SEC Insider Exposes TRUTH About Clemson & FSU Joining | Conference Realignment | SEC | BIG10 | BIG12
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
- Is the SEC about to get even bigger? An SEC insider spills the tea on the rumors of Clemson & FSU joining the conference! This insider reveals the TRUTH about the potential impact, the behind-the-scenes drama, and what it means for the future of college football. Buckle up, college football fans - this is one you won't want to miss! #SECExpansion #Clemson #fsu
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As an LSU fan, I wouldn't mind having FSU and Clemson in the SEC from a football standpoint
but would you want FSU in the SEC because how problematic they can be, always wanting more money?
@EyeOfTheWatcher I think regardless of where they go financially, it'll be an upgrade from the ACC
@@EyeOfTheWatcher I challenge that accusation as a false narrative. I don't think FSU is all about always wanting more money. They were independent and then faithful to the ACC since their admission into that conference. On the other hand -- look at Texas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma -- particularly Texas. Please...
@@EyeOfTheWatcher are you dumb by birth or did your parents just drop you as a baby?
Y’all were happy to take Texas and Oklahoma who just wanted more money.
FSU in the ACC is making less than half of the money SEC and Big10 schools (including bums like Vandy and Northwestern) are making, it’s ridiculous and any other blue chip program in the country would want to leave.
@@polarissilvertree 💯
I like this Jamie guy, not because he said nice things about FSU but because he sounds like he’s extremely well informed & gives serious thought to who should go where & why.
I’m gonna check out his channel. Thanks for bringing him on the show!
It’s not true, Clemson’s TV ratings are top15 in the country.
The truth is Clemson's TV market (Greenville, Spartanburg-Asheville) is the 36th largest in the country and covers the Upstate of SC, Western NC and Northern Georgia). Columbia SC is 40 spots back at number 76
Appreciate the mention of Auburn as a welcoming SEC community. It is. Auburn truly is a lovely village on the plains. Such friendly, welcoming people.
Missouri belongs in the Big.
Appreciate the WVU mention. I think our fans would love it too. It was great going to and hosting SEC schools coming to Morgantown for games. Would love to have the Gamecocks on the schedule.
I add both VT and west Virginia
I am looking forward for the Arizona schools going to West Virginia, since the Arizona schools has been vocal about not wanting to travel to Morgantown.
I actually have at least in the first phase of realignment as it stands now UNC/Clemson to the SEC. FSU/Miami to the BIG 10. I can see FSU in the SEC; however, FSU I have learned will battle. This just my opinion, I think in their minds they remember the playoff snub, and if they get the chance to go to Fox Sports they will.
USC is scared that if Clemson had SEC money that they would reel off 10+ wins in a row. Its quite possible, Clemson has every other advantage you can think of.
Duh.....
Can't wait for FSU and Clemson to be in the SEC.
I don’t know where he’s getting his data. FSU and Clemson both average double the viewers that UVA and UNC bring. Do you think advertisers want potential viewers are guaranteed viewers. I can guarantee ESPN doesn’t want to lose the Greenville/Atlanta/Charlotte viewers that Clemson carries to Fox.
Agreed but I’m not sure you lose out if you leave out Clemson. UGA will carry the Atlanta market. UNC probably carries a large part of the Charlotte market. You are really comparing the fraction of GSA to another market like Miami. But what do I know.
@@bspr9062 it’s not that those schools carry the market for those areas because they do I agree, but Clemson has a sizable minority base there, it’s the fact that they would be giving Fox one of the most loyal and consistent college football tv markets. Also….you think after 5 years of schools like UVA and UNC getting boat raced on a weekly basis in the SEC theyre gonna bring over the more than double of those viewers in “prospective” markets it would take to equal Clemson’s? I don’t. ESPN wouldn’t own whatever time slot Clemson is playing in at that point. Especially if they’re playing any of the Big 10 powerhouses on a given day. I’m sure there are loads of people that can’t wait to see UVA and USC trade blows though. 😂
Tennessee here.......come on over! It fits and will be fun!!
South carolina belongs in group of 5, perìod, football wìse.
