Mad Minute: Finnish M24 Mosin-Nagant 7.62x54R
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By a lot of popular request, here's a Mad Minute with a Finnish M24 Mosin-Nagant in 7.62x54R. How disasterous could it possibly be?
Bloke on the Range, "Where we prove the validity of Murphy's law again and again."
You see, Ivan? If rifle unreliable, the enemy not expecting bullets.
We love watching the Bloke suffer.
I do it in the name of Science!!!
"AHHH! GARBAGE ROD!"
Yes he's not very good , is he LMFAO , well give him this , he didn't cut it to make him self look good , or maybe he did LOL .
@@BlokeontheRange No disrespect, but somewhere you must have misunderstood the way to work with the rifle. There are a lot of people in Russia itself who show the potential of it and here is one of them. I highly recommend watching this as it prooves Mosin Nagant is able to reach levels of its competitors once learnt. Vorfolomey, the shooter, said that he plases rounds in the clip with higher one being closer to the breach than lower one which allows for fast reload without rim caughture. Please watch his take on the mad minute. He overall specilises on mosin andon his channel you can find a lot of interesting videos about it. ua-cam.com/video/VQNOH9I_N4U/v-deo.html
@@Paul_Sergeyev Wow! You weren't kidding. I watched that Mosin video and he was amazing! 23 hits into the silhouette target was really something to see.
Bloke did very well actually, because minutes in Russia are measured in arshins.
That sounds arshinine.
Nicholas Patton LoL, good one
Arshin is a measure of distance, not time
Gaius Caligula I know, it’s a joke.
@@GaiusCaligula234 To be pedantic, minutes are also measures of distance, in coordinates.
The Mosin judged you and found you wanting.
Bloke: "it's a three hand job"
Repetative snacking noises
"There its coming"
UA-cam algorithm: demonitized
"I am going to get it dripping"
Can’t forget “it’s coming” right after
It got demonetized the moment he mentioned lube collected from the thighs of Swiss beauties. :D
Open a magazine on the bottom.
A "Maddening minute" on the mosin.
Manky minute for such a manky rod
tbf that's one of the least manky mosins I've seen and it still ran horribly
Wherein The Bloke demonstrates why the 1895 Winchester was so beloved of the Tsar's troops in WW1... X-D
It also smoked the mosin with inrange's mud test
@@anthonyhayes1267 Truth! Wish Winchester had recognized the value of stripper clip loading & adapted the solution they came up with for the Tsar to their regular models [esp. in .30-'06, like the modern production model I have! ::) ]
Ahhh, common mistake. Mosins only cycle at about -46C, and the extra movement helps you not freeze to death.
I think Fins are bear people anyway, they just threaten the rifle til it works. Or maybe they threw them like javelins.
mosin only worked because it was more scared about the finns using it than the soviets coming straight ahead
That's why there's a bayonet lug so you can attach your puukko to the rifle before yeeting it towards the Russian lines.
"Wow I can't believe how smooth this is going. Good for him!" *finishes first five rounds and starts reload* "...oh, there we go."
3:35 there's a reason why when people quote the "Britain had the best battle rifle, Germany the best hunting rifle, etc' for WWI the most generous thing anyone says is Russia had "a rifle", I'd still take one over a lebel. Just.
But only cos the Lebel has a tube mag! :D
@@BlokeontheRange On the other hand, the tube mag on the Lebel generally *fed* properly...
I *believe* the quote, or joke, was: "When Britain joined the war they brought a War Rifle. When Germany joined the war they brought a Hunting Rifle. When America joined the war they brought a Target Rifle. And when the Russians joined the war they brought . . . *_A,_* Rifle.
I'd take any rifle over none. Like seriously. Some countries doesnt even allow to own guns at all (or if they did, insane amount of paper work)...
Id take the lebel fuck ill take the 3 shot berthier over a mosin
I think that the reason it is so requested is from the enjoyment of Schadenfreude
You did a good job with what you were given.
“Really requested Mosin mad minute” why do you guys hate him so much?
Sometimes we like to watch the ones we love suffer
He lives in Switzerland the land where every village has 20 ranges and 30 railway stations. And the government forces you to shoot 100 rounds a day, and you have to because they have all voted on it.
