What Could Have Been: Tim Burton's Superman Lives
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2024
- Taking a look at what Tim Burton's Superman Lives starring Nic Cage would have been like had the project not been cancelled.
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0:00 Intro
1:06 The Death of Superman
1:42 Superman Reborn
2:32 Kevin Smith
3:06 Jon Peters
4:54 Jon Peters' Directives
6:42 Kevin Smith’s Script
8:06 Nicolas Cage
10:01 The Cast
10:36 Rewrites
12:41 Superman Lives Canceled
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Next you should do Henry selick Monkeybone/darktown
Kevin Smith’s script would’ve been great I feel like. It really was meant for animated form. I hope one day it gets adapted.
Thank God they didn't make a Superman with Nicholas Cage, he's a good actor, but no Superman actor.
i hope superman turn to public domain
lookvokay man but stop@@docbrown6550
I love how a middle age woman at the comic book store is explaining the industry's manipulation tactic.
I literally started laughing the moment she said that. She got it in the nose.
@1:17 was when i paused and checked for this comment before i posted something similar. Weird an old woman during that time knew.
@@hosdelgato1old people have seen the game play out time and time again
@@hosdelgato1 she saw the golden age of comics ruined by religious nutbags and the comics code, she prolly read comics as a girl in the 50s or 60s
@@Iamsawbones girls don't reaad comics
I will say for someone who doesn't look at all like Superman, Nic Cage really understands the character
Keaton didn’t look like Batman and he crushed it
@@Bulletsandblockbusters I mean... the action was always terrible in a real fighting sense but it look good.
He loves the Spectre I hope he play him on the big screen
Why would u have to look like someone to empathize and understand with said someone???
Nicolas Cage is a comic book guy, so he understands this stuff better than a lot of Hollyweird, but that doesn't mean he's a good fit for playing a lot of the comic book roles.
I can't believe Kevin Smith took the horrible, stupid ideas that the producer had and churned out a screenplay that actually sounds pretty awesome. Seriously, I would've loved to see the movie come into fruition, it sounds like bonkers 90s fun.
Bought a copy of the screenplay at a omic shop in seattle years ago and can confirm it absolutely fucks
Christopher Walken as Brainiac and Courtney Cox as Lois Lane… this movie is one of the biggest missed opportunities in all of cinema
Eh, I kind of prefer if they got the actors from the Lois and Clark series or Animated Series of Superman instead.
Cox is born to play Lois..her resemblance to Margot Kidder is also immaculate.
Why would you cast tv actors into a big Hollywood film? That's a recipe for disaster.
@@apollosungod2819Henry Cavill used to be a "tv actor", Margot Robbie used to be a "tv actor", so many big time A list actors who started off in big movies used to be tv actors what're you even saying 😂
I just can't see cage as superman
I love the middle-aged woman as a comic book fan. I just love how this medium can connect us all. Including derision at the shady, tired tactics of the industry.
WB really dropped the ball with this project in the late 90's. Because of the success of Burton's Batman movies, there was so much hype for a Tim Burton and Nick Cage Superman movie.
Great video!
Well said! And thanks!
May I say I completely disagree, Burton is an Emo freak who would've Gothified Superman, painted his nails black and have him smoking pot. Also, Nic Cage, and I did like him in The Weatherman, but he is extremely ugly, extremely skinny and extremely bald, to play Clark Kent, a handsome, jacked alphamale from Kansas, did I mention Nic Cage is ugly? I mean super ugly, ugliest actor alive, followed by Keanu.
They always dropped the ball.
Burton’s second Batman movie was dogsh!t, which was why he was replaced by Joel Schumacher - not that Schumacher did any better.
@@DeCurtaRicannot even remotely close to being the truth. Batman Returns was the #1 grossing film in 1992. Warner Brothers thought it wasn't kid friendly because of alot of the content which made it harder to sell merchandise and promotional tie ins that were mostly aimed at kids.
Wouldn't it be fantastic if we got Superman Lives as an animated film one day!
And the original cast as the voice actors!
