Chris, This Avalon offers 43+ miles per gallon of pure class. As I recall, Charlie got 48 mpg on his 70 mph test loop. People should snap these up while they still can. At least we live in an age where consumers get advanced warning that models or options are coming to an end. I still find it amazing that a car the size of an Avalon can easily exceed the mpg of an ordinary Corolla, Civic or Elantra.
I was really surprised on that 48mpg number, it’s true this Avalon hits the mark. We have a Camry hybrid this week too, it’ll be interesting to compare 👍
@@TheTopher I will be anxiously waiting for your test results. Of course weather and driving conditions might impact the final result but I will be surprised if the Camry beats the Avalon. BTW did Charlie ever pay you back for the electricity he borrowed from your new charger? He left incriminating video evidence on his channel ;-)
@@rightlanehog3151 we see saw +40 mpg for 120 miles in our 2018 CT6 2.0E plug-in. Of course that was after the 46 miles in EV mode on battery. Bought new in 2020 for $38K with 575 miles. Ride quality that puts passengers to sleep on long drives and best driving in the segment!
If an Avalon is pure class, what is its ES Hybrid cousin? ES Hybrid is a much better buy. I get 43 MPG on mine. Better insulation, stiffer body (no rear folding seats)
I drive a 2008 Lexus es350 and I'm definitely getting an Avalon whenever I have the money to do so. I love a big comfy road couch after a hard day of work.
I do like what the Avalon offers for sure. Personally I would still buy the V6, however I couldn’t fault people for choosing the hybrid. My 2006 Avalon is still going strong so no need for a new one :)
@@naveenthemachine so do I it’s one of the best engines you can get, but I understand why people get the hybrid. Personally, I’d rather spend a little more on gas and have the V6
Just bought a 2006 with 150k miles and it's already throwing codes at me. Nothing wrong with the engine, just something about a purge valve and emissions.
Well at least you’ll be able to get these used now in the future and wont have to worry about being outdated later down the road. They’re still amazing cars, the market for them just doesn’t exist anymore.
@@rav4primexse "I- I’m not even a hater. I never even said Lexus ES 350 here. So what are you even on about?" Here? So literal.
"Hater" Don't worry. If you liked this car that much Lexus ES 350 Hybrid is still around you can still dream about it. Ah! You did not know about the ES 350 Hybrid, right. Stop shedding alligator tears after the Avalon hater.
@@squidproquo2241 what are you even talking about?! I love the Avalon. I like the ES 350 as well. All I’m saying is that I wish Toyota didn’t discontinue it. I’m not even a hater of The Topher
I just test drove this last night and it was amazing! Felt sturdy and so comfortable. Man I wish their wasn’t a shortage right now. I could live with the grill even though it looks like it’s going to eat you
I have the same interior with white exterior and absolutely love it...... great car and my second Avalon. I was doing 100 down the freeway out west and didn't realize my speed and the JBL stereo is the best I've encountered in a car.... 18 speakers with 1500 watts - I've heard nuances in music that I've not noticed previously.... great great car!!!
@@thefatcatcompany2021 IS500? It is a performance sedan and a whole different platform. I think you are just babbling about Avalon and you are just a hater who is happy that this car is discontinued.
the combined 245hp rating found in the highlander/sienna hybrids would have been nice on the venza/rav4. for my venza anyways, i would gladly take a small hit in mpg for more power.
Hi Chris, As always, a good, concise, and informative review. This old retired guy thinks he will keep his 2017 Camry LE.🙂 It still has only about 16000 miles on the odometer, and it is more than adequate for my Target run (3.4 miles roundtrip) and Aldi's run (5.6 miles roundtrip.) An observation: inflation seems to have really hit the motor vehicle market. Granted, my '17 Camry is the base model, but the MSRP was only $24204.00. The Avalon does have better fuel economy and is more "plush" but for me spending $43K+ to get it ain't worth it!
@@sybsygstgstsgysg5330 No doubt! It was a lease, and when the lease expired in May 2020 I exercised my option to purchase it outright for a no negotiating/bargaining cost of $14440 including tax. I have no idea what I could get for it if I tried to sell it, but think I will hang on to it.
I think why this body style killed the Avalon. They made it too sporty looking for the old people who had been buying Avalon’s to like, and then the young people didn’t want to buy since it was a old person car resulting in no body buying it
For these upper Avalon trims, would you say the materials build quality is comparable to a Lexus ES? I was comparing this to the Hybrid ES and I was wondering if the materials and the way it drives was comparable. Of course I am expecting that the ES is going to be a bit better, but I was wondering how this holds up.
What a bummer I was in the market to purchase an Avalon now I don’t think I would spend the money they are asking on one now. I will also give the Lexus some thought . People have always said the Lexus will cost a lot to maintain if something breaks. I don’t see why it would cost anymore to maintain than a new Camry. What are your thoughts?
