I don't work for Amazon corporate. I work for Amazon warehouse. We have a ping pong table, 50" screens, video game systems, etc. Our breaks are 30 min long with 2 15 min breaks in between. I've never seen anyone use those things for more than 10 min. Usually most people are just rushing to eat their food and get ready to work again. It seem like they just put those there for when they do tours for the public.
After working from home for two years with zero problems, the other people in the office complained I was getting special treatment and I was forced to go work in one of these open spaces. My productivity plummeted. I went from working 5 or 6 hours a day to around 12 hours plus commute. I lasted three months and quit. I would take my laptop and sit in the stairwell (which no one ever used) just so I could concentrate, one day some scouting mission came to find me and I got in trouble for being "disrespectful" of others in case they wanted to walk on the stairs. It was so hypocritical.
Man... All I want to do sometimes is go to the stairs and leave my noisy open office space... It´s not hard to imagine those morons and their scouting mission... DAMN...
Thank you for your experience and your personal results! HR people and management/ PL do not want to communicate openly that HO is possible and can lead to more efficiency!
@@z00h Made up or not... I LITERALLY know of examples from my ex-company... including myself... So I do believe this story might be true. Whether this person experienced it or not who posted this.
It literally costs ~$1.5 per sqf of dry wall but ~$25-30 for tempered glass. These companies are paying x17/18 more money to build these open/glass box offices and make their workers less efficient just for the illusion of team work or modernism
its not about productivity its about enslaving and controlling the population. The big companies in the world do not need to make profit (look at amazon) their purpose is not profit even if they tell you this, they are just there to enslave people. They don't need to make money they are already rich. They just want everybody to be busy so they are not able to think about what is going on in the world today. Its like the matrix.
Exactly. I'm more efficient working 1h from home vs 8h at an open office with hundred people talking and moving around.. They don't seem to understand that most people need quiet space to work efficiently.
working in a steel factory sure is better right? Or drilling holes in the ground. Breaking your back or something else by age 30 because you started working at age 13. Sure was better before all these "millenials" got ideas like having a nice office. Pfft! I would rather break my back while my manager who made 100 times more money then me looked at me and complained with a smirk on his face. So much better then some young HR girl who looks over the workers.
So good to see Josh and his Dad bond like this on camera. Especially considering they were both treated terribly and dastardly by the corporate world. Josh, I know your dad is so proud of you---you give him so much hope and gratification that despite all the hardships, his greatest feat was you. Stay gritty bro!! Respect!
There are so many superfluous "perks" in today's work environments, but wages have stagnated. That's the real problem there. Outside of free meals and coffee, everything is just fluff. Sleeping rooms, Game Rooms, Foosball Tables, etc. It's all just a bunch of money being thrown at the wrong thing because people have equated "perks" with job satisfaction. In reality, none of that stuff ever gets used because everyone is busy working. I would much rather have a 20% raise in my salary than access to a gym or a napping area at work.
I'll take the napping area though. I always take a power nap during lunch but have to do it at my desk and get red marks all over my face. Ya girl has insomnia and never gets a solid awesome night of sleep no matter what I try.
@@kameraadthomas Perks are great. Like paid time off beyond 2 weeks, subsidized commuting, a generous bonus program, a fair salary based off cost of living, company sponsored training/schooling, maternity and paternity leave for example. There are many real perks that a job can offer that would significantly improve your career life. "Perks" like "Fun Areas" "Corporate Retreats" "Laundry Service (Facebook does this for real)" "Sleeping zones" "Open office environment" are what's fucking shit. These companies want labor for cheap and they hope to trick people with fluff instead of giving them what they really need.
At my job, it's the boomer HR director who keeps pushing all the faux teamwork clichés and team-building exercises. She is so busy trying to ingratiate herself with the Millenials yet doesn't allow for ANY remote work, ever. She says that the workers who spend 90% of the day talking and laughing are great team players while the ones you know, actually working, are dinged for not being collegial.
@@THEGAMINGHELP101 Agree. I can't tell you how much I hate this "OK, Boomer stuff" and stereotypes about Millenials being lazy, and on and on. Lucky Gen Xers are escaping the fray for now.
I really like these videos you do with your dad. I lost my dad suddenly from a heart attack almost six years ago. Sometimes I wonder how he would have thought of things like this or other world events or even mundane things that have happened since then. I chuckle to think what he would have thought about memes. Cherish the time, my friend.
The money thing is so true. At my first job, I worked with a guy who kept changing his major at a private university. After 13 years, he graduated with $250K in student loans.
Without universities, we wouldn't have well supported PhD students for major sciences like Physics, Chem, and Bio. Universities host bright students in hope they will come up with solutions to world's problems. Now some majors are actually such a waste. But out of respect, let people do their thing. Sometimes you'll walk by a business class and the professor is on the board with "Revenue = Profit - cost" and people are writing it down as if it's real notes. But you have to let them do what they want; it's their money.
We have meeting at my company today and my manager showed list of coworkers with the most slack messages...somebody had more than 10 000 messages a month and they celebrated that coworker as the most productive person. A lot of people in the corporate world thinks that writing 400 messages a day in Slack is productivity.
Nice solid metric, Mr. Pointy-Haired Manager. Let's make it a KPI! (I'll just be writing up a script which says hello every morning and asks everyone how their previous evening was, considering just how basic your average cubicle normie is you could probably make a whole library for small talk .... WITHOUT even requiring AI, but if I REALLY want top "productivity" marks with this manager it's time to look at the replika.ai API specs).
Your boss is not a smart guy. What a deseperated way to measure performance, instead of completed task... This kind of things force employees to do unnecesary activities
True story: I worked as a senior programmer analyst and they had semi-open offices. The roof leaked over mine, so they gave me a small private conference room for a few months. My productivity rose so much, they had to rewrite my review and doubled my raise. I've been a programmer for decades and I love private rooms where I can concentrate on the work. Good news on the "open office" trend, there's at least been some discussion about how distracting it is.
Damn man, his father NAILED it: "Yeah but in five years with that kind of lifestyle, aren't you just going to be a burnout?" DAMN, he understands it, that hit me.
