It's a 20 mph speed limit for motor vehicles in Holyrood Park, and an unenforceable 30 mph speed limit for cyclists (unenforceable because cyclists generally have no idea what speed they're going - my speeds in the annotations are from checking Strava after the fact). This driver decides they absolutely have to get in front of the cyclist who's already going faster than the driver is legally allowed to, only to be held up by traffic going at the correct speed (well, close to it) a little down the hill. I overtake, since the road is completely clear, and I can easily reach 30 mph here. Long-ish outro to show that I wasn't holding anyone up after I overtook - all 3 vehicles are still a fair distance away when I look back. And before anyone asks, no I didn't report it to the police - they've told me before that there's nothing they can do about speeding, video or not.
I didn't, and it can get one in real trouble. I commute everyday, and whilst I understand one's disapproval at the vehicle's speeding overtake it was done with plenty of room. Then Steve does exactly the same!! Now, the smart arses will protest 'speed limits don't apply the cyclists' and therein lies the problem. Two Tier morality. You can be sure if that pedestrian had run out in front of Steve and he'd hit them, his video would have incriminated him.
I'm genuinely confused as to why he's showing that level of anger, he doesn't know for sure the drivers speed other than its faster than them doing 25, I doubt its 40 as he's matching the drivers speed and catching almost immediately, fully caught up in 30 seconds from the overtake to the cars doing 25...And I wish I was given that much room when I got overtaken! Commuting in London I learnt fast not to gesture you don't know what nutbag is driving.
@@phil_d The Holyrood Park regulations 1979 explicitly say that there's a speed limit of 30 mph for cyclists for some reason. Yes, I agree that makes it a two-tier system, but it's to try to discourage drivers from using the park as a rat-run - there's a road outside the park which runs parallel to this one, but is on a street with pedestrian crossings and traffic island and other traffic calming measures. As a result, drivers use the park instead, and almost always break the speed limit.
@@robertwaldram5903 At the point the driver overtook me, I estimate their speed at around 15 mph faster than myself, which puts them at around 40 mph. I was only able to catch up because they were slowed by the traffic in front of them - I 100% believe that if the road had been clear, they'd have driven at 40 mph the whole way through the park. I wasn't angry, and the gesture wasn't meant in an angry way, just calling the driver the w*nker that I think they are, for driving illegally through a park. I completely agree that the overtake gave plenty of room, it was just way too fast and utterly pointless twofold: I was already going faster than his legal speed limit, and I caught up with him a few seconds later. He should have just waited behind me, and he would have arrived at the end of the road at the exact same time, and wouldn't have risked 3 points on his license.
If you got a Garmin Varia tail radar and use a Garmin GPS computer for your Strava, you could know in real time exactly how fast this idiot is actually going (total speed). Starting about 150 yards back, a series of 10-15 readings, displayed and also recorded in your .fit ride file. Then you'd know just how annoyed to be. Garmin often has sales on the basic Varia for $150, the version with a camera in it isn't worth it for various reasons.
I donno about this one man, he gave you plenty of space, and whilst definitely speeding it doesn't seem to have caused an issue in this case. Not that it got him far since you overtook him later down the road, but I don't think anyone was particularly inconvenienced here.
Nobody was inconvenienced here, no. But speeding is still illegal, and doing it in a park is even more stupid. And doing it just to end up behind other traffic is triply stupid.
Ironically enough, you probably spent more time breaking the 20mph limit in this video than they did (and you even openly admit as much). ...20 mph limit is utterly ridiculous on this road though, so I don't blame you at all.
@@dominikwylie147 The main difference is that it'd encourage people to drive on the parallel 20 mph street instead of through the park, reducing traffic. There are very few car-free spaces in the city, it'd be great to make the park one of them.
@@FuckOffUA-camHandles or do something more reasonable and turn that parallel road to a 30, i would need to see how crowded it is tho. most speed limits are intended to make money, not keep people safe. Especially 20 zones
@@dominikwylie147 The only roads that are meant to be 30 mph are arterial roads, which neither this nor the parallel road are. There are very few speed cameras in Edinburgh, and none in the park (unfortunately) or the parallel road - which is this one (St. Leonard's Street/ Pleasance, with Queen's Drive to the East being the road from this video): maps.app.goo.gl/g88MFvzmJLjdzAVL7
It's a 20 mph speed limit for motor vehicles in Holyrood Park, and an unenforceable 30 mph speed limit for cyclists (unenforceable because cyclists generally have no idea what speed they're going - my speeds in the annotations are from checking Strava after the fact). This driver decides they absolutely have to get in front of the cyclist who's already going faster than the driver is legally allowed to, only to be held up by traffic going at the correct speed (well, close to it) a little down the hill.