@@jhollie8196 Thanks! I think I will also give the ES a look, such a bummer that the Avalon is being discontinued. I don’t think I want to spend so much on a car that is EOL.
Below certain speeds, there is a sound that is emitted to let pedestrians hear you. It makes a similar sound going forward until you hit about 20-25mph. I believe that is a federal requirement
Chris, Sorry to hog the whole Comments section but I just reviewed the video and made a startling discovery. At exactly 10:33 you can just barely hear the guy in the Ferrari saying "Ooooh, nice Avalon!!" .
I drove this back-to-back with the ES300H. The Avalon feels cheap next to the ES. Given how close in price they are, I suspect most buyers are going for the Lexus. I can't imagine most buyers of a larger luxury-ish sedan is stretching their budget to make $43k work, so the jump a few thousand up is probably just a blip on the radar. The Avalon is very nice, but the ES is much better around all the edges. Also, I had a whole bunch of lag with the Avalon infotainment, especially at boot (took about 20 seconds to warm up) though I didn't have that issue with the ES. I ended up buying the ES.
Go to edmunds they said the avalon has lexus quality materials with toyota pricing. This car does not feel cheap compared to lexus es. Now the Avalon can't compare to the lexus ls 500
They discontinued to give people the nudge to go Lexus and realistically a Camry is a suitable sedan for Toyo lineup! Smart business move as the electric revolution is in full swing! Sound move IMO…..
I have been in the market for this same Avalon and I agree about the price and you might as well go with the Lexus, but is it expensive to maintain the Lexus ES or is it just a myth? I have heard that the Lexus ES and the Avalon has the same motor and transmission is that true? I really don’t know if I would spend this kind of money on a car that I know they are discontinuing.
I think Toyota need to streamline their products a bit, I’m not against offers and options but weighing ”why this car and not a Lexus?” (And vice versa) At times it feels Toyota is competing against itself with minute differences between models when said changes could’ve been offered in one and the same.
@@naveenthemachine Toyota owns Lexus, sooo. Again I don’t mind options, but my question is what does Avalon offers Camry don’t and could those differences been offered in the Camry as a trim option? It just seems redundant having two models doing the same thing.
"I think Toyota need to streamline their products a bit, I’m not against offers and options but weighing ”why this car and not a Lexus?” (And vice versa) At times it feels Toyota is competing against itself with minute differences between models when said changes could’ve been offered in one and the same" Streamline? You mean like VW group does with Audi and VW, make Toyota's as cheap looking as possible without destroying the image, while you make Lexus the opposite so that people would think that they are different brands. You will never be satisfied if you buy a decent car under a Toyota brand as long as there is luxury brand sales another car on a similar platform with more luxury. Toyota is doing right, it is your perception messed up. Because you are far more brain washed by the bashing from the competition. I haven;t met a Toyota owner who is complaining about Lexus making a luxurious version of their car or vice versa, It is the haters who chew that Toyota is competing with itself gum, all the time.
@@squidproquo2241 It’s quite apparent you have a different interpretation of ”streamline” than I do, and given your response you have already reasoned yourself that I’m stupid so regardless what I clarify it’d be just on deaf ears - so why bother trying. So if that’s your conclusion, then I’ll let you believe that.
The Avalon is a great car and I'm sad to see it go, as it goes to show that the full size sedan is starting to be a thing of the past. However, design choices like that extremely ugly front grill and pricing killed it in my opinion. For just a few thousand dollars more you can get the ES, which is better in every sense and they're finally improving the awful infotainment system. The ES is also the same architecture so you're getting just as much space with much better materials
@@shaktinitschke I remember test driving the ES and felt the Avalon was more spacious in comparison. I remember feeling the Avalon was the most spacious sedan I’d ever been inside which is why I loved it so much and chose to buy one.
That 2.5 is a little rough sounding . Nice car though although I'm not a fan of their cvt . I think that I much prefer the Hyundai Kia system . I drive a Kia Niro Hybrid by the way and love it two years in . I live in Canada where Large sedans have become basically non entity . For a large car though though this thing excells at fuel economy .
The Avalon was killing Lexus ES 350 sales: too much luxury for the price. I've gotten as much as 53 MPG at 65 MPG during Michigan summers: closer to 40 MPG on a very cold winter day. Checked out the new Crown, but it doesn't have the interior space , or excellent visibility or the Avalon. Coming out of a Tesla, so relieved to be free of range anxiety on trips to Florida especially.
Bought the same 2021 Avalon hybrid limited and the driver door rattles like shit. The car has like 200 miles on it. Took it twice to the dealer to fix and they can’t find the problem. They told me to “drive the car more and see if the problem goes away” 😂
Accelerating to a normal speed in EV mode with a non-plugin hybrid is EXTREMELY inefficient. Sure, the engine is off, but when you convert energy, you lose energy. No free lunch, as I like to say.
