For men who aren't a dominant personality type, it's a lot of pressure to feel like you're supposed to be the one in charge when you don't want to be the one in charge
@@veptrix2776 how is that an "insecurity" lmao its hilarious how people be throwing the word insecurity towards others when they have nothing else to say... you don't know shit. Just because someone is in charge doesn't mean its "toxic controlling issues" and neither can you always be truly equal. That's just not a real thing. And you don't believe that either. You don't even understand what being equal in all situations would mean in practice. So yea, unlike you I actually am thinking and I can back up my claims unlike you, who actually are the one talking "stupid shit"
@@veptrix2776 Im not basing my statements on personal experience. Im basing them on the status quo, which is in return based on a mix of statistics, studies, or stuff like basic biology or psychology. My personal experience is a bonus if anything. And yes. People want to be in charge generally speaking, especially men. That's just a fact.
I never realized that people treated me differently as a single mom until my son left the church and pointed it out to me. I think we learn to ignore things that are obvious because we're too busy serving.
@@scottbrandon6244 Yes, in my case, a woman wanted her hubby to stop being my home teacher bc we got along so well. Nothing inappropriate was going on, we just had a lot in common.
I hear a lot of people say (a) it's not a cult and (b) they like the culture. I don't think they realize that an insular culture that largely excludes outsiders is definitional of a cult.
@@yaboyashton1426 My Mormon boss explained he liked to keep moving to new states or countries so his kids wouldn't establish friendships with non-Mormons during their childhood. It makes my skin crawl how insular Mormons are. BYU is their college of choice. No mixing there.
@@sleepycalico not all mormons are great people just like every group in the world but dont let one bad person make you decide about all of them because I am a mormon and in reality very few actually go to BYU. BYU actually only has like 20000 people in it correct me if I'm wrong but that's not much when your considering 15 million mormons
@@yaboyashton1426 Yes, of course there is a mix of people in every group. I'd be curious to know how many Mormons graduate from other universities vs those who don't go on to college at all. Re the 15 million, most Mormons are lapsed. Only 2 - 4 million are practicing believers. The information age is proving more and more deadly to Mormonism. Still, even if you accepted my 2-4 million figure, which I don't expect, the graduates from BYU and the Idaho campus, including not just current attendees, but all attendees since the schools were first established, would still be a small percentage against several million. The way cults value education (or fear it) is fascinating to me. LDS gives its highest admiration to students who attend their private universities. At least, that's what I perceive. Jehovah's Witnesses actively discourage all college for their adherents, so very few go on to college and remain JWs. I can't even tell what is going on with Scientology. They isolate school children much earlier, so I can't even get college-specific information from Google. I'm enjoying talking to you.
@@angryarmadillogaming7863 Ooof. "Largely excludes outsiders" does not equate to having NO friends outside the group. By "insular," I am saying Mormons don't take much interest in cultures, beliefs, and people outside of their own homogenous milieu. What I observe is closer to your phrase, "Just because people don’t go outside of the church...." It's great that Mormon's invite others to join them, and, yes, they are very kind and welcoming. When my grandma was in her 90s, her Mormon neighbors kept checking in on her, and I would never doubt the good hearts. Kindness is a hallmark of Mormons. On the flip side, when a member of one's own family leaves the church, ostracizing happens often enough that I would call it commonplace. That's a cult thing. When missionaries go out to preach, they are kept in a highly controlled environment, told not to be separated from their companion except for using the bathroom, limited to what they can read, told not to watch TV and so on. That's a cult thing, keeping an iron grip on their experiences and their access to outside information. And how many converts does a missionary generally make? A handful to none -- over two years of doing nothing BUT trying to convince people to join up. Almost all new members have to be born into the system and indoctrinated from birth for the beliefs to seem to make sense. And they have to spend a lifetime living with believers and staying away from widely available facts. Yes, I know Mormons get good educations and that, of necessity, the majority of education is outside of the BYU system. My questions were about various percentages, and I know you would answer my questions if you could, or if I was clearer. I appreciate your efforts and your kindness. Best wishes.
This hit home for me! Growing up in the church I was taught to listen to my feelings as long as they were in line with the “whisperings of the spirit” and the direction of leadership. I ignored my own voice screaming in my head about the trauma I had been experiencing for years.
…And I think this is why my husband doesn’t really care to listen to my reasons why I no longer believe. I am a woman, and therefore not somebody that he sees as an authority. 😕 In fact, he always felt like he was the one who knew more about the church than me (which was true… until now). 😂
A husband that doesn’t care to listen doesn’t sound like a good partner so I feel for you. But maybe something will start to click with him as well. I wouldn’t put more than 500 days into it tho personally. It would break me. Think about all perspectives and make decisions that support your well-being.
⬆️ What they said. Seems like you don’t matter to him very much and maybe never did. As you watch these videos you will see couples who leave together-and that doesn’t always work out either, because they got married for the wrong reasons. If you have children with this man, he will demand they be raised in the cult. What then?
My removal from the christianity started at the same time that my mind was opened to feminism, particularly the realization that I had been brainwashed by my faith and society that feminism was just a bunch of angry women, when in reality it is just as much about women's rights as it is about protecting men from the toxicity of society, real feminism looks at traditional male roles and recognizes how harmful they are for all men.
What a lot of ppl don’t realize is that had the government not intervened (twice) regarding polygamy, the church would not have grown nearly as much & would’ve stayed in UT as a cult. They’d be like “that weird state” in the country.
@@pippaschroeder9660 might wanna read your Pauline epistles again. Few modern churches really go over that stuff, but Paul was all about telling the wimmen “shut up and cover your head in church”.
this is what's so important about helping friends out of cult mentality. you HAVE to be able to stop, look at where their values and weaknesses lie, and appeal to *that* as best you can. yours was with your husband and your love/respect for him. for others, it's truth to God's word and honesty. for some, it's protecting children and being honorable. you just gotta play the game
The whole “men are superior” bit was tough for me before I left. I have friends who are far smarter and more capable than their husbands, but yet they are discouraged from working outside of the home or ever questioning the choices that their husband makes.
I spent the first 15 years of my life in the church and my family decided to leave as my parents realized the true nature of the church. As I got older, especially as I entered young women’s, I started seeing basic flaws in the church’s logic and teachings and I also got really upset with the conservative standards put on young women and men. As I voiced my concerns to my parents, they started realizing the same things and more in the structure and ideology of the church and we eventually decided to leave and no longer attend the Mormon church. I am so glad that we have left because my days are much happier now that I don’t have to fit oppressive standards put on women. The rest of my relatives on both sides are still decidedly lds and I have started feeling bad for their young kids growing up in that environment and I want to help them in any way I can. I am so glad I was able to get out before I got too much older
I married a Mormon man. He hasn’t LEFT the church, but he is not active. I am not LDS and make a very bad Mormon woman. My husband works for me (literally) I never wanted or has children, and I don’t care about home. Just try to be a good person just be a good person, and it works for me. Hubby has joined my parade and we are now that annoying couple, all cutesy and together 24/7.
Huge lack of matriarchs. It's more interesting when there is a balance of both, you see a better layering on perspectives complimenting a better complex. With just one or the other, it's just too over positioned in one stance and that complexity is lost into over simplification.
I'm not Mormon but I've noticed myself doing the same thing for basically my whole life! I've been with my husband since I was 15 so we've grown up together, but it's only been like literally the last three years that I got a mind of my own! Lol
I am so thankful that my dad saw through the Mormon Church bullshit. He grew up in the Church. Became an ordained youth minister. Never really practiced it to heart. After he got married to my mom (a Southern Baptist), he started seeing things like you. I am so thankful that I didn't get forced into the church as a kid like he did. He broke the cycle. He still has his Book of Mormon. He tried to explain the religion to me but he rambles so much that I get lost in it. Too much going on. I am glad you have made this channel, it's easier to understand what it was all about when I can pause and replay your videos.😂😅 I love my parents because neither one forced their own beliefs on me growing up. I wouldn't call myself an atheist, I guess I'm more spiritual in the sense that I believe there is a God. Just I don't believe in some of the bibles that were written. I know my relationship with God. I don't need a book to tell me what it is and guilt trip me into paying tithes.