I’ll be working on it someday. It’s probably the only Superman story that really interests me (besides John Byrne’s “Man of Steel”).
Superman Reanimated!
@aericabison3560 oh my god thank god for the one and only aericabisom3560 it's a shame there are no other superman stories that interest them as we are all waiting patiently for them to animate something.
Oh that would be so cool!
I actually thought Brandon Routh nailed the Clark Kent side of the character as well. The Returns script just didn’t give him a good enough Superman to get behind.
Yeah, he was just doing a Reeve imitation tho since returns was a sequel to those first two films
well said, Brandon Routh played superman role well but, sadly Henry Cavils was way to serious.
@@Moozy-FruitI think that’s because of snyders vision and not on Henry cavil himself
I really liked him too. I think he would have fit into the current universe better than Henry Cavill does.
@@Bulletsandblockbusters: Reeve did four Superman films, not two, and Routh’s Superman was a continuation story, not a sequel. There’s a difference.
You know while I'm a bit mixed on whether this Film would of be any good I think the idea of K, the little robotic teddy bear that Clark's biological parents send to earth with Him , is actually really good. It would of given Clark something hinting to His Kryptonian origin without spelling it out clearly for Him and I like how K would be able to morph, eventually becoming the suit Superman wears upon being brought back. Great concept I'd like to see another writer use.
I didn't know Nicholas named himself after Luke Cage🖤🙌
DIDN'T KNOW I COULD LOVE HIM MORE
The concept art of Christopher Walken as a robot-alien-spider is an awesome one.
There's a great document about this called *The Death of "Superman Lives": What Happened?* Highly recommend for anyone who finds the BTS of it's production fascinating.
Great doc!
By the great late Jon Schnepp!
Where can you find it?
that's a great doc...you can actually HEAR all the holes that high grade Hollywood coke made in Peters' brain.
It sounds like Kevin Smith's script was pretty awesome as it was. That was the reason Nic Cage wanted to do the movie in the first place, and since he was responsible for bringing in Tim Burton, I don't know why he would have let Burton fire Smith and then hire the guy who helped him to ruin "Batman Returns". I don't understand why people keep thinking that Tim Burton would make a good comic book superhero movie director. As much as people complain about Peters, it sounds like his ideas for the first Batman movie were some of the best scenes in the film. The iconic alley sword fight and the gothic cathedral at the end of the movie were things that I remember most (aside from Nicholson's Joker performance).
Do you like spiders?
@@CButler4223 still, its such a unique take to have Brainiac have his consciousness transferred into a giant spider. more like having an alien entity morph with animal from our world. would have been a great idea to explore in my opinion
"Iconic alley sword fight"?
@@CButler4223Fk no lol I have arachnophobia
I absolutely burst out laughing when you said Chris Rock was cast as Jimmy Olsen. 😂
Redheads are outlawed in Hollywood
I could see that….that would have goofy and interesting…..
You should do pitches for sequels. I bet you'd come up with some awesome stories. Revive franchises, fix mistakes, all that stuff. But I've been subbed for like a week or so and your vids are incredible. Keep it up.
Thanks!!! I'll def keep it in mind!
That's a great idea! I would love to hear his takes.
Nah thanks stick to cancelled projects and making of movies
This channel is doing fine with these original plans for movies
What a dum comment
The Flash multiverse scene has Cage's Superman fighting a giant spider.
Could you do what could have been, jurassic park 4? That movie was apparently going to be completely insane
I’ll look into it!
@@Bulletsandblockbusters that would be brilliant!
Which version ? There was literally like 5 or so different versions of JP4
@@julianmitchell5776The one with the human/dinosaur hybrids!!!
@@WeezaY5000 ngl that sounds cooler than what we got
Interesting fact about the cathedral fight at the end of Batman 89. I wonder what Burton's had in mind for the original showdown between Batman and Joker? Thinking about it now, what was Joker's intention of taking Viki Vale with him? Was he just going to kidnap her?
Originally he kills her sending Batman into a rage.