Your explanation has a flaw. A hybrid has a battery to assist the gasoline engine. With a full battery the conversion inefficiency will not effect the 0 - 60 times. After, the car reaches the travelling speeds the batteries are recharged. considering the average gas consumption and the performance, a hybrid car is far more efficient than an only gasoline engine car. If you tried to drive this Avalon with a gas only engine and achieved same mpg, your performance will be horrible. A Honda Accord Hybrid, for example, performs better and achieves better mpg with 2.0 liter engine than the 1.5 liter turbo engine alone Accord. Also this Avalon has a better gas mileage than non hybrid 2.5 liter Camry could have achieved with similar performance numbers. Whether, you like it or not, hybrid system is more efficient than only gasoline engine application, especially, if you consider the performance factor.
@@squidproquo2241 I'm aware of that, but I'm talking about feathering the accelerator to get up to speed using only the batteries. That's where the conversion inefficiencies come into play. It's better to have the battery assist than have the battery alone accelerate the car.
@@aspecreviews "I'm aware of that, but I'm talking about feathering the accelerator to get up to speed using only the batteries. That's where the conversion inefficiencies come into play. It's better to have the battery assist than have the battery alone accelerate the car." Performance wise yes. However, battery technology is not there yet to make full electric cars as efficient as the non hybrid or hybrid vehicles. Instead of trying to give a verdict by performance numbers, if you think doing that by using the principles of Thermodynamics you will realize that full electric mobile machines that carry their own energy source, is not that efficient with current technology.
One of the purpose of the hybrid battery is to capture energy that would otherwise be wasted as much as possible. First, there is regen braking. Energy that would be lost to friction braking can be recovered to a degree minus some inefficiency. Second, the engine can be optimized for more efficiency and less power in general. Also, the engine when running can be kept in ideal power band more often. That's why Atkinson engines are used here. The electric motor helps to fill in the few times you need more power by helping the gasoline engine. Third, at moderate speeds when you don't need so much power, the hybrid system can send some power to the wheels and send the remaining power to the battery while the engine runs at efficient power band. Forth, the engine doesn't have to run at inefficiently slow speeds when you are stopped or in slow stop and go.
i wish they'd stop putting low profile tires on EVERYTHING. they are horrible for city roads especially if you live in an area with bad roads. which is most places in the US.
The way that is speced at 46k, is crazy expensive for what you get. Why not buy a long range model 3 for a little bit more if you are looking for something to save on fuel in that price range
Long term reliability is not one of Tesla's strong suits. It's all electronics. Build quality for Tesla's are... not great. They have amazing customer service as long as you're under warranty but after the 3-4 year mark, you're going to be a big spender should any damages occur. I like tesla vehicles and have wanted one before but getting one just isn't a wise choice. Also not all places have readily available EV charging points. (If they do, they're kinda slow) This is coming from a guy who lives in SF, Cali. Having physical recharging/fueling stations is a must. This is why a good zero emission alternative is hydrogen.
You can't compare the two. A Toyota driver would not choose a Tesla unless reliability isn't there concern. Also you can work on the Avalon if you choose to keep it long term. I love telsas but they're not right-to-repair friendly in the slightest.
@@MiguelRPD I’m not saying it from that angle personally, I just don’t get moving this high into a price point where you can move into an entry level Lexus or something else that can be tons nicer for not much more, especially since Lexus has Toyota reliability and way more of a luxury feel for the money (though no hybrid option that “cheap”)
@@Wasssup3232 I believe the Toyota has more options than the base es350 but I could he wrong. I did sit in an Avalon and it's very nice. It's maybe ... 85% of what the es350 feels as far as comfort/ride quality.
Who in their right mind would pay $47k for a TOYOTA?? Genuinely curious as the competition at that level is insane. Lexus, Infinity, BMW. This is literally at Tesla long range model 3 price point. This just seems so bland for so much money. I guess that’s why it’s being discontinued tho
LaCross Impala Taurus Maxima and now the Avalon... If you want a wide body sedan your practically being forced into the Dodge or VW dealership now >.>'
I bought this car brand new. Nothing but issues since I bought it. I always drive Fords. This will teach me!!! All the dash lights have been coming on sporadically since I bought it. My dash lights light up like a Christmas tree. I’ve taken it into the dealership 25 times at least and they tell me I drive with 2 feet making all the lights come on, which is a total line of BS to try to point the finger at me. Not happy with a 50k car!! Thank God I bought 5 year warranty!!!! Crap!!!!!!
generalist cars interiors are getting too good, i cant thing a reason to get an audi or mercedes anymore, if you can get cars like this, or the mazdas or an tellurade for much cheaper
JBL is piece of garbage speakers, Toyota is cheapo reapo. Toyota price of the vehicles is high but components inside the Toyota cars are not premium about them but cheapo reapo. I hate Toyota vehicles all poor design and styles. The front grill is just one good example all poor design and styles.
Great car if you want low profile luxury and quality. I would never let my wife/gf drive a blingy Lexus or German car with all the carjackings and lawlessness these days -- they're too much of a crime magnet!
