Lol, my brilliant words at the end! Forever lost! I think I left the mic case open and we were hearing the other mic, or it died. Whoops. Sorry about that. Nothing mind blowing was said I am sure. Just me saying I like HvZ for all the goofball stuff that comes out.
Taking all the good topics I see. This has definitely been on my mind for a good year. I've always hoped that high fps and competitive games could serve the needs of part of our hobby as I do enjoy having them in my rotation. I worry that many of become infatuated with only this style of play to the point where they make casual/lower fps games less fun and legitimately might have more fun playing airsoft...
We should do another stream sometime, we could probably chat about just this for awhile (and hyper). I enjoy high FPS stuff too, it’s certainly cool and I’m not against it, it just has its moments, and not as many moments as other stuff for me. It’s a good point about airsoft, when you get to a certain FPS, and certain concern about accuracy, WOULD you be happier with an airsoft G? I dunno. And again, there’s nothing wrong with airsoft. I hardly even know what I’m trying to say, other than to shake my first attempt at the clouds and say, remember to have fun too kids! We have all those types of darts, let’s use em!
As someone living in the UK I hear you! There's only one pro blaster available here and it's the X-Shot Longshot. As a result there's basically no pro or competitive scene here. We're playing with family and friends in a back garden or in the house and they are not that big! Pro Nerfing here is a spectator sport, watching all the Americans in UA-cam talk about Adventure Force. Sure, some people import them, or mod their own, but very few.
As someone new to the hobby, I completely agree with all of your points. I blindly bought a nexus pro x seeing how a lot of people were gushing about it & after being tagged by it I realized how potentially harmful it can be without taking safety precautions. Furthermore it made me realize a big part of what makes flinging foam special is anyone can pick up a 70-100 fps blaster without any specialty gear & have a great goofy time. With that said, I really do enjoy the high fps stuff for target shooting, but not for play against other nerfers.
I feel the same TBH. I have so much fun just shooting darts at cans sometimes and they don't have to be 200fps especially in the house. Love this chill video format too!
AMEN! I couldn't agree with you more. The most fun I have had at our local group was running the obscure blasters that no one knew. The night I pulled out my Khaos and its 6 magazines was epic! The younger kids had never seen a ball hose like that. Shortly after that Perses, Nemesis' and Prometheus' started showing up. My favorite goofy blaster has to be the Boomdozer, the everyone loves trying to avoid the big blue meanie darts, they also make great throwables. Like Capt. Xavier has said, if you can't have fun why bother.
Bit of the same here. Fortunately I have now the possibility to attend on 200+ events, that was not the case just 2 years ago. But it started with modded Retaliators, Nexus pro and co. with around 150 FPS. Then it got higher and higher. I got the Harrier and dialled it down from 285 to 200, just not to have the advantage of power, even if you are not a good shot, it definitely is like cheating. Now I will have to get back higher, because Kirins and Seaguls appeared with 300-245 FPS. It is hard to keep up with this. My concern is not this anyway, surprisingly, but now AEGs come in the picture with full auto on 200… it just makes everything airsoft like. But i am fully a short dart fan, it is just frustrating to shoot visibly 2 meters left or right with those fishtailing horror elite darts :)
Gimmie Gimmicks any day every day. Pro things are fine and dandy, but it's all pump grip springer and fly wheeler mag-in-grip. This hobby is about fun, so let's have more of the *fun* things. I personally like modding a fun blaster to 100 or so than bothering with the pro things, making the effort we once made to actually accomplish some noteworthy results just feels better to me.
I agree with you, friend. Can't keep harping on high fps all the time, there is a time for high ones and a time for low fps and casual games. I hosts casual games at a community center once a month on Sunday. Max velocity capped at 130 fps. Families and any first timers are welcome. Casual games; you make goofy game rules, everyone play and laugh. Too many hgh FPS games can sometimes end up dissuade new players to join. At worst, they swore off foam blasting.
I love the occasional inaccuracy or unpredictability after 25-30ft. My hook into this was the thrill of being able to narrowly dodge a dart. People often mention FPS caps but I dont think that alone is sufficient. It certainly doesnt capture or protect the play style I enjoy.
I agree maritime foam, I have alot of nerf blasters in my collection like dart tag, zombiestrike, elite, Fortnite, vortex and rebelle and most of these blasters are stock and unmodded but I do have some modded blasters but like the low or stock FPS for plinking in the house or at targets🤷🏼♂️👍🏻 I do have the new venom pro and it’s awesome but man it shoots hard and would hurt a child!
I have been saying this for YEARS! Maybe somebody will listen to you because nobody's listening to me. The more pro we become the more we lose the anonymity and the core of our hobby. Toys. We play with TOYS! And we get to do it wherever we want because their toys. That's just the start of it
I agree with you 100% that there is an over saturated market when it comes to pro blasters. Somewhat related and I’d love your opinion on this: most stock blasters can shoot fine if you have new darts otherwise the dart just plops out and is a terrible play experience. The “pro” stuff out there using sealed breaches allows darts to work pretty well almost regardless of the darts age. For example: What about a x-shot rev 6 that had straight or a lot less tapered barrels and a slightly longer body so you could have a slightly stronger/lomger spring while maintaining the ease of the prime. These two changes bringing the rev6 to 100 fps would make it amazing. On your other video you mentioned that front load blisters are great for kids and as someone who runs casual stuff for kids I agree. Stock blasters only seem to work with new darts otherwise they are more frustrating than fun. Would love your thoughts
Maritime Great video. I agree with your take. We got into Nerf and always played with stock blasters when my kiddos were little and then as they got older we moved on to pro blasters. However our game last weekend had stock blasters only battles to start the day and wow what a blast. I do like the spicy pro games they are awesome but it was so much fun getting back to what the three of us fell in love with. Keep up the great work. Really like the fire side chat format.
