To up my mental toughness game I take a 50g protein shake(gluten) that contains an additional 50g of lactose and 20g of insoluble fiber as micro plastic shavings(hand made). I take this shake right after my 100gram of sodium bicarb in the mornings. If I feel good at all I superset my days by not sleeping. At the end of the day this regimen has anyone toughen up. You will crawl by the evening like a slug, but instead of slime you will be in your own diarrhea. No pain, no gain.
Genuinely love these longer format videos diving into the science of the body and how it relates to performance. It’s like a much more palatable college lecture with Dr mikes humor thrown in and perfect for a long drive to listen to
All I know from watching RP vids is that there's no avoiding hard training if you wanna grow, but if you wanna grow the most, your training needs to be hard and smart.
I was going to work out now but I've just seen this has dropped, the gains from watching these 3 hours on my sofa with a nice cup of tea are going to be massive
Doucette still going eh? You just made me realize I managed to get him out of my feed completely. Yt pushed him and theo Vonn on me mercilessly, never want to hear either man talk again
@@keeferChiefer nothing really, and I agree. I think once he started auto playing after everything I watch, I got a little annoyed. Quite often I'd leave it on and while he's super funny sometimes and generally pretty funny, when he misses its a painful miss. His style is super one note too, I like rhe seemingly random analogies and netaphors that make sense in the end, but that's damn near his only tool. At this point I just wonder why he's being pushed at me so much, I click do not recommend the channel, not interested and every damn autoplay it's him again. I think if you hear anyone talk to much they get annoying, and everything he says sounds so made up, heard someone say his accent is fake which is lame if true, so youtubes odd promoting of theo to me had the opposite effect intended I guess. I think of him as funny, but when he comes on my phone or TV screen I'm immediately bored, disinterested and a little resentful. End rant
I need more videos like this, not only was it more educational than I was expecting but I did my homework and cleaned around the house while listening… crazy stuff Drs
26:57 Totally agree that one of the worst things about dieting and deficits is the lack of sleep. You WANT to sleep more, in order to recover, feel rested, build muscle, but your body just won't allow it.
@@JabbaSlugI don’t understand why people need a deficit, I actually need to eat more and more to keep my weight going up, as you obv burn more energy when you get bigger…
Best things I've taken from Dr. Mike vids: sleep more, eat more calories to build more muscle/strength, and don't exercise so much that your body cannot recuperate. These things, more than anything else, have helped me greatly improve my mid-50 yo dad body. I can see my abs for the first time in 20 years.
2:30:00. For myself, i felt at around 11-12% bf, i was cold, hungry, low energy. But as soon as i got to around 15-16%bf, i basically looked the same, but was more muscular, so looked better, not cold, less hungry, lots of energy. I’m not competing. I feel way better than at that lower bf level. I knew my cutoff. I encourage everyone to find the jacked and happy vs shredded and tired line
In a cut you should aim to go a bit below comfort bf though (like just the last month or so), because then you can spend the majority of your bulk in the comfy range instead of fat.
@@TH-vf5sn you're clearly a moron if you think you're at 5%. Even stage-ready bodybuilders only get down to around 7%, and they say it's entirely unhealthy and unsustainable. Therefore, you're very stupid and deluded
Who is Mike? To the blind, he is the vision, to the thirsty, he is the water, to the hungry, he is the chef. If Mike has a million fans, I'm one of them. If Mike has only one fan, I'm the fan. If Mike has no fans, I am dead. Until the day that I die, I will always support Mike
Holy crap, have you seen a psychiatrist? You definitely need one. Let me help you out with something better until then. Check out The diary of a CEO. Way better than just Dr. Mike. All the people in the top of their fields are there and still more coming all the time. Dr, Mike was on the channel as well.
Yuck. His fans already made him rich. What about the rest of us? He has done enough and doesn't have anymore to offer. Time for a new Mike. He has more than enough money to buy 50 of you.
This stuff is the kind of health information is that is absolutely amazing. To be here at a time where one can find the level of health and fitness content FOR FREE on youtube. Just crazy. Especially because before just a couple of years ago, all we had was Doctor Oz.