I'd be very interested in a Camry or Avalon Hybrid with a V6 (300HP) and a *Regular* 7 speed automatic. Especially if that electric motor drove the rear wheels and gave the car AWD... They could use cylinder deactivation or something to make it run on 4cyl during cruising to achieve more efficiency. I cant stand the horrible drone of a CVT when you give it the beans and anything sub 250hp is gonna feel sluggish. This is why Hybrids have always been a no-go for me.
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In Canada we don't get the hybrid because Toyota sells less than 1,000 Avalons a year. I've seen more Lamborghinis on the road than Avalons
@@lukewalker1051 You just talked in a circle to say nothing.
Facts bro I see more lambos than avalons
Why
Yup. I have an Avalon and I’ve only seen 1 besides mine. In the GTA.
The hybrid Avalon might have sold well in Canada
Chris, This Avalon offers 43+ miles per gallon of pure class. As I recall, Charlie got 48 mpg on his 70 mph test loop. People should snap these up while they still can. At least we live in an age where consumers get advanced warning that models or options are coming to an end. I still find it amazing that a car the size of an Avalon can easily exceed the mpg of an ordinary Corolla, Civic or Elantra.
I was really surprised on that 48mpg number, it’s true this Avalon hits the mark. We have a Camry hybrid this week too, it’ll be interesting to compare 👍
@@TheTopher I will be anxiously waiting for your test results. Of course weather and driving conditions might impact the final result but I will be surprised if the Camry beats the Avalon. BTW did Charlie ever pay you back for the electricity he borrowed from your new charger? He left incriminating video evidence on his channel ;-)
@@rightlanehog3151 we see saw +40 mpg for 120 miles in our 2018 CT6 2.0E plug-in. Of course that was after the 46 miles in EV mode on battery. Bought new in 2020 for $38K with 575 miles. Ride quality that puts passengers to sleep on long drives and best driving in the segment!
If an Avalon is pure class, what is its ES Hybrid cousin? ES Hybrid is a much better buy. I get 43 MPG on mine. Better insulation, stiffer body (no rear folding seats)
I think the ES Hybrid is a better buy. Same MPG but better insulated and a touch nicer materials and build wise.
I drive a 2008 Lexus es350 and I'm definitely getting an Avalon whenever I have the money to do so. I love a big comfy road couch after a hard day of work.
I love the way u explained it👌😂
Escalade EXT is best
I'll forever be an Avalon Fan. Has always been my favorite car. And they knocked it out the park when they did this design.
I do like what the Avalon offers for sure. Personally I would still buy the V6, however I couldn’t fault people for choosing the hybrid. My 2006 Avalon is still going strong so no need for a new one :)
@@naveenthemachine so do I it’s one of the best engines you can get, but I understand why people get the hybrid. Personally, I’d rather spend a little more on gas and have the V6
Nobody cares
@@drunksquirrel2051 Yo it’s just 2 people talking about their cars why be a dick?
I’ve got the 21 Avalon xse nightshade love it to death. Great car
Just bought a 2006 with 150k miles and it's already throwing codes at me. Nothing wrong with the engine, just something about a purge valve and emissions.
Sad that Toyota discontinued this car. It used to be my dream car for a couple of years.
Well at least you’ll be able to get these used now in the future and wont have to worry about being outdated later down the road. They’re still amazing cars, the market for them just doesn’t exist anymore.
LOL! Did you think that Toyota would have discontinued Lexus ES 350 when you keep on comparing Avalon against it, LOL! Get real hater.
@@squidproquo2241 I- I’m not even a hater. I never even said Lexus ES 350 here. So what are you even on about?
Hater
@@rav4primexse "I- I’m not even a hater. I never even said Lexus ES 350 here. So what are you even on about?"
Here? So literal.
"Hater"
Don't worry. If you liked this car that much Lexus ES 350 Hybrid is still around you can still dream about it. Ah! You did not know about the ES 350 Hybrid, right.
Stop shedding alligator tears after the Avalon hater.
@@squidproquo2241 what are you even talking about?! I love the Avalon. I like the ES 350 as well. All I’m saying is that I wish Toyota didn’t discontinue it. I’m not even a hater of The Topher
I just test drove this last night and it was amazing! Felt sturdy and so comfortable. Man I wish their wasn’t a shortage right now. I could live with the grill even though it looks like it’s going to eat you
I have the same interior with white exterior and absolutely love it...... great car and my second Avalon. I was doing 100 down the freeway out west and didn't realize my speed and the JBL stereo is the best I've encountered in a car.... 18 speakers with 1500 watts - I've heard nuances in music that I've not noticed previously.... great great car!!!
14 speakers, 1200 watts.
We have a 2019 Avalon Touring with the 3.5 V6. It's such a great car, sad that they're discontinuing it.
