Is the Apollo Phantom the Best Electric Scooter of 2023? - In-Depth Review
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
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It's finally here! The Apollo Phantom Version 3. With the help of Jamie the cameraman, I took the Apollo Phantom though it's paces.
Special thank you to Apollo for sending me out a unit to review ;)
Apollo Phantom 2023
Top speed: Up to 41 MPH
Range: Up to 40 miles
Motors: Dual 1200W nominal or 4000W total peak output•
Battery: 52V 23.4aH dynavolt cell
Brakes: Dual disc brakes with 160mm discs (hydraulic’s coming soon)•
Suspension: Proprietary quadruple suspension system•
Display: Proprietary LX display with estimated mileage remaining•
Tires: Wide street style - 10inch tall and 3.25 inch wide •
Lights: 1000 lumen headlight, two front deck lights, two rear + front turn signals, rear footrest light
Music: bensound.com
License code: YUZFV1PKBB0FMP7C
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Excellent reivew, Tim. Since making the decision to buy an electric scooter, I've watched tons of reviews. Since I live in Portugal, I'm a bit liimited. I've found a company called Ride and Glide in the UK that ships here. They have several of the Apollo models on sale right now. At first, the Ghost seemed to fit my budget and needs but I'm not crazy about the industrial design nor the proturding clip at the back of the base. The City Pro fits the budget but here in the Algarve, there are lots of hills. In fact, I live at the top of a long, steep hill that's difficult even on my ebike. After watching your review of the Phantom V3, I've decided that considering it's extra power and range, that's the way to go even if it does break the bank. When spending this much money, I'd rather have the piece of mind knowing that I won't have buyer's remorse for trying to save a few bucks at the cost of not having a scooter that fits my needs.
Awesome @glennover6046, I have a follow up video on the Phantom coming out next week :)
I bet it would be an epic scooter for taking in the beauty of the Algarve :)
I also started with the Apollo Ghost ''22 & I went through so many brake pads it's getting annoying. I ride aggressively (but politely!) I'm 190lbs. Still a very fast, awesome machine. I have this '23 Phantom on order (pre-order, should arrive in a week or so) & I'm looking forward to using regen to prevent my weekly brake adjustment & monthly brake pad replacement.
that's interesting...can you get back to me after some riding and let me know how you like the regen...once it's dialed in and you're have it for a bit?
@@TimsElectric Sure thing.
cheers
The one feature that lured me in on the V2 was the locking mechanism which allowed me to carry it up and down stairs. Those 1200w motors barely made it up that hill. I'm so glad I went with the Nami max. Even though it weighs a lot and has no locking mechanism, with the 1500w dual motors and 72v 40ah LG batteries, it has endless amounts of power to haul my 6'5" 300lb frame around. It eats real hills up for breakfast lunch and dinner with no exaggeration in S mode even at 40% power. Not 40% battery. In the P settings, you can customize the power delivery in each wheel from 1 - 5. I have yet to change the factory settings and its more than enough power for me at the moment. This is my 1st scooter ever.
Ludo mode would be Sport mode on the Nami with no limit. Leaving you with custom mode, followed by X mode and then X turbo 💥💨
The ride quality is second to none! The apollo is rickety and rackety and jarring over bumps. Those looking at the V3 Phantom should really test ride a Nami Klima 1st or the Burn E2 OR sell an organ and get yourself the Max version, you won't have any buyer's remorse 💯it really lives up to the hype!
@J D thanks for sharing your thoughts on the Nami, I haven't tried one yet...good to hear that it's awesome for a bigger guy too :) I really need to reach out again to them to see if I can try one out :) Cheers
Bit of a nuke though on the scooter world although I do agree that the Nami Max is perhaps the best of the best. You sir are indeed one lucky individual 👍
cheers Mark..I haven't tried one...but would love to :) (Nami)
@@TimsElectric I'm sure it won't be long before Nami ask you to test one or more of their products Tim... I'm looking forward to that day =) Happy that you got to test the Phantom V3 =) looking forward to see what else you get to test later this year 👍
Cheers Mark...good times ahead :) :) I have some comparisons to film now that the weather is improving...I'm thinking Wolf vs XXXX? what do you think I should compare it to?
Great review! I appreciate the point of view from a heavier set person (like me). You didn’t mention what kind of range you were able to get.
Great location to ride. Victoria is amazing.
Would you have spec’d with hydraulic brakes if you were to buy it?
Keep up the great work!
