Hi! I have made something similar on my Royal Enfield. This solution has a weakness, not to hold the soft bag at the bottom. You know the MZ ETS Trophy. Browse to see their panniers in the 80's. "MZ ETS Panniers" It has a foldable bottom frame too (kept by belts when it is not in use). I think this can be a good improvement on the existing one, to have much more stable and safe pannier, whihc can be used with anything (any bag) and will reduce the stress of the hook of your drybag. I do not want be "smarty", just an advise. Enjoy your journeys!
Hi Alex I'm just revisiting you excellent video as I'm going to make the former / die on my lathe and wanted to recheck the diameter of the radius but so glad I did because I've had a nightmare obtaining 18 mm of tube for a reasonable price and it seems you did too.
Hey there, I hope you got some material. I remember, when I did the video it was super hard to purchase any material, because all steel suppliers stopped selling to private persons here in Germany. Luckily the situation relaxed a bit, however this 18mm tubing is still completely ludicrous in terms of the price...
Hey there, thank you so much. I used medium heavy hydraulic tubing (DIN 2440) in 3/8 inch size, this has an OD of 17.2 mm according to spec. Make sure you get the version without zinc coating. Welding the zinc coating is highly toxic and a pain in the a to weld too... For me the 17.2mm size worked just perfectly fine. Also the hydraulic tubing is way cheaper than and 18mm precision pipe, as the size is much more common.
@@buildfromsketch8102 thank you very much for your answer, can I weld with a no gas continuous wire inverter welding machine? Forgive the ignorant questions. I just started by welding the legs of a table. :D I wanted to try building a pannier rack as a second project. If I couldn't find the tube, I was looking for the solid rod.
@@AndreaPinto You're welcome! Don't worry, your questions are not ignorant! I think that TIG or MIG/MAG welding would be the ideal choice. I am not sure, but I think you are talking about using a MIG welder in a no-gas setup with flux core wire. If you are talking about that: Yes, this can work, but using a MIG welder with flux core is tricky on thin walled material (for example pipe) or small workpieces. You will get better results using a MIG with solid wire and shielding gas. TIG welding will give you the best results. I would not recommend using the solid rod material, as it will get very heavy. As you seem to be from Italy, the pipe I used will be available very commonly. Just call some local hydraulic shops or material sellers and ask them for non-galvanized 3/8" hydraulic tube. They will be able to help you. Maybe you can also visit them and measure the OD of the pipe, so you can verify that you have the right dimensions.
@@buildfromsketch8102 Thanks again for the answer. Yes I'm Italian ehhe Unfortunately I have this "parkside synergic welding machine PIFDS 120 A1". I can only set the thickness of the weld. A simple welder for small jobs. I don't have the ability to use gas. For the table I welded the legs, they are profiles with a thickness of 2mm. The welding machine creates so many dots that I took it off. Seems pretty sturdy to me. I thought I could use the right coil to weld steel. Instead I seem to understand that it can not be done?!?
@@AndreaPinto These machines are not bad in general, but there is a big difference between a table and the pannier racks. The table will have a static load most of the time and there is only little risk when it collapses. But the pannier racks will have oscillating loads, vibrations and shocks the whole time. Any imperfections in the weld can and will lead to cracks over time. And the risk to hurt yourself or somebody else is not so small. Imagine you loose your luggage on the highway... Maybe you can order the materials, bend the pipes and ask a welding shop to professionally TIG-weld it for you. Usually that's not so expensive and the quality will be perfect.
With mild steel pipe pretty much any welding process works, even stick if you've had enough practice although I would gas weld it, (because I can) Are you limited by TUV in Germany? I haven't heard anything since about 2003 but it sounded terrible enough back then and I doubt things got easier
Yes, actually any welding process will do just fine, but stick-welding is tricky below 3mm wall thickness. Gas welding is also nice, but tricky on the bike (open flame with big flare next to the gas tank, you know....). TIG is the way to go in my opinion. Actually, the TÜV is very strict with everything. Cargo racks are kind of the exception: As long as they are only bolted to the frame (and not permanently attached by welding) it's regarded as cargo (same thing with roll cages in cars). Of course you have to make sure the welds are of good quality, but the TÜV puts all the responsibility into your hands...
@@buildfromsketch8102 When I moved from Britain to America I had the idea things would be 'easier' as it's such a 'car culture', but, turns out your much more restricted than in Britain where even MOT seems something of a joke nowadays (I was an MOT tester for several years) If you have enough money (I don't) you can build pretty much anything on an existing platform if it's 'old' enough, I think early 70's (without having cash to do it I never bothered to look into it) Insurance here is crazy expensive although for some strange reason, in Florida motorcycle insurance is optional? (even after 24 years I still find that strange) Friend in Britain was paying about a quarter the cost of insurance on a Porsche Boxter that I pay on a 19 yr old Mazda pick up. Last time I heard about such things in Germmany was quite a long time ago, I was teaching at MMI and had a German teenager training (I believe he returned home and makes TUV approved parts for Harley Davidson last time I heard from him) I was also the only one at MMI who got his name right (Kai-Petr ******)
@@buildfromsketch8102 Oh, I use gas as I don't have a TIG, a good one that can also weld aluminium is a bit expensive for the amount of use it would get. I have heard it's similar to gas welding but never actually tried it so learning curve could be a bit steep.
Not bad for eye-lignment. Using a level makes keeping the bends in the same plane easier.