I'm only slightly disappointed that I watched all the previously released parts so I don't have fully new 3 hours! I think this was potentially one of the best fitness videos. It was so interesting to listen to and it went through some big questions in a very holistic way. My personal experience was slightly surprising about weight loss in a couple of different cases. I bulked from like 82-84 kg to 90 kg and then cut back to 82 kg. It was pretty easy, happened by almost itself (when the scale touched 90 I said thank god I can finally stop stuffing myself). I was lifting 3x a week during that time. Had a busy school year with almost no physical exercise, at the end of the school year managed to start going to judo again, 2x a week. Weight still stable eating following hunger levels and similarly to school year. Started adding 2-3x a week lifting and right away noticed a slight nudge towards weight getting lower. When school started again, there was 3x a week judo and at that point with or without lifting I had to actually eat to not have the weight drop, and if I added lifting 1-3x a week I could no longer match it by eating, I simply didn't find time in the day and keeping meals small enough to not feel bad and still match the energy expenditure. I started adding mayo to things and stuff like cocoa powder to shakes just to not lose weight. Now I'm between 79 and 80 kg trying to avoid just plummeting in weight so all the stimulus for muscle growth from judo and/or gym isn't "wasted". It'd be a really convenient weight to maintain and recomp as well for judo and weightlifting classes are both at 81 kg I believe. Bulking with judo + lifting would be detrimental to wallet in my estimation. And to avoiding reflux or stomach pains. The whole discussion about NFL and sumo athletes made me think of Teddy Riner, a French judoka in the Paris Olympics. This time he dropped weight, playing in the +100 kg class, and had shredded abs at 140 kg. He lifted and flipped a Japanese similar weight judoka like a baby, the guy actually flipped fully over in the air, legs towards the roof.
The conversation at about the hour mark reminds me of a story I read about researchers trying to gauge the effects of a taper before competition on endurance athletes. They wanted to look at swimmers, cyclists, and runners doing two weeks of no relevant activity before the event, one week, or to continue normal training load until the day before. The swimmers were like sure, I’m happy to be away from the pool. It was harder finding cyclists willing to give up cycling for two weeks, but they found some. There were absolutely no runners willing to give up running for two weeks, and the researchers suspected that most of those giving up running for one week probably sneakily ran anyways. I have no idea how true that story is, but it FEELS true. 😅
1:22:57 with fibromyalgia, I have a hard time exercising, speep is awful, the cyclical nightmare of not being able to lose weight. But I have tried to incorporate keto with fasting. It's hard, but it helps. Very frustrating. Thanks for your show today. Although daunting..was hoping to find a solution.
Great guest - having Eric Trexler talking for 3 hours it's a gift. Great content! Great format - love the long format with high quality guests (could not have been any other way on RP sofa). Congrats and thank you!
Im currently fighting to recover from some disordered habits that I picked up to lose 135lbs and these science based fitness and nutrition channels are helping to save me from myself. The more I learn (and am reminded) from people like Dr Mike and Jeff Nippard, the less scary food is becoming, the less scary it is to step away from the workout after 60-90 minutes instead of going for 3hrs straight 7 days/week. The cycle of lean bulking and cutting sounds like a very appealing and healthy alternative to a full blown ED, but still able to feed the monster inside that needs me to feel like I AM IN CONTROL.
you guys mentioned this while talking about glutamine, but i would also be super interested to have some kind of tier list for health supplements, not just for hypertrophy and performance related reasons
This is probably the best interview / podcast on this topic. I’ve listened to every single podcast ever that Eric t has been on talking about this topic. I’d love to hear more studies on people with anorexia because that would really provide more information and stats on how metabolic adaptation works and how it varies. It’s one thing for body builders to go through this but people with eating disorders are suffering with metabolic adaptation issues and no one really cares to help those folks navigate. Treatment programs don’t even study it. It’s insane. If anyone should be studied it’s anorexics and bulimics. TLDR: YOU GUYS SHOULD BE STUDYING ANOREXICS AND BULIMICS. Because those are the folks who have the REALEST scenarios of metabolic adaptation occuring and no one in the medical field gives a shit
They "dont give a shit" because persons with anorexia / bulemia are first of all constantly lying about their intake, but also forcing the food up again through various means. You cant study caloric intake on someone resistant to caloric intake and actively lying and working against it. For a proper scientific study to be done on a math level you need complete conformity in numbers
People with eating disorders need to feel that they are complete as they are--focusing on arcana like metabolic adaptation is about the least helpful thing they could do. When it comes to meals they should simply try to stick to a balanced diet of whole foods that they like and eat until they feel full, without worrying about how it's affecting their body at all.
@@LeafBurrowerabsolutely, it’s a very slippery slope from anorexia straight into orthorexia if you’re not careful and overcomplicate and overtheorize the weight gain towards recovery. After all, lots of anorexia is about control because many can’t control anything else in their lives anymore except how much they eat (or so they feel). You might not die (as quickly) from orthorexia but you’re far from psychologically recovered if you went from counting calories to counting micronutrients.
