 Ti Super Ultra Extreme Mountain Dew Edition
😂😂😂😂
Same 😂
Yeah, at $1000 US MSRP.
Gotta get the Code Red special edition though
When all you can critique is the name you KNOW you have a solid product.
Good to know that Rich runs at a stable 72fps. Would’ve thought that he would be running at a higher fps.
I've done this myself many a time. There's definitely a good improvement to motion judder over the traditional 60fps lock. 83fps is another target lock of mine.
Weird FPS to lock onto. Rich must be a CRT.
As a 30fps person rich is running pretty smoothly
Vsync'ed half refresh of a 144Hz panel seems like a good way of getting decent frame pacing
Rich should definitely be able to run his pc at higher frames with his expensive gpu. Unfortunately only a small group of people can afford those. Everybody seems like promoting nvidia and them in return increase prices. The gaming pc loses appeal.
This is one card that should be heavily tested in 4K scenarios as this is that card people claimed to be in an awkward spot as it has the power for 4K but the memory bandwidth could hold it back. So I would have liked to see the TI and TI Super go head to head in more 4K scenarios (with comparisons to 1440p and looking at the scaling)
To be fair, the XX70 cards are always targeting 1440p for demanding games. They were never meant for 4K despite they can play games in 4K, I always purchase the XX70 since I only play my games in 1440p. I have a regular 4070 and I'm happy with the results
@@davillain9974 true, but like you said, it can be used for 4K and I wonder how truly viable it is currently and how it may fare the next few years. It's more powerful than a 3090 which is the 4K GPU of yesteryear. Of course newer games have higher targets, but not by much since they mostly target console performance. I got a 4070Ti for 1440p 144hz and it's perfect , but with the frames I get I often wonder how well it could drive a 4K high refresh rate display with DLSS what not.
I run a 4070ti and it's true the 12GB sometimes bottlenecks the card at 4K, ray traced Cyberpunk being the best example. It makes the game stutter momentarily as data is instead off loaded to system RAM. Hogwarts Legacy and Alan Wake can max out that VRAM pool too. Regardless, with some game settings optimizing it's still a great 4K card.
@@davillain9974 To be fair NVIDIA boldly called the original 4070 Ti a 4080 at launch so this should be even more equipped for 4K.
@@davillain9974 That seems arbitrary since they almost always perform the same or better than the x80 Ti card of 15 months prior. idk about you but I'm not selling my 3090 just because it's apparently just a 1440p card now...
Looks like the Ti Super exists simply to carry 16GB of memory, that's why it uses AD103 just for its 256-bit bus, while a whole lot of SMs and L2 cache being disabled to keep the performance tier down enough, apart from the memory bandwidth bonus. Not very compelling offer for that price.
If they'd just done this at launch like they should have, it'd have been a much more compelling option. Paying $800+ for any Ada card that's not the 4090 just seems silly at this point. Might as well cling on for the 5000 series, given it's nearly February already.
Ture. But some people were somehow frustrated that original 4070 Ti offered "just" 12GB of VRAM. So it looks like Ti Super was made specically for them.
@@CaptainKenway if you had to guess when do you think 50series will appear
But this is what everyone asked for...price aside people always want a lower price but in reality Nvidia gave more for the same price....and still it isn't good enough....people will always want more for less.
@@stangamer1151bingo! I have the 4070 Ti and I am a content creator and I haven’t had any issues with it at all! It chews up everything I throw at it plus video editing is lightning fast. Idk what the issue is but to each is own 🤷🏾♂️
Loved the video DF. I prefer these videos way more than the bar charts other channels do.
Some performance testing at native res, some with upscaling, some with RT, etc. I also find that the games you guys benchmark are much more in line with what I'm interested in.
Here in Canada, TUF Gaming 4070 Ti Super costs $1,099. 4080 Costs $1,629. That's enough said lol. Obviously, you just go with the Ti Super. Plus, 4070 Ti costs just $100 less than 4070 Ti Super, so just, again, go with Ti Super for the slight performance uplift along with 33% more VRAM.
However - if you don't need RT, DLSS, DLDSR, or CUDA for professional work, just go with 7900 XT obviously. Though DLSS is very good and comes with significant uplifts to image fidelity over native res, even though, yes, it's an upscaled image. One can't argue with the insanely good anti-aliasing it produces, though.
No, you should still not buy this ridiculous card. If you must buy from Nvidia at these ridiculous prices, at least wait one more week for the 4080 Super to arrive and then make your decision.
@@selohcin I like where you're going with that. Let's wait to see what happens. I reckon a 4070 will keep me happy for the time being.
If Nvidia wants people to choose Nvidia, they need to sort out the VRAM pricing. VRAM should increase every number we go up.
They have time to make the 5000 series better but we don’t know.
