Classical Composer Reaction & Score Analysis to Drip (Tigran Hamasyan) | The Daily Doug (Ep. 443)
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- Опубліковано 11 сер 2022
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In this episode of #thedailydoug, I'm releasing a recent Behind the Score episode featuring music by Tigran Hamasyan. In these Behind the Score episodes that reside on my Patreon site exclusively, I dive into the notation while listening, digging into the nuts and bolts that give the song its personality. Today, I'm looking at Tigran's song Drip. It's a fascinating piece, full of rhythmic vitality and catchy melodic hooks. I hope you enjoy.
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Please dive more into Tigran he is such an insanely innovative mind.
The "middle eastern scat" you mentioned is Konnakol. A way of counting rhythms.
Doug, you ought to listen to his album “Mockroot.” Just stunning from beginning to end.
First piece I listened to from Tigran. Was instantly hooked.
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The middle eastern scat is actually an Indian scat called Konnakol
That metric modulation (the transition to the 15/16 part) is so damn cool.
I love how despite all the complex rhythms, you can almost always feel the 4/4 groove, even when nothing is actually playing it. That is truly an incredible feat.
Awesome video! This is probably my favourite reaction/analysis video on your channel.
For anyone not aware, the 15/16 section pulls two excerpts from an earlier Tigran album "Red Hail." Highly recommend giving that album a listen - it's a MASTERPIECE of jazz/prog rock/armenian folk fusion. And those sections are brilliantly incorporated into this version of Drip!
I study this music for some weeks... How fun it is to play... so hard to learn... need to forget your brain and your score, and listen, listen, listen, sing sing sing... I think Tigran is one of the most interessant musician actually, diversity, curiosity, creativity... And the most important, human, and fun.
This is amazing! Thank you to introduce me Tigran!! This video deserves much more views.
I love how you have to be a musical genius to even transcribe this. I guess you literally have to be a god to write it!! I and most people in this world will probably never understand how Tigran's brain and other musical geniuses see the world and music.
At this point I'd say that Tigran Hamasyan is one of the great composers of our time. Currently about to finish a solo guitar arrangment of his amazing solo piano piece "Lilac".
Will you be uploading it? I'll sub because I'd love to hear it. I play piano and love Tigran's work. I dabble in guitar as well, (not nearly as well as piano), so it'd be right up my alley. 🤙
@@6ic6ic6ic I will! Right here on my channel. Planning on it being the next arrangment I put out
@@FusicPool Very cool. Tigran is a gem and it's a great song choice. Can't wait to hear it.👍
fascinating episode, thanks for highlighting this score.
More tigran…he really is doing something different to all other jazz musicians right now. You could even start with his original recording of this front he album shadow theatre. He’s just something else this guy
Wow! Finally! Tigran Hamasian is amazing❤
I know Tigran has had a huge influence on Richard Henshall's compositions with Haken, but never really dove into his work. Thanks for doing this fun piece Doug. I know it's not improvised, but reminded me of The Kyteman Orchestra jam sessions. Check out the jam session PaDaDe.
the percussive vocals on this track brings to mind something similar by the Indian percussionist Trilok Gurtu on the title track of an album called "Que Alegria" by John McLaughlin which I saw live in 1992
More Tigran.
My favorite version of this song. Wishing it were available on streaming services.
Thank you Doug!!
Doug and I were abducted by aliens and loved every minute of it.
What you referred to as "middle eastern scat". is actually vocalizations that are taught to learn the rhythms in Indian classical music. Most commonly heard from Tabla Players. They learn to vocalize the rhythms before playing them on the drums.
I love the confidence with which he said that. And he is so wrong lol
@@AkashAgrahari92he isn't trying to be "right". He is saying what it feels like. It shouldn't be difficult to understand, this is a literal reaction
Hi Doug, for your Friday slot you should consider a Focus number possibly Hamburger Concerto studio version.
FINALLY you've gotten around to Hamasyan!! PLEASE look into "Levitation 21" or "Vardavar live in Montreux" simply AMAZING!!!
Fascinatingly this version of "Drip" became an earworm to me unlike any other piece of music I came beware of in 2022. 👍🎶🖖
I really would like to know more about his harmony! Specially that jazzy part in the middle. I understand his rhythmic structures as a drummer but those harmonies drive me nuts its just so different. How does his harmony function??
I just watched your reaction to Dream Theater`s Metropolis Monster. Obviously not the first one. Anyhow, what a ride. Keep on doing what you're doing. You're a joy to watch.
Check out Tigran's Vortex, Vardavar, and The Grid.
Doobs, this song goes through my head all the time because of you. You should also cover that awesome Bulgarian choir of the mysteries, sung, conceivably, in Old Church Slavonic. They do three song trilogy on Johnny Carson, and the middle song is the clinchpoop.