You should really read the bible, The New Living. It is very interesting, history as well as the WHOLE GOOD NEWS about just how much God loves us. I am talking the whole picture.
I was told to remove cursed objects from my home so in the bin they all went ...the late Derek Prince an English gentleman has wonderful books to learn from.. I discovered the last 7 yrs now I'm not fooled anymore into believing their cult is the only source of truth xxx
What started me was when my bishop did a Q&A for a youth activity. Two of the questions were about the racist implications of the "curse of Caine" and the priesthood ban on African American members. The curse part, I knew about but never really thought about. But that was the first time I heard about the priesthood ban. So after that, I started looking closer at the actions of the Mormon church. Since this was around when they were protesting gay marriage rights and put that one rule about the homosexual parents, as well as being when I started to realize I was trans, my faith quickly faded. I started to realize that even if the Book of Mormon was true, there was no way this church I was in truly knew and talked to God. Cause I was told my whole life that he was so loving, but here his supposed church was doing really hateful things in his name. I didn't even learn about all the BS in the Bible, Book of Mormon, and the history of Mormonism till half a decade after I left!
you can change your mind with new information 🐠🐟🐠 i love your sarcasm and your naked honesty. you are rare and wondrous. critical thinking and your level of honesty wouldn't have been something that was encouraged. i, too, am easy-lucky-free.
My grandparents were kicked out of the Mormon church in NE Arizona because my social worker grandma told several battered wives to leave their husbands. The excuse they used was catching my grandfather drinking wine at an Italian restaurant in town.
My dear friend who is very progressive converted to the church for her now ex husband at 21 or so. They married in the temple, wore the underwear, and everything. He abused her and cheated on her and I suspect sabotaged her birth control to get her pregnant immediately after they got married. The church helped her with her deposits to get a new apartment and even helped her move out. They’ve been supportive of her so she’s leaned in. She has left to other LDS churches due to what leadership has said about queer people and vaccines. She speaks out when she hears social injustices in the church. I’m a life long atheist and I wish she was a pastor because she truly is so good. (She once told me Bernie Sanders didn’t stand up for trans people enough and wished he was more progressive.) But like I still wish you’d come up in her feed to open her eyes. I’m very open with her about my opinions on organized religion. We spoke about things like the City Creek Center in Salt Lake and she genuinely didn’t know how much wealth the LDS church controlled and how they gained it. I just don’t want her to be abused by the church too when she is so so good.
The thing that really blows my mind, is that if the Mormonism that existed when Joseph Smith was leading it were Mormonism today, like exactly the way it was in JS time?,?,?, OMGosh!!!!! I don’t know anyone that would be running to join his group!!! The history is there, the facts are all there, so why are former Mormons mixed up, sad or whatever? The modern-day Mormon faith that I was raised in and that many were raised in is like being raised in is like a Walt Disney movie. It’s so lovely and so beautiful and so good because people from birth are trained to believe that we have to be involved in all these activities and be “Boy Scouted to adhere to endless servitude and rules to the point that we don’t even recognize the real world of simple Christianity at all!! According to Jesus, we are supposed to be in the world representing him the way he lived. He loved everyone. He hung out with the prostitutes and the drunks and the infirm and diseased, and loved them and taught them, no matter how much the Mormons say they do the same things they really don’t. They are in a unique, cookie cutter, perfectionistic world of their own, and when you’re raised in that yes, everything else looks ugly and weird until you realize that the sterile, Walt Disney World, that they’re all trying to live in again, it’s not the true world that Christ wants you to exist in. He is our savior our true example. He’s the only one. There is no other. He took all the sins of the world to save us. There’s nothing, repeat nothing we can do to earn favor with Christ, other than honoring him and praising him! We are zip unless we put HiM, not deeds first! The Mormon church mutated over and over again until it came to what it is today and it’s consistently changing with the wind in the ways of the world, not that some of those changes are a bad thing. No, they’re not bad what’s bad is that they keep thinking that they’re going to convince us that, they’re not following politics, but they totally are! They always have since after Joseph Smith. They have changed with the times. Christ changes not!! Thank you for your time. I have never felt so normal or so close to the Lord as I have since I left the LDS church. I feel so bad that, many people who leave have such a terrible time of it. Cling to Jesus, have faith, repent regularly, and trust in his powerhouse of simple love, and you will find your way. Much love & Merry Christmas.
My dad's mental health was pushed to the side not only because he was one of 8 kids, but also I've found that the church (at least the ward I went to with my grandma) was very opposed to helping with mental health and instead encouraged you to just pray and follow the teachings instead of get help. And on top of that, to this day my dad still hasn't broken the whole "You're a burden if you can't provide" mindset the church has instilled in him. Plus- being a woman who isn't submissive to a man was VERY much frowned upon and was another reason I disliked the church when I got older and began to be more independent.
Recently the mental health thing has been discussed in general conference multiple times. The leaders of the church are encouraging people to take care of themselves.
@@flutenanyidk1806 Their past neglect of the topic caused a lot of tragedy within a lot of families I knew personally though, and probably countless more.
Same, except it was my wife (she is stunningly intelligent and can be very convincing) and Pentecostalism. Sometimes it takes that unconditional bond/trust between two true friends to lead each other out of the dark. And what you begin to see from the outside, looking in is just... it feels absolutely mind boggling what you were blinded to before.
Love your little “party tricks.” I believe comedians are expert observers of complex human behavior able to expose our individual foibles in entertaining ways which is why your channel is growing so fast. Keep us laughing and crying!
you have come a long way from little miss obedient to this self expression. glad you started thinking for yourself. I have been inactive for years, cause i knew something about the church wasnt quite right, also being the only memeber in my entire school district in chicago filled with non denominational christian, agnostics and lots of jewish kids, so my view of what religions was, was widespread and different than growing up in utah, i saw many ways to pray and different belief structures. I think if there were a community of fun people, maybe things would be different but they aren't. i am watching this special about the 19 kids and couting expose on amazon, and this IBJI group/cult, and while there is no association, i see a lot of similarities.
It's a FASCINATING set of morality tales written by old men, and that's about it. ESPECIALLY since there are multiple books the church has decided to leave out...
@@Serene80 oh tell me exactly how they were left out and what books there are because I guarantee you just have two bits of information that you read somewhere or that somebody told you and they aren't factual at all. Mormonism is a sex cult an evil sex cult just like Islam. But Christ is real and it would behoove you to learn the history of Judeo Christendom. I can tell you actually don't know anything about it based on your comment.
The absolute oppression of the strict gender roles placed on men in *most* fundamentalist faiths, to be sole providers, decision makers, spiritual leaders - the backbones of their families - while also being prohibited from expressing stress, weakness, or big emotions that can come with big responsibility... is one of many reasons that the sort of gender equality in our communities and gender equity and balanced work sharing in our domestic partnerships *should be* important to feminism in its purist form. Rigid and oppressive gender roles are so damaging and destructive to both men, women, families, and communities.
Absolutely. belle hooks (feminist) wrote an amazing book about this called The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity and Love. It’s very helpful for men and women alike
Thanks future great grand kids or great great grand kids or great great great grand kids for getting baptized for me in the temple after I'm dead so I can drink my coffee and fireballs and smoke my cigs and wacky tobacky wear my spaghetti strap tank tops and have my body piercings and tattoos and a lazy learner today, just so I can be sealed to the family chain and be the 130th wife to some old guy and have 8 billion spirit babies. Thanks so much cheers 🥂............
Right, it goes beyond Mormonism. People are more likely to trust "authority" figures in many parts of life. Like parents, spouses, bosses, good friends, preachers, and celebrities.
As an ex-mormon I finally realized that God doesn't give 2 shits about us and if he did he wouldn't have given us covid or any of the terrible things that have happened over history
It makes me happy when families get out together ❤️. I always felt left out in my Catholic school (that I went to solely for the education) I wished I believed in God and Jesus, but I never did. I remember thinking from a very young age that Jesus was probably a crazy guy (not even in a mean way, just my logical thinking) bc they didn't know about schizophrenia and stuff back then. ... But now I'm so grateful for my analytical brain lol
Have you looked into the Arizona London bridge? It was also dug up where it shouldn’t have been and had a whole lie started to cover up the truth.. a whole town has built itself up around the lie.