I mean, if you’re a gamer, you can basically use DLSS on almost all games. If it’s fast enough, you can just use DLAA. Or you have to only play League of Legends or something like that. But then you don’t even need a discrete gpu..
@@LeBronyaJames I always thought that VRAM should be:
*60 - 12G
*70 - 16G
*80 - 20G
*90 - 24G
but nooooooooo... Jensen wouldn't allow that
I think more users were excited for the 4070ti super than the 4070 super with the ram and bus speed being the selling point. After seeing recent reviews I will wait and see the price to performance of the last super.
Spoiler alert. 4080 super is at best 3% better than the 4080
I read that as "I'll wait to see the price to performance of the last supper" 🥖🍷😇
@@PCgamingbenchmarktime and 200 cheaper than the og 4080. Performance is a big part of it but I’m looking for best value at that performance range. Users were looking for something close to 4080 performance at a better price and the 4070ti was another card with the ti or super name that performed closer to the og than the next tier. The 3060ti is a good example of the bump users expect to see with ti or super title. With the specs of the new 70tisuper duper users expected it to perform closer to the 4080.
Truly one of the most bespoke video review implementations of all time.
I appreciated this joke.
Disappointing. We've had to wait all this time for an AD103 below $1k USD and the only thing going for it is the extra VRAM. Nvidia have never looked so stingy to me. I'm looking forward to see how the 4080 Super performs when it's out.
They've said 3% faster than 4080, so I wouldn't get overexcited. Basically just a price drop.
@@steviewonder0850 intentionally underwhelming so that people will look forward to the 50XX series
@@nss2vprez I believe they intentionally didn't raise the performance of 4080 super much. They may want to keep enough headroom for the upcoming 5080. I am assuming 5080 will be hardly 25-30% uplift from the 4080. If they had raised the performance of 4080 super by say 15% over the 4080, then there won't be much excitement when the 5080 launches.
They may be going to reduce the die size of 5080 to achieve low cost chip manufacturing.
The 5000 series isn't releasing until 2025@@White-nl8td
It's peace of mind you buy with the 16GB version, 12GB just don't cut it for 4070ti level performance. It's just a little faster than the 12GB version but 4-5 years from now it will still slap while 4070ti 12GB will have to reduce texture settings. Considering it's the same price that 4070ti was and replaces it in the lineup, it's just Nvidia recognizing this is what this card should have been from the start.
Agreed went with this card due to the 16gb. Sold my 6900xt, AMD struggled in some games I play. Warhammer Dark Tide went from a shuddering mess to perfect. But did not want to go lower than 16 gb. With mid range AMD all having 16 go in the not too distant future less than will be an issue.
@@MrSyphon28How's your experience with the card so far? Have you got any complain for the card?
12 is enough. 4 k gaming is a waste. At 1440p your textures will be fine for a decade
What’s so stupid is the problem was never the performance. No one wanted another 5% performance to tip them over the edge for a purchase.
The problem is the price.
The existing 4070 cards just needed a $200 price drop. So does the 4080 tbh. Should be 80 for $800, 70ti for $600 and 70 for $400.
The 4080 super got that exact price drop
12GB not enough performance imo
The price AND the VRAM
Bidenomics for ya!
@@eclypse1259 I wish US presidents were in the tiers of intelligence that cause AI breakthroughs, but I think you're gonna have to pocket the political drivel for now.
Everyone missing the 48MB cache cut from the 64 on the 4080. Matches the 4070 super cache, so this is why performance is closer to the 4070ti.
But it also has a 256bit bus over compared to the 4070ti. Should compensate somewhat for that missing cache.
@@siyzerix Everyone expected that it would but it didn't. I think that it also explains why memory OC on 4070ti didn't increase performance much despite narrow memory bus.
It would be interesting to see 4070ti with 64mb l2 cache and see how much it would help. Ofc it won't happen.
@@emilszumio3221 At this point, it just seems that nvidia was double scamming us with the rtx 4070ti super. The regular 4070ti was more like a 4070 and 4070ti super seems to be more like a 4070ti.
@@siyzerix 40xx price/perf was terrible at launch and supers only got a little better. Main strenght of 4070ti s is 16gb vram, which should help with longevity.
Personally i just got 3090 with double sided waterblock recently and will keep it for while.
@emilszumio3221 It surprised me too. I hate to say it, but judging from the underwhelming uplift here, as well as the recently released 7600xt struggling to make gains vs cards from nvidia with less VRAM, I'm starting to think Nvidia's choice to emphasize cache & memspeed over vram buffer size is actually the right design call for a given performane expectation. Every 40xx ti card so far hasn't seen as much benefit from the VRAM bump as many were hoping to see, although hardware unboxed did point out that VRAM limitations dont always manifest in FPS drops.
