Ruger 10/22 vs Marlin Model 60: Head to Head accuracy test.
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- looking at and talking about the ruger 10-22 and the marlin m60, shooting some different ammo for accuracy tests.
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I, together with my kids, own 3 Ruger 10-22’s and 1 Marlin Model 60. The 3 Ruger’s are all from different decades and I’ve noticed that the older ones are made with much better quality than the newer ones. The Marlin is from the early 80’s and will easily outshoot the Rugers, however, our most accurate .22 is a cheap ‘Walmart special’ Mossberg .22 bolt action. The Mossberg was $99 dollars and shoots WAY under 2” groups at 50 yards all day long with cheap ammo. Under 1” groups with quality ammo. Excellent video. Just subscribed.
I have noticed the quality differences as well on my Ruger's.
I have both and the 6 Marlins I have generally out shoot the stock Ruger I had. New barrel and stock, the Ruger is on par with them. But if I really want accuracy at 100 yrds. I go to my 1950's Mossberg 144ls and 144lsa.
i have a mossberg 802 plinkster and it is way more accurate the both of them
I've got an old Ruger 10/22 that has the long wood stock on it that goes all the way to the end of the barrel.
It has a metal trigger housing instead of polymer and the magazine is of much nicer quality as well. It has a smooth glossy finish on it, not the matte finish on my newer ones.
Yeah, they don't make them like they used to. But I'm still buying a new one. And they still shoot great.
Bought 2 of the Mossberg, bolt was crap, accuracy as well. Ruger is where it’s at. Marlin 22 mag’s bolt action had several(x-mass) and asked people about them they all said they were great except one. Every body I knew loved that 22 ruger. No complaints about them.
I make my own speed loaders for my Marlin Glenfield 60. I take a few lengths of clear acrylic tubing with small corks blocking the ends, have them pre-loaded with 17 rounds. Pull the spring mag tube out, line up one of my acrylic tubes and let them slid in nice and easy, re-install the spring mag tube. Ready to go quick !
Same here except I use Pex
Good idea
I do the same.
some old aluminum cut arrows work well also
I use small curtain rods cut to size from Walmart
with ammo prices, it won't be long and we'll be seeing 1-shot groups
Amen to that
🤣🤣. How true!
Meh I was buying .22LR by the 1400 round "bucket 'o bullets" back when it was cheap. I'm a minor "prepper" so I'm sitting on around 10k Remingon "golden bullets" that I bought back when it was about 5¢ per round or less. I think I got some of the 1400 round buckets for about $59... so I can probably just dip into my stash a little if i decide to go plinking... but 5k rounds is the least I will ever own until zombie apocalypse/government collapse/global planet killer/Mad Max/Idiocracy happens. I could also probably make a profit of around 5k USD if I sold all of my Federal 12ga 00 buckshot and Winchester 1720 fps rifled slugs at current prices lol. My Mossburg 500 pump and Ruger 10/22 are very high on the best apocalypse loadout XD.
Semi auto 22s are part of the issue for ammo inflation. People spraying bullets like mad
@@jumpninthedarkalley Semi-auto everything is making it worse. I switched to bolt action and single shot guns. To each their own, but even pre Covid I couldn’t understand wasting the quantity of ammo that people would go out and “train” (really just waste) every week or two. You’re talking hundreds or thousands of rounds some people are/were going through.
My Marlin is accurate enough to shoot one ragged hole at 50 yards using CCI mini mags. Ammo makes a big difference with 22lr rifles.
My Marlin does likewise…..not meaning to put the Ruger down though. Have killed assortment of small game with the Marlin. No complaints and will continue to do so! Also have the Savage Bolt Action 17HMR, Deadly it is. If you haven’t tried one you deserve to do so!
@@terryboyd9875 the Savage 17hmr is a amazing gun, i owned mine for about a year absolutely loved it. just bought a marlin 2 days ago along side a scorpion evo 3, cant wait until i get my gun in 8 more days (cries in californian)
@@imacolor You want be disappointed 👍👍
Exactly. Give a dozen random samples of 22 lr ammo and I'll show you that whichever rifle took second place in this example of one comparison is more accurate than the winner.
@@wirebrush Echo/ditto. The sample-size of 3-shot groups done here is nearly useless. Sure, it's fun to watch and argue about muh-favorite, but deviations in ammo arguably has way more to do with POI than the gun, in this comparison. He should have used a chrono, and shot 10-shot groups, and tossed the outliers that had a big swing in FPS. In testing I've done, I can clearly seen a correlation with the velocity, and where it hits the paper. If you shot 3 shots, and get; 1156fps, 1156fps, then 1230fps and it hits .7" away...is that the gun? No. Also, the number of shots he has through the two guns should also play a factor. This is really just a Ford/Chevy, Coke/Pepsi, Miller-Lite/Bud-light comparison.
Either gun is capable of higher accuracy than most shooters...
I concur
I’m a gunsmith and have shot a lot of customers guns as well as my own. When firearms are close in manufacturing specs, I have found that it really comes down to the individual gun.
I believe you are right.
Man it's hard to compare two of the best most popular 22s. I have Dad's Marlin from the early 80s and my Ruger from the early 70s. If I had to choose the most accurate reliable and dependable or fun to shoot I just don't think I could. Both amazing guns. The only difference being the Ruger has a lot more choices of optics and magazines. Gun for gun I love them both
I own both of these, The Marlin is my favorite by a far. They are both awesome guns, I call my ruger a bellybutton because everyone has one
I call my ruger an asshole
Same here. I own and have owned several of both models and the 60's are always more accurate and reliable with about any ammo! But you can't deny some of the good features and aftermarket offerings if you want them for the 10/22
Not everyone had a 10-22 . I have at least twelve .22rifles but not a 10/22 … yet . Ha ha
I have a total of four marlins , 99m1 , 989m2. Both accurate as can be and two Golden 39A,s . Also mail drivers .