@@Bulletsandblockbusters Now that would've been something. First Napier kills Bruce's parents and then Joker kills Vale. However, we'd need to know why he kills her. Maybe Joker gets mad because she doesn't want to be with him.
Well joker shot down his bat plane and Vicki came to see if Batman was alive. That’s when joker basically captured her, then He radioed for his goons to pick him up by helicopter and the only way to get away was reaching the top of the tower to get to the copter as I doubt it would have landed in the streets without the blades hitting something.
But yeah In a nutshell he was kidnapping Vicki vale.
If they ever pull a Crisis on Inifinite Earths thing, I really want to see an older Nick Cage Superman. Just a proper hurrah, and not a CGI mess like Flash
why? this movie would have licked
Old Cage... Hell Naw😒
I still think this would be an amazing movie to see made, even if it is an animated film. Call up Burton & Cage and get it rolling!
better idea, learn to let go.
@@plasticweapon even better idea: don't shit on other people for liking things.
@@MarcelLWalkerbetter idea the truth hurts
@@MarcelLWalker better still, pay attention to what people say and don't put words in their mouths, snowflake.
@@z5am769 the truth (by the numbers) is that haters are clearly outnumbered on this thread. I hope you two joy-killing twerps are stocked up on Tylenol.
A lot of these ideas have been used in comics and games. The skull for brainiac ship is always his ship. Lex and brainiac fusing together was used in the justice league cartoon. That movie would of been awesome. Somewhere in the multiverse we all enjoyed it
this version of Superman sounds and looks better than the past few Superman movies they made. Tim Burton and Cage would have been great
John Peters is the character Bradley Cooper plays in PTA’s Licorice Pizza!
Yup!
I really like Nicolas Cage's acting and many of his movies, however the plot here does seem very radical from other Superman stories, and diverges from the essence of the comic book Superman, plus they anticipated going well over budget so that was another problem. Thanks for your review!
Nic: You tell Lois that I love her, that she's my hummingbird.
Metropolis PD: Ok, what are you gonna do for us?
Nic: What do you think I'm gonna do? I'm gonna save the fuckin' day.
😂
Happy to see the previous video blow up! Starting to see those subscriber numbers grow! Great video! Love it!!
Thanks my friend. Me too!
Interesting trivia. That skull-shaped space ship design was used in modern cartoon "Wander over Yonder" by a cartoony villain.
2:10 I heard rumours that one of the reasons Superman Reborn was rejected was because the plot had similarities to Batman Forever’s script.
The casting sounds amazing, it’s a shame that an amazing cast and one of the best directors had to go through this
Love what you're doing on this channel man. Keep the videos coming!
Thanks! Will do!
When you look at Burtons Batman 89', it influenced everything about the character and Batman fandom. To see their concept be so far off of what Superman should be, I'm glad they shut this thing down.
Imagine if it all worked out and we ended up with a Tim Burton Justice League movie with Keaton & Cage leading the team. Holy heck
I’d love an overview of the production of X-Men: Dark Phoenix since they reshot SO much of the film, I wonder what it would have been if they kept the original cut
I’ll look into it
Dark Phoenix was hard to watch it's that bad. It's hard to believe they actually made something that bad.
Dark Phoenix is such a garbage movie it made X-Men Wolverine Origins look like a great movie.
@@Bulletsandblockbusters In my head I heard Christian Bales Batman voice at the end of begins.
@@ModeloLoveMeLongTimeI agree I walked out of that film regretting I ever took my kid to see it
@@ModeloLoveMeLongTime Yeah but at least they're really focusing on phoenix force even the interperation is bad,not like Xmen last stand where the dark phoenix just like a doll who not have emotions & the focusing is just for the mutant cured
Tyler hoechlin plays Clark Kent beautifully. He not only has the duo personality but it seems so genuine because it’s not just black and white. His Clark is nerdy but also has scenes standing up for himself and family almost scary like. And his Superman is everything you’d think superman is, strong but caring. Honestly my favorite rendition on supes.
Same. And I hated his Superman in Supergirl when I first saw it.
For me Christopher and Henry are the gold standards.