I got this card because it was the only nvidia card with 16gb of vram that didn’t cost $1,000. It pretty much handles absolutely everything max settings 1440p. You can pathtrace with dlss 3.5 and it surprisingly plays very well
5:11 "Meanwhile! At the Corridor of Doom!"
Looks like doom guy lost some weight!
Passing it with about 52 fps on a low tier rdna2 gpu even on linux.
So no corridor of doom or whatever Alex called it due to low fps on a 3060 on windows.
1:49 according to the Nvidia website the 4070Ti also has two NVENC encoders.
it does
The dual encoders thing was actually just compared to the 30 series which applied to the 3090 in the video, which had more pressing failures lessening any point that could be made about encoding so I get what happened and so I hope he sees this.
I truely am thankful for all that do reviews of products, the info is great. I just can't stand how most just pan these releases based on the fact of which cards they are replacing. 4070 ti to 4070 ti super. Ignoring the fact that most of us do not buy $500+ graphics card at every release. I bought in 2020 a 2070 super, I am super excited at the increases I will get on the 4070 ti super in my system. Compare how Cyberpunk runs 2070 vs this card? Advise if this is a good time to make that upgrade etc. I think it is and am stoked that I choose to wait until the supers were released. I will see you again in another 4 or 5 years when it time to upgrade again.
im in the exact same spot as you, bought a 2070s in 2020 and cant wait for an upgrade. i still manage to hit 120+ with dlss 1440p on games like warzone but most of the time everything on low-mid
@@De4daim 2070 was actually a decent performer, it's only because Nvidia kneecapping it with 8GB instead of putting 16GB already it can still be useful for another 2 years from now (it was the time when Nvidia spokes person drop the "8GB is all you need")
@@yasunakaikumiThat 8gb line was almost as bad as microsoft saying you could just buy an xbox 360 instead of a one if you didn't have a 24/7 internet connection
Yes. in the last ten year or so, i used a rx 580 8gb until it died for the most part and replaced it with a rx 6600 (it was around covid stuff, so i was happy to not use a borrowed 1050 ti anymore). For me supers are a bonus, because i didn't wanted to get a 12gb card, even if its okay and probably for quite a while. Thou still undecided what to buy ti super or maybe an xtx. But kinda excited to upgrade from 1080p anyhow, thou fps tax seems harsh.
Same here. I would advice a 4070S or wait until 5070 is released, which will probably have 16 GB Vram without 200$ surplus.
I’m rocking a 980 ti and still happy. But eh, I’m on pcsx2 at the moment.
Had this card since 2017. I’m a dinosaur.
Love the dradis reference...... I miss the BSG 2004 universe..... so say we all...
SO SAY WE ALL!!
SO SAY WE ALL
Not just a reference, they went the extra mile and made a graphic.
side-lit Rich in a hoodie makes his transition to Sith Lord ever more obvious.
Cudos on the Battlestar Galactice Dradis reference!
Love to see a Battlestar Galactica reference. Great review. So say we all!
Guys I got myself rtx 4070 super which has coil whine. How does one live with that? Store can't get it back since it isn't a defect
If i were you I'd try undervolting the GPU because it can potentially minimise or totally eliminate coil whine, along with bringing other benefits like less heat and power usage at a negligible decrease in performance.
I can't believe this didn't end with "unless you're watching this in the future where you can find out right now, but in the here and now, that's all there is from me."
Thanks, would have been nice to see more 4K results though, just like you said the difference introduced by the wider bus is probably more noticeable there, so I don't understand the heavy focus on 1440P.
Because you can go to the Eurogamer article and see all of that if you want.
this is not a 4k card and if you're buying it for that you'll be disappointed.
@@Liq38
Welp, who says so? I've seen this card hitting 200-300 FPS territory in some titles from the handpicked gamplays Richard presented to us.
It's probably not a 4K pathtracing card (in fact it's bold to call any GPU that) but for raster these details would have been interesting.
I know this channel is mostly focused on showcasing RT workloads but if the 3090 was marketed as a 8k card I don't see suddenly 3 years later a newer and stronger GPU how could be called a 1440P one, hehe. I just call BS on the 1440P aspect.
Also replying to the other comment, I could for sure, but I've never did yet, hence I've watched hundreds of DF videos. I'm not here to get redirected.
People use to pretend that everyone is always interested in the most demanding titles, but the truth is the ones playing Alan Wake 2 with PT enabled is probably the minority by far. I just don't get this kind of mindset. If you play a game from 2-3 years ago, using high settings at 4K suddenly doesn't feel like an unachievable feat..