I would thoroughly enjoy a conversation between Mike and Greg Nuckols. . . hell, and Eric! I have listened to all of Greg and Eric’s episodes of Stronger By Science twice over, it is tremendous content!
Thank you for bringing up the percentage or proportional angle for deficit. Though I get that flat calorie reduction is the best studied angle and a useful heuristic, being a small person (general size) and wanting to drop some fat, it can be a very difficult to get my macros and micros while doing a reasonable deficit. By "small" I'm talking 4'8". So it definitely matters for the lil ones like me!
Very rarely comment on youtube but I have watched a ton of your content and this is definitely one of the best videos ever. I really love this long form style, very insightful. Huge props to Dr. Eric Trexler for doing this!
This kind of puts things in perspective a bit more for me. I've competed a few times now, and go from maintaining on 3-3500 calories sedentary, to maintaining on 2200 calories even with a gradual reduction. I'm hungry at all times on either, I am a machine eater, do not miss a gram on the scale or a cardio session. I've always needed an absolutely absurd amount of movement to get lean without becoming nutrient deficient and feeling like crap all the time.
Started my recomp journey on 5/14 had a 3d scan yesterday. Fat loss 146.8 to 112.3. Lean 163.8 to 169.6. Body fat 47.27 to 39.83. First question do feel this are good numbers for that time period. 2nd question turning 48 in a week is it a realistic goal to be under 20% body fat before my 50th birthday? Just bought the app and will starting a new workout after vacation. Excited about using the app.
Fantastic talk. So informational, appreciate the tiers of supplements and tidbits about caloric deficits through exercise not being optimal for weight loss.
I've known a couple of people over the years with stressful jobs that said they liked starting their day with jiu jitsu because after an hour of having a bunch of people try to kill you the rest of the day was a bit easier in comparison.
I have a very demanding job with responsibilities. It's really like this: If I have done those heavy compound movements despite the early hour and the aches of a middle aged body the work stress is only half as bad.
Fantastic talk with lots of useful, scientifically grounded information. Great to see you two burying the hatchet after that violently heated p ratio debate years back where the four of you basically just ended up agreeing on everything.
I am solidly in the "struggles to gain" camp. It takes real conscious effort to push through and keep eating enough, and on top of that I have some psychological barriers due to body dysmorphia and disordered eating when I was younger. Even after I got on E and testosterone blockers i didnt get any fatter without force freeding myself
45:31 resonates 100% with me! I cut down to 1950-2050 calories as my daily estimated BMR + NEAT + exercise was around 2600kcal. And at first i was losing fat fast, feeling good and starting to look good. But after about 6 weeks my progress grinded to a halt and my energy levels fell off a cliff. I started struggling to sleep, training felt like a massive effort. And my progress has seemed to begin going backwards. Its quite disheartening, and trying to figure out how to fix has me quite confused Ive decided to bump my intake back up to maintenance for 2 weeks, to give me a break, time to reset, hopefully revert my metabolic adaptation a bit and then ill go back to deficit. So hopefully i start seeing progress again.
The beginning of the video was very helpful in making sure I'm not over doing my deficit. I'm a large dude so my deficit is minimum a 1000 cal maxing at 1800 cal deficit which scaled to my size is still a lot but not terrible.
Amazing Interview. Mike I appreciate the questions as they didn't break the flow. Also I really like the balance between health, efficiency, enhanced, pure science, psychology, getting jacked and shredded was in point. From a middle aged, natural, fat, amateur, desk jockey this is high praise
I like that Mike is smart and educated. He uses big words and it makes my bits tingle. Thanks Mike. Been following you since you were a fat ass and had hair. Quite a journey.
Loving this stuff. My question is for someone who has no training. And is wanting to get into a healthy lifestyle. If you increase physically activity to say 3-4 times a week when they are relatively sedentary. Great nutrition but only have a diet of say 2200 calories. But they are obese. Would their body still fight as hard to resist change or would that be the best way to go about doing a recomp with the least amount of resistance from your body?
It's gonna fight. Probably. If you are actually keeping calories at no more than 2400 the body is gonna complain. I was sporty. Then not. 275lbs. Back to gym. All muscle back. 27...?3? Lbs. Took calorie counting, 2300 to no more than 2600 most days to get down to now 225 ish.