Not everyone had a 10-22 . I have at least twelve .22rifles but not a 10/22 … yet . Ha ha
I have a total of four marlins , 99m1 , 989m2. Both accurate as can be and two Golden 39A,s . Also mail drivers .
I have both of these. I prefer the 10-22 for quicker reloads and all the mods that are available. But. In my case I find the 60 to be more accurate. At 30 yards I would call mine a tack driver.
Yes always need the tactical reloads for squirrel hunting
The Marlin has what they call Micro rifling. That is more lands and grooves and finer...as I remember.
Iv always had better luck with 10 22s. Used to shoot pennys at 25yds all day long. Its there iron sights.
I have 2 tubes to feed the marlin. Each one has 6 cylinders 15 rounds each. I can reload the marlin faster with 15 rounds than putting 10 round in a 10/22. I have both, both are great guns.
@@roscoepatternworks3471 yes but how are u going to carry multiple 2 1/2 foot long magazine tubes on u
I have to say I think the Ruger shot better this day with the ammo you had. Both shot adequately though. Thanks for taking the time to do this video.
I own both the model 60 and the 10/22. My Marlin is a real Marlin and my Ruger is modified with a better trigger group and flash suppressor. Both have cheap Barska 3×9 scopes and both are zeroed at 50 yards. That said, my Marlin has consistently outshot my Ruger, using a bench rest, every time. It's very close, usually within 1/4 to 3/8 of an inch but the Marlin is constantly more accurate. Both are very good guns but all things being equal, I think it would be a very rare thing for a Ruger to beat a Marlin in accuracy.
New Marlin 60's aren't as accurate as the older ones with the longer barrel. At an Appleseed shoot, my old marlin was outshooting 10/22's with bull barrels on them. Only thing I ever did to it was use some sand paper to make sure I had equal clearance in the barrel channel. The instructors were impressed at how accurate the rifle was. When we went to long range with the .22, it put 10 out of 10 shots on a 4 inch square multiple times at 100 yards, with peep sites, using bulk federal ammo on the 2nd day. The newer ones just can't match that. However, maybe Ruger will bring the model 60 back with better quality now that they own it, and preferably with the older longer barrel.
Try CCI ammo you may see better groups.I know I did!
@@johnguth5376 And the accuracy with the older rifles using CCi is better than the newer rifles using CCi. That's from experience.
I've had the same Glenfield 60 (Marlin 60) for 49 years now and it still out shoots any stock Ruger 10/22. I have a Ruger 10/22 and it's more than accurate enough for anything I'll use it for. Both great riffles.
I also have owned a Glenfield 60 for over 40 years. I'm always amazed how accurate the dumb this is. It also feels like a bigger gun than your average .22 - length of pull, muzzle heavy because of ammo tube, which I think contributes to my shooting it well.
I concur. If you can adjust to Marlin’s bad trigger, it’s micro grove barrel always outshoots anything
I also have a model 60 I've had for 40 years. I've never been able to keep buffers in it. I recently saw some that are 3d printed from polyurethane I may try. As legendary as this rifle is supposed to be, mine has been somewhat of a pain in the tail. The last buffer I installed was a factory plastic one and it broke on the first box of ammo I put through it after installing the new one. I was shooting CCI Stingers.
@@bubbalouie4022 I picked up a couple several years ago that were slightly softer and made from a black material. I have also just hand crafted some out of a square of white nylon
Iam with ya i love my Glenfield as well I have a 10 22 but the Glenfield is the one I grab first to go squirel hunting everytime
Nice comparison on those rifles, each would put a squirrel or rabbit in the pan. The Ruger has so many addition/modification possibilities it makes my head hurt! Congrats on 2000 subs!!!
The micro groove barrel is deadly. I own Rugar ten 22s and I can attest that the marlin is more accurate
Back in the day when I did this test. it seemed that the micro groove Marlin was shooting tighter groups
Matching the right ammo to the gun is critical for accuracy. OK, at the risk of offending some snowflakes, guns are like women, they like what they like, and you can't talk them out of it. 🤐
True statement lol 😂
I'm highly offended, finding ammo to match is easier, there isn't any other criteria. Put rounds through it until you find a winner. Women have much more complicated set of criteria that varies from each individuals. Guns not so much, what ammo works for a specific model gun you can reliably count on to work with that model, snowflake.
@@Kcrunchymunch well... I mean if you could do 100 scenarios each with a couple dozen different women in a lazy afternoon like you can fire 100 rounds each of a couple dozen different ammo types, then I would say you should be able to find the most compatible woman for yourself just as easily as you could find the most compatible loads for your rifle. I think the real problem is that most women aren't a big fan of speed dating and comparison shopping...
@@thekatzman6234 Nope not the same. Finding the right ammo is based on only one parameter, finding the right woman has many. You can quit now, stick to ammo it's simplest.
I have both gun's, and when I first got the ruger with cheap Remington thunderbolts it would keep 10 bullets in a dime at 50yards. I was given the marlin 60 when I was 11 year's old on a farm in Tennessee, I cannot tell you how many groundhogs I shot with that gun or at what range. I love the ruger for easy loading and weight, but will never give away my marlin, first gun my parents gave me and since they have passed I have been trying to figure out which one of their grandkids will get it.
