Live Oak Canyon - Mine And Cabin In Mojave National Preserve ⛏️
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- The York Fire started on July 28th, 2023, and burned over 93,000 acres in the Mojave National Preserve and into Nevada. We visited this area in November of 2022 and made this video. It is one of the most beautiful canyons in the Preserve, and it's also one of the last strongholds for desert oaks. The canyon was reported to have been decimated by the wildfire.
After driving a tough road up to the mine, we found an old Allis-Chalmers bulldozer probably from the 1940's, a Dodge WWII 4×4 ambulance that was converted into a pickup style truck, a couple cabins and a beautiful trestle with ore bin. After exploring around the mine site, we visited another nearby mine and checked out the underground workings there. It was a large adit with some colorful minerals.
The Sagamore Mine and Tin Camp area were also reported to have been involved in the York Fire. Here is a link to a video we made of that area.
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Good morning, Tom and Julie. Thanks for the outing today. 👍
Good morning, Lloyd. You're welcome and thanks for watching!👍😁
Hi Tom & Julie, what a beautiful area, you frightened the life out of me when you crunched on that old piece of timber across the trestle.
Max seems like a very knowledgeable guy when it comes to dozers, awesome to see them on the channel. Some gorgeous blue copper
minerals in that mine, thank you for sharing, much love to you both. xx ❤
Hi Sue. It's always good to hear from you. That old trestle is not very solid, and you could easily go through it with the wrong step. Max has been a miner for a long time both as a hobby and as a job. That was some nice blue in that mineral vein. I think you might have some like that. Thanks for the nice comment!👍❤️
@@TomandJulieMineExploring yes I believe I do have some blue like that, my good friends got me some. xx 🥰💞
Lol👍
Love that mine. BTW the fire missed this canyon and didn't effect this area. Very lucky that it was missed by the York Fire and the history is still there!
I hope you're right about the fire missing this area. It was reported to a friend of mine who has a contact at the NPS that the area was burned. I have looked at maps of the burn area that seem to agree with you that this area was spared. I'm not sure what to believe. Thanks for your input, Huck!👍😄
@@TomandJulieMineExploring Hopefully we can go back to the area soon and see for ourselves. Here's to hoping for the best!
Yes, let's hope it was spared. I think that the Sagamore Mine area and Tin Camp, if you know where those are, were more likely to have been burned. I'd sure be interested to hear what you find if you go there.
Satellite photos don't look good for the Tin Camp area. Everything else appears to have survived.@@TomandJulieMineExploring
Thanks for that!👍
Hi Tom & Julie,
Thanks for taking me back to the Live Oak Mine and Canyon. One of my favorite areas in the MNP.
It's nice to see some of the old equipment and cabin still there. Nice documention of the old camp.
I appreciate you having me along.
Hi Rob. Glad that you've had the chance to see this beautiful canyon. Hopefully, the York Fire didn’t get to this area. We appreciate you watching and commenting!👍😊
@@TomandJulieMineExploring I met an old timer in Essex years ago who referred to the Live Oak as the, "Bronze Mine". Not sure why. Old timer... I'm now probably the same age as he was.🥴
Hmm, that's interesting. Thanks for sharing that bit, Rob.
@@TomandJulieMineExploring I feel fortunate to have had the opportunity to get to know some of the people who lived in Essex over 40 years ago. Things sure have changed around there. Howard Blair, Levi & Bonnie Gudmundson, Doug Smith, Jack Foster. All gone now...
That is nice that you had the chance to meet some of those folks. I think I mentioned to you that I talked to one of the Blair's at the water tank for cattle on Essex Rd two miles up from the freeway when we were boondocking there. He was super nice. He told us about the freight train burglary that took south of the Goffs exit where the train was parked.
Thank you Tom and Julie. That truck has really good ventilation😂😂😂 That dozer was not used much.
You're welcome, Mark. That poor old ambulance is shot to pieces. I'll never understand why people waste good ammo destroying an old vehicle that's just sitting there. Thanks for watching and commenting!👌😄
lots of really cool stuff that bull dozer was the coolest thanks for sharing
Glad that you enjoyed seeing the dozer and other stuff. Thanks for the comment, Jerry!👌😁
A very interesting canyon filled with artifacts and history - the ore car trestle is an iconic and fascinating piece !