I've been in a few places, including the glass cubicle office with ping pong and foosball and the "open office"... The common thing they all said was: " we do allow you to work from home, but we do want you to come in ""for social reasons..."""". Seriously, 9 out of 10 times - the perks are there to hide the fact that management either consists of assholes or dumbasses. They can't satisfy you as a person or a pillar of support, so they shower you with gifts and perks... I just started out as a service & installaton technician, though - and within a month, i'm already enjoying it way more than any dev job i've had. Got my own office, got the rainy days to get creative and help devise new solutions and tinker with new equipment... best of all, I get to go outside on the sunny days and enjoy the fresh air, and can usually install or fix equipment at my own pace. Manager breathing down my neck? Hell no! He's barely even there, or i'm 50 miles away :D Foosball and ping-pong? Not present and not needed! Nap time? Lean back the seat in the van and take a 20-min powernap. I may be done with an install at 11:30am and next customer might be ready at 1pm - hell yeah, extended lunch for me. Time to do some shopping or whatever is needed :) Commute? If I need to do a round trip, I take the company van home the day before, and just get started with my day as I feel like. Most of the places and people I get keys from are usually ready at 9 - so yeah, taking it slow :) Seriously - I never considered that a job like this could be so satisfying and relaxing. Yet, no trouble sleeping at night - I get tired in a good way... :) Today, i've got a few surveys and measurements to do (I do install and set up for a wireless internet service provider), and an install that needs to be finished up. Tomorrow? a new install and one that needs to have his equipment upgraded... that is, if it doesn't rain. Crawling on roofs to install antennae is too dangerous when they're wet - they can get real slippery :)
shh, our overlords are watching. but for real though, Anand giridharadhas talks about neofeudalism, and at this point i think that corporate feudalism is the new norm in America.
Currently inbetween jobs, genuinely think I suck at programming just can’t get good, been feeling pretty shit recently but ngl I cant wait to watch this and feel better thank you ceo of google Facebook LinkedIn
Shashank Rajesh thanks man, sorta gave up after watching this but decided to get my ass into gear and carry. Wanting to learn react so I’ve gone right back to basic html and css atm, going to edit this to html sass and then aim for JS and then start with react. Hopefully after getting to a decent level in react start with node. Easier said than done but I’ve got no choice I guess, going over the basics yet again but gotta start somewhere I guess
@@prozacgod hey man I'm really interested in react right now and I would like to have a mentor that can guide me through the way. No need to spoonfeed me, I just need some guidance. I would really appreciate it if you can help me.
It always amazed me those guys who work with the laptop on their laps, sitting on a bean bag or slouching on the couch. Do you actually get any work done ? I may be old school, but I need a proper chair, and a proper desk. If what you need is a break, why not just take a break on the bean bag...without the laptop ?
Because then you're not making the appearance of working. The reason this crap exists is for marketing. Upper management wins contracts by showing how hard working their employees are. The easiest way to do that is glass walls where everyone comes to work. Bullshitting a client is seen as more valuable than hardwork.
if you have any self control then yes you can get work done like that. the issue is that a lot of the management has the same train of taught as you do so people who actually use those things will be written off as slackers. they are purely there so that the company looks attractive to new people or people who do tours and stuff
I need a proper display, a small laptop one just means constant jumping around between editors / windows / desktops, ie. constant involuntary context switches.
For back pain or injury recovery, comfort is an important accommodation. I have my home setup hacked so I can periodically lay on a pillow, dock my laptop, and use dual monitors at ground level.
Similar in Europe (the offices architecture, burnouts), except no personal student debt. But I would say the work culture is a bit more relaxed in general, at least from what I can see. Having too many distractions is a constant complaint from us developers to the management, and there have been some improvements (e.g. 1-2 person isolated focus rooms), but still a long way to go.
Honestly the whole chaos thing is so true. I have ADHD and, while I am on meds, stuff still does disract me so when I'm in office I usually have on my headphones with white noise to drown out the others. People think I'm a dick but it helps me 🤷♀️
Infantilism is the new craze - work infantilism, social infantilism. Make everything for babies - dystopian E rated speech and thought, kid-targeted environments, being treated like a kid Reminds me in some way of a mission in the game Yakuza where a boss is into adult baby roleplay and his subordinates follow along. You defeat him and hear the subordinates thank you for saving them from being forced by their boss into being adult babies. Today's world is a forced adult baby playground.
We've got the open plan glass wall office deal going on at my workplace, I hate that they've removed all the meeting rooms that didn't have glass walls as there's now nowhere to have a private phone call or something (during lunch, obviously...). I have a hard time focusing in general, and moments where my colleagues' chatter distracts me every other minute really frustrate me. I often take my computer to the cafeteria so I can try to focus. Then people come to the cafeteria to play on the pool table that's in there, so that idea goes out the window. :/
I'd come into work like 5 hours early just so I can actually work and not be distracted and annoyed. For introverted people who just want to get the job done and needs time alone to properly organize their thoughts, clear and open cubicles are an absolute fucking nightmare.
I remember reading a thread on reddit with a bunch of stories about these ''fun employee lounges'' where most of the time if you are caught in them, even if its during lunch, it will be used against you.
It's like at my old job, they had an Xbox, a Wii, and a Playstation, but the remotes were gathering dust and I could tell no one had picked them up in weeks.
I have seen programmers absolutely lose their cool in open offices - because they can't concentrate on a problem when people are talking around the water cooler. Good to see your Dad back. He's a cool cat :)
My grandpa CPA firm Is extremely quiet during even the middle of the week. Everybody has their own office. When the door is closed due respect that person is unavailable.
But Josh, how is management going to lord over you and feel like they have a big peepee? Even though telecommuting would spare our crumbling and over utilized North American infrastructure, and it would save a company by not renting physical space. The ego of the Acting Director of Directing Direction is clearly more important.
You have an understanding dad who is both jovial and openly great personality; you're so lucky to have such a dad talking with you constructively and I'm so glad to know your dad's life experience at his own workplace, and shared his thought with yours. Hi Keep it up, give my best regards to your Great Dad!
