The Tiger is very unreliable only 30-40% of the fleet are active at a time the rest is in maintenance. The Aussies are already replacing them cause of high maintenance and cost. Supposedly the new upgrade the French are working on is to fix that but Germany wasnt on board with that one. The H145M is a stopgap until a new system is developed. So Germany will be lacking a dedicated attack helicoper in the near future. The H145M can't fill that role it just dosent have the payload capability.
The Tiger was meant to compete with the AH-64 but the problem for the Tiger is the fact that AH-64 main user is the US Army The US army consistently pushed for more and more upgrades to it as well has been in combat through several conflicts By the time the Tiger starting going to combat, it was 2009 and the AH-64 was established by then Case in point, the Tiger MKIII is the same Longbow capability that the AH-64 has had since the late 90s The same growing pains that the Tiger operators have, the AH-64 and US army already resolved during the 90s and early 2000s Combined with the fact that there over 5000 AH-64 built while their is just 180 Tigers the writing is the wall
I think to some degree its that attack helicopters arguably are becoming obsolete. The next 20 years will see massive (re-) introduction and development of SHORAD systems. And they're gonna be everywhere. If it can kill a major UAV at range, it can kill a helicopter. At the same time, said UAV will pick up some of the attack helicopter's strengths at a much lower cost. A kitted out attack helicopter now approaches the cost of some fighter aircraft. The cost/benefit of an attack helicopter arguably will not be sufficient anymore.
It is not clear that there is much use for attack helicopters in near peer conflict anymore, now even less with massive strengthening of short range air defense against drones is a given -- with most of that working against helicopers, too. This is a safe medium size short term measure and therefore a good decision.
It is more of a late successor to the Bo 105 than to the Tiger. The question is whether the concept of a heavy attack helicopter still makes sense in today's world. The Ukraine war shows quite well that these can also be easily shot down. The H145M is cost-efficient and has good operational readiness. Its modular capabilities make it possible to respond quickly to mission requirements. Which makes it the more sensible solution overall. The German version of the Tiger has always been a flawed one due to its design as a tank destroyer without a nose cannon.
I see it the same way as you, why throw millions of money away when in the end the cheaper helicopter can stay in the air just as long as the expensive one - today even the expensive attack helicopters are shot down just as quickly as a cheap H145M. If the tank destroyer characteristics of the civilian model are just as good, why should you throw extra money out the window unnecessarily?! In addition, the BO 105 shows how successfully and well a civilian helicopter can be used if the tactics are adapted to it.
I also see it this way. It is great that some start to think realistic. The future does not leave much space for a slow moving chopper near any modern enemy.
I think specialized attack helicopters can still be useful in modern conflicts. All helicopters are and always have been vulnerable to ground fire. How ever, the Tiger is mainly useless because it's just a terrible helicopter that never works most of the time.
It was a sensible and very economical decision to purchase this tried-and-tested helicopter instead of a US helicopter or even a new combat helicopter of our own. The concept of the ‘combat helicopter’ has recently suffered noticeably in the Ukraine war, as helicopters are easy to locate and combat. As a liaison and light transport helicopter on its own territory, a helicopter naturally remains indispensable.
Absolute the best decision so the BW will become a useful multipurpose system at first, & not a fancy one situation nonsens again that doesnt fit the soldiers & BW needs.. Its a absolute masterpiece of technoligical capabilitys and it can bring back a workhorse that push up the important flyhours back to normal so that in different situations the BW can become a sustainable self sufficient multiroll unit... P.s. i. the past the BW doesnt had a reliable rescue system for wounded soldier... that was a shame that only the US Blackhawk pilots fixed multible times under live threaten conditions.. Ppl. have to understand this that this system is absolut crucial to bring back the BW on its own feed..
It's not supposed to "replace" the Tiger, though... The Tiger is out for a number of reasons, that's a given. The H145M is just here to fill a capability gap until a more suitable replacement is found. However, seeing how drones are developing, I kinda doubt there will be any real need (and therefore effort) to find a proper replacement any time soon...
That's right. For the price of ONE Leopard 2A8 you can get 2500 FPV drones. What's better? With those you can stop an entire brigade. Unfortunately, our Ministry of Defense is still living in the past. 20 years of "Sleeping Beauty" under Merkel are making themselves felt.
Germany wont have noteworthy capabilities in modern drone warfare any time soon. They lack behind 20 years due to intentional delays of the introduction of weaponized drones thanks to parts of the social-democratic party SPD.
Thats why they bought a relatively cheap and versatile helicopter that could do attack missions, but even if these arent needed anymore, would still be highly useful in other missions.
there are no comments, we go back. From a true multi-role attack helicopter like the Tiger to one that looks like an improved version of the Huey gunships of the 1960s
@@verdebusterAP No not really there is more to that ! They didn t chose cause its cheap ! Not only at least ! The chopper situation is multi facetted if that makes sense to you! There is for one the unsure situation where ever a gunship is still a practical weapon or if it is osolete ! The ukraine war is a good chase where drones have stolen the show of gunships! At the moment the H1145M is only a Placeholder until either a next gen gunship or more likey a drone takes its place ! The other thing is the relaiability issue ! The Tiger which is a good chopper when it works which rarely ever does ! Germany only has 40 of these and they only work 20% of the time 40% if you belive the promises of the MKIII upgrade! A Apache is better of with 75% but as a Placeholder to expensive ! The H145M however does work over 90 % of the time and is cheap enough for the placeholder role ! Given that germany only needs a chopper that kills tank first and formost that is good enough ! For the moment at laest!