Lucky sod. :)
It's the most "meme" rifle.
@@Treblaine Luckily in the UK we have laws that stop arbitrary purchases of firearms. If we didn't have would have a house full of Mosins. But I don't know why......... :)
Hey, he speaks German, he should know the word Schadenfreude.
All I could think was lift the top round in the chargers! Not bad otherwise, could have managed better then. Your introduction was very entertaining.
I tried that, like, 17 times with my own Mosin. Didn't help worth a damn.
That lifting the top round technique is endemic of bad clip fitment. You should not need to do it with properly fit clips. I recommend WW1 clips, if you can find em.
@@russetwolf13 Well I'm not familiar with your circumstances but my suggestions would be forcing the rounds down hard with your thumb when they're in then giving the bolt some real authority and it should pick up a round.
@@thegoldencaulk2742 I've never seen WW1 clips for Mosins, however, the lifting of the top round has fed my Mosin more reliably than any other method I've tried and I've ended up with far fewer cuts as a consequence too. When the rounds are angled down, it seems to service the lifting technique very well.
@@thegoldencaulk2742 I should also mention that I've tried it in a few different Mosins so it's probably not the charger bridge but the chargers at fault.
You know what would be fun? Manipulating the bolt of a Mosin in the prone!
- said no one ever. haha
Did not yell "cyka" when things went wrong 0/10
I think "Perkele" would be more prudent in this case
dugar1234 Or “saatana”, it’ll do.
Bylat!
8:12 was perfect in my eyes!
Yelling Cyka while holding a Finnish gun will get you 2 things. 1. Instant malfunction 2. The sights of the ghost of Simo burning at the back of your head.
Good lord even the cleaning rod decided to become a bayonet.
It will soon have a top hand guard, guaranteed to make it at least 5 rounds slicker 😬 REMATCH!
Chap: defends Mosin
everyone: 8:12
I absolutely love the mosin. No joke one of my favourite bolt action rifles.
i love mine too.
Same Here!
Is that because you were the one being shot at?
Fortunately there's therapy for masochism
Some notes on Mosin:
- Finnish manual gives it a rate of fire around 8-10 shots per minute (Interestingly, manual also assumes this as the rate of fire for rifles of other countries)
- Pre-M39 finnish Mosins are apparently chambered for .308 bullet of the 7.62x53r, whereas the Russian 7.62x54r uses a .310 bullet.
- M91/24 is just a rebarreled Russian M91, there is nothing really special, or Finnish about it other than new barrel.
On another note, did the rifle get especially hot during the shooting? A finnish Spanish international brigadier cites in his memoirs this as main problem with Three-line rifle, compared to Spanish rifle (Mauser). Then again, these guys were forced to use olive oil as gun oil...
The German foreign weapons book (which includes rifles that are identical to Kar98k's) also gives 8-10 for all clip or charger loaded rifles holding at least 5 rounds.
I assume what they mean is practical rate of fire for the average soldier? Keeping in mind accuracy and ammo consumption.
@@antongrahn1499 Yes, I'm fairly certain that's the practical rate of fire.
The cutout for the interruptor loves to swallow cartridge rims on mine giving me similar malfs. They're only dislodged with a stabing motion from the top with the handle out of a Swiss surplus cleaning kit. Issuing the Mosin was a war crime.
IV8888 has good video on the fixing problems with the mosin and shows how to bend the interrupter flat spring so it stops rimlock malfunctions like that. Ive done on 2 different Hungarian M44s that did the same thing and they have no issues feeding after a few hundred rounds. I agree the Mosin isnt a great rifle
@@prescotian1500 Thanks! I'll try it. Mine doesn't actually shoot too badly at all it's just that every few magazines I get one of those horrible jams. Might be able to take it to a milsurp competition if that fixes it.
"YoU DidN'T cLeaN thE CoSMOliNe"
-Mosin fan boys, probably
Several times already... And despite the fact that a) it's a Finn so was probably never cosmolened-up anyway, and b) changing the bolt lubrication basically fixed it.
"YoU DidN'T cLeaN thE CoSMOliNe"
What's to prevent the case from getting stuck in the breech, you silly.
