the weakness of space istar in looping is that her NP animation is the slowest 1. Kama: 1st anc 7s and her 3rd anc:8.5 s 2. Davinci lily: 9.5 s 3. Musashi: 10s 4. Muramasa: 10s 5. Space istar: 11.5 s
If you're having ANY problem with any of those servants, just remember you can always put a plugsuit + Waver, Tamamo or (my personal favorite) Nero Bride and that should do it.
Me an Intellectual : #1 Chen Gong seriously he so fun to loop just double castoria with paracelcus and your gucci though it requres heavy investments like 100 grail him but the dmg is so Good compared to a np1 Spishtar though np2 spishtar might be better but dont know if servant dmg calcu is 100% accurate. I still think chen gong is good for farming rather than spishtar cause of her animation is too long though one might argue that animation of your gong victims might take more time but idk. Anyway thanks for the list
The best art looper is the one you've got. As far as I'm concerned Zerker Musashi and Spishar do not exist. NP2 Rider Vinci on the other hand has been putting in a lot of work already. Her charging the rest of the team's NPs on top of refunding her own allows for some pretty interesting setups that wouldn't be practical otherwise. I think she's really good but probably struggles farming neutral nodes at NP1 to be fair. Now to save for Castoria!
Musashi's clearly the best because she has a jet ski. Although, for real, I've found it more consistent to loop with NP2 Musashi compared to NP2 Sp. Ishtar. Not sure why.
As one who spent 1300 sq just to get NP1 Summer Musashi, I agree with her placement. I can't wait for Castoria. I'm currently 3-turn Skadi looping with an NP1 Spishtar. My dream is to loop with Hokusai, because Hokusai is wife I mean life
When it comes to "LOOPING", Surfer Mo-chan is definitely up there in the top 5 arts loopers. Np gain of .71% + 3t 30% arts buff + 5hits AoE NP. Even against berserker enemies, she can fill up to 75-85% with just UmuBride's and waver's buffs in my experience. And if she lacks dmg for overkill, I can just use Plugsuit and add Tamamo, Lan Ling or Paracelsus in the team.
Best Arts looper will be Percy. This coming from a straight dude, thick thighs save lives and Percy is a 4 star spooker, loops like crazy, and can be an upgraded George when you need it
The only weakness about Spishtar is that long ass NP Animation (Lasagna give us NP Skip/speed up this anniversary) And Summer Kama isn't a bad looper, 4 hits on a 0.5% is good, not to mention that 50% Battery and really high ATK stat too... tho I do believe Muramasa suffers due to low damage in mid waves
wait a second....why is summer kama being penalised for her lower np per atk charge generation? Even though summer kama has a 0.52 np charge atk and space ishtar has a 0.69 np charge atk, summer kama has 4 hits on her arts np while space ishtar has 3 hits on her arts np. Which means if you're solely looking at np refunds from just firing off your np and looping, then summer kama is equal or slightly better than space ishtar.
Glad I somehow stumbled my way into getting np4 melt, 2 musashi, and 3 spishtar. Now I can use any choice of my waifus Probably going to go from muramasa in the future
They way I measure true NP gain is multiply the number of hits by the Np gain stat. So the average would be a 3 hit .5-.6 NP gain stat. Making it about 1.5-1.8 being the average.
My number one Art looper will always be Percival. He's got a Art and 2 NP Strength up, pretty good NP gain, and survivability for days. And when you see those muscles, you know where he puts all that HP
So people still get angry over lists and/or tier lists? Man, internet has blown everybody's ego into wild proportions that nothing is true other than our own opinions huh. Also, if your f2p or low spender, it doesn't matter who is better. Just work with what you have.
I don't get the locking loopers at NP1, but then putting Rider Da VInci so high. People often overstate loopers needing to be NP2 or higher, but my experiences with NP1 Da Vinci is her damage is too low outside caster nodes to reliably kill even though she can loop her NP. Plus, the cost of an NP1 SSR is roughly the same as an NP2 SR, so Id at least count the SRs as NP2. Also, neither Kiara even got mentioned IIRC when I'd probably have Summer Kiara in my top 5. And even as a Rin stan, I'd probably put Kama at 1 and Spishtar at 2, even though I'd recommend pulling Spishtar more because she can work outside of arts looping.
@@alb7466 1.5% vs. .8%, or roughly double the chance of the right SSR. It's a coinflip, but you should evaluate it based on the math which says cost of an NP2 SR is close enough to NP1 focus SSR to make for the more legitimate comparison. This is also the methodology a lot of tier lists/comparisons use. The units are even roughly designed by DW with that in mind.
I have Da Vinci lily on jp and her biggest issue is the lack of good damage multipliers on her kit so her damage is really low compared to other 5 stars.
I have all of the the loopers that are available on NA, and will probably summon for the other two in the future. When I was farming for gears for SpIshtar before Saber Wars, had to use my NP1 Musashi Zerker. And her S2 is lvl 6, so her np gain is still lower. Despite that, tried to do the best I could to farm with her. I think I gave up in the end, and went with my usual Arash, Bunyan, and aoe servant (which was Raikou) for farming.
Got Da Vinci Lily to NP2 and decided to just drop all of my fous and also grail her to 100 and pretty much a mainstay in most of my team since I like her ability to easily gain NP Gauges easily. Also added da vinci command code on her 1st arts card to amplify np strength by 15% which is useful on brave arts chains + np. Currently has an HP of 17460 and ATK of 13913.
im lucky for having mushi, castoria and Space Ishtar honestly, but i dont have materials for my ishtar yet so im still using mushi, my ishtar skills are still 3/3/3 and she doesnt have any fous so yeah big sad
Terrible refund compared to the 5 mentioned here, needs plug suit paracelsus or higher np. (Also needs append skill somewhat maxed) If it's np2, almost all servants can loop without any assistance
@@jeanniemaycrawford4466 all loopers also struggle immensely at np1 space ishtar more so than others actually. S.Kiara also doesn't need plugsuit at np1 or at all at higher np lvls or append ntm has higher wave 3 dmg than ishtar. Ishtar is best cause she is more consistent for irregular nodes that are common in future lottos. But thats only if she is np2 or higher since her dmg is not actually as cracked as everything thinks. On an unrelated note: S.kiara doubles as not only top 3 loopers but an insane cq user as she she has massive op skills specifically the first and third with low cd that boost dmg and support.
@@celsosousamendonca4738 Oh yea for sure esp amazing dmg wise if you have the special atk on burned enemies CE with the burn CC or honestly just using her bond ce. She is far more overpowered than a lot of servants. She works great as a dps, support, and soloist/clutch character but because the game is basically an np simulator, your average fgo player doesn't rly goes in depth with the gameplay outside killing things fast not that i blame them. Game is just made to focus more on story and jpeg collection anyway.
Spishtar does more damage than Kama with Oberon even if her s3 misses and Kama charms(Kama can miss charm a little less often or more often depending on the enemy servant) 🐒wich is a bigger problem since you loose 150% special np damage (85-100k less damage) compared to losing 15k-20k for Spishtar all I see is people praising kama because of her better np gain, like you have issues looping with Spishtar 😅
To be fair, with a MLB Painting Summer and managing to get her arts buff, Spishtar can refund 49% with her Regen in farming even without arts supports so... Yeah, no real issue
@@KizNoir yup, people saying Kama is better either like her more as a character(Sakura fans, and let's be honest she's sexier), or don't have Spishtar Summer Kama is to Spishtar like what Valkyrie is to Parvati, Valks have better np gain but that doesn't matter most of the time
cmon, anyone with oberon absolutely will hit harder and that's if you pair her with oberon, we're talking about each ability to loop here, which one refunds higher or lower, besides if you really want big np damage you can always get np2 or more, you're really missing the point when people say summer kama is better in arts looping than spishtar
Disagree with the thoughts you had on Kama IMO. From what I've seen in comparison videos Kama has at least as much refund as Spishtar or a little bit more, on top of that her Turn 3 damage is much higher than Ishtar's. So you said you put Muramasa over Kama due to her having only one class advantage, but can't the same be said for Spishtar? Kind of inconsistent tbh.
@@6ToesHeACreature well his point about Da Vinci was that she's mainly for Caster Nodes which are typically the most important and give you the most refund
wait... i have both kama and spishtar at np 2, but kama just loops better imo. Mostly because her damage at wave 3 is just way better (she refunds the same amount if not more np as well because of her higher hit count, which you failed to notice). I also have davinci lili as well, but at np 1. i don't really use her much though because her damage is just WAY lower than both kama and spishtar. the only time i find use for her is when fighting against casters. my own top 5 is 1. kama 2. spishtar 3. muramasa 4. mushashi berserker 5. davinci lili also Pocket Chalk made a very good video compering kama and spishtar.