@@christianjunghanel6724 The Tiger was meant to compete with the AH-64 but the problem for the Tiger is the fact that AH-64 main user is the US Army The US army has consistently pushed for more and more upgrades to it as well has been in combat through several conflicts The only reason there is not AH-64F is because the US Army is refining its requirements for the next gen gunships By the time the Tiger starting going to combat, it was 2009 and the AH-64 was established by then Case in point, the Tiger MKIII is the same Longbow capability that the AH-64 has had since the late 90s The same growing pains that the Tiger operators have, the AH-64 and US army already resolved during the 90s and early 2000s As for next gen ship I fully expect that the Bell 360 Invictus will the base for it The Invictus has munitions that are stored internally till they are ready for use much like 5th aircraft
@@christianjunghanel6724 Sorry the Germany army right cost is the issue and they simply cant afford the Tiger if Airbus was smart which they are not They would equip the H145M with the mast mount allow it mount a longbow radar or EO/IR/ sensor or copy from the AH-1Z and adopt a stubwing mounted longbow radar There are ways to get the H145M up to the Tiger level Ironically, the US MH-60 would make it easier to do
@@verdebusterAP Well they certainly can t afford a Tiger that only works on sunday if you get my drift! Even a bad one that works is more useful than a good one that don t ! As a placeholder it is good enough for the basics at last and to keep the Pilots certified ! The only issue that im really not happy with is the amount of H145M ! It is not enough of them in my view!
Ukraine shows it. Attack Helicopters dont use their cannons, they use rockets and ATGM. They did not get shot down by rifle fire, they get shot down with Manpads. So do you really need a heavy armored attack helicopter if they didnt used like they should?
If we look at how helicopters are used in Ukraine where they offer support over long distances you do not really need a Tiger or Apache for those engagements. Seeing as the H145M will be equipped with long range Weaponry and new laser guided rockets there is no way these will be used for close range engagements. More like supporting the front line from behind and then use their mobility to resupply quickly. They should also be able to fly low to avoide radar to an extent and maintenance and spare parts should be easier as well. With those aspects in mind it makes kinda sense to order these in higher numbers with long range systems rather than waiting for the next gen helicopters to be developed.
H145M Have more modern feature than the Eurocopter Tiger, But, The amount of armaments it can carry is less than the Eurocopter Tiger, From what I see from the video, it can only carry 2 ATGM, 2 rockets rocket launchers and 2 additional Gun. For the armor, Eurocopter Tiger is better. Overall The H145M is probably one of the most advance versatile helicopter, But because it is a versatile helicopter, I could undestand why it has less firepower and armor than the Eurocopter Tiger.
@@verdebusterAP Its not that they cant afford, its that the decrease of the tigers operational readiness will be so tough in the future that they wont be able to fulfill their tasks in the nato alliance and that the tiger wont be worth the costs, if it will gather more problems with it.
As we see in Ukraine, that attack helicopters might be a thing of the past in future battle fields, it makes sense to have versatile and less armoured helicopters for the remaining tasks, instead of wasting ressources on a partly dying horse.
Don’t know about it replacing the Tiger, two very different machines. If they want a AH then the Apache or Viper would be a better option. The RAF and British Army are purchasing six for use in Cyprus and Brunei.
This is an airbus eurocopter advertisement video - nothing else. The german Luftwaffe was so frustrated with the performance and the maintainability of the "Tiger" that they simply refused to start any modernisation- or mid-life-improvement-programm for this helicopter. And so the Luftwaffe searched a replacement for the "Tiger". What they wanted was something like the "AH 64 D Longbow-Apache" or even better, but the german government made it clear that any new helicopter HAD TO BE an airbus-eurocopter model. And the H145M was in use as a liaison and transport helicopter in german military and police units - so airbus-eurocopter "bolted" some more arms to this helicopter and PRESTO - Luftwaffe had to swallow it as the "ideal" "Tiger-replacement"... - to make things even better for the Luftwaffe, the german government ordered not the 150 + helicopters that the Luftwaffe had determined as their "minimum requirement" to fulfill all of its duties, but only 62 with an option of further 20... But to make things even better, the german government was willing to pay eurocopter for the now 62 + 20 ordered H145M the same amount of money that the originally planned 150 + costed in airbus-eurocopters first offer... Stupid german money at it´s best. The H145M is a stopgap-solution, nothing more. It cant do the jobs it is intended to do, and there will be too few of them to fullfill the operational requirements that the german government and the german military assured NATO to fullfill. The only people happy about the H145M are the people at airbus-eurocopter. Germany again gifted via it´s military the european aircraft industry (nearly completly situated in France!) a lot of money to receive not-suitable choppers in much to few quantities (and secured with this order with a lot of german money a lot of french jobs in France).
yes. youre right. Its fking embarassing.. What we germans (?) or at least our goverments always make clear, how good they are in throwing money around, payed by the tax paying working men (and women). Recently I read some news, that retiring age in china was lifted... to 55 😂. We will be working ourselves straight into our Graves, retiring age like what now? 75? wtf.. no wonder 30% vote for far right parties nowadays
You don't seem to know much about Airbus. The helicopters are produced in Donauwörth, Germany. Not France. Military production of Airbus is also mainly in Germany. Manching, Bayern has the final assembly line of the Eurofighter and a ton of other military production.