@@H4GRlD this card ain't hitting above 100 fps in any 4k games at ultra settings with raytracing etc. I even have a hard time calling the 4080 a 4k card. The 7900XTX without raytracing and the 4090 are the only 2 real 4k cards we have if you want above 100fps or any type of futureproofing
@@Liq38I'm definitely not talking about future proofing, but I would gladly play newer AAA titles at 60-80FPS native at 4K, so having 100+ with DLSS Q.
We probably just have different standards.
If a card can play locked 60 at native 4K I wouldn't call it a 1440P GPU because it won't go up to 144Hz..
It sounds like a bit of an elitist mindset.
To go to even crazier claims, PS5 and Xbox are probably pushing 4K in their marketing slides and I don't think I have to introduce their performance levels to you. 😅
(I'm not trolling you with saying current gen consoles are capable of running games at 4K, but this GPU has like 2-3 times the horsepower compared to them)
What I'm trying to say in the end, is that seeing a potential 20% uplift at 4K because of the wider bus and memory bandwidth is most definitely a much more exciting topic than seeing 3-8% difference in 1440P..
All they had to do was raise the cache, but they don't want to do that because it would put it way too close to the performance of the vanilla 4080.
They have produced a limited run of the 4070 Ti Super series and that is why there is no founders edition. They are sitting on shelves too after the lackluster reviews. They want to upsell you to the 4080 Super.
Gap between the 4080 and 4070 SuperTI® (where the 4070 TISU seems to be underperforming it's specs) might be down to TDP and thermal limits. The same TDP as the plain TI might not be enough power to drive AD103 and is leaving it starved. (I read somewhere that newer Nvidia chips can disable entire SMs for power saving). So the extra shaders might not be getting utilized in titles that reach the TDP limits.
Its probably due to 48mb cache (same as 4070s/ti) as someone mentioned in other comment. Clock seems to stay at about 2700mhz so similar to other 40xx gpus.
Edit: Shutting down SMs probably happens in idle not during load. Power throotling only causes core clock to drop, which seems to not be the case.
Another great DF video, great information as always. What screen is that behind you? Is it your main display for work and play?
It's one of the LG OLED TV screens. I think it's a 48" CX but I could be mistaken. You can't go wrong with the LG OLED C series but now that QD OLED 4K 240hz monitors are a thing you should look into one of those if you want the best.
I really hope Nvidia gets their act together. Hoping to upgrade by the time the 6000 series comes out. If prices are still whack I’ll have to hold onto my 4070 until 7000.
By then TMSC will be charging 4x the price per wafer, it’s not going to stop.
@@harryarmstrong5728 Gaming dies at that point. Something has to give. The economy or GPU prices.
That will never happen
Youll be holding onto that 4070 for a long time then because Nvidia are AI focused now more than every it's where the money is
@@David-nd4to The data show that they were charging approx $6k USD per wafer at 10 nm and projected $20k for 3nm. I was being a bit facetious, but that is four generations and a jump of 333%. So, not all that farfetched.
Am I misunderstanding your intro? The 4070Ti non-super has dual encoders. Just double checked on Nvidia's website too.
Why wouldn't you use 4K DLSS performance over 1800P DLSS Balanced? It should be about the same base resolution. I'm kinda confused here. Sounds like if you have a 4K monitor and are upscaling it to a non-native resolution, you wouldn't get as good of an image.
4K DLSS has a considerably larger DLSS performance hit versus 1800p DLSS. The DLSS performance hit -- yes, DLSS has its own performance cost -- is essentially fixed, and based on the *output* resolution, not the input resolution. While your render frametime will vary, using DLSS (or FSR, or XeSS) tacks on an extra few milliseconds to each frame. This can ultimately limit your maximum performance as the performance cost of doing DLSS at 4K is both fixed and significant (can be on the order of ~6ms on RTX 3000 GPUs, closer to 4ms on RTX 4080).
This is, by the way, the reason that DLSS doesn't implement an "Ultra Quality" preset in most games-the DLSS "Quality" preset is only 44% resolution, a huge cut because you HAVE to make that much of a cut in order for DLSS to be consistently worth it.
@@azazelleblack Thank you so much for your response, this makes so much more sense now. I was always wanting to ask why DLSS didn't offer an Ultra Quality Preset, so this explanation makes it make sense. Thank you :)
@@azazelleblack Huh? DLSS quality mode is 66.6 resolution scale.
@@Phil_529 Nope! It's 66.6% linear resolution scale, but your monitor is a plane, not a line. 66.6% across both linear directions results in 44% (okay, 43.5%) resolution.
@@azazelleblack Ah
Let's take a moment to appreciate DFs video titles - an accurate summary instead of clickbait!
Why isn't there the exact model in the HUD which card got tested? The MSI Ventus is underperforming due to faulty power measurment.