Spishtar does more damage than Kama with Oberon even if her s3 misses and Kama charms, while doing more on wave 1 and 2 🐒, Kama also can miss charm because of Debuff resistance
@@aminebachir3394 i thought this tier list was about looping without plugsuit. because with plugsuit every arts servant can loop like no tomorrow. So keep your oberon out of this. Spishtar can also miss her arts buff btw.
@@bloody5081 Spishtar does more damage than Kama if both use Oberon, and Spishtar misses her arts buffs and Kama charms (debuff resistance exists between 10% to 64%)
I have them all and personally i dont see kama as no1. People dont wanna have to worry about consistency when they are farming. Spacr ishtar just is significantly more consistent at what she does. You miss that charm on wave 3 like others have said you are face carding relying on that 3rd skill buff.
Where's my grand caster chen lol. I want to ask a question, how much more damage would vinci lily do with double castorias' np (since 60% np from castorias' skills and 40% from 2 waves of vinci's np guarantee castorias' np to fire wave 3)
Mostly because it doesn't really matter. That's the same thing as pointing out that the Valkyries have actually better refund than Parvati: it's true, but 99% of the time it makes no difference. Summer Kama suffers from being more inconsistent damage-wise, because Space Ishtar missing her S3 will not hamper her much, while Kama failing to debuff will cripple her.
@@Talyrion you do realize that we're talking about how good they are looping right and not how much their np damage is? what the guy's talking about in the first place is np gain and i do know spishtar np damage is bigger in wave 1 and 2, but a good arts looper isn't determined just from their damage but also their refund
@@Edward-bb2uy yeah but for those two we have to compare the damage since they are both arts aoe avenger and both of them loops with double castoria anyway.
@@Edward-bb2uy and yes looping capacity is also determined by damage cause if your looper cannot finish the 3rd wave then why not taking someone else ?
This was a fun watch, as a NP3 Spishtar investor, I really like her! But I do think from everything I've seen about Kama Avenger, she is a bit of a better Arts looper, especially if you get the Charm buff Spishtar may not be the absolute BEST arts looper any more, but I look at it a different way: Investing in Spishtar, especially NP ranks, gives you assurance she will be useful in ANY meta, not just Arts down the line, instead of getting good servants for BUSTER, QUICK and ARTS, you can combine those 3 POTENTIAL servants, into an NP3 Spishtar, invest grails into her, and know it's a solid investment and efficient use of grails/etc
I get that its a top "looping" servants.. but i feel like Lily should be 5th.. her dmg even with high NP is not matching the others IMO (at least from what i have seen with Summer Mush/Space Ishtar).. she can refund well.. BUT if your new/looking for a looper that is good for everything and has dmg.. Go for Space Ishtar or Summer Musashi (on NA).. I chose summer because while i like RIN (i love fate stay night).. i didn't like her avenger design.. I will go for Castoria soon and then save for Summer karma next year.. I really think you can't go wrong with either 3 (or Shirou saber).. Space Ishtar is probably slightly better.. but not by enough that she should make you roll for her over the other 2 (if you like them more/like me)
@@danielak1666 tbh, I have more of refund problem with Muramasa than with Musashi. You just pop her s2 on t1 and then you are ready to go as it lasts three turns. double castoria s2 and s3 on t1 too. With NP2 Musashi can loop almost nonstop if she has the right CE (Painting Summer for example). But most of the times not needed as she just 3-turns everything, even bosses.
ZTL explained in the video that the reason Musashi and Kama are ranked lower than Space Ishtar, in other words, is because of consistency. Space Ishtar's consistency issues are on the 20% chance of not getting arts buffs and only 1 turn of NP damage bonus through her skills. However, Ishtar's NP damage buff from her NP carries on to additional waves, while Kama's debuffs and damage mods work better on CQs rather than overall farming and wave clearing. Musashi has no battery, and her arts double hit gimmick is too weak to compare, considering it only lasts a single turn. She trumps in big damage on the first wave, but Space Ishtar and Kama are more consistent damage dealers AND loopers than her while also having an easier time surviving tough fights.
solid point, but he forgot that summer kama hits more count than spistar, and her arts modifier is 30%, which is 10% higher than spishtar, and if he's talking about consistency then in that 20% cases spishtar won't get her arts mod unlike summer kama, so techically he's contradicting himself about that, other than that kama's charm works againts 90% farming enemies with the exception like king hassan or ash as the 3rd wave boss since she's got 100% charm success. While i agree turn 1 and 2 spishtar damage is bigger that doesn't mean she's a better arts looper than summer kama, since a better arts looper isn't just defined by his/her np damage but also how much his/her np refund
@@Edward-bb2uy though i am a kama simp the fact you said that charm works on 90% on the games servants is not true at all since SO MANY servants have build in debuff resistance(40-10%) that you also can say that in those times where she doesnt hit the charm you WONT 3 turn because she cant clear those 190k health servants from 90+ nodes without the damage mod on her np. BUT space ishtar has first NO consistency problems even without her 20% arts buff since she already has a high np gain stat and in practice is just doesnt matter, WHILE she will always have the reliable dmg because of her np effect. some recent examples last christmas lottery had gil in 90+ node (10%) and quin liangyu in 90 node (15%) while in scatchac fest in 90+ node was cu (15%) debuff resistance. so in those times where she wouldnt hit the 3.skill you would have to facecard your way, while space ishtar still refunds enough even without her 3.skill
@@christof6809solid point, but i'm talking from my own experience here, so far i have no problems with the charm activation and i can still 3 turn it, since now most farming is done in events with event CE bonus
If we're talking about consistency, Kama is above Ishtar. Isthar's sole advantage over Kama is wave 1-2 damage. The wave 1 damage barely being noticable.
@@desolatorstorm142 you could also say that in wave 3 ishtar always does enough dmg while kama can still miss the charm and not clear wave 3 since so many servants have some debuff resistance and force her to facecard it, not saying it happens often but incase it happens it can be really annoying and soemtimes force you to 5 turn if the boss uses his invul or evade, while ishtar even if she misses 3rd skill still loops perfectly fine. even if kama has more np gain it doesnt matter if you for instance ishtar regens 105% np while kama does 115%, they will still loop BUT if kama doesnt proc the 3rd (which can happens sometimes) the dmg wont cut it most of the time. IF WE talk about using event ce's, if not then nothing matters since kama just takes a dmg ce while ishtar takes a np gain ce, but im talking about pure 6ce lotto comps
@@Nicky-zz8np if I remember correctly she is in most situations. The big exception is those nodes with less than three enemies because she can't get enough NP refund. In those situations Ishtar beats her.
great list for top loopers but i would argue with the list. i think it should be #1 Spishtar #2 & 3 Kama/Muramasa these top 3 are servants you can bring anywhere with great looping capability and consistent damage. then Zerker musashi would be #4 coz without Castoria she is kinda meh then #5 would be loli vinci coz even with a billion ways to get NP recharge, she lacks damage like a lot compared to the top 3.
Not really true, as NP1 Muramasa is really CE/CC dependent which makes him worse choice during the events than let's say Summer Musashi who is CE/CC independent. You really need him NP2 for safe looping.
Imo you shouldn't just take NP into consideration, you should also take NP damage into consideration cause for Muramasa for each NP loop he'll deal more damage the next loop and although yes it's for 3 turns so it won't be multiplied by too much it makes his NP much stronger.
NP 1 is good enough at least I tried it for the highest level of qp farming, you could give her black grail or royal icing which is a free ce during a old halloween event
I have summer musashi she is hard to loop cause all enemies are death just on her np damage. She hard to get her brave chain ... sometimes i dont use her 3th skill just to make her more weak so she can do the looping.. space ishtar can loop cause she is no efektif for almost enemies class so she can loop on her brave chain, same for kama, but honestly i use musashi alot more than kama and spacestar she is realy easy to wipe out the enemies without thinking to much for the enemies class even on her np 1, that is what i think.
I think muramasa in general is top tier among arts servants and if the video of someone doing 9 consecutive np doing 1.7 mil on all of them isn't enough proof then I don't know what is
@@mehrabislamarnab1675 bro you sure you read the comment correctly ? They clearly said "he did 9 NP loops", not "he cleared in 9 turns" which is what you're saying.