Thats nonsence. First, Airbus is a european company, not a french one. Of course the German economy is going to profit from the helicopter. Second, even if the higher price is true, the helicopter is still highly useful to the German military regardless of its costs. 62 helicopters are much better than none at all.
This is a step back to the Bo105. It shows the desaster, the German Tiger is - mainly for technical reasons. Why were the French and the Spanish able, to make the Tiger a sufficient attack helicopter, but the Germans were not?
tbf spanish tigers are ina very serious state of disrepair, everyone has the same problem and its money. spare parts arent ordered and some airframes are cnibalized to repair and keep running other airframes, its shameful
It could be a varsitile addition to the helocopter fleet to fill a gap of a light attack helicopter. Bowever, with a dedicated attack helicopter like a apache or even cobra, its just not going to work. Imho, airbus should learn from what whent wrong with the tiger and build a medium attack helicolter with a nose mounted autogun, able to pepper APCs. 30mm in addition to a coax mounted 7.62mm minigun. Add some amounts for gen 4 anti tank missiles / unguided rockets and this thing would slap.
The German army had huge success with the Boeing 105 helicopter even though it wasn't actually a specially developed combat helicopter. Special tank destroyer tactics were developed with the Bo 105 and these were very successful. I can imagine that this helicopter, together with new tactics, will also be very successful even if it doesn't come close to the capabilities of the Tiger. You can also talk about quantity rather than quality here - for the money of one Tiger you can almost buy two H145Ms. The H145M also has some major advantages over the Tiger that the Tiger couldn't offer, such as troop transport and medical transport. But apart from that, it is stupid to make comparisons here anyway, since the Tiger is a pure attack, i.e. combat helicopter, and the H145M is a multi-role helicopter which originally came from the civil, not specifically military, sector.
@@michaelburggraf2822 Ya right my father was working at the MBB at Ottobrunn near Munich, I have no idea why I was so stupid and wrote Boing even though you are of course right and my father was himself involved in the BO 105 production and was employed in the materials testing laboratory.
In my oppinion it is rediculous to assume that this civil-aviation-offshoot can replace the tiger in its role. I also highly doubt that this helicopter is suited for highly contested airspaces as for example ukraines battlefields, in which even the tiger would probably very fast reach his limits. Way to much glass in highly probable hit areas, very dangerous for the crew.
Ukrain has shown that attack helicopter do not fit the modern days. something to provide nothing more but fire support over your position is the concept of the new h145
The only reason why the Russians can use any attack helicopters at all is because of their overwhelming air superiority. Otherwise attack helicopters are obsolete. I guess we have seen the last generation of manned attack helicopters.
Dedicated attack helicopters are MANPAD fodder in a near peer war as seen in Ukraine. Drones will be used for direct fire support missions and helicopters will be used to ambush mechanized assaults. This helicopter is perfect for that. Smart choice.
Ich finde das es sehr gute Entscheidung war. Kriege sind nicht nur mit beste Waffen geführt, auch cost-efect ist einzurechnen. Die moderne Atak Helikopters wie Tigre oder AH64 sind enorm teuer, benötigen permanente Entwicklung und sind sehr leicht zu zerstören. Es lohnt sich nicht mehr diese einzusetzen. Der H145 der mit Raketen über 10km Reichweite tragen könnte ist vollkommen ausrechend. Kann dabei auch andere Missionen zu not führen und kostet 1/3 oder weniger im vergleich. In nahe Zukunft alle gefährliche Missionen werden so wie so die Dronen übernehmen.
Als Pole kann ich nur sagen, dass der letzte Einkauf der AH64 das schlesteste und blödeste Idee war. Das ist nur ein Retungspaket für den Boeing, der absolut sinnlos und immens teuer war. Deutschland hat das mit H145 viel besser gelöst.
That's a replacement for the BO-105 anti-tank helicopters at best. Though of course 20 years to late and not as many as needed. Which is still great because those were pretty good. But it will never replace the Tiger especially if we're preparing for a new high intensity confrontation with Russian mechanised armies. If they don't want to keep the Tiger in service, fine. Then buy Apaches. But that wouldn't be "cost effective" (aka cheap). Anyway, maybe that's completely wrong in the age of drones and nobody needs an attack helicopter any more. 🤷♂
who needs a multi million dollar chopper anymore ? ... an octocopter strapped with high explosives is way more cost effective and nearly impossible to shoot down .. those days are gone
Are the drones are immune to ECM methods to keep flying to their attack missions? Until independent and trustworthy A.I. used for drone ops are here, then the dedicated human operated gunships are the way to go.