Youre so lucky to have left the church and still ended up with a happy family. Most woman who leave keep going back because the world they were brought up in to be a “woman” in , does not value the same things Mormons value and the family model is near unattainable to the expectation of a Mormon woman without marrying another Mormon. Believe it or not, you have a happy life today because you were Mormon yesterday. You just happen to lead a lucky path. Good for you 👍👍
Well when i first prayed about the book of mormon years ago soon after i had a dream and the being in the dream who i believed was from god pointed to not only the bible but to the book of mormon also and said it was the same....
Thank you for your honesty and love for the truth. I haven't followed you very long, but leaving Cults often means broken relationships and a loss of structures you're used to. But you loved the truth enough to leave something you knew was a lie. That is a beautiful thing.
What anties don't seem to realize is that we are here on this earth to be tested and prove our commitment to improving our spirituality. Some people can't handle that, feeling that it is easier and more fun to live the ways of the world, so they give up and give in to their fallen nature and turn their back on what has been put on earth, by God to help them. Then they try to encourage others to do the same to try to justify their choices Call it devil missionary work. Misery loves company. Choices have consequences.
Why is it the teachings tell us we are monotheistic when in fact, we are polytheistic? If when we die, we can become gods of this planet, and other people have been elevated to be gods of their planets, doesn’t that mean there are multiple gods?
As an exmo, I often feel like I SHOULD know how to deconstruct it better, but I never really understood the doctrine very well in the first place so idk how to deconstruct it if I don’t even know what it looks like yaknow? It’s SUPER impressive to see you have complete and utter expertise with this, and it makes me happy
You’re a genius and I’m so grateful for your ticktocks they make me feel less insane and so validated! I never agreed to get baptized but I was stuck in the cult for quite some time🤐
IDK why the algorithm keeps giving me (someone who is not and has never been mormon) ex-mormon content so consistently but I hope you and your family are doing well now cause dang this stuff is wild
Whelp, he's VERY fortunate to have you, No joke. Not all guys are lucky to have a gal listen to them especially in a relationship and keep things comparatively respectful. I've seen staunch devoted Women listen in to their Man or BF and then turn it around to destroy their life for weak faith or use their vulnerability as an emotional hook/ or emotional hold over to entrap them into a sort of Salvation Projector or relational blackmail. (The Woman would hold his secrets over his head to get the relation as to how they want it and completely destroy the Guy's will and confidence in life) I myself have been petrified to find a Gal from the faith, even to have some similar cultural parallel to relate to. Mormon/LDS Gals often go beyond that personal boundary (because Mormonism/LDS doesn't teach boundaries nor do they support the understanding boundaries). The common behavior for LDS Gals is to rummage in areas that they shouldn't/ don't have consent and they believe they are the qualified individual to 'Save' someone when often they have no business getting involved or tampering with very sensitive things. That usually occurs if the Guy doesn't pass their extensive mile long worthy 'list', or the Gal likes the Guy, but believes that she is the holy one to 'hollow and scrape' out a guys sanity and life and re-decorate it into their ideal model of worthy and holy. If it's not that then they are going back to their parents and either exaggerating Gossip to gain a sense of self importance through torturing their Guy through harmful/gossip channels to exploit him and his life further, or that Gal is getting domineering tips from their emotionally harmful parents to dig into someone or to sideline the Guy and dig into his self worth even further, and to eventually turn him over to Leadership when the Gal or her family is done with him so they can win Leader favor for their emotional extortion or go up a rung in their social community. Depending on the Area in Utah County/ SLC some LDS parents even teach their daughter to marry into the social stature or money. -If she ever gets dissatisfied, she can always take 50% of all his assets and finances. I've seen a lot of gentle/meek guys work their damnedest to create a financial pool to start a family, then the gal screws them over or only staid in the relationship until they cashed out. That sort of thing destroys guys lives and their whole grasp on reality/sanity. -If there is little money, but the guy is of High stature. She can claim off her dissatisfaction in consensual coitus to claim he r*ped her and blackmail him or to get some sort of exchange on her parents part + save her own face from being lowered in her purity-perfection community. or She can turn the relationship into a power scheme to win more stature/power for her family, or for herself on social media- blowing everything out of proportion while the guy who's naïve and inexperienced is helpless, outcast by his circle and lost when he's just a young inexperienced RM. From my own experience... (1st Gal close with) Was there for the meal ticket, (2nd Gal close with) was a subversive gold digger/ 2 faced Emotional Sadist, (3rd Gal) Saw me as her Save Project and was very emotionally arrogant with her self-righteousness/made a mess of life exposing things to her circle. No reciprocity whatsoever, she just inserted herself in people's life like a statement of 'right'. She had a very sheltered way of life with no adventure, just church. (4th Gal) Wanted to have a white baby (5th Gal ) Wanted to have a white baby (6th Gal) Her community almost killed her because she was dating someone Non-white (She was literally stalked, she and her family received death threats). All the while when I was active, I took everything personally on the measure of my own spirituality, felt cursed, and went through near Kidney Failure (a part of Anorexia and Mission -radiation water long term effect) + Anorexia. Got over it after self-destructive behavior, self re-invention, done with dating LDS Women. Was a dream once upon a time ago when I was younger, but a save on sanity + low drama life is more important. Besides don't have to cater to 'pulling teeth' to do something fun or go on an adventure. The Xenophobic dissatisfaction of quite a few LDS Men/Women are ridiculous (Yes these are adults). They don't want to go to Pow-wows, cultural explorations, anywhere that isn't LDS intensive. They sit in the car and brood or complain like a grump and try to ruin your day. Camping can even be just as bad. They love talking smack about other cultures/ be in some superiority binge to reaffirm their self righteousness.
Let me tell you something about how God operates.No where in the bible can you fine one example where God allowed a church,bishop,teacher or anyone else to decide who can be saved or who will be lost.Salvation is between you and Jesus.About all religions including the LDS use threats like were the true church and our church is all god will accept or if you give up on our truth you will GO TO HELL. Its a ploy to keep you in the loop so they can use you and your money and time. Jesus was saving long before the LDS was thought of and he doesn't need them to save your eternal soul.The very premise of JS restoring the gospel is false because the Gospel never ended in the first place and when JS tried to restore the gospel it looked absolutely nothing like what Jesus instituted on the day of pentecost.Look at their teaching of blacks being inferior to whites,or the book of Abraham,or the indians were of hebrew linage which has been proven absolutely false . The American Indians have the same DNA as the chinese and not hebrews. JS said he spoke reformed Egyptian,there is and never was any such thing.JS said the garden of eden was in Missouri and Missouri was where creation started and his craziness goes on and on and still millions of LDS can't connect the two dots.I guess brainwashing is pretty powerful.
Wow Garik. Thank you for sharing your story. I know it wasn’t easy to put yourself out here in such a vulnerable position. Even though I’m not LDS, i can relate to everything you’re saying and I’ve had my own struggles with men. I would love to talk to you more about this.