Looking for work in Web Development now and this thing on Indeed popped asking me to take a survey on work culture preferences. It asked about popular “perks” like flexible hours and being able to wear sandals at the job and all I could do was roll my eyes. A box came up for custom suggestions and I wrote that it was embarrassing that jobs consider wearing sandals a benefit to working there but didn’t bother to suggest healthcare, retirement or paid family leave. This all just seems like an elaborate scheme to get rid of meaningful benefits and replace them with things that cost the company literally nothing to provide but then use them to tell workers how grateful they should be that there are ping pong tables at their jobs. I don’t need ping pong tables, Karen, I need a 401k.
Josh, you need to condense these ideas and put them into book and ebook format. Your ideas also need to be on a TED stage. This is so important. If we don’t fix this, the economy will slowly die behind these kindergarten camps.
Recent studies of open, communal workplaces have shown that they REDUCE productivity. By a significant margin. Far more than the extra space would cost to give people privacy.. which is why I work from home now!!
Studies show that if you work in 20 minute increments and take a break you are most productive (see Jim Quick on UA-cam) And, if you Move during the break, you change your physiology and your brain such that you optimize your brain output. I usually don’t take breaks every 20 minutes. Of course if you are a lazy ass and don’t work, you don’t need a ping pong table or other things to distract you, you just won’t work and produce. Me personally, if I’m in Flow, I can literally work like 4-6 hours straight. Sometimes I’m sleepy and need a 15 minute nap (I have children that wake me up at night) to use my brain effectively, and wish there was a nap room. If I’m working from home, I just take a nap. I’ve worked with people that go to the restroom and take a nap there. I’ve never used the ping pong tables. A recent study done at Microsoft Japan (of course not in the US ...as the US can be a slave driver at times) showed that people were more productive when working a 4 day workweek as opposed to 5 day work week.
"I’ve worked with people that go to the restroom and take a nap there." Glad to hear I'm not the only one. I've worked in offices that were so noisy that the only way you could get a few moments of peace and quiet was by going to the restroom. "A recent study done at Microsoft Japan (of course not in the US ...as the US can be a slave driver at times) showed that people were more productive when working a 4 day workweek as opposed to 5 day work week." I'll gladly believe it. Two days simply aren't enough to de-stress and relax, especially when those two days are where you're trying to do all the chores around the house that you skipped during the week because you were too tired to do it after work. The sad thing is that we're so indoctrinated with the Monday to Friday, 9 to 5 mentality that we're not even bothering to ask ourselves if there's a better and smarter way to do our work.
Working remotely, I rarely nap, but do spend my coffee breaks lying on the sofa or bed organizing my thoughts. The 20 minutes thing, I think, is for learning new stuff.
When I look around an office and it looks like a daycare center for adults, I know I'm in the wrong place. Working at a place like this has always made me unhappy, but did not know why until now.
I don’t like ambient noise in the office. I work best after everyone’s gone. Earphones and music don’t help to mask movements and sound during working hours.
"All this openness and space promotes distraction". This! I worked in an open space office and it was the only things I had. Noise, loud laughter from the coworkers and lots of distraction.
You should do a compilation about millenial offices of your viewers, I'll be glad to show photos about how "Kindergartenish" is the office of the company I work here in Colombia (and It's a big one). Greetings
3:05 your dad is right. It's just distraction. This kind of environment was making me nervous, inefficient, stressed etc. I was working in an open space with 30 people on average, consisting of 3 different groups (sellers, call center, analytics). Immagine focusing when there are 3-4 different conversations going on around you at any moment! (Forget about everyone seeing everything). And yes, I was micromanaged heavily.
They enjoy purchasing expensive and luxurious buildings because they appreciate in value, it's an investment for the company and has nothing to do with providing a safe work environment for you.
Was just thinking today while working on a work project "havent seen Josh post a vid for a few days, imma check", and HERE WE ARE. I definitely enjoy these vids with your pops.
It's a little sad things ended the way they did, I do hope you keep this video up, more to show the journey and everything involved, however, I would understand if you take it down as well
Seeing these vids I'm so glad I took a trade. 2.5 years of trade school = 19 - 25hr START without all this fluffy bs. Work hard eat right, stretch and your good. You'll make about 80k before your friends even graduate.
My dad did it from 1967 to 2005 carpenters and later plumbers. If you eat right and exercise properly you'll be fine. The office/sedimentary lifestyle will kill you far sooner as all the stress eats you from the inside out.
Love these Boomer & Millennial vids! I have worked in both an old school environment (tall cubes, formal dress, a more passive style of management) and the newer office environment with open office, micro management and perks galore. I have to say, they are both not perfect. The ideal for me would be somewhere in the middle. I liked the 'half' cubes, you still had a bit of privacy and a sense of 'home away from home' because you could make the space your own and they were great for team collaboration at the same time, but that phase didn't last long. I do enjoy dressing down(ie jeans) but not to the point of sweats & t-shirt...I find when you take pride in how you dress a bit for work, it makes you feel better and productivity goes up as well. I don't like the micro managing at all in the new places. My very first job I was stashed away in the corner in a tall cubicle. Did I play games all day? No way, there was no time, we had quotas & expectations! I'm an extremely loyal employee and I find the new style a little insulting. If you treat me like an ADULT, a mutual respect builds. I miss this about the old places. The amount of work that you produced would just speak for itself and you were rewarded for that. To be honest, who cares if Joe Millennial is playing the odd game if his work is top notch and is done? I'm retraining to be a UX/UI designer/developer and I'm really scared, I sure hope they allow noise cancelling headphones!
In a relatively open office, all I have to do is put on headphones with some smooth jazz or something and hide behind my monitor wall so there are no distractions.
And my colleagues think that I'm crazy because I think open space office is BS. They can't see how the company is using them(resources). My parents told me I should be greatful for working in such a place. For me, it is like a prison.
Open office is pain. I like my work generally but I just want to be left alone for a few consecutive hours every day to do my job and somehow it seems that's too much to ask for.
I kind of envy that guy for taking a nap at work. I assume there is a limit, like you can't come in and just sleep for 8 hours, but naps being officially permitted would be amazing for me. Legitimately, my best coding work has been done at home, partly because it's quiet, and partially because my brain just glosses and tries to knock me out when I'm just absorbing shit loads of API references or technical manuals. When I just lay down and rest for a bit, I'm back at peak performance and finding myself having actually absorbed the information properly.