It’s still not a dedicated attack helicopter, but it’ll be good for the light attack role! Germany just needs to invest in a dedicated attack helicopter.
Dedicated attack helicopter are either shot down in large numbers or not used at all out of fear it gets shot down, as the Ukraine war demonstrates. Why would Germany waste billions of euros it desperatly needs for other requirements for a concept that is appearently obsolete?
A real fake step for the Germans. The Tiger wasn't at all a great attack heli (not even a great omnirole heli) full of issues to fix and not so good as his counterparts. Now that the Italians have released that beast of the AW249 Fenice (an UAV mothership with more firepower than an Apache and with Datalink, multidomain warfare systems and an huge data space for future AI applications) they should have chose to buy the Italian Fenice instead to go with this useless thing.
Its is a great civilian and emergency services and police Helicopter. But its no front line combat Helicopter, is there currently any programs in place be item a multi nation project for a European front like Battle Gunship or support Helicopter?
Ridiculous.... you replace a gunship with a civil-aviation based helicopter. What is the point of a helicopter any soldier can shoot down with an assault rifle?
A choice that reflects decades of abandonment by the German political class, which has a myopic view of geopolitics. A country that treats its armed forces as a burden and an unpleasant obligation of its functions that justifies everything in the name of a collective defense that understands Romanian, Portuguese and Greek brigades and battalions will defend the country. Any military enthusiast knows that these helicopters are no substitute for a thoroughbred attack aircraft. A primary error and when there is a need to use it in a real battle situation it will be a resounding failure. I feel sorry for German society that spent decades criticizing and trying to erase the country's history because everything that came from the past was wrong (fascism, that's a mistake) and in this justification it sailed under the umbrella of US defense and always failed to collaborate decently with the collective defense of the alliance. It appears to be a cowardly and opportunistic country. The SPD, Greens and FDP coalition should have suffered such a huge defeat at the polls due to the unpatriotic opinions of its members. That didn't happen. It's losing, but nothing so significant that it can't recover soon. I have the impression that the population is complicit in all the mistakes made by the politicians of this current government. If the US left Germany alone to learn and fight with resources and without decades of abandonment about its responsibility to defend its own country and not outsource its security to others.
It's also true that Germany is suffering a severe crisis, shops are closing as they become increasingly poorer, the Tiger has probably become too expensive. If anything, they lived until the end of their lives given the economic situation
The Tiger is an attack chopper, the H145M is not. I'd say it's an economic decision/settlement more that a replacement.
The Tiger is very unreliable only 30-40% of the fleet are active at a time the rest is in maintenance. The Aussies are already replacing them cause of high maintenance and cost.
Supposedly the new upgrade the French are working on is to fix that but Germany wasnt on board with that one. The H145M is a stopgap until a new system is developed.
So Germany will be lacking a dedicated attack helicoper in the near future. The H145M can't fill that role it just dosent have the payload capability.
The Tiger was meant to compete with the AH-64 but the problem for the Tiger is the fact that AH-64 main user is the US Army
The US army consistently pushed for more and more upgrades to it as well has been in combat through several conflicts
By the time the Tiger starting going to combat, it was 2009 and the AH-64 was established by then
Case in point, the Tiger MKIII is the same Longbow capability that the AH-64 has had since the late 90s
The same growing pains that the Tiger operators have, the AH-64 and US army already resolved during the 90s and early 2000s
Combined with the fact that there over 5000 AH-64 built while their is just 180 Tigers
the writing is the wall
The Tiger without the Canon Was a big failure 🎉
I think to some degree its that attack helicopters arguably are becoming obsolete.
The next 20 years will see massive (re-) introduction and development of SHORAD systems. And they're gonna be everywhere. If it can kill a major UAV at range, it can kill a helicopter.
At the same time, said UAV will pick up some of the attack helicopter's strengths at a much lower cost.
A kitted out attack helicopter now approaches the cost of some fighter aircraft. The cost/benefit of an attack helicopter arguably will not be sufficient anymore.
It is not clear that there is much use for attack helicopters in near peer conflict anymore, now even less with massive strengthening of short range air defense against drones is a given -- with most of that working against helicopers, too. This is a safe medium size short term measure and therefore a good decision.
It is more of a late successor to the Bo 105 than to the Tiger. The question is whether the concept of a heavy attack helicopter still makes sense in today's world. The Ukraine war shows quite well that these can also be easily shot down. The H145M is cost-efficient and has good operational readiness. Its modular capabilities make it possible to respond quickly to mission requirements. Which makes it the more sensible solution overall. The German version of the Tiger has always been a flawed one due to its design as a tank destroyer without a nose cannon.
I see it the same way as you, why throw millions of money away when in the end the cheaper helicopter can stay in the air just as long as the expensive one - today even the expensive attack helicopters are shot down just as quickly as a cheap H145M. If the tank destroyer characteristics of the civilian model are just as good, why should you throw extra money out the window unnecessarily?! In addition, the BO 105 shows how successfully and well a civilian helicopter can be used if the tactics are adapted to it.