Yes, this is an interesting little area. That trestle is great, but be careful if you ever walk out on it. Thanks for watching!👍
Lots of Cool stuff 😎 👌 👍
Yes, some fun stuff still here. Some nice color in the mine, too.Thanks, Richard. We appreciate you!👍😄
Julie looked ready for the tractor, I mean bulldozer, races! It sounds like the area was spared from the fire, let's hope that's true. It's truly sad when we lose a bit of our history. Keep on truckin'!!!
Haha, I wonder how long she would last operating that dozer. I hope the fire spared this area. I guess we'll have to wait to find out forcsure. Thanks for watching and commenting, Lesley!👍😁
Nice to see Tom and Julie the Awesome 'Dynamic Duo'
Haha, Paul. That always cracks me up. Thanks for the comment!😁😆
Loved the flash back photo of the military vehicle from the 40’s kinda nice seeing what it used to look like!
Once I saw the red part of the cross, I knew what it was. Looks like they turned it into a pickup truck of sorts. Thanks for commenting, Daniel!👌😁
love hearing the Old Timers who worked the machinery talk about it ....pretty cool ....love that line ....( Don't Step There ) thats a really cool trestle.... beautiful Azurite , with chrysocolla and a little malachite .... another fun adventure ...too bad you could not dig your way into the first mine....keep'em coming and be safe out there and Yeah ....we samshe that like button...
Thanks as always, Jeff. The wood on that old trestle is getting pretty weak. You could easily go through it with the wrong step. Definitely some nice minerals there. I still think it could be dug out. I need a couple of high school-age lads on my digging crew. Glad that you enjoyed it, and thanks for the comment!😁👍
@@TomandJulieMineExploring you betcha
Good Morning. Tom & Julia So Good to see you again.. John & Cathy Tacoma, WA
Good morning, John and Cathy. Always good to hear from you. Hope you have your footwear in order Lol. Thanks for watching and commenting!👍😊
Max is correct, most likely an Allis Chalmers, probably from the 1940's. This is the sort of dozer you saw working in WWII films. The winch to lift the blade seems to have been removed.
Hi David. Thanks for your input on the dozer. I noticed that the winch was gone, too. We appreciate you watching!👍😁
Hello Tom & Julie. Totally loving your videos & presentation. Keep up the great work. Stay safe 👍 🇬🇧🇺🇸
Hello, Sue. Thanks for the nice comment. We're glad that you enjoyed the video. 👍😊
Seems like Gly has been to this mine. I'm fairly certain the dozer is an AC or the Monarch predecessor. The blade appears to be a LeTourneau and it probably had a LeTourneau CCU (cable control unit}. R. G. LeTourneau made a lot of the construction equipment used by the military in WWII. At one time, Caterpillar loaded a tractor on a flatcar in East Peoria, Illinois and it went across the river to the LeTourneau plant in Peoria to be equipped with a blade, cable unit, and perhaps, a Carryall, before being sent to a dealer. That AC appears to be restorable by a hardcore AC collector.
Hi David. Yes, Gly was here not long before our visit, which was in November of 2022. That's why I've been waiting to put out the video. Thanks for your input on the dozer. I was surprised that it's blade was so long. It took me four paces to cover the length of it. Maybe that's standard for that equipment. Interesting story of the LeTourneau works in Peoria. Too bad these old machines can't tell stories. They would be great to hear. Thanks again. It's always good to hear from you!👍😊
Thanks again, beautiful area as always, I enjoyed the trip. Keep up the great work.
You're welcome, William. Glad that you enjoyed the trip to this beautiful area. Thanks for the comment!👌😊
That was a great video. Thank you for sharing it.
You're welcome, Bob. Glad that you enjoyed it, and thanks for commenting!👍😁
Sketchy mine at the end! Some cool artifacts outside. It's good the dozer didn't share a similar fate of the truck. Thanks Tom, Julie and friends!
Hi William. Yes, that mine was a bit unstable. At least we got to see some colorful minerals. The dozer is pretty neat. Thanks for watching!👌😁
Your coverage of Live Oak is far better than you know who. Thanks for placing a photo of a complete WWII Dodge ambulance in your video. I used to own several WWII Dodges. Am puzzled: you two hiked up to the cabin, but Max drove his Jeep all the way? Am hoping the NPS fire report on Live Oak is wrong.
