Does Marvel Comics Really Have A Scarecrow?
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- When most think of the Scarecrow they think of DC Comics Batman villain Jonathan Crane. However, there is another Scarecrow this one hailing from Marvel Comics. Appearing in Tales Of Suspense to fight Iron Man, just how can there be two Scarecrows? What is the difference? Which fares better? Decide for yourself here on Casually Comics!
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Scarecrow seems like he would have been a better Daredevil villain than Iron Man.
Agreed.
Mister Fear is an actual DD foe & is handled quite well in DD’s modern grim comics. Marvel doesn’t need their Scarecrow w/ this guy around.
My first introduction to the character was in ghost rider. he seems a good fit there.
He was a Spider-Man villain as well
@@CaptainRockoBDand also a ghost rider villain
isnt it ironic that a scarecrow is training crows instead of SCARING away crows?
Maybe he used fear to train them. I don't know how much villains are against animal cruelty. And how long before crows would turn against him
He Scares People Using the Crows.
@peter loved the random thought. Also, what if he were disturbingly flexible, like body horror levels of body contortion.
(Pepper seeing Sasha's wig): "I can tell by the dark parting in her hair that she really isn't a blonde!"
DC's Scarecrow has more thought put into him and his gimmick of fear fits in with the motif. While Marvel's Scarecrow really does seems like he's only made to snatch up the name like you've theorized.
The two scarecrows briefly met in Marvel vs DC. I think they only had like two or three panels devoted to them, though
I became aware of this Scarecrow reading my Marvel Official Handbook, and was not surprised to see him not become a bigger thing, since he's so much lamer than DC's version in comparison. A better comparison when thinking about it would be the DC character Ragdoll, also a contortionist supervillain, but if Ragdoll had a army of crows. Even though this Scarecrow never got to the DC's version's fame, he has appeared in a few, quote on quote "big things"... His last appearance was in freaking Fear Itself, and was the boss in the Ghost Rider movie video game, and that's about it!
Through the whole video I was thinking 'Ragdoll!' Glad to find I wasn't alone
For me it was the DCvs Marvel crossover. It allowed us primarily DC fans to see more obscure characters.
Fellow Handbook fan(s)? I know they aren't for everyone but damn I grew up loving the handbooks, indexed, and such. I have... it's the 86 series I think... the tpb connection. Lol yeah I'm odd
@@FanBoyBooks I have all three volumes of the '86 handbooks, a reason I even know about characters like The Eternals, pantheons, and classic origins is because of that. Plus it was weird seeing Spider-Man in the symbiote suit, but this before Symbiotes were even a thing, so it's just a fancy alien suit lol
That Ghost Rider game was where I first heard about him.
You should do a video on Marvel's other Scarecrow (A.K.A. Straw Man)
I was just thinking about him. He/it is a rather interesting character with some potential.
She literally mentions it at the end. So she just might already be thinking about doing it.
Ya she should
Alias Dennis Prager
My first introduction to Marvel's Scarecrow was in an issue of Marvel Spotlight in the 80s, when he (and all the other villains) were breaking out of The Vault (Marvel's super villain prison at the time), only to be confronted by Iron Man and Hawkeye. I'm paraphrasing, but the exchange went something like this:
(Scarecrow tries to get the drop on Hawkeye, who promptly throws him to the ground and draws his bow on him)
SCARECROW: ARGH! What kind of arrow is that? Sonic disrupter? Knockout gas?
HAWKEYE: Sorry, I'm all out of "new" arrows. This is just an old "pointy end goes in and leaves a very nasty hole" arrow.
(The Scarecrow backs into an open cell)
SCARECROW: Here, let me get the door for you.
First time I knew Marvel had a Scarecrow was during a DC Marvel crossover. The 2 Scarecrows mugged Lois Lane and Peter Parker saved herm Parker then hits on Lois in front of Clark.
Justice League unlimited had a similar line said by the Huntress.
@@Awestefeld6612 What the hell was the dc Scarecrow doing muggin someone? The indignity! Was that in amalgam or in that one 80s crossover issue between Superman and Spidey? Cause hitting on Lois Lane in front of Superman sounds like a very 80s Peter thing.
