The Plus Mullet Experiment - Getting experiMENTAL with my Banshee Paradox V3
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- It's mullet time. I've ridden a handful of mullets in my day (my first mullet bike was in 2000), but today we're getting experimental with my banshee paradox v3. I love this bike and I'm very familiar with it. Today we shake it up with a 27.5x2.6 rear tire (atomik carbon chubby with berd spokes) and a 29x2.6 front tire (Hunt endurowide). Have you ridden a mullet setup before? Where did you think it shined best? Was there anywhere it didn't do great?
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CORRECTION AND GEO CHANGES
As josh lee so kindly pointed out below, i misspoke in this video. Ive known it for years, but i got it wrong on this video.
For every 20mm of atc you add, you skacken the hta by 1* (not 0.5* like i accidentally said in the video). The data eill also get slacker.
The wheelbase will increase slightly, and the stack will rise. The reach will also get slightly shorter.
Thanks again josh for catching that.
lack-of-knob-clearance sound is the new free-hub sound
Good to see someone who isn’t afraid to “massage” stuff to make it work. 👍
Right? You know what they say, if it doesn’t fit, force it! Haha
Right? You know what they say, if it doesn’t fit, force it! Haha
You totally need a mad scientist outfit when doing this stuff. Lab coat, Einstein wig, safety goggles, fog machine, etc.
Yes!!!! Dual plus tired mullet is definitely a dream of mine. Do you have a mullet wig you can wear in the test video?!
It'll keep you from getting sunburned too, so you can replace the lightweight hoodie with your own hair!! 😂...... Win win!
Bring on the mullon wig out back!...hahahaha
I really like the mullet setup especially being short. That 29 on the front just gives me more confidence.
Yes! Awesome to see monster meats massaged into fitting the front and most important, those monster Mitutoyo calipers! Video is full of absolute units! #monstermeasurements
That was great to see!
The size of your calipers make me question my manhood (as a mechanic)... I am mildly concerned about the possibility of a “balloon effect” of the tire on the arch under compression. Try a big hit on a soft lawn first. Then keep the great content coming!
Great point about the balloon effect. I assume the top of the tire will be at max psi at all times while weighted.
Experimental! It's a good day.
I did a similar video where I tested 27.5x4” front with 29x3” rear. Super fun. Can’t wait to see how your test goes, I bet you’ll feel like you can plow through anything, but still have a playful feeling from the smaller rear wheel.
I'm curious about 29x3 front, 27.5x3 rear...
Crazy timing, just switched my Banshee Paradox to a mullet this past weekend. 29x2.5 Assegai by 27.5x2.8 Rocket Ron. Couldn't fit a 27.5x3.0 on a 40mm ID wheel in the rear on this bike the 2.8 hardly clears for me. So far loving the setup, I had a 27.5x3.0 Dirt Wizard on before so it's definitely rolling easier now. The higher BB is welcomed since the paradox sits so low already.
My Krampus is set up like this. My favorite bike, still nothing has knocked it off the thrown. Dream for a Ti version of it.
I miss my krampus. I want a mullet plus krampus with slightly more modern geo numbers and the short chain stays. And a pike.
I've been taking 26er hardtails and building 27.5/26er mullets and they're crazy playful 😎🤙
My first mullet was in 2000. Azonic ds-1 with a 150mm bomber z1 cr. 26" front wheel, 24" rear with a nokia galazoddi 24x3.0 rear tire. It was awesome.
I still love your paint job on the Paradox!
Me too....mine is still yellow but I want to paint it now because of his bike🔥🇺🇲
I am running a plus in the front and a 2.6 27.5 wheel in the back of my giant trance advanced, and it is absolutely incredible
That is almost exactly how my Paradox is set up. 29x3.0 XR4 front with 27.5x2.8 Nobby Nic's in the back. Both on 40mm internal width wheels. On my MKI Helm coil I had to remove a lot of material from the bridge. Like a lot of material, I really would not worry about the little bit Steve took out. Mine has held up fine for the last year. It will rub the crown slightly on a hard bottom out but not enough to cause a problem. Shaving the tire down or adding a 2 or 3mm shim to the bottom out bumper would probably be a good idea long term. Love the content. Keep up the good work.
Should be a great ride looking forward to the review. My hardtail setup....27.5x3" rear 29x2.8" front. Love it!