Awesome @garysandhu5082, thanks for your comment. Honestly no...I wouldn't get the hydraulic brakes unless I was an aggressive rider. I typically don't use the brakes at all...just the regen :) In fact it's so common for me that when I test a scooter without regen my left thumb hunts for it out of habit :) As to a range test, I think Jamie did one her on the channel...but I'd feel comfortable riding conservatively around 30k if that helps :)
I have a Phantom V2 upgraded to a V3. I love it. Apollo provides the best customer care also. I envy you in Victoria as in Ottawa I need more snow to melt.
Thanks for sharing Will...that's really good to hear. :) :)
Beast scooter 💪 Amazing review Tim! 🙏
Thanks! 👍Jamie...you were awesome :)
I’ve been a subscribe for 8 month now I love and enjoy your vids Tim !!
thanks so much! Which scooter do you ride?
@@TimsElectric apollo explore! its nearly almost about to fall apart 😁😂
Tim I wonder if you remember me I was asking you to review the Apollo Phantom & you did answer back but I can't remember what you told me but it were somewhere along the lines you didn't have any available at the time but it's nice you finally got to ride this one with the upgrades, Apollo is so cool they basically upgraded this same scooter like 2-3 times V1,V2 & V3..👍🏽
Hey Kirwin, thanks for remembering...I'm super excited to be trying it out...it's so smooth and you're right Apollo keeps on improving each time :) :)
@@TimsElectric Believe me what I admire & respect about the Apollo brand is that they the only company there owners are front & center in 95% of the videos on UA-cam no matter the issue sale,, repairs, upgrades the whooooole 9 yards & that give me confidence that they are confident & stand behind there product than any other owner in the scooter company market..👍🏽
interesting...I hadn't thought of that...thank you :)
Great review Tim. Ludo mode must be exciting! No word of the day?
Thank you Tone! Word of the Day is Michaels :) :)
Finally a guy my weight. What's your top speed
I'm not sure, probably around 60kph....but I'm not comfortable riding at those speeds so I keep to about half that :)
Good vid. I thought it was slow on the hill test considering 1200w motors!!
I tested a my 1st escooters yesterday. A friend brought his Synergy Cyclone over for me. I did not like it over all. This a a fare size scooter and I found if awkward to ride. Stance, arms and body position to the handle bars. And that trigger finger throttle was horrendous and I think that will be the same for all scooters using that style -- get a thumb.
I will not get a scooter -- for me, Im going to stick with EUC's but I am not discouraging folks from trying scooters, try both if you get the chance.
Cheers.
thanks :)
Can you turn off the kick to start?
Yes you can...and turn on cruise control too :)
Every e scooter nowadays should have standard removable batteries like other companies are doing
for security? I've had scooters with removable batteries and honestly I never took them out...why would you want removeable batteries? curious :)
@Tim's Electric No easy accessibility when you need to add more range while on the go, and if your battery is dead it is hassle free to just remove the battery without dealing with bunch of wires and screws.
@@luckybaldivicio5830 oh i see...could work...I wonder what an extra battery would cost...maybe it would be better to save on the second battery and put the money into a scooter with a bigger battery...unless weight was an issue...so many options ;) :) thanks for clarifying :)
@TimsElectric Without elevators try 2-3 flights of stairs!!! That's on reason.?
Great video, thanks for sharing🇨🇦👍🏼
Glad you enjoyed it and appreciate you saying hello :) Cheers
Is it always a kick to start or can you turn that off? Thanks.
I haven't done it yet, but I'm pretty sure I can change it in the App :)
I'll setup this week and make a short :)
How would u compare the performance of the phantom compared to the splach titan? I believe the phantom will go longer in range but how would u compare the performance aside from range?
Hi Eric, that's a great question and perhaps a video for a future ride.
I can say that the smoothness of the ride on the Apollo is amazing....the acceleration and deceleration is exceptional :)
Hey Tim, As Always Love Your Video's and Your Scooter Reviews. I Love The Phantom But I'm Still Having So Much Fun With My Apollo Ghost. But The Phantom Would be my Next Choice from Apollo. Once again Great Vide and Great Review. 👍🏾🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🛴🛴🛴✌🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
@Bee Strong !!! Wow thank you so much :) :) love the Ghost too....but the Phantom is next level for sure :) :) so smooth :)
Great review, thank you for going through that.
Awesome @hermanlopez2945, glad it was helpful :)
Incredible! I reckon no matter what scooter you have you will always look at this design and would like one or at least be the next choice inline. No matter if its a Kaabo, Varla, Zero, Vsett or a Nami that you get I reckon watching Tim accelerate almost 30mph without discomfort thanks to those quad suspensions and that's without even getting into the Ludo mode nice to have the option though either quick off the mark to comfort cruiser scooter whilst feel safe thanks to the solid design 👌 I'm defo sold on this.... dammit!