Runners and other endurance athletes are starting to do a lot more bicarb these days by using stuff like the Maurten system, coating the bicarb in acid proof gels to "smuggle" the bicarb past the stomach into the intestines.
I was on Gary Owen in Iraq when one of those military service members died, but no matter how hard we pushed against command (I was a medic) they would not ban that stuff. Dudes blood was basically sludge because they were essentially taking meth in 130 degree heat and going to a gym with inadequate AC. We also had a female service member almost go blind for pre workouts and she lost all her hair due to allodynia -- she was taking an excessive dose due to body dysmorphia. I had to do weekly checks on her CHU to make sure she wasn't stashing them. The military was BIG on body composition back then because we were winding down from war and they were looking to kick people for any reason.
So consider this about high endurance athletes as a reason they CAN and DO outrun their diet. It’s by design. Ever seen a jacked professional marathoner? Why not? The body cannot be efficient running while carrying excess body mass. They are training their body to shed mass to adapt to be more efficient. I ran 50 miles a week every week for 2 years. I lifted heavy and hard and ate like a pig at the troth and could not gain muscle. I was a bean pole. I stopped running so much and like magic packed on muscle with the same training program (and progressed in strength by volumes)
Hello Mr.Mike, i have been working out for 4 years with consistency both physically & mentally. But lately i had an accident that caused me to "loose" a leg, & had to stay in the bed for around 2 months. I feel it a bit hard to get back into work & i don't know what to do.
How bad is it combining cardio and strenght in general for progress? I am an average, 40y old, endurance athlete. I aspire no glory, just fysical fitness. Have been cycling for 15 years now. No power, I trained about 4 hours per week on average (ups and downs), structured. Couple of months ago I started doing some power because of recurring neck and shoulder pain. (I am also a solid 'desk wariror" for about 50 hours per week) I now train 3 times 30 minutes power, mainly upper body. And twice structured endurance on the bike (about 1 hour each) After about three months the noob gains are real. As I am still lean from cycling, body fat about 12-14%. Not really on a diet, just try to eat healthy. The pump is very real after a power session. But a few hours later, all is gone. Should I ease up on the endurance for a while and focus on strenght more, or just I just keep the current routine. Probably lowering expectations (and speed of expectations)
I lost 20% of my body mass (from 100 kg to 80 kg) in a little under 4 months. At that point, I was eating 1500 calories, burning an extra 500 calories with cardio, and couldn't drop a gram more. That's when I learned about this adaptation. I had to pause my diet for a month to get the furnace running normally again.
I stick to the basics: caffeine, protein, creatine, and methamphetamine👍🏼
The "ines"
unironically true as mike has stated he takes adderall
"Just basic stuff!" - Ronnie Coleman
I mix all that together in a powder form and snort it!
Elden rINEg
To up my mental toughness game I take a 50g protein shake(gluten) that contains an additional 50g of lactose and 20g of insoluble fiber as micro plastic shavings(hand made). I take this shake right after my 100gram of sodium bicarb in the mornings. If I feel good at all I superset my days by not sleeping. At the end of the day this regimen has anyone toughen up. You will crawl by the evening like a slug, but instead of slime you will be in your own diarrhea. No pain, no gain.
This is fucking hilarious 😂
@@Trainwithzayedon’t forget your seed oil shake postwo
Thank you. I laughed a lot at this.
Damn I liked this comment
This sounds like something Andrew Tate would tell his viewers to do. And if they don’t they’re worthless. 😂
I thought that was Jeff nippard cosplaying as a bald dude for a sec
i thought same thing haha
From the side on it is kind of uncanny
bro i think we all did🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah! 😅 Uncanny resemblance
You guys all know jorf nips but not the real Eric helms? Don't tell me you're all unaware of greg nuckols? The greatest smart lifting man
Genuinely love these longer format videos diving into the science of the body and how it relates to performance. It’s like a much more palatable college lecture with Dr mikes humor thrown in and perfect for a long drive to listen to
A 3 hr informational video on fitness from rp is something I thought I would only get in my dreams.
Well now you can have wet dreams everyday.....😂
All I know from watching RP vids is that there's no avoiding hard training if you wanna grow, but if you wanna grow the most, your training needs to be hard and smart.
And eat...
I was going to work out now but I've just seen this has dropped, the gains from watching these 3 hours on my sofa with a nice cup of tea are going to be massive
Israetel and Trexler? For almost 3 hours? My prayers have been answered 🙏
T-Rex is the man!