The ASUS got tested - the reason the video is a day late is because Rich had to wait for the ASUS to arrive.
did they fix the performance issue? My Msi Ventus 4070ti super just arrived should i return it and wait for 4080 super? I honestly just play fortnite and cod both at 1080p low graphics. I have a 7800x3d would a better graphics card make a difference on low graphics and a cpu bound game like fortnite? thank you
@@moftnn You can apply the VBIOS update yourself
They basically just bumped RTX 4070 TI to 16 Gig of Memory and not much more. Saw some benchmarks were on most Triple AAA Titles you will see 3 - 5 FPS Increase.
I'm only interested in the 4080 Super, but only if it can actually be purchased for $1k.
i dont know if 16gb of ram is future proof
Just depends on what 4080 super ur trying to get I seen at Best Buy they display it on there page for 1300 and that’s the strix version
@@MetalDeathHead u drunk or smth lol for games it's plenty, heck 12gb is enough for anything that's out there at 4k
You’re not gonna be able to buy that card for $1k lol.
@@NorthsideChamps16 even a grand is a really shitty value , Nvidia simps
That Billboard at 4:43 Though Lol
That's Cyberpunk for ya
4:41
I hear my EVGA 3080 FTW talking to me: " Dude, give it up. You are still good to go with me"
Well dang. Just ordered this yesterday
It's good card. Cheapest new NVIDIA with 16GB. I will buy this too. Plenty room for future proofing with all the frame generators going on.
Exactly this. @@autumn_rain
That fracking BSG reference 😂
it doesnt make sense how the bigger die and 700+ more cuda cores only end up with 5% uplift. nvdia is definitely holding back the performance of the ti super by not giving it enough TDP to leave room for 4080
I think it's the l2 cache. It has the same l2 cache as the 4070 vanilla and 4070 super. It should have the l2 cache of the 4080 as both are on AD103.
is there any possibility to replace 4070 ti super bios to 4080??
Honestly, I've not been impressed with any gpu from this gen, either from AMD or Nvidia.
The gpu's are fine, but the pricing of them is crazy, so much so, that the real highlight of this gen is the last gen, that's quite telling considering how well the last gen keeps selling.
Seriously Intel, with ARC 2, there's a massive opening to steal market share from both AMD and Nvidia, especially in the low to mid-end, which is the vast bulk of market share, and all Intel has to do is what AMD and Nvidia don't want to do, be more aggressive on pricing.
I kinda feel sorry for AMD, because if Intel does get its act together in the dgpu, they probably will be more aggressive because they don't want to play second fiddle to Nvidia, and unfortunately for AMD, they are the ones that will likely get squeezed from top to bottom, because AMD doesn't have the market share or mind share which will make them a far easier target for Intel.
AMD does have good gpu's, but they are priced in such a way that are a little cheaper than Nvidia's line-up, but because Nvidia's line-up is better and they have the mindshare, AMD isn't gaining any market share, and they never will unless they either have a better product then what Nvidia is offering or they are more aggressive on the pricing.
AMD were more aggressive in the early days of Ryzen on performance and price, and it worked, they started to gain market share as well as mind share, they've not done any of that on the gpu market and it's market share has been in decline ever since, Nvidia must be laughing at AMD for more or less giving the market to Nvidia, and Intel probably can't believe it's luck that there is such a massive opening in the dgpu market for them to take advantage off, especially on pricing.
Stop whining. Nvidia isn't responsible for inflation. 1 in 10 gamers bought an rtx40 card BEFORE this refresh, so the pricing obviously isn't as bad as you claim.
Last gen will literally always be better value than current-gen by definition bro... otherwise last gen wouldn't sell at all. Obviously they'll lower the price until it's compelling for value buyers.
@@Wobbothe3rd inflation is not 60%/70% , the classic its all inflation what aload of bollox Nv simp
@@Wobbothe3rd Nvidia is responsible. The 1080 Ti was priced at 699; The 2080 Ti was priced at 999; The 3080 Ti was priced at 1199... in 4 years Nvidia just doubled the MSRP of their products, while the cumulative rate of inflation of that same period is 13%. "The more you buy, the more you save".
The only "good" card in my opinion is 7800 for its price its really good, but the 6800 basically matches it. Sooo
at this prices higher midrange gpus are now a luxury
It's midrange for its generation. But It's still a high-end card overall. It's like expecting a mid range car that comes out in 2024 to cost the same as a midrange car from 2008.
RTX4080 Ti Super would be a best seller at $899.99!
Nah if there will be a 4080 ti super it would be $1199 like the original 4080, since the 4080 super is $999.
1800p on 4k? Does that even look good since it is not native?
How do you play at 1800p on pc ? I have a 4k monitor but i would like to try and see how much of a difference there is when playing at 1800p
DLSS already does this by downscaling resolution...