Learned about bottoming out a front shock the hard way in 89/90?'. Completely forgot about that wreck, buried it in the attics of my brain. Thanks for the memory, Cheers.
I am running mullet 27.5x2.8 rear 29x2.6 front on my eccentric cromo. I love this setup as it really smooths out the trails.
🤯🤯🤯 wow business up front and party in the back!!! Can’t wait to see how you make out on the trails!!! 👍👍
Love this type of content
This is the guy I go to for bike advice. FML.
awesome thank you for posting this! i've been undertaking a similar exercise on my Big Honzo ST. Going the other way though experiementing with 27.5 x 2.6 instead of my 29 x 2.35 eliminators and the 27.5 x 2.8 ardents. i came up with similar differences in tire height, really only losing about .5 inches in bb height going to the 2.6's but need to do some more testing. swapped into some 165mm cranks to help out too!
Looking forward to the review! Also, in the video you said that every 20mm of A2C would decrease the HA by 0.5 degrees. I thought a change of 10mm would cause a change of 0.5 degrees in HA.
You are100% correct, thank you for pointing that out. I totally misspoke. I knew that, too.
Love the tire lug spin noise at the end! Loll
haha.. well this is gonna make a fun ride review video! can't wait for the follow up
Your mad experiments are so great! 🤘
Oh boy, that rubbing is sketchy sounding off the trails. I did the same to fit a tire too big for the rear. My bike still has that brake bridge in the frame design, though it's not used for that at all. I've seen others just cut it off, but I'm not that experiMENTAL yet. I did, however, take a file to it and give myself a couple of millimeters of clearance. Only time I notice it is when I go through mud which isn't too common in Southern California, fortunately.
I have a steel Honzo with 27.5- 2.8 carbon chris king rear, and a scrapper i45 with 29 x 3.0 on I9 front. Singlespeed of course. fun, fun, fun
That sounds awesome.
You're gonna love it.
Ok, but what about riding a mullet with a mullet haircut? We need to see if the effects compound or this test is invalid.
Throw more 80's-style music in there for the lolz...hehehe \m/ \m/
Had to bust out those massive calipers again, I love it! So running mullet+ now, can't say I've ever seen that. Pretty cool, but I'll stick with 29+. Can't wait to hear your review on this and those ICAN wheels and Bontrager tires. Have a feeling you'll get a lot of front tire buzz once on the trail. You might have already changed the fork.
Wow, didn't expect the sand paper.
The bad part of running the tire so close to the ark is when the pebbles stick to the tires the ark will rake them off and spit them up in your face
Yes! BTW dude that new Canyon Stoic seems like they made it for you..... just no sliding drop outs...
I just wish they could get one to me for review.
I guess your a 6 feet tall guy. That 29er plus tire is huge but it looks like a 26er to you
I wish! I'm 5'6"
i think you'll love it! but then again ... probably not in all situations.
I love this channel so much! I just put my new 27.5 wheel together last night for my own mullet test!!
....mine is JUST like yours....except with a really crappy frame...and really crappy components....and a really crappy rider.... 😂 😂 😂
Hey, love your videos. A quick question though.
Any quick thoughts on turning an old 26er into a mullet by swaping the fork for a 27.5 or a 29 one and the corresponding wheel? I know it would mess up the geo seriously, but what would you expect it to be like? Too gnarly? Too short reach?
How will a mullet hardtail (front 29er and Rear 27.5 ) will perform in city road.
Steve why not shave the knobs on the front tire just a bit?
Where do you get those calipers? I didn't see it in your links. :)
I have a 29er Hardtail and also want to try mullet. But how is it for the steertube when the headangel changes. How are the forces with the mullet setup? or arent there any problems with that?
Hello, loved it! New to MTB, but was interested in different setups. I think I would like experimenting as well. What size frame is your Banshee?
Oooooo I've always been curious about a plus mullet. Although I'm personally more interested in a plus rear and standard trail width front, but I've always thought that the wider tires would add to the mullet idea.
I always prefer more traction up front vs in the rear, so i don't like running a narrower tire up front.
With motorcycles it's different since they steer with the rear as much as with the front.
@@hardtailparty For sure, moto is also a much more climbing focused sport whereas mtb is all about the downs. For me plus tire traction on the front is more than I need except in the deepest sand or snow. However I've always been curious about the added cushion of plus in the rear on-top of the possible ability to spin out less on climbs. I also like a snappy light steering feel.