😆👍😎 awesome review Tim I hope you get to keep the scooter or for a little while longer and test it out!!! You lucky duck!!!!!!! 😂
thanks Mark! What do you think I should do with it next? Compare it perhaps?
@@TimsElectric I reckon that's a fantastic idea. You have ridden A LOT of scooters so that would be something worth while to know from your perspective Tim.
How does it fair upto it's younger brothers the Apollo Ghost and Apollo City for comfort? or/and maybe a ranged test in your amazing area 🙂👍
that's why I pay you the big bucks lol
Apollo vs Apollo vs Apollo :)
coming soon to a UA-cam channel near you :)
Cheers
Comment 1: Incredible! I reckon no matter what scooter you have you will always look at this design and would like one or at least be the next choice inline. No matter if its a Kaabo, Varla, Zero, Vsett or a Nami that you get I reckon watching Tim accelerate almost 30mph without discomfort thanks to those quad suspensions and that's without even getting into the Ludo mode nice to have the option though either quick off the mark to comfort cruiser scooter whilst feel safe thanks to the solid design. I'm defo sold on this.... dammit! awesome review Tim I hope you get to keep the scooter or for a little while longer and test it out!!! You lucky duck!!!!!!!Reply: Hey there! I completely agree with you! This Apollo Phantom scooter seems to have incredible features and a sleek design that would catch anyone's attention. The quad suspensions and the option of Ludo mode definitely make it stand out. If I had the chance, I would love to try it myself and experience the speed and comfort. Tim's review was fantastic and he showcased the scooter's capabilities really well. Thanks for sharing your enthusiasm!Comment 2: Incredible! I reckon no matter what scooter you have you will always look at this design and would like one or at least be the next choice inline. No matter if its a Kaabo, Varla, Zero, Vsett or a Nami that you get I reckon watching Tim accelerate almost 30mph without discomfort thanks to those quad suspensions and that's without even getting into the Ludo mode nice to have the option though either quick off the mark to comfort cruiser scooter whilst feel safe thanks to the solid design. I'm defo sold on this.... dammit! awesome review Tim I hope you get to keep the scooter or for a little while longer and test it out!!! You lucky duck!!!!!!!Reply: Hi there! I couldn't agree more with your sentiment. The Apollo Phantom scooter's design is undeniably captivating, and its performance, especially with those quad suspensions, is outstanding. It's impressive to see Tim confidently accelerating to almost 30mph without any discomfort. The Ludo mode is definitely a great option for quick acceleration or a comfortable cruising experience. This scooter's solid design ensures a safe and thrilling ride. Tim's review was fantastic, and I hope he gets to keep the scooter for longer to explore its capabilities. He's one lucky duck indeed!
Are the handlebars adjustable? Meaning high to low
HI Nicolas, no they're at a fixed height :)
what was your top speed on it? Jamie's was 57 but whats yours when you're not on ludo mode? I weigh 250 and I currently use a turboant max but 21mph is too slow for me. I wanted to get something faster and your answer to my question would be great!! thank you
I think I was close to his top speed...I think I have it set so it doesn't go above 60 :)
@@TimsElectric did you go close to 40 while NOT on ludo mode? My biggest thing is I feel like I hold up traffic when Im commuting to and from work lol. We have bike lanes that I use but the cars still stay behind me
I spoke with Jamie (my camerman and speed enthusiast), he thinks we have the app set to a max speed of 60...so we're going to meet up (him with the scooter he's using to range test) and me with the app and we'll do a follow up video...maybe do a speed test short video here on UA-cam :)
@@TimsElectric yes, that would be a great idea lol. I just wanna know how much bang I can get outa this buck
We filmed a video this week, but he didn't ride the Phantom over here, I think he'll pop by with it later next week :)
Which one would you recommend? The Apollo Ghost or the Apollo V2 or V3 2003 "I'm a beginner"
Hi Nicolas, it really depends...there are so many other factors. To help, if you pop over to my website I have an easy questionnaire for you :)
If you fill it out I can personally recommend the best one for you :)
Size, weight, city, trails etc... :) Mention that you're interested in the Apollos :)
I have noticed that the steering mechanism of the Apollo Phantom 2023 scooter appears to remain fixed in position when it is aligned straight, rather than providing the expected smooth transition from left to right. While I am uncertain if this is a standard feature of Phantom Scooters, I am interested in understanding if others have encountered a similar issue, or if it may be a cause for concern.