Wow, I loved how the guy made takatakatakatakatuntakatakatun.
Hi Doug! Big fan, have you ever given Stratovarius a listen? They're a Finnish power metal band that have produced a number of great long tracks. There's definitely some classical influences in their music, loads of great keyboard work! I'm sure you'd love their stuff! I'd recommend "Elysium" its an 18+ minute long track on their titled album "Elysium". One of my favorites! Take care!
after the drum solo, girl started singing in A minor, but originally it was B.
I don't know if you're aware of Michael Gordon's music, but Yo Shakespeare and the first movement of Trance use displaced-triplet rhythms extensively
Maybe you also should look into Maria Schneider - in my opinion the maybe greatest american composer and (big) band leader/conducter - with 7 Grammy wins so far. Her latest album is "Data Lords"
For a few reasons this made me think of Panzerballet and their album "Breaking Brain". It has complex rhythms, combines jazz and metal influences, contains some Konnakol, and is the only CD I've ever bought which came along with fold-out printed scores in the CD packet, for their song Typewriter II, one score for each of sax, bass, drums and 2 guitars! So one for Behind the Score? However, I don't find Typewriter II their most satisfying tune, instead I'd recommend their Shunyai with Trilok Gurtu, or even (believe it or not) their cover of Pink Panther.
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It's konnakol, from carnatic Indian classical music, not middle eastern scat. It's like vocal rhythm. Yogev Gabay (the drummer on the right in the ensemble) has a fantastic video about it!
ua-cam.com/video/2iyd2zkgOU0/v-deo.html
For a metal Monday you should do Jeremy by Pearl Jam, it's not technically metal but it'd be great for an analysis.
At 13:59 not only even numbers, but divisible by 4...every example was divisible by 4.
is the (do re mi) system relative to the key you are in? Isn't (do) a (c), re- d, mi- e, fa- f?
I sent this song for you to react and now found this video lol
Definitely an excellent song! Being that I love to sing, I'd be forced to hum the vocals and vocalize some of the other instruments since the vocals are not in English. Heck, I can't even get the lyrics right to songs sung in English. So, I'm not even going to try to do it in a language I don't know.
I'm not sure if anyone has requested, but going back through your Metallica listens I feel like you may enjoy some songs from their S&M album. I recommend No Leaf Clover!
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Manowar-Heart of steel (with orchestra or not)
Well, here you hear the 4/4.
Listen to Tigran's vardavar or the grid. Will you hear 4/4? Well, actually it is 4/4.
It’s not “b2 to 1”. It’s b9 to 1 as there is an octave in between them.
Please, do a reaction to Avantasia:
Ghost in a moon
or
Raven child
:)
Please react on some Armenian Space Station, piano, guitar, drums and Armenian vibe
I get a major King Crimson vibe. A bit of a mix of Wetton era and mid to late Belew era styles. Especially if you listen to the instrumentals from those areas. Having two drummers also brings King Crimson to mind as they had two drummers for Thrak and ProjeKct One
There is a transition that you call funky just before the singing to me sounds sour and I'm glad he doesn't revisit that so blatantly throughout the remainder of an otherwise nice piece of music.
You know. It seems to me that your musical intro could be a little more interesting musically. Especially for a classical composer. And it is always the same every episode that I have seen. You do not even have to change it. Maybe just six to eight notes before "It's the Daily Doug" Maybe one or three bars at the most before the intro. Something simple on piano would do. Show us what you got. Mix it up for all the future episodes. Kind of like how the Simpsons draw a new intro you could play a new intro. I believe even I could do that. Just a trifle. Da- da da- da duh-duh It's the Daily Doug. You know what I mean. I'm sure everyone would love and appreciate it. C'mon Whattaya say? 🎼🎵🎵🎶
And you do not have to come up with something original. You could use something from the classical or baroque period or whatever you want from public domain.
It looks he Just try to write all the song in non metrical Konnakol ritm.
it's not "eastern scat singing"... check out the word (concept) "konakkol".. too complex a subject for me to go here and you seem to hyave a faint idea of what it is.. and no, it's not general middle eastern.. only in Indian and Pakistani (and surely Bangladeshi) culture (edit: sure now everyone with an interest is learning how to do it but as of origin it's Indian.. and no, again, "tala" is a different concept with a different meaning, though yet it's something in the Indian rhythm tradition.. but not what he is doing)
I'll read up more on it! Quite fascinating.
Right, it originates from South India, from its so-called karnatic classical music. ua-cam.com/video/iLgBFKjhLm0/v-deo.html
"Flat 2-to 1 isn't in any of our scales"...can't you just call a horse a horse and say Phrygian?