Alternatively I've been meaning to experiment with wildly varying rim widths front and rear. With the same tire a wider rear rim would change the contact patch, tire profile and even the volume slightly without the downsides of a plus tire.
You are crazy... and I love it.
:)
To maintain the geometry and to mitigate the effects of feeling like the rear is sagging too much, I'd be more inclined to keep the 29x2.3 up front. Only a 16mm difference in height between that and the 27.5+. Haven't tried this but it'd be interesting to hear your analysis.
I'm actually most interested in the geo change to see what it does better. I don't like running a high grip 3.0 rear with a narrow 2.3. i imagine that will just lead to more wash-outs. I prefer my front tire to have more grip than my rear.
@@hardtailparty I think part of the problem with MTB tire sizing is that we purchase based on width. In motocross, we see the width and sidewall aspect ratio.
If we could get a standard size mtb tire (like a 2.4) with a very tall sidewall, we might get just as good bump absorption as with a plus tire. Other considerations like sidewall stiffness become more important, but for an aggressive hardtail where we need more suspension from our tires it could be a hit.
Imagine a 29x2.4 front, but a 27.5x2.4 rear that has an outer diameter equal or almost equal to the 29er front. No geo change if you don't want it, improved bump compliance, but potentially slightly sluggish pedaling, and maybe too much rollover in the corners. The latter depends on sidewall construction.
@@hardtailparty what if you choose a super aggressive front and mediocre/average grip rear in these sizes? Might overall grip feel balanced out?
69er...26er rear!
Naw, but my actual plan was a mullet for when I get a banshee paradox v3
I’m wondering when under pressure (ie bottoming out the fork) will the tire diameter increase slightly on the opposite side of where the tire contacts the ground (fork arch area)? Similarly,I have pumped up my maxxis 2.8 from 13 psi to say 23 psi, and noticed the sidewall and corner lugs width grows slightly, but didn’t think about checking the overall tire diameter increases.
What are your thoughts on a 29x2.3 up front and a 27.5+ rear?
I'm not a fan but some people are. I prefer more traction up front than in the back.
May just have a rock wedge itself in the front tire and arc make you go otb...ride safe!
Or maybe it'll seld-cleaerance!
I'm running my banshee with 2.8 front and rear but I really wanted to put a 29er up front in plus mode very curious to see what you think I love it in 2.8 275 but you're right the front end does get stuck in deep holes more than my 29er
I think you'll like it, but will wish bikes were specifically made to do this setup
i wouldnt be afraid to sand the middle knobs down just a bit on the front tire verses removing more material from the fork arch easy to do real quick with an angle grinder and a flap disc sanding wheel. Just dont do it in the house because burning rubber stinks !!
How you measure axle to crown, I just buy a marzocchi z1 150mm 29er the info page say it's 560 axle to crown but I measure and is 570 the rock shox 35 at 130 is around 542 so how much change should I see in geometry?
Da banshee!! 🔥 🔥 😎🤘👊
i had 29x3.0 front,27.5x3.0 rear on my Banshee phantom it was a sweet setup. i might run it on my New RSD wildcat. a 29x3.0 minion fit great in my lyrik
RockShox has been making 29x3.0 compatible forks for a few years now, i love that.
@@hardtailparty i love my lyrik, it is so much better than the Manitou magnum i was running a 29x3 in! imagine 180mm of travel with a 29x3!!!
Have you heard of anyone doing a fatbike mullet with 27.5 front 26 rear? Almost tempted to to this with the RM Blizzard. Probably 3.8 front and rear...
I haven't, but it sounds like a fun experiment. I'd really like to experiment with fatbikes more. Nobody is making a slack fatbikes with a short cs. I think a 26" rear tire or even a 24" rear tire might be required for the short chainstay I'm hoping for..
@@hardtailparty I'd be curious to see how slack fatbikes get. The 2021 Blizzard is 66HTA which is quite slack at least by FB standards, ya? Not sure about the CS length. Presumably someone could fit it with an angled headset to put it to 64HTA etc...
I feel like it would fit with no rub on 2.8s
I sure would like to try a normal 27,5+ or 29+ and a mullet+
a MASSIVE 27,5+ has to wait till i have a Ragley Mmmbop frame next year as my frame barely fits a Minion 2,4. I hope they will change the geometry a bit with like you said on the big al with a steeper seatangle and i hope maybe a little lower bb. Not sure i would like a 29er more i would have to test ride a big al to know.