I overtake, since the road is completely clear, and I can easily reach 30 mph here.
Long-ish outro to show that I wasn't holding anyone up after I overtook - all 3 vehicles are still a fair distance away when I look back.
And before anyone asks, no I didn't report it to the police - they've told me before that there's nothing they can do about speeding, video or not.
In fact, there is even another driver in that queue, behind the white car.
Extremely satisfying. So typical of that stretch of road. Just imagining his reaction gives me a giggle. Stay safe Steve ✌️
In his mind: "I just saved 5 minutes by overtaking this slow cyclist"
Reality: He saved 0 seconds and lost some money due to fuel inefficient driving
Loved the wanker gesture as the car overtook. Spotted your shadow 😂
I didn't, and it can get one in real trouble.
I commute everyday, and whilst I understand one's disapproval at the vehicle's speeding overtake it was done with plenty of room. Then Steve does exactly the same!!
Now, the smart arses will protest 'speed limits don't apply the cyclists' and therein lies the problem. Two Tier morality. You can be sure if that pedestrian had run out in front of Steve and he'd hit them, his video would have incriminated him.
I'm genuinely confused as to why he's showing that level of anger, he doesn't know for sure the drivers speed other than its faster than them doing 25, I doubt its 40 as he's matching the drivers speed and catching almost immediately, fully caught up in 30 seconds from the overtake to the cars doing 25...And I wish I was given that much room when I got overtaken! Commuting in London I learnt fast not to gesture you don't know what nutbag is driving.
@@phil_d The Holyrood Park regulations 1979 explicitly say that there's a speed limit of 30 mph for cyclists for some reason. Yes, I agree that makes it a two-tier system, but it's to try to discourage drivers from using the park as a rat-run - there's a road outside the park which runs parallel to this one, but is on a street with pedestrian crossings and traffic island and other traffic calming measures. As a result, drivers use the park instead, and almost always break the speed limit.
@@robertwaldram5903 At the point the driver overtook me, I estimate their speed at around 15 mph faster than myself, which puts them at around 40 mph. I was only able to catch up because they were slowed by the traffic in front of them - I 100% believe that if the road had been clear, they'd have driven at 40 mph the whole way through the park.
I wasn't angry, and the gesture wasn't meant in an angry way, just calling the driver the w*nker that I think they are, for driving illegally through a park.
I completely agree that the overtake gave plenty of room, it was just way too fast and utterly pointless twofold: I was already going faster than his legal speed limit, and I caught up with him a few seconds later. He should have just waited behind me, and he would have arrived at the end of the road at the exact same time, and wouldn't have risked 3 points on his license.
If you got a Garmin Varia tail radar and use a Garmin GPS computer for your Strava, you could know in real time exactly how fast this idiot is actually going (total speed). Starting about 150 yards back, a series of 10-15 readings, displayed and also recorded in your .fit ride file. Then you'd know just how annoyed to be. Garmin often has sales on the basic Varia for $150, the version with a camera in it isn't worth it for various reasons.
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I donno about this one man, he gave you plenty of space, and whilst definitely speeding it doesn't seem to have caused an issue in this case. Not that it got him far since you overtook him later down the road, but I don't think anyone was particularly inconvenienced here.
Nobody was inconvenienced here, no. But speeding is still illegal, and doing it in a park is even more stupid. And doing it just to end up behind other traffic is triply stupid.
Ironically enough, you probably spent more time breaking the 20mph limit in this video than they did (and you even openly admit as much).
...20 mph limit is utterly ridiculous on this road though, so I don't blame you at all.
@@DEADB33F The 20 mph speed limit doesn't apply to cyclists any more than it does to pedestrians or aircraft.
lets be honest though, that road has no right being a 20
@@dominikwylie147 Agreed. As a park, it should be 10 mph, or ideally closed to cars.
@@FuckOffUA-camHandles I like what you did there. tell me, how much safer does it make it bringing it to a 10mph?
@@dominikwylie147 The main difference is that it'd encourage people to drive on the parallel 20 mph street instead of through the park, reducing traffic. There are very few car-free spaces in the city, it'd be great to make the park one of them.
@@FuckOffUA-camHandles or do something more reasonable and turn that parallel road to a 30, i would need to see how crowded it is tho. most speed limits are intended to make money, not keep people safe. Especially 20 zones
@@dominikwylie147 The only roads that are meant to be 30 mph are arterial roads, which neither this nor the parallel road are.
There are very few speed cameras in Edinburgh, and none in the park (unfortunately) or the parallel road - which is this one (St. Leonard's Street/ Pleasance, with Queen's Drive to the East being the road from this video): maps.app.goo.gl/g88MFvzmJLjdzAVL7