Smart thinking my friend!!!!!!!!!!!! and tell him or her to keep it in the family!😉
I own both of them great little gun's . Most of us grew up with one or the other. Couldn't go wrong with either. Good video.
That’s right as long as I get the Ruger you can have the boat anchor.
Hands down, the Marlin produced a more predictable group with all three ammo types. The 10/22 groups were erratic compared to the straight line groups of the model 60.
Great video 👍
Did we watch the same video? The Ruger had 2 shots in the same hole for 2 groups, and the last was about a dime size group. The Marlin was way less consistent. None of them even close to touching, and strung out vertically.
😮@@stevepauley2437 Yes ! we watch the same video. but we also had the same Duh! shooter and the oxymoron of the whole video. was why do you need a scope at that distance. you don't 🙄you could tell he was much more familiar with the 1022 then he was the Marlin. and that wasn't a standard Marlin 60 that was a stainless steel model. much more expensive . So there's a lot of factors involved get the actual factual outcome. Way ! he bore cited scope in .AnyWho !! opinions are like bellybuttons everybody has one ! Not a relative test! 🤷♂️ in my opinion !! Just saying !!
It ALL depends on the ammo and the bedding.Had a Marlin Model 60 that shot 1/4 inch 5 shot groups at 50 yards consistently!
A friend and I bought Marlin 60's at the same place at the same time in the 80's. Mine was very accurate,nothing to complain about. His? I had two high dollar 22 target rifles that couldn't touch it for accuracy. Same thing as yours. 50 yards and CCI mini mags were going in the same hole almost. We never even tried it with target ammo.
yeah ok
You "had' a model 60 that grouped 1/4 inch 5 shot groups at 50 yards. That is unbelievable. Truly, I don't believe it. If you were my neighbor I would place a wager you could not repeat it and I would win. If true,why the heck would you sell it.
@@johnkeller9921 It's something I regret.
I'm a Marlin man myself and have owned 5 or 6 of them.......I currently own a 2001 M60 in stainless with the 22" barrel and a KAT trigger with a 17 oz pull wearing a Weaver V-16 scope sitting in a boyds thumbhole stock......One thing you should not be doing in the Marlin is shooting hyper velocity ammo in it because Marlins have a plastic bolt buffer and it could crack it.
Thanks for the review & comparison of these two fine rimfire rifles.......Oh and mine just loves CCI SV and is a tack driver at 50 yds.
Every 10/22 did not shoot all that well. But... the owners all said with $500 worth of mods they were tack drivers. The Marlin 60? All the old guys shoot em really really well.
Mine hit grouse heads at 30 yards every time marlin model 60 and xt22
I owned both and I gave the Model 60 to a family member because I much preferred the 10/22 hands down.Far more options for the 10/22 and it feels much better in my hands and it is more accurate for me.I don’t like the tube fed loading of the Model 60 either.
I like my Marlin. Never had a 10/22. She just feels like butter. Smooth. I think the weight of the tube mag and the ammo ahead of the C. of G., instead of a clip under the chamber, make the difference. So many guns, so little time.
I wish I had a marlin. I have a marlin bolt in 22 mag but I don’t shoot it much because the ammo is too expensive and I have lots of other stuff to shoot. Had a Ruger 10/22, hated it and sold it.
@@jimbo3615 i have the same Win Mag as you. Bolted, scoped, and magazined 😄 I believe it’s called the 882 SS, in stainless steel with a cheap plastic stock. It’s an all weather beater in other words, but I wouldn’t be complete without my M60. Highly recommend you get one. It’s a classic pawn shop 22. Can’t see why you can’t get one cheap even during these crazy times. Hope you find one soon!
@@factorybear5264 Actually, my Marlin is probably at least 30 years old with a wooden stock. My son shot his first woodchuck with it so it’s really his now! :-)
@@jimbo3615 yeah, mine’s the same as yours but a 2001 rendition in SS. I dismembered my first chipmunk with it a few days ago. Such overkill 😳
I've owned, grouped several of both. Marlin was always more accurate, except one 10/22 was more accurate with Stingers. Both are excellent.
Rotate the Model 60 magazine tube so the loading port is beside the barrel, and rounds can slide down the crevice into the port.
I own 2 10/22s and a Marlin 795 (same as a 60 but with a detachable mag), and the Marlin is the most accurate of the bunch. The 10/22s are great plinkers, but when I need to hit something dead on with the first shot, like dispatching back yard pests as humanely as possible, the Marlin is my go to.
I own and use a 1982 10/22. It will shoot the groups you have shown here but at 50 yards. Like every 22, your two rifles will each prefer a certain brand of ammunition. That would tighten your groups. MyCZ 452 loves CCI Velocitors, 1” groups at 100 yds on calm days…my 10/22 shoots AmEagle really well. Thanks for sharing your test results.
The Ruger 10/22 is a fine rifle..no doubt about it. I had a Marlin Model 60 rifle some years ago..it was branded as a Western Auto 'Revelation' but was in fact a Marlin Model 60 with the microgroove barrel. The most accurate .22 rimfire rifle I ever had regret selling it. I gifted my Ruger 10/22 to my daughter a few years ago so it's still in the family. I have a Winchester Model 250 lever-action .22 rimfire rifle so I still have a .22 rifle in my collection.
The thing I've noticed is the Model 60 will run weird or cheap ammo better than the 10/22.
For instance, the 10/22 won't cycle the 60 grain Aguila SSS, but the Marlin will run it just fine.
The Marlin also has less issues with cheap bulk ammo.