I feel that kids overestimate how safe foam blasters are, likr if it shoots foam then its perfectly safe to fire at people without eye protection. If only kids treated them like real steel.
I agree 100%. I always make kids at events and parties try and obey the same rules as if it were Airsoft or yes, real steel too. A dart can seriously mess up your eye :)
I hear ya! My local Nerf group only plays outdoors in public parks, so pro spec blasters are helpful for the longer ranges we play at, but I'll admit I'm getting a little fatigued by the FPS creep. Anything over 150 FPS just heckin' hurts to get by and being in pain definitely takes some of the fun out of the game, so I'm not a fan of all the 200 FPS blasters floating around now; and it doesn't help that my local group has no FPS cap whatsoever. In any case, I'm pretty happy with my Tomcat that I downgraded to around 145 FPS with a 788 spring and my MK-II for a sidearm. At this point the only thing that might interest me in a pro blaster is a flywheel version of the Tomcat, but short of that I'm good on the pro stuff. On a more positive note though, man do I ever love that new Desperado! It feels like a perfect sidearm to go with my Villainator, or any feel length dart primary you might want to run! Such a cool and fun little blaster ❤
And almost as proof of my point I walked into a thrift store after posting that last comment and found a DZ Max Stryker in excellent condition for $2. Yep, too many problems blasters these days. I have also thrifted 2 nexus pros in the last 6 months, one of which was all decked out with aftermarket parts and internals.
UNO's big events and our locals have always been 250fps, but recently many of the locals are dropping to max 200fps. We're hoping to experiment with play that is less bunkering and people moving more.
There's room in my life for both, we run 100fps and 150fps games locally and I have tons of fun doing both. Another local group does 100, 150 and 200, but barely anyone even has 200fps blasters. I keep blasters running the gamut between 80-150 fps, so I'm equipped for any local caps. I like bringing rival to 100fps or less games, helps even the playing field between me and smaller kids since its less accurate. I made it to the end lol. We strongly encourage people bring out the weird stuff for 100fps or less, it'd be so boring if it was all perses and stryfes as far as the eye can see.
Love this, sounds very in line with what I think I would do! Again, I am not here to say there is a wrong way to do anything, just... blabbing for views? lol
Not yet! We still don't have Buzz Bee Pro yet! Kidding aside, we do still get some cool stuff like the Desperado and Twist Fury, but yeah some more stuff would be nice.
I'm still new to the hobby, I've only been to one day at Fort Borst. I agree with a lot you said about high FPS games being unfriendly to casuals; I had a great time during most of the day but was completely uninterested in doing the 200 FPS lunchtime speed rounds. I also understand that not everyone has access to a 100 meter long outdoor playfield where high FPS blasters make sense. Most of my play with my Nexus Pro X is plinking in the backyard at about 20 meters to target. The default 200 FPS spring is just about right for me there. I once put in the Dart Zone high power spring and it was way too much for my purposes. I can't really imagine ever playing a game with that power level. FWIW last month at Borst they ran one game of "full-length hammer primed blaster only HvZ." Basically Hammershots only. It was hilarious. Given the proliferation of types of blasters I think it would be cool to come up with more gear-restricted games. Maybe a "Rival-only" game or a "full length only" game, to break up the streak of detuned pro-level half dart blaster games.
Agree! Variety is good! I'm not advocating for high FPS stuff to go away or anything, just like, a reminder of what makes the hobby so accessible for everyone! I actually think 160 FPS is just about perfect. Easily achieved via mod, gives some wiggle room if we go over 150 lol, more distance but pain isn't too bad.
@maritimefoam I couldn't agree more! I was introduced to some fun objective based games at the last 160 war. These games definitely ran smoother with less "nerf snipers" and required teams to be more aggressive with getting in close. Never the less I love these fire side chats and it sparks good conversations. Almost like a "change my mind", type of talk.
I get your thoughts, I really do. HvZ has become my favorite game type. As such, I can either detune “pro” level blasters or modify the elite standard blasters to at least a respectable fps. 120-130fps seems like a nice sweet spot.
At a certain point my pro blasters have started collecting dust and nowadays it’s the weak quiet stringers that actually get use for my casual fidget/plinking around the house needs.
Rip elite darts, I miss them 😢 I got to the end. I hear what you're saying, for me at least, my fun comes from making stuff as powerful as i can, swapping out barrels and springs. I still have some stock blasters, I just don't use them...ever. i still appreciate stock and lower-powered blasters, that is what brought me into the hobby, as well as many others. I think your dog got the mic or something at the end lol
Similarly all the R&D is going into high fps blasters. There are vast swaths of untapped ideas out there with nerf. Would love to see more durable full length darts. Similar composition to either siren darts or the DZ nitro darts
Love the fireside athmosphere of these vids. It fits the theme of being open and dare-I-say even ranty 😅 Be the change you want to see, I would always say. Want more goofball? Be a goofy-goober 😂
I'm a collector and a plinker . I own from very low fps blasters to high fps blasters . People kept bashing me like "it's better to spend your money on seagull harrier blablabla" like okay ??? Idc much about those because I don't use em for games . I've been quite busy and can't join games . I just enjoy spending my free time shooting at targets , just do some reload ASMRs . I do have my sweet spot in terms of fps which is around HVZ level . But honestly I don't really care much about all the pro stuffs for games . Yeah it's cool with the BCARs , I also own couple of BCARs , I own bunch of dart types , I do mod my blasters to bump up the fps , but do you really have to bash me for collecting stuffs that I love and keep saying buy seagull buy seagull buy harrier why waste money on junk blasters ? I already own a pink kirin and that's enough . I can turn my kirin into an almost 300fps kirin if I want to but I decided not to do it . I enjoy using it around 100ish fps . I own quite few N series also . I love collecting jolts . It's just that idk , I feel frustrated with all these "pro" stuffs . Idk how to say it but hope you get my point
I agree I am a collector and plinker of nerf, I have alot of blasters like my prize possession, my rayven stinger but most of my blasters are stock FPS and do have some dart zone blasters which I love shooting at targets in the house (I have one room for collecting and one room dedicated as the target room and have my airsoft gun collection in there as well) and just got the new venom pro and it’s amazing but man it shoots hard and would hurt a child!