@@pedrovallefin8406 Amalgam
@@pedrovallefin8406 also they actually planned to kidnap Lois and hold her for ransom.
The whole making birds do all the work for him thing reminds me of The Penguin.
Crows and Ravens are all genius level,criminal or not. Really smart birds.
Can ravens really talk? "Nevermore."
His time to shine, such as it was, was when he was briefly a Ghost Rider villain, and got to be part of the 1992 Ghost Rider phone game. (That is, you dialed a 900 number and answered trivia questions, hoping to win points. One of the most bizarre money grabs in Marvel history, which says a lot.)
Phone game? Cell phones were around in 1992? Forget mobile games! He was a supervillain boss in the video game Ghost Rider based on the 2007 Marvel movie of the same name.
So Marvel's Scarecrow has the name of DC's Scarecrow and the powerset of Ragdoll, another DC villain. Scandalous!
I like DC's Scarecrow way better. This one doesn't make sense at all to me. He has no real skill based around the scarecrow, and he's not even magical, but wants to face Iron Man? So confusing.
Early Marvel. Stan was busy and some stories didn’t get a lot of time.
Mr. Stark is *her* man! [but not really].
sums up the whole relationship issue until the 2000s.
Why until the 2000s? Because she hasnt been relevant in an Iron Man comic since 2012?
Major plot hole: Why aren't his crows SCARED of him?!
They are. They are just too afraid to disobey.
I think the idea behind scarecrows is that they are meant to trick crows into thinking a person is there. I guess crows tend to stay away from people. But, trained crows wouldn't have that same fear.
@@truefanforum3273 Wow, that actually makes a lot of sense. Ruined my joke, but expanded my mind!
@@mrvlcmcs Sorry to have ruined your joke. But glad I could help expand your message mind. I'm a bit conflicted here.
Have You Seen This Guy No One Would Be Afraid of Him.
Scarecrow was one of my fave villians when reading Ghost Rider books back in the day. glad to see you doing a video on him!
@Roberta Mohamedally I'm hoping with Deadpool being added into the MCU that we'll get a Madcap at some point. Maybe when Deadpool crosses over with Cap as a reference to Madcaps first appearance
Again, the Amalgam Comics Scarecrow who is Amalgamated from DC's Scarecrow and Marvel's Scarecrow
Cool.
"Wow what a ripoff."
What?
I remember Marvel's Scarecrow going up against Ghost Rider in the 90's but then I also remember Madcap kinda replacing Scarecrow as a Ghost Rider villain a few years later anyway
Daredevil’s villain Mr.Fear is about as close you can get to DC’s Scarecrow
I was just gonna say he'd be better matched against a street level hero like Daredevil. Oh well.
Mr. Fear=Scarecrow
Jester=Joker
Bullseye=Deadshot
Stiltman=Kiteman
No, Marvels Scarecrow is DC’s Scarecrow’s Marvel counterpart, not Mr. Fear!
@@DavidJoh Nope! Half wrong!
Marvel’s Jester = DC’s Jester
Bullseye = Onomatopoeia
@@thedestroyer2alltrolls411 Scarecrow is not a Daredevil villain but he was a Ghost Rider, Captain America and Spider-Man villain rather than a Iron Man villain
So Marvel's Scarecrow sounds more like DC's Ragdoll but with trained crows. LOL
I felt that they finally cemented the scary/creepy Ebenzer via this trilogy. I’d love to see you cover it…
Captain America Vol 1 #280
Ghost Rider Vol 3 #7
Captain America/Ghost Rider: Fear
If the word "scarecrow" could be copyrighted, farmers would be in a lot of trouble.
I prefer DC'S scarecrow, i didn't even know marvel had their own scarecrow until your first scarecrow video.
A couple of days ago I rewatched a Doctor Who story that had a small army of scarecrows, and they were creepy a. f. 😱
That's a great Tennant story! Properly frightening scarecrow army!
Both Marvel and DC have villains named the Wizard.
I never even heard about Marvel’s scarecrow until the comments section on your last DC scarecrow video.
Also looking cute today Sasha.