Really good channel. Enjoying your videos. Hopefully more to come
Thank you! I'll work on it! :)
Hi! I have made something similar on my Royal Enfield. This solution has a weakness, not to hold the soft bag at the bottom. You know the MZ ETS Trophy. Browse to see their panniers in the 80's. "MZ ETS Panniers" It has a foldable bottom frame too (kept by belts when it is not in use). I think this can be a good improvement on the existing one, to have much more stable and safe pannier, whihc can be used with anything (any bag) and will reduce the stress of the hook of your drybag. I do not want be "smarty", just an advise. Enjoy your journeys!
Hi Alex I'm just revisiting you excellent video as I'm going to make the former / die on my lathe and wanted to recheck the diameter of the radius but so glad I did because I've had a nightmare obtaining 18 mm of tube for a reasonable price and it seems you did too.
Hey there, I hope you got some material.
I remember, when I did the video it was super hard to purchase any material, because all steel suppliers stopped selling to private persons here in Germany. Luckily the situation relaxed a bit, however this 18mm tubing is still completely ludicrous in terms of the price...
Nice project!! I Santa ti see it finish.. saludos desde Mexico
Amazon video, i remember when I made my own racks
Thanks! :)
Hi! Great work! it is hard to find the pipes with 18mm
Hey there, thank you so much. I used medium heavy hydraulic tubing (DIN 2440) in 3/8 inch size, this has an OD of 17.2 mm according to spec. Make sure you get the version without zinc coating. Welding the zinc coating is highly toxic and a pain in the a to weld too...
For me the 17.2mm size worked just perfectly fine. Also the hydraulic tubing is way cheaper than and 18mm precision pipe, as the size is much more common.
@@buildfromsketch8102 thank you very much for your answer, can I weld with a no gas continuous wire inverter welding machine?
Forgive the ignorant questions.
I just started by welding the legs of a table. :D
I wanted to try building a pannier rack as a second project.
If I couldn't find the tube, I was looking for the solid rod.
@@AndreaPinto You're welcome! Don't worry, your questions are not ignorant!
I think that TIG or MIG/MAG welding would be the ideal choice.
I am not sure, but I think you are talking about using a MIG welder in a no-gas setup with flux core wire.
If you are talking about that: Yes, this can work, but using a MIG welder with flux core is tricky on thin walled material (for example pipe) or small workpieces.
You will get better results using a MIG with solid wire and shielding gas.
TIG welding will give you the best results.
I would not recommend using the solid rod material, as it will get very heavy.
As you seem to be from Italy, the pipe I used will be available very commonly.
Just call some local hydraulic shops or material sellers and ask them for non-galvanized 3/8" hydraulic tube. They will be able to help you. Maybe you can also visit them and measure the OD of the pipe, so you can verify that you have the right dimensions.
@@buildfromsketch8102 Thanks again for the answer. Yes I'm Italian ehhe
Unfortunately I have this "parkside synergic welding machine PIFDS 120 A1".
I can only set the thickness of the weld.
A simple welder for small jobs.
I don't have the ability to use gas.
For the table I welded the legs, they are profiles with a thickness of 2mm.
The welding machine creates so many dots that I took it off. Seems pretty sturdy to me.
I thought I could use the right coil to weld steel. Instead I seem to understand that it can not be done?!?
@@AndreaPinto These machines are not bad in general, but there is a big difference between a table and the pannier racks. The table will have a static load most of the time and there is only little risk when it collapses. But the pannier racks will have oscillating loads, vibrations and shocks the whole time. Any imperfections in the weld can and will lead to cracks over time. And the risk to hurt yourself or somebody else is not so small. Imagine you loose your luggage on the highway...
Maybe you can order the materials, bend the pipes and ask a welding shop to professionally TIG-weld it for you. Usually that's not so expensive and the quality will be perfect.
With mild steel pipe pretty much any welding process works, even stick if you've had enough practice although I would gas weld it, (because I can)
Are you limited by TUV in Germany? I haven't heard anything since about 2003 but it sounded terrible enough back then and I doubt things got easier
Yes, actually any welding process will do just fine, but stick-welding is tricky below 3mm wall thickness. Gas welding is also nice, but tricky on the bike (open flame with big flare next to the gas tank, you know....). TIG is the way to go in my opinion.
Actually, the TÜV is very strict with everything. Cargo racks are kind of the exception: As long as they are only bolted to the frame (and not permanently attached by welding) it's regarded as cargo (same thing with roll cages in cars). Of course you have to make sure the welds are of good quality, but the TÜV puts all the responsibility into your hands...
@@buildfromsketch8102 When I moved from Britain to America I had the idea things would be 'easier' as it's such a 'car culture', but, turns out your much more restricted than in Britain where even MOT seems something of a joke nowadays (I was an MOT tester for several years)
If you have enough money (I don't) you can build pretty much anything on an existing platform if it's 'old' enough, I think early 70's (without having cash to do it I never bothered to look into it)
Insurance here is crazy expensive although for some strange reason, in Florida motorcycle insurance is optional? (even after 24 years I still find that strange) Friend in Britain was paying about a quarter the cost of insurance on a Porsche Boxter that I pay on a 19 yr old Mazda pick up. Last time I heard about such things in Germmany was quite a long time ago, I was teaching at MMI and had a German teenager training (I believe he returned home and makes TUV approved parts for Harley Davidson last time I heard from him) I was also the only one at MMI who got his name right (Kai-Petr ******)
@@buildfromsketch8102 Oh, I use gas as I don't have a TIG, a good one that can also weld aluminium is a bit expensive for the amount of use it would get. I have heard it's similar to gas welding but never actually tried it so learning curve could be a bit steep.
well done.i am sure its limited edition.
Yeah, that's for sure!
Yow dude, you kinda look like Connor Murphy. Hahahahaha