@@nanaadwoaofori7882 I typically don't like 'airing my laundry' on public posts as it makes you look like an incompetent bafoon, but as 'normality', behaviorally acceptances, and image is so paramount to the church... anyone outside of its 2 dimensions are either patronized and diminished with the church's idiotic platitudes (preached like absolutes) or cast out as being ungrateful (when the church leaders are really saving image with themselves and trying to high road a member when they don't have the answers and/or they can't get past their own wall of encumbance). Even if one concedes to live within the church's political defines of behaviors in a relation one would either need to divorce themselves and live in some odd stance of isolation in a relation - entertaining the notion of their peers; or to just be as shallow, 2dimensioned, and sheltered as them to believe one can only be saved. It's complete garbage. An antithesis to growing and living. I'm just more curious as to why Cara was so open, unless it is within her own personality and personal growth. In stricter orthodoxy of Mormonism... The environment is overly stifling, over controlled, and rigid. A woman to show her personality is seen as being childish, frivolous. A woman strong in her personality is seen more as an accessory or cause of rebellion. Even a woman with confidence is seen as contentious with her male counterpart, as she is reduced to follow in the confidence of her husband as a total baby maker. The status of following dogma and church behavioral dogma is nearly the only grace a woman can have place or to be somewhat heard. Women can be heard more, but only in the track and reinforcement of her own life influenced by her male peers. Usually a woman leader in the church is not a strong matriarch, and she's just a strong suckup, or in a strong fantasy of delusion with her own personal incompetence in superstition mirroring the esteem of her male peers/ leaders. Someone who is white can get off with more leniency to live a more liberal but still adherent life. Someone of color not fitting in LDS reality gets harassed more being fit into whatever whacked caste system is in play or the authoritative bastards take it out on the one you have favor in. It's a nightmare of idiot proportions. Someone who is white and sees the disparagement of prejudice often don't understand what's going on and so they join in, instigate the escalation, and default into the 'winning' side by default of authority. Church has most of their following of weak minded, low constitution betas. I believed that this church and society had grown out of their cave(I was a 6th gen in the church), but over the years of frustration, politics, and seeing their theories of right in play...they are still in the cave. The church claims that a woman is more free now, but that's total BS. She's only free in the shelter of mind she's provided by her society and the attention she is given... Like a caged animal only given freedom if she preforms from the strings that are pulling her. Had Cara been an adherent to the Orthodoxy of the faith, she would've been emotionally compelled to rat out her fiance and report him for being weak in priesthood/faith; sought for societal justice instigating weakness in her fiance to move up her social rung; or to take it upon herself to 'save' him / all the while perceive his weakness as a blemish or curse that she would need to bear. It may sound childish, but everyone is competing for their own societal status and the superiority of their status; to believe that is what spirituality and holiness is. It overall is just a very ugly ignorant-inducing, politically indoctrinated environment. There is no genuine sincerity, even that is overplayed or a ploy. As per LDS women, I have tried several times to break one out or to find a woman free from her entangled strings. The church just favors building women extremely weak with petty ego expectations, and with severe attachments to their strings. It's a mess too complex to get into - Simply put it's a system designed by fragile ego Men, and tortured pathetic or low IQ fringe Women. The over posturing to make up the conformity is entangled with years of complicating one's purpose, emotional balance, neglect, status, and personal gains attention. Individuals tend to be more indoctrinated to live in routines and habits, than they are to have a mastery over their own life and mind. My post would irritate an LDS member as being weak of faith, too rebellious against a leader, or too over critical. Just glad I was more inquisitive to study on the dynamics of other ethnic groups up front, to give me some sort of reference point to understand my own. As per staying in LDS, it was educational to watch and observe, but alot of it is a waste of sanity and time.
Once a Mormon leaves the church , where does one go to receive and obtain the truth , since the Mormons worship , the god of this world ,as well as a different Jesus, and strange "Spirit., Psalm 25:1-(14) Glory be to the true God, and through his only begotten Son Jesus The Christ . Amen
idk if you'll read this, but I would love to have someone's opinion on how to heal from going to church in corporate America. Everytime I want to post on LinkedIn I want to cry because I feel like I'm in the bishops office. thanks 🙏 😬
My girlfriend is Mormon I’m not at all and won’t ever, she doesn’t listen to me concerning the Bible and me being in ministry for 30 years, um should I walk away or keep trying praying for her to open her eyes to all the crazy beliefs?
Wisdom is to make a judgment and by doing so you exclude a less desirable decision. So the church is not perfectly inclusive. Does that make it a cult or show that it has standards
Interesting that it was AFTER and a result of the fall that God said man would rule over woman. That wasn’t the case in Eden . So not something to aim for.
I don't talk about Mormonism. I had Mormon neighbors. I studied Walter Martin's take in his book, "The Kingdom of the Cults." I know that Joseph Smith, his brother, and his Father, used hats to look into to divine knowledge: The future, where to drill a well, whatever. He later used the same trick coming up with the Book of Mormon. I suspect if you subjected it and other books to modern forensics, it would be proven to be plagiarized from the Bible. I know that Joseph Smith's story of the tribes of Israel coming to America by canoe matches perfectly to a fictional book published years before. Does anyone know the name of that book? Someone calculated the weight of the gold tablets Joseph Smith carried home, said they would have weighed about 350 pounds. I hear people talk about Mormonism as being a Christian denomination. Mormonism is no more Christian than the Muslim religion. A lot of Mormonism is about power, power over people, over outsiders, financial power to control. I heard recently-possibly from you-about a Masonic Right connection. (I never 7se the "Freemason" term, because the free masons are gone. They were eradicated from earth, the masonry guild that allowed them to travel freely throughout the Feudal Roman Empire, renamed the Holy Roman Empire, the Catholic Church. That too is a cult. They aren't even Christians, but Babylonian pagans. Even today, all our Internal Revenue taxes, not a dime spent on our country, the Vatican gets their cut first, then the City of London, the Illuminati state within a state presided over by Rothschild & Co. Finally the Mayflower gets what is left, the, "...oligarchy which will keep it friendly to (them)," as explained in Niccola Machiavelli's, "The Prince," Chapter 5 www.online-literature.com/machiavelli/prince/5/
For men who aren't a dominant personality type, it's a lot of pressure to feel like you're supposed to be the one in charge when you don't want to be the one in charge
Who tf doesn't want to be charge. If someone HAS to be in charge why would you prefer your woman to be in charge?
I see that.
@@sketos_d the ones who don't want to be in charge but because they are members and the priesthood
@@veptrix2776 how is that an "insecurity" lmao its hilarious how people be throwing the word insecurity towards others when they have nothing else to say... you don't know shit. Just because someone is in charge doesn't mean its "toxic controlling issues" and neither can you always be truly equal. That's just not a real thing.
And you don't believe that either. You don't even understand what being equal in all situations would mean in practice. So yea, unlike you I actually am thinking and I can back up my claims unlike you, who actually are the one talking "stupid shit"
@@veptrix2776 Im not basing my statements on personal experience. Im basing them on the status quo, which is in return based on a mix of statistics, studies, or stuff like basic biology or psychology. My personal experience is a bonus if anything.
And yes. People want to be in charge generally speaking, especially men. That's just a fact.
When your internalized misogyny cures your internalized misogyny.
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I never realized that people treated me differently as a single mom until my son left the church and pointed it out to me. I think we learn to ignore things that are obvious because we're too busy serving.
Some married women are so insecure they don't want their husbands associating with a divorcee in church.
@@scottbrandon6244 Yes, in my case, a woman wanted her hubby to stop being my home teacher bc we got along so well. Nothing inappropriate was going on, we just had a lot in common.
Are you a practicing lds member?
@@haroldcounts7460 Not any more, but I do let my visiting teacher come and visit with me so she can keep up and feel good about her stewardship.
Soooo true!
I hear a lot of people say (a) it's not a cult and (b) they like the culture. I don't think they realize that an insular culture that largely excludes outsiders is definitional of a cult.
Good thing I'm mormon and it doesnt discourage outsiders and so by definiti0n as you said isn't a cult
@@yaboyashton1426 My Mormon boss explained he liked to keep moving to new states or countries so his kids wouldn't establish friendships with non-Mormons during their childhood. It makes my skin crawl how insular Mormons are. BYU is their college of choice. No mixing there.
@@sleepycalico not all mormons are great people just like every group in the world but dont let one bad person make you decide about all of them because I am a mormon and in reality very few actually go to BYU. BYU actually only has like 20000 people in it correct me if I'm wrong but that's not much when your considering 15 million mormons
@@yaboyashton1426 Yes, of course there is a mix of people in every group. I'd be curious to know how many Mormons graduate from other universities vs those who don't go on to college at all.
Re the 15 million, most Mormons are lapsed. Only 2 - 4 million are practicing believers. The information age is proving more and more deadly to Mormonism.
Still, even if you accepted my 2-4 million figure, which I don't expect, the graduates from BYU and the Idaho campus, including not just current attendees, but all attendees since the schools were first established, would still be a small percentage against several million.