What makes this guy an “insider” ? Looks like another UA-cam fanboy with an opinion to me
Hey! We hate the SEC! We hate Disney, we hate ESPN, we hate the College Football Playoff Committee. We want to join the B1G. Thats what is best for us. Go Noles ------;;--->
Great talk and good insight. I’m an Ole Miss fan but have been watching all your videos. What I can’t figure out is why some of our podcast at Ole Miss are talking about adding Kansas to the SEC. WTH???
Because that’s the rumor going around
@@Drollpanther makes zero sense to add the, to the SEC. I’d rather have duke.
thanks for the WVU love, much appreciated
Wvu fits the sec. Country music, southern culture, love college sports.
Plus they are mostly below the Mason Dixon line making them southern.
See you soon Notre Dame! I am inevitable.
Sincerely,
The Big Ten
Notre Dame has always been a parasite, preying on smaller conferences to park their "other" sports. It will take the Big 10/SEC to stop scheduling them to forced them to join a conference. They are the best at playing people against each other.
We shan't sleep tonight
With streaming tv , markets are irrelevant. Big10 needs the southern footprint. Most fellow Clemson fans favor B10. Asking the Lamecocks about taking anyone is like asking Joes grocery store about taking Walmart
Big 10 is a national brand with better academics. This is the better path for the Noles. Upside to the SEC is travel proximity. Either way leaving the ACC is a win.
Big 10 academics premium is rapidly eroding as southern and southwestern schools as a whole are rising up, and rising fast, academically, while the northern schools are suffering from long term adverse effects of DEI weirdo BS that successful minded students are running from (along with the cold weather). (Almost all my friends who ventured south from the north have chosen to remain in the south. The quality of life is just better. And families are sending their kids to southern schools for all the right reasons.
Culture killed football in the Pac12. It is threatening the same in the Big10 - watch out.
Everyone has a computer
@@CharlesFosterMalloy Right, because the South is the intellectual powerhouse of the nation 😂
@@RoscoPColtrane17states like Texas, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina and Virginia are outpacing the Midwest and California in population growth, technological innovation and sound politics. The top programs administrators in the ACC knows this ( unlike yourself) and would choose the SEC over big.
@@ronelite582 Florida isn’t the south lol. Most of Georgia is in the toilet, Virginia isn’t in the SEC, and growth doesn’t equal assets. So many top Universities in the Big 10. NW, Maryland, Michigan, USC, Illinois, UCLA, Washington are all great programs. You’re near the Futures Market if you go to NW. Who is in the SEC? Vandy and UF?
Why doesn’t the SEC grab all four, fsu, Clemson, North Carolina, and one other. It would level out the team ratio with the big 10. The big ten will probably grab two schools like Miami or duke or Georgia tech which would bring them to 20.
FSU would prefer the B10 so as long as the B10 wants FSU it is not the SECs decision
@@nole74 idk if the big 10 wants fsu. Miami would provide them a much larger tv market. Miami is a huge city. Then there’s the AAU stuff…
@@user-ub1yf2px8pmiami has way less views than fsu! The city doesnt mean squat they dont watch the canes!
@@SurferRC True Miami can barley fill that stadium
Appreciate the WVU mention as a two-time alum from there. It’s a special place and a rabid fan base. It would fit (btw I currently work at Mississippi State so very familiar with SEC)
Good show TJ. I liked your guest's perspectives. I share a lot of his thoughts on everyone except Duke. I think SEC would add Kansas over Duke, and perhaps WVU over both of them.
#1 SEC pick has got to be FSU.
#2 is Clemson.
#3 is either UNC or, as he mentioned late: NCSt.
Certainly NCSt over Duke.
Duke is more of an ACC privates (a group that may grow in numbers with additions of Tulane and Rice (outside chance: Liberty & Tulsa).
Otherwise, if the ACC privates do not hold as a New Ivy League, then I see Duke in either the Big12 or AAC or BigEast.
There is no reason why Duke could not be another TCU, but so far they just haven't done it. All the big privates except ND, TCU, Baylor, BYU have suffered of late, and that includes USC & MIA in the latter category.