Tyler doesn’t have the whole superman look. Something about his face and body that doesn’t give me that vibe. He definitely doesn’t have Henry’s sculpted body and face lol but I don’t know why I like him as TV superman. He is very cute and charming but he can be scary too. And he is a very good actor. I stopped watching the show cause it got depressing and he doesn’t have that many scenes as Superman 😢 prior seasons he had a lot to do but now is sidelined
@@amarawinchester963Agreed!
@@amarawinchester963 you aren't correct, both Reeve and Cavill were predicted by Swan and Swanderson (Swan + Anderson) while Hoechlin was predicted by Boring.
@@amarawinchester963 You ever seen superman & loid show ? Tyler hoeclin really nailed it as perfect superman,far away than his in supergirl show
As a 40 yo I never understood why I stopped/never started watching big universe superhero movies after the 90’s. I love superheroes and the comic created universes. Really enjoy the escape into brutal realities where the disparity of power includes natural, or artificial, abilities. I’ve found myself listening to audiobooks consistently for the past 15 years (yes pre audible and torrented to which I feel guilty). Also, not a huge Cage fan but damnit he really would have portrayed an outworlder so well. Also, while not a fan (due to the nat. treasure franchise) dude commits.
Been watching a few of the yt uploads recently and realizing how much my developmental teen years were pushed away from superheroes. I knew, from my older brothers and my own reading, what superheroes were. Flawed, destructive, brutal, petulant and f’ing awesome. The current superheroes are so darn flat. Not hating, just can’t enjoy the characters currently in the largely accepted universes everyone watches today. There are a few dirty pleasures, so feel free to criticize lol. First season of Heroes, a couple Wolverine movies, plenty of anime/cartoons that are comic or manga adherent, the Boys, the one with the blue dude and the Rorschach mask, Edward Norton as hulk (possibly should be ashamed of that one:), smallville first 2 seasons, Deadpool (spl?) makes me laugh, and I’m sure several others.
Anyway, loved the video, appreciate the history, and thanks and all that. Cheers.
Even though it never got made, it still got a brief cameo in The Flash movie. I loved that movie.
That's right! From that one scene I would have watched that if that were real
Love what you're doing on this channel man. Keep the videos coming!. Love what you're doing on this channel man. Keep the videos coming!.
Thanks! Will do!
0:48 The suit looks like a fkn piece of art, wow.
The Flash movie really sold to me how great he would have actually looked doing it. It would have been great. Maybe works even better now than then.
You should've added at the end on how "he" eventually did make his cinematic debut as a cameo in The Flash.
3:53 Peter's is for the cathedral and the swordfighter we excellent ideas that stood out in the movie. It showed that the joker had eccentrics in his crew, and the cathedral made the entire movie way more gothic in tone. So...🤷🏼♂️
Given Man of Steel and Superman Returns didn’t cut it, I wish this film made.
Same!
In alternate universe this movie is probably a super hit like Batman trilogy 2005-2012 🤔🤔🤔
I’d still kill to hear Nics thoughts on his Superman scene from the flash
The footage you managed to find that aligned with the video is incredible
Thanks!
Just found your channel and man I’m binge watching seriously you deserve so many more subscribers! Keep this up you’re going places! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
P.S. : Kevin Smith is a legend!
Welcome aboard! And thanks so much!!!!
@@Bulletsandblockbusters Thank you for the great content brother! Keep it up 👌🏻
I remember reading in newspaper in 1998 that the Superman suit was going to be electric in Superman Lives.
His regeneration suit was
Jeez your stuff is good! Just found your site & watching vid 3 & counting! Thanks! ✊
Welcome aboard! And thanks!!!!
The thumb nail image is incorrect. That was Henry's original suit for superman flyby. They showcased it in a video, and the viewers got it wrong. The guy said it was the superman lives suit, and it wasn't. The final main suit for lives can be seen, and it resembles more of an 89 batman style.
Imagine a Cage/Keaton BVS directed by Tim Burton
Would’ve been wild!
Came here because of the Tim Burton Batman Forever video and this was great as well keep it up!!!