Guess what. If you liked this car that much now you should seriously think about buying a Lexus ES350, it also has hybrid.
@@squidproquo2241 The ES is a great car, but we don't really need another big sedan. We're looking at the Lexus IS500 now.
@@thefatcatcompany2021 IS500? It is a performance sedan and a whole different platform. I think you are just babbling about Avalon and you are just a hater who is happy that this car is discontinued.
@@squidproquo2241 nigga what?
@@squidproquo2241 ?????
Why would we ever replace the Avalon?
I think even with the new compact SUVs a full-size sedan is far better!
At first I thought you were skipping the front grille during your initial walk around. Lol
the combined 245hp rating found in the highlander/sienna hybrids would have been nice on the venza/rav4. for my venza anyways, i would gladly take a small hit in mpg for more power.
Hi Chris, As always, a good, concise, and informative review. This old retired guy thinks he will keep his 2017 Camry LE.🙂 It still has only about 16000 miles on the odometer, and it is more than adequate for my Target run (3.4 miles roundtrip) and Aldi's run (5.6 miles roundtrip.) An observation: inflation seems to have really hit the motor vehicle market. Granted, my '17 Camry is the base model, but the MSRP was only $24204.00. The Avalon does have better fuel economy and is more "plush" but for me spending $43K+ to get it ain't worth it!
If you are thinking about selling it I would definitely sell it now
@@sybsygstgstsgysg5330 No doubt! It was a lease, and when the lease expired in May 2020 I exercised my option to purchase it outright for a no negotiating/bargaining cost of $14440 including tax. I have no idea what I could get for it if I tried to sell it, but think I will hang on to it.
@@071949 You could probably get a fantastic price. Many LEs with more mileage go over 20k
Love my 2018 Avalon limited I use for work. Its sad they are discontinuing it but that just means I need to make more money to get the Lexus ES
You could definitely get a used ES as good as new. But always good to make more, switching jobs frequently can result in drastic income increases
I have a 2006 XLS Avalon. 283000 miles and gets 31 mpg. Just follow the maintenance schedule and drive on.
I would love to be rich and buy cars like this. These look so fun to drive and are convenient.
looks like that the front and the rear of the Car are not from the same designer.
This toyota avalon is very spacy car nice interior & big head room and it looks beautiful from outside too
He played pretty Carolina!!! Thank u so much I liked immediately lol and you’ve got me hooked on that song
I want to see a mpg comparison b/w camey hybrid and avalon hybrid.
I think why this body style killed the Avalon. They made it too sporty looking for the old people who had been buying Avalon’s to like, and then the young people didn’t want to buy since it was a old person car resulting in no body buying it
The two tone interior looks good
3 colors in a way. Black, caramel, brown (wood)
Are where your knees rest padded? That's the mark of entry level luxury imo
I’m glad I out the 2021 Avalon I wish they still made it I love it ❤
I love the Avalon.
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I am very sad that Toyota is discontinuing the Avalon after the 2022 model year. :(
The rear trunk closing sound sounds so flimsy.
For these upper Avalon trims, would you say the materials build quality is comparable to a Lexus ES? I was comparing this to the Hybrid ES and I was wondering if the materials and the way it drives was comparable. Of course I am expecting that the ES is going to be a bit better, but I was wondering how this holds up.
Not as good. I own one of these.
Buy a 2005-2008 avalon for 5k or less instead lol, the 2gr fe engine is so good, 280hp out of the factory and it's very quiet and somewhat good on gas
Not the refresh 2011-12
Hi
Is it quieter than the ES300h?
Thank you!
My 2019 is due for lease turn in, in February. I’m thinking about jumping ship from Toyota to Lexus because the Avalon will be gone soon
What a bummer I was in the market to purchase an Avalon now I don’t think I would spend the money they are asking on one now. I will also give the Lexus some thought . People have always said the Lexus will cost a lot to maintain if something breaks. I don’t see why it would cost anymore to maintain than a new Camry. What are your thoughts?
@@naturelover2292 I’ve been told to take a Lexus to a Toyota dealership for repairs since they are related. Lexus being a higher end Toyota.
@@jhollie8196 Thanks! I think I will also give the ES a look, such a bummer that the Avalon is being discontinued. I don’t think I want to spend so much on a car that is EOL.
Surprising that luxo-boat doesn't have lane centering. My 2020 mid-level RAV4 has it.
It does
''its not necessarily quick'' but ample and easy to get on the highway'' =its quick enough
love how there's that little open compartment underneath the A/C controls where you can place your phone.
@thetopher how is the avalon compared to GX460 build quality and wind noise on the highway?
With the eCVT I'm guessing they rely completely on the motor for reverse? That's why it makes that noise every time right
Below certain speeds, there is a sound that is emitted to let pedestrians hear you. It makes a similar sound going forward until you hit about 20-25mph. I believe that is a federal requirement
What would you say is the difference between this and the Lexus ES that you drove recently?