Not really. He gets one good refund turn, but that's it. I guess you could make it two by using double Koyanskaya, but then that's your damage that's going down the drain (and taking 2 Koyanskaya to change a Buster NP into an Arts one would be... peculiar) At the end of the day, if it's about looping, there are quite a few Arts unit above him - which is only natural.
@@PapaPonoupo i use her with double waver and a skadi and just the phases with zerks or assassins or when she doesn't get her arts buff from the 3rd skill are the problems with my way of using my np2 Spishitar and even with these minor problems I can get 4 or 5 turns (well, it's not the ideal scenario to farm with her but i'll keep doing it until Castoria)
Don't be sad, I have all the meta buffers and still can't do it as I don't have/want the loop servants. It will start for me with castoria as I own a musashi np2.
An idea you could do for Quick and Buster, is that you could do best looper for each class and then out of those pick the best five. I feel like it gives people targets for each class to summon for and then you can finish with who you think is the best
Unless you're aiming to NP5 Castoria, you should be fine going for both. Drop 200-250 pulls on Musashi and cut your losses if you don't get her. Of course, if you meant to say you have 600+ Saint Quartz, then don't. You can probably get both, but it's not worth risking it.
@@Kanzeons dude, Muramasa is an average looper in Arts. Everyone knows this 🙄. He's more specialized for CQ. Vinci on the other hand is highly optimized for farming. And again, can abuse double Castoria's atk up without relying on Card Draw RNG nor on whether support Castoria got mana loading append. Basically guaranteed free 60% atk up on turn 3
Bro Muramasa is like S tier while lily is c tier what are you talking about lmfaoo. He can loop easily with 2004 and black grail and he does a stupid amount of crit damage on top of that 😂
@@r5yan102 not sure what to say here, I guess you thought "lily" is only Saber lily or something? If so, my bad but to clarify its Da Vinci Lily/ lolivinci here No, I'm talking for pure NP looping potential here, and Muramasa doesn't have any self damage buff other than what his NP provides, and his is a ramping up one only, coupled with only 500 more attack than Vinci, no he ain't doing much damage on turn 1&2. Heck Vinci will out damage him on T3 as well as she got guaranteed buff from 2 castorias. He got 50% battery sure, but Vinci basically recharges herself 90% for turn three, so he got beat there too. In what way is Muramasa a better looper than Vinci here?
I have to disagree about space Ishtar because in the context you're giving where if they're np1 then space Ishtar falls at number 5 because she is overly reliant on double castoria specifically where as the other 4 you mentioned can loop with Paracelsus, Nero bride and tamamo if castoria if not an option to use because you don't have her or couldn't find a friend who has one. I know there's her 50 percent charge but even that by itself doesn't really help her at NP 1 regardless of class of servants you fight.
spishtar could already loop before castoria came. also tryna find a castoria in support is waaaay easier than finding the other 3 u mentioned. that scenario you're coming up with is really unlikely. agree tho np1 dmg is eh
For me as an NA player, my top five arts loopers are musashi berserker, jeanne archer, space ishtar, rider da Vinci and Anastasia at the moment but once I get Muramasa and Avenger kama in the future jeanne archer and Anastasia are gonna be in my honorable mentions. but I gotta ask, I have ganesha as a moon cancer, is she good at looping or not really? i haven't leveled her up yet at all
go np 2/3 for a stabile play for years ahead.. np 1 is kinda lackluster unless you use it just for typical farm.. same case with musashi n some of em.. the only one that's ok dmg wise on np 1 is arjuna alter but prob is you cannot refund it so it's kinda annoying to 3T with him
He might be focusing on farmers, but in that case Mordred Rider could have been on this list for being an amazing QP grinding servant. Doesn’t even need Castoria, which is a big plus for me.
That's exactly why, it's his personal statements that people aren't taking too kindly It's almost as if they ARE his opinions and none of theirs or something 🤔
It’s maybe because he didn’t even mention one of the best arts loopers, summer kiara, in the slightest. Not even an honorable mention. She’s a top tier servant BECAUSE she can arts loop very easy. He either forgot or is bias, and neither us a good look.
Davinci Lily at number 2 is just wrong. Especially at NP1, her damage is quite bad. It's funny, you said yourself that she's good because her niche is fighting casters, however that's a bad thing: literally everyone else in the top 5 is better against casters than Da Vinci. Against non-casters she just doesn't do enough damage. She has the best refund in the game, but against high hp neutral class nodes, she just won't do enough damage to even kill the enemies. Kama avenger, muramasa and summer musashi are all better, she only outperforms them in some niche cases where they're unable to loop and she can (against low HP enemies with irregular waves).
What's crazy that i got three of them of out of five because the other two are not in NA and they help out alot but ascensioning space ishtar is super hard
i have np 5 astarte in NA with 10 8 10 skill, and she can already loop with nero bride, paracelsus, and a plug suit, max her man, she's worth it, at the last wave, she can deal more than 170k+ of damage per enemy
@@SousukeAizen421 lucky it was really hard to get space ishtar i got lucky buying 30 saint quartz on the last day and got her and other two i got the day they arrive da vinci twice
I don't know why you'd hard lock all loopers at NP1. It'd kind of an unfair advantage for 5 stars since the average SQ to get 1 copy of a 5 star could net you 2 copies of a 4 star, so it's kind of a given that the 4 stars don't hold up in damage. How is Kama an inferior looper to Spishtar? Just calculating things, Kama has lower np gain, but more hits, which results in having identical total base NP refund and better arts card for Kama. Also, unlike Spishtar, Kama doesn't have to whiff a battery to get her arts card buff for higher turn 1 refund. Even then, Spishtar has a 20% chance of missing her arts card buff, which is 10% lower than Kama's that ALWAYS procs. Anything Kama isn't getting enough refund from is something Spishtar won't clear. Plushie already did a comparison ua-cam.com/video/P5llpqaaTFw/v-deo.html . Kama is looping consistency and greater wave 3 damage VS Ishtar's wave 1-2 damage. So basically, it's the Spishtar (Kama) VS Musashi(Spishtar) debate. Kama's probably the best looper.
You forgot that kama's charm dosen't always proc and it's her main damage source. I don't get your argument about spishtar 3rd skill cause you can proc it first wave with BG. 80% is not that bad too honestly. Kama does more damage of the charm procs and have better no refund but spishtar is more consistant.
@@kenshi3436 Unless you're facing an odd unit to fight (like one of the goddess units in the knight classes or a unit with charm immunity which is rare), the charm's chance to miss is, at most, the same chance to miss Ishtar's 3rd skill. If the refund is a close call for Spishtar, that can harm her in a worse way than not simply having max damage. That's counter productive. If you use Spishtar's 3rd skill wave 1 with black grail, you're either missing out on 30% np gen from Castoria's 2nd skill, or whiffing batteries from Castoria. There is 0 compromise with Kama.
@@kenshi3436 But are these 2 enemies or something that would give her difficulties? Conversely, how many nodes actually give Kama trouble in terms of damage that Spishtar dealt easily under the same setup?
Honestly, no. At NP 2, assuming foes, her damage will be enough to even farm assassin nodes as her refund will be covered be her first skill and NP refund on her NP. If for some reason you ever have issues with assassin nodes which should be your ONLY issue, you can always grail her to 100.
Dafuq are you smoking. Da Vinci Lily is strong but NP2 overcoming class advantage vs 150k HP Assassins is absolutely retarded. You can do something nuts and give her a Black Grail with plugsuited Oberon or some shit, but that's retardedly inefficient, not to mention you could just bring a 4 star welfare Sieg to take care of Assassin nodes. Edit: Tested her damage and an NP2 lvl100 2k/2k Fou'd Da Vinci Rider buffed by Double Castoria and 2004 MC can't cross 60k vs Assassins (and 120k on neutral) Meanwhile a Space Ishtar with the same investment easily crosses 160k vs ALL classes except Mooncancers. Who are yknow, the rarest class.
I think Lily Vinci switches with Musashi as I’ve got both and they’re amazing but even though Musashi can’t loop for as long most teams need to loop only for 3-4 turns which Musashi can easily do but with more damage. I think Vinci is great if you need to loop forever. I have her at NP2 and even with just one Castoria she can easily loop like 4 times and against a ST enemy probably more if she can get some brave chains off. Double Castoria is practically overkill. I put in Waver for my back line and she can then loop pretty much more than you will ever need to. But still, Musashi will just hit harder and is more versatile cause she’s a berserker. Muramasa is similar to Odysseus for me in that he hits like a truck and can loop but just requires more to loop so I think he should switch with Spishtar simply cause he is only gonna be used against when there are lancers otherwise you’d use Spishtar or Musashi. And honestly so many people could go into the 5th placement but given Muramasa is my favorite I think he deserves to be in top 5 haha
Lily could loop with Paracelsus and a Waver, she has such an ease looping it's a meme. She's a very stable looper, she suffers from damage but she's team oriented
@@christianvannucci6455 Exactly! And honestly I think at NP2 she does just enough where if I grail her she will probably be set. My favorite part is the fact she can loop so easily with a black grail or heavens feel it’s just insane. And her looping is so extra too, I’m pretty sure with my Castoria set up especially against 3 wave enemies she can pretty much loop infinitely!!!