Neither Vanderbilt nor Northwestern would be added to their respective conferences today if not already members, though Northwestern posts better media numvers than does Vandy. Vanderbilt needs to get their athletics (football, basketball) chit together like they have their academics. Would SEC kick them out ? No. But if revenue sharing model changes, they could and should get hosed. And that's unnecessary as Vandy has to sell what other don't - an Ivy League quality education, same with Duke, Wake, BC, ND, Tulane, SMU, to some extent, MIA, and fast rising to that status are: TCU, Baylor. Many would argue BYU meets that standard. There's no reason those schools could not all be TCUs/NDs in football as well as athletics, but for this new paradigm shift - required compensation of athletes as either employees or independent contractors.... or is it ... really ?
Tallahassee also heavily recruits Georgia and Alabama
Nobody going to make a billion dollar decision based on Alabama bumass recruiting. 😂
Why would FSU join the SEC when ESPN just shunned them? Plus, you would be in competition with 2 powerhouses in Georgia & Alabama? I could see 4-6 ACC teams joining the Big 10. (Clemson, Duke, FSU, North Carolina & more?)
Yes, the reason the gamecocks have never really competed, is because they’re in the SEC 😅😅😅😅. This guy is completely delusional. I get he’s a gamecock homer, and that’s fine, but to say Clemson isn’t at the top with FSU in terms of revenue, and ratings, is showing obvious bias. I honestly don’t care if we go to the Big 10 or SEC, but to act like Clemson would be at the level of mediocrity as USC, is just not using logic or reason, especially given the fact that SC has competed in the easier side of the conference and unable to do much in that spot.
Cue Country Roads! Ole Miss fan here …..thand make a fun venue🎉
As a gamecock I’m fine with both Clemson and FSU joining the SEC and was previously against. These are both state schools and the presidents make the decision. I can bet these presidents don’t want to go in front of their state houses and tell why they didn’t vote for another state school to get more money. We’re not talking about small differences but huge.
That bridge has been burned. FSU B10 bound.
@@brothermouzone1307lol 😂 no they’re not old boomer.
If the SEC is so good how come 1 team dominated for a decade
What are you talking about in the last decade GA 2x NC, LSU 1x NC and of course bama 3x NC.... That's nor including Auburn wining it just before the playoff
Of course what Bama did was incredible, but whoever was winning the SEC was generally winning the NC
Imagine an NFL where one division was holding 6 of the last 10 super bowl champs
Not to mention since 2000, roughly 70% of all 1st round draft picks have come from the SEC.....
Thank you for talking about conference realignment from the lens of an SEC perspective. I’m a B1G fan personally but I think the conversation about FSU to the B1G is too myopic.
The SEC has schools that they want too and the SEC is thinking about revenue disparities too. Whenever the ACC starts to come apart, the SEC & B1G are going to have a feeding frenzy.
What none of us (including all of the ACC schools) knows is how many schools each conference wants to add. I personally suspect that the SEC is looking to add 4 schools and the B1G is thinking about adding 6.
But even they aren’t sure which ones they will end up with when this is all said and done…
Lifelong fsu fan here. The SEC probably makes more sense. But I truly despise that league. Given the choice I’d rather go big10. But I could get used to the sec. I suppose. I just hate them. Hate them.
WVU is a top 30 brand in almost every metric. Huge southern fan base. We would love the invite.
Greenville SC is the number 4 TV market in college football. Behind only Columbus Ohio, Tuscaloosa, and Atlanta. Columbia, SC isn't in the top 25.
UF and Georgia always voted against FSU joining...Even Spurrier said why would I want to have to play FSU twice...regular season and SEC championship
Why is SC involved here? They are a bottom feeder in the SEC. They have no effect on what Clemson and FSU do in most years regardless of which conference. They have never won anything much in football. The SC guy acts like his team is really important, but everyone knows that is ridiculous. This is intended as fact. I do respect his opinion however.