Here in Australia we have some crazy pricing. 4070 is ~900 aud, 4070 super is 1119 msrp, 4070 ti is ~1150, 4070 ti super is 1499 msrp, 4080 is ~1600, and 4080 super is 1870 msrp. 4090 is over 3k.
50% higher price for 10% more frames :DD
even worse in Japan.. add another 10-15% on top of that.. pretty sure anything non-japanese is slug a huge import tax to discourage buyers to purchase non-japanese products.. unfortunately they dont make a GPU and this reflects everything here.. rip off country for gaming period.
Maybe it will stabilize? Here, they kinda gotten cheaper somewhat since release. It was nice to see.
What happens is you push the power limit higher?
This renamed 4075 and releasing at £500 would have made it this years 1080ti that was an awesome card at the time although much more expensive and still hanging in there today. Anyway the pricing has become silly, grab a 6700xt and hang out a few years. Everything higher than a 6650xt or 6700xt for the average gamer is just burning money for something you have no idea how to get maximum use from and the users that edit/stream/play 4k ultra settings already have the money to burn for a 7900xt or 4080/4090 so this card is not nearly in the right price range for what it is.
scalpers would have gotten them all and they would be double
how do you get the 1800p resolution?
You didn't compare the card to the 4070 ti at 4k meaning you basically didn't look at any possible performance benefits it had. A little dissapointed in this review.
I think he did this on purpose. This card is simply not fast enough to offer good 4K experience. 4080 is a bare minimum for 4K gaming these days.
I also agree. 4K should be the scenario where the difference between AD104 and 103 shines the most.
It just seems like DF is pushing the path traced (and heavy RT) titles where indeed 4K is not an option for this GPU.
I'm fairly certain that for most of the gamers out there this would be a perfectly adequate 4K gaming pc part.
Just like what we could see from the Forza benchmark ~300FPS at 1440P..
Yeah this is a 1440P GPU 😅 People are a bit out of touch nowadays..
@@stangamer1151this card could easily do 4k60 with optimized settings on even the most demanding games
@@harrygeoffrion4520 If by "optimized settings" you mean low-medium settings + DLSS Quality, I could agree with you. Though, I would not call this a great gaming experience.
Great video, dull question how to you manage to get all benchmark of each card on one screen..
Different videos merged into one?
I have a 4070ti super. The monitor is LG 65" Oled evo, 4k 120hz. Cod Warzon running 120fps. The game settings are 4k and it runs almost with the maximum game settings, I am satisfied.
does anyone think that more driver updates will help out the card a bit in the future?
Not much, nvidia cards aren't known for big performance uplifts through driver updates, that's more amd stuff
You mentioned you were using 1800p res, and used dlss performance over that. How did you set 1800p res? I tried using CRU but it doesn’t work for me, and for some reason monitor hz is only 59.99something hz inside CRU.
This is the best video on the RTX 4070ti super. Thank you very much for your help. Also thank you very much for all the work you've done on this video. It is much appreciated
Solid review. Where I am the price for the 4070 Ti and the Ti Super are almost identical. Its a no brainer for me as I was going to get the 4070 Ti anyway.
Honestly the performance of the 4070ti super might not be the best but it has higher memory bandwidth and more vram, trust me vram is going to make a whole lot of difference in the future, there's a reason why the 4070ti is being discontinued
@@AssassinIsAfkthe Main reason is probably because what would Nvidia price the 4070ti at if the super is being sold at the same price. Can’t drop the price or it’ll cannibalise both the 4070 super and the ti super sales.
The 70 Ti Super was always gonna be the card that made the least sense in the new stack imo. Really confused me when I saw a lot of people acting like it was gonna be the one to buy.
Just save the money on a 70 Super and get really similar performance, or spend the extra on an 80 Super for a massive performance jump.
The 25% extra Vram is why people would get the TI super over the 70super. If you are type of consumer to only upgrade every 4-5 years then the 16 GB over 12GB will be a big deal 4 years down the road
Getting this card for machine learning... Any thoughts?
2 years without GPU... I can wait one more.
This seems like a better value upgrade to me than the 4070 Super. That GPU costs 10% more than the 4070 for 15% more performance. 5% more FPS/$. Here you're getting 8% more FPS per dollar, and 4 GB more VRAM.
I have no idea RTX 3090 performs lower than non-90, 4000 series RTX card; I thought that beast of GPU with 24GB memory could hold for like another 4 years or something, but nope. Good thing I don't spend on it and just happy with my 3080 for now.
It's really only better than the 3080 when pushing higher resolutions, the 3080 becomes unplayable much faster then.
Or in non-gaming scenarios. I wish we would've seen the same trend this gen.
is it worth moving up from a 2040 super to 4070 super?
