Is Jesus found in the writings of Josephus?
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- Westar scholar Chad Venters begins a new series of videos for Bible Search & Rescue looking at whether Jesus is found outside of the New Testament. This video examines the controversy regarding the presence of Jesus in the writings of Josephus. These short videos are introductions to important topics. Below are works consulted for this video, which are also suggested reading:
Jesus Outside the New Testament by Robert Van Voorst
"The Testimonium Flavianum" by Alice Whealey in A Companion to Josephus, Eds., Chapman and Rodgers
Josephus: The Jewish War, Translated by Martin Hammond
Josephus: The Complete Works, Translated by William Whiston
Ruined by the annoyingly loud, overly dramatic music. Ugh.
Thank you for the feedback, Steve. We are going to experiment to get the sound and tone right, so I hope you'll check out future videos.
This is a great channel.
It's about Him.
Even if the shroud is two thousand years old doesn't prove the image is real
I wish I could listen to you without the music
We'll be adjusting as we go to make the music to audio ratios better. Thank you for your input. :-)
Very insightful synopsis with a very realistic understanding of human nature used as a prism through which to interpret the context. What are your thoughts on the notion that Josephus was involved not long afterwards with a Roman reimagining of the New Testament for reasons of political expediency. I think it was considering the the Flavian agenda using known ancient religious sects and pagan resurrection cults along with anthropomorphisised agricultural myths (apparently widespread at the time) as guidelines along with the old testament? I'm a bit sketchy on details because it was a discussion I had over a decade ago but it's been on my mind lately for some reason.
There really wasn't a New Testament in Josephus' lifetime to be reimagined. However, certain books in the New Testament could be subject to certain Romanization. John Dominic Crossan's new book "Paul the Pharisee" looks at this as various NT authors attempted to tone Paul down with a more modest, Roman friendly take. Check out part 1 of his podcast on the channel from last month.
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Other translations of the first Josephus text give us the following: Jesus... was a teacher of paradoxical (astonishing, startling, surprising) poetics (tricks, feats, works and deeds) to those who gladly accepted his strange (novel, unusual, abnormal) form of truth with pleasure (or delight). Interestingly, this translation also coincides with the ground-breaking critical-historical scholarship of the pioneering luminaries of the Westar Institute - Dom Crossan, Bob Funk, etc. Jesus spoke of the kingdom of God in a poetics of paradox.
needs more parentheticals
“This passage looks interpolated, lets remove few sentences and keep the rest because we are gullible like that.”
Allow me to help. You missed two keys words in the writing of Josephus. "Among Us" Josephus includes himself among the leading men presenting to Pilate. This is suggestive that Josephus was a member of the Sanhedrin (administrative advisor to Roman ruling authority). I will help you down the rabbit hole, where this leads. Joseph, the father of Jesus, Josephus, and Nicodemus were brothers. Joseph was Roman contractor helping build Caesarea after being pillage and burned around 4 BC. Josephus, the Roman General/Historian is the same Josephus of Arimathea. Arimathea is a Jerusalem suburb, so Josephus of the suburbs is an odd Biblical title. Josephus's request for the body of Jesus to be buried in a family site also makes more sense. Josephus was also a Roman general who was relieved of duty in the 70 AD sacking of Jerusalem. "Those who first loved him" would have included his uncles at Jesus's birth/childhood. Jesus's secret meeting makes more sense, if Nicodemus was his uncle. Jesus's open rebellion against Pharisees would have been tolerated, if Jesus had connections to ruling Roman authorities. This history creates problems for early Christianity and had to be obscured. Jesus's near relatives were Roman collaborators. Jesus' uncles were on the panel of his execution. Josephus helped in the killing of Jews during the sack of Jerusalem. Before dismissing this history, do your research. The writings of Josephus is 100% accurate. The writing is perfectly obscure, and there is no reason to fake obscurity.
fan fiction
Like I said. "Do your own research." It's a rabbit into a rabbit hole. Does not change the message of Jesus Christ. As more and more historical data proves the existence of Jesus Christ, then you find more and more about Jesus and his family. Jesus's cousin was John the Baptist. James who become the leader of the church in Jerusalem was his brother. Jesus's relatives are already involved.
Yes Jesus was mentioned in two paragraphs
in the Antiquities of Josephus he interviewed
Two bold Christians in the day. They tried to
convert Josephus. He would have none of
it.
fan fiction
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The Lord Jesus is The Prophet Foretold by Moses
Deuteronomy 18:15-19 - The Foretold Prophet
15 The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
16 According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17 And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
The LORD told Moses that he was going to raise up a Prophet from the midst of Israel who will be like Moses in that he would speak unto the people ALL the God shall command.