I agree. When we were kids and had cheap mixed ammo in our sock drawer the Marlin would gobble anything we dumped in it all mixed up. My Ruger tends to like peppy ammo all the same type. But both great guns I love them the same
Mine is just the opposite. Thunderbolt, Blazer, etc. will jam after a few rounds and are poor accuracy.
... in order to prevent your video from influencing my comment , I stopped the vid at the 5 sec mark . ... I have owned and shot both the mod 60 and the 10-22 since the mid 1960s and have no doubt that the model 60 has superior accuracy ... it's only drawback is the reloading process for the tube magazine. It's unfortunate that Ruger now owns Marlin and has discontinued the model 60.
I have used both of these firearms many times. I have owned a 10-22 since 1987. It looks a lot like the one in use in this video. With open sights or a 0x HUD, my 10-22 can give 3/4" - 1.0" groupings at 25 yards. Don't need a scope for that, just a good rest on our 42" high deck rail from wide legged standing position.
I enjoy shooting a Marlin. My neighbor got his son one about ten years ago. I have fired that one in some target plinking sessions, but my first Marlin use was back in the late 1960's, using a good friend's Marlin. I seem to recall that tube magazine will hold about sixteen 22LR rounds, which is a substantial amount of sustained firepower from a modest weapon. I own 4 standard 10 rd drum mags for the 10-22, usually enough to scratch my plinking itch in one go.
Thank you for torturing me with your reloading, laughing out loud for it.
I have a Marlin 60 and was looking at a Ruger 10/22 today. Looks like the 10/22 won today by a slim margin. I plan to get the 10/22. I also have a Mossberg 702. They are all great little rifles and a lot of fun to shoot.
I have all 3 also, I like the 60 best but the 702 is a really nice design. It would probably be an awesome gun if someone was to remake it with better quality material but still it's a good little gun. I sanded and polished the trigger/sear points and it made a huge difference in trigger feel.
I've owned both those guns for around 40 years. I like both of them.
Each one is a little different
I have owned several of both over the years. I like both and maybe the marlin is slightly more accurate, but internally the Ruger is built better and in my experience the Ruger is a little more reliable. The fit and finish has slipped some in recent years on the 10/22 . Thanks for the video !
While I do not yet own a Ruger 10/22 I have the precursor to the Marlin 60 that is the Marlin 99. That gun will shoot groups the size of a dime at 50 yards. I have a 6 x Weaver on it. Both rifles in your video are capable of fantastic accuracy
I have a model 99 with a 24" barrel. Very accurate.
Thank you for the comparison and the review. I will consider it when I take my two guns to the range and make my own comparison.
About 50 years ago my brother in law purchased a Ruger 10-22. I thought it was the neatest gun I had ever seen. Going with him was a treat. I suppose we shot thousands of rounds through that gun. He still owns it today.
Several years ago I bought a Ruger 10-22 from a fellow at work. It was a new gun that he had won at a convention. I added some 25 shot banana clips and thought I had found the funniest plinking gun on the market.
A few years later I was at the VietNam Veterans Booth at the county fair. They were raffling off a .270 and a .22. I signed up and asked when they were going to call me and tell me I had won. The fellow laughed and said they had another fair type event before the drawing but he would call me after that one, providing I won. About six weeks later he called and said he had the Marlin Model 60 .22 I had won. He wanted to meet with me and give me my new gun. We got together and I signed all the legal documents and I now have a Marlin Model 60 .22 and a Ruger 10-22. The Marlin is another fun plinking gun.
I have never taken both guns to the range and did a side by side test. I just took them there and shot them randomly. I enjoy both guns quite a bit. They are both sweet guns to shoot. Neither of them have ever malfunctioned.
One advantage of the Ruger is the accessories are endless. However that has not been my thing. The Marlin on the other hand seems to fit me and my lifestyle better. I actually like to shoot the Marlin a little bit more.
One thing for certain, a shooter can’t go wrong by owning one or the other or both.
I have played with the 10/22 platform since 1987; today it is a no brainer with aftermarket parts. But, to me back then in 1987 it was clear which rifle was better. Price has always been higher for the 10/22, but the model 60 was a good rifle for a budget minded person. 10/22 hands down from 1964 on to today.... It is as close to a must own family rifle as I can come up with in my mind - I have never seen a kid who did not flat-out love a 10/22.
That’s exactly what I see. When I bring the .22 collection out to the farm for a family reunion, the old uncles grab the pumps, levers, and the 60, but all the kids go for the 795 and 10/22.
@@blackhawk7r221 Hey Hawk - Yea, I agree, it was a magazine loader rifle; everything else to them was old. I have had them pick up or hold the magazine and say, "I want to shoot this one." Back in the late 80's, I was the first guy to buy (spend the money) on a 10/22 - everybody father's had .22LR hand-me-downs fire arms. I like the 10/22 mag because it was flush on the bottom of the stock - I had just got out of the Corps and it was mag feed; I got sprayed with the same silly spray and spent the money. I liked it because it was flush - and they liked it because it was a Magazine.... Go figure. It is so much safer not having kids around a muzzle loading a firearm on their own - I think they liked that too.
You can improve the Marlin trigger greatly. Directions are (or were) on Rimfire Central. I did it and it was amazing. Not a drop-in fix however.
I have both of these but my favorite by far is my model 70 carbine quicker to sight,
and is a tack driver.
My 10/22 is more accurate than my buddies marlin , and his dad's Weatherby. Using the ammo that your gun shoots best is definitely a must as others have said.