For the smooth bolt you grind off the safety detent on the thing.
For better loading you sandpaper the clips for a bit.
Or just understand the superiority of semi-autos in fire rate, and stop taking the test results on what criteria for the bolt guns seriously, not every rifle of the time was an SMLE, nor was it supposed to be one.
@@fus132 I agree. It's never going to be slick like a Lee Enfield, so there's no use in trying to run it like one.
Fus Well the Mosin was basically designed for the same thing and the SMLE without any fundamental doctrinal differences. The only real difference was the SMLE was intended to be short enough to be used be cavalry while the Mosin still have full plenty rifles and carbines at this point.
Also it isn’t like the Lee action was newer, the British adopted the lee action in 1888, years before the Russians chose the Mosin. And the action was not fundamentally changed through the SMLE.
Now, no WWI era rifle was adopted with the primary goal of sustained rapid fire so it wasn’t really considered in adoption, but it is an interesting comparison.
@@BlottaMcTablets Consider watching this. It really can be. ua-cam.com/video/VQNOH9I_N4U/v-deo.html
Using stripper clips in my M39, I've found the most reliable way to get them to work is to partially lift up the top round with my index finger, then push down with my thumb pointed toward me. Not convenient or comfortable, but it seems to work consistently.
I’ve found the clips work better when you lift the first round up and use it to push the rest down. But, it’s still terribly slow and clumsy, so it probably wouldn’t have helped regardless.
Some clips are good. Some clips are worse. Some clips are so bad their only value is keeping the rounds oriented so you can load them individually.
I actually heard this tip from someone whose grandfather was in one of the shock armies in WW2, and who taught him how to shoot the Mosin.
Pretty sure that is exactly what you do in battlefield 1. I thought it was just animation flare or something, but I guess it's a real thing. Pretty neat.
@@zelo3238 Yeah that game is incredibly well animated.
Gearing up to do my own version of a mad minute series on my page! Did my first run with a Winchester M1917 (posting that video tomorrow actually) and I am definitely nowhere near as proficient in the course as you lol. Didn’t know you were already doing it until just now so I will be watching all of your vids on the subject. Kudos for even trying with a Mosin by the way
Try a carbine. Make sure you buy a shoulder replacement first
Your use of the stripper clips went better than any of mine. Somehow, when I used them it stood the last round vertical in the magazine whilst also allowing a round to come up into the chamber. Needless to say there was a lot of swearing involved in getting it unjammed
The trick is to get the tip of your thumb up inside the damn thing and push straight down with much force :)
It might be interesting to see how a M39 Mosin-Nagant would do in comparison.
With no training put into using this action or clips, the results are pathetic, just like here. I wish people would train a little with mosin pattern rifles, to see they are not so bad, not as good like a mauser or enfield or almost anything, but it was good enough, for millions of people to loose their lives, because of one. Mosins can be a good rifle, once people figure out the kinks and "special needs" it requires. But like bloke demostrated, he didn't even know how to use the clips, so the rifle is worth nothing. No army would ever adopt a rifle as bad, that is seen in the video, it's shooter error I'm afraid to say, but it's true. I'm aware of limitations mosins have, but what is seen in the video, is ridiculous at best. Put in little training, like millions of soldiers have done and it works pretty good. I'm not a mosin fan boy, I actually got military training on the m39, in 1978 when I was doing my time in the Finnish military, no one had big problems with the gun, after they were told about what to do, how and why and what not to do.
@@TheSpekkel1 please do a video on mosin tips... seriously.
Bloke actually did pretty well with that horrible rifle.
When loading a mosin I found that to push the rounds down, you have to flip your hand so your thumb is facing towards the stock and then push them down holding the rifle with your hand
I find getting my thumb right up inside the charger works best.
@@BlokeontheRange Last time I did it this way, I broke my nail up to the germinal matrix ...
@@bounty157 That's a feature. The pain and blood keep you awake so you keep fighting.
It’s much easier to just load it by hand it’s only 5 bullets.
@@BlokeontheRange Or you can try it the way it was intended. Just a suggestion.
ua-cam.com/video/87vqPHz7U38/v-deo.html
This is definitely about the Winter War. Great video again Mr. Bloke and Chap.