The way cults value education (or fear it) is fascinating to me. LDS gives its highest admiration to students who attend their private universities. At least, that's what I perceive. Jehovah's Witnesses actively discourage all college for their adherents, so very few go on to college and remain JWs. I can't even tell what is going on with Scientology. They isolate school children much earlier, so I can't even get college-specific information from Google.
I'm enjoying talking to you.
@@angryarmadillogaming7863 Ooof. "Largely excludes outsiders" does not equate to having NO friends outside the group. By "insular," I am saying Mormons don't take much interest in cultures, beliefs, and people outside of their own homogenous milieu. What I observe is closer to your phrase, "Just because people don’t go outside of the church...."
It's great that Mormon's invite others to join them, and, yes, they are very kind and welcoming. When my grandma was in her 90s, her Mormon neighbors kept checking in on her, and I would never doubt the good hearts. Kindness is a hallmark of Mormons.
On the flip side, when a member of one's own family leaves the church, ostracizing happens often enough that I would call it commonplace. That's a cult thing.
When missionaries go out to preach, they are kept in a highly controlled environment, told not to be separated from their companion except for using the bathroom, limited to what they can read, told not to watch TV and so on. That's a cult thing, keeping an iron grip on their experiences and their access to outside information.
And how many converts does a missionary generally make? A handful to none -- over two years of doing nothing BUT trying to convince people to join up. Almost all new members have to be born into the system and indoctrinated from birth for the beliefs to seem to make sense. And they have to spend a lifetime living with believers and staying away from widely available facts.
Yes, I know Mormons get good educations and that, of necessity, the majority of education is outside of the BYU system. My questions were about various percentages, and I know you would answer my questions if you could, or if I was clearer. I appreciate your efforts and your kindness. Best wishes.
This hit home for me! Growing up in the church I was taught to listen to my feelings as long as they were in line with the “whisperings of the spirit” and the direction of leadership. I ignored my own voice screaming in my head about the trauma I had been experiencing for years.
You poor little baby. What torture. Be a man, walk like a man, be a man. And quit crying.
…And I think this is why my husband doesn’t really care to listen to my reasons why I no longer believe. I am a woman, and therefore not somebody that he sees as an authority. 😕 In fact, he always felt like he was the one who knew more about the church than me (which was true… until now). 😂
"The Umbrella of Protection" is like, RIGHT around the corner, I can sense it
cringe. Not you, but him. He's cringe. And the fact that it sounds like you're still with him :/ Good luck
A husband that doesn’t care to listen doesn’t sound like a good partner so I feel for you. But maybe something will start to click with him as well. I wouldn’t put more than 500 days into it tho personally. It would break me. Think about all perspectives and make decisions that support your well-being.
⬆️ What they said. Seems like you don’t matter to him very much and maybe never did. As you watch these videos you will see couples who leave together-and that doesn’t always work out either, because they got married for the wrong reasons. If you have children with this man, he will demand they be raised in the cult. What then?
My removal from the christianity started at the same time that my mind was opened to feminism, particularly the realization that I had been brainwashed by my faith and society that feminism was just a bunch of angry women, when in reality it is just as much about women's rights as it is about protecting men from the toxicity of society, real feminism looks at traditional male roles and recognizes how harmful they are for all men.
Feminism 😂😂😂
What a lot of ppl don’t realize is that had the government not intervened (twice) regarding polygamy, the church would not have grown nearly as much & would’ve stayed in UT as a cult. They’d be like “that weird state” in the country.
Are they not?
Women in Christianity are taught from birth that men are more important. God doesn’t choose one child over another and neither should churches.
Certain religious people may say things like that but it in no way aligns with Christian doctrine.
@@pippaschroeder9660 might wanna read your Pauline epistles again. Few modern churches really go over that stuff, but Paul was all about telling the wimmen “shut up and cover your head in church”.
@@pippaschroeder9660 you’re joking, right? Tell me you’ve never read the bible without telling me you’ve never read the bible. 💀
@@sapphicalix show me one verse that says women are less then men.
@@sapphicalix i was confused about that too. Where did Paul say and do that?
this is what's so important about helping friends out of cult mentality. you HAVE to be able to stop, look at where their values and weaknesses lie, and appeal to *that* as best you can. yours was with your husband and your love/respect for him. for others, it's truth to God's word and honesty. for some, it's protecting children and being honorable. you just gotta play the game
I was definitely raised to have sympathy for men but not for women. . . . What a shame.
Really? I do not see that at all.
The whole “men are superior” bit was tough for me before I left. I have friends who are far smarter and more capable than their husbands, but yet they are discouraged from working outside of the home or ever questioning the choices that their husband makes.
I spent the first 15 years of my life in the church and my family decided to leave as my parents realized the true nature of the church. As I got older, especially as I entered young women’s, I started seeing basic flaws in the church’s logic and teachings and I also got really upset with the conservative standards put on young women and men. As I voiced my concerns to my parents, they started realizing the same things and more in the structure and ideology of the church and we eventually decided to leave and no longer attend the Mormon church. I am so glad that we have left because my days are much happier now that I don’t have to fit oppressive standards put on women. The rest of my relatives on both sides are still decidedly lds and I have started feeling bad for their young kids growing up in that environment and I want to help them in any way I can. I am so glad I was able to get out before I got too much older
I married a Mormon man. He hasn’t LEFT the church, but he is not active. I am not LDS and make a very bad Mormon woman. My husband works for me (literally) I never wanted or has children, and I don’t care about home. Just try to be a good person just be a good person, and it works for me. Hubby has joined my parade and we are now that annoying couple, all cutesy and together 24/7.
Hate when women hold each other down in reverence to Patriarchy.
Why? The Patriarchy is awesome.
@@Americansikkunt but your penis is small so, what patriarchy?
Huge lack of matriarchs. It's more interesting when there is a balance of both, you see a better layering on perspectives complimenting a better complex. With just one or the other, it's just too over positioned in one stance and that complexity is lost into over simplification.
@@Americansikkunt Well, at least your name is fitting.
@@zacheryeckard3051 My name is designed to trigger the true cultists.
Works like a charm.
I'm not Mormon but I've noticed myself doing the same thing for basically my whole life! I've been with my husband since I was 15 so we've grown up together, but it's only been like literally the last three years that I got a mind of my own! Lol
I am so thankful that my dad saw through the Mormon Church bullshit.
He grew up in the Church. Became an ordained youth minister. Never really practiced it to heart.
After he got married to my mom (a Southern Baptist), he started seeing things like you.
I am so thankful that I didn't get forced into the church as a kid like he did. He broke the cycle.
He still has his Book of Mormon. He tried to explain the religion to me but he rambles so much that I get lost in it. Too much going on.
I am glad you have made this channel, it's easier to understand what it was all about when I can pause and replay your videos.😂😅
I love my parents because neither one forced their own beliefs on me growing up.
I wouldn't call myself an atheist, I guess I'm more spiritual in the sense that I believe there is a God. Just I don't believe in some of the bibles that were written. I know my relationship with God. I don't need a book to tell me what it is and guilt trip me into paying tithes.
You should really read the bible, The New Living. It is very interesting, history as well as the WHOLE GOOD NEWS about just how much God loves us. I am talking the whole picture.
I was told to remove cursed objects from my home so in the bin they all went ...the late Derek Prince an English gentleman has wonderful books to learn from.. I discovered the last 7 yrs now I'm not fooled anymore into believing their cult is the only source of truth xxx
What started me was when my bishop did a Q&A for a youth activity. Two of the questions were about the racist implications of the "curse of Caine" and the priesthood ban on African American members. The curse part, I knew about but never really thought about. But that was the first time I heard about the priesthood ban.
So after that, I started looking closer at the actions of the Mormon church. Since this was around when they were protesting gay marriage rights and put that one rule about the homosexual parents, as well as being when I started to realize I was trans, my faith quickly faded.
I started to realize that even if the Book of Mormon was true, there was no way this church I was in truly knew and talked to God. Cause I was told my whole life that he was so loving, but here his supposed church was doing really hateful things in his name. I didn't even learn about all the BS in the Bible, Book of Mormon, and the history of Mormonism till half a decade after I left!
you can change your mind with new information 🐠🐟🐠 i love your sarcasm and your naked honesty. you are rare and wondrous. critical thinking and your level of honesty wouldn't have been something that was encouraged. i, too, am easy-lucky-free.