@@pianoimpact7699 Her looping is so good it would probably be better for her to outright get just one Castoria's buffs, getting the other's buffs after, so that her loop ability would last 5-6 ish turns just because she can
@@christianvannucci6455 Oh for sure. Her NP Gen is so good that I’m betting that at NP5 with max grail and Fou’s she would probably be able to overcharge 200% loop with those Castoria buffs!
@@sibsart2039 the ones she'll lose the 150% percent damage will only be when she's fighting againts king hassan or ash or other very small amount of naturally immune to charm servants as the 3rd wave boss, besides in a typical normal farming scenario, it's quite rare to meet them since most of it is going to be monsters and ect, anyways if he does count kama's loss, he should aslo count that 20% loss in spishtar's art mod so it can be more equal
@@ZTL If I recall correctly their main reasoning was that Jason is easier to level up because his materials are easier to farm and he only needs about two grails to get the damage he needs. They also reason that muramasa is a SSR and requires saint quartz so potentially money in order to get well Jason as a friend point servant. Personally I think they just don’t like that he’s a Shirou face and that he has been hyped up so much. I don’t really get the material cost either because this is according to them Jason needs at minimum two of the only limited material in the entire game like you can farm just about anything endlessly but there is a finite number of grails.
@@ZTL The reason is because he has 5 hits instead of 3 hits on his np, and Jason gives a 20% arts buff per np instead of 10%, so he'll have an additional 40% arts buff on turn 3. Now this doesn't automatically make him better, but the argument is, if you are willing to grail Jason, he will be able to perform better than muramasa. They aren't saying Jason is just better than Muramasa as a 1 star, his stats are too low for that to happen. I haven't done the math, but that is their reasoning.
Space ishtar may be good on paper... but when you consider how long her np takes it is NOT worth it... Honestly, I wonder which looping servant is both most consistent + short np. Hmmm.... If youre farming exp or qp just use servants like eric blood axe (only needs 250 atk fou to be consistent).
I'm a bit sad that my girl Vritra is just an honorable mention but she really does have some problems. In the Kama vs Spishtar debate I personally think Kama is kind of a better arts looper while Spishtar is a more flexible looper since buster (and technically quick but her quick looping is really lacking when compared to the other two) is also an option.
really? in terms of arts summer kama is better than spistar, spistar is a bit of rng-ish and more adaptable but not better than summer kama in arts looping
Spishtar's damage gets better every wave because of her stackable oc. Kama's debuffs make her stronger for a single wave since she can only charm one of the waves to activate her oc. As for their ability to loop, in a vaccum, Kama is better at it than spishtar clearly, but with Castoria, they can both arts loop easily so its hard to compare them in just looping. I personally prefer Spishtar simply because Rin face lol but I think Kama is just as good and even better in some situations
@@ZTL ummm? i'm talking about summer Kama not summer kiara tho, but yes i do agree kiara needs np levels for her to hit hard, nevertheless still quite a reliable arts looper
@@RB-dr3dh i mean, if you're talking about np damage the best solution is np levels, besides we're talking about the capabilty to loop, and yes s kama is still better arts looper than spistar judging from their base skill, np hit count, and passives
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The best single target Arts looper is definitely Squirtoria but I've used both Zerker Musashi and Space Ishtar and I like both as Arts loopers
Imaginate caring about refund lmao.
-This comment was made by the Buster gang
*laughs in gong waver skadi bride for np*
the weakness of space istar in looping is that her NP animation is the slowest
1. Kama: 1st anc 7s and her 3rd anc:8.5 s
2. Davinci lily: 9.5 s
3. Musashi: 10s
4. Muramasa: 10s
5. Space istar: 11.5 s
Meltryllis?
@@umu8912 melt summer 8s
@@thevrone8009 tysm
I'm almost going to be sad when Castoria comes out because then the Nero Bride-Tamamo-Paracelsus dream team is going to be broken up.
True, at least Paracelsus and Bride will take a good rest, I'll still be using Tamamo even when Castoria comes out.
If you're having ANY problem with any of those servants, just remember you can always put a plugsuit + Waver, Tamamo or (my personal favorite) Nero Bride and that should do it.
Me an Intellectual : #1 Chen Gong
seriously he so fun to loop just double castoria with paracelcus and your gucci though it requres heavy investments like 100 grail him but the dmg is so Good compared to a np1 Spishtar though np2 spishtar might be better but dont know if servant dmg calcu is 100% accurate. I still think chen gong is good for farming rather than spishtar cause of her animation is too long though one might argue that animation of your gong victims might take more time but idk. Anyway thanks for the list
The best art looper is the one you've got. As far as I'm concerned Zerker Musashi and Spishar do not exist. NP2 Rider Vinci on the other hand has been putting in a lot of work already.
Her charging the rest of the team's NPs on top of refunding her own allows for some pretty interesting setups that wouldn't be practical otherwise.
I think she's really good but probably struggles farming neutral nodes at NP1 to be fair. Now to save for Castoria!
When you use both castoria np on the final wave
Musashi's clearly the best because she has a jet ski.
Although, for real, I've found it more consistent to loop with NP2 Musashi compared to NP2 Sp. Ishtar. Not sure why.
maybe since summer musashi has 4 hit counts compared to spishtar with 3hits
Spishtar....(and trully Musashi too) only comes online as an Arts looper with Castoria. Musashi has a little bit of "freedom" making comps that work.
You're probably on 3-3-X nodes right? Spishtar is more flexible to having less enemies thanks to her battery.
As one who spent 1300 sq just to get NP1 Summer Musashi, I agree with her placement. I can't wait for Castoria. I'm currently 3-turn Skadi looping with an NP1 Spishtar. My dream is to loop with Hokusai, because Hokusai is wife I mean life
When it comes to "LOOPING", Surfer Mo-chan is definitely up there in the top 5 arts loopers.
Np gain of .71% + 3t 30% arts buff + 5hits AoE NP.
Even against berserker enemies, she can fill up to 75-85% with just UmuBride's and waver's buffs in my experience. And if she lacks dmg for overkill, I can just use Plugsuit and add Tamamo, Lan Ling or Paracelsus in the team.
True she is gud even at np1
Laughs in NP0 Castoria, Muramasa and Level 1 Jason
Wait.....
Summer Kiara : i am joke to you?
ZTL: ..... i don't even know who you are
Best Arts looper will be Percy. This coming from a straight dude, thick thighs save lives and Percy is a 4 star spooker, loops like crazy, and can be an upgraded George when you need it
Isn’t there a video of him solo looping his np lol
What happened to Sieg and him being a free NP5
I can 3T full loop Sieg on the stakes node in Salem on NA. Definitely a solid looper
@@lynxace1602 when will he come to NA again?
@@altirius Next year at best, a bit after the new year's event rerun
The only weakness about Spishtar is that long ass NP Animation (Lasagna give us NP Skip/speed up this anniversary)
And Summer Kama isn't a bad looper, 4 hits on a 0.5% is good, not to mention that 50% Battery and really high ATK stat too... tho I do believe Muramasa suffers due to low damage in mid waves
wait a second....why is summer kama being penalised for her lower np per atk charge generation? Even though summer kama has a 0.52 np charge atk and space ishtar has a 0.69 np charge atk, summer kama has 4 hits on her arts np while space ishtar has 3 hits on her arts np. Which means if you're solely looking at np refunds from just firing off your np and looping, then summer kama is equal or slightly better than space ishtar.
i think ZTL just didn't notice the hit difference of the two.
Ye i like him but he does those kind of mistakes regularly. Always take what he says with a bit of salt.
Get on one of his twitch streams and give him some shit for it haha
Because whos hitting arts face cards in NP looping....
Make a channel then
am I blind? cuz . . . I don't see Chen Gong in this Top tier list?
I personally prefer having a set neutral farming team over having to swap out servants every time there's a disadvantage
Glad I somehow stumbled my way into getting np4 melt, 2 musashi, and 3 spishtar. Now I can use any choice of my waifus
Probably going to go from muramasa in the future
Your luck is terrifying.