I noticed 2 things in this video that I've also noticed with my own Finnish m24. #1, the bolt getting sticky. Early Finnish made barrels had tighter bores, my m24 slugs at .309. When shooting just regular ammo, my bolt gets sticky, but when shooting handloads with .308 projectiles it's never a problem. I'm thinking the stickyness is from higher pressure from the larger bullets. #2, stripper clips. I've found that older, pre war mosins have tighter tolerances in the stripper clip guides. Some clips that I have work fine in my war time rifles, but some won't even fit in the older rifles at all. Either way I loved the video, not too many m24s still around.
kyle pedelose Thanks. I don’t have any real problems when shooting casually at the range. I might attempt reloading for it but then again I won’t shoot it enough to justify the outlay. Perhaps I should start a Finn MN collection to justify it 🤔
Bloko Hayha, the White Death
But for real, people who really understand the quality of these old Mosins (not to mention the conditions of those kinds of winters) it makes Simo Hayha's work with one substantially more impressive.
More like "The British Death" but yeah
i realy like all of your mad minute videos, great work.
And this is why the straight pull was invented...
Stripper clips work better when you bend them to shape and polish them with steel wool. Make loading them much easier.
Bloke, you clearly lack the spirit of Stalin.
You have angered the internet again, you better run and hide somewhere they can't find you! Norfolk should work
I thought a lot of Finnish M24s were made from old Mosins and merely re-barreled.
Yes, only difference is the New barrel, otherwise it is just a Imperial Russian M91.
it's almost insulting to the proper Finnish Mosins to have the word "Finnish" in the title of this video. This is not to say that M27, M28 or M39 would perform any better in mad minute, a Mosin action is a Mosin action, even if you fry it in butter.
Finns only kept bolts and receivers and bolts often were refitted from other rifles.
Everything else was build.
It's amazing that guy won the BotR shooting competition dropping the mosin out of his shoulder. You sure he wasn't cheating and had bionic arms or something? Or worse... he practised.
He didn't win on the rapid bits, which were only 10 rounds in a minute in any case (at school we used to single-load No.8's and fire 10 rounds a minute for a competition). He won cos he beat me at 300m: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uaKJnCTJaq63QJiJtGfHmjqkCFYPeMSFcDODy62Kv0E/edit?usp=sharing
I fear the Absolute Gorilla Bear of a man that can actually do a mad minute on a Mosin.
3:28 He finally yells what everyone is thinking.
By the way, it is the most requested Mad Minute video because of Schadenfreude. We all know it, and knew that this was going to happen. We just wanted to confirm the suffering. Also, we can now scientifically say, it is a piece of shit rifle to use as a battle rifle (hunting is whatever, target shooting is fine).
It’s not the guns fault that the stripper clips suck ass also it would be a lot more effective if it had the bent sniper bolt.
@@CreatorCade bent bolt is not needed, only straight hands and knowledge of the weapon:
ua-cam.com/video/87vqPHz7U38/v-deo.html
LOL "scientifically say"!!!
The wilful ignorance and self destructive superiority complex of the western culture is fucking tragic and hilarious at the same time.
If a retard tries to wipe his ass with a tooth brush, he will also "scientifically say" that the toothbrush is a piece of shit.
This is what a Mosin looks line in use when it is in the hands of a rifle shooter, and not when it is being molested by some UA-cam wannabe:
ua-cam.com/video/87vqPHz7U38/v-deo.html
I have and I run Mosins. Mosin is a proven, deadly weapon of war and not a toy for privileged morons on UA-cam.
@@BigSmartArmed Im sure you or the average soviet conscript could do far better. One guy having his mosin work amazing out of the over 15 million world wide is by no means a game changer. A similarly skilled man with a similarly well functioning enfield will always shoot better and faster
@@BigSmartArmed То, что можно выдрочить ВМ до такого блеска, несомненно. Но Bloke on the Range тоже не дебил, он около десяти лет (скорее всего больше, до основания канала) фанатично рубится по болтовкам. Причем РАЗНЫМ, в отличие от большинства российских любителей. Не исключаю, что переехал в Швейцарию много лет назад он тоже из-за большей лояльности оружейных законов - но и в UK ему был доступен здоровенный парк surplus-винтовок разных стран. Как прямо говорится в этом видео, много лет назад он на тренировках именно об свою предыдущую винтовку Мосина задрачивал до кровавых мозолей ладонь.