Yeah not mine… still praying for a Dr Mike glute spread 😢
❤❤❤😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@RealClintCapela😂😂😂
It's spelled "helms". Eric trexler waxes poetic with his bromar, the surfclam
Mike just gave Coach Greg like 12 hours of content, what a kind soul
Doucette still going eh? You just made me realize I managed to get him out of my feed completely. Yt pushed him and theo Vonn on me mercilessly, never want to hear either man talk again
Science bad, caw caw
@@rockyevans1584what do you have against Theo? I find the dumb shit he says pretty hilarious sometimes.
@@keeferChiefer nothing really, and I agree. I think once he started auto playing after everything I watch, I got a little annoyed. Quite often I'd leave it on and while he's super funny sometimes and generally pretty funny, when he misses its a painful miss. His style is super one note too, I like rhe seemingly random analogies and netaphors that make sense in the end, but that's damn near his only tool. At this point I just wonder why he's being pushed at me so much, I click do not recommend the channel, not interested and every damn autoplay it's him again. I think if you hear anyone talk to much they get annoying, and everything he says sounds so made up, heard someone say his accent is fake which is lame if true, so youtubes odd promoting of theo to me had the opposite effect intended I guess. I think of him as funny, but when he comes on my phone or TV screen I'm immediately bored, disinterested and a little resentful. End rant
@@rockyevans1584Are you maybe subscribed accidentally? I can't imagine anything else bringing him up if you click don't recommend.
Dr. Mike adding some premium afternoon content to my gooner time
I do hate when that happens, but a break wouldn’t hurt ever so often.
If you aren't simultaneously going, Mike taught you nothing
I need more videos like this, not only was it more educational than I was expecting but I did my homework and cleaned around the house while listening… crazy stuff Drs
26:57 Totally agree that one of the worst things about dieting and deficits is the lack of sleep. You WANT to sleep more, in order to recover, feel rested, build muscle, but your body just won't allow it.
gotta allocate most of your calories right before bed
@@JabbaSlug bowl of oats and WPI right before you sleep
cause your ass should be looking for food instead of sleeping
@@zarkov2324bad idea
@@JabbaSlugI don’t understand why people need a deficit, I actually need to eat more and more to keep my weight going up, as you obv burn more energy when you get bigger…
Best things I've taken from Dr. Mike vids: sleep more, eat more calories to build more muscle/strength, and don't exercise so much that your body cannot recuperate. These things, more than anything else, have helped me greatly improve my mid-50 yo dad body. I can see my abs for the first time in 20 years.
2:30:00. For myself, i felt at around 11-12% bf, i was cold, hungry, low energy. But as soon as i got to around 15-16%bf, i basically looked the same, but was more muscular, so looked better, not cold, less hungry, lots of energy. I’m not competing. I feel way better than at that lower bf level. I knew my cutoff. I encourage everyone to find the jacked and happy vs shredded and tired line
In a cut you should aim to go a bit below comfort bf though (like just the last month or so), because then you can spend the majority of your bulk in the comfy range instead of fat.
I stay at 5% and I'm not very hungry but can eat a tone, not cold either, sleeping issues though but most likely not related
@@TH-vf5sn you might think you're at 5% but you're not. If you were, you'd be on the edge of literal death and should see a doctor immediately.
@@drewmandan haha jealous much? Yes I keep around 5% all year
@@TH-vf5sn you're clearly a moron if you think you're at 5%. Even stage-ready bodybuilders only get down to around 7%, and they say it's entirely unhealthy and unsustainable. Therefore, you're very stupid and deluded
Who is Mike? To the blind, he is the vision, to the thirsty, he is the water, to the hungry, he is the chef. If Mike has a million fans, I'm one of them. If Mike has only one fan, I'm the fan. If Mike has no fans, I am dead. Until the day that I die, I will always support Mike
Holy crap, have you seen a psychiatrist? You definitely need one. Let me help you out with something better until then. Check out The diary of a CEO. Way better than just Dr. Mike. All the people in the top of their fields are there and still more coming all the time. Dr, Mike was on the channel as well.
Well fhck
In our darkest hour, a shiny giant head guides the way
I am thirsty but he isn’t the water 😏
Yuck. His fans already made him rich. What about the rest of us? He has done enough and doesn't have anymore to offer. Time for a new Mike. He has more than enough money to buy 50 of you.
This stuff is the kind of health information is that is absolutely amazing. To be here at a time where one can find the level of health and fitness content FOR FREE on youtube. Just crazy. Especially because before just a couple of years ago, all we had was Doctor Oz.
We still have doctor Oz though, right?