Coming in early. On one hand - no traffic and no distraction in the office, before everyone else comes in. On other hand - right before it is time to leave something is wrong and it can't wait till tomorrow.
I'd like to hear your father's struggle as a boomer. It sounds like it was easier to obtain a 'meaningful' education and a house in his time but the longevity wasn't there.
preach it I had to wear headphones 9 hours a day and worse I had to wear tunnel glasses because my "cube" had no walls and no privacy. I just started working from home after 2 weeks, (my whole team was on the east coast while I live on the west coast) for two years and then was forced to leave because I "wasn't a team player" and "did know how to program".. 20+ years software engineer here..
As someone who finally got a job in the dev Industry (definitely thanks to you Josh) . This isn't how it is at all places. I don't have a pool table or xbox, and as he was saying that shit is entrapment. My company knows they have a job to do, yes we are in a shark tank (open office space) but it really is vital for collaboration. The compensation is great, especially for a junior role, we get a remote day (for now) but it is work, they don't baby you, you have a job, do it or your out essentially. I guess I would agree with this video on the shit companies try to pull to baby you and control you but there are really good dev jobs out there, I'm living proof.
I work in one of those open environments. It's a good thing I grew up in a big family so I can tune everything out. I also have headphones with white noise sounds. Our company is moving to a place where there are more quiet spaces for working,.
Truly admire your relationship with your dad. Pls continue to help him and have quality time with him. The reward would be soon. He is so happy with you together.
A company I worked for decided to buy Nintendo Wii to be cool. It would get used exactly twice a year, Christmas Eve and New Years Eve when most of the office would leave early and the only people left in the building was support who need to stay until 5pm just in case the phone rang, which it almost never did because everyone at other companies that would call us had also left early.
Joshua "If I work harder it doesn't matter, I just have to be here for 8 hours". A sad development, do the minimum required, blame everyone else, achieve your own success by being the youtube channel for people who constantly blame others for their lack of success. I'm no John Sonmez, but this is a dark path. Of course, there is a lot of BS out there, but let's focus on the good, take on a challenge that leads to personal development, rather than being constantly the victim and poisoning others with this mindset.
Oh come on. Think about it. If you work harder, it doesn't matter. You are buying the CEO and its investors a great exit that you wont be part of. My.mindset is clear, take the job if you want to, but dont be fooled.
I don't work for Amazon corporate. I work for Amazon warehouse. We have a ping pong table, 50" screens, video game systems, etc. Our breaks are 30 min long with 2 15 min breaks in between. I've never seen anyone use those things for more than 10 min. Usually most people are just rushing to eat their food and get ready to work again.
It seem like they just put those there for when they do tours for the public.
They do it for tours of potential customers and for executives. It gives the impression that they are humane without actually asking employees.
More like to attract the newly hires
New hires: woah we can play video games
Old hires: gl with that buddy
We need a "Ex google, ex facebook, ex husband tech lead meets ceo of google, facebook, linkedin, also ex husband" video.
lmao
hahahahahahahahahahhahaha. That dude is a robot man. so funny
(as a Milionaire)
You forgot??? Oh by the way this video is sponsored by "any shit here"
That will be amazing vid.
Tech lead is quite a character.
After working from home for two years with zero problems, the other people in the office complained I was getting special treatment and I was forced to go work in one of these open spaces. My productivity plummeted. I went from working 5 or 6 hours a day to around 12 hours plus commute. I lasted three months and quit. I would take my laptop and sit in the stairwell (which no one ever used) just so I could concentrate, one day some scouting mission came to find me and I got in trouble for being "disrespectful" of others in case they wanted to walk on the stairs. It was so hypocritical.
Ooof
Man... All I want to do sometimes is go to the stairs and leave my noisy open office space... It´s not hard to imagine those morons and their scouting mission... DAMN...
Thank you for your experience and your personal results! HR people and management/ PL do not want to communicate openly that HO is possible and can lead to more efficiency!
Pink Puffin this is a made up story, right?
@@z00h Made up or not... I LITERALLY know of examples from my ex-company... including myself... So I do believe this story might be true. Whether this person experienced it or not who posted this.
It literally costs ~$1.5 per sqf of dry wall but ~$25-30 for tempered glass. These companies are paying x17/18 more money to build these open/glass box offices and make their workers less efficient just for the illusion of team work or modernism
Keff Jennedy : it's all about keeping every employee in view of security cameras
its not about productivity its about enslaving and controlling the population. The big companies in the world do not need to make profit (look at amazon) their purpose is not profit even if they tell you this, they are just there to enslave people. They don't need to make money they are already rich. They just want everybody to be busy so they are not able to think about what is going on in the world today. Its like the matrix.
Social experiment
Exactly. I'm more efficient working 1h from home vs 8h at an open office with hundred people talking and moving around.. They don't seem to understand that most people need quiet space to work efficiently.
Do you think the tempered glass might be a side effect of#metoo?
"It promotes chaos". Your pops was spot on with that one 🤣
+Giga Mesh They "operate" better in chaos, but I would never call what they do "working" or "productive".
Yeah the ideal environment for sociopaths and busybodies to undermine and sabotage.
working in a steel factory sure is better right? Or drilling holes in the ground. Breaking your back or something else by age 30 because you started working at age 13. Sure was better before all these "millenials" got ideas like having a nice office. Pfft! I would rather break my back while my manager who made 100 times more money then me looked at me and complained with a smirk on his face. So much better then some young HR girl who looks over the workers.
I don't want fun, I want MONEY.
@Boj Z grow up. Seriously.
@@christianjamesguevarra6257 /whooooooosh
@@monsterboomer8051 No bully Trevor he only knows about vampire slaying and vampires are incapable of sarcasm.
Yes I can have fun with my friends and family, thank you
So good to see Josh and his Dad bond like this on camera. Especially considering they were both treated terribly and dastardly by the corporate world. Josh, I know your dad is so proud of you---you give him so much hope and gratification that despite all the hardships, his greatest feat was you. Stay gritty bro!! Respect!
I do my best to provide a decent life.
@@JoshuaFluke1 lol
😂
@@od7969 I know.....its all different now.
Weird to see this video after this whole family exposed stuff
I totally agree.
Is forgiving his father and trying to help him get a job
cringe
Was trying to create income possibilities with dad person...