But damn would i love to put berd spokes on the wheelset for the next bike! I wish they would be a bit cheaper. 500bucks for a full set of spokes is a bit much.
I should probably ask around to test ride a set on the next bike. My current one doesn't have a boost rear end.
I also got a question.. A the moment i have 31,8mm aluminum bars. Thinking about changing to 35mm level nine carbon bars later this year but a friend told me that carbon bars are a bit dangerous as he broke a couple carbon bars. He is also a lot taller and 30kg heavier than me tho. I just want to go carbon because of the vibration damping. Should i worrie about bars braking when shredding my bike real hard?
I spy some canfield cranks, what length are you running. I think you and I are extremely similar in size and background. 5’6” short legs, long torso. Former bmx racer, shop owner and race mechanic turned stay at home dad.
I'm experimenting with different lengths. Crank length video coming in the future.
@@hardtailparty forgot to mention I’m currently “down biking” from a pivot Firebird 29 back to a hardtail. I miss the simplicity and the challenge. Love the channel.
@@jamiseclipse Welcome, this is the right place for you. I know what you mean about being overbiked everywhere.
@@hardtailparty I wanted to let you know, I just ordered my RSD Middlechild steel and told Alex about how awesome your channel is and the influence it had on my purchase decision. Now I just need to find a fork 130 or 140 for 29". Guess I need to watch more of your videos. :)
@@jamiseclipse congrats, such a great bike! Either fork size works well on that bike.
I was about to say what fork are you running that has clearance for 29x3.0
RockShox forks have clearance for 29x3.0. some fox forks do as well, but not all.
@@hardtailparty that does sound like a party I am a fan of 27.5 plus can't wait to see the follow up
switch the fork...
I want to go 2.0 on my front and 2.3 on the rear keeping the full 29er wheel size , have you or anyone else gone thinner in front ?
Thinner on front usually means your front wheel breaks loose before your rear when cornering.
@@hardtailparty Doesn't the rear take most the weight ? Front being lighter shouldn't that be more directional less technical ?
@@killjoy8914 see my modern technique video. The reason brake rotors are bigger in the front than the back is because of how important the front wheel is for weight and traction and stopping power
@@hardtailparty 650b x1.95/2.0 is hard to find for an experiment with a 29x2.3 dollars lives matter.
How will it fit an USD fork like the Intend? With no crown it might run smooth ?
Depends on the fork I suppose. I have an usd fork coming in soon to test that exact scenario.
Is that a 29 helm or 27.5"?
29
Would doing that to the fork void the warranty?
In going to go out on a limb and say yes.
@@hardtailparty oof
Goatee didn’t make it eh? It’s ok, mine never do either... #wifelife
Looking forward to the review 😁
Steve did you delete my previous comment? I thought it would have been useful to you and your audience.
Sometimes youtube flags comments and i have to approve them one by one, and other times I delete comments that aren't family friendly. What was your previous comment?
@@hardtailparty Well first I said awesome video! And then I left a link to a website I just launched. I like to do these sorts of experiments with my bikes too, so I built a geo calculator that allows for wheel size changes, anglesets, axle to crown changes and some other stuff. I thought it would be right up your alley. I'm not trying to spam it, I have nothing to gain, just thought you might find it useful. I've been following your channel under my personal name for quite awhile. I won't post the link in this comment in case that was the issue with UA-cam flagging it. I'll post another comment with the link if you're interested.
Ah, UA-cam flags it when there's a link in it.
Listen if you can't do the haircut don't do the bike. Plus you have to have old high school ID showing that you sported a mullet once.
Trip to the ER
How you measure axle to crown, I just buy a marzocchi z1 150mm 29er the info page say it's 560 axle to crown but I measure and is 570 the rock shox 35 at 130 is around 542 so how much change should I see in geometry?
For every 20mm of atc you increase, your head angle gets slacker by 1*
hardtail party thank Steve but how exactly you measure the ATC?
@@pepeanza6187 measure the distance from the center of the axle to the botom of the crown
I’m disappointed every time I see you post a new video and it isn’t the review of the timberjack. Based on your opinions and expertise I’ve ordered a chameleon for my wife and I have a timberjack on the way for me.
I have a lot of products in for review. Bike consultation patrons always get my opinions about bikes I've ridden before the video goes live.
I totally get that. Im just super excited for that video. Keep up the good work your videos are great