I also see it this way. It is great that some start to think realistic. The future does not leave much space for a slow moving chopper near any modern enemy.
I think specialized attack helicopters can still be useful in modern conflicts. All helicopters are and always have been vulnerable to ground fire. How ever, the Tiger is mainly useless because it's just a terrible helicopter that never works most of the time.
It was a sensible and very economical decision to purchase this tried-and-tested helicopter instead of a US helicopter or even a new combat helicopter of our own. The concept of the ‘combat helicopter’ has recently suffered noticeably in the Ukraine war, as helicopters are easy to locate and combat. As a liaison and light transport helicopter on its own territory, a helicopter naturally remains indispensable.
It's funny that the successor of the BO-105P (PAH-1) will now become the successor of the Tiger (PAH-2). Back to the roots.
From One Mistake to the next.
Absolute the best decision so the BW will become a useful multipurpose system at first, & not a fancy one situation nonsens again that doesnt fit the soldiers & BW needs..
Its a absolute masterpiece of technoligical capabilitys and it can bring back a workhorse that push up the important flyhours back to normal so that in different situations the BW can become a sustainable self sufficient multiroll unit...
P.s. i. the past the BW doesnt had a reliable rescue system for wounded soldier... that was a shame that only the US Blackhawk pilots fixed multible times under live threaten conditions..
Ppl. have to understand this that this system is absolut crucial to bring back the BW on its own feed..
It's not supposed to "replace" the Tiger, though...
The Tiger is out for a number of reasons, that's a given. The H145M is just here to fill a capability gap until a more suitable replacement is found.
However, seeing how drones are developing, I kinda doubt there will be any real need (and therefore effort) to find a proper replacement any time soon...
Maybe there is no need or place for manned Attack Helicopters in nearer future because of attack drones...
That's right. For the price of ONE Leopard 2A8 you can get 2500 FPV drones. What's better? With those you can stop an entire brigade. Unfortunately, our Ministry of Defense is still living in the past. 20 years of "Sleeping Beauty" under Merkel are making themselves felt.
as soon the video said international and imagine it was as if Israel is smiling upon us..
Germany wont have noteworthy capabilities in modern drone warfare any time soon. They lack behind 20 years due to intentional delays of the introduction of weaponized drones thanks to parts of the social-democratic party SPD.
News flash, you don't need attack helicopters anymore.
Correct but a lot of people do not want to understand this.
Thats why they bought a relatively cheap and versatile helicopter that could do attack missions, but even if these arent needed anymore, would still be highly useful in other missions.
there are no comments, we go back. From a true multi-role attack helicopter like the Tiger to one that looks like an improved version of the Huey gunships of the 1960s
Its a cost issue for Germany
The H145M can function beyond a gunship but yes, it can never take or replace a true gunship
@@verdebusterAP No not really there is more to that ! They didn t chose cause its cheap ! Not only at least ! The chopper situation is multi facetted if that makes sense to you! There is for one the unsure situation where ever a gunship is still a practical weapon or if it is osolete ! The ukraine war is a good chase where drones have stolen the show of gunships! At the moment the H1145M is only a Placeholder until either a next gen gunship or more likey a drone takes its place ! The other thing is the relaiability issue ! The Tiger which is a good chopper when it works which rarely ever does ! Germany only has 40 of these and they only work 20% of the time 40% if you belive the promises of the MKIII upgrade! A Apache is better of with 75% but as a Placeholder to expensive ! The H145M however does work over 90 % of the time and is cheap enough for the placeholder role ! Given that germany only needs a chopper that kills tank first and formost that is good enough ! For the moment at laest!
@@christianjunghanel6724
The Tiger was meant to compete with the AH-64 but the problem for the Tiger is the fact that AH-64 main user is the US Army
The US army has consistently pushed for more and more upgrades to it as well has been in combat through several conflicts
The only reason there is not AH-64F is because the US Army is refining its requirements for the next gen gunships
By the time the Tiger starting going to combat, it was 2009 and the AH-64 was established by then
Case in point, the Tiger MKIII is the same Longbow capability that the AH-64 has had since the late 90s
The same growing pains that the Tiger operators have, the AH-64 and US army already resolved during the 90s and early 2000s
As for next gen ship
I fully expect that the Bell 360 Invictus will the base for it
The Invictus has munitions that are stored internally till they are ready for use much like 5th aircraft
@@christianjunghanel6724
Sorry the Germany army
right
cost is the issue and they simply cant afford the Tiger
if Airbus was smart which they are not
They would equip the H145M with the mast mount allow it mount a longbow radar or EO/IR/ sensor or copy from the AH-1Z
and adopt a stubwing mounted longbow radar
There are ways to get the H145M up to the Tiger level
Ironically, the US MH-60 would make it easier to do
@@verdebusterAP Well they certainly can t afford a Tiger that only works on sunday if you get my drift! Even a bad one that works is more useful than a good one that don t ! As a placeholder it is good enough for the basics at last and to keep the Pilots certified ! The only issue that im really not happy with is the amount of H145M ! It is not enough of them in my view!