Interesting video. I have 2 Ruger 10/22 target rifles. One that I built myself and a factory built gun that I bought for my girlfriend. They both shoot very well. I no longer own a model 60 but I wish I did, I am currently looking for an older model on the used market. In my area, southwest Arkansas, everyone hated on the Marlin saying it always jammed and loved on the Ruger saying it never jammed. This is partially true in my experience. The Marlin is more ammo sensitive than the Ruger. In the early 80's we had a ton of (dirty ammo) coming in from cheap manufacturers over seas. The solution to this problem was to remove and deep clean the bolt and receiver and oil it up every few shooting trips, not hard to do. My experience with the older 10/22 factory rifles and the older Marlin's with the micro groove barrels, the Marlin won every time. If the model 60 had the after market support that the 10/22 has, it would be a whole new ballgame. I understand that the design of the Marlin makes it harder to customize than the Ruger. I would like to see a second round of this video, but using an older (true Marlin) model 60. I liked this video and it is the first one of yours that I have ever seen, just subbed your channel, waiting for more. Thank you for the time, effort and money you have put into this.
Perfect, same optic on both contenders, most vids do not do this which can kinda possibly invalidate the results, love this testing format!
Love the discussion. My thought is that the manufacturing for both guns has changed over time, including in the materials selected for use in them. The gun designs are rock solid for both, but some eras of 10/22 manufacturing were better than others. Same for the Model 60. I tend to believe (rightly or wrongly based on holding and shooting several of each, but not through research, so take this as an uninformed "feeling" rather than a factual observation), both guns seem to me to have hit their peak in the late 80s or early 90s. That was when manufacturing techniques were super dialed in and the materials were largely unchanged from the 1960s and 70s. After that, it FEELS to me like both guns started saving costs in manufacturing. I don't believe those measures resulted in guns that shot any less true, but I do think you can see that there's less steel and wood and more aluminum and plastic in later models of both. To finish the thought, earlier this week, my daughter's fiance texted me and asked what .22 LR he should get. I replied "A Ruger 10/22 if you like a removable magazine, or a Marlin 60 if you prefer a tube-feed, more traditional design." I went on to name a few honorable mentions... point is that's how I ended up here. Sure, there are better semi-autos out there (Browning, anyone?), but dollar for dollar, these are working man's .22 rifles that do EXACTLY what they should year in, year out. I think Savage makes a great budget .22 and I'm impressed with Winchester's new (foreign made with a plastic rail system) Wildcat, caveats aside. But the 60 is the tube feed gold standard, as is the 10/22 for a mag fed gun.
Owned them both, both capable but after 200,000 rds thru both the Ruger held up better and is my preferred rifle over 600,000 rds still no issues. Both were very accurate units. The Marlin started problems going to block and was getting very loose internally. Now own 6 10/22's in various configurations. Still love my original rifle best 68 10/22 Sports Carbine.
I own both, but neither are anywhere near current production. Both have been made for decades in a wide varieties of configurations through various ups and downs of QC at their respective factories. I wouldn't rank either model over the other. In reality it comes down to your personal preference and the actual individual rifle. With decent optics you can easily shoot either to minute of squirrel . Aesthetics enters into the choice as well. My oldest Model 60 has a high quality black walnut stock with figure from the factory (I recall around 1965). I've never seen a factory 10-22 with anything other than a utilitarian stock. While current synthetic stocks are more practical than wood (and both have come with such), I'm still a sucker for a quality wood stock.
i am to brother. i just like the way an old Marlin model 60 is made with the wood stocks. im a sucker fo the old 22s. i have an old Remington 550-1 that shoots s,l,and lr. its a classic
I'm with you on aesthetics. My Sportster model 10/22 came with a black walnut stock, with checkered knurling on the forearm and grip. Walnut isn't the most highly figured of woods, but the grain is quite nice, and it greatly improves the rifle's level of refinement and overall appearance compared to the bland wood of the standard model. Most people don't immediately recognize it as a 10/22 when they first see it, lol.
My first rifle was a Marlin 60 so I am biased but I have to say that the 10/22 shot better groups on this run. Great video!
The T/CR22 10/22 clone has the last round bolt hold open feature. Many companies make 10/22 clones, while there has never been a Marlin 60 clone.
I've owned several of the old model 10/22's and they all patterned like a shotgun, never shooting tight groups. And I own a new model and had another and I don't know what Ruger did, these new models shoot amazing. But I also once owned a model 60 that shot better than my Anschütz. My current model 60 shoots okay, but not even close to that first one. At the end of the day, I like both of these rifles very much.
The earlier marlins are real accurate up until Remington bought the company. All the rugers have always been real accurate. But now ruger owns both companies
My REMLIN 60 is as accurate as my Glenfield, my 18 shot Marlin from 1985, my 1988 70 Papoose, BUT,,,, The damn Plastic Trigger Guard BROKE!!!!
Besides THAT, it is my FAVORITE for MUST MAKE!!!
I’m partial to the 10/22 only because it was my first gun. Looks like you can’t go wrong with either rifle.
I use speed loaders on my marlin. I shoot opens sites with it out to 50 yards and has always done good for I couldnt even tell you how many years now . Now , if my eyes wasnt getting so old , It would be shooting better .
I have a Marlin model 60, I've had it for over 20 years. Great gun!
I have the same Marlin in SS. It is my small game rifle and it’s taken many squirrels. I love it.
Friend brought me an old Marlin 60 to fix. Couldn't see anything, but solid gunk inside. Not cleaned in years! Stock off, sprayed clean with carb cleaner, then WD40. Perfect.