@@xmikeox lol, hater
There are so many superfluous "perks" in today's work environments, but wages have stagnated. That's the real problem there. Outside of free meals and coffee, everything is just fluff. Sleeping rooms, Game Rooms, Foosball Tables, etc. It's all just a bunch of money being thrown at the wrong thing because people have equated "perks" with job satisfaction. In reality, none of that stuff ever gets used because everyone is busy working. I would much rather have a 20% raise in my salary than access to a gym or a napping area at work.
This gets repeated every video.. we get it, perks are fucking shit
perks gets used... by the people who don't do the actual work
I'll take the napping area though. I always take a power nap during lunch but have to do it at my desk and get red marks all over my face. Ya girl has insomnia and never gets a solid awesome night of sleep no matter what I try.
I actually didn't mind having a gym at work. However foosball tables, game rooms, team outings, company lunches and other bullshit can go away.
@@kameraadthomas Perks are great. Like paid time off beyond 2 weeks, subsidized commuting, a generous bonus program, a fair salary based off cost of living, company sponsored training/schooling, maternity and paternity leave for example. There are many real perks that a job can offer that would significantly improve your career life. "Perks" like "Fun Areas" "Corporate Retreats" "Laundry Service (Facebook does this for real)" "Sleeping zones" "Open office environment" are what's fucking shit. These companies want labor for cheap and they hope to trick people with fluff instead of giving them what they really need.
At my job, it's the boomer HR director who keeps pushing all the faux teamwork clichés and team-building exercises. She is so busy trying to ingratiate herself with the Millenials yet doesn't allow for ANY remote work, ever. She says that the workers who spend 90% of the day talking and laughing are great team players while the ones you know, actually working, are dinged for not being collegial.
I live for the day this management style, dies. Blessings to Josh for having the courage to discuss it openly.
thats stupid
Coders need to focus on automating HR, so no more HR employees like her needed. She can collaborate on unemployment!
All this boomer vs millennial stuff is stupid. I have seen both groups do similar stupid shit and both groups have their own unique pros and cons.
@@THEGAMINGHELP101 Agree. I can't tell you how much I hate this "OK, Boomer stuff" and stereotypes about Millenials being lazy, and on and on. Lucky Gen Xers are escaping the fray for now.
I really like these videos you do with your dad. I lost my dad suddenly from a heart attack almost six years ago. Sometimes I wonder how he would have thought of things like this or other world events or even mundane things that have happened since then. I chuckle to think what he would have thought about memes. Cherish the time, my friend.
"no dental plan or 401k but we got PS4 baby!"
You will get your coverage also just wait til Dentist Simulator PS4 comes out if it hasn't already.
but you do get those... like top tier
I suspect Amazon and Ebay does give a 401k to be fair
@@nathanthomas1742 they give RSUs, restricted stocks, 50-100k over 4 years
@@bhagyeshur As a European I'm not sure what that is haha
I wonder if the bathrooms have glass windows as well
Might as well. Let’s go full prison-style chic!
It happened. Google for "Public toilet in China"
demolitionist42 While we’re at it, why not have a toilet completely made out of glass
edit: typo
It's not about sexual harassment. It's about upper management getting off on watching people work.
It's to prevent harrassment. Duh
Work culture is very different in Germany.
In Germany we say "Are you coming for lunch?" in German, not in English.
That's why we're different.
Nope, you say "Mahlzeit!"
The money thing is so true. At my first job, I worked with a guy who kept changing his major at a private university. After 13 years, he graduated with $250K in student loans.
I like how this channel has devoted content to tearing down the broken and immiserating panoptic corpoate culture.
Andrew Kloster: "The biggest wealth transfer in American history has been from the middle class to universities."
well put
The administrators are just pyramid scheme pushers
Without universities, we wouldn't have well supported PhD students for major sciences like Physics, Chem, and Bio. Universities host bright students in hope they will come up with solutions to world's problems.
Now some majors are actually such a waste. But out of respect, let people do their thing. Sometimes you'll walk by a business class and the professor is on the board with "Revenue = Profit - cost" and people are writing it down as if it's real notes. But you have to let them do what they want; it's their money.
+Frol Zapolsky .... and from the government to the privately owned central bank known as the Federal Reserve.
@@thatsreallyamoon isnt it : revenue = profit + cost?
@@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593 then from the fed to the Rothschild family and other families that dont officially exist
Joshua i have a question for you: are you coming for lunch?
*whispering* yes
Let's just all have lunch together.
Joshua Fluke: Love this conversation guys, is that Flash4 .fla (which we still use for no reason) ready yet Buddy?
We have meeting at my company today and my manager showed list of coworkers with the most slack messages...somebody had more than 10 000 messages a month and they celebrated that coworker as the most productive person. A lot of people in the corporate world thinks that writing 400 messages a day in Slack is productivity.
'look at all these gifs'
I guess this topic is also material for corporate cringe! Slack and chatting, especially the private groups you can create
Nice solid metric, Mr. Pointy-Haired Manager. Let's make it a KPI! (I'll just be writing up a script which says hello every morning and asks everyone how their previous evening was, considering just how basic your average cubicle normie is you could probably make a whole library for small talk .... WITHOUT even requiring AI, but if I REALLY want top "productivity" marks with this manager it's time to look at the replika.ai API specs).
Your boss is not a smart guy. What a deseperated way to measure performance, instead of completed task... This kind of things force employees to do unnecesary activities
Your father is an awesome person! Wealth and health to both of you!
Seeing this format in 2020 hits really hard
True story: I worked as a senior programmer analyst and they had semi-open offices. The roof leaked over mine, so they gave me a small private conference room for a few months. My productivity rose so much, they had to rewrite my review and doubled my raise. I've been a programmer for decades and I love private rooms where I can concentrate on the work.
Good news on the "open office" trend, there's at least been some discussion about how distracting it is.
Damn man, his father NAILED it:
"Yeah but in five years with that kind of lifestyle, aren't you just going to be a burnout?"
DAMN, he understands it, that hit me.
I've been in a few places, including the glass cubicle office with ping pong and foosball and the "open office"... The common thing they all said was: " we do allow you to work from home, but we do want you to come in ""for social reasons..."""".