Unveiling? This thing has been in service for years
At first I was really skeptical about this helicopter, but now I like it more and more.....👍🏻
Ukraine shows it.
Attack Helicopters dont use their cannons, they use rockets and ATGM.
They did not get shot down by rifle fire, they get shot down with Manpads.
So do you really need a heavy armored attack helicopter if they didnt used like they should?
If we look at how helicopters are used in Ukraine where they offer support over long distances you do not really need a Tiger or Apache for those engagements. Seeing as the H145M will be equipped with long range Weaponry and new laser guided rockets there is no way these will be used for close range engagements. More like supporting the front line from behind and then use their mobility to resupply quickly. They should also be able to fly low to avoide radar to an extent and maintenance and spare parts should be easier as well. With those aspects in mind it makes kinda sense to order these in higher numbers with long range systems rather than waiting for the next gen helicopters to be developed.
Wow, someone gets it. Looks like there are still a few people with a three digit IQ in the youtube comments section.
H145M Have more modern feature than the Eurocopter Tiger, But, The amount of armaments it can carry is less than the Eurocopter Tiger, From what I see from the video, it can only carry 2 ATGM, 2 rockets rocket launchers and 2 additional Gun. For the armor, Eurocopter Tiger is better.
Overall The H145M is probably one of the most advance versatile helicopter, But because it is a versatile helicopter, I could undestand why it has less firepower and armor than the Eurocopter Tiger.
The H145M is low cost and budget gunship. Germany is saying they simply cant afford the Tiger anymore
@@verdebusterAP Its not that they cant afford, its that the decrease of the tigers operational readiness will be so tough in the future that they wont be able to fulfill their tasks in the nato alliance and that the tiger wont be worth the costs, if it will gather more problems with it.
@@Taxisch
Well the Tiger never truly matched the AH-64 on the market
As far as I know, the H-145 is not a replacement but a supplement for light attack and reconnaissance tasks
So more like a fat Little Bird for tier one guys you mean?
As we see in Ukraine, that attack helicopters might be a thing of the past in future battle fields, it makes sense to have versatile and less armoured helicopters for the remaining tasks, instead of wasting ressources on a partly dying horse.
Replacing their dedicated attack helicopters with light attack helicopters:
Bundeswehr 🤝🏻 Royal Thai Army
It's not replacing but supplementing the fleet
@@cathulhu-q7y Bundeswehr is slowly retiring their Tigers while the French Army is upgrading them.
@@paulsteaven yes and later in the decade, the tiger replacement will start, with a evaluation of proper combat helicopters
Don’t know about it replacing the Tiger, two very different machines. If they want a AH then the Apache or Viper would be a better option.
The RAF and British Army are purchasing six for use in Cyprus and Brunei.
Whilst also owning 64 brand new AH64D Apache attack helicopters.
Useful video, more knowledge for everyone, thank you for the hard work of making this video😑😑😑
So multi role? I guess it’s useful
This is an airbus eurocopter advertisement video - nothing else. The german Luftwaffe was so frustrated with the performance and the maintainability of the "Tiger" that they simply refused to start any modernisation- or mid-life-improvement-programm for this helicopter. And so the Luftwaffe searched a replacement for the "Tiger". What they wanted was something like the "AH 64 D Longbow-Apache" or even better, but the german government made it clear that any new helicopter HAD TO BE an airbus-eurocopter model. And the H145M was in use as a liaison and transport helicopter in german military and police units - so airbus-eurocopter "bolted" some more arms to this helicopter and PRESTO - Luftwaffe had to swallow it as the "ideal" "Tiger-replacement"... - to make things even better for the Luftwaffe, the german government ordered not the 150 + helicopters that the Luftwaffe had determined as their "minimum requirement" to fulfill all of its duties, but only 62 with an option of further 20... But to make things even better, the german government was willing to pay eurocopter for the now 62 + 20 ordered H145M the same amount of money that the originally planned 150 + costed in airbus-eurocopters first offer... Stupid german money at it´s best. The H145M is a stopgap-solution, nothing more. It cant do the jobs it is intended to do, and there will be too few of them to fullfill the operational requirements that the german government and the german military assured NATO to fullfill. The only people happy about the H145M are the people at airbus-eurocopter. Germany again gifted via it´s military the european aircraft industry (nearly completly situated in France!) a lot of money to receive not-suitable choppers in much to few quantities (and secured with this order with a lot of german money a lot of french jobs in France).
yes. youre right. Its fking embarassing..
What we germans (?) or at least our goverments always make clear, how good they are in throwing money around, payed by the tax paying working men (and women).
Recently I read some news, that retiring age in china was lifted... to 55 😂.
We will be working ourselves straight into our Graves, retiring age like what now? 75?
wtf..
no wonder 30% vote for far right parties nowadays
You don't seem to know much about Airbus. The helicopters are produced in Donauwörth, Germany. Not France. Military production of Airbus is also mainly in Germany. Manching, Bayern has the final assembly line of the Eurofighter and a ton of other military production.