Usually the Lexus Is a bit more refined and quieter.
Chris, Sorry to hog the whole Comments section but I just reviewed the video and made a startling discovery. At exactly 10:33 you can just barely hear the guy in the Ferrari saying "Ooooh, nice Avalon!!" .
I drove this back-to-back with the ES300H. The Avalon feels cheap next to the ES. Given how close in price they are, I suspect most buyers are going for the Lexus. I can't imagine most buyers of a larger luxury-ish sedan is stretching their budget to make $43k work, so the jump a few thousand up is probably just a blip on the radar. The Avalon is very nice, but the ES is much better around all the edges. Also, I had a whole bunch of lag with the Avalon infotainment, especially at boot (took about 20 seconds to warm up) though I didn't have that issue with the ES. I ended up buying the ES.
Go to edmunds they said the avalon has lexus quality materials with toyota pricing. This car does not feel cheap compared to lexus es. Now the Avalon can't compare to the lexus ls 500
@@ERogers-qn2sm The ES does feel much higher quality, but the Avalon is still a good choice.
They discontinued to give people the nudge to go Lexus and realistically a Camry is a suitable sedan for Toyo lineup! Smart business move as the electric revolution is in full swing! Sound move IMO…..
I have been in the market for this same Avalon and I agree about the price and you might as well go with the Lexus, but is it expensive to maintain the Lexus ES or is it just a myth? I have heard that the Lexus ES and the Avalon has the same motor and transmission is that true? I really don’t know if I would spend this kind of money on a car that I know they are discontinuing.
@@naturelover2292 It's not expensive to maintain the ES, especially since it can take regular fuel in both gas and hybrid versions
Great POV video - well done!
We just bought exactly same car awesome 🤩
I think Toyota need to streamline their products a bit, I’m not against offers and options but weighing ”why this car and not a Lexus?” (And vice versa) At times it feels Toyota is competing against itself with minute differences between models when said changes could’ve been offered in one and the same.
@@naveenthemachine Toyota owns Lexus, sooo.
Again I don’t mind options, but my question is what does Avalon offers Camry don’t and could those differences been offered in the Camry as a trim option? It just seems redundant having two models doing the same thing.
Has it occurred to you that when "Toyota is competing against itself," it always wins?
It’s not an issue except for the Avalon. Most people aren’t cross shopping most, and they have separate dealer networks.
"I think Toyota need to streamline their products a bit, I’m not against offers and options but weighing ”why this car and not a Lexus?” (And vice versa) At times it feels Toyota is competing against itself with minute differences between models when said changes could’ve been offered in one and the same"
Streamline? You mean like VW group does with Audi and VW, make Toyota's as cheap looking as possible without destroying the image, while you make Lexus the opposite so that people would think that they are different brands. You will never be satisfied if you buy a decent car under a Toyota brand as long as there is luxury brand sales another car on a similar platform with more luxury. Toyota is doing right, it is your perception messed up. Because you are far more brain washed by the bashing from the competition.
I haven;t met a Toyota owner who is complaining about Lexus making a luxurious version of their car or vice versa, It is the haters who chew that Toyota is competing with itself gum, all the time.
@@squidproquo2241 It’s quite apparent you have a different interpretation of ”streamline” than I do, and given your response you have already reasoned yourself that I’m stupid so regardless what I clarify it’d be just on deaf ears - so why bother trying. So if that’s your conclusion, then I’ll let you believe that.
The Avalon is a great car and I'm sad to see it go, as it goes to show that the full size sedan is starting to be a thing of the past. However, design choices like that extremely ugly front grill and pricing killed it in my opinion. For just a few thousand dollars more you can get the ES, which is better in every sense and they're finally improving the awful infotainment system. The ES is also the same architecture so you're getting just as much space with much better materials
Is the ES the same size?
@@Nirosha101 yes it’s on the same wheelbase system and they share many components
@@shaktinitschke I remember test driving the ES and felt the Avalon was more spacious in comparison. I remember feeling the Avalon was the most spacious sedan I’d ever been inside which is why I loved it so much and chose to buy one.
@@Nirosha101 the Avalon is a lil bigger but the LS is a bigger sedan
That 2.5 is a little rough sounding . Nice car though although I'm not a fan of their cvt . I think that I much prefer the Hyundai Kia system . I drive a Kia Niro Hybrid by the way and love it two years in . I live in Canada where Large sedans have become basically non entity . For a large car though though this thing excells at fuel economy .
Y U no show engine?
What a nice car...
Is it wireless CarPlay?
Avalon is just flagship of Camry, Lexus is the big brother
@@naveenthemachine A person could set their watch by your anti-Lexus B.S.
The Avalon and Camry are completely different cars.
The Avalon is also larger.
The Avalon was killing Lexus ES 350 sales: too much luxury for the price. I've gotten as much as 53 MPG at 65 MPG during Michigan summers: closer to 40 MPG on a very cold winter day. Checked out the new Crown, but it doesn't have the interior space , or excellent visibility or the Avalon. Coming out of a Tesla, so relieved to be free of range anxiety on trips to Florida especially.
