@@quantumchief Well my first thought is to use it to make inset thrusters flush with ships, or maybe even hide them altogether if these blocks don't take thrust damage due to their lack of collision.
I wonder if one could use this with advanced rotors somehow to create a conveyor system for spaced armor, you know these neat looking angled ship armors on hinges overlaping armors sections below. Only issue i had with those is that you weren't able to funnel conveyos through. Then again, wasn't there an update a while back that made hinges able to be part of the conveyor network. Haven't played for a while .. .
Thank you for taking the time to show how you built these! I've watched some of your other videos a dozen times and still couldn't quite figure it out. This was perfect!
Fantastic work you've done and a great instructional video, only recommendation I have is to give us a short clip of the suspension in action at the start of the video so we can see the glory of what is to come instead of being slightly confused at first.
Love the way your mind works. As a father of 2 autistic boys (boys that are in their mid-20's), I've learned that everyone's minds work uniquely! Embrace your unique way your mind works! I can't wait to make a killer rover with your awesome suspension in it!
Thanks I appreciate the complement, I love this game and i love what challenges i can give on myself. I got no plan on stopping. If you make anything out of the suspension you should join my discord. would love to see what you make
My biggest issue when trying to replicate your design from the first video before this is that once I put any weight up on the rover, it's difficult to keep it from having issues with lateral roll. The rovers I built on stream tended to roll so hard during turns that it would want to flip and also at speed it would tend to pull left or right. Worked amazing going over rough terrian.
yea, the suspension designs are good for the off-road capabilities however at speed they are questionable, If you saw right at the end of the video i showed a new suspension design. it has almost no issues with rolling whilst still offering good suspension.
@@quantumchief I did see that. Looks promising. Any luck with dealing with the sway. Back to the complex suspension...I think I'm going to try an idea of putting all the axel rotors on a group and locking them when moving at speed, and unlocking them to deal with terrain. We'll see how that goes on today's stream.
@@quantumchief So, I decided to put all the rotors for the axels in a group. Locking them when on even ground works perfect for fixing the stability at speed. Unlock them for terrain issues. Now if there was just an easy way to force rotors to 0 out without having to run additional scripts, but as long as you're close to flat it fixes all my pulling and rolling issues. I flirted with the idea of switching the last two blocks on the armature to merge blocks but we're already tempting klang as it is with this design!
your video really inspired me to use and experiment with custom suspension! so thanks mate! but what I noticed that with the angled suspension is that if you hit a slope at an akward angle and with some speed it flings the creation, kinda funny but would be devastating in a survival game
So, tried using some of these ideas to work on my own suspension. First, I tried using the trick to attach a rotor head to a suspension, then attach a second suspension to that to get more travel distance. And while the rotor head does attach to the suspension just fine, the moment I try to attach a second suspension to the same subgrid anywhere, one of them seems to separate from it's rotor head and moves to face the other suspension, acting like it's stuck to the same rotor head almost. Next I tried using a double boom-arm using hinges, with a 1x1 suspension on top of them to act as a spring. And while this works to an extent, it ends up being too weak and too fragile to support any real weight. The least little impact seems to destroy it, even when using heavy armor. Not sure what I'm doing wrong, but any suspension I try just ends up being too fragile to be useful.
11:47 so could u explain how yours work but mine doesn't, i cooy that 3 block wide one put it on a grid with power wheels aren't moving or turning but if i put a gyro on i can make it do wheelies. Starting to think rovers are pointless in se since if they cant bend or work in creative survival is pointless
For anyone on console there is a workaround of using the overrides in the hot bar but that is the only workaround unless you are on a server that has scripts turned on
For the 3 wide design it looks like the design is very different. I’m not sure how to explain it tho. I tried recreating it and it doesn’t work. My one wide works fine. It almost looks like the original concept of connecting the two rotors isn’t the case with the wider one. It looks like one rotor is connected to the “hinged” arm and the other rotor connects to the wheels. Am I wrong? Edit: I tried Messing around and did just one rotor, put half slabs under the 1x1 wheels, and lowered the 1x1 wheels until the touched the slabs. Seems to work now
I used this to make a rover for a race, but I forgot that multiplayer games don't like complex things and the wheels used in the suspension just phased through the blocks and locked up the whole thing, so now I had to replace the whole rig with a normal wheel base XD. Great for solo though
Try looking on the steam workshop for a blueprint called " Soggy MK5 custom suspension" it uses a very similar suspension design that he has but it's using larger wheels and may not have the clipping issue..