Awesome! Thank you!
When I watched Con Air, Nic Cage felt like Superman. He was heroic, stoic, Nobel and a hero. He was buffed out to. He had the presence of Superman in Con Air.
man i really want to see nic cage as superman, even now. after the flash had him battling that giant spider, make that into a full movie please.
some of the original ideas they had in 98 sounded badass and some (the idiot producer had) sounded horrible, just take the best ideas of them and i'm sure that producer isn't around anymore, they can make that movie now, nic cage even named one of his sons Kal-El and had a million dollar comic book collection, he has always wanted to play superman as of now he has voiced superman in teen titans go movie (he was only in it for about a minute and his flash cameo which lasted for about a minute), give us the whole nic cage superman movie please it will be awesome for sure.
It was cool to see his character come to life in the flash movie ( even if the cgi was pretty bad).
thanks bud everything that needed to be said without a hour and a half doc i had to watch like twice just to watch this once new fav channel big guy thank you lmaoooo
Haha thnx!
@@Bulletsandblockbusters i dont need to see a cartoon spder fight which i didnt need see any way to get the point that doc did to much knew most stuff anyway yours perfect right to the point plus your angle claps champ
@@Bulletsandblockbusters watching spidey 4 now lol
Number one fan right here!
Not going to lie I can't see nic cage being a good superman.
Great video man! Love your tone and voice!
Thanks!
After Multiverse of Madness, this crazy idea could probably work today
Couldn’t they just make this an animated movie? They’d just need the rights, right?
George Reeves Superman wasn't much different than his Clark either. The duality was all Christopher Reeve
Yup! Reeve is the goat
Probably the finest example of Clark being separate from Superman was grant Morrison’s sublime all star Superman.
@@cicolasnage5684 My favorite part of that was when Lex saw the world the way Superman does all the time. With the idea that on a microscopic level everything is connected.
Additionally, Superman should ALWAYS know what to do. He's the hero all other heroes strive to be. I want Clark Kent/Kal El NOT Peter Parker.
Excellent channel! Keep up the good work!
Thank you very much!
I think this wouldve been next to incredible. Personally, I think Burton should've stuck with Kevin Smith's script, which was honestly the best one.
having seen the documentary about this, i would've love to have seen it. it would've been insane and i have read dan gilroy's script as it had a lot of promise as i think with some polishing and playing to burton's sensibility. it would've been something great.
You made this sound way better than the actuality of it. The storyline was absolutely horrendous
You really made me feel sad for Cage. At least he got to be Ghost Rider.
If you gave the superman's death story, to a child it wouldn't waist it as bad as Snyder did.
At least The Flash showed us that his Superman exists in the multiverse
Cage played Superman In Teen Titans Go to the Movies and The Flash. Glad he got to take the role in some way.
Let's give The Flash some credit, we saw what a PS3 version of this movie would have looked like
Two complaints about your videos, they end, and there isn't enough of them! Love the content my dude!
BTW, didn't you used to be called Bullets&Rum? Or am I going all mental Mandela Effect here?
Haha thanks! And yup, did a rebrand not too long ago as the channel started to grow.
Superman Lives is one of the top unmade or cancelled comic book movies I wanna see the most besides Sam Raimi’s Spider Man 4
New subscriber and I’m binging videos they are awesome 👏
Welcome aboard and glad you're digging the content!
They should make this movie but in a really well done 2 hour animated film
I don't know what it is...anytime I get a craving to revisit 'what happened' to Superman Lives, the story of everything that happened and the plot actually stimulates my brain and fascinates me all over again. I think there may have been some 'wtf is this' in the movie, but it probably would have been entertaining and certainly welcomed.
I agree i find the world building so interesting I would have loved to see it
Clark Kent has been missing since 1980
you HAVE to watch Kevin Smith tell the story of him writing the script and then taking it to Peters house to read it to him! Peters demanded he have a different suit and NOT FLY?! ego maniac that killed the movie!!
Holy crap, Burton and Cage made 5 and 20 million regardless that this movie was never made? No wonder movies have ridiculous budgets.