They way I measure true NP gain is multiply the number of hits by the Np gain stat. So the average would be a 3 hit .5-.6 NP gain stat. Making it about 1.5-1.8 being the average.
My number one Art looper will always be Percival. He's got a Art and 2 NP Strength up, pretty good NP gain, and survivability for days. And when you see those muscles, you know where he puts all that HP
The best art looper depend on what you have
You had her at number 1 because, you love that "EXTRA ATTACK" damage.
So people still get angry over lists and/or tier lists? Man, internet has blown everybody's ego into wild proportions that nothing is true other than our own opinions huh.
Also, if your f2p or low spender, it doesn't matter who is better. Just work with what you have.
I don't have anyone else from here other than Da Vinci, She's the best looper I have
When Muramasa comes out he’s going to be a monster looper with Castoria, a 3 turn use of an arts and np buff each use of the NP itself
I don't get the locking loopers at NP1, but then putting Rider Da VInci so high. People often overstate loopers needing to be NP2 or higher, but my experiences with NP1 Da Vinci is her damage is too low outside caster nodes to reliably kill even though she can loop her NP. Plus, the cost of an NP1 SSR is roughly the same as an NP2 SR, so Id at least count the SRs as NP2.
Also, neither Kiara even got mentioned IIRC when I'd probably have Summer Kiara in my top 5. And even as a Rin stan, I'd probably put Kama at 1 and Spishtar at 2, even though I'd recommend pulling Spishtar more because she can work outside of arts looping.
In theory the costs may be similar but getting the right sr is a coin flip while getting the right ssr is an 80% chance.
@@alb7466 1.5% vs. .8%, or roughly double the chance of the right SSR. It's a coinflip, but you should evaluate it based on the math which says cost of an NP2 SR is close enough to NP1 focus SSR to make for the more legitimate comparison. This is also the methodology a lot of tier lists/comparisons use. The units are even roughly designed by DW with that in mind.
Good ranking
How about top 5 Quick loop and 5 best Buster Gorilla in your opinion?
Chen Gong??????? Free NP5??? Bias I say.
The Top 3 for me would be original Fate Stay Night Cast (Shirou, Rin, Sakura) with Rin first place. The rest would be anyone i don’t really care
I have Da Vinci lily on jp and her biggest issue is the lack of good damage multipliers on her kit so her damage is really low compared to other 5 stars.
Mad disrespect to The Man, The Legend, THE GONG.
I have all of the the loopers that are available on NA, and will probably summon for the other two in the future. When I was farming for gears for SpIshtar before Saber Wars, had to use my NP1 Musashi Zerker. And her S2 is lvl 6, so her np gain is still lower. Despite that, tried to do the best I could to farm with her. I think I gave up in the end, and went with my usual Arash, Bunyan, and aoe servant (which was Raikou) for farming.
1. Space Ishtar
2. Summer Kama
3. Summer Kiara
4. Muramasa
5. Lambda
Good morning to anyone waking up to this.
Thanks you
Thank you for being civilized 🙈
True thanks man
Got Da Vinci Lily to NP2 and decided to just drop all of my fous and also grail her to 100 and pretty much a mainstay in most of my team since I like her ability to easily gain NP Gauges easily. Also added da vinci command code on her 1st arts card to amplify np strength by 15% which is useful on brave arts chains + np. Currently has an HP of 17460 and ATK of 13913.
I wonder would emiya count as a buster looper or an arts looper? bc i feel like when his np is arts. He will loop no matter what.
im lucky for having mushi, castoria and Space Ishtar honestly, but i dont have materials for my ishtar yet so im still using mushi, my ishtar skills are still 3/3/3 and she doesnt have any fous so yeah big sad
Not even a Summer Kiara mention who of all Arts loopers has the strongest turn 3 damage by a mile.
Terrible refund compared to the 5 mentioned here, needs plug suit paracelsus or higher np. (Also needs append skill somewhat maxed)
If it's np2, almost all servants can loop without any assistance
@@jeanniemaycrawford4466 all loopers also struggle immensely at np1 space ishtar more so than others actually. S.Kiara also doesn't need plugsuit at np1 or at all at higher np lvls or append ntm has higher wave 3 dmg than ishtar. Ishtar is best cause she is more consistent for irregular nodes that are common in future lottos. But thats only if she is np2 or higher since her dmg is not actually as cracked as everything thinks.
On an unrelated note: S.kiara doubles as not only top 3 loopers but an insane cq user as she she has massive op skills specifically the first and third with low cd that boost dmg and support.
@@Ty_Jac which servant does kiara np 2 want?
@@Ty_Jac sumer kiara is actually one of the best for cq against avenger, she has st damage in a aoe np if you 2 stack her third skill
@@celsosousamendonca4738 Oh yea for sure esp amazing dmg wise if you have the special atk on burned enemies CE with the burn CC or honestly just using her bond ce. She is far more overpowered than a lot of servants. She works great as a dps, support, and soloist/clutch character but because the game is basically an np simulator, your average fgo player doesn't rly goes in depth with the gameplay outside killing things fast not that i blame them. Game is just made to focus more on story and jpeg collection anyway.
Spishtar does more damage than Kama with Oberon even if her s3 misses and Kama charms(Kama can miss charm a little less often or more often depending on the enemy servant) 🐒wich is a bigger problem since you loose 150% special np damage (85-100k less damage) compared to losing 15k-20k for Spishtar
all I see is people praising kama because of her better np gain, like you have issues looping with Spishtar 😅
To be fair, with a MLB Painting Summer and managing to get her arts buff, Spishtar can refund 49% with her Regen in farming even without arts supports so...
Yeah, no real issue
My Kama smokes 🤩
Copium hit this man hard
@@KizNoir yup, people saying Kama is better either like her more as a character(Sakura fans, and let's be honest she's sexier), or don't have Spishtar
Summer Kama is to Spishtar like what Valkyrie is to Parvati, Valks have better np gain but that doesn't matter most of the time
cmon, anyone with oberon absolutely will hit harder and that's if you pair her with oberon, we're talking about each ability to loop here, which one refunds higher or lower, besides if you really want big np damage you can always get np2 or more, you're really missing the point when people say summer kama is better in arts looping than spishtar
Where the hell is summer kiara. She is easily top 5, but The fact you didn’t include her at all kind of made this list moot.
this^
Disagree with the thoughts you had on Kama IMO. From what I've seen in comparison videos Kama has at least as much refund as Spishtar or a little bit more, on top of that her Turn 3 damage is much higher than Ishtar's. So you said you put Muramasa over Kama due to her having only one class advantage, but can't the same be said for Spishtar? Kind of inconsistent tbh.
And he said this was at np1 and Da Vinci just doesn't have enough damage to fight every class especially at np1.
Dude being a bit biased i think
@@6ToesHeACreature well his point about Da Vinci was that she's mainly for Caster Nodes which are typically the most important and give you the most refund
WHERE CHEN AT?!?!
wait... i have both kama and spishtar at np 2, but kama just loops better imo. Mostly because her damage at wave 3 is just way better (she refunds the same amount if not more np as well because of her higher hit count, which you failed to notice). I also have davinci lili as well, but at np 1. i don't really use her much though because her damage is just WAY lower than both kama and spishtar. the only time i find use for her is when fighting against casters.
my own top 5 is
1. kama
2. spishtar
3. muramasa
4. mushashi berserker
5. davinci lili
also Pocket Chalk made a very good video compering kama and spishtar.
Spishtar does more damage than Kama with Oberon even if her s3 misses and Kama charms, while doing more on wave 1 and 2 🐒, Kama also can miss charm because of Debuff resistance
@@aminebachir3394 i thought this tier list was about looping without plugsuit. because with plugsuit every arts servant can loop like no tomorrow. So keep your oberon out of this. Spishtar can also miss her arts buff btw.
@@bloody5081 you can't loop 90+ nodes without plugsuit, no one cares about 333 nodes, even quick can farm those 😅
@@bloody5081 Spishtar does more damage than Kama if both use Oberon, and Spishtar misses her arts buffs and Kama charms (debuff resistance exists between 10% to 64%)
I have them all and personally i dont see kama as no1. People dont wanna have to worry about consistency when they are farming. Spacr ishtar just is significantly more consistent at what she does. You miss that charm on wave 3 like others have said you are face carding relying on that 3rd skill buff.