Thats nonsence. First, Airbus is a european company, not a french one. Of course the German economy is going to profit from the helicopter. Second, even if the higher price is true, the helicopter is still highly useful to the German military regardless of its costs. 62 helicopters are much better than none at all.
This Helicopter better be added to WarThunder...
Dont spoil that game with such an helicopter....
Drinking game. 1 shot every time they say H145M. Good luck.
the war industry sure is fucked up but they make some cool toys
It should be redesigned to a new form, like MI8 to MI24, like the development of AH1 Cobra.
New Agusta Westland attack heli leads the way.
This is a step back to the Bo105. It shows the desaster, the German Tiger is - mainly for technical reasons. Why were the French and the Spanish able, to make the Tiger a sufficient attack helicopter, but the Germans were not?
tbf spanish tigers are ina very serious state of disrepair, everyone has the same problem and its money. spare parts arent ordered and some airframes are cnibalized to repair and keep running other airframes, its shameful
Australia even did a quick exit, getting rid off the Tiger.
Tiger'$ are a desaster. Germany need a Multipurpose Heli at first...
And the H145 M is well thought out tested & flexible... .
Need to star the tiger 2 program fix the mistakes that come from the tiger, or buy the AH64 apache
The Tiger is used by the Germany Army, not the Air Force.
Dunno anything about helicopters and am no military man but it sound well thought through to buy a modular multirole helicopter.
It could be a varsitile addition to the helocopter fleet to fill a gap of a light attack helicopter.
Bowever, with a dedicated attack helicopter like a apache or even cobra, its just not going to work.
Imho, airbus should learn from what whent wrong with the tiger and build a medium attack helicolter with a nose mounted autogun, able to pepper APCs. 30mm in addition to a coax mounted 7.62mm minigun. Add some amounts for gen 4 anti tank missiles / unguided rockets and this thing would slap.
The German army had huge success with the Boeing 105 helicopter even though it wasn't actually a specially developed combat helicopter. Special tank destroyer tactics were developed with the Bo 105 and these were very successful. I can imagine that this helicopter, together with new tactics, will also be very successful even if it doesn't come close to the capabilities of the Tiger. You can also talk about quantity rather than quality here - for the money of one Tiger you can almost buy two H145Ms. The H145M also has some major advantages over the Tiger that the Tiger couldn't offer, such as troop transport and medical transport.
But apart from that, it is stupid to make comparisons here anyway, since the Tiger is a pure attack, i.e. combat helicopter, and the H145M is a multi-role helicopter which originally came from the civil, not specifically military, sector.
The Bo 105 wasn't produced by Boeing but by Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm in Germany.
@@michaelburggraf2822 Ya right my father was working at the MBB at Ottobrunn near Munich, I have no idea why I was so stupid and wrote Boing even though you are of course right and my father was himself involved in the BO 105 production and was employed in the materials testing laboratory.
In my oppinion it is rediculous to assume that this civil-aviation-offshoot can replace the tiger in its role.
I also highly doubt that this helicopter is suited for highly contested airspaces as for example ukraines battlefields, in which even the tiger would probably very fast reach his limits.
Way to much glass in highly probable hit areas, very dangerous for the crew.
Ukrain has shown that attack helicopter do not fit the modern days. something to provide nothing more but fire support over your position is the concept of the new h145
The only reason why the Russians can use any attack helicopters at all is because of their overwhelming air superiority. Otherwise attack helicopters are obsolete. I guess we have seen the last generation of manned attack helicopters.
@@Vatnik_tschistilkano, he is clearly not aware of that. A lot of the comments under this video are just incredibly stupid.😐
Dedicated attack helicopters are MANPAD fodder in a near peer war as seen in Ukraine. Drones will be used for direct fire support missions and helicopters will be used to ambush mechanized assaults. This helicopter is perfect for that. Smart choice.
Ich finde das es sehr gute Entscheidung war. Kriege sind nicht nur mit beste Waffen geführt, auch cost-efect ist einzurechnen. Die moderne Atak Helikopters wie Tigre oder AH64 sind enorm teuer, benötigen permanente Entwicklung und sind sehr leicht zu zerstören. Es lohnt sich nicht mehr diese einzusetzen. Der H145 der mit Raketen über 10km Reichweite tragen könnte ist vollkommen ausrechend. Kann dabei auch andere Missionen zu not führen und kostet 1/3 oder weniger im vergleich. In nahe Zukunft alle gefährliche Missionen werden so wie so die Dronen übernehmen.
Als Pole kann ich nur sagen, dass der letzte Einkauf der AH64 das schlesteste und blödeste Idee war. Das ist nur ein Retungspaket für den Boeing, der absolut sinnlos und immens teuer war. Deutschland hat das mit H145 viel besser gelöst.
AI generated? everytime a shot, when H145M is sad and you're drunk....
Hope Tamiya made this scale model😉
That's a replacement for the BO-105 anti-tank helicopters at best. Though of course 20 years to late and not as many as needed.
Which is still great because those were pretty good.
But it will never replace the Tiger especially if we're preparing for a new high intensity confrontation with Russian mechanised armies. If they don't want to keep the Tiger in service, fine. Then buy Apaches. But that wouldn't be "cost effective" (aka cheap).