And I agree, I have stopped chasing the high end fps stuff…..I thought it was because I rarely get to play at that fps, but maybe I just like the low fps stuff….
Honestly, I remember a Nerf UA-camr ( I think a Philips? Idk) talking about the JingZhe Awakening, and although that's a pretty high performance blaster (200 some odd fps, easily moddable to 300 I'm sure) it's also not a competition blaster because it's a one-shot wonder. He mentioned that it honestly brought something new to the game and actually felt really fun! And then I realized that a competition for one shot blasters would honestly be REALLY fun! Even without FPS limits it brings something new because there's no real fire rate unless you bring a Blackbeard costume and fire off 5 Jolts in a general direction (which is fun anyways so there's that too)! But yeah, even with higher powered pro blasters being more available now I still think there's a time and a place, and I certainly wouldn't recommend bringing an X-Shot Longshot to a game where kids are running N-Series blasters. I think categorizing blasters and fps ranges into stock elite, HvZ, stock pro and full power is a good solution. Especially so I can make a custom Mega XL hand cannon in the style of the JingZhe and make sure it's within proper FPS limits for public use, then make several more of them and hand them out for kicks and giggles at a local Nerf war 🤠
People find their way in the hobby towards what speaks to them. And I think it's good that we have that breadth of playtypes. I like a blend of the silly and the serious. Getting good with a good blaster is fun, and getting away with dumb plays with a dumb blaster is fun. Dart blasting has always been seen as childish and in a way. For better or for worse, the competitive scene needs to take itself seriously to gain legitimacy. And I think it there will always be a difference between airsoft, paintball, and dart blasting. Capacity is such a big deal in how games are played. In paintball you can top off you gun without ever stopping your constant spray of paintballs because it is an HPA hopper. Airsoft has hundreds, if not thousands of rounds onboard with a fully automatic AEG. Nerf has springers and flywheels, both with strengths and weaknesses. And at most you have a few dozen rounds of ammo in total split up amongst your mags. I don't think that is going to change much even with higher and higher FPS.
High fps vs low fps doesn’t really impact my enjoyment of the hobby. As long as everyone is evenly matched then I am good. I find the field layout, and game mode has a larger impact on my overall enjoyment.
I 100% completely agree with you Anthony. I already have several blasters that hit over 200 and a few that hit over 300. I can use any of them when I play with the kids so why do I need more???
I appreciate the pro performance blasters existing, but... I don't really have much interest in them. They all seem kind of the same. For instance, what is realistically the difference between the nexus pro x and... idk, the worker harrier? Or the gameface trion? Hardly any differences at all as far as I can tell. Or hell, how many magazine fed semi-auto pro performance flywheelers, 3d printed or otherwise, are there at this point? It's all kinda same-y to me. I actually prefer non-pro blasters, as wierd as that may sound. Yeah, a lot of those are similar too, but usually they'll have a unique apearance to stand out from the crowd. And there's always blaster with unique quirks out there too. I mean, the x-shot insanity mad mega barrel for instance is something you'd never see if pro performance blasters were the only ones in existance. It's also kind of annoying to constantly see people claim a blaster "sucks" just because it doesn't have the capacity to compete with pro blasters, or that elite 2.0 should have been a pro line. This just completely misses the point of the blasters existing in the first place; to be fun. I don't care that the motoblitz doesn't hit 150 fps. I don't care that an x-shot skins dread is too large to use as a secondary. I don't even care that an eaglepoint is so big with it only having 8 shots. They weren't made with pro games in mind. They were suposed to be fun to play with. And if people have fun playing with those blasters... then I'd argue they do exactly what they're suposed to do. Gosh, this is such a long comment, I got a little carried away there, sorry!
As this hobby grows in number of participants, I see the divide between the different parts of it growing bigger. I hope I'm wrong. I also think with all of the nerftubers I watch all getting to the point of 'how many more mag-fed-pump-action-springers do we need' / '200fps is too high' I think that we are reaching the triplepoint of accessibility/ cost/ power. As I sit with my thoughts for a response to this I see how these videos become 15 minutes. Love the work, keep it coming.
Hi, for are events we have a cap of around 200 Fps, we Play an indoor field. We mix a lot of type of blasters and we got players that use 100 Fps, it's fun to have that kind of mix. I often use my modded rampage or delta trooper. If one Day you have a chance to come to Québec, we have monthly Games in Montreal, the group is call Foam-tag Québec, you are more than welcome to come play 🙂, take care and keep up the great work, i really like those kind if chill videos.
I did get to the end 😄 This is the reason why we've been running a nerf family night at the laser tag arena and a hobby night. And to be honest, we've had more people show up to family night. It's all fun and it shouldn't be always about the FPS chase. The younger kids just want to have fun and they really don't want it to hurt. I enjoy the 150 fps games but I enjoy the family games and kid games just as much.
👋🏽😺✌🏽Peace Brother..Great topic + very important points to hear from someone with your status and level of involvement in the hobby to speak on..Much Respect for putting this out there🙏🏽
I think I’m split down the middle on it. On one hand, I absolutely adore the 150-180 fps games I’ve gone to, but on the other hand at those games I recognize how much more difficult it would be to run any of the more goofy classical blasters that I have a soft spot for.