Where's my grand caster chen lol. I want to ask a question, how much more damage would vinci lily do with double castorias' np (since 60% np from castorias' skills and 40% from 2 waves of vinci's np guarantee castorias' np to fire wave 3)
Dude, you do realise Kama has more NP hits than Spishtar so she actually has slightly higher NP gain? Did you just forget to check that?
yes you're right, i still don't why he ranked spistar higher
Mostly because it doesn't really matter. That's the same thing as pointing out that the Valkyries have actually better refund than Parvati: it's true, but 99% of the time it makes no difference. Summer Kama suffers from being more inconsistent damage-wise, because Space Ishtar missing her S3 will not hamper her much, while Kama failing to debuff will cripple her.
@@Talyrion you do realize that we're talking about how good they are looping right and not how much their np damage is? what the guy's talking about in the first place is np gain and i do know spishtar np damage is bigger in wave 1 and 2, but a good arts looper isn't determined just from their damage but also their refund
@@Edward-bb2uy yeah but for those two we have to compare the damage since they are both arts aoe avenger and both of them loops with double castoria anyway.
@@Edward-bb2uy and yes looping capacity is also determined by damage cause if your looper cannot finish the 3rd wave then why not taking someone else ?
Saleiri can np loop too I used him till I got space ishtar
why loop when 1.enemies are dead because they are weak to enuma elish fuhaha 2.they are all dead because they are all ROMA.
This was a fun watch, as a NP3 Spishtar investor, I really like her!
But I do think from everything I've seen about Kama Avenger, she is a bit of a better Arts looper, especially if you get the Charm buff
Spishtar may not be the absolute BEST arts looper any more, but I look at it a different way:
Investing in Spishtar, especially NP ranks, gives you assurance she will be useful in ANY meta, not just Arts down the line, instead of getting good servants for BUSTER, QUICK and ARTS, you can combine those 3 POTENTIAL servants, into an NP3 Spishtar, invest grails into her, and know it's a solid investment and efficient use of grails/etc
I only have Summer Jeanne and Da Vinky Lily at NP2. Failed miserably to get Spishtar, but oh well.
Coming back here after getting castoria
I get that its a top "looping" servants.. but i feel like Lily should be 5th.. her dmg even with high NP is not matching the others IMO (at least from what i have seen with Summer Mush/Space Ishtar).. she can refund well.. BUT if your new/looking for a looper that is good for everything and has dmg.. Go for Space Ishtar or Summer Musashi (on NA).. I chose summer because while i like RIN (i love fate stay night).. i didn't like her avenger design.. I will go for Castoria soon and then save for Summer karma next year.. I really think you can't go wrong with either 3 (or Shirou saber).. Space Ishtar is probably slightly better.. but not by enough that she should make you roll for her over the other 2 (if you like them more/like me)
I love that musashi is a zerker, she just doesn't care about class, now I got her np2 so I hope it helps with inconsistencies.
@@Ryu99420 her main weaknesses is she's too reliant with refund. So most of times, you'll need MC help to cover any slight bit of lack refund
@@danielak1666 May be a problem for newer player who don't own alot of support and or ce's, but I don't think it will be a big deal for me.
@@danielak1666 tbh, I have more of refund problem with Muramasa than with Musashi. You just pop her s2 on t1 and then you are ready to go as it lasts three turns. double castoria s2 and s3 on t1 too. With NP2 Musashi can loop almost nonstop if she has the right CE (Painting Summer for example). But most of the times not needed as she just 3-turns everything, even bosses.
ZTL explained in the video that the reason Musashi and Kama are ranked lower than Space Ishtar, in other words, is because of consistency. Space Ishtar's consistency issues are on the 20% chance of not getting arts buffs and only 1 turn of NP damage bonus through her skills. However, Ishtar's NP damage buff from her NP carries on to additional waves, while Kama's debuffs and damage mods work better on CQs rather than overall farming and wave clearing.
Musashi has no battery, and her arts double hit gimmick is too weak to compare, considering it only lasts a single turn. She trumps in big damage on the first wave, but Space Ishtar and Kama are more consistent damage dealers AND loopers than her while also having an easier time surviving tough fights.
solid point, but he forgot that summer kama hits more count than spistar, and her arts modifier is 30%, which is 10% higher than spishtar, and if he's talking about consistency then in that 20% cases spishtar won't get her arts mod unlike summer kama, so techically he's contradicting himself about that, other than that kama's charm works againts 90% farming enemies with the exception like king hassan or ash as the 3rd wave boss since she's got 100% charm success. While i agree turn 1 and 2 spishtar damage is bigger that doesn't mean she's a better arts looper than summer kama, since a better arts looper isn't just defined by his/her np damage but also how much his/her np refund
@@Edward-bb2uy though i am a kama simp the fact you said that charm works on 90% on the games servants is not true at all since SO MANY servants have build in debuff resistance(40-10%) that you also can say that in those times where she doesnt hit the charm you WONT 3 turn because she cant clear those 190k health servants from 90+ nodes without the damage mod on her np. BUT space ishtar has first NO consistency problems even without her 20% arts buff since she already has a high np gain stat and in practice is just doesnt matter, WHILE she will always have the reliable dmg because of her np effect. some recent examples last christmas lottery had gil in 90+ node (10%) and quin liangyu in 90 node (15%) while in scatchac fest in 90+ node was cu (15%) debuff resistance. so in those times where she wouldnt hit the 3.skill you would have to facecard your way, while space ishtar still refunds enough even without her 3.skill
@@christof6809solid point, but i'm talking from my own experience here, so far i have no problems with the charm activation and i can still 3 turn it, since now most farming is done in events with event CE bonus
If we're talking about consistency, Kama is above Ishtar. Isthar's sole advantage over Kama is wave 1-2 damage. The wave 1 damage barely being noticable.
@@desolatorstorm142 you could also say that in wave 3 ishtar always does enough dmg while kama can still miss the charm and not clear wave 3 since so many servants have some debuff resistance and force her to facecard it, not saying it happens often but incase it happens it can be really annoying and soemtimes force you to 5 turn if the boss uses his invul or evade, while ishtar even if she misses 3rd skill still loops perfectly fine. even if kama has more np gain it doesnt matter if you for instance ishtar regens 105% np while kama does 115%, they will still loop BUT if kama doesnt proc the 3rd (which can happens sometimes) the dmg wont cut it most of the time. IF WE talk about using event ce's, if not then nothing matters since kama just takes a dmg ce while ishtar takes a np gain ce, but im talking about pure 6ce lotto comps
Reality is most loopers don't loop with NP1 that well.
Shouldn't restrict it to just NP1 maybe NP2 minimum even for SSR's.
How much would the list change if they were all np5?
My guess is Musashi Berserker would be the best at NP5. Due to her class advantage.
@@Nicky-zz8np if I remember correctly she is in most situations. The big exception is those nodes with less than three enemies because she can't get enough NP refund. In those situations Ishtar beats her.
Anyone know who loops the fastest
great list for top loopers but i would argue with the list. i think it should be #1 Spishtar #2 & 3 Kama/Muramasa these top 3 are servants you can bring anywhere with great looping capability and consistent damage. then Zerker musashi would be #4 coz without Castoria she is kinda meh then #5 would be loli vinci coz even with a billion ways to get NP recharge, she lacks damage like a lot compared to the top 3.
I'd agree with this heavily.
Question is Vritra going to be a permanent servant I have seen people talking about her being in the general pool
Yes, Vritra is permanent
she is permanent in jp
so Muramasa just needs to be at NP1 in order to loop right ?
Yes
So does Summer Musashi
anyone who can loop, can do so at np1. your problem would be damage
Not really true, as NP1 Muramasa is really CE/CC dependent which makes him worse choice during the events than let's say Summer Musashi who is CE/CC independent. You really need him NP2 for safe looping.
Imo you shouldn't just take NP into consideration, you should also take NP damage into consideration cause for Muramasa for each NP loop he'll deal more damage the next loop and although yes it's for 3 turns so it won't be multiplied by too much it makes his NP much stronger.
Is NP1 Space Ishtar good enough for 3 turn farming with double Castoria or do I need NP2? Also what's the best CE for NP1 if so?
NP 1 is good enough at least I tried it for the highest level of qp farming, you could give her black grail or royal icing which is a free ce during a old halloween event
I have summer musashi she is hard to loop cause all enemies are death just on her np damage. She hard to get her brave chain ... sometimes i dont use her 3th skill just to make her more weak so she can do the looping.. space ishtar can loop cause she is no efektif for almost enemies class so she can loop on her brave chain, same for kama, but honestly i use musashi alot more than kama and spacestar she is realy easy to wipe out the enemies without thinking to much for the enemies class even on her np 1, that is what i think.