Thanks, Francis. It's too bad that old ambulance has seen better days when it looked more like the one in the photo. I bet it has some great history to it. I jumped out of Max's truck a quarter mile down the wash from the mine and hiked up. I always like to check out the wash below a mine to see what's been tossed or washed down. There wasn't much to see in this one. Max drove right up to the cabin. I hope the fire report is wrong, too. It is such a scenic trestle and canyon. I hate to think that it's gone. Same for the Sagamore Mine and Tin Camp. That was more in the direct path of the fire. Thanks for the comment, we appreciate you!👍😄
There are plenty of restored WWII ambulances (and other Dodges) in the military vehicle club so a poor one isn't a significant loss. I was born in an Army hospital (Los Alamos, 1945) so my mom probably rode in one. @@TomandJulieMineExploring
Glad to hear that, Francis. Maybe you and your mom rode in this one. 🤔
Thanks for the explore!
Hi Roger. You're welcome, and thanks for watching!👍😄
My Dad took me to that mining complex in the 70's. The collapsed shaft was open and was actively being worked! That area has lots of Seismic activity, that no doubt caused all that rock fall and land sliding. Still a pretty area and I don't know if fire got up that canyon. You guys really get around!
Hi David. Great story about seeing the area in the 70's. Yes, it's still a beautiful area if the fire didn't get it. Thanks for your input!👍😁
Thanks for taking us along again!
You're welcome. Thanks for coming along for the tour!👍😁
love that thumb nail. hard to believe that beautiful mountain is in the desert.
Hey Ken. It is a handsome view from that trestle. This is near the York Fire Burn area.🔥
I had a 1949 Dodge Power Wagon and man that thing would go anywhere it even had Waterproof Electrical and Snorkels so I drove it through water chest deep often, it was awesome for only getting 6 mpg on a good day. I learned how to drive on a dozer like that at my Uncles Mine with I was only 5 years old, boy did I have fun spreading waste rock for my uncle with my giant toy, Looks like a CASE Crawler to me. Yikes that Ground-fall off the Back looked so Scary that you wouldn't catch me in there 😱That Colorful Checkerboard over Julies head is ready to come down anytime now . That was one Scary Lode
Thanks for sharing the Power Wagon story. Sounds like it was a little thirsty. This old ambulance probably had a few adventures, as well. We appreciate the comment!👌😄
It's always a good thing to see you guys putting up another video on your channel after all this time.
I guess that's a common thing - as we get older, we look for continuance of favorite people and things
in a world that seemingly accelerates away from us more every day...
Stability, familiarity and reliability are comfortable - change, not so much.
Julie and Tom, *thank you* for these last several years of content of exploring places I'll never see in person!
- Ed on the Ridge
That is so nice of you to say those kind words to us, Ed. We will be putting out a video every other week for at least the next seven months. Why seven months? We have 14 videos ready to go. After that, we may or may not be continuing our mine exploring expeditions. We sure do appreciate your support by watching and commenting on the videos. I've said it before, and I'll say it again now, we have the best subscribers of any UA-cam channel that I know of. You're at the top of the class. Thank you!👍😊
Aww geez, I ain't nobody - but thanks. 🙂
Exploring or not in the future, all that matters is that y'all are happy and healthy! - Ed
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Thanks for another interesting mine explore.
You're welcome, Brian. Thanks for watching!👌😄
I've always wanted to check this place out, thank you for filming...
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Hi Amboy. You're welcome. Hopefully, it was missed by the fire, and you get the chance to visit here. Thanks for commenting!😁👍
oh yes, i love that area. i had a kidney stone attack, kenny had to drive me out. then my toyota water pump fail and allowed oil to leak. of course no tow truck would get us, the road was closed, pain like no one should ever have. 1200 bucks later towed from barstow home and ER of 8 grand MRI was 5 grand.
Say Tom, we need to dig that mine open.
Hi Ken. Sounds like you had quite a trip to this one. I didn't think the J40 ever let you down. I had a kidney stone when we were in Beatty last winter. I couldn't stand up for more than a minute because of the pain for two weeks, and then all of a sudden, I was better. I was hoping that when I was digging, I could find some of the timbers that were supporting the portal back and maybe get underneath them, but all I got was tired. Hope your knee is getting better. Thanks for stopping by!👍😁
Nice finds! Always cool to get some extra info on relics.