While you explained the how perfectly, the why is a bit elusive to me. I haven't built any suspensions myself sofar and while i get that these usually are to absorb impact, i wonder what the rotors are doing here. Is it to keep the chasis level to the center of gravity?
@@quantumchiefgot it, thx for the quick response. Have you seen though these suspensions which would keept the chasis level with the center of gravity? Basicly you could walk forth and back on the rover without ever noticing that you traverse rough terrain. I guess this could be merged with that. ua-cam.com/video/UKWh4xzQPcE/v-deo.html this was the suspension system i ment
@@quantumchief can't one get the same effect or a similar effect without scripts? I mean if you have a balanced scale to all axis, wouldn't that then lead to being level to the center of gravity?
@@kinngrimmScripps are required because the wheels are on a subgrid not part of the main grid meaning if you get in the cockpit and try to turn the wheels left or right or even hit forward or backwards nothing will happen. If you want to do this without scripts you need to set up the wheels on the subgrid to a group and then use the group overrides
I'm trying to understand the actual benefit of a custom suspensions over a regular one. I've built a couple of different variations of custom suspensions including the ones here. The main issue is when you add more weight to the vehicle it puts more pressure on the hinges, pistons, and rotors which requires more torque to counter which can start clanging issues. Also, you need a script to manage the subgrid wheels, and some of them like DriverAssist require you to put a remote control on each of the wheels.
The problem was the where the rotor heads are on the suspension acts like free rotors, meaning the wheels could slide, side to side. I have since fixed this issue
Have you tried this with large grid? when i try to recreate the first suspension on a large grid i cant seem to get enough propulsion to go fast than 3 m/s even after adding some large atmo engines just to test. not sure what im doing wrong.
@@quantumchief Thanks for the reply, I managed to get it working after blueprinting and pasting in a new save, I must have been getting some weird interaction with the terrain all is good now, thanks for the great work!
The best way i would recommend you try build it is first in creative where you have no resource requirements. the other thing i will say is build it down from the hinge and rotors, you can use them to angle the suspension when building to fit blocks better
my merge blocks wont let me do this and blink yellow and red. no matter how many times i headbutt it. xD iv resorted to building a utility ship with a magnetic plate on the front to help attach things now. how are u able to attach grids like this with merge blocks?
I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong or the game doesn't allow me to do this anymore however, trying to build this in survival mode is a lot more difficult #1 because to move the rotors you have to turn one one way and turn the other in the opposite direction because they are mirrored. #2 when you turn the rotors to place the 1x1 suspension, there still isn't enough clearance for the wheel to spawn. I have maxed the rotors turned all the way to where I can't turn them anymore because it's hitting the 5x5 suspension and it still won't let me place the wheel. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, either way, cool build and thanks. I'm still a beginner as well, still learning.
there was a time when have your wheels at an angle like that made your vehicle not drive like only the bottom of the wheel moves the vehicle and the bottom of the wheels not touching the ground so it wouldnt go very well
@quantumchief i believe they fixed what i mentioned, it was like the bottom plane of your wheel was the only part of the wheel that would move you so if you put your suspension on an angle it would put the front or back of the tread on the ground instead of the bottom and it wouldnt move
Keen please. for goodness sakes. some of this should have been in the base game with the planets update. edit: what i mean here is sub grid control should not require a script.
Most of the guide is great, but the 3x3 extension part is very poorly explained. I can't figure out what you did with it. Rest of the guide is great though. I build a really nice looking rover base with your smaller design, and it absolutely slaps. Def gave you a like and sub, ty.
since you are already using one script, why not add one more? there is a script called Rotor Torsion Spring that turns rotors and hinges into suspension like objects based on the settings you give it.