Seriously, 9 out of 10 times - the perks are there to hide the fact that management either consists of assholes or dumbasses. They can't satisfy you as a person or a pillar of support, so they shower you with gifts and perks...
I just started out as a service & installaton technician, though - and within a month, i'm already enjoying it way more than any dev job i've had. Got my own office, got the rainy days to get creative and help devise new solutions and tinker with new equipment... best of all, I get to go outside on the sunny days and enjoy the fresh air, and can usually install or fix equipment at my own pace.
Manager breathing down my neck? Hell no! He's barely even there, or i'm 50 miles away :D
Foosball and ping-pong? Not present and not needed!
Nap time? Lean back the seat in the van and take a 20-min powernap. I may be done with an install at 11:30am and next customer might be ready at 1pm - hell yeah, extended lunch for me. Time to do some shopping or whatever is needed :)
Commute? If I need to do a round trip, I take the company van home the day before, and just get started with my day as I feel like. Most of the places and people I get keys from are usually ready at 9 - so yeah, taking it slow :)
Seriously - I never considered that a job like this could be so satisfying and relaxing. Yet, no trouble sleeping at night - I get tired in a good way... :)
Today, i've got a few surveys and measurements to do (I do install and set up for a wireless internet service provider), and an install that needs to be finished up. Tomorrow? a new install and one that needs to have his equipment upgraded... that is, if it doesn't rain. Crawling on roofs to install antennae is too dangerous when they're wet - they can get real slippery :)
Tylonfoxx being a field technician is fun, you’re on point with everything you’ve said. It’s satisfying and no one breathes down your neck.
Open offices remind me too much of the concept panopticon, and those were originally meant for prisons.
You never know when the Jailer might be watching, so you best always be on your best behavior
shh, our overlords are watching. but for real though, Anand giridharadhas talks about neofeudalism, and at this point i think that corporate feudalism is the new norm in America.
Currently inbetween jobs, genuinely think I suck at programming just can’t get good, been feeling pretty shit recently but ngl I cant wait to watch this and feel better thank you ceo of google Facebook LinkedIn
Shashank Rajesh thanks man, sorta gave up after watching this but decided to get my ass into gear and carry.
Wanting to learn react so I’ve gone right back to basic html and css atm, going to edit this to html sass and then aim for JS and then start with react. Hopefully after getting to a decent level in react start with node.
Easier said than done but I’ve got no choice I guess, going over the basics yet again but gotta start somewhere I guess
I'm terrible too, dont even worry about it. We just keep going til someone gives us a chance
Joshua Fluke damn big words from the ceo of Facebook LinkedIn and the world, thanks dude will keep trying
@@prozacgod hey man I'm really interested in react right now and I would like to have a mentor that can guide me through the way. No need to spoonfeed me, I just need some guidance. I would really appreciate it if you can help me.
This was only 6 months ago. Hope ur ok man
It always amazed me those guys who work with the laptop on their laps, sitting on a bean bag or slouching on the couch. Do you actually get any work done ? I may be old school, but I need a proper chair, and a proper desk. If what you need is a break, why not just take a break on the bean bag...without the laptop ?
Because then you're not making the appearance of working. The reason this crap exists is for marketing. Upper management wins contracts by showing how hard working their employees are. The easiest way to do that is glass walls where everyone comes to work. Bullshitting a client is seen as more valuable than hardwork.
if you have any self control then yes you can get work done like that. the issue is that a lot of the management has the same train of taught as you do so people who actually use those things will be written off as slackers. they are purely there so that the company looks attractive to new people or people who do tours and stuff
I need a proper display, a small laptop one just means constant jumping around between editors / windows / desktops, ie. constant involuntary context switches.
For back pain or injury recovery, comfort is an important accommodation. I have my home setup hacked so I can periodically lay on a pillow, dock my laptop, and use dual monitors at ground level.
You've convinced me, I'm going to ask for the janitor's closet in the basement as my cubicle in my next job
They will write you up for being away from one of the hot desk open office workstations and out of view.
Similar in Europe (the offices architecture, burnouts), except no personal student debt. But I would say the work culture is a bit more relaxed in general, at least from what I can see. Having too many distractions is a constant complaint from us developers to the management, and there have been some improvements (e.g. 1-2 person isolated focus rooms), but still a long way to go.
Honestly the whole chaos thing is so true. I have ADHD and, while I am on meds, stuff still does disract me so when I'm in office I usually have on my headphones with white noise to drown out the others. People think I'm a dick but it helps me 🤷♀️
Infantilism is the new craze - work infantilism, social infantilism. Make everything for babies - dystopian E rated speech and thought, kid-targeted environments, being treated like a kid
Reminds me in some way of a mission in the game Yakuza where a boss is into adult baby roleplay and his subordinates follow along. You defeat him and hear the subordinates thank you for saving them from being forced by their boss into being adult babies.
Today's world is a forced adult baby playground.
You hit the nail right in the balls with this one
As an adult admitting he plays video games you certainly helped drive your point home.
Maybe this would explain some animation trends. You see the guy who developed Thundercats Roar?
I thought the whole man-child craze ended a decade ago... Sadly I was wrong.
Silent weapons for quiet wars
We've got the open plan glass wall office deal going on at my workplace, I hate that they've removed all the meeting rooms that didn't have glass walls as there's now nowhere to have a private phone call or something (during lunch, obviously...). I have a hard time focusing in general, and moments where my colleagues' chatter distracts me every other minute really frustrate me. I often take my computer to the cafeteria so I can try to focus. Then people come to the cafeteria to play on the pool table that's in there, so that idea goes out the window. :/
"We take out huge student loans to get 6 figure jobs to pay back the loans"
I'd come into work like 5 hours early just so I can actually work and not be distracted and annoyed. For introverted people who just want to get the job done and needs time alone to properly organize their thoughts, clear and open cubicles are an absolute fucking nightmare.
I remember reading a thread on reddit with a bunch of stories about these ''fun employee lounges'' where most of the time if you are caught in them, even if its during lunch, it will be used against you.
It's like at my old job, they had an Xbox, a Wii, and a Playstation, but the remotes were gathering dust and I could tell no one had picked them up in weeks.