This is extremely real, I've only bought 2 "pro" level blasters, and it's the dictator and outlaw, specifically because they have cool gimmicks, I think it's great that we have comp ready pump action mag fed springers for 50 bucks on store shelves but there's space for so many cool things that aren't just comp blasters. Maybe it's the pro branding that's locked PTT/Dart Zone into not straying too far from the standard formula, but I've loved the result every time they have. Hopefully future entries will be sillier, and the stryker 2.0 having a funny gimmick in the mixed ammo feed I think is a step in the right direction, though I think they can go further.
At my local group, we primarily play 250 fps outdoors for normal gamemodes, but sometimes, we’ll have pistols only at 150 fps or gimmick rounds under 100 fps. Doing these once in a while really brings a change of pace and has its own kind of fun, so I think having variety is what works best for us.
Ive been over them for awhile. My boys are both under 10 so we are years away from me getting to smack them upside their beautiful little heads w darts shot from my pro blasters. I still enjoy making stuff hit harder but never getting to really use them is killing me and the fun. The desperado came at a great time for playing w them. PRO has killed the chance of getting many if any more cool themes from nerf. Xshot it trying but i dont see many weird lines of blasters coming around anytime soon. And i agree w the paintball comparison. Ive never wanted to play w a paint hose or milsim weirdos. Im in it for the kids my kids
Great video and better discustion! which I feel most are hyping "pro" 150FPS+, accurate, half dart balsters is... They are new and bring nerf inline with other shooting sports... I love my desprato and Trion alot, they both got me back into the hobby after a break with airsoft and my off and on relationship with VR. But they both scare me to death and both need eyepro/emise respect. Why the despy has no safety of anykind and it's hard not to realod it barrel pointed at eye... Takes alot of displine to not do that... it's an 8+ $8 blaster... On the other hadnd the troin has a safety but to make it acrate out of the box you need to add stiock moded spacer to make it 200fps... The joules it puts out is intense luckly you can get a scar to my the 140FPS hit things... Which the despy I love because it's a common real steel concpt done well and trulies sequals the mavick my favoite nerf balaster and the trion fixs what I hate about nerf and airsoft... You don't miss you gun/dart does... Hard to get reps in if your equipment is the weaklink.
Yeah I'm very much the same. I'd be more interested in pro if they weren't all the same. Pro is just boring because it's all the same pump action magfed thing. I wish someone would do something different. People are actually crying out for rocket launchers, shotguns, boltaction snipers... grenade shell things. There's still a huge market for gimmicks too. Like my favourite blasters are not the harrier or the trion, it's stuff like the bread machine and the gl-06. Silly things. As I said... I go away from pump action and I love to use the apx. People look at me weird when I say it but I prefer the apx over anything else. I see what coop got tired of. There's no real fun in the hobby anymore everyones just running the same blaster. Nerf is becoming like paintball...
I really don't like the way that toys are going these days. Two companies that come to mind are hasbro and lego. All we are seeing these days are boring non creative designs, lack luster play features, and most of all EXPENSIVE toys. Like why are these things so expensive and boring when they are meant for kids. Plain bland cookie cutter designs without the main thing that people loved, fun.
Wait, what do you disagree with? I’m just saying I am personally pro blastered out, I don’t fault them for existing. People buy em, that’s great. I’m just saying leave room for lower cap and variety of play.
@@maritimefoam How can you be when their are the niche minoity? It's not like airsoft where the AR-15 and AK replicas have rained suprime for adacde now...
1:36 wgat like airsoft,bb and real steel? Like I buaght my first airsoft guns at 13 years old from walmart of the gun section self and I'm 29 years old now... Like I really don't see a big deal... Which remeber it took nearly 300 years for most states to get strict on age limits with some real steel and nerf is nerf your not going to war with it so who cares?
@@maritimefoam Like right now I can go to my local Walmart and buy an Airsoft, BB and AR-15 off the self at Walmart here in Floirda with that AR-15 fully caple of fighting a reeal war all I need is be over 18 years old and have a clean record... If the "Shoot your eye out" campaign comes for Nerf guns why would they jump over Airsoft guns and BB guns and go to or as suggested over above the level needed to get an war fighting gun at least is some states?
@@maritimefoam also at 1:36 you say that like astriliia isn't trying to ban airsoft and nerf anyway without a major incednt... So yeah I don't get your point... Like if canda wants to ban nerf for being in to many sacry scifi movies it will like t did with anything mall ninja related it will.
Our group raised the FPS cap to 240 soft, 250 hard… it was 200 before that. I thought it was a little too high at 200 because we have Littles playing with 14+… now… I’m uncomfortable with it. I personally love higher fps games, but not with Littles unless they are already using equal/similar arms…
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Lol, my brilliant words at the end! Forever lost! I think I left the mic case open and we were hearing the other mic, or it died. Whoops. Sorry about that. Nothing mind blowing was said I am sure. Just me saying I like HvZ for all the goofball stuff that comes out.
Taking all the good topics I see. This has definitely been on my mind for a good year. I've always hoped that high fps and competitive games could serve the needs of part of our hobby as I do enjoy having them in my rotation. I worry that many of become infatuated with only this style of play to the point where they make casual/lower fps games less fun and legitimately might have more fun playing airsoft...
We should do another stream sometime, we could probably chat about just this for awhile (and hyper). I enjoy high FPS stuff too, it’s certainly cool and I’m not against it, it just has its moments, and not as many moments as other stuff for me.
It’s a good point about airsoft, when you get to a certain FPS, and certain concern about accuracy, WOULD you be happier with an airsoft G? I dunno. And again, there’s nothing wrong with airsoft. I hardly even know what I’m trying to say, other than to shake my first attempt at the clouds and say, remember to have fun too kids! We have all those types of darts, let’s use em!