I had an old toz/baikal air rifle once that just oozed cosmoline. Was so bad I decided to sweat the stuff out of it by taking the stock off, wrapping it all in paper towels n binbags and stuffing it under the insulation of the hot water cylinder in the airing cupboard. Left it there for a week to sweat all the gunk out of it. Worked fairly well.
When I see the title I know its going to be a slow one
I got one of these m24s. Is the onyl way to get it apart to bend the sling mounts off? Seems like kind of a pain. Im not aware of any other way. I mean it does work but its a pain
BEAUTIFUL FINNISH M24. I’m jealous.
7:57 That face, haha
Now you know why so much of us wanted to see you enjoy the Mosin in a mad minute. 🤣🤣🤣
And...hilarity ensues...
Bloke, my hat's off to you for making this video.
You only need to get 5 rounds off in a Mosin mad minute. That’s all you get issued!
(I love my 43 Tula, slick and pretty accurate!)
"You only need to get 5 rounds off in a Mosin mad minute. That’s a-" * man behind you picks up your rifle
"pissing oil from every orifice" ............... Classic!
For historical accuracy and a realistic comparison to other period rifles, you should have run 2 or 3 at the same time and counted all shots as one rifle
Gosh that was both painful and hilarious to watch. I'm curious, do your Chinese chips have a bootleg Tikka stamp on the spine? I have a few like that and they exhibit exactly the same issue, being that they just. Will. Not. Feed. I've managed to make one work by polishing all the parkerizing off, both inside and outside, so I'm guessing it's a tolerance issue. Shame, because they look very well formed, and they're certainly cheap enough.
No, there's no bootleg stamps anywhere. I've got some stainless ones to try, but I'm not sure they'll be any better...
I felt great selling my Mosin. Worst surplus purchase EVER. Garbage Rod is too true.
There's no button for Laughing.
"50 Shades of Ooooaaaawww!"
That looked more like multiple shots overlapping than tumbling, didn't it?
Just wondering, could the sticky bolt be a result of oil-soaked brass? The bolt lugs would work a lot harder if the brass can't 'grab' the chamber, ie instead of helping hold the gasses it want's to slide back into the bolt face.
Brass is dry.
Kind of a weird one to request since you've done your K98 already, but a form of Swedish Mauser might be a fun comparison in order to get a view of how decreased recoil helps
Got a better example of decreased recoil which shows that it doesn't help :)
Yeah the Frankenstein rifle runs about as good as the no. 4
Still a bent bold handle M/94 super light. I’m wondering if the cock on close plus light/handy would add up to something.
Got an even better example than that coming up :)
@@BlokeontheRange 7x57?
Bloke on the Range carcano?
I have an Russian M39 from 1943 that's pretty slick compared to other ones that I've handled. I also have a Finnish Mosin that I'm kind of disappointed after all I've heard about them, and I'm sad to say I prefer my m39. Maybe its just the time I've spent with it comparably. I must just know the rifle better, but i will say the action on it is very nice. They are collectively garbage rods though... But i love my garbage rod 😉
The m39 is finnish, not russian
@@nathan655555 oof my bad it's an m38 I think the Finnish rifle is an m39.
So on the crappy Mosin striper clips you have to grab the top round with index finger on bottom thumb on top and use that top round to push the rest down.
I’m here not to see how fast bloke can shoot but the suffering of Mosin
Sorry for your suffering, but... this video brought me a great deal of joy.
I once cut my thumbnail loading a Mosin with stipper clips.
Ouch. That’s why I don’t like them they’re just not practical.
Between this, my own experience and many testimonies given, I'll never stop calling the garbage rod a garbage rod.
Little side note for those who didnt know : Finland didnt use Mosin Nagants because ''they like them'' or ''preferred them'', they used them because they had no choice and were too poor to really invest money in a better rifle and all the expenses that would come from it (prior to WW2 and for quite a while after it, Finland was by no means a wealthy country). It was out of necessity that they stayed with these things, nobudy bought and stayed with Mosins if they could get a Mauser
Enjoyed the video
First off the Chinese stripper clips are junk
I think the reason so many Mosins have sticky extraction can be because of the cosmoline used on them.