Just curious, does this have the auto engine shut off when stopped for a certain amount of time?
It does not.@@kennyd2600
Bought the same 2021 Avalon hybrid limited and the driver door rattles like shit. The car has like 200 miles on it. Took it twice to the dealer to fix and they can’t find the problem. They told me to “drive the car more and see if the problem goes away” 😂
Go to a different Toyota dealer. Mine does the same. I got it repaired elsewhere and it was a bad speaker
@@2004cyrus do you also feel that the picture quality on the parking camera is really bad? Compared with like the cheaper Camry
@@patl2307 yes the resolution is poor on that infotainment screen.
How is the Volvo!? I hope you still have it?
Volvo is doing great! It’s getting a little TLC this week actually
What kind of watches do you wear?
Thank you!
20s Camry. 30s Avalon. 40s Lexus.
The interior on this is basically one step below that on a Lexus, especially in Cognac. Shame that the Avalon is dead after 2022.
You should do a Maxima next to compare
Maxima is going bye bye too
A 4-cylinder of Avalon off to a new one
Accelerating to a normal speed in EV mode with a non-plugin hybrid is EXTREMELY inefficient. Sure, the engine is off, but when you convert energy, you lose energy. No free lunch, as I like to say.
Your explanation has a flaw. A hybrid has a battery to assist the gasoline engine. With a full battery the conversion inefficiency will not effect the 0 - 60 times. After, the car reaches the travelling speeds the batteries are recharged. considering the average gas consumption and the performance, a hybrid car is far more efficient than an only gasoline engine car. If you tried to drive this Avalon with a gas only engine and achieved same mpg, your performance will be horrible. A Honda Accord Hybrid, for example, performs better and achieves better mpg with 2.0 liter engine than the 1.5 liter turbo engine alone Accord. Also this Avalon has a better gas mileage than non hybrid 2.5 liter Camry could have achieved with similar performance numbers.
Whether, you like it or not, hybrid system is more efficient than only gasoline engine application, especially, if you consider the performance factor.
@@squidproquo2241 I'm aware of that, but I'm talking about feathering the accelerator to get up to speed using only the batteries. That's where the conversion inefficiencies come into play. It's better to have the battery assist than have the battery alone accelerate the car.
@@aspecreviews "I'm aware of that, but I'm talking about feathering the accelerator to get up to speed using only the batteries. That's where the conversion inefficiencies come into play. It's better to have the battery assist than have the battery alone accelerate the car."
Performance wise yes. However, battery technology is not there yet to make full electric cars as efficient as the non hybrid or hybrid vehicles. Instead of trying to give a verdict by performance numbers, if you think doing that by using the principles of Thermodynamics you will realize that full electric mobile machines that carry their own energy source, is not that efficient with current technology.
One of the purpose of the hybrid battery is to capture energy that would otherwise be wasted as much as possible.
First, there is regen braking. Energy that would be lost to friction braking can be recovered to a degree minus some inefficiency.
Second, the engine can be optimized for more efficiency and less power in general. Also, the engine when running can be kept in ideal power band more often. That's why Atkinson engines are used here. The electric motor helps to fill in the few times you need more power by helping the gasoline engine.
Third, at moderate speeds when you don't need so much power, the hybrid system can send some power to the wheels and send the remaining power to the battery while the engine runs at efficient power band.
Forth, the engine doesn't have to run at inefficiently slow speeds when you are stopped or in slow stop and go.
i wish they'd stop putting low profile tires on EVERYTHING. they are horrible for city roads especially if you live in an area with bad roads. which is most places in the US.
how slow is it
Can you review the Toyota Camry 2021 V6
naveenthemachine has he stated this ?
The way that is speced at 46k, is crazy expensive for what you get. Why not buy a long range model 3 for a little bit more if you are looking for something to save on fuel in that price range
Long term reliability is not one of Tesla's strong suits. It's all electronics. Build quality for Tesla's are... not great. They have amazing customer service as long as you're under warranty but after the 3-4 year mark, you're going to be a big spender should any damages occur. I like tesla vehicles and have wanted one before but getting one just isn't a wise choice.
Also not all places have readily available EV charging points. (If they do, they're kinda slow) This is coming from a guy who lives in SF, Cali.
Having physical recharging/fueling stations is a must. This is why a good zero emission alternative is hydrogen.
You can't compare the two. A Toyota driver would not choose a Tesla unless reliability isn't there concern. Also you can work on the Avalon if you choose to keep it long term. I love telsas but they're not right-to-repair friendly in the slightest.
@@MiguelRPD I’m not saying it from that angle personally, I just don’t get moving this high into a price point where you can move into an entry level Lexus or something else that can be tons nicer for not much more, especially since Lexus has Toyota reliability and way more of a luxury feel for the money (though no hybrid option that “cheap”)
@@Wasssup3232 I believe the Toyota has more options than the base es350 but I could he wrong.