My grandparents were kicked out of the Mormon church in NE Arizona because my social worker grandma told several battered wives to leave their husbands. The excuse they used was catching my grandfather drinking wine at an Italian restaurant in town.
My dear friend who is very progressive converted to the church for her now ex husband at 21 or so. They married in the temple, wore the underwear, and everything.
He abused her and cheated on her and I suspect sabotaged her birth control to get her pregnant immediately after they got married. The church helped her with her deposits to get a new apartment and even helped her move out. They’ve been supportive of her so she’s leaned in. She has left to other LDS churches due to what leadership has said about queer people and vaccines. She speaks out when she hears social injustices in the church. I’m a life long atheist and I wish she was a pastor because she truly is so good. (She once told me Bernie Sanders didn’t stand up for trans people enough and wished he was more progressive.)
But like I still wish you’d come up in her feed to open her eyes.
I’m very open with her about my opinions on organized religion. We spoke about things like the City Creek Center in Salt Lake and she genuinely didn’t know how much wealth the LDS church controlled and how they gained it.
I just don’t want her to be abused by the church too when she is so so good.
The thing that really blows my mind, is that if the Mormonism that existed when Joseph Smith was leading it were Mormonism today, like exactly the way it was in JS time?,?,?, OMGosh!!!!! I don’t know anyone that would be running to join his group!!! The history is there, the facts are all there, so why are former Mormons mixed up, sad or whatever? The modern-day Mormon faith that I was raised in and that many were raised in is like being raised in is like a Walt Disney movie. It’s so lovely and so beautiful and so good because people from birth are trained to believe that we have to be involved in all these activities and be “Boy Scouted to adhere to endless servitude and rules to the point that we don’t even recognize the real world of simple Christianity at all!! According to Jesus, we are supposed to be in the world representing him the way he lived. He loved everyone. He hung out with the prostitutes and the drunks and the infirm and diseased, and loved them and taught them, no matter how much the Mormons say they do the same things they really don’t. They are in a unique, cookie cutter, perfectionistic world of their own, and when you’re raised in that yes, everything else looks ugly and weird until you realize that the sterile, Walt Disney World, that they’re all trying to live in again, it’s not the true world that Christ wants you to exist in. He is our savior our true example. He’s the only one. There is no other. He took all the sins of the world to save us. There’s nothing, repeat nothing we can do to earn favor with Christ, other than honoring him and praising him! We are zip unless we put HiM, not deeds first! The Mormon church mutated over and over again until it came to what it is today and it’s consistently changing with the wind in the ways of the world, not that some of those changes are a bad thing. No, they’re not bad what’s bad is that they keep thinking that they’re going to convince us that, they’re not following politics, but they totally are! They always have since after Joseph Smith. They have changed with the times. Christ changes not!! Thank you for your time. I have never felt so normal or so close to the Lord as I have since I left the LDS church. I feel so bad that, many people who leave have such a terrible time of it. Cling to Jesus, have faith, repent regularly, and trust in his powerhouse of simple love, and you will find your way. Much love & Merry Christmas.
Remember Disney always kills off the Mothers
VERY well said.
Have you discussed the women who stay to “change it from the inside?” CLP and other seemingly strong women?
Good luck with that.
As a 29 yo who has left the Christian church 3 years ago, I feel the same way about many topics and general "ideas" that the church has.
That's really sad. I'm glad you were able to muddle your way through until you found yourself.
My dad's mental health was pushed to the side not only because he was one of 8 kids, but also I've found that the church (at least the ward I went to with my grandma) was very opposed to helping with mental health and instead encouraged you to just pray and follow the teachings instead of get help. And on top of that, to this day my dad still hasn't broken the whole "You're a burden if you can't provide" mindset the church has instilled in him.
Plus- being a woman who isn't submissive to a man was VERY much frowned upon and was another reason I disliked the church when I got older and began to be more independent.
Recently the mental health thing has been discussed in general conference multiple times. The leaders of the church are encouraging people to take care of themselves.
@@flutenanyidk1806 Their past neglect of the topic caused a lot of tragedy within a lot of families I knew personally though, and probably countless more.
Same, except it was my wife (she is stunningly intelligent and can be very convincing) and Pentecostalism. Sometimes it takes that unconditional bond/trust between two true friends to lead each other out of the dark.
And what you begin to see from the outside, looking in is just... it feels absolutely mind boggling what you were blinded to before.
The toxicity !!! It's very telling !! Good for you that you turned it to something positive
Love your little “party tricks.” I believe comedians are expert observers of complex human behavior able to expose our individual foibles in entertaining ways which is why your channel is growing so fast. Keep us laughing and crying!
you have come a long way from little miss obedient to this self expression.
glad you started thinking for yourself.
I have been inactive for years, cause i knew something about the church wasnt quite right, also being the only memeber in my entire school district in chicago filled with non denominational christian, agnostics and lots of jewish kids, so my view of what religions was, was widespread and different than growing up in utah, i saw many ways to pray and different belief structures.
I think if there were a community of fun people, maybe things would be different but they aren't.
i am watching this special about the 19 kids and couting expose on amazon, and this IBJI group/cult, and while there is no association, i see a lot of similarities.
Reading the gospel topic essays started my awakening
American Exceptionalism (aka promised land) was the door that I first peaked into that lead me down the road.
Leaving Mormonism and leaving God are two different things.
🙄bro let it go. God is fake
That's true. Mormonism is a real thing you can leave. You can't leave an imaginary friend.
Reading the Bible as a kid was all I needed to not want to be a part of it.
It's a FASCINATING set of morality tales written by old men, and that's about it. ESPECIALLY since there are multiple books the church has decided to leave out...
@@Serene80 oh tell me exactly how they were left out and what books there are because I guarantee you just have two bits of information that you read somewhere or that somebody told you and they aren't factual at all.
Mormonism is a sex cult an evil sex cult just like Islam.
But Christ is real and it would behoove you to learn the history of Judeo Christendom.
I can tell you actually don't know anything about it based on your comment.
@@Serene80 and those books are crazy as hell like pits of dragons levels crazy
@Havel Thebonk Wouldn't know. They're not in the Great Big Book Of Morality Tales.
@@Serene80 then how do you know? How do you know what was left out? And by who? And when?
The absolute oppression of the strict gender roles placed on men in *most* fundamentalist faiths, to be sole providers, decision makers, spiritual leaders - the backbones of their families - while also being prohibited from expressing stress, weakness, or big emotions that can come with big responsibility... is one of many reasons that the sort of gender equality in our communities and gender equity and balanced work sharing in our domestic partnerships *should be* important to feminism in its purist form. Rigid and oppressive gender roles are so damaging and destructive to both men, women, families, and communities.
Absolutely. belle hooks (feminist) wrote an amazing book about this called The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity and Love. It’s very helpful for men and women alike
Thanks future great grand kids or great great grand kids or great great great grand kids for getting baptized for me in the temple after I'm dead so I can drink my coffee and fireballs and smoke my cigs and wacky tobacky wear my spaghetti strap tank tops and have my body piercings and tattoos and a lazy learner today, just so I can be sealed to the family chain and be the 130th wife to some old guy and have 8 billion spirit babies. Thanks so much cheers 🥂............
😂😂 that had me cackling
Why are we all not rallying together and force all churches to pay taxes
I bet the church is in cahoots of some sort so they don't have to
Why aren't we starting a religion to avoid taxes?
Right, it goes beyond Mormonism. People are more likely to trust "authority" figures in many parts of life. Like parents, spouses, bosses, good friends, preachers, and celebrities.
My timing is so great. I mean that I began listening to you, as I became more attracted to LDS.
Misogyny hurts men too
As an ex-mormon I finally realized that God doesn't give 2 shits about us and if he did he wouldn't have given us covid or any of the terrible things that have happened over history
Tell me about their reported support for their community members financially to put them back on their feet.