Trex is the gem of the fitness industry
Trexler on RP? Let’s goooooo
I'm 40 min in and I'm loving this. Whenever mike has granular conversation I'm absolutely enthralled. Great videos, much appreciated!
Did you finish?
I'm only slightly disappointed that I watched all the previously released parts so I don't have fully new 3 hours! I think this was potentially one of the best fitness videos. It was so interesting to listen to and it went through some big questions in a very holistic way.
My personal experience was slightly surprising about weight loss in a couple of different cases. I bulked from like 82-84 kg to 90 kg and then cut back to 82 kg. It was pretty easy, happened by almost itself (when the scale touched 90 I said thank god I can finally stop stuffing myself). I was lifting 3x a week during that time. Had a busy school year with almost no physical exercise, at the end of the school year managed to start going to judo again, 2x a week. Weight still stable eating following hunger levels and similarly to school year. Started adding 2-3x a week lifting and right away noticed a slight nudge towards weight getting lower. When school started again, there was 3x a week judo and at that point with or without lifting I had to actually eat to not have the weight drop, and if I added lifting 1-3x a week I could no longer match it by eating, I simply didn't find time in the day and keeping meals small enough to not feel bad and still match the energy expenditure. I started adding mayo to things and stuff like cocoa powder to shakes just to not lose weight. Now I'm between 79 and 80 kg trying to avoid just plummeting in weight so all the stimulus for muscle growth from judo and/or gym isn't "wasted". It'd be a really convenient weight to maintain and recomp as well for judo and weightlifting classes are both at 81 kg I believe. Bulking with judo + lifting would be detrimental to wallet in my estimation. And to avoiding reflux or stomach pains.
The whole discussion about NFL and sumo athletes made me think of Teddy Riner, a French judoka in the Paris Olympics. This time he dropped weight, playing in the +100 kg class, and had shredded abs at 140 kg. He lifted and flipped a Japanese similar weight judoka like a baby, the guy actually flipped fully over in the air, legs towards the roof.
The conversation at about the hour mark reminds me of a story I read about researchers trying to gauge the effects of a taper before competition on endurance athletes. They wanted to look at swimmers, cyclists, and runners doing two weeks of no relevant activity before the event, one week, or to continue normal training load until the day before. The swimmers were like sure, I’m happy to be away from the pool. It was harder finding cyclists willing to give up cycling for two weeks, but they found some. There were absolutely no runners willing to give up running for two weeks, and the researchers suspected that most of those giving up running for one week probably sneakily ran anyways. I have no idea how true that story is, but it FEELS true. 😅
🥴must move
as an ex-distance runner, I believe it. Running becomes your drug.
1:22:57 with fibromyalgia, I have a hard time exercising, speep is awful, the cyclical nightmare of not being able to lose weight. But I have tried to incorporate keto with fasting. It's hard, but it helps. Very frustrating. Thanks for your show today. Although daunting..was hoping to find a solution.
Great guest - having Eric Trexler talking for 3 hours it's a gift. Great content! Great format - love the long format with high quality guests (could not have been any other way on RP sofa). Congrats and thank you!
Mike and Eric, best podcast.
This podcast was so good!! Good job to everyone involved.
I was going to meet with this nice girl from my gym but then Mike dropped this banger, I guess she will wait little bit
No need .. I banged her
What a treasure of a discussion. Awesome!
Im currently fighting to recover from some disordered habits that I picked up to lose 135lbs and these science based fitness and nutrition channels are helping to save me from myself. The more I learn (and am reminded) from people like Dr Mike and Jeff Nippard, the less scary food is becoming, the less scary it is to step away from the workout after 60-90 minutes instead of going for 3hrs straight 7 days/week. The cycle of lean bulking and cutting sounds like a very appealing and healthy alternative to a full blown ED, but still able to feed the monster inside that needs me to feel like I AM IN CONTROL.
Love how candid and open Dr. Israetel is about the use of PED's. Great sense of humor too.
That was an absolute super duper mega conversation. I am struggling with weight loss a fair bit, every time.
Thanks for that.
you guys mentioned this while talking about glutamine, but i would also be super interested to have some kind of tier list for health supplements, not just for hypertrophy and performance related reasons
Loved the long form interview format, keep it coming!
The Trexler discussions are super interesting and insightful.