I think muramasa in general is top tier among arts servants and if the video of someone doing 9 consecutive np doing 1.7 mil on all of them isn't enough proof then I don't know what is
What’s the video called
@@drench.d2 ua-cam.com/video/kFr4e0HTYRM/v-deo.html
@@drench.d2 i think it was in a challenge quest with a bunyan enemy
a looooot of servants cleared it in 9 turns. including chen gong, jason, vr tomoe, skiara, spishtar. so it's not s good base to judge on
@@mehrabislamarnab1675 bro you sure you read the comment correctly ? They clearly said "he did 9 NP loops", not "he cleared in 9 turns" which is what you're saying.
I have an np3 Summer Melt, can I already loop most things to hell and back or do I need to go for np 4 next year rerun?
I mean i have Musashi at NP3 so i'm gonna roll with that for a while
My NP5 Summer Musashi is ready to loop!! :D :D
i think archer emiya deserve to be honorary art looper
Idk about that
Not really. He gets one good refund turn, but that's it. I guess you could make it two by using double Koyanskaya, but then that's your damage that's going down the drain (and taking 2 Koyanskaya to change a Buster NP into an Arts one would be... peculiar)
At the end of the day, if it's about looping, there are quite a few Arts unit above him - which is only natural.
I'm lucky I got an np2 musashi this year and then castoria then
So is it a constant that ztl's tier lists always overlooks some servants for bias of his favored servants especially if they have high extra hits?
Is his opinion but yes, he loves hits on cards too much xD
pretty much
Wouldnt change the list tbh lol.
Me who still can't loop anything 😭
What's the problem?
@@JPG.01 this comment is 3 months ago, I can kind of loop sieg, maybe loop Ishtar, but it's not consistent and I need a lot of np charge skills
@@PapaPonoupo i use her with double waver and a skadi and just the phases with zerks or assassins or when she doesn't get her arts buff from the 3rd skill are the problems with my way of using my np2 Spishitar and even with these minor problems I can get 4 or 5 turns (well, it's not the ideal scenario to farm with her but i'll keep doing it until Castoria)
Don't be sad, I have all the meta buffers and still can't do it as I don't have/want the loop servants. It will start for me with castoria as I own a musashi np2.
@@PapaPonoupo brother, you better watch out for Chen Gong cuz that guy can reliably loop too.
Laughs in np5 jarcher
Who that?
@@Theone_who_askedjeanne d'arc archer
An idea you could do for Quick and Buster, is that you could do best looper for each class and then out of those pick the best five. I feel like it gives people targets for each class to summon for and then you can finish with who you think is the best
Might be a separate video
I've been saving for castoria have about 600+ pulls
Should I risk going for summer musashi or wait for a other looper after I got cas
wait for another looper
in my opinion just play it safe and wait for another
Unless you're aiming to NP5 Castoria, you should be fine going for both. Drop 200-250 pulls on Musashi and cut your losses if you don't get her.
Of course, if you meant to say you have 600+ Saint Quartz, then don't. You can probably get both, but it's not worth risking it.
Thanks for the help
I found out about the Emiya buff so I'll be good
There is space ishtar rerun and summer kama in the future trust me i spend 1200 on skadi i did no get her save for castoria
Lily is better than Muramasa simply because Vinci can abuse Castoria's double Np without even trying.
ur definitely trolling 💀💀
@@Kanzeons dude, Muramasa is an average looper in Arts. Everyone knows this 🙄.
He's more specialized for CQ.
Vinci on the other hand is highly optimized for farming. And again, can abuse double Castoria's atk up without relying on Card Draw RNG nor on whether support Castoria got mana loading append.
Basically guaranteed free 60% atk up on turn 3
Bro Muramasa is like S tier while lily is c tier what are you talking about lmfaoo. He can loop easily with 2004 and black grail and he does a stupid amount of crit damage on top of that 😂
@@r5yan102 not sure what to say here, I guess you thought "lily" is only Saber lily or something? If so, my bad but to clarify its Da Vinci Lily/ lolivinci here
No, I'm talking for pure NP looping potential here, and Muramasa doesn't have any self damage buff other than what his NP provides, and his is a ramping up one only, coupled with only 500 more attack than Vinci, no he ain't doing much damage on turn 1&2.
Heck Vinci will out damage him on T3 as well as she got guaranteed buff from 2 castorias.
He got 50% battery sure, but Vinci basically recharges herself 90% for turn three, so he got beat there too.
In what way is Muramasa a better looper than Vinci here?
@@Kanzeons lol ratio'd
I have to disagree about space Ishtar because in the context you're giving where if they're np1 then space Ishtar falls at number 5 because she is overly reliant on double castoria specifically where as the other 4 you mentioned can loop with Paracelsus, Nero bride and tamamo if castoria if not an option to use because you don't have her or couldn't find a friend who has one.
I know there's her 50 percent charge but even that by itself doesn't really help her at NP 1 regardless of class of servants you fight.
spishtar could already loop before castoria came. also tryna find a castoria in support is waaaay easier than finding the other 3 u mentioned. that scenario you're coming up with is really unlikely.
agree tho np1 dmg is eh
Ishtar so op with just NP1...with 1.1 base damage even its raw dmg can break the game
Looking at my NP3 Space Ishtar:
"Oh yeah, its all coming together"
For me as an NA player, my top five arts loopers are musashi berserker, jeanne archer, space ishtar, rider da Vinci and Anastasia at the moment but once I get Muramasa and Avenger kama in the future jeanne archer and Anastasia are gonna be in my honorable mentions. but I gotta ask, I have ganesha as a moon cancer, is she good at looping or not really? i haven't leveled her up yet at all
Glad I got space Ishtar with a summoning ticket last year lol.
go np 2/3 for a stabile play for years ahead.. np 1 is kinda lackluster unless you use it just for typical farm.. same case with musashi n some of em.. the only one that's ok dmg wise on np 1 is arjuna alter but prob is you cannot refund it so it's kinda annoying to 3T with him
@@kayyam9959 just got np 2 space Ishtar and np2 muramasa.
@@elfguy2007 Got Muramasa Np2, currently aiming to get a second copy of Space Ishtar.
@@adrkskn2540 Nice and goodluck
I saw the title, Top 5 NP loopers. I expected Squirtoria, the insane OG looper. left disappointed
He might be focusing on farmers, but in that case Mordred Rider could have been on this list for being an amazing QP grinding servant. Doesn’t even need Castoria, which is a big plus for me.
What's the name of the song when you're talking about DaVinci? Great video btw
Sieg, Surfer Mo, Vinci Loli, Melt
Dang looks like ZTL triggered a lot of people lol. Im pretty sure this is all his opinions guys. sheesh lol
because most of his takes are head scratchers?
@@DanTE_1203 /:
That's exactly why, it's his personal statements that people aren't taking too kindly
It's almost as if they ARE his opinions and none of theirs or something 🤔
People hate it when others give their opinion that’s why.
It’s maybe because he didn’t even mention one of the best arts loopers, summer kiara, in the slightest. Not even an honorable mention. She’s a top tier servant BECAUSE she can arts loop very easy. He either forgot or is bias, and neither us a good look.
doesnt summer kiara loop well? or is her lowish attack too much of a detriment?(she also has a 50% battery for the 3rd wave)
Davinci Lily at number 2 is just wrong. Especially at NP1, her damage is quite bad. It's funny, you said yourself that she's good because her niche is fighting casters, however that's a bad thing: literally everyone else in the top 5 is better against casters than Da Vinci. Against non-casters she just doesn't do enough damage. She has the best refund in the game, but against high hp neutral class nodes, she just won't do enough damage to even kill the enemies. Kama avenger, muramasa and summer musashi are all better, she only outperforms them in some niche cases where they're unable to loop and she can (against low HP enemies with irregular waves).
Cry about it
What's crazy that i got three of them of out of five because the other two are not in NA and they help out alot but ascensioning space ishtar is super hard
i have np 5 astarte in NA with 10 8 10 skill, and she can already loop with nero bride, paracelsus, and a plug suit, max her man, she's worth it, at the last wave, she can deal more than 170k+ of damage per enemy
@@SousukeAizen421 lucky it was really hard to get space ishtar i got lucky buying 30 saint quartz on the last day and got her and other two i got the day they arrive da vinci twice
I don't know why you'd hard lock all loopers at NP1. It'd kind of an unfair advantage for 5 stars since the average SQ to get 1 copy of a 5 star could net you 2 copies of a 4 star, so it's kind of a given that the 4 stars don't hold up in damage.