It makes me happy when families get out together ❤️. I always felt left out in my Catholic school (that I went to solely for the education) I wished I believed in God and Jesus, but I never did. I remember thinking from a very young age that Jesus was probably a crazy guy (not even in a mean way, just my logical thinking) bc they didn't know about schizophrenia and stuff back then. ... But now I'm so grateful for my analytical brain lol
You would be blown away if you knew how much the Lord loves you.
Have you looked into the Arizona London bridge? It was also dug up where it shouldn’t have been and had a whole lie started to cover up the truth.. a whole town has built itself up around the lie.
😂😂😂 Love your energy! I left years ago and woke up. ❤️❤️
Prayers
He is so bless to have you - you are the reason why I not I. The church no more - but I still love all my sister angels and brothers
Sometimes you need to learn to follow before you lead. I think you have done this with exemplary ability.
I left 3 months after my baptism. Total waste of my time.
Youre so lucky to have left the church and still ended up with a happy family. Most woman who leave keep going back because the world they were brought up in to be a “woman” in , does not value the same things Mormons value and the family model is near unattainable to the expectation of a Mormon woman without marrying another Mormon. Believe it or not, you have a happy life today because you were Mormon yesterday. You just happen to lead a lucky path. Good for you 👍👍
Never get tired of doing good. For in do time you will reap a harvest. You are doing a good thing. God bless you!
Free will, ready go! Commence in the party trick, I want to see this.
Great point.. love your channel
Your doing a very good thing... I applaud you.
Well when i first prayed about the book of mormon years ago soon after i had a dream and the being in the dream who i believed was from god pointed to not only the bible but to the book of mormon also and said it was the same....
I grew up RLDS. The community and family building aspects.
Thank you for your honesty and love for the truth. I haven't followed you very long, but leaving Cults often means broken relationships and a loss of structures you're used to. But you loved the truth enough to leave something you knew was a lie. That is a beautiful thing.
What anties don't seem to realize is that we are here on this earth to be tested and prove our commitment to improving our spirituality. Some people can't handle that, feeling that it is easier and more fun to live the ways of the world, so they give up and give in to their fallen nature and turn their back on what has been put on earth, by God to help them. Then they try to encourage others to do the same to try to justify their choices Call it devil missionary work. Misery loves company. Choices have consequences.
good on you for being honest that you didn't see the light on your own.
Why is it the teachings tell us we are monotheistic when in fact, we are polytheistic? If when we die, we can become gods of this planet, and other people have been elevated to be gods of their planets, doesn’t that mean there are multiple gods?
What exactly did this deconstruct in Mormonism
Lol
It's not so much a deconstruction as an appeal to a different perspective.
Ex evangelical here. My husband deconverted too. Pretty similar progression of events!
You go girl.
Talk sex ed (or lack thereof) given to church members especially in Utah schools
It's heartbreaking when I see otherwise highly intelligent people get sucked into these high demand/cult "religions". How the hell does this happen??
Super interesting to hear about
i still get death threats. for leaving
HAH! HAH!
Yeah it really depends on the couple. I know the men are supposed to be in charge... but I promise you I'm dominant.
As an exmo, I often feel like I SHOULD know how to deconstruct it better, but I never really understood the doctrine very well in the first place so idk how to deconstruct it if I don’t even know what it looks like yaknow? It’s SUPER impressive to see you have complete and utter expertise with this, and it makes me happy
You’re a genius and I’m so grateful for your ticktocks they make me feel less insane and so validated! I never agreed to get baptized but I was stuck in the cult for quite some time🤐
IDK why the algorithm keeps giving me (someone who is not and has never been mormon) ex-mormon content so consistently but I hope you and your family are doing well now cause dang this stuff is wild
Been binging your content the last few days because the algorithm gets me, apparently. What's with the Australian flag in the background?
This..this one…this one right here. Like a big ‘ol brick to the head.
Whelp, he's VERY fortunate to have you, No joke.
Not all guys are lucky to have a gal listen to them especially in a relationship and keep things comparatively respectful. I've seen staunch devoted Women listen in to their Man or BF and then turn it around to destroy their life for weak faith or use their vulnerability as an emotional hook/ or emotional hold over to entrap them into a sort of Salvation Projector or relational blackmail.
(The Woman would hold his secrets over his head to get the relation as to how they want it and completely destroy the Guy's will and confidence in life)
I myself have been petrified to find a Gal from the faith, even to have some similar cultural parallel to relate to.
Mormon/LDS Gals often go beyond that personal boundary (because Mormonism/LDS doesn't teach boundaries nor do they support the understanding boundaries). The common behavior for LDS Gals is to rummage in areas that they shouldn't/ don't have consent and they believe they are the qualified individual to 'Save' someone when often they have no business getting involved or tampering with very sensitive things.
That usually occurs if the Guy doesn't pass their extensive mile long worthy 'list', or the Gal likes the Guy, but believes that she is the holy one to 'hollow and scrape' out a guys sanity and life and re-decorate it into their ideal model of worthy and holy.
If it's not that then they are going back to their parents and either exaggerating Gossip to gain a sense of self importance through torturing their Guy through harmful/gossip channels to exploit him and his life further, or that Gal is getting domineering tips from their emotionally harmful parents to dig into someone or to sideline the Guy and dig into his self worth even further, and to eventually turn him over to Leadership when the Gal or her family is done with him so they can win Leader favor for their emotional extortion or go up a rung in their social community.
Depending on the Area in Utah County/ SLC some LDS parents even teach their daughter to marry into the social stature or money.
-If she ever gets dissatisfied, she can always take 50% of all his assets and finances. I've seen a lot of gentle/meek guys work their damnedest to create a financial pool to start a family, then the gal screws them over or only staid in the relationship until they cashed out. That sort of thing destroys guys lives and their whole grasp on reality/sanity.
-If there is little money, but the guy is of High stature. She can claim off her dissatisfaction in consensual coitus to claim he r*ped her and blackmail him or to get some sort of exchange on her parents part + save her own face from being lowered in her purity-perfection community.
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She can turn the relationship into a power scheme to win more stature/power for her family, or for herself on social media- blowing everything out of proportion while the guy who's naïve and inexperienced is helpless, outcast by his circle and lost when he's just a young inexperienced RM.
From my own experience... (1st Gal close with) Was there for the meal ticket, (2nd Gal close with) was a subversive gold digger/ 2 faced Emotional Sadist, (3rd Gal) Saw me as her Save Project and was very emotionally arrogant with her self-righteousness/made a mess of life exposing things to her circle. No reciprocity whatsoever, she just inserted herself in people's life like a statement of 'right'. She had a very sheltered way of life with no adventure, just church. (4th Gal) Wanted to have a white baby (5th Gal ) Wanted to have a white baby (6th Gal) Her community almost killed her because she was dating someone Non-white (She was literally stalked, she and her family received death threats). All the while when I was active, I took everything personally on the measure of my own spirituality, felt cursed, and went through near Kidney Failure (a part of Anorexia and Mission -radiation water long term effect) + Anorexia. Got over it after self-destructive behavior, self re-invention, done with dating LDS Women. Was a dream once upon a time ago when I was younger, but a save on sanity + low drama life is more important. Besides don't have to cater to 'pulling teeth' to do something fun or go on an adventure.
The Xenophobic dissatisfaction of quite a few LDS Men/Women are ridiculous (Yes these are adults). They don't want to go to Pow-wows, cultural explorations, anywhere that isn't LDS intensive. They sit in the car and brood or complain like a grump and try to ruin your day. Camping can even be just as bad. They love talking smack about other cultures/ be in some superiority binge to reaffirm their self righteousness.
You need to examine the misogyny you were taught by the church.
This is the longest most untrue comment I've ever heard in my entire life, like noone wants to read your essays
Let me tell you something about how God operates.No where in the bible can you fine one example where God allowed a church,bishop,teacher or anyone else to decide who can be saved or who will be lost.Salvation is between you and Jesus.About all religions including the LDS use threats like were the true church and our church is all god will accept or if you give up on our truth you will GO TO HELL. Its a ploy to keep you in the loop so they can use you and your money and time. Jesus was saving long before the LDS was thought of and he doesn't need them to save your eternal soul.The very premise of JS restoring the gospel is false because the Gospel never ended in the first place and when JS tried to restore the gospel it looked absolutely nothing like what Jesus instituted on the day of pentecost.Look at their teaching of blacks being inferior to whites,or the book of Abraham,or the indians were of hebrew linage which has been proven absolutely false . The American Indians have the same DNA as the chinese and not hebrews. JS said he spoke reformed Egyptian,there is and never was any such thing.JS said the garden of eden was in Missouri and Missouri was where creation started and his craziness goes on and on and still millions of LDS can't connect the two dots.I guess brainwashing is pretty powerful.