This is probably the best interview / podcast on this topic. I’ve listened to every single podcast ever that Eric t has been on talking about this topic. I’d love to hear more studies on people with anorexia because that would really provide more information and stats on how metabolic adaptation works and how it varies. It’s one thing for body builders to go through this but people with eating disorders are suffering with metabolic adaptation issues and no one really cares to help those folks navigate. Treatment programs don’t even study it. It’s insane. If anyone should be studied it’s anorexics and bulimics. TLDR: YOU GUYS SHOULD BE STUDYING ANOREXICS AND BULIMICS. Because those are the folks who have the REALEST scenarios of metabolic adaptation occuring and no one in the medical field gives a shit
They "dont give a shit" because persons with anorexia / bulemia are first of all constantly lying about their intake, but also forcing the food up again through various means. You cant study caloric intake on someone resistant to caloric intake and actively lying and working against it. For a proper scientific study to be done on a math level you need complete conformity in numbers
People with eating disorders need to feel that they are complete as they are--focusing on arcana like metabolic adaptation is about the least helpful thing they could do. When it comes to meals they should simply try to stick to a balanced diet of whole foods that they like and eat until they feel full, without worrying about how it's affecting their body at all.
@@LeafBurrowerabsolutely, it’s a very slippery slope from anorexia straight into orthorexia if you’re not careful and overcomplicate and overtheorize the weight gain towards recovery. After all, lots of anorexia is about control because many can’t control anything else in their lives anymore except how much they eat (or so they feel). You might not die (as quickly) from orthorexia but you’re far from psychologically recovered if you went from counting calories to counting micronutrients.
I would thoroughly enjoy a conversation between Mike and Greg Nuckols. . . hell, and Eric!
I have listened to all of Greg and Eric’s episodes of Stronger By Science twice over, it is tremendous content!
I love science. Almost any discipline of science. This is AWESOME.
One of the best podcast of Dr Mike... Gonna have to watch it multiple times
Thank you for bringing up the percentage or proportional angle for deficit. Though I get that flat calorie reduction is the best studied angle and a useful heuristic, being a small person (general size) and wanting to drop some fat, it can be a very difficult to get my macros and micros while doing a reasonable deficit. By "small" I'm talking 4'8". So it definitely matters for the lil ones like me!
Love these long-form podcasts. Bring them on! (specially if they include an Eric)
Or the good Greg
Amazing podcast to have you both in one place! Definitely a lot learned! Thank you both!❤❤
Very rarely comment on youtube but I have watched a ton of your content and this is definitely one of the best videos ever. I really love this long form style, very insightful. Huge props to Dr. Eric Trexler for doing this!
This kind of puts things in perspective a bit more for me. I've competed a few times now, and go from maintaining on 3-3500 calories sedentary, to maintaining on 2200 calories even with a gradual reduction. I'm hungry at all times on either, I am a machine eater, do not miss a gram on the scale or a cardio session. I've always needed an absolutely absurd amount of movement to get lean without becoming nutrient deficient and feeling like crap all the time.
I absolutely love these guys. High level of intelligence, humor, and humility!! Respect. Keep up the amazing work!
Just came here to say that I love Dr Mike. ❤
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Please put these types of interview style videos into a podcast so I can listen to them while I work!!
Started my recomp journey on 5/14 had a 3d scan yesterday. Fat loss 146.8 to 112.3. Lean 163.8 to 169.6. Body fat 47.27 to 39.83. First question do feel this are good numbers for that time period. 2nd question turning 48 in a week is it a realistic goal to be under 20% body fat before my 50th birthday? Just bought the app and will starting a new workout after vacation. Excited about using the app.
Fitness is a life style not a goal but great progress. How was your birthday? Are you still on your fitness goals or did you relapse
Fantastic talk. So informational, appreciate the tiers of supplements and tidbits about caloric deficits through exercise not being optimal for weight loss.
I've known a couple of people over the years with stressful jobs that said they liked starting their day with jiu jitsu because after an hour of having a bunch of people try to kill you the rest of the day was a bit easier in comparison.
I have a very demanding job with responsibilities. It's really like this: If I have done those heavy compound movements despite the early hour and the aches of a middle aged body the work stress is only half as bad.
yeaaaaa bwoiiii! love the long interviews/ discussions
Fantastic talk with lots of useful, scientifically grounded information. Great to see you two burying the hatchet after that violently heated p ratio debate years back where the four of you basically just ended up agreeing on everything.
I am solidly in the "struggles to gain" camp. It takes real conscious effort to push through and keep eating enough, and on top of that I have some psychological barriers due to body dysmorphia and disordered eating when I was younger.