Anyway, maybe that's completely wrong in the age of drones and nobody needs an attack helicopter any more.
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they should put the billions in the development of autarc small attac drones with high range. all other things make no sense anymore.
Can We Get Updates On War In Ukraine
reporting from ukraine is the best channel for accurate updates (ukrainian bias but the best on u tube in my opinion )
Somewhere similar to HAL Rudra.
who needs a multi million dollar chopper anymore ? ... an octocopter strapped with high explosives is way more cost effective and nearly impossible to shoot down .. those days are gone
lmao what a fool you are holy shit
Are the drones are immune to ECM methods to keep flying to their attack missions? Until independent and trustworthy A.I. used for drone ops are here, then the dedicated human operated gunships are the way to go.
How close do you need to get to the threat to operate that kind of drones?
How many troops can your octopussy reallocate?
why would you put ballistic weapons on a helicopter !!
🇨🇦 Griffon replacement (?) 🤔
02:04 min - does anyone know why there are EoTech sights attached in the cockpit?
To fire unguided weapons like Machine Guns or small rockets.
The Tiger failed totally.
They go back to an updated Bo.
What a joke to the taxpayer
Thats rubbish. The tiger was very useful in a number of German missions. You seem to have very little knowledge about the German military.
ITS SIMILAR TO HAL RUDRA
Let me guess, 4 orders will be delivered in 5 years? 🤦🏼♀️
If Pistorius becomes nxt german chancellor, thats a maybe, if not, 4 is very optimistic.
It’s still not a dedicated attack helicopter, but it’ll be good for the light attack role! Germany just needs to invest in a dedicated attack helicopter.
Dedicated attack helicopter are either shot down in large numbers or not used at all out of fear it gets shot down, as the Ukraine war demonstrates. Why would Germany waste billions of euros it desperatly needs for other requirements for a concept that is appearently obsolete?
A real fake step for the Germans. The Tiger wasn't at all a great attack heli (not even a great omnirole heli) full of issues to fix and not so good as his counterparts.
Now that the Italians have released that beast of the AW249 Fenice (an UAV mothership with more firepower than an Apache and with Datalink, multidomain warfare systems and an huge data space for future AI applications) they should have chose to buy the Italian Fenice instead to go with this useless thing.
Are those glass screen and windows bullet proof? If not even an enemy with a pistol can cause a lot of damage.
This is just garbage and way worse then the Tiger ever was!!!
Its is a great civilian and emergency services and police Helicopter. But its no front line combat Helicopter, is there currently any programs in place be item a multi nation project for a European front like Battle Gunship or support Helicopter?
That's like sending a Suzuki micro car againt T-34s
This thing is never gonna survive in true battlefield situations
but it's a civilian aircraft with a paint job ! does it have armour plating or just wishful thinking ?
It´s armour are 2 rolls of duct-tape for "quick-repair"...🤣🤣🤣
The H145M is not an civilian aircraft. The M stands for military, so its a military helicopter based on a civilan module.
@Taxisch it has additional armor but nowhere near the level of certification vs typical assault rifles like ak47... completely useless
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Ridiculous.... you replace a gunship with a civil-aviation based helicopter. What is the point of a helicopter any soldier can shoot down with an assault rifle?
If your assault helicopter can shot and hit 10-15km, then you're welcome.
One of the most laughable decision the Bundeswehr has made ever.
this looks very conventional compare to apache..
Everybody keeps hating on attack helicopters but the Russian KA-51 has been very successfull regardless
They do a circuit, fire off their rockets while they're at it, and land again. It's more like, "since they're already there..."
Doofer billig-Ersatz.😢
This is a waste of money. I feel like this helicopter is already out or something like this already exists.
Rather you should have bought a Indian Rudra Mark lV helicopter which is better in everything than this one
A choice that reflects decades of abandonment by the German political class, which has a myopic view of geopolitics. A country that treats its armed forces as a burden and an unpleasant obligation of its functions that justifies everything in the name of a collective defense that understands Romanian, Portuguese and Greek brigades and battalions will defend the country. Any military enthusiast knows that these helicopters are no substitute for a thoroughbred attack aircraft. A primary error and when there is a need to use it in a real battle situation it will be a resounding failure. I feel sorry for German society that spent decades criticizing and trying to erase the country's history because everything that came from the past was wrong (fascism, that's a mistake) and in this justification it sailed under the umbrella of US defense and always failed to collaborate decently with the collective defense of the alliance. It appears to be a cowardly and opportunistic country. The SPD, Greens and FDP coalition should have suffered such a huge defeat at the polls due to the unpatriotic opinions of its members. That didn't happen. It's losing, but nothing so significant that it can't recover soon. I have the impression that the population is complicit in all the mistakes made by the politicians of this current government. If the US left Germany alone to learn and fight with resources and without decades of abandonment about its responsibility to defend its own country and not outsource its security to others.
Hey look food for Ka-52 & Mi-28.
It's also true that Germany is suffering a severe crisis, shops are closing as they become increasingly poorer, the Tiger has probably become too expensive. If anything, they lived until the end of their lives given the economic situation