4070ti has dual encoders too. the cheapest in the stack to have dual. specifically why i chose it.
Could driver updates make a meaningful difference with this card?
I know you don’t normally do overclocking. But since the RTX 4070 Ti Super is on AD103. Is it possible to overclock it to be closer to a RTX 4080? Would be interesting to test.
the 800 pricepont is in such a weird spot. Better to just get the 4080 super for 999 for a much better card. Especially now that the 4090 had its price increased
Seems like we will have to wait another gen before upgrading boys.
I have a 2070 super. This is a massive jump for me.
All of you asking for the prices to drop its not going to happen. Nvidia has clearly rebranded itself to “pay a price for premium” and they got the price to performace exactly where they want it. 1k for 4080 and tiers follow below. They obviously have data showing these prices are right on the line to where people will still buy yet complain. None of you normies understand this so youll just complain or buy it.
I'm watching this from the future. I'm not too distant though, only 7hours in the future and 4080s is not out yet. Anyone from the right future?
I haven't looked into it much but is there something you are using to push the 1800p resolution in games? is it a manual adjustment in the specific game ini's
you are using? or is this a custom resolution in the nvidia settings?
You can use DLSSTweaks to set custom DLSS base resolutions. Either that or setup a custom resolution in the Nvidia control panel.
Honestly, I’m waiting for RTX 5090 Ti Ultra Pro Max in partnership with Apple edition.
No crysis 3 any more ? 😢
How does this compare to 7900 XTX? They are around the same price(within 80-100). Where I live.
will 4070ti super work perfectly with i5 13500?
Thanks for 1800p figures, i use it.
didnt know about the 1800p hack. thank you for your knowledge good sir. subscribed.
You could also make a 3840x1620 custom resolution to claw back performance and play at a 21:9 ratio. Makes it look like a movie and with OLED the black bars aren't really an issue.
whats the FPS increase from 3840x2160 to 3840x1620 in your experience? is it a noticable difference? @@Phil_529
why use balanced preset for dlss at 1440p?...
Keeping my 3080Ti for now. I will have to tey out 1800p since im playing at 4K
Still hanging on to my 1080ti. I know.....I'm so far behind. The 5000 series is when I'll finally get back into it and do a new top to bottom pc build.
Still better than the 1070 I'm sitting on...
I've thought about upgrading for a while now, but if i get a new card i might as well build a new PC and that's gonna cost like 2000€. So i said f it and bought a steam deck instead and I'm really happy with it. Because f nvidia...
@Shinkajo yea I hear ya. I probably would have upgraded in some form by now but prices are ridiculous.
@@Shinkajo Still better than the 1060 I've had since 2017 lol
@@lasarousi i grieve for you
@@heebs9728 i was waiting for sanity to prevail and the prices to come down to normal from the covid/crypto boom, but we all know how that went. I'm still waiting. I can afford a 4070/4070ti but i don't like getting fleeced. Here is Sweden the cheapest 4070ti is 1000$. It's just not reasonable to me, to put so much money on one component, even if i have the money.
I am going from the 2000 series to a 4070 Ti Super. So overall I was looking less at how it compares to previous cards (though still relevant) and more at how it fills the space between the 4070 and 4080. Everything I’m seeing makes the 4070 Ti Super feel pretty good midway between the $600 and $1000. Where the 4070 Super starts to strain a bit at top end 1440p path tracing on games like AW2, the Ti Super can handle it comfortably and smoothly. That extra 10-15fps average, and keeping the lows in the mid-50s instead of the 40s really is something you can feel. And because I also output to a 4k TV for couch play, having something that can more comfortably handle high settings with smooth frames with those top quality games (again AW2 being a fave of mine, and one I definitely want to see at its best) is a big deal.
I think the Ti Super may be a bit more niche in who it’s for, as most players are probably comfortable with high end 1440p and aren’t as worried about the maxed out path tracing that only a few games have, or they are leaning heavier into 4k gaming and want to invest more into really getting the most out of it. But as someone looking for uncompromising 1440p gaming and high performing 4k without really going in heavy on the 4k? It feels like a great option. Still waiting for mine to arrive and hope I’m right about it based on my consumer research.
No bespoke today? 😢
This card REALLY should have been $750.
i think the new super card is TGP (power) limited
I just upgraded to the 4070 ti super, a perfect match to my ryzen 7 7800x3d. Hopefully I won't need to upgrade until the 60 series cards arrive.
GO for one endocrinologist Doctor! And ask him for make a Thyroid checkup!
I'll just wait for the Egregious model.
Mm, that has always bothered me, all those DP ports and only a single HDMI, So very grateful for those few models/brands that include an extra HDMI (yes I know you can usually use an adapter or a DP -> HDMI Cable, still a hassle)
No, no. You're wrong. No one hoped it would be a game changer, cmon now...