People clean the bore originally but not the chamber then when fired it forms a shellac coating in the chamber which sticks the case. Unless you have a chamber brush you can clean the bore all you want and not get the chamber clean
I had one that was sticky and what I did was put a rag in the chamber soaked in solvent, let it set, took it out and took a M1 chamber brush chucked it in a power drill and spun it in the chamber then wiped it out with patches. Took care of the sticky bolt.
You shouldn’t have to run your gun dripping with oil
While not the smoothest action if the rifle was as defective as many say probably wouldn’t have made a billion of them and used them for such a long time, eh?
They used them because they were cheap and quick to make. As with anything Russian, finished quality doesn't mean much. Look at T-34 tanks, IL-2 planes, and yes their firearms. Shoddily put together to get it out of the factory and into fighting hands as fast as possible. They could be classified as "barely adequate"
The Badass Bassist I think most people would disagree with your assessment of Russian weapons such as the T-34 Tank as “ barely Adequate “ the German general Paul Ludwig Ewald von Kleist called it "the finest tank in the world"
I have 4 mosin nagants but I wouldn’t call myself a fan boy of them. I think the sights and safety leave a lot to be desired but I think for what they were designed for, a simple robust , dependable rifle they are more then adequate
Many millions of them were used in combat to good effect and I am not aware of a high percentage of problems
@@deadhorse1391 T-34 tanks were made (By children and farmers) to have a lifespan of 200km. You needed a hammer to switch gears. It was an ergonomic nightmare, armor welds were crudely finished, if at all. The parts failed often, with tanks having to carry spare transmissions at times. Most didn't even have radios. They would only become "adequate" By 1944. There's a reason these tanks had a loss rate of 100% in the first
Mosins are regarded as the same. Poorly fitted, poorly finished, with gaps into the action, Made as fast and cheap as possible by underskilled children to get them out into the hands of soldiers who were being sent into the meat grinder.
The rifles and tanks didn't win the war. It was that Russia could afford to sling waves of soldiers until the german line broke.
If I recall the caliber of Finnish Mosin Nagant rifle is actually 7.62x53R, instead of 7.62x54R, virtually identical rounds , though that shouldn't be a problem.
"Garbage Rod!!!" Fine words to describe a fine rifle
This Proves my Utter Hatred for PPU ammo!!
World Traveler I would have liked to seen the velocity on that ammunition. I also bet the crown on the muzzle shit.
The M24 rifle does not have a trouble free magazine (as is in the m39 model), so the cartridge clip must be fed in the right direction or the cartridges will get stuck in the magazine.
Sniper Simo Häyhä shot presumably 16 shots in a minute as follows. (This is based on a new edition of the history book about Simo Häyhä.)
The first five cartridges from the magazine and the remaining 11 pieces by hand feeding one at a time.
I've done 18 in competition once with a slick (for a Mosin) 91/30 I used to own, feeding from chargers (and possibly even an unloaded start). Never got close since! :D
Also have a Hungarian 48.M. It locks up every time 5 rounds are charged, a sign of reliability and the high standard of craftsmanship that went into this rifle. The exact reason it stayed at home for the BOTR challenge and only gets used every blue moon.
You don't use the word "bollocks" enough 😄
For those of you who don't speak French, the sign behind bloke states; no mosin Nagants of any type, model , year, country of origin may be used at this range.
Now we need a mad minute with the Lebel 1886
Juanmartin Amarilla It will happen. The issue with it, aside from slowness to refill the mag, will be short stroking the bolt in the rush to get shots down range.
The reason for that Mosin requiring a use of a plier tool may be this: all Mosin magazines were not "failure-proof", especially older russian ones. Not even all Finnish Mosins. A rimmed cartridge could stuck in the magazine well, a lower cartridge rim impeding the feeding of an upper cartridge. Finns had later "häiriövapaa = failure-proof" magazines, which were designed to solve this fatal problem.
All Mosins have interrupters to prevent rim-jam, many of them become worn and unreliable. The Finns likely just fixed them, they did not add anything to them.