The Gators would not stand for The A&M disrespect. They'll take The Big Ten money in a heartbeat. Not only is the money and academics better, but Florida would own a share of The Big Ten Netowrk, which beats getting a check from an unstable ESPN. 😂
BET! Gooooo Bluuuuuueeeeee Baby!
It’s not up to UF. Thou you can keep the SEC & not worry about us joining. We’re headed to B1G. See you soon😊
South Carolina gets no say IMO. They haven't done squat since joining the SEC. The worst addition to the SEC in my lifetime in terms of what they have brought to the table.
Arkansas was a bad add too
In terms of football maybe but in other sports no, baseball they’ve consistently been one of the best programs
@@batmangummies5393 fair point
I think Vanderbilt would be easily the worst SEC pga
@@edl7454 vandy was a founding member though not an expansion
I’m sorry but what Clemson or FSU fan gives a shit about playing Rutgers, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern when all they have is Ohio State and Michigan from a football standpoint?
Florida wouldn’t stand for fsu or miami in the SEC. Don’t see it ever happening. They do not want to recruit against in-state rivals who are also in conference. That being said, the college football landscape has changed so dramatically in the past few years, who knows what could happen.
I've heard the argument that South Carolina doesn't want Clemson in the SEC because it would level the playing field for the Tigers. That's laughable. Since the Gamecocks have been in the SEC they are 11--20 against Clemson. It doesn't matter ---the Clemson/ SC rivalry is pretty lopsided. SC is 20--36==4 against the Tar Heels.
FSU and UF play each other every year dude. South Carolina and Clemson play every year. You can’t get any equal playing field than that. Let’s disregard the facts and keep the clickbait clicking on full charge.
C’mon TJ, as a Gator. I really don’t think UF is terrified of FSU in the league. They look at it as a zero sum. They look at LSU and UGA seem to benefit from being the only school. But truthfully most Gators are ok with FSU. UF (and FSU) fans feel there are too many major schools in the state and don’t want Miami and UCF just to get it down to a 2 school state.
Nope! UNC, GT and UVA are definitely Big Ten bound if The ACC implodes.
Bro why do u think Florida st going to sec, they hate ESPN, it’s already done sir they going to big ten. Don’t u k ow that
Where is your authority on this because it sure as hell is NOT fact at all.
FSU, Clemson, Miami to Big Ten. Notre Dame to Big Ten. Maybe Utah +1 more out West. 24 teams max.
Lol. What's wrong w Mizzou!?
FSU and Clemson to b10.
Unc, uva, vt, and ncst to sec with varying degrees of reduced payouts (only unc gets a full share).
Spocken like a true Gamecock 😂 he obviously has never looked at viewership numbers. Clemson and FSU draw way more eyeballs than any other team in the ACC and it isn’t even close.
Midwest is not as friendly as the South , so I see there point about Mizzou
As this southern rags on Mizzou and the midwest. Real nice guy he is
The Gators already triple dog dared The SEC and ESPN to invite FSU. The Gators will leave to The Big Ten if that ever happens. They're no cowards. You're not going to Texas A&M them. 😂
You lost me when you claim UNC brings more value than Clemson. Certainly not for football, they do in basketball but bball matters very little in revenue value.
73-43. Yikes.
Clemson brings a lot more to the SEC than UNC or UVA. If the SEC expands +2 the no brainer is FSU and Clemson.
You mean Clemson and someone else. FSU B10 bound.😂
@brothermouzone1307 you full of crap.
UNC brings way more as an international brand for sure
Tulane is a sleeping giant in this all.
Go NOLES The Climb Trust Coach Norvell 🔥🏈🏆
Fsu does not feel like a sec school. It might have in the mid nineties. It does not now. It feels more of a big ten school. Clemson seems more sec to me. I look at if it’s a good actual school it doesn’t fit the sec. If a school cares more about football then a students education they are a sec school. If a school cares about football but also wants their students to get a great education. It’s more a big ten school.
TJ, seriously, how do you sit there with a straight face and agree with this guy that Clemson doesn’t bring eyeballs? You know damn well that they do. You’ve seen the ratings, and know they’re generally top 15, and more often than not, top 10. I get he’s a guest, but you need to call bs when bs is clearly presented.