I read this Scarecrow first because I was a kid who loved Ghost Rider in the 90's. by that point he had more of a mad serial killer vibe and felt like something out of the X-Files. Plus, Mark Texeira's art made him a thing of nightmares. Those early Danny Ketch Ghost Rider arcs threw everything at the wall to find him a good villain, and this was one of the few that worked.
Is comparing Marvel/DC versions of the same idea a series/playlist now? Because I love that idea. I find myself getting excited to read characters like that because I want to see how they differentiate them.
In this case I really love the crows. Having a smarmy thief with trained crows he just has hanging around him is such a fun idea.
Of course, Iron Man's greatest weakness!
...crows
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I remember the first time I saw this Scarecrow. It was in a issue of Marvel Versus DC miniseries. In the issue, Marvel's Scarecrow team ups with DC's Scarecrow to kidnapped Lois Lane. They were stopped by Spider-Man (Ben Reilly). I always wonder where did the other Scarecrow came from. It wasn't until years later when the I looked him up in Wikipedia did I discover what was he all about.
I genuinely enjoyed the Captain America/Ghost Rider join up where they fight the Scarecrow. He'd eventually join up with Blackheart and take the series in a weird direction.
This is how I learned that Tony Stark's full name is Anthony, and I'm not sure what to think of it.
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Never forget the time Scarecrow and The Kingpin teamed up against Daredevil- “The Master of Fear” against “The man without fear”
Ancient Egyptians also had scarecrows
This entire story just vindicates my befriending of neighborhood crows
@Roberta Mohamedally Yes 👍 The King of New York- Alan Grant, Eduardo Barretto
This is the occasion I was referring to. Marvel and DC in the issue consolidated the two characters together for the story
Daredevil kicks him off the Statue of Liberty and Kingpin punches the Statue of Liberty
It also has my favorite DC pairing… ScarecrowxGun!
idk why it cracks me up so much but with a Gimmick heavy rogue like The Scarecrow who has so many forms of psychological and physical weapons that lean into his entire theme seeing him use a gun puts me in stitches. It’s like that ol’ gun meme.
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Sasha, I had no idea this guy even existed.
One comment you featured questioned the lack of lawsuit. Do they really think the word scarecrow can be copyrighted? It’s an object in the real world dude!
We need more Iron Man foes! How about the time Hawkeye defeated Iron Man? back in the day when he was something of a villain.
How about the multiple Rag Dolls that have appeared in DC comics over the decades? there aren't as many of them as Clayface but they are worth a mention.
But who will be compared next? Sandmen? Arsenals? Batwings? Miss Americas? So many options
Miss America. One from Quality Comics. One from Timely Comics. I think there was a third but she was from a minor comic book publisher and may have had only 1 or 2 stories.
Tony's suit runs out of power yet those birds can fly him to Cuba. Of course
"Not a natural blonde." It's always fun when you get to a point in the video where the wig choice becomes apparent.
"I mean, this sounds more like he should be ... the Ragman."
Heh. Good job sneaking in a character for a future video, right?
My only exposure to this character was a brief joke in The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl. He was the subject of one of the Deadpool Trading cards Doreen likes to use. His bio mainly consisted of "no, not THAT guy, you're thinking of something else" and "this guy has never travelled in time" (that was the subject of the arc).
Jack-O-Lantern was along the same lines, but I don't know if he was the next step for Marvel's Scarecrow or not.
Ghost Rider vol 2 #7 featuring the Scarecrow is probably the creepiest issue of Mackie and Texeira's run.
I think the fact that Thorndyke's character was a masked smuggler (with the epic real name of Dr. Syn) who was pretty much a proto-superhero may have influenced the prevalence of Scarecrows in comics.
All right I'm gonna need some writer to update this Scarecrow for the modern era and make him mainstream all while keeping his henchcrows.
My fave it the second Marvel Scarecrow (Straw Man). He's just so off beat and weird.
LOVED your scarecrow history lesson!!! Thank you!!!
Found out about this guy while reading Sam’s Captain America run, and he was literally using fear gas. The crows were a nice touch, though, “crazy, terrified crows”.