“Quote unquote ‘drop new videos’” 😂
Had to RMA my 7900xt for hot spot issues. Think I’m gonna get 4070super for my second pc that I hook to tv. Will keep 7900xt in my main rig once it comes back but I really want nvidia option cuz dls is really far ahead of fsr. I mean Allen wake looks like shit on any amd card.
Yeah in the age of upscaling FSR2 simply isn't good enough. XeSS looks better but runs a bit worse.
@@Phil_529 I am between deciding between card and have not much experience with them so far... but the new afmf frame generation turning on/off by motion is what baffles me. Like i rather not have it then, fps fluctuating all over the place. I wonder what they are thinking, its not good like this. What the end goal here? or this is it?
So I guess I’ll keep my 4070 Ti👍
have to wait on that dang ol' battlemage, honestly it will fit my build better since I want my pc to be hybrid caster/melee
Intel needs to hurry up and announce its existence at least... If that q2 2024 release date is real we need to at least have specs out in the wild..
Don't expect a high tier Intel card. AMD are not making a high tier RDNA4 card either. Nvidia won't launch much this year after the Super cards because no competition.
@Mopantsu Its not so much a higher tier card we are waiting for but a better value one, if they can push out a 4070 ti super or 4070 super equivalent card from around 500-650 we have a winner. A 4080 class would be a dream, but more than welcome.
The performance gap between 4090 and the rest of the cards is simply too large, especially for those ridiculous prices. 4070 tie super is pretty much exact half of 4090 for half the price.
Which means that those super cards are still priced as halo class products.
Yep, many reviews have pointed out that the differences between the Super and non-S is mediocre at best in most high demanding games !!
To me it lOOks very much clear WHY Ngreedia decided to replace the 4070ti with the Ti-super model ..
They just KNOW very well they wouldn't sell the more expensive Ti-super (atm..) with pretty much the same 1440p performance as the non-Ti. The Sly Devils 😈
My guess is they really need to sell the AD103 dies to gamers and hey while they're at it here is this beefed up version of the same die and oh the extra stuff that didn't quite make the cut ;here you go too!' IMHO
@@krys0ll218 Well, i have my eye on either the 4070 Super , 4070Ti and 4070Ti Super ... Because i need a better card for AI / ML projects. And the amount of Tensor Cores helps allot in that regard.
But i sure will keep an closer eye to the price evolution in the coming weeks and months..
I wish the mining boom would have never happened. price to performance from nvidia is just garbage now. Going to be the same shit next gen, $3000.00 5090 is going to be the only bang for buck since nvidia is going to trash the low-mid tier cards
This is just a way to keep prices high and not give us the price drops we all deserve
So disappointed, really was hoping for much better performance considering the price here in Australia. I’ll past yet an again and wait for the next generation
Will it make my rgb brighter? I heard that's how you get 5,000fps...
If extra VRAM is great then why doesn't it equal good performance in real terms?
I think most people including myself looked at the specs and thought that card will get to within 5% to a 4080, now that’s it’s out, it’s hard to pinpoint where it’s being held back.
Is it the TDP limit
Is it the lower L2 cache
Or both of those. It’s clocked pretty well and shader count isn’t that far off.
I suppose you could use a strix and up the power to try test the tdp but tbh, I would buy a cheaper version of a 4080 or 4080s before getting a strix. That that’s a choice for everyone to make themselves. Good video as always DF ty.
What on earth made you think it would be within 5% of the 80? The Cuda cores for starters are cut down by a little over 14%....they you have memory bandwidth which is cut down by around 7% and the l2 cache is cut down from 64mb down to 48mb. Even just looking at the Cuda cores which were leaked awhile ago it would be at best 14% off the 4080 lol you only have yourself to blame for thinking that. Not cure why the card was so hyped when most knew how cut down the chip was. It does performa slightly worse than expected in some games, probably due to the more limited l2 cache. Why would they have it so close to what the 4080 super is going to be ? Lol 4080 super only has a little over 6% bump in cuda cores. So at the very best....that's a 6% jump over the original. More likely to be closer to 3-4% gain. It would make no sense, nvidia is a greedy company. They're not here to please us, just extract as much money as they can from us lol
@@PCgamingbenchmarktime i thought they might overclock the snot out of it
@nathanmccormack6549 even if they did it would need over 3000mhz to be within 5% I'd guess lol. Nvidia is pretty good at disappointing people this gen. Didn't help that we had people claiming it was close to the 4080 when they should have known better. Probably just click bait lol
I think it's gimped by the l2 cache.
@MisterTonyG that, the less bandwidth.....and most importantly and most obviously. The 14% reduction in cuda cores lol dead give-away