My old Iver Johnson 1947 Safety Rifle still shoots extremely accurate. No optics but it has a long 24" barrel (if I recall right). Dad got it for me at a pawn store when I was a kid. I'm 65 now. My wife needed / wanted a 22. I got her a 10/22 about 5 years back. It is the basic model, wood stock. I added a red dot for her. She shoots that gun lights out. She loves her chickens and guards her chicken coop well now. Pesky varmints always want to do a break in. My cousin has a Marlin 60. I have shot that gun before. It is a fantastic gun. Either one would do the tasks of what a 22LR rifle needs to do quite well.
They both seemed "center of squirrel" to me for out of the box. I always believed control configuration and what one may prefer is the winner. I have use the 10-22 for years do that is what works for me😎
Both are excellent in my opinion
I would love a mod60. I have a savage 64, a10/22, and a Henry. I also have the cmmg 22lr conversion for my AR. All of them are accurate as hell and are alot of fun. The mod 60 would be perfect to round out my 22lr collection.
Never liked tubular magazines for one reason. Its not so much for the loading sequence. Its pretty much the same for both when loading the magazine. My problem is emptying the magazine. With the Ruger you remove the mag, empty the chamber and your done. You're left with one loose round you can reload in the mag. With the Marlin you can have as many as 17 loose rounds that will probably be put in your pocket until the next loading. Yes you can use some type of speed loader but how convenient are they to carry around compare to a box mag? I own a 1022T and I'm still surprised how reliable it has been with all kinds of ammunition. Its more accurate than I am so what more can you want. With ammo it likes it shoots about an inch to inch and a half at 100 with a 3-9X scope. Thats good enough for me for what I shoot.
Damn shame that Marlin 60 and Marlin 795 are no longer made. Parts are becoming hard to find. Some of those little springs in the action are valuable now. I'm glad I've got a few extra parts.
Just bought my first 10/22 couple months ago. Have always had Marlin 60's and a couple of Rimingtons. I had the Marlin with the SS barrel but mine had a laminated salt and pepper stock nice looking gun had it a long time it put many bushy tails in the pot. I'm 67 finally wore it out something inside broke so I traded it & some $ to my gun guy for a 10/22.
I worked on my Ruger 10-22 a lot. I shot a lot of rounds with different ammo . At 50 yards there was always one out of three that sort of spoiled the group. I still had a 3/4 inch group . I had the trigger modified by a gunsmith etc. Letting the barrel float gave the best results . I watched the video with great interest . My daddy told me it is the group size that counts. Based on others bragging , stainless steel barrels may be more accurate in the center fire rifle category .
I've owned the Model 60 and thoroughly enjoyed it. Reliable and accurate rifle. If you're talking dollar-for-dollar, the Marlin is the better deal out of the box for accuracy. However, the 10/22 can be upgraded in every regard, and any significant upgrade (stock, trigger, barrel) will make it significantly more accurate than the Marlin, especially at 50, 75, and 100 yards.
So to me that makes the Marlin better. All those extras cost money and end up making a $300 rifle into a $500 rifle. The Marlin needs no extras unless you want to put a 4X scope on it.
The CCI stingers seem to consistently hit high… just goes to show how important it is to pick one ammo and sight your scope for that ammo.
ofcourse stinger hits way high😅 they are going way faster then allmost all 22lr ammo, cci stinger shoot so bad in my rifle it´s crazy, but with rigth ammo i can hit sub inch at 200yards 😁 if accuracy is what you want , only shot with standard speed ammo, no 22lr that go fast will get you the best accuracy ever 😊
@@magnusheiding9843 I just bought 1000 rounds of CCI 40 grain standard (they call it Target) ammo. I’ve heard nothing but good things about it.
Higher you mean. Incredible the silly things people say on the internet.
They both have a place. Both are good choices in my opinion.
The 10/22 is easier to find. I haven’t seen a model 60 in my area in years.
As for the tubular mag, that doesn’t bother me in the least
The Model 60 has been discontinued for years. Marlin doesn’t even exist anymore.
I have both and love them both but there is a reason why the Ruger is the most popular of the 2
They both gave tight groups but the Ruger is the clear winner of this challenge. Try standing with open sights. I think you will appreciate the longer barrel of that Marlin. I have owned both of these and that’s how I’d estimate them.
At 25 yards shooting a Marlin model 60 at an aluminum pie plate that was hanging in my brother in laws corn field to spook the crows, I was shooting stingers with open iron sights.
My eyes were a lot younger 20 years ago. Plus I had an audience of another brother in laws cow's and calves curiously coming up to see what I was doing.
Put 3 rounds as a perfect triangle in the dead center of the plate.
Assuming the cows were suitably amazed I went back to siting by a tree waiting for crows. They were due in 15 minutes or so.
The model 60 was purchased at a Zayre store around 1967 and had a definite love for stingers.
My first rifle was the 10/22 it liked CCI. Luckily I found an older Marlin 60. Trigger job was done in 2018. It likes CCI & Aquilla best. Federal bulk & just about anything else is ok too. The tube feed eliminates a lot of problems the rotary magazine 10/22 had. Accuracy is stellar and as CA is still struggling with magazine capacity -15 rounds are half again more than 10! As for reloading...I've used a plastic soda straws with 15 rounds as a "speed loaders.
Thank you my friend for giving true to life results,much enjoyed the review my hats off to you. I get so tired of people supposedly shooting 1/4 in at 50 an 3/8 at 75 .with a 60 dollar gun.
try blazer ammo then say that
I did it yesterday all day with cci standard vel..in true life..lol
The Ruger 10/22 won all three targets. Thank you for ensuring a fair battle.
I own both but the Marlin Model 60 was the first .22lr I ever shot. Hopefully Ruger continues to produce the Model 60 since they bought Marlin.