Wow Garik. Thank you for sharing your story. I know it wasn’t easy to put yourself out here in such a vulnerable position. Even though I’m not LDS, i can relate to everything you’re saying and I’ve had my own struggles with men. I would love to talk to you more about this.
@@nanaadwoaofori7882 I typically don't like 'airing my laundry' on public posts as it makes you look like an incompetent bafoon, but as 'normality', behaviorally acceptances, and image is so paramount to the church... anyone outside of its 2 dimensions are either patronized and diminished with the church's idiotic platitudes (preached like absolutes) or cast out as being ungrateful (when the church leaders are really saving image with themselves and trying to high road a member when they don't have the answers and/or they can't get past their own wall of encumbance). Even if one concedes to live within the church's political defines of behaviors in a relation one would either need to divorce themselves and live in some odd stance of isolation in a relation - entertaining the notion of their peers; or to just be as shallow, 2dimensioned, and sheltered as them to believe one can only be saved. It's complete garbage. An antithesis to growing and living.
I'm just more curious as to why Cara was so open, unless it is within her own personality and personal growth.
In stricter orthodoxy of Mormonism...
The environment is overly stifling, over controlled, and rigid.
A woman to show her personality is seen as being childish, frivolous. A woman strong in her personality is seen more as an accessory or cause of rebellion. Even a woman with confidence is seen as contentious with her male counterpart, as she is reduced to follow in the confidence of her husband as a total baby maker.
The status of following dogma and church behavioral dogma is nearly the only grace a woman can have place or to be somewhat heard. Women can be heard more, but only in the track and reinforcement of her own life influenced by her male peers. Usually a woman leader in the church is not a strong matriarch, and she's just a strong suckup, or in a strong fantasy of delusion with her own personal incompetence in superstition mirroring the esteem of her male peers/ leaders.
Someone who is white can get off with more leniency to live a more liberal but still adherent life. Someone of color not fitting in LDS reality gets harassed more being fit into whatever whacked caste system is in play or the authoritative bastards take it out on the one you have favor in. It's a nightmare of idiot proportions. Someone who is white and sees the disparagement of prejudice often don't understand what's going on and so they join in, instigate the escalation, and default into the 'winning' side by default of authority. Church has most of their following of weak minded, low constitution betas.
I believed that this church and society had grown out of their cave(I was a 6th gen in the church), but over the years of frustration, politics, and seeing their theories of right in play...they are still in the cave.
The church claims that a woman is more free now, but that's total BS. She's only free in the shelter of mind she's provided by her society and the attention she is given... Like a caged animal only given freedom if she preforms from the strings that are pulling her.
Had Cara been an adherent to the Orthodoxy of the faith, she would've been emotionally compelled to rat out her fiance and report him for being weak in priesthood/faith; sought for societal justice instigating weakness in her fiance to move up her social rung; or to take it upon herself to 'save' him / all the while perceive his weakness as a blemish or curse that she would need to bear. It may sound childish, but everyone is competing for their own societal status and the superiority of their status; to believe that is what spirituality and holiness is. It overall is just a very ugly ignorant-inducing, politically indoctrinated environment. There is no genuine sincerity, even that is overplayed or a ploy.
As per LDS women, I have tried several times to break one out or to find a woman free from her entangled strings. The church just favors building women extremely weak with petty ego expectations, and with severe attachments to their strings. It's a mess too complex to get into - Simply put it's a system designed by fragile ego Men, and tortured pathetic or low IQ fringe Women.
The over posturing to make up the conformity is entangled with years of complicating one's purpose, emotional balance, neglect, status, and personal gains attention. Individuals tend to be more indoctrinated to live in routines and habits, than they are to have a mastery over their own life and mind.
My post would irritate an LDS member as being weak of faith, too rebellious against a leader, or too over critical.
Just glad I was more inquisitive to study on the dynamics of other ethnic groups up front, to give me some sort of reference point to understand my own. As per staying in LDS, it was educational to watch and observe, but alot of it is a waste of sanity and time.
What about faster offerings?
I like her videos does anyone know if she left for biblical Christianity or what she believes now?
Once a Mormon leaves the church , where does one go to receive and obtain the truth , since the Mormons worship , the god of this world ,as well as a different Jesus, and strange "Spirit.,
Psalm 25:1-(14)
Glory be to the true God, and through his only begotten Son Jesus The Christ . Amen
please stop hating on our church keep your opinions to yourself
She is the opposite, she cares for you. Research hidden if need be and find out for yourself
MODESTY
Agree with you 😊
Magic underwear!
idk if you'll read this, but I would love to have someone's opinion on how to heal from going to church in corporate America. Everytime I want to post on LinkedIn I want to cry because I feel like I'm in the bishops office. thanks 🙏 😬
Still married...damn
it says in the bible wives submit to your husband and while i don't agree with it 100% it's what god said and you don't argue with god
That’s really interesting, I’m glad you were able to get away. I’m curious does anyone know if she’s still with that husband?
My girlfriend is Mormon I’m not at all and won’t ever, she doesn’t listen to me concerning the Bible and me being in ministry for 30 years, um should I walk away or keep trying praying for her to open her eyes to all the crazy beliefs?
Why are you dating outside of your church in the first place?
@@user-qm2li8zx2d because I don’t date girls inside my church it’s to small.
so glad i left
Wisdom is to make a judgment and by doing so you exclude a less desirable decision. So the church is not perfectly inclusive. Does that make it a cult or show that it has standards
Ex Mormons can only deconstruct from Mormonisn unfortunately 😅
Interesting that it was AFTER and a result of the fall that God said man would rule over woman. That wasn’t the case in Eden . So not something to aim for.
ie. God saying it would happen wasn’t God saying that’s what He wants to happen for eternity! The opposite
I don't talk about Mormonism. I had Mormon neighbors. I studied Walter Martin's take in his book, "The Kingdom of the Cults." I know that Joseph Smith, his brother, and his Father, used hats to look into to divine knowledge: The future, where to drill a well, whatever. He later used the same trick coming up with the Book of Mormon. I suspect if you subjected it and other books to modern forensics, it would be proven to be plagiarized from the Bible.
I know that Joseph Smith's story of the tribes of Israel coming to America by canoe matches perfectly to a fictional book published years before. Does anyone know the name of that book?
Someone calculated the weight of the gold tablets Joseph Smith carried home, said they would have weighed about 350 pounds.
I hear people talk about Mormonism as being a Christian denomination. Mormonism is no more Christian than the Muslim religion. A lot of Mormonism is about power, power over people, over outsiders, financial power to control.
I heard recently-possibly from you-about a Masonic Right connection. (I never 7se the "Freemason" term, because the free masons are gone. They were eradicated from earth, the masonry guild that allowed them to travel freely throughout the Feudal Roman Empire, renamed the Holy Roman Empire, the Catholic Church. That too is a cult. They aren't even Christians, but Babylonian pagans.
Even today, all our Internal Revenue taxes, not a dime spent on our country, the Vatican gets their cut first, then the City of London, the Illuminati state within a state presided over by Rothschild & Co.
Finally the Mayflower gets what is left, the,
"...oligarchy which will keep it friendly to (them)," as explained in Niccola Machiavelli's,
"The Prince," Chapter 5
www.online-literature.com/machiavelli/prince/5/
Unrelated, but I love your necklace
My husband is my equal partner.
You can deconstruct me any time 😍🥰😘
Might as well have left. Since he left he won’t be able to call you out of the grave
No …. Explain to me why Jesus would lie to me?? …. why would he force these tests upon me???? … Why does He want women. With intellect to die??
You're so pretty.
Oh repentance trauma
I would love to be this ladies friend.
I would love to talk to you ! You are so insightful and helpful