Thanks, Mark. Glad that you enjoyed it!👌😄
Beautiful scenery! Love the cabin. Maybe I could move there if the fire didn’t get it. Nice color in the mine too. Thanks for taking us along. Take care of each other and stay safe.
Hi Ed. Yes, this is a very scenic area. We still can't find out for sure if the fire got to this area. Glad that you enjoyed a little color. Thanks for watching!👍😁
I camped out at this mine site back in 1993. Top of mine portal was still open and one could crawl over the loose rock into the entrance and explore. The adit was mostly straight with track all the way back to the face. I remember there was one branch tunnel, but mostly it only went back about 300 feet or so. The cabin was in great shape back then and was well stocked with water and supplies and there was a register you could sign...was fun to see who all came up here. The trestle back then was in better shape, but brought back great memories of seeing it again. Hopefully the fire spared this gem! Thanks for taking me back one more time!
That's such great comment, and it's so cool that you've been here. It's nice to get some information on the mine workings. That is a very scenic trestle and area in general. I hope the fire spared this place, too. Thanks for commenting!👍😊
fun times , thanks again.
You're welcome, Ted!👍😊
Tom did some digging! If you had x-ray vision you would see the best place to dig and you'd find that portal--I bet you were close. What a video that would make if you found tracks leading to an unexplored mine--you would have struck gold (in a manner of speaking) As always Julie is the star.
You can still see the two vertical posts where the portal was. I was hoping to hit the timbering that protected the portal and to get below it, but no luck. It would be fun to get in that one. You're right, Julie is the star. Thanks for the comment!👍😄
Just seeing the mine site was a great video all on its own. I pictured M.A.S.H. when I saw the Dodge. I've always wanted the pickup version that looks like a Jeep on steroids lol. And it was nice to meet a few more friends of our favorite mine exploration couple. Hope your holiday is relaxing and fun guys. Thank you for the awesome video.
Thanks for the great comment. That old Dodge was fun to see. At least in the end, we ended up seeing some colorful minerals. 👍😁
Hey T and J, would of loved to seen this one operating in its heyday, thank you stay safe out there
Hey Raiderman. Wouldn't it be cool to see and hear an ore car running out on that trestle and dumping into the ore bin? I guess we'll have to use our imaginations. Thanks for the comment!👌😁
Thank you both for another great lesson in history of a place I wouldn't of seen 😊
You're welcome, Linda. We appreciate you watching and commenting!👍😊
Thank you for yet another fine video. Your friend Max is a pretty clever guy. Have a good weekend
and Regards from your friend Scott
You're welcome, Scott. Hope you have a good weekend. Thanks for watching!👍😁
I watch y'all when ever you put up a video. Glad you're on not as much like before. Good to see you both again. Have a safe Holiday 🙏
We'll be putting our a video every other Friday for the next several months. Thanks for your support, Ronnie!👍😁
Thanks for showing us the setup the miners had, to bad the entrance was caved in. I liked the old dozer, I couldn't figure out the make or model. In my younger years and military days I ran many different models of dozers. Tom you and Julie take care and God bless you both.
You're welcome, Jimmy. It appears to be an Allis-Chalmers dozer. Maybe someone will come along and do some more digging on that portal to get it open. Thanks for the comment and the blessing. We appreciate it!👍😊
great minerals!!!
Glad that you liked the minerals, Harold. Thanks for watching!😁
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Thanks for commenting, Jayshree!👍😄
Now that I have my own internet here at the park I got to watch you on the big screen and it was super clear. Very cool seeing all those leftover vehicles. And the color of the rocks inside the mine beautiful.Thank you for taking us along with you guys. I love the music at the end it really inspired me. Can't wait to watch the next one.
Hey Eddie. Glad that you're enjoying your internet and the bigger screen. Definitely some colorful minerals here. The music is played on a tenor guitar. Four strings and tuned a bit different than a normal six string. Thanks for mentioning it. 🎸👍😁
Awesome video. Yawl have a fantastic holiday weekend. Stay safe.
Thanks, S.S. Glad that you enjoyed the video. Hope you have a great holiday, too!👍😄
That Tressle walk was the most hair raising part of the whole Series, 10/10 Balls on Tom Gee Wiz.