This no longer works on PC space engineers. I tried following this tutorial step by step but it's rubbish. It doesn't work. you cannot place blocks where the tutorial tells you example at 5:59 where the tutorial tells you to put the 1x11 wheel suspension so you go to do that but the wheel cannot be placed. FIX THIS
This is so friggin cool dude, I never even thought about using suspension like that until now and now my mind is racing
The trick with attaching the rotor head to a suspension and having blocks phase through each other without Clang is the best thing I have ever seen
Yea, it’s quite cool, I’m sure there are 100s of uses for it
@@quantumchief Well my first thought is to use it to make inset thrusters flush with ships, or maybe even hide them altogether if these blocks don't take thrust damage due to their lack of collision.
I wonder if one could use this with advanced rotors somehow to create a conveyor system for spaced armor, you know these neat looking angled ship armors on hinges overlaping armors sections below. Only issue i had with those is that you weren't able to funnel conveyos through. Then again, wasn't there an update a while back that made hinges able to be part of the conveyor network. Haven't played for a while .. .
Thank you for taking the time to show how you built these! I've watched some of your other videos a dozen times and still couldn't quite figure it out. This was perfect!
The times you stop to worry about enough clarity for us, im like "you're good man just keep going"
I appreciate it, I just try to ensure everyone can see what I’m doing
@@quantumchief the process at 8:40-8:50 i cant get the wheels to appear, i made sure they're 1x1
@@danny73910 try putting the wheel suspension upside down, the reversing the suspension
@@quantumchief ended up redesigning the narrow one with two rotors to be end arms for the wider one one. essentially making a quad forked 8x8
Fantastic work you've done and a great instructional video, only recommendation I have is to give us a short clip of the suspension in action at the start of the video so we can see the glory of what is to come instead of being slightly confused at first.
Awesome! Very understandable. Well done. 👍
Love the way your mind works. As a father of 2 autistic boys (boys that are in their mid-20's), I've learned that everyone's minds work uniquely! Embrace your unique way your mind works! I can't wait to make a killer rover with your awesome suspension in it!
Thanks I appreciate the complement, I love this game and i love what challenges i can give on myself. I got no plan on stopping. If you make anything out of the suspension you should join my discord. would love to see what you make
Bro, you explained that perfectly. Could we have more videos like this? I'm adding this vid to my SE tutorials Playlist
I’m glad it made sense, I’ll be happy to make more in the future
My biggest issue when trying to replicate your design from the first video before this is that once I put any weight up on the rover, it's difficult to keep it from having issues with lateral roll. The rovers I built on stream tended to roll so hard during turns that it would want to flip and also at speed it would tend to pull left or right. Worked amazing going over rough terrian.
yea, the suspension designs are good for the off-road capabilities however at speed they are questionable, If you saw right at the end of the video i showed a new suspension design. it has almost no issues with rolling whilst still offering good suspension.
@@quantumchief I did see that. Looks promising. Any luck with dealing with the sway.
Back to the complex suspension...I think I'm going to try an idea of putting all the axel rotors on a group and locking them when moving at speed, and unlocking them to deal with terrain. We'll see how that goes on today's stream.
@@quantumchief So, I decided to put all the rotors for the axels in a group. Locking them when on even ground works perfect for fixing the stability at speed. Unlock them for terrain issues. Now if there was just an easy way to force rotors to 0 out without having to run additional scripts, but as long as you're close to flat it fixes all my pulling and rolling issues. I flirted with the idea of switching the last two blocks on the armature to merge blocks but we're already tempting klang as it is with this design!
your video really inspired me to use and experiment with custom suspension! so thanks mate!
but what I noticed that with the angled suspension is that if you hit a slope at an akward angle and with some speed it flings the creation, kinda funny but would be devastating in a survival game
as long as you are not trying to dive over the worst ground possible, the vehicles rarely hit the ground in a way they damage any blocks
So, tried using some of these ideas to work on my own suspension. First, I tried using the trick to attach a rotor head to a suspension, then attach a second suspension to that to get more travel distance. And while the rotor head does attach to the suspension just fine, the moment I try to attach a second suspension to the same subgrid anywhere, one of them seems to separate from it's rotor head and moves to face the other suspension, acting like it's stuck to the same rotor head almost.
Next I tried using a double boom-arm using hinges, with a 1x1 suspension on top of them to act as a spring. And while this works to an extent, it ends up being too weak and too fragile to support any real weight. The least little impact seems to destroy it, even when using heavy armor. Not sure what I'm doing wrong, but any suspension I try just ends up being too fragile to be useful.
Awesome stuff!!! I plan to use it in the future!