If you don’t have AAU status,forget about the Big
$$$$ trumps aau status
Clemson has ran circles around Carolina for so long that this dude is delusional
An SEC fan with a brain…wow!
I have to disagree Missouri belongs in the SEC
It's crazy to me that people like UF fans would rather see the rivalry die than to have their rival join their conference.
That rival had an opportunity to join but chose the easier championship path. Bowden admitted as much
@xosuper9193 that's such a worn out argument and frankly it's not valid enough to justify ending long standing rivalries like that. There is so much realignment going on that it is ridiculous to think that FSU should just stand back and not better themselves while the CFB world narrows down to two main conferences and everyone else just becomes low teir programs. Be realistic.
@@css31069 no I totally agree. I was just pointing out that this wouldn't be an issue if bowden wasn't chicken in the 90s about joining. I'd like to see clemson, fsu, unc, and maybe va tech or someone join up. But fsu and uf play every year while not in same conference. Using that as a leverage point in a complaint is a weird angle.
@@xosuper9193 I could get behind that.
Yes Bobby said that but 99% of the fans don't know why he said that and what was going on behind the scenes at the time. It was nothing but a rationalization to try and explain why we joined the ACC.
The driving force behind joining the ACC was the revenue produced by the NCAA basketball tournament.
Our president, our athletic director, and our booster president all were in Bobby's ear the entire time.
They also played on Bobby's emotions about getting screwed by Alabama for the head coaching job.
They convinced him that joining the ACC would be better and THEN he began to realize it would be an easier path to a national championship so he agreed on the decision.
Now you know the facts.
Bobby wasn't afraid of anybody dude he is the man that coined the phrase any team anytime anywhere. That is how FSU made its bones by playing the best teams in the nation and beating them.@xosuper9193
lol "Clemson doesn't add anything." What exactly has SC added in football? A 1969 ACC title? Yearly matchups of Clemson-Georgia or Alabama or Tennessee or Auburn draws viewers. FSU does the same thing. UNC does not.
Does not make any sense for Florida State to go to the SEC. FLORIDA STATE IS BETTER IN THE BIG TEN.
Nope we better in the SEC
Naw Big 10 me. We don't want nothing to do with espn. Yea it a be cool playing in Baton Rouge at night or going to Tennessee or Bama. But espn ruined that . Plus Fox and Big 10 treat us like a real partner compared to espn
@@MarkeeCrenshaw Yes sir, you are correct.
@@tedharris8244 Nope Big Ten and fox pays more.Sec do not respect FSU.
UVA? Why would anyone want a Vandy?
As a big follower of SEC sports, fans of all the other 15 schools would fight to keep Vanderbilt in the league. Nashville is by far the most favorite city for fans of other schools to visit, and thousands have moved there. I saw where there are more Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Kentucky, Georgia, and Florida alums living in the Nashville metropolitan market than there are Vanderbilt alums. The conference places its Men's Basketball Tournament in Nashville, and it had its football media event there last year. And, with Texas playing at Vanderbilt in October, get ready to see 30,000 Longhorns' fans hit Nashville and have a major party in the downtown nightlife stops the Friday before that game. And, they will be barely noticeable, because there will be 50,000 non-football fans in Stetson hats like there are many nights in the Las Vegas of the South.
For disclosure purposes, I fled Nashville 22 years ago like Oliver Wendell Douglas fled New York. My Hooterville is rural Benton County on the Tennessee River.
I was going to point out that S.C didn't play the best of the SEC every year, but then looked at their 2024 schedule. Wow, they better hope that Clemson joins the SEC because they need to find some wins somewhere. The only P5 game they have a chance to win is Vandy this year.
Please, South Carolina, come up and play in the B1G and see how it is...😂😂😂Gooooo Bluuuuuueeeeee Baby!
So this dude really think they all going to the SEC , man please some are but some going to the big ten to man.