When the wood cracks under your feet, wakes you up somewhat. 😬
Well, if it weren't for the solid main structure and the steel rails, I wouldn't have been walking on it. The wood on the top of the trestle is quite weak, and you could easily go through it. I took one wrong step and quickly took my weight off of that spot and got back to the steel rails. Thanks for commenting!👌😁
glad you got some video before the fire. i have one too from about 5 years ago, really glad i went // some of that had been rebuilt in the 1990s apparently is why it was in such good shape. some of the wood was helicoptered in// i like to think it all survived but good chance it was burned. sad/ i love keystone canyon we have stayed there a number of times
I'm getting different reports of the fire and whether this area burned or not. I remember when you two made some videos of this general area of the New Yorks. Hopefully, the fire skipped some of the cool mines and cabins up here. Thanks for watching and commenting, Thorn. We appreciate it!👍😁
@@TomandJulieMineExploring we'll hope for the best!
Yes sir.
thank-you for the video
You're welcome, Tony. Thanks for watching!👍😊
Nice little video Tom and a shame about that old Dodge truck shot up They bring good money and are a favorite with collectors over in the UK, All the best to Julie Tom Take care see ya soon
I know what you mean about the Dodge. I'll never understand the reasoning for shooting a stationary vehicle. Thanks for the comment, Keith!👍😊
I've been through the New York Mts. about 30 years ago, what a beautiful place with deer running around and big trees, I saw a video about this mine a few years ago and thought about going out there... to bad, I might have missed the boat
Hi Peter. While it has been reported that this area burned, there is some discrepancy with the burn scar maps vs human reports. We will have to wait and see what actually is still here. Hopefully the area was spared from the fire. Thanks for the comment!👍😄
Awesome video !!!
Thanks, Desert Rat!👍😁
Great video as always it's always good to see you folks finding them old trucksand other cars and equipment or in the Mines looking around with your explanation of the inner Mines thank you take care
Hi Tim. Glad that you enjoyed seeing vehicles and equipment. There's usually something laying around outside of the mines that's interesting. Thanks for the comment, we appreciate it!👌😁
Thanks Tom must have been a copper mine? I see lots of blue.
Hi Bruce. There are some copper bearing minerals there. We couldn't find much information on this mine. Some other mines in the area are poly metallic bearing copper, gold, zinc, tungsten, and lead. Thanks for the comment!👌😄
Hello Julie and Tom. Nice to see you. That portal was real big looks promising, it's too back it caved not too far back. Nice you had guest this time for your adventure. That old army truck looks like something you would have seen in M.A.S.H.
Hello Stephen. I wish I could have found some of the wood from that collapsed portal and been able to dig under the timbers. That old ambulance was fun to see even though it's pretty beat up. Thanks for watching, we appreciate it!👍😁
Thanks for taking the time and showing the vehicles and other things external to the mines. I really enjoy that and I've not seen any other channel that gives more than a cursory view of those things. You two are the best!
You're welcome, and thanks for the kind words, Jeff. We try to give everything a good looking over while we're there. I still usually have something that I wish I'd done differently on these videos when we get home. Glad that you enjoyed it!👌😊
Im getting a sort of Back to the future 3 vibe from this video.
Yes, it does have that wild west feel to the area. Thanks for the comment!👍👍
Hey guys sorry the mine didn't work out for you maybe next one will be better, I bet it would have been cool, hope ya'll are doing well, take care n ill cat catch you later
Hi Gunny. While I wasn't able to dig out that first portal, at least we found some colorful minerals in the second mine. Hope all is well with you, and thanks for commenting!👍😄
Very interesting
Thanks for the comment, Dave!👍😁
Good morning! Great explore. Always fascinates me how they build different things to accommodate their different purposes.
Good morning, Richard. I agree that the miners were great at making things out of what was available to them to get the job done. They were very resourceful. Thanks for commenting!👌😄
GOOD MORNING!!!
Ill bet that dozer could still work.
Good morning, Dave. It's been reported that the area burned in the York Fire. Might be curtains for the old dozer and the rest of the stuff there. Thanks for stopping by!👍😁
That bathtub cabin has seen better days.