Ah, the old “base your supervillain identity on whatever is near you” origin, at least it worked out better for him. The only thing around me when I swore vengeance was my TV remote, so I became the Remote Controller. I started breaking into peoples houses and turning their TV volume up so loud, the whole town would hear it… I was the prince of public disturbance, the ne’er-do-well nuisance, the fear you hear, mah-ha-ha-ha lol
Although I am generally more of a Make Mine Marvel kind of guy, I prefer the DC Scarecrow: he's scarier! In this story it would have made more sense to have whoever owned the crows in the first place to be the criminal. As it is, it seems like this guy would be better going up against Daredevil or similar "Street Level" superheroes.
Sasha doing research on the history of scarecrows as a whole just for the video. Definitely thorough.
4:24
the sole reason I started ready Ironman from whatever issue of tales of suspense he first appeared in. Also why I started reading avengers from issue 1.
I think those 'crows' were really Odin's ravens. Only way I can explain it. ?;- )
I first heard of Marvel's Scarecrow thanks to the Ghost Rider movie game.
So many good moments in here, Save the Crows, not a natural blonde, Tony being called Antony, Iron man in a sack, bad guy gets away to Cuba! Wow old comics were a trip!
I just realized one of the reason the Scarecrow is fear themed is because scare is literally a syllable in his name. I’m stupid.
Scarecrow: He’s some straw in your gears Iron Man. Those crows were on point. They should have taken on Red Wing next.
By the way, wasn’t there some Thing/Marvel two in one Issue featuring one of marvels other scarecrow characters who was some form of supernatural Force? #DatingMyself
Yes, that was the Scarecow Sasha mentioned at the end of the video, who was later renamed the Straw Man and revealed to be a fear lord alongside Nightmare, D'Spayre, the Dweller in Darkness and others.
I never knew Marvel had a Scarecrow, can't believe he enslaved Crows that could've better served their time bringing Eric Draven back for revenge.
Never let anyone tell you your videos aren't both entertaining AND informative, Sasha. I commented on your scarecrow vid recently that he's one of my favorites of the Batman rogues over at DC but I, like I'm sure a good few others, had no idea Marvel had one too. Correction, two! You gave me a new brain wrinkle, Sasha. Kudos.
He reminds me of Ragdoll from DC, a triple jointed contortionist who wore a ragdoll skin while committing crimes. He first went up against the Flash, and two others eventually took on his persona, including his son, who had surgery to give him the needed flexibility. The og was named Peter Merkel.
I thought you were going to say "oh yes this scarecrow will be going up against a rich playboy" but Tony stark is a good synonym
I appreciate the concern for Stan's and Don's well-being, but you missed I think one of the best:
This was Lettered by Art (when will he learn to spell) Simek
Could you do Stargirl Spring Break Special and all that involves? Think it'd be fun.
The first time Marvel and DC ever worked together to publish anything, it was the comic book adaptation of The Wizard of Oz. ... It featured a Scarecrow.
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I was not expecting Feathertop to be referenced here. That story was later adapted into a very sad play. Poor scarecrow just wanted to be real.
Straw vs iron the true battle of age! Awesome video as always especially with the name pronunciations👍👍
Actually there was or is another better known Marvel Scarecrow. A Superhero of sorts. One of the "Horror" characters of the 1970's Featured in Marvel Presents and the Dead of Night books among others. I think you can find a few of his stories in one of the Essential Marvel horror Volumes. There actually was an earlier Scarecrow from a pre-Silver Age Monster book, that gave us such other luminaries as Groot and Fin Fang Foom. That one was a one shot story with a Scarecrow transformed into a giant kaiju'esque monster.
I'd actually enjoy your take on the 70's horror-themed Scarecrow (the one who later became 'The Straw Man'). I was actually something of a fan and actually wrote a fanfic featuring that character....
I also wrote a fanfic for a DC/Marvel Mash-Up website where, among other things, Jonathan Crane visited Ebeneezer in prison, incensed by his 'descecrating' of the Scarecrow legacy.....
Sasha, do a history of Hawkeye. He goes from villain to wise-cracking, problem with authority Avenger, to Defender to kickass level-headed leader of the Thunderbolts to whatever he is now. His only real problem and why he never had a long running solo title is that he never got any neat villains of his own.