I have seen programmers absolutely lose their cool in open offices - because they can't concentrate on a problem when people are talking around the water cooler. Good to see your Dad back. He's a cool cat :)
Next up- collab with HR lady's dad.
My grandpa CPA firm Is extremely quiet during even the middle of the week. Everybody has their own office. When the door is closed due respect that person is unavailable.
But Josh, how is management going to lord over you and feel like they have a big peepee? Even though telecommuting would spare our crumbling and over utilized North American infrastructure, and it would save a company by not renting physical space. The ego of the Acting Director of Directing Direction is clearly more important.
You have an understanding dad who is both jovial and openly great personality; you're so lucky to have such a dad talking with you constructively and I'm so glad to know your dad's life experience at his own workplace, and shared his thought with yours. Hi Keep it up, give my best regards to your Great Dad!
Looking for work in Web Development now and this thing on Indeed popped asking me to take a survey on work culture preferences. It asked about popular “perks” like flexible hours and being able to wear sandals at the job and all I could do was roll my eyes. A box came up for custom suggestions and I wrote that it was embarrassing that jobs consider wearing sandals a benefit to working there but didn’t bother to suggest healthcare, retirement or paid family leave. This all just seems like an elaborate scheme to get rid of meaningful benefits and replace them with things that cost the company literally nothing to provide but then use them to tell workers how grateful they should be that there are ping pong tables at their jobs.
I don’t need ping pong tables, Karen, I need a 401k.
you are the champion we need. I deal with this shit daily and when I must I want to pull out my fingernails.
Josh, you need to condense these ideas and put them into book and ebook format. Your ideas also need to be on a TED stage. This is so important. If we don’t fix this, the economy will slowly die behind these kindergarten camps.
Recent studies of open, communal workplaces have shown that they REDUCE productivity. By a significant margin. Far more than the extra space would cost to give people privacy.. which is why I work from home now!!
Studies show that if you work in 20 minute increments and take a break you are most productive (see Jim Quick on UA-cam) And, if you Move during the break, you change your physiology and your brain such that you optimize your brain output. I usually don’t take breaks every 20 minutes.
Of course if you are a lazy ass and don’t work, you don’t need a ping pong table or other things to distract you, you just won’t work and produce.
Me personally, if I’m in Flow, I can literally work like 4-6 hours straight. Sometimes I’m sleepy and need a 15 minute nap (I have children that wake me up at night) to use my brain effectively, and wish there was a nap room. If I’m working from home, I just take a nap. I’ve worked with people that go to the restroom and take a nap there.
I’ve never used the ping pong tables.
A recent study done at Microsoft Japan (of course not in the US ...as the US can be a slave driver at times) showed that people were more productive when working a 4 day workweek as opposed to 5 day work week.
"I’ve worked with people that go to the restroom and take a nap there."
Glad to hear I'm not the only one.
I've worked in offices that were so noisy that the only way you could get a few moments of peace and quiet was by going to the restroom.
"A recent study done at Microsoft Japan (of course not in the US ...as the US can be a slave driver at times) showed that people were more productive when working a 4 day workweek as opposed to 5 day work week."
I'll gladly believe it. Two days simply aren't enough to de-stress and relax, especially when those two days are where you're trying to do all the chores around the house that you skipped during the week because you were too tired to do it after work.
The sad thing is that we're so indoctrinated with the Monday to Friday, 9 to 5 mentality that we're not even bothering to ask ourselves if there's a better and smarter way to do our work.
Working remotely, I rarely nap, but do spend my coffee breaks lying on the sofa or bed organizing my thoughts. The 20 minutes thing, I think, is for learning new stuff.
When I look around an office and it looks like a daycare center for adults, I know I'm in the wrong place. Working at a place like this has always made me unhappy, but did not know why until now.
I don’t like ambient noise in the office. I work best after everyone’s gone. Earphones and music don’t help to mask movements and sound during working hours.
Your dad rocks! Love his reactions to all this shit.
"All this openness and space promotes distraction".
This! I worked in an open space office and it was the only things I had. Noise, loud laughter from the coworkers and lots of distraction.
You should do a compilation about millenial offices of your viewers, I'll be glad to show photos about how "Kindergartenish" is the office of the company I work here in Colombia (and It's a big one). Greetings
3:05 your dad is right. It's just distraction. This kind of environment was making me nervous, inefficient, stressed etc. I was working in an open space with 30 people on average, consisting of 3 different groups (sellers, call center, analytics). Immagine focusing when there are 3-4 different conversations going on around you at any moment! (Forget about everyone seeing everything).
And yes, I was micromanaged heavily.
The excessive salaries are temporary as most of these jobs will entirely be done overseas in the next five to ten years. Trust me.
Next 5-10 years? It'll be automated by then. Anything that can be sent overseas already is.
Or robots an ai
They enjoy purchasing expensive and luxurious buildings because they appreciate in value, it's an investment for the company and has nothing to do with providing a safe work environment for you.
Was just thinking today while working on a work project "havent seen Josh post a vid for a few days, imma check", and HERE WE ARE.
I definitely enjoy these vids with your pops.
That workplace is a two-way Panopticon from hell
It's a little sad things ended the way they did, I do hope you keep this video up, more to show the journey and everything involved, however, I would understand if you take it down as well
You're so straightforward and dedicated that I subscribed all 8 of my accounts to this channel. You expose the truth that I can't find elsewhere.
haha, you are very committed!
Seeing these vids I'm so glad I took a trade. 2.5 years of trade school = 19 - 25hr START without all this fluffy bs. Work hard eat right, stretch and your good. You'll make about 80k before your friends even graduate.
👍
any beginner trading accounts/ websites you recommend? i'm interested in trading recently!
True but at 35-40 years you'll be falling apart from the strain on your body.
My dad did it from 1967 to 2005 carpenters and later plumbers. If you eat right and exercise properly you'll be fine. The office/sedimentary lifestyle will kill you far sooner as all the stress eats you from the inside out.
haruhifan2010 yeha you’re thinking of the wrong type of trade.
I literally just want 4 walls and a door if I have to go to the office
the reason education has went up 9000 percent is, the federal government got involved in the student loan business.
Love these Boomer & Millennial vids!