If both Finns and Soviets have had proper rifles in WW2 there might be not many Finns and Russians left today.
The Russians wouldn't have gained even enough ground to bury their dead. But then the Finns would have lost too many to hold very much, so.....
Small arms historically have not have much impact on the outcome of a war. Logistics and maneuver are the deciding factors.
Sadly, Both sides had Artillery. Altough Finnish artillery situation was pretty poor during the winter war, as noted by Stalin himself.
Russia would be considered as a country of small population after that. Like Baltic countries.
@@kgb3559 didn't Austria-Hungary adopt the Werndl rifle for exactly that reason?
I'd love to see an 1889 rubin mad minute...
Pretty pretty pleeeaaase
Oh yes please
The only thing that would of made this better is if the timer didn't work during the one working run. Then we could of learned the extent of Bloke's German vocabulary :)
I’ve had major extraction issues using PPU ammunition on anything with a bolt action. I have a Finnish mosin and a Swedish Mauser which both fail to extract every time using PPU ammo. I switch to S&B which is slightly more expensive but still brass cased and the issues went away. After I explored further it seemed that the casings were about half a mm shorter so the extractor wasn’t grabbing the cases properly.
Mine is a rough m44 that cost me £185 and that included a couple of hundred rounds of Egyptian 70s ammo. It runs on strippers a hell of a lot easier than this. I had no idea how lucky I was. Slightly regret chopping it up now!
When are you finishing those Swiss rifle documentary videos? Waiting patiently!
I've had some pretty sticky bolts on mosins but a little white lithium grease on the camming surfaces of the bolt made quite a difference.
Some minor points:
1. Finnish Mosins bolts are much more tight, than Russian ones. This was done on purpose to enhance accuracy.
2. Average Finnish Mosins should be more accurate, than average SMLEs, Kar98s, Spriendfields, Arisakas, etc. and on par with Swedish Mauser and Swiss K31. All Finnish modifications to Russian original had accuracy as a prime goal. Completely different barrel, trigger (it is improved in M27 model already) and stock.
3. 8-10 accurate shots per minute is reasonable expectation from average trained soldier for bolt rifle in field conditions. Brits and Schmidt-Rubin users had different ideas. Maybe they were right. Never heard though bolt rifle fire rapidity being notable factor in XX century combat, except for opening battles of 1914, when Brits employed their small professional army put its extensive marksmanship training during peace time to good use against Germans.
4. Going beyond 10 accurate shots per minute with Finnish Mosin IMHO requires practice with specific gun, proven clips and, arguably, better ammo. Simo Haya did 16 shots per minute at 150 meters target. Guy in States named Theph almost repeated this record (he has pretty good channel at ua-cam.com/users/TheProudNoob). Highly recommended.
To sum up. I can readily and respectfully recognize SMLEs being faster. They really shine in this specific niche. They have greater magazine capacity and are excellent guns. However, speaking about potential combat, I would stick to my Finnish M39: for me it works almost as a laser gun if I see the target, know both distance and wind speed. This said, I would NEVER opt for a Russian-built Mosins, although they could arguably cycle a bit faster due to greater bolt tolerances. But their quality is extremely uneven, triggers are awful, stock designed for bayonet combat instead of accurate shooting.
How do you jam up a Mosin?
Maybe you clean it too much.
I don't have clips and use steel case Tula.
When you do pull it off don't touch the barrel afterwards, will instantly blister.
Radical form man, but where is your bolt opening standard Russian issue 2"*4"?
Mosins are fun to collect and tinker with but out of all the old school military bolt action rifles they are not the best. The best is either a K31 or some kind of G98/K98 Mauser followed by the Lee-Enfield. I've had Soviet Mosins that ran fine when I individually loaded the cartridges at the range but the chargers rarely work.
I've got a few Mosins and a few Mausers and American Krags, M1917, and the 1903 Springfield. Out of them all I prefer the Mausers and my Ruger GSR.
Thank you for this. For some reason there’s a bunch of us Americans who have a hard-on for these tomato stakes. While I have a Chinese Type 53, a Russian M44 and a Finnish M39, and they are adequate, they are NOT anywhere up to the task at hand compared to a K98 or a 1903 Springfield. (My 1903 is actually a Rock Island arsenal model).