What a relief, Tim burtons so Called rendition of a Superman film didn’t got off the ground.
the 90s were not some limited time. They had Jurassic Park and terminator 2.
The giant spider thing makes me think of Ungoliant from Silmarillion, what else would it even be. You do see giant spiders a lot though.
Thank you for the video. Now I know why - Creative differences DIALED TO 11🔥🚒 Goodness
My take on this:
I'm definitely happy they kept the blue suit on, not the couderoy top with basketball shorts and flaming boots 🤕 On Superman? Even Smallville did better than that.
I'd also pick Kevin Smith's script. To avoid the potential CGI problem, braniac could've had a mech suit that's similar to the one I've seen in this video, but with his own "sleek" look. If they really wanted a spider, give Braniac's mech suit retractable tentacles, Doc Oct style. If you dont see it, picture Braniac from Injustice 2 game
What I take away from this is that we could have had a movie where Nicholas cage either beats up or gets beat up by Michael Keaton
The best thing about the goofy flash movie that just came out was the Nick Cage fighting a giant spider as Superman cameo
Jon Peters is the Avi Arad of DC
Totally!
agreed
That suit with the LED lights in it is so cool, we’ve still never seen anything like that on film. Do you know what the original ending to Batman ‘89 was before they changed it?
I’d have to look it up but I think Vicki vale was supposed to die followed by Batman going into a blind rage
Dynamo says hi...
if they followed the "Superman Dies" story, it would have been an AMAZING movie if they did it well!!
I was actually interested in Tim Burton’s Superman film back then and intrigued on Nick’s role. Was up to date thanks to SciFi and E! Channel and even some magazines until it was mysterious disappeared from the news.
I still think they should do Superman Lives with the help of technology. It is 100% possible, but the problem is that folks nowadays made a cheap looking CGI on a highest budget, whereas freelancers and non-profit folks were able to pull it off. That is just sad.
If I have all the time in the world, I would want to learn more about Blender and Unreal Engine and even taking advantage on the A.I such as images and chats just to bring it to life. Right now, I’m learning how to make a donut from Blender. A super slow start, but I guess it got to start from somewhere.
At least someone had made an initiative to make a version of Superman Lives like this animation found here.
While it is nice that Nick’s Superman cameo was in The Flash, the CGI was piss poor at best. As if the budget for the CGI was that of poor cheap labor and the rest of the money on drugs. I have seen superior special effects in Zack Snyder’s Justice League than that happy versions of The Flash and 2017 Josstice League.
This absolutely should have been made . We missed out big time
Biggest what if!
IMO they should do this as an animated movie with Burton’s vision and Nic Cage voicing Supes.
I just find it kind of sad but mainly hilarious that with all that struggle and money was put in to the movie it just ultimately wound up becoming a cameo thing in The Flash....Speaking of The Flash WB has had quite the history when it comes to troubled/cursed production's especially with super hero movie's
9:36 THIS RIGHT HERE! Man I feel so mad and sad that Cavil didn’t have a chance to be in a universe where the movies (including his own) have a better sense of direction and impact. Man oh man was he an amazing Superman, hoping the new Superman really does well
At least we got to see Nic Cage as Superman in The Flash.
I like the idea of the weirder out there-ish version of the film rather than the later "lol Superman is just gonna be pretty much Batman later on" version. Certainly sounds better than what I heard we got with man of steel.
Way to include some some "cold" puns while talking about B & R at 12:00. Instant sub.
Haha thanks
I never knew Megaminds Minion had a real inspiration in the "robot" Eradicator sent to protect Superman. Thats some lovely rare trivia
"Do you know anything about robots? There are the fiercest killers in the animal kingdom."
There's a clause in Tim Burton's contracts now that just says "Jon Peters can fuck right off"
😂
Let’s not forget Jon Peters also pretty much sank Witches of Eastwick by ordering a complete reworking of the ending after watching Aliens.
THIS type of left of center approach to an iconic superhero could kill if pursued today. The vision was irresistible.