As someone living in the UK I hear you! There's only one pro blaster available here and it's the X-Shot Longshot. As a result there's basically no pro or competitive scene here. We're playing with family and friends in a back garden or in the house and they are not that big! Pro Nerfing here is a spectator sport, watching all the Americans in UA-cam talk about Adventure Force. Sure, some people import them, or mod their own, but very few.
This is why my club has stock-only rounds. I ran around with a Desperado and a handful of darts and had a blast
Sounds super fun to me!
Keep foam flinging fun! And let's not forget these things started as toys!
As someone new to the hobby, I completely agree with all of your points. I blindly bought a nexus pro x seeing how a lot of people were gushing about it & after being tagged by it I realized how potentially harmful it can be without taking safety precautions. Furthermore it made me realize a big part of what makes flinging foam special is anyone can pick up a 70-100 fps blaster without any specialty gear & have a great goofy time. With that said, I really do enjoy the high fps stuff for target shooting, but not for play against other nerfers.
I feel the same TBH. I have so much fun just shooting darts at cans sometimes and they don't have to be 200fps especially in the house. Love this chill video format too!
AMEN! I couldn't agree with you more. The most fun I have had at our local group was running the obscure blasters that no one knew. The night I pulled out my Khaos and its 6 magazines was epic! The younger kids had never seen a ball hose like that. Shortly after that Perses, Nemesis' and Prometheus' started showing up. My favorite goofy blaster has to be the Boomdozer, the everyone loves trying to avoid the big blue meanie darts, they also make great throwables. Like Capt. Xavier has said, if you can't have fun why bother.
Bit of the same here. Fortunately I have now the possibility to attend on 200+ events, that was not the case just 2 years ago. But it started with modded Retaliators, Nexus pro and co. with around 150 FPS. Then it got higher and higher. I got the Harrier and dialled it down from 285 to 200, just not to have the advantage of power, even if you are not a good shot, it definitely is like cheating. Now I will have to get back higher, because Kirins and Seaguls appeared with 300-245 FPS. It is hard to keep up with this. My concern is not this anyway, surprisingly, but now AEGs come in the picture with full auto on 200… it just makes everything airsoft like.
But i am fully a short dart fan, it is just frustrating to shoot visibly 2 meters left or right with those fishtailing horror elite darts :)
Honestly, I agree. It feels like people are forgetting that these are toys and they for some reason want blasters to hurt whoever gets hit.
Gimmie Gimmicks any day every day. Pro things are fine and dandy, but it's all pump grip springer and fly wheeler mag-in-grip. This hobby is about fun, so let's have more of the *fun* things. I personally like modding a fun blaster to 100 or so than bothering with the pro things, making the effort we once made to actually accomplish some noteworthy results just feels better to me.
I like low fps games more becuase you can get more into peoples faces leading to more intense in the moment gameplay unlike painball and airsoft.
I agree with you, friend. Can't keep harping on high fps all the time, there is a time for high ones and a time for low fps and casual games.
I hosts casual games at a community center once a month on Sunday.
Max velocity capped at 130 fps. Families and any first timers are welcome.
Casual games; you make goofy game rules, everyone play and laugh.
Too many hgh FPS games can sometimes end up dissuade new players to join.
At worst, they swore off foam blasting.
I love the occasional inaccuracy or unpredictability after 25-30ft. My hook into this was the thrill of being able to narrowly dodge a dart.
People often mention FPS caps but I dont think that alone is sufficient. It certainly doesnt capture or protect the play style I enjoy.
Love the silly goofy blasters the most! And if they have toy qualities and/or gimmicks, even better!
I agree 100% !! Gimmicks > Pro any day. i can tell you I heard more laughing and good times during awfuls rounds during any of the other ones .
I agree maritime foam, I have alot of nerf blasters in my collection like dart tag, zombiestrike, elite, Fortnite, vortex and rebelle and most of these blasters are stock and unmodded but I do have some modded blasters but like the low or stock FPS for plinking in the house or at targets🤷🏼♂️👍🏻 I do have the new venom pro and it’s awesome but man it shoots hard and would hurt a child!
I have been saying this for YEARS! Maybe somebody will listen to you because nobody's listening to me. The more pro we become the more we lose the anonymity and the core of our hobby. Toys. We play with TOYS! And we get to do it wherever we want because their toys. That's just the start of it
I've neen saying the same. Dw bud. I got into this for the goofy nature of the hobby.
I agree with you 100% that there is an over saturated market when it comes to pro blasters. Somewhat related and I’d love your opinion on this: most stock blasters can shoot fine if you have new darts otherwise the dart just plops out and is a terrible play experience. The “pro” stuff out there using sealed breaches allows darts to work pretty well almost regardless of the darts age. For example: What about a x-shot rev 6 that had straight or a lot less tapered barrels and a slightly longer body so you could have a slightly stronger/lomger spring while maintaining the ease of the prime. These two changes bringing the rev6 to 100 fps would make it amazing. On your other video you mentioned that front load blisters are great for kids and as someone who runs casual stuff for kids I agree. Stock blasters only seem to work with new darts otherwise they are more frustrating than fun. Would love your thoughts
Maritime
Great video. I agree with your take. We got into Nerf and always played with stock blasters when my kiddos were little and then as they got older we moved on to pro blasters. However our game last weekend had stock blasters only battles to start the day and wow what a blast. I do like the spicy pro games they are awesome but it was so much fun getting back to what the three of us fell in love with. Keep up the great work. Really like the fire side chat format.
I feel that kids overestimate how safe foam blasters are, likr if it shoots foam then its perfectly safe to fire at people without eye protection. If only kids treated them like real steel.