What kaliber ammo did you use. Since you had a Finnish Mosin It has been made for 7,62x53R, not the russian 7,62x54R. The bullet dia is different, case is shorter and case rim is slightly different. Also finnish stripperclips are slightly different. The reasons for those changes where to make the gun more accurate and also funktion smother. All finnish guns that were made and captured were rebarreled and reworked for this 53R kaliber. Also the actions were made to tighter toleranses for better precision and smother operation. 54R ammo can be shot in a finnish rifle but its not recomended.
My first mosin had that jamming problem. My other ones never did.
Mosins are at the bottom of military bolt actions, probably just above the lebel.
The interrupter has to be adjusted/bent/twisted in all three axes to move and fit right. I have a two piece interrupter in my M39; I haven't yet gotten a one piece interrupter to work reliably.
How does one harvest the so called Automaten fett?
Mad minute with a mosin
Yea, that was pretty much what i expected
What pattern did you load the chargers? They don’t look staggered to my eye.
I say this from years of shooting a Mosin, the chargers were sometimes a pain but never that bad.
At 0:20 I understand where the demand for the Mosin Nagant video comes from: buyers in the US who bought milsurp MN rifles when there available for a song (along with plentiful surplus ammo) and want to see their purchase validated. The level of fanboyism over this rifle is a mystery to me. I don't understand why it's somehow not enough for these folks to recognize that they got a hell of a deal on a good, solid, but quite unspectacular military rifle and ammo. No, for some reason, it just has to be that they got the best bargain ever, ever, EVER, and the rifle is just so sooper dooper awesome, etc. etc. They get emotionally invested in these things to a degree I've never seen in any other firearm.
As a fan of the Mosin. It's hardly because it's a good rifle, it's that it's a fun rifle. It's a special kind of dirty that you just can't find anywhere else. The only people who think it's anything other than an late 1800's pattern rifle cobbled together by dirty peasants in the 30's and 40's are the ones who keep trying to turn them into precision rifles, something the Finn's could only do after hand fitting everything and completely replacing everything but the bolt and receiver.
anything Russian has this fanboyism around it. German made guns are the same too.
In order to use the Mosin stripper clips correctly you have to lift up the top round and then push down with your thumb at the rim of the round it's smooth as butter when done right.
Why is it that I picture the same sounds of frustration you're making from a Russian soldier during the opening bouts with the German Army during WW2?
Rick Regina More like Finnish soldiers during the Winter War (Talvisota the movie has shown exactly that).
I doubt that since they have ammo shortage. You can still win the war as long you have the ammo despite using crap riffle. You will never win any war with good rifle but no ammo.
First rifle I ever bought was (and still is) a great condition M44 @ $125 US! I love the damn thing.
Found that tilting the top bullet up and pushing down results in reliable clip reloads for mosins.
A few tips that could help with a speed run.
1: take a dremel/drill with a cleaning jag and polish the cosmoline out of the headspace. That tends to be the worst place for lingering cosmoline as well as "sticky bolt/stuck cases"
2: File down the safety detent on the bolt so the overall operation of working the bolt is 4 actions instead of 5-6.
3: The most important with working with rimmed ammo on a bolt gun, do not attempt to load the clip the same way as you might with a mauser. Because of the rims of each cartridge resting on the rear of the one behind it, when you press down, the cartridge wants to nosedive instead of dropping into the magazine. This is why many garbage-rod fanboys will advise to lift up on the nose with your index finger while pushing down on the rear with your thumb. Doing this fast enough can occasionally result in the clip bouncing out of the guide channels similar to that of a garand.
Although the mosin was arguably the best of the worst military bolt-guns of the world, the Russian government didnt do the rifles any service by greasing them up in damning cosmoline for storage, as well as many of the rifles having to be accurized to even be considered on par with most other ww2 guns.
Now like previously mentioned, the act of loading the clips differently due to the nature of rimmed ammunition is something I see far to often. There would have been doctrine as far as the proper loading technique, otherwise the soviet troops would have more than likely developed a different rifle like the sks sooner or face defeat (just my opinion on this last part).