Being better shooters than the 10/22, the Marlin 60 and 795 will be the 1st thing Ruger shit-cans.
@@richardburnett-_ I am pretty sure Ruger will continue with the 60, not so sure about the 795.
@@rogerd777 Why pretty sure. The M60 bettered 10/22's price, reliability and accuracy. They'd have to go to the trouble of messing it up and/or raising the price in an attempt to . . . what . . . eat into the sales of their own legacy product?
@@richardburnett-_ I listened to a podcast a few days ago with the CEO of Ruger, and I seem to remember he mentioned specifically the M60, although the lever guns are a higher priority. Of course priorities change, but that is what he said then.
There's also the possibilty that you shoot the 10/22 better than the 60. They have slightly different ergonomics.
To me he actually zeroed the 10/22 and he didn't do the 60.. He got it close and called it good enough.. If he zeroed the 60 at least one group would of been in the bullseye! If a round is grouping high or right ect ect you move the scope to compensate for the high or right group that is zeroed!! Inconsistent ammo is it flying high then right and left or fliers within a group.
@@larryw5429 True.
I had a Marlin 60 which I gave to a guy I was friends with that was moving away. It was a decent plinker, no scopes or accessories on it, it was the stainless with a green laminate stock. It was a pretty gun, but I bought it for $125 back in 1988 so I’ve gotten a good bit of fun out of it. My "friend" moved to NYC and we never speak anymore. I hope they are having fun, and I wish them both well. People are weird, but life goes on. I still have two 10/22s and I love them both, and they shoot much better than the Marlin that’s why I was willing to give it away. At the time I had three 22lr rifles. One of the others is the so called Ruger 10/22 tactical model, these come with no sights but a factory secured picatinny rail and a flash suppressor for about $399 these days I bought mine for $200 at a gun show. I added a Primary Arms 22lr ACSS scope on it for $119 and that was the best money I have ever spent for a rimfire scope. IT IS a tack driver. My other is a stainless on black 10/22 take-down model I bought for $359 at another gun show and I added a Vortex Razor red dot for $399. It’s holds minute of squirrel so I’m happy with that, but it’s not as nice/accurate as the other gun. It cost a lot more, and it’s less accurate. I switched to the Primary Arms ACSS 22lr scope but it’s still less accurate. In my mind the damage is done and I don’t have another gun to put that Razor on. I only bought the razor optic because Tim at Military Arms Channel sold me on it when he put it on an AK, and I had extra cash back then. So I ordered it right away from Optics Planet. I really don’t have anything else I can put it on so until I do it’ll sit where it’s sitting. As for the question which of your two rifles are more accurate I’d say your Ruger was. From what I could see your accuracy compared much like mine did between my rifles except for my Ruger tactical model. That thing is an impressive little rifle. Very impressive. At 25 yards on a rest you could fill the dots you drew with little 22 caliber holes.
Well, the Marlin shot above point of aim for all 3, so it could have been just a bit more fine tuning for the scope was needed and it probably would have been putting them in the boxes. I have a 60 and with an old 4X32 Tasco scope on it, I can put the rounds in a box like this. I've even shot eggs off of fence posts at 50 yards with mine...with ease. My Model 60 does like the old Federal Lightning 200 round bulk pack ammo. That seems to be what it really prefers. I haven't used any more modern ammo in it yet to see if anything newer performs as good as the Lightnings did.
But I do agree with some of the other commentors, the 1022 seems to have edged out the 60 and shot slightly better in this one. Either rifle will give you a lifetime of enjoyment.
Can't decide? Buy both.
I had a marlin as a kid, my cousin owned a ruger. I always brought more rabbits home. I like to think it was more me then the rifle but it was probably the gun. Thanks
I wanna see two other people shoot the same guns same variables. It adds to the controll group😊
I've had both rifles, I like them both. I think the Ruger won in your video. I like the 10/22 more because of all the aftermarket options. Great video, thanks.
I have one of each, love them both!
For me it’s the Ruger 10/22. A Marlin Model 39A vs. Henry Classic Lever Action/golden boy would be a good comparison too!
I've bagged more critters with my Marlin than any other weapon in my collection. From raccoons, chipmunks, rabbits, rodents and other pests. Had it since I was 17 and it's still spitting Stingers 30 some yrs later. Great video, and you received my sub today cause ya cracked me up
Love both, old Marlins were made better! Let Ruger show you how it's done!
Man I hope you’re right. I hope they make that 357 lever action better and available too!
I have one bought on my 18th birthday in 75. Still the most accurate of any owned in nearly 46 years.
I never understood why loading 22s through the back of the stock like the nylon Remington or browning didn’t catch on that fast and Easley loaded and had no Jamming problems that I know of
Bought a Ruger 10/22! When I finally got around to firing it, I had three rounds from the first magazine hang-up and stick in the breach!!! I haven't fired it since!!!
I’d try some different ammo. Pretty good odds that’ll fix ya right up
I have been asked many times over the years....if I had only one and only one gun, rifle or pistol, what would it be. Answer has always been...10/22. Most versatile and accurate gun out there.
I agree. The difference usually is negligible... I mean... mass produced rifles are kinda like CPU's. You could take 2 sequentially built marlins or 2 10/22 off the same line, and have just as much if not more of a difference in performance between them than a comparison between the better of both pairs. I do however favor the 10/22 for its track record of being able to fire 100k-200k rounds ( with proper maintenance and not overheating the barrel by firing several 30 round clips as fast as you can pull the trigger... ) before needing anything replaced other than possibly a spring...