Comment for good algorithm vibes! Great vid!
11:47 so could u explain how yours work but mine doesn't, i cooy that 3 block wide one put it on a grid with power wheels aren't moving or turning but if i put a gyro on i can make it do wheelies.
Starting to think rovers are pointless in se since if they cant bend or work in creative survival is pointless
I think wheel suspension has changed its hit box a bit, ill need to make a new video i think to show it off now
For anyone on console there is a workaround of using the overrides in the hot bar but that is the only workaround unless you are on a server that has scripts turned on
For the 3 wide design it looks like the design is very different. I’m not sure how to explain it tho. I tried recreating it and it doesn’t work. My one wide works fine. It almost looks like the original concept of connecting the two rotors isn’t the case with the wider one. It looks like one rotor is connected to the “hinged” arm and the other rotor connects to the wheels. Am I wrong?
Edit: I tried Messing around and did just one rotor, put half slabs under the 1x1 wheels, and lowered the 1x1 wheels until the touched the slabs. Seems to work now
I used this to make a rover for a race, but I forgot that multiplayer games don't like complex things and the wheels used in the suspension just phased through the blocks and locked up the whole thing, so now I had to replace the whole rig with a normal wheel base XD. Great for solo though
yea, i hope one day (or in SE 2 ) they fix the phasing issue
Try looking on the steam workshop for a blueprint called " Soggy MK5 custom suspension" it uses a very similar suspension design that he has but it's using larger wheels and may not have the clipping issue..
While you explained the how perfectly, the why is a bit elusive to me. I haven't built any suspensions myself sofar and while i get that these usually are to absorb impact, i wonder what the rotors are doing here. Is it to keep the chasis level to the center of gravity?
Its to keep the wheels in contact with the floor as much as possible, if the wheels are not on the floor they dont aid in the vehicles movement
@@quantumchiefgot it, thx for the quick response. Have you seen though these suspensions which would keept the chasis level with the center of gravity? Basicly you could walk forth and back on the rover without ever noticing that you traverse rough terrain. I guess this could be merged with that.
ua-cam.com/video/UKWh4xzQPcE/v-deo.html
this was the suspension system i ment
@@kinngrimm yea, i think they use scrips to keep things level. i like to just mess around with cool mechanisms
@@quantumchief can't one get the same effect or a similar effect without scripts? I mean if you have a balanced scale to all axis, wouldn't that then lead to being level to the center of gravity?
@@kinngrimmScripps are required because the wheels are on a subgrid not part of the main grid meaning if you get in the cockpit and try to turn the wheels left or right or even hit forward or backwards nothing will happen.
If you want to do this without scripts you need to set up the wheels on the subgrid to a group and then use the group overrides
24:50 so this trick is not available at steam/PC?
I’m on steam version of SE so it possible on pc, just not sure how feasible it is on console as you need a script
@@quantumchief i still dont understand how to attach rotor head to suspension block at steam, i cant find attach button allow it.
I'm trying to understand the actual benefit of a custom suspensions over a regular one. I've built a couple of different variations of custom suspensions including the ones here. The main issue is when you add more weight to the vehicle it puts more pressure on the hinges, pistons, and rotors which requires more torque to counter which can start clanging issues. Also, you need a script to manage the subgrid wheels, and some of them like DriverAssist require you to put a remote control on each of the wheels.
its more or less just for the fun. one its a challenge to build and 2 when done right its satisfying to watch it as it flexes over the dunes
23:20 solution is you mount it with the back. Classic Half-Truck, no?
The problem was the where the rotor heads are on the suspension acts like free rotors, meaning the wheels could slide, side to side. I have since fixed this issue
Have you tried this with large grid? when i try to recreate the first suspension on a large grid i cant seem to get enough propulsion to go fast than 3 m/s even after adding some large atmo engines just to test. not sure what im doing wrong.
I’ve never personally tried it, but it should still work, make sure you use a subgrid control script
@@quantumchief Thanks for the reply, I managed to get it working after blueprinting and pasting in a new save, I must have been getting some weird interaction with the terrain all is good now, thanks for the great work!
@@Jaxftw glad you liked it. i do have a new video coming out some point soon showing off some new designs
Putting the 1x1 wheel on top of the main wheels' suspension is not working. Is it because of the latest update?
maybe, try putting the suspension block upside down, then change the suspension height
could you show how to attach two suspension's together in survival.