I agree 100%. I always make kids at events and parties try and obey the same rules as if it were Airsoft or yes, real steel too. A dart can seriously mess up your eye :)
I hear ya! My local Nerf group only plays outdoors in public parks, so pro spec blasters are helpful for the longer ranges we play at, but I'll admit I'm getting a little fatigued by the FPS creep. Anything over 150 FPS just heckin' hurts to get by and being in pain definitely takes some of the fun out of the game, so I'm not a fan of all the 200 FPS blasters floating around now; and it doesn't help that my local group has no FPS cap whatsoever. In any case, I'm pretty happy with my Tomcat that I downgraded to around 145 FPS with a 788 spring and my MK-II for a sidearm. At this point the only thing that might interest me in a pro blaster is a flywheel version of the Tomcat, but short of that I'm good on the pro stuff.
On a more positive note though, man do I ever love that new Desperado! It feels like a perfect sidearm to go with my Villainator, or any feel length dart primary you might want to run! Such a cool and fun little blaster ❤
Honestly -- I just want Roughcut Pro
Heck yeah!!!!!!!
And almost as proof of my point I walked into a thrift store after posting that last comment and found a DZ Max Stryker in excellent condition for $2. Yep, too many problems blasters these days. I have also thrifted 2 nexus pros in the last 6 months, one of which was all decked out with aftermarket parts and internals.
UNO's big events and our locals have always been 250fps, but recently many of the locals are dropping to max 200fps. We're hoping to experiment with play that is less bunkering and people moving more.
There's room in my life for both, we run 100fps and 150fps games locally and I have tons of fun doing both. Another local group does 100, 150 and 200, but barely anyone even has 200fps blasters. I keep blasters running the gamut between 80-150 fps, so I'm equipped for any local caps. I like bringing rival to 100fps or less games, helps even the playing field between me and smaller kids since its less accurate. I made it to the end lol. We strongly encourage people bring out the weird stuff for 100fps or less, it'd be so boring if it was all perses and stryfes as far as the eye can see.
Love this, sounds very in line with what I think I would do! Again, I am not here to say there is a wrong way to do anything, just... blabbing for views? lol
Not yet! We still don't have Buzz Bee Pro yet! Kidding aside, we do still get some cool stuff like the Desperado and Twist Fury, but yeah some more stuff would be nice.
I'm still new to the hobby, I've only been to one day at Fort Borst. I agree with a lot you said about high FPS games being unfriendly to casuals; I had a great time during most of the day but was completely uninterested in doing the 200 FPS lunchtime speed rounds. I also understand that not everyone has access to a 100 meter long outdoor playfield where high FPS blasters make sense.
Most of my play with my Nexus Pro X is plinking in the backyard at about 20 meters to target. The default 200 FPS spring is just about right for me there. I once put in the Dart Zone high power spring and it was way too much for my purposes. I can't really imagine ever playing a game with that power level.
FWIW last month at Borst they ran one game of "full-length hammer primed blaster only HvZ." Basically Hammershots only. It was hilarious. Given the proliferation of types of blasters I think it would be cool to come up with more gear-restricted games. Maybe a "Rival-only" game or a "full length only" game, to break up the streak of detuned pro-level half dart blaster games.
It's nice our hobby has so many possibilities when it comes to FPS.
One of our groups dropped 1 of their monthly events from 200 fps to 160 fps.
Agree! Variety is good! I'm not advocating for high FPS stuff to go away or anything, just like, a reminder of what makes the hobby so accessible for everyone! I actually think 160 FPS is just about perfect. Easily achieved via mod, gives some wiggle room if we go over 150 lol, more distance but pain isn't too bad.
@maritimefoam I couldn't agree more! I was introduced to some fun objective based games at the last 160 war. These games definitely ran smoother with less "nerf snipers" and required teams to be more aggressive with getting in close.
Never the less I love these fire side chats and it sparks good conversations. Almost like a "change my mind", type of talk.
I get your thoughts, I really do. HvZ has become my favorite game type. As such, I can either detune “pro” level blasters or modify the elite standard blasters to at least a respectable fps. 120-130fps seems like a nice sweet spot.
At a certain point my pro blasters have started collecting dust and nowadays it’s the weak quiet stringers that actually get use for my casual fidget/plinking around the house needs.
Rip elite darts, I miss them 😢
I got to the end.
I hear what you're saying, for me at least, my fun comes from making stuff as powerful as i can, swapping out barrels and springs. I still have some stock blasters, I just don't use them...ever. i still appreciate stock and lower-powered blasters, that is what brought me into the hobby, as well as many others.
I think your dog got the mic or something at the end lol
Lol, mic died or something! And hey, I DO NOT disparage anyone for loving high FPS or modding, at all! Just you know, lets all stay goofballs!
Similarly all the R&D is going into high fps blasters. There are vast swaths of untapped ideas out there with nerf. Would love to see more durable full length darts. Similar composition to either siren darts or the DZ nitro darts
Vortex
Love the fireside athmosphere of these vids. It fits the theme of being open and dare-I-say even ranty 😅
Be the change you want to see, I would always say. Want more goofball? Be a goofy-goober 😂
Thanks! And I try to be as goofy as can be haha.
I'm a collector and a plinker . I own from very low fps blasters to high fps blasters . People kept bashing me like "it's better to spend your money on seagull harrier blablabla" like okay ??? Idc much about those because I don't use em for games . I've been quite busy and can't join games . I just enjoy spending my free time shooting at targets , just do some reload ASMRs . I do have my sweet spot in terms of fps which is around HVZ level . But honestly I don't really care much about all the pro stuffs for games . Yeah it's cool with the BCARs , I also own couple of BCARs , I own bunch of dart types , I do mod my blasters to bump up the fps , but do you really have to bash me for collecting stuffs that I love and keep saying buy seagull buy seagull buy harrier why waste money on junk blasters ? I already own a pink kirin and that's enough . I can turn my kirin into an almost 300fps kirin if I want to but I decided not to do it . I enjoy using it around 100ish fps . I own quite few N series also . I love collecting jolts . It's just that idk , I feel frustrated with all these "pro" stuffs . Idk how to say it but hope you get my point
I agree I am a collector and plinker of nerf, I have alot of blasters like my prize possession, my rayven stinger but most of my blasters are stock FPS and do have some dart zone blasters which I love shooting at targets in the house (I have one room for collecting and one room dedicated as the target room and have my airsoft gun collection in there as well) and just got the new venom pro and it’s amazing but man it shoots hard and would hurt a child!