I would greatly appreciate your input on this matter, particularly since you own a Phantom scooter and can offer insights into the expected steering mechanism behavior. Thank you in advance for your time and assistance.
I'm not sure what you mean Michael. When riding the Phantom I find it's super smooth going between the turns.....maybe you could send me a video showing me what you mean?
@@TimsElectric The steering locks in a fixed position when it is aligned straight, rather than providing a smooth transition from left to right. I feel you probably are not experiencing the issue, which make me feel I have a issue. Thanks
I'll check it out when I take it for a spin later this week :)
Some scooters do this...I just don't recall :)
Cheers
Tim
Maintains forward stability - slight detent
I have the same Center notch feeling
Can it do a bit of offroad? Lets say your crossing in grass or rough terrain
grass no problem :)
Not sure about rough terrain ...like a trail no problem
lots of power ;)
I recommend the v2 60v because it can go 70km/hr and the range is 66km
Interesting, I didn't know that :) thanks so much for sharing :)
Who makes the battery? I'm a newbie and looking for a scooter. Thanks!
that's a good question...I actually don't know...but now a days, the batteries used by quality manufacturers will have been tested vigorously so I stick with quality companies and you'll be fine :)
Dynavolt
Why does it look like the v3 requires so much kick start every time? even on flat ground? Can't it start trottle at 1mph instead of 3 or 5mph?
I need to get rid of kick to start in the App :)
Is there a local dealer for Apollo in Victoria? I will have to keep my eye out for you - love the videos :)
Not at present but if you want to try one let me know 😀
@@TimsElectric I would love to try one. Not sure how to PM on this though.
@@michaelmantel2885 mssg me through my website 😀link in the bio on YT
So what did Jamie say 55 mph is that right
I think it was Kph not mph :)
Hi sir I just order the Apollo Phantom last week. Don’t know how long it takes for them to ship but it’s been a week I’m waiting 😂 how is it so far?
Awesome @MendezDroneops, loving it! need to do an update video soon :)
@@TimsElectric Nice 🤝
Cheers :)
Amazing scooter I was wondering why they did not add hydraulic brakes for the price but then realize the regen braking is what’s should mostly be used
I wondered that too....and now I know lol...thanks for the comment ...I pretty much only use the Regen on this and the City Pro 2022 :)
I like the vice grip style stem lock the ghost has, not a fan of that pin system on the phantom.
thanks for sharing...just FYI, I did find the stem lock to be excellent...and strong :)
Howdy Tim! Just wondering, when you were doing the hill climbing test (around 3 min into the video) were you giving it full throttle? Just trying to get an idea of the hill climbing potential, as I am of a similar weight. Thanks man! ✌
Awesome reminder @bubblemagic8664, I think I've scheduled an update on the Phantom to film this week...perfect timing :) I'll do a follow up and do it on the hill of death :)
@@TimsElectric OK perfect. Btw I was about to pull the trigger on buying a phantom a few days ago, but the price went up from $2099 to $2549 overnight... :(
oh no!!!! I had no idea :(
Did you reach out to them directly or are you waiting for black friday?
@@TimsElectric I mentioned something in the chat during their weekly friday livestreams, they said to keep an eye out for possible future sales. But ya at this point might as well wait to see what black friday has in store for scooter deals, Apollo or other brand!
So I'm ready to make a purchase. I'm 260 pounds and will commute 30 km a day. No massive, or steep hills. Do I buy the Apollo Phantom v3 or do I go with the vig blade pro?
Ken that's a fabulous question.
Sadly the answer for that kind of distance is probably an Ebike.
The range of both the VIg and Apollo would be fine I'm sure but riding an electric scooter as a commuter for more than 10miles I think is too far.
It's so hard on your body doing it every day I suspect...what do you think? Have you tried an ebike?
Let me know...but a Blade vs Phantom might be a fun video to make :)
@@TimsElectric I realize now that I was far from clear in my original post lol. I would be riding the scooter 6km to work, driving a city bus for 4.5 hours and riding 6km home. After a 4 hour break it would repeat, totalling 24 km for the day. I inflated the number to 30km as a buffer. Ultimately I don't need whatever scooter I buy to go crazy fast, but I am looking for torq so that I don't have to deal with it labouring up hills under my "Big Guy" weight. Thanks for your response btw.