I have worked in both an old school environment (tall cubes, formal dress, a more passive style of management) and the newer office environment with open office, micro management and perks galore. I have to say, they are both not perfect. The ideal for me would be somewhere in the middle. I liked the 'half' cubes, you still had a bit of privacy and a sense of 'home away from home' because you could make the space your own and they were great for team collaboration at the same time, but that phase didn't last long. I do enjoy dressing down(ie jeans) but not to the point of sweats & t-shirt...I find when you take pride in how you dress a bit for work, it makes you feel better and productivity goes up as well. I don't like the micro managing at all in the new places. My very first job I was stashed away in the corner in a tall cubicle. Did I play games all day? No way, there was no time, we had quotas & expectations! I'm an extremely loyal employee and I find the new style a little insulting. If you treat me like an ADULT, a mutual respect builds. I miss this about the old places. The amount of work that you produced would just speak for itself and you were rewarded for that. To be honest, who cares if Joe Millennial is playing the odd game if his work is top notch and is done? I'm retraining to be a UX/UI designer/developer and I'm really scared, I sure hope they allow noise cancelling headphones!
I call them "Bread and Circuses" offices.
Josh: "how would you feel working?"
Dad: "eeerrrmm"
In a relatively open office, all I have to do is put on headphones with some smooth jazz or something and hide behind my monitor wall so there are no distractions.
And that's why I work HVAC. I work alone. And only the homeowner can distract me. It's rare.
It's crazy how out of touch your dad should be to all this stuff but he catches the stupid shit immediately. 10/10 boomer
You guys make a great team. Very entertaining and it's nice to have the dual perspectives.
This mans is why I landed a job I actually wanted, thanks for the help my guy
did you get fired yet
Your dad is so chill in these videos, Joshua!!
Nice to see your father in some of your videos!!
This format is great I love hearing the dual perspectives of a zoomer and a boomer. Great content as always!
And my colleagues think that I'm crazy because I think open space office is BS. They can't see how the company is using them(resources).
My parents told me I should be greatful for working in such a place. For me, it is like a prison.
your dads right lol. so true. Its all just obnoxious distractions, been there, done that. sometimes its cool AFTER work!
Open office is pain. I like my work generally but I just want to be left alone for a few consecutive hours every day to do my job and somehow it seems that's too much to ask for.
I kind of envy that guy for taking a nap at work. I assume there is a limit, like you can't come in and just sleep for 8 hours, but naps being officially permitted would be amazing for me.
Legitimately, my best coding work has been done at home, partly because it's quiet, and partially because my brain just glosses and tries to knock me out when I'm just absorbing shit loads of API references or technical manuals. When I just lay down and rest for a bit, I'm back at peak performance and finding myself having actually absorbed the information properly.
I suspect that this architecture and culture is a major contributing factor in most of the expensive/catastrophic bugs in the last 10 years
I got yelled at by my boss for "wasting company time", when I sat in a small lounge chair, to read for a bit.
Seeing places like these makes me feel better about being unemployed.
Coming in early. On one hand - no traffic and no distraction in the office, before everyone else comes in. On other hand - right before it is time to leave something is wrong and it can't wait till tomorrow.
I'd like to hear your father's struggle as a boomer. It sounds like it was easier to obtain a 'meaningful' education and a house in his time but the longevity wasn't there.
preach it
I had to wear headphones 9 hours a day and worse I had to wear tunnel glasses because my "cube" had no walls and no privacy.
I just started working from home after 2 weeks, (my whole team was on the east coast while I live on the west coast) for two years and then was forced to leave because I "wasn't a team player" and "did know how to program".. 20+ years software engineer here..
Your dad is such a cool person, god bless
He was
This "Corporate Series" is FLAWLESS and I LOVE IT! :) If you ask me, episodes can be released everyday, great job!
Dude this dude is killing culture and social norms. For the good. It hits hard, bc hes actually reprogramming my mind.
It's worse, because the education you are spending exorbitant amounts of money on is becoming increasingly more available online for free.
I love this video format. It gives amazing insight. It's also hilarious 🤣
Loving the boomer n zoomer duo josh keep up the awesome stuff!
As someone who finally got a job in the dev Industry (definitely thanks to you Josh) . This isn't how it is at all places. I don't have a pool table or xbox, and as he was saying that shit is entrapment. My company knows they have a job to do, yes we are in a shark tank (open office space) but it really is vital for collaboration. The compensation is great, especially for a junior role, we get a remote day (for now) but it is work, they don't baby you, you have a job, do it or your out essentially. I guess I would agree with this video on the shit companies try to pull to baby you and control you but there are really good dev jobs out there, I'm living proof.
The ones you dont see on linkedin.
I work in one of those open environments. It's a good thing I grew up in a big family so I can tune everything out. I also have headphones with white noise sounds. Our company is moving to a place where there are more quiet spaces for working,.
Truly admire your relationship with your dad. Pls continue to help him and have quality time with him. The reward would be soon. He is so happy with you together.
It is so laughable to think one can increase the intellectual productivity through open offices and the so called collaborations.
Foosball tables, video games, free food, nap time and cushion rooms? Might as well show up high.
I was raised in a glass cube and I turned out okay.
Ooh the dad is back!
*Grabs popcorn*
I don't want "fun."
I want money to see my boyfriend and live like a human being.
A company I worked for decided to buy Nintendo Wii to be cool. It would get used exactly twice a year, Christmas Eve and New Years Eve when most of the office would leave early and the only people left in the building was support who need to stay until 5pm just in case the phone rang, which it almost never did because everyone at other companies that would call us had also left early.
Never works faster what happens is they will give you more work to do and then you expect you to be able to do extra work every day
Joshua "If I work harder it doesn't matter, I just have to be here for 8 hours".
A sad development, do the minimum required, blame everyone else,
achieve your own success by being the youtube channel for people
who constantly blame others for their lack of success.
I'm no John Sonmez, but this is a dark path.
Of course, there is a lot of BS out there, but let's focus on the good,
take on a challenge that leads to personal development,
rather than being constantly the victim and poisoning others with this mindset.
Oh come on. Think about it. If you work harder, it doesn't matter. You are buying the CEO and its investors a great exit that you wont be part of. My.mindset is clear, take the job if you want to, but dont be fooled.