How is Kama an inferior looper to Spishtar? Just calculating things, Kama has lower np gain, but more hits, which results in having identical total base NP refund and better arts card for Kama. Also, unlike Spishtar, Kama doesn't have to whiff a battery to get her arts card buff for higher turn 1 refund. Even then, Spishtar has a 20% chance of missing her arts card buff, which is 10% lower than Kama's that ALWAYS procs. Anything Kama isn't getting enough refund from is something Spishtar won't clear. Plushie already did a comparison ua-cam.com/video/P5llpqaaTFw/v-deo.html . Kama is looping consistency and greater wave 3 damage VS Ishtar's wave 1-2 damage. So basically, it's the Spishtar (Kama) VS Musashi(Spishtar) debate. Kama's probably the best looper.
You forgot that kama's charm dosen't always proc and it's her main damage source. I don't get your argument about spishtar 3rd skill cause you can proc it first wave with BG. 80% is not that bad too honestly. Kama does more damage of the charm procs and have better no refund but spishtar is more consistant.
@@kenshi3436
Unless you're facing an odd unit to fight (like one of the goddess units in the knight classes or a unit with charm immunity which is rare), the charm's chance to miss is, at most, the same chance to miss Ishtar's 3rd skill. If the refund is a close call for Spishtar, that can harm her in a worse way than not simply having max damage.
That's counter productive. If you use Spishtar's 3rd skill wave 1 with black grail, you're either missing out on 30% np gen from Castoria's 2nd skill, or whiffing batteries from Castoria. There is 0 compromise with Kama.
@@desolatorstorm142 there are plenty of videos of spisthar farming with a bg so even tho she can miss 30%np gen it won't affect her that much.
@@kenshi3436 But are these 2 enemies or something that would give her difficulties? Conversely, how many nodes actually give Kama trouble in terms of damage that Spishtar dealt easily under the same setup?
Sakura vs Rin in 2021 never change type moon.
Sooo… if I have da Vinci lily NP 2, I still should pull for Ishtar? To cover my types of damage advantages?
Honestly, no. At NP 2, assuming foes, her damage will be enough to even farm assassin nodes as her refund will be covered be her first skill and NP refund on her NP. If for some reason you ever have issues with assassin nodes which should be your ONLY issue, you can always grail her to 100.
Dafuq are you smoking. Da Vinci Lily is strong but NP2 overcoming class advantage vs 150k HP Assassins is absolutely retarded.
You can do something nuts and give her a Black Grail with plugsuited Oberon or some shit, but that's retardedly inefficient, not to mention you could just bring a 4 star welfare Sieg to take care of Assassin nodes.
Edit: Tested her damage and an NP2 lvl100 2k/2k Fou'd Da Vinci Rider buffed by Double Castoria and 2004 MC can't cross 60k vs Assassins (and 120k on neutral)
Meanwhile a Space Ishtar with the same investment easily crosses 160k vs ALL classes except Mooncancers. Who are yknow, the rarest class.
I think Lily Vinci switches with Musashi as I’ve got both and they’re amazing but even though Musashi can’t loop for as long most teams need to loop only for 3-4 turns which Musashi can easily do but with more damage. I think Vinci is great if you need to loop forever. I have her at NP2 and even with just one Castoria she can easily loop like 4 times and against a ST enemy probably more if she can get some brave chains off. Double Castoria is practically overkill. I put in Waver for my back line and she can then loop pretty much more than you will ever need to. But still, Musashi will just hit harder and is more versatile cause she’s a berserker.
Muramasa is similar to Odysseus for me in that he hits like a truck and can loop but just requires more to loop so I think he should switch with Spishtar simply cause he is only gonna be used against when there are lancers otherwise you’d use Spishtar or Musashi. And honestly so many people could go into the 5th placement but given Muramasa is my favorite I think he deserves to be in top 5 haha
Lily could loop with Paracelsus and a Waver, she has such an ease looping it's a meme. She's a very stable looper, she suffers from damage but she's team oriented
@@christianvannucci6455 Exactly! And honestly I think at NP2 she does just enough where if I grail her she will probably be set. My favorite part is the fact she can loop so easily with a black grail or heavens feel it’s just insane. And her looping is so extra too, I’m pretty sure with my Castoria set up especially against 3 wave enemies she can pretty much loop infinitely!!!
@@pianoimpact7699 Her looping is so good it would probably be better for her to outright get just one Castoria's buffs, getting the other's buffs after, so that her loop ability would last 5-6 ish turns just because she can
@@christianvannucci6455 Oh for sure. Her NP Gen is so good that I’m betting that at NP5 with max grail and Fou’s she would probably be able to overcharge 200% loop with those Castoria buffs!
summer mordred :)
The best arts looper is void shiki
Hey fellow komi pfp
I have both kama and space ishtar at same np and kama loops better
yeah, since spistar hits less count and base skill of 20% arts and rng-ish
@@Edward-bb2uy While she loops better, I think he counted that it’s possible to loss 150% damage. With Kama.
@@sibsart2039 the ones she'll lose the 150% percent damage will only be when she's fighting againts king hassan or ash or other very small amount of naturally immune to charm servants as the 3rd wave boss, besides in a typical normal farming scenario, it's quite rare to meet them since most of it is going to be monsters and ect, anyways if he does count kama's loss, he should aslo count that 20% loss in spishtar's art mod so it can be more equal
@@Edward-bb2uy And while the damage is lost there, what’s more important the the 20 NP gain from the arts NP.
@@sibsart2039 you're talking about s kama or spishtar?
I put Vritra in top 5 bc she pretty
The Chaldea gurus would argue that Jason is better than muramasa. I know, I don’t get it either.
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@@ZTL If I recall correctly their main reasoning was that Jason is easier to level up because his materials are easier to farm and he only needs about two grails to get the damage he needs. They also reason that muramasa is a SSR and requires saint quartz so potentially money in order to get well Jason as a friend point servant.
Personally I think they just don’t like that he’s a Shirou face and that he has been hyped up so much. I don’t really get the material cost either because this is according to them Jason needs at minimum two of the only limited material in the entire game like you can farm just about anything endlessly but there is a finite number of grails.
They have had some very questionable opinions for some time now. I don't really take them seriously anymore.
@@ZTL The reason is because he has 5 hits instead of 3 hits on his np, and Jason gives a 20% arts buff per np instead of 10%, so he'll have an additional 40% arts buff on turn 3. Now this doesn't automatically make him better, but the argument is, if you are willing to grail Jason, he will be able to perform better than muramasa. They aren't saying Jason is just better than Muramasa as a 1 star, his stats are too low for that to happen. I haven't done the math, but that is their reasoning.
Top 1 should have been Jason...
Currently maxing him. Worth it
bro, where is my CEO ?
Space ishtar may be good on paper... but when you consider how long her np takes it is NOT worth it...
Honestly, I wonder which looping servant is both most consistent + short np. Hmmm....
If youre farming exp or qp just use servants like eric blood axe (only needs 250 atk fou to be consistent).
You're looking at S.kama, as long as you're not doing lvl90+, otherwise just use debuff resist down on enemies to make her loop properly
I have NP 2 Davinki an life is easy 🗿😂
I'm a bit sad that my girl Vritra is just an honorable mention but she really does have some problems.
In the Kama vs Spishtar debate I personally think Kama is kind of a better arts looper while Spishtar is a more flexible looper since buster (and technically quick but her quick looping is really lacking when compared to the other two) is also an option.
really? in terms of arts summer kama is better than spistar, spistar is a bit of rng-ish and more adaptable but not better than summer kama in arts looping
Kiara's attack is too low, might be in the discussion at NP2 but not at NP1.
Spishtar's damage gets better every wave because of her stackable oc. Kama's debuffs make her stronger for a single wave since she can only charm one of the waves to activate her oc. As for their ability to loop, in a vaccum, Kama is better at it than spishtar clearly, but with Castoria, they can both arts loop easily so its hard to compare them in just looping. I personally prefer Spishtar simply because Rin face lol but I think Kama is just as good and even better in some situations
@@ZTL ummm? i'm talking about summer Kama not summer kiara tho, but yes i do agree kiara needs np levels for her to hit hard, nevertheless still quite a reliable arts looper
@@RB-dr3dh i mean, if you're talking about np damage the best solution is np levels, besides we're talking about the capabilty to loop, and yes s kama is still better arts looper than spistar judging from their base skill, np hit count, and passives
@@ZTL still not answering my question how can spistar rank higher than summer Kama in arts looping
Cool, i don’t have ANY of those ahaha
Just use Arash