You can say that again. Flat as a pancake.👍😄
That old truck is a 1942 -44 Dodge WC54 Ambulance
Yes, sir. You might have missed the photo I added of one in the video. Thanks for your input, DR!👍😁
Wouldn't it be great if most of those mines has some history on who worked them and when they closed? I know we can see hints such as miners dates at the end of a drift. I guess it's only the big famous mines that because of the wealth they produced, is where we learn how they might have operated etc. Back here in the east many of the coal mines have known history's and that may be because many were in operation for more than 100 years making it hard not to notice them:) Your videos give me inter peace. Be careful.
It's difficult to find much specific information on these smaller mines. As you said, it would be great to have more of the history of them. Some of these mines only operated for a few years before the next big strike came along, and everyone moved on. Much different than your long-running coal mines in the east. Glad that you are enjoying our videos, and thanks for commenting!👍😊
When we're all dead and gone that old military transport vehicle will still be sitting there.
Haha, yes, it will with a few dozen more holes in it. Thanks, Joe! 👍😁
another great video !!!! What do you use for flashlites and head lites ???
We both use Coast brand rechargeable LED flashlights with focusing lenses that go from flood to spot. For headlamps, we use Vont brand inexpensive lights. We use them because they work well, and if you break one by smashing your helmet on a rock, you're only out about $8. Thanks for the comment!👍
thanks, stay safe!!!!@@TomandJulieMineExploring
GO MORNING YOU TOO 5X5 DATIL NM
Good morning, Michael! Hope all is well in NM.😁
To me the Rockwall looked like a one time event,possibly earthquake?
That could be, Mike. Thanks for your input!👍😁
I bet it took some strength to operate a old dozer like that.
I believe you're correct. Driving heavy equipment can be very demanding. It seems like the operator is just sitting there not doing much physical work, but that's not the case. Thanks for commenting, Dan!👌😁
Pull the right lever and use the left peddle to stop the track on the left so it will turn same as the right. On a old Cat.
Appreciate your input, Ronnie!👍👍
You're supposed to make car noises when you're pulling on all those levers.
I'll tell Julie to work on her revving diesel exhaust noises.😆
That was a world War Amblance. We still had them in Korea when I was there in 1962
Thanks for the information, Ronnie!
Well I dunno!!!, ammo must be cheap in the U.S.A. ?? it's a shame it's used in such a manner as to destroy the history of these mines, still it's great to see them in situ and for you blokes to make these videos for us to enjoy, take care Cheers
Hi Brian and Mary. I'll never understand it either. Ammo is not cheap, and how much shooting talent does it take to hit an inanimate object of that size? Destroying the history of these areas is a sad affair. I'm glad that you can still enjoy the video and we thank you both for watching and commenting!👍😊
What's that blue mineral in the rock ?
Blue colored minerals usually indicate that copper is present. Malachite, Azurite, Chrysocolla, and others are all fairly common. Thanks for the comment, JB!👍😊
Have you ever been inside one of these mines and an earthquake happened?
Not that I know of. You would think loose rocks would be falling all over if it was a sizable quake.
It's a shame those old vehicles have been peppered with shots.
No kidding. What a waste of ammo just to destroy history. I'll never understand it. Thanks for your input, Mark!👌🚑
475th!
You're a little slower than usual today, Joe. Thanks for watching!👍😆
Yes, I was out hiking with my 3 dogs and wasn't at the computer when your video dropped. I'll try to do better.@@TomandJulieMineExploring
Haha, no worries, my friend.
Yeah get it right, Hamill Valley. What he said.
Haha. The funny thing is he lived in Bishop for most of his life until the last couple years. 🤔
At 15:28 you said what a beautiful view, I agree Julie does have a very nice backside.
Haha, you're not the first to say that, Michael. Glad that you approve. I guess that's one of the reasons I married her. 😄
To much "breakiation" to be saundering in there. Over burden/pressure removed and it exploded.
Okay. Thanks for the comment!😄
I used to own three of them ‘41-‘4? Dodge Ambulances from WWII/Korean War era.. one of which is back in the hands of the friend of mine i had bought them all from, back in the early ‘90’s.. rough one, this one in vid is! Looks more like target practice then any sort of vehicle now; sadly. Anywho.. THANK YOU TWO, for yet, another fantastic video recording of what’s left of these great old mines!
Hi Sean. It's great that you have owned some of these ambulances. This one is shot to hell, which I will never understand. Thanks for sharing your story!👍😁