I even had a buddy bring me a 10/22 to clean that he claimed he put 70k rounds through it and never cleaned it. As you can imagine, it was pretty dirty, but it cleaned up pretty well, I did notice that its firing pin had chipped and only half of it was there, but he never replaced the part and has put another 20k-30k rounds through it since... You pretty much have to try to break the 10/22, and in a pinch you could make functional replacement parts in your garage for it if you really needed to and knew what the part was supposed to look like...
I modified my 10-22 so it does the last round hold-open. Several companies offer the little steel plate (it's inexpensive), or you can easily mod the stock plate like I did.
Looks like the 10/22 won this one. I have a Marlin 60 I got for my 16th birthday in 1971. It has the squirrels on the grip and holds 18 rounds. I put a Weaver 4x scope on it and it was my squirrel gun for many years. I found the CCI Stingers not the most accurate for me. The Winchester Dynapoints is what my gun liked best. The most accurate.22’s I ever shot was a buddy of mines Remington 541S and a Browning T-Bolt. Thanks for the video! 👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸
Nice review. I've had both of these and I gotta say each one has plusses and minuses. I like 'em both. Pro tip: put a piece of old carpeting or a cheap welcome mat on the top of your shooting bench. It prevents dropping rounds onto the ground and turning your elbows into taco cheese.
It came with a pad but I got sick of it staying wet so I got rid of it lol
Precisely why the Ruger 1022 is the most popular semi-auto 22 rifle. Three things I noticed the Ruger has over the Marlin. Firstly, accuracy. Secondly, consistency when using different variations of ammo. As you can see, the Ruger didn't have a dramatic POI shift until you started shooting the Stingers. With the Marlin, it had a noticeable impact shift across all three of the different ammo variations. Noticeable inconsistency between ammo variations is what I find most annoying in a 22 rifle. Thirdly, the box magazine containing all the rounds is more rearward compared to the tube magazine going out to the muzzle. Therefore causing the Marlin to be heavier at the muzzle, which is not what I'd want.
You mentioned the other two things. Detachable magazine for faster reloads and the vast aftermarket support. The aftermarket support leads me to mention about the last round bolt hold. If you want this on a Ruger 1022. Brownells sells the parts needed. Power Custom Match bolt and CST Auto Bolt Stop(currently out stock). I have this set up in a Tactical Innovations 1022 reciver and also in a Tactical Solutions 10/22. With my Tactical Solutions 1022, I just modified the proprietary Tactical bolt to work with the CST Auto Bolt Stop. Both work flawless after tweaking the spring on the CST Auto Bolt Stop.
I have both guns. I like them Bought the model 60 for $50 at a gun show. 20 yrs ago. It had never been fired
A friend of mine had a marlin model 60 but it did not say that on the barrel it had a hardware store name, and the model of the gun was the revelation.
My first rifle that I ever owned by myself was a 1965 Marlin Glenfield Model 60... I own 2 other pre 1970 Model 60s, 2 post 1970 Model 60s and one Marlin Model 795 which is a model 60 with a bottom feed clip instead of the tube feed... I also have one late 60s 10/22, a mid 70s 10/22, an early 90s 10/22, a 2015 10/22, and a 10/22 Charger pistol purchased a couple of months after buying my lat 10/22 rifle... other than my 3 M&P 15-22s, these are the only multiples of the same models that I own in any caliber... Without ANY doubt in MY life experience, out of the box, the Model 60 Marlins were/are more accurate out to 100 yards for sure... and I never started putting scopes on anything until my 50 year old eyes told me it might be a good idea... and I have to mention that not every 10/22 I own likes the same ammo, and the same with the Model 60s.. I never pitted them against each other out past 100 yards because there's no sense in it... Other than very limited after market stocks, doing a trigger job and scoping on the Model 60, there's really not a lot you can do to them.... and everybody knows the endless deal with the 10/22s..... It's funny how Ruger copied (made their own version of) the most popular rimfire ever made and now owns the company that made them... I am a firm believer in those micro grooved barrels...
I’m admittedly biased toward the Ruger. For me, it’s the box mag vs the tube feeding. I feel both are plenty accurate and reliable. There’s no wrong answer in my opinion. Great video.
I have the Ruger 10/22, would love to have that Marlin like you have there! Very nice rifles!
Informative Post ! Only one thing ----》why the scope ? I would llike, to see what these rifles would do with O.E.M. sights and FIOCCI or ELY Competition Match ammunition. Have you ever reviewed tack-drivers like the KIMBER M82 GOVERNMENT, VALMET M62, H&R M12, WINCHESTER M52D, or the ANSCHUTZ M54.30 ? If you have, a revisit would be appreciated by someone just getting started in competitive .22 shooting. Thank you !
Have you ever shot a Remington 550-1 was just wondering because everyone that shoots mine wants to buy or trade for it but it was my grandfather's and I won't sell just wanted a opinion! Thank you for the content.
I have not but now I want to lol
M Carbo makes a really good Picatinny Rail to fit the dovetail on the model 60. I drilled a few divots into the set screws to set it good and tight. Works great.
Liked your method overall but 25 Yards? That's not even far enough for a good air rifle comparison.
Those groups would likely pan out differently at 75 to 100 yards
I have two 10/22s, an older model 60 Marlin (pre Remington and Cerberus), and an old High Standard that I've had since I was 14 (a long time ago).
The 10/22s will outshoot the Marlin with anything, and the High Standard will outshoot them both.
I generally choose the 10/22 simply for the ease of loading!
For someone looking to get their first 22. Get the Ruger. You can’t beat the detachable magazine.
With the marlin you have to put your hand by the muzzle to load.