The Lord Jesus is/was that prophet foretold by Moses...
John 5:39-47 Jesus of Nazareth tells the Jews, He is That Prophet
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
41 I receive not honour from men.
42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
The Lord Jesus was getting challenged by the Judaeans for things that he had done and said. When they he questioned him, above is the answer he gave in John 5:39-47.
Later, in John 7 the Judaeans marvelled at his doctrine - how could he say and know these things? They were answered by Jesus of Nazareth...
John 7:15-24
15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
20 The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?
21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.
22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Then after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and being seen by more that 500 brethren this occurred in the book of Acts...
Acts 2:14, 22-32 The Apostle Peter Explains to the people..
22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
And in Acts 3:19-23 The Apostle Peter Confirms JESUS as THAT PROPHET
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Then Stephen the Evangelist also confirmed Jesus of Nazareth as THE PROPHET spoken by Moses...
ACTS 7:37-41
37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
39 To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt,
40 Saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us: for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
41 And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.
As THAT PROPHET THE LORD JESUS spake not his own words, but words that came from THE FATHER, THE GOD OF ISRAEL.
The Joseph of Arimathaias who, the Gospels say, provided Christ the Son of Man King Mono Basileus General Simon Iscariot Barabbas Arshakuni Bar Giora Izates II the master Sicarius Zealot King of The Jews with a tomb in Rome AND LINEN CLOTH, was Joseph Bara-matthias the new testament gospel writer Jewish historian Josephus traitor himself brother of Barnabas book of Acts 4:3 , that is to say, Joseph Son of Matthias, the Flavins General Saul Paul Josephus of profane history. In order to hide the real fact of the Identity of the Son of Man of the New Testament with the Bar Gi'ora of actual history, the era of his military activity has been thrown back in the sacred books forty years earlier than the time given in the works of profane writers. The Son of Man believed himself the Liberator of his nation, the Messiah, in the military meaning of the word. He was proclaimed king of the Jews. He assumed the role and the prerogatives of a sovereign. He coined his own money. He essayed to establish a everlasting dynasty upon his eldest son Judas Iscariot ( Simon peter) Eleazar, against which the gates of death should not prevail. His faith in himself, in the divinity of his mission and in the God of his people did not save him from defeat. He risked and lost all. He paid the patriot's price, and met an inglorious end. His triumphal entry was not into city of Jerusalem, but into Rome riding on donkey, where he was given a mock-triumph by the ragamuffins who followed the triumphant General Titus in his procession of pomp in front of millions of romans. The good Samaritan, born within the shadow of the holy Mount Gitta Gerizim Gerasa, this son of Joseph Bar Giora and Queen Helena, the eponymic name of Samaria, the ancient northern kingdom of Israel, which had atoned for the Maccabean defection by outdoing Judah in the vain but valiant attempt to re-establish the dominion of the Great King, this spiritual son of King David, was accorded the form of a trial in Rome, condemned, and crucified hurled from the Tarpeian or Capitoline Rock. The Capit-oYme Rock was the " place of a skull," the Calvary, or Golgotha, of the New Testament in 71. A.D. The Veronica of the Apocryphal Gospels, to whom legend has given the blood-printed portrait of the Jewish military General the Son of Man, was the Berenike Titus mistress, who was almost empress of all Rome, and, with her brother Herod Agrippa II, was in Rome to witness the humiliation and military trial of Christ the king of the Jews and the triumph of his conqueror Titus and his father Vespasian .
One Gospel:
Gospel (GOOD ANGEL) of Reconciliation.
Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom
to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself.
We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness.
If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever.
Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods).
REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.
Interesting, but totally wrong.. good theory.. nothing to back this up
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In Genesis 3:5, the serpent said Ye shall be AS gods.
In John 10:34, Jesus said Ye ARE gods.
Stop believing your father, the devil.
@@qwerty-so6ml we are NOT the sons of God.. but, keep studying, keep knocking , Jesus will show you the way!! We are in , satans little season now, so keep chin up, you'll be alright!! Have a Blessed day
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Whose WE? The angel yoked with a demon.
John 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, WE SEE; therefore your sin remaineth.
What sin remaineth? YOUR SIN of leaving heaven for Satan's flesh party.
REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.
@@Terry-n1i jesus should teach you basic punctuation