I did sit in an Avalon and it's very nice. It's maybe ... 85% of what the es350 feels as far as comfort/ride quality.
Because Tesla's can't hold a candle to Toyota's reliability
How does it drive compared to the V6 version with 301 horsepower?
Why is this CHEAPER and looks BETTER than LEXUS ES 350 ??
Will there be a Topher review for Ford Explorer?
outside looks just like a lexus IS or ES
Who in their right mind would pay $47k for a TOYOTA?? Genuinely curious as the competition at that level is insane. Lexus, Infinity, BMW. This is literally at Tesla long range model 3 price point. This just seems so bland for so much money. I guess that’s why it’s being discontinued tho
You are pretty much wrong in your analysis here.
@@2004cyrus care to explain why you should pay $47,000 for a slightly nicer Camry?
We need 3.5 V6 with electric motors making 350hp man...
Tell that to Toyota
Avalon get retired after 2022, this is weird
I am in the market for one just like this know Iam on the fence the price will have to be really really good for me to buy one now.
215hp and a CVT in a car this large? The exterior is nice though
That’s what I thought too, it feels more like 250hp because of the instant torque and response. Definitely quick enough!
Nah.
The Avalon is really no better than a Honda Accord 😆
Any accord is honestly better than any Avalon or es
@@competitiveautomotive5457
Lol no
It could benefit from the Highlander and Sienna 243hp hybrid system
@@competitiveautomotive5457 😂 I love accords so much especially the 2.0T but they’re not anywhere near as good as avalons or Lexus ES 😂
Which is this country.
Michigan, United States
@@donniefleuryy.29 thank you bro,for solving my doubt😍😍
@@albinbiju7464 np
Are you sure it’s Michigan? The roads are smooth.
@@vsrap71 😂😂😂Yes, I live in that area. Nice joke tho.
Id get an avalon as my first car
I wouldn’t. Lexus is way better and better cars for the same price.
Omg you talked?
No to EVs, yes to Hybrids.
Such a shame that the 2022 will be the last year.
LaCross
Impala
Taurus
Maxima
and now the Avalon...
If you want a wide body sedan your practically being forced into the Dodge or VW dealership now >.>'
С нашими зарплатами и ценами, можно только постоянно покупать и менять велосипед и то простой дорожный, горные тоже очень накладно.
I bought this car brand new. Nothing but issues since I bought it. I always drive Fords. This will teach me!!! All the dash lights have been coming on sporadically since I bought it. My dash lights light up like a Christmas tree. I’ve taken it into the dealership 25 times at least and they tell me I drive with 2 feet making all the lights come on, which is a total line of BS to try to point the finger at me. Not happy with a 50k car!! Thank God I bought 5 year warranty!!!! Crap!!!!!!
Pressing both pedals at once can cause problems. Also, the dash lights are supposed to turn on briefly when you start the car
Leather interiors are a deal breaker for me, absolutely not in my country's scalding hot weather. It is so unique though
That 4-cylinder engine does sound harsh, and the CVT just makes me cringe.
It’s amplified by the Binaural audio, not that loud in real life. And the eCVT is nowhere as bad as a standard CVT
do i live you with forza?
The camera skips the front grill :) It's probably one of the ugly ones from Toyota.
in sweden we get boring models like chr and rav4 only for the soccer moms
It looks like the Hybrid Toyota Corolla Altis
in terms of exterior
generalist cars interiors are getting too good, i cant thing a reason to get an audi or mercedes anymore, if you can get cars like this, or the mazdas or an tellurade for much cheaper
The end....
nice
the rear looks really ugly..dint expect it froom a 2021 toyota
JBL is piece of garbage speakers, Toyota is cheapo reapo. Toyota price of the vehicles is high but components inside the Toyota cars are not premium about them but cheapo reapo. I hate Toyota vehicles all poor design and styles.
The front grill is just one good example all poor design and styles.
Don’t really care for that interior color.
Thanks to Audi, Merc and so on we will never get to drive these cars in europe
You’re welcome
Nice car but seems gutless.
JUST GET A LEXUS
Very dated now Toyota needs to up the bar
Great car if you want low profile luxury and quality. I would never let my wife/gf drive a blingy Lexus or German car with all the carjackings and lawlessness these days -- they're too much of a crime magnet!
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The grill is just HORRIBLE!!!!!
I'd be very interested in a Camry or Avalon Hybrid with a V6 (300HP) and a *Regular* 7 speed automatic. Especially if that electric motor drove the rear wheels and gave the car AWD... They could use cylinder deactivation or something to make it run on 4cyl during cruising to achieve more efficiency.
I cant stand the horrible drone of a CVT when you give it the beans and anything sub 250hp is gonna feel sluggish. This is why Hybrids have always been a no-go for me.
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