And I agree, I have stopped chasing the high end fps stuff…..I thought it was because I rarely get to play at that fps, but maybe I just like the low fps stuff….
Honestly, I remember a Nerf UA-camr ( I think a Philips? Idk) talking about the JingZhe Awakening, and although that's a pretty high performance blaster (200 some odd fps, easily moddable to 300 I'm sure) it's also not a competition blaster because it's a one-shot wonder. He mentioned that it honestly brought something new to the game and actually felt really fun! And then I realized that a competition for one shot blasters would honestly be REALLY fun! Even without FPS limits it brings something new because there's no real fire rate unless you bring a Blackbeard costume and fire off 5 Jolts in a general direction (which is fun anyways so there's that too)!
But yeah, even with higher powered pro blasters being more available now I still think there's a time and a place, and I certainly wouldn't recommend bringing an X-Shot Longshot to a game where kids are running N-Series blasters. I think categorizing blasters and fps ranges into stock elite, HvZ, stock pro and full power is a good solution. Especially so I can make a custom Mega XL hand cannon in the style of the JingZhe and make sure it's within proper FPS limits for public use, then make several more of them and hand them out for kicks and giggles at a local Nerf war 🤠
People find their way in the hobby towards what speaks to them. And I think it's good that we have that breadth of playtypes. I like a blend of the silly and the serious. Getting good with a good blaster is fun, and getting away with dumb plays with a dumb blaster is fun.
Dart blasting has always been seen as childish and in a way. For better or for worse, the competitive scene needs to take itself seriously to gain legitimacy.
And I think it there will always be a difference between airsoft, paintball, and dart blasting. Capacity is such a big deal in how games are played. In paintball you can top off you gun without ever stopping your constant spray of paintballs because it is an HPA hopper. Airsoft has hundreds, if not thousands of rounds onboard with a fully automatic AEG. Nerf has springers and flywheels, both with strengths and weaknesses. And at most you have a few dozen rounds of ammo in total split up amongst your mags. I don't think that is going to change much even with higher and higher FPS.
don't know about a roughcut, but I understand. I have a wall of 4Victory, and i love them more than almost anything else in my collection.
makes sense everyone plays differently
It’s a little sad that the default for “Pro” or “Competition” in foam blasting is to emulate that speedball feel, when the roots are a lot more silly.
Yeah, I agree!
High fps vs low fps doesn’t really impact my enjoyment of the hobby. As long as everyone is evenly matched then I am good. I find the field layout, and game mode has a larger impact on my overall enjoyment.
I like all your videos, but I do like these easy going, laid back chats that you do lol
Glad you like them!
I 100% completely agree with you Anthony. I already have several blasters that hit over 200 and a few that hit over 300. I can use any of them when I play with the kids so why do I need more???
I appreciate the pro performance blasters existing, but... I don't really have much interest in them.
They all seem kind of the same. For instance, what is realistically the difference between the nexus pro x and... idk, the worker harrier? Or the gameface trion? Hardly any differences at all as far as I can tell. Or hell, how many magazine fed semi-auto pro performance flywheelers, 3d printed or otherwise, are there at this point? It's all kinda same-y to me.
I actually prefer non-pro blasters, as wierd as that may sound. Yeah, a lot of those are similar too, but usually they'll have a unique apearance to stand out from the crowd. And there's always blaster with unique quirks out there too. I mean, the x-shot insanity mad mega barrel for instance is something you'd never see if pro performance blasters were the only ones in existance.
It's also kind of annoying to constantly see people claim a blaster "sucks" just because it doesn't have the capacity to compete with pro blasters, or that elite 2.0 should have been a pro line. This just completely misses the point of the blasters existing in the first place; to be fun. I don't care that the motoblitz doesn't hit 150 fps. I don't care that an x-shot skins dread is too large to use as a secondary. I don't even care that an eaglepoint is so big with it only having 8 shots.
They weren't made with pro games in mind. They were suposed to be fun to play with. And if people have fun playing with those blasters... then I'd argue they do exactly what they're suposed to do.
Gosh, this is such a long comment, I got a little carried away there, sorry!
As this hobby grows in number of participants, I see the divide between the different parts of it growing bigger. I hope I'm wrong.
I also think with all of the nerftubers I watch all getting to the point of 'how many more mag-fed-pump-action-springers do we need' / '200fps is too high' I think that we are reaching the triplepoint of accessibility/ cost/ power.
As I sit with my thoughts for a response to this I see how these videos become 15 minutes. Love the work, keep it coming.
Hi, for are events we have a cap of around 200 Fps, we Play an indoor field. We mix a lot of type of blasters and we got players that use 100 Fps, it's fun to have that kind of mix. I often use my modded rampage or delta trooper.
If one Day you have a chance to come to Québec, we have monthly Games in Montreal, the group is call Foam-tag Québec, you are more than welcome to come play 🙂, take care and keep up the great work, i really like those kind if chill videos.
I did get to the end 😄 This is the reason why we've been running a nerf family night at the laser tag arena and a hobby night. And to be honest, we've had more people show up to family night. It's all fun and it shouldn't be always about the FPS chase. The younger kids just want to have fun and they really don't want it to hurt. I enjoy the 150 fps games but I enjoy the family games and kid games just as much.