Oh and that comparison video between the Phantom V3 and The Vig blade pro would be a good one. Would love to see a big guy range test of both scooters as well, if you're taking requests :-)
@@kenmcglade8728 oh ok...makese sense...so the Vig is going to be more powerful....I think I need to do a comparison video...maybe take a couple of these beasts out and share my thoughts :) finally the weather is warming up and I can start to film more often :)
@@kenmcglade8728 love requests!!! I get all my best ideas from the comment section lol...but really I do :)
I’m having trouble deciding with this scooter or the varla eagle one pro. I heard the steering on that scooter is kind of strange . But the range is better on that scooter
Yes the steering is stiff on the pro ...which is odd at first but when traveling at higher speeds really nice 👌...I need to compare the two...I'll film that video soon 😀
@@TimsElectric is the steering hard to get used to?
@@XtremeKillah101 not at all...just a bit stiffer than I expected it to be. 😀
@@TimsElectric ok thanks. I’ll get the eagle one pro then , made my decision
@@XtremeKillah101 hope you love it...the range is amazing
Great review Tim!
That phantom looks awesome.
I definitely think the Apollo brand is the way to go.
it's so smoooth :) :)
Honestly do you think this scooter is better than Segway P100S?
I'd love to say, but alas I haven't see or tried any Segways...they don't reply to my emails lol...I'm just too small of a channel I guess :)
Seeing that hill start test, push to start mode or not, that was slow.
My wolf warrior x would rocket you up that hill and continue to accelerate.
I'd like to try the Wolf X...maybe if you're in the hood? lol :)
good job
Thank you! Cheers!
Another thing not mention too often about Apollo scooters is the price. I knew they were made in Canada and I know everything here cost so much so I thought they would be a lot more than they are for the technology and quality from a smaller company. Nope, great prices. On their webpage now you can get the dual 1200 w ghost model for I think $1,899. 400 off. Bigger companies like Segway who should be more competitive in pricing are selling some of their midsized models with single motor 650 watt for the same price and 9bots that don't even have suspension for not much less. No comparison at all for bang for your buck.
I didn't know that Andrew, thanks for sharing...the pricing isn't something I get into as pricing is so different around the world but awesome to hear that they're being so competitive ;) Cheers
yes indeed, loving their newer scooters...love how Apollo continues to improve year over year :) :)
Yeah, I was kinda shocked they’re selling the new Apollo Pro for $5199.00. That’s a pretty steep jump. 😳
@@jeffleonard9983 wow...that's about the same as my Wolf King Pro...gosh :)
57 KPH? or 57MPH?
57 Kph, but it'll go faster if I was braver and had proper equipment on :)
The bell could be electric. Gps tracking and alarm could be added.
Awesome @marianjavorka7712, good ideas :)
Akku Power?
Akku?
@@TimsElectric Ah ?
I think it's 23.4Ah :)
Far from the best, there’s Dualtrons, Vsetts, Kaabo, Nami, that give you more power, range hydraulic breaks for the same price.
Which one did you get?
I’m looking to buy a good scooter for commuting to college and such. Is there one you would recommend over this one? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
@@TimsElectric I ended up getting a Vsett 10+ R, but it’s probably double the price of the phantom.
@@michaelhamilton7886 I would look at the range you need and weight. Also nothing too expensive if you’re going to lock it up outdoors.
@@independentmind6345 but do you love it?
that weld in the pole near the fold... will crack soon and dangerous... a lot of scooters i repaired who has weld in that part ..Cracks
can you send me a photo? I'm not sure what you mean :)
@@TimsElectric 8:55 i hope ..there is pole inside.. holding it
thanks so much for showing me...I hadn't noticed that before, I can't see up inside but it all does feel strong :)
I would love to have a scooter like this, but it is illegal in Germany
sorry to hear :)
oh brother 😅 i think you need to ride a few more models. that phantom is nearing the back of the pack. nami klima, mantis king GT, victor luxury +...
HI Kevin, you think so? I really liked it...you mean because the top speed wasn't nutz? I would like to try the Manits, Victor I haven't heard of...off to google it now :) and Nami :)
KABOO WOLF KING best scotter ever😂
I do love the Wolf...I need to take it out on a long ride now that the weather has warmed up :)
Budget scooter you mean no the best
it's not a budget scooter IMHO :)
My 1200W x2 P1 does 45mph or 72kph so you scooter is slow..Also my scooter would have gone up that hill as if it wasn't there 🙂
I haven't tried the P1 yet...what's it like on the bumps...comfy?
@@TimsElectric I wouldn't say that although it's not the worst..!!!
I would love to try one of the P1s or a P2 :)
My phantom v3 can hit 70kmh on ludo mode