The best way i would recommend you try build it is first in creative where you have no resource requirements. the other thing i will say is build it down from the hinge and rotors, you can use them to angle the suspension when building to fit blocks better
2:35 what are those suspension blocks called? I cannot find them in the game
there the 5x5 wheels but the they are the DLC Version
my merge blocks wont let me do this and blink yellow and red. no matter how many times i headbutt it. xD
iv resorted to building a utility ship with a magnetic plate on the front to help attach things now. how are u able to attach grids like this with merge blocks?
Make sure you have some kind of block you can have ownership of, that way both grids should belong to someone allowing merge blocks to work properly
I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong or the game doesn't allow me to do this anymore however, trying to build this in survival mode is a lot more difficult #1 because to move the rotors you have to turn one one way and turn the other in the opposite direction because they are mirrored. #2 when you turn the rotors to place the 1x1 suspension, there still isn't enough clearance for the wheel to spawn. I have maxed the rotors turned all the way to where I can't turn them anymore because it's hitting the 5x5 suspension and it still won't let me place the wheel. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, either way, cool build and thanks. I'm still a beginner as well, still learning.
In some cases I had to place the wheel suspension first before almost any other blocks after that is done I can refine the design
sadly i cant seem to place the armor plates over the rotors, thing an update broke this
if that is the case that is a shame, ill have to look and see if i can get it to work
there was a time when have your wheels at an angle like that made your vehicle not drive like only the bottom of the wheel moves the vehicle and the bottom of the wheels not touching the ground so it wouldnt go very well
There not 100% perfect but it’s allot better then just vanilla wheel suspension
@quantumchief i believe they fixed what i mentioned, it was like the bottom plane of your wheel was the only part of the wheel that would move you so if you put your suspension on an angle it would put the front or back of the tread on the ground instead of the bottom and it wouldnt move
Couldn't you use automaton AI blocks to control the wheels? Even if it is not perfect you no longer need scripts for those
from my knowledge the automation blocks cant control wheels only gyros and thrusters
Hey amazing build! I build it in mi survival world and I struggle whit the strength Settings ant it looks not so smoothly when I drive over things
it takes a bit to get the exact settings, also low down weight is key
Keen please.
for goodness sakes.
some of this should have been in the base game with the planets update.
edit: what i mean here is sub grid control should not require a script.
Yep, I totally agree, and there should just be a suspension block, where you can attach blocks on each side
Most of the guide is great, but the 3x3 extension part is very poorly explained. I can't figure out what you did with it. Rest of the guide is great though. I build a really nice looking rover base with your smaller design, and it absolutely slaps. Def gave you a like and sub, ty.
Understandable, it wasn’t easy to explain
how to unlock off road wheel suspension
its part of the Wasteland DLC
since you are already using one script, why not add one more? there is a script called Rotor Torsion Spring that turns rotors and hinges into suspension like objects based on the settings you give it.
For the most part I try and be as vanilla as possible, the one script it mandatory where other ones are extra
When the hell did they make the subscribe button light up when he says subscribe? 😮
For about 2 years now that's been a thing
no matter how many times i place the wheel for the the suspension, it doesnt place the actual wheel
make sure you are using the right size of wheel firstly. and use the hinges and rotors to move the bar out of the way to space each wheel
Очень сильно благодарю за этот урок, мужик, ты гений💪
No problem
i must be an idiot cuz i cant get the rotors to connect to the suspension part.
This no longer works on PC space engineers. I tried following this tutorial step by step but it's rubbish. It doesn't work. you cannot place blocks where the tutorial tells you example at 5:59 where the tutorial tells you to put the 1x11 wheel suspension so you go to do that but the wheel cannot be placed. FIX THIS
Yea, in one of the recent updates they hitbox for wheels and suspension block have changed, ill make a new one soon
It literally works just fine I was able to make it no problem
@@remster5284 the hit boxes of wheels certainly have changed but I’m glad you made it work
@@quantumchief Maybe the one with only one block doesn't, I haven't tried it. The one with three blocks works just fine though
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Hotbar overrides 😊
you cant control the susspention rotation you didnt mention that not a single time
You definitely can control the rotation