I feel the same way , I prefer hvz to super stock performance. To me it’s more engaging and funner
High fps is too much for playing around in the house, office, or backyard, I'll take a lightly modded blaster anytime
👋🏽😺✌🏽Peace Brother..Great topic + very important points to hear from someone with your status and level of involvement in the hobby to speak on..Much Respect for putting this out there🙏🏽
I think I’m split down the middle on it. On one hand, I absolutely adore the 150-180 fps games I’ve gone to, but on the other hand at those games I recognize how much more difficult it would be to run any of the more goofy classical blasters that I have a soft spot for.
This is extremely real, I've only bought 2 "pro" level blasters, and it's the dictator and outlaw, specifically because they have cool gimmicks, I think it's great that we have comp ready pump action mag fed springers for 50 bucks on store shelves but there's space for so many cool things that aren't just comp blasters. Maybe it's the pro branding that's locked PTT/Dart Zone into not straying too far from the standard formula, but I've loved the result every time they have. Hopefully future entries will be sillier, and the stryker 2.0 having a funny gimmick in the mixed ammo feed I think is a step in the right direction, though I think they can go further.
At my local group, we primarily play 250 fps outdoors for normal gamemodes, but sometimes, we’ll have pistols only at 150 fps or gimmick rounds under 100 fps. Doing these once in a while really brings a change of pace and has its own kind of fun, so I think having variety is what works best for us.
Thanks for the 902foam shoutouts!
I consider you guys my home group at this point! Even at 4 hours away lol
@@maritimefoam DFC original 4life!
Ive been over them for awhile. My boys are both under 10 so we are years away from me getting to smack them upside their beautiful little heads w darts shot from my pro blasters. I still enjoy making stuff hit harder but never getting to really use them is killing me and the fun. The desperado came at a great time for playing w them. PRO has killed the chance of getting many if any more cool themes from nerf. Xshot it trying but i dont see many weird lines of blasters coming around anytime soon. And i agree w the paintball comparison. Ive never wanted to play w a paint hose or milsim weirdos. Im in it for the kids my kids
Agreed, 100%
Great video and better discustion! which I feel most are hyping "pro" 150FPS+, accurate, half dart balsters is... They are new and bring nerf inline with other shooting sports... I love my desprato and Trion alot, they both got me back into the hobby after a break with airsoft and my off and on relationship with VR. But they both scare me to death and both need eyepro/emise respect. Why the despy has no safety of anykind and it's hard not to realod it barrel pointed at eye... Takes alot of displine to not do that... it's an 8+ $8 blaster... On the other hadnd the troin has a safety but to make it acrate out of the box you need to add stiock moded spacer to make it 200fps... The joules it puts out is intense luckly you can get a scar to my the 140FPS hit things... Which the despy I love because it's a common real steel concpt done well and trulies sequals the mavick my favoite nerf balaster and the trion fixs what I hate about nerf and airsoft... You don't miss you gun/dart does... Hard to get reps in if your equipment is the weaklink.
Yeah I'm very much the same. I'd be more interested in pro if they weren't all the same. Pro is just boring because it's all the same pump action magfed thing. I wish someone would do something different. People are actually crying out for rocket launchers, shotguns, boltaction snipers... grenade shell things. There's still a huge market for gimmicks too. Like my favourite blasters are not the harrier or the trion, it's stuff like the bread machine and the gl-06. Silly things. As I said... I go away from pump action and I love to use the apx. People look at me weird when I say it but I prefer the apx over anything else. I see what coop got tired of. There's no real fun in the hobby anymore everyones just running the same blaster. Nerf is becoming like paintball...
I really don't like the way that toys are going these days. Two companies that come to mind are hasbro and lego. All we are seeing these days are boring non creative designs, lack luster play features, and most of all EXPENSIVE toys. Like why are these things so expensive and boring when they are meant for kids. Plain bland cookie cutter designs without the main thing that people loved, fun.
70+-5 FPS games are best most fun to be honest :)
Couldn't disagree more. I love having all these options
Wait, what do you disagree with? I’m just saying I am personally pro blastered out, I don’t fault them for existing. People buy em, that’s great. I’m just saying leave room for lower cap and variety of play.
@@maritimefoam How can you be when their are the niche minoity? It's not like airsoft where the AR-15 and AK replicas have rained suprime for adacde now...
Hello
1:36 wgat like airsoft,bb and real steel? Like I buaght my first airsoft guns at 13 years old from walmart of the gun section self and I'm 29 years old now... Like I really don't see a big deal... Which remeber it took nearly 300 years for most states to get strict on age limits with some real steel and nerf is nerf your not going to war with it so who cares?
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say?
@@maritimefoam Why would a nerf blaster be more regulated then an 22 rifle?
@@maritimefoam Like right now I can go to my local Walmart and buy an Airsoft, BB and AR-15 off the self at Walmart here in Floirda with that AR-15 fully caple of fighting a reeal war all I need is be over 18 years old and have a clean record... If the "Shoot your eye out" campaign comes for Nerf guns why would they jump over Airsoft guns and BB guns and go to or as suggested over above the level needed to get an war fighting gun at least is some states?
@@maritimefoam also at 1:36 you say that like astriliia isn't trying to ban airsoft and nerf anyway without a major incednt... So yeah I don't get your point... Like if canda wants to ban nerf for being in to many sacry scifi movies it will like t did with anything mall ninja related it will.
Our group raised the FPS cap to 240 soft, 250 hard… it was 200 before that.
I thought it was a little too high at 200 because we have Littles playing with 14+… now… I’m uncomfortable with it.
I personally love higher fps games, but not with Littles unless they are already using equal/similar arms…
Yeah, feels high to me. What happens is you have a handful of people that just REALLY want to use their high end blasters so up goes the limit. :)
@@maritimefoam - it’s too high to me as well, but what you said is exactly what happened