These teams will go to the big 10 because it's a better conference in major city and they have way more moneyabd tradition over the sec
In what world is the big 10 a better conference? Haha
Do not ignore the academic advantages to FSU of hanging with the B1G. FSU administrators have been pro B1G for a long time, even though fans wanted the SEC. Since the playoff snub, as you certainly know, there is now a lot of fan bitterness toward EPSN and the SEC.
Does Duke basketball really add enough to make up for Duke football?
You been reading too many message board theories LOL
@@tedharris8244 theories about what? That FSU fans are really not happy with ESPN and the SEC? So you discount what the overwhelming number of fans at FSU fan sites are irrelevant.
Or are you saying that FSU administrators have not been openly hoping that affiliating with the B1G will help the academic standing of FSU?
Take off the hater rose colored glasses. What’s Clemsons record vs SEC since 2013
TAR HEELS!!!!!
Forget the sec!
Southern Schools are a 4 year community college, FSU what's more, National brand, AAU status, Growth in there brand, National and Global students,and local region also, growth in campus and city, growth in business, it's more than football too, just not the cake, icing too
So what did he expose? nothing new. The SEC is as top heavy of a conference that there is. Alabama, Georgia, sometimes LSU & thats it. The media is allied with the SEC in order to hype that bloated conference. Texas joined and the SEC has suppressed their program. Ole Miss, S.Carolina, Vanderbilt, Miss St, uk, mizzou, Tenn, Auburn, nobody is scared to play these teams.
Don’t try to sell it to us down here. Sell it to Fox. They’re suppose to be the B1G ally in the media. LOL.
The numbers actually speak for themselves over the past 2 decades but let’s disregard the facts.
The last 2 decades state Alabama and Georgia. Don't forget the decade before Nick Saban.
You add Nick Saban made UGA his bitch. What is the SEC?
@@brothermouzone1307 2 decades is 20 years. LOL. 14 national championships in football by 5 different SEC schools. And you ask what is the SEC? If you have to ask, never mind. This is for football fans.
@@brothermouzone1307 it's only been Alabama or Georgia and sometimes LSU
The least of UF worries. B10 bound.
Sorry fellas, FSU will NEVER Get an invite to the SEC… They already have the flagship University. Period. End of discussion.
Next most likely adds are UNC + UVA. That’s it.
You two guys ain't said shit!t to move the needle. You keep telling us the SEC is the best thing since sliced bread but they only play each other. We are tired of them and tired you being their cheerleaders.
If Clemson Joined the SEC, South Carolina would be just as bad as Vandy.
You are not going anywhere for several years.
Stop with WVU getting an SEC invite. It'll never happen, especially after the way the fan base went after LSU the season they got stomped by them at home.
If the SEC adds UNC and Va the entire Confederate Union is back together. Is the South gonna rise again through sports? Interesting.
Wouldn't matter anyway. The SOUTH lost regardless. Lol
The peacocking from shit teams in the SEC is comedy. They only have to play 8 games in conference anyway.
No mention of Miami ? Wait till the U destroys the Gators and FSU. This is Miami's year.
Not even 30 seconds in and spouting bs lies lmao. Uf doesn't care what fsu does lol.
If fsu joined sec when invited they would have 0 natty rn
Please. Didn’t we beat the best SEC team in our last Natty? I seem to remember Aurburn losing.
@@aaronrowe1823 congrats on beating one team. An entire schedule where you don't have bye weeks against trash would def take its toll
Clemson and FSU to BIG12. B1G and SEC do not need them. Too many other great Teams available UVA, ND, UNC, Duke, Miami, Stanford, Cal, etc.
You lost me when you mentioned "great teams available" outside Florida State and Clemson
😅😅😅😅😅😅. That is the most ridiculous thing I’ve read on the internet today.
Show me the money! B10 bound.
Go Noles!
Let's Go!
@@brothermouzone1307 I don't think the Big Ten or SEC is going to bite. FSU is in serious trouble.
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 put the bottle down dude
The Gators already triple dog dared The SEC and ESPN to invite FSU. The Gators will leave to The Big Ten if that ever happens. They're no cowards. You're not going to Texas A&M them. 😂
The Gators are members of the AAU. The Big 10 would love them.