Maybe he could steal a few of earlier villains other Marvel heroes faced and then they dropped more or less from sight, like Daredevil's foe the Owl.
I read that comic with Scarecrow and crew vs the X-Men when I was a little kid and loved it. Marvel had a fun roster of wacky villians in their early days: Porcupine, Plant Man, Unicorn, Human Top, Paste Pot Pete, The Melter, etc - many of which were featured in the Human Torch and/or Ant-Man solo stories.
PS: I love hearing your reactions to Stan Lee's (early?) cringe worthy take on female characters and relationships!
This makes me think of DC Comics Ragdoll from the Batman Cartoon
Why is there no video detailing how Pepper is not Tony Starks love interest, but Happys... I want one of those...
I was previously vaguely aware of Marvel's Scarecrow only because during DC vs Marvel/Marvel vs DC they had a card of them fighting, but sadly not the Marvel Enchantress vs the DC Enchantress (iirc they had the Marvel version fight Circe).
When I saw that 'flexible as a scarecrow' I thought the villain would have a back brace or pins in his spin or something...boy, was I way off
I just heard about this whilst reading up on Ravencroft, insane DC never tried to claim plagiarism.
The Weekly Planet brought me here. They mentioned this episode in their latest podcast.
6:15 Scarecrow used Black Widow's leg-neck-grab thing!
How about a video on second tier villians that are always in the shadow... For some reason the videos about Scarewcrows made me think about Jack O Lantern, Boomarang (Marvel) etc. The type of marvel villians that only really got any attention as background in the Hoods Syndicate
When did Stan sleep? Whenever Ditko or Kirby were doing the work. He just set his alarm clock for whenever its time to take the credit.
I loved the Ghost Rider/Scarecrow story that I think you showed the cover of. The idea that he could be healed by fear, and so built a house in which he could never die was sick and twisted.
I think this scarecrow died in the civil war event while hunting Spiderman through the sewers.
No, that was Jester and Jack'O Lantern.
Dc, he's a little more fleshed out.
If he was used better, he'd be neat. I saw him in a Vengeance of the Moon Knight story arc and he was creepy as fuck.
Again your hair game is on point
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Actually, there's some evidence that early Marvel (i.e. Stan Lee) misunderstood what transistors were. They treated them like capacitors or batteries rather than as transistors.
And I had read the "heroic" version of Scarecrow without realizing there was also a villainous Scarecrow, so much of this was new to me. The heroic version had a weird schtick involving a painting. But the DC version seems to have the title and fear theme sewn up pretty well.
Can you make a video about other characters with the same name from Marvel and DC please?
Woody Allen in his prime might have made an interesting Batman movie Scarecrow.
You mean like when Weird Al voiced the Dollmaker.
I imagine this Scarecrow is influenced by the flexibility of the character of the same name in the "Wizard of Oz" movie.
My favorite issue with Ebenezer was the Ghost Rider (Danny Ketch) annual.
I discovered Marvel's Scarecrow when he met DC's Scarecrow, in DC vs. Marvel.
60's Pepper Potts: I bet the carpet doesn't match the drapes.
2008 Pepper Potts: I do anything and everything Mr Stark requires - including, occasionally taking out the trash. 😼
Crows seem to always play a slight negative role looking back on them from where we are now. I do have to say love your crow call. Also know this not the place but what the difference in Ravens and Crows?
Sasha!
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Sasha's reaction to this Scarecrow is right on. It does seem that if DC has a scarecrow character then Marvel needs one too. DC's Scarecrow is waaay better. I had no idea the Marvel Scarecrow even existed.
"Credulous", wow someone went to college. I had to look that one up. CC is teaching me new words. This is a smart show. 🤓
Favorite Sasha quotes: "UMberto", "The curtains do not match the dra- oh help me I am being sucked in!", "Yay, everybody is awful!"
I'm really flexible, I just loved the way lower tier crooks in the Golden Age of comics dreamt up their gimmicks to basically go up against Super Heroes... I wonder if the original "Masters of Evil" did drug testing of new recruits?
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