Even after I got on E and testosterone blockers i didnt get any fatter without force freeding myself
I've listened to this 3 times now. So so good
Thanks to Dr. Trexler and RP. I hope enlightenment in these areas continues to grow.
45:31 resonates 100% with me!
I cut down to 1950-2050 calories as my daily estimated BMR + NEAT + exercise was around 2600kcal. And at first i was losing fat fast, feeling good and starting to look good.
But after about 6 weeks my progress grinded to a halt and my energy levels fell off a cliff. I started struggling to sleep, training felt like a massive effort. And my progress has seemed to begin going backwards.
Its quite disheartening, and trying to figure out how to fix has me quite confused
Ive decided to bump my intake back up to maintenance for 2 weeks, to give me a break, time to reset, hopefully revert my metabolic adaptation a bit and then ill go back to deficit. So hopefully i start seeing progress again.
This was great! Great channel, great content.
Trexler is a gem!
Wow I really love the long form content. Listenex to all 3 hours of this. Thank you!
An absolute banger discussion, so much context-rich information. I would love to see more videos like this one.
I’m digging this long form content!
Please have longer deep dive podcast videos once or twice a month!
I don't even worry about this kinda stuff. But I could listen to Dr. Mike forever.
I loved the long form content with experts in their field! More of this please! Wonderful stuff!
This was a excellent overview. I really enjoyed Dr.Eric and his tier system. Great interview Dr.Mike
33:35: As a former 175-180 non exerciser, who’s now 145-150 and just finished my first half marathon, heck yeah I look so different…
Extremely interesting and well spoken interview! Thanks!
Mike you're a legend just started with ur app my whole worlds changing.... thank u brother
There's so much to digest here! What an incredible video.
This is future Jeff Nippard
The beginning of the video was very helpful in making sure I'm not over doing my deficit. I'm a large dude so my deficit is minimum a 1000 cal maxing at 1800 cal deficit which scaled to my size is still a lot but not terrible.
Which tier would be tmg, hmb, lclt or alpha-gpc?
Keep up the high quality content!
Amazing Interview. Mike I appreciate the questions as they didn't break the flow. Also I really like the balance between health, efficiency, enhanced, pure science, psychology, getting jacked and shredded was in point. From a middle aged, natural, fat, amateur, desk jockey this is high praise
Amazing conversation. Very scientifically sound.
I like that Mike is smart and educated. He uses big words and it makes my bits tingle. Thanks Mike. Been following you since you were a fat ass and had hair. Quite a journey.
YES! The one and only Eric from the iron culture podcast
Loved this! Thank you!
Love the long form content!
Loving this stuff. My question is for someone who has no training. And is wanting to get into a healthy lifestyle. If you increase physically activity to say 3-4 times a week when they are relatively sedentary. Great nutrition but only have a diet of say 2200 calories. But they are obese. Would their body still fight as hard to resist change or would that be the best way to go about doing a recomp with the least amount of resistance from your body?
It's gonna fight. Probably. If you are actually keeping calories at no more than 2400 the body is gonna complain. I was sporty. Then not. 275lbs. Back to gym. All muscle back. 27...?3? Lbs. Took calorie counting, 2300 to no more than 2600 most days to get down to now 225 ish.
Great episode to put you straight into deep sleep 😴😂😂
Thank you so much! This was incredible!
Awesome podcast and guest!
Runners and other endurance athletes are starting to do a lot more bicarb these days by using stuff like the Maurten system, coating the bicarb in acid proof gels to "smuggle" the bicarb past the stomach into the intestines.
Love, Thank you boys!❤
This was a really good one. Thanks!
Love this long form interview
I was on Gary Owen in Iraq when one of those military service members died, but no matter how hard we pushed against command (I was a medic) they would not ban that stuff. Dudes blood was basically sludge because they were essentially taking meth in 130 degree heat and going to a gym with inadequate AC. We also had a female service member almost go blind for pre workouts and she lost all her hair due to allodynia -- she was taking an excessive dose due to body dysmorphia. I had to do weekly checks on her CHU to make sure she wasn't stashing them. The military was BIG on body composition back then because we were winding down from war and they were looking to kick people for any reason.
This is my favorite episode of the Joe Rogan podcast
Great podcast
Put this on a podcast platform so I can send it to my parents?
Loved the long form content.
So consider this about high endurance athletes as a reason they CAN and DO outrun their diet. It’s by design. Ever seen a jacked professional marathoner? Why not? The body cannot be efficient running while carrying excess body mass. They are training their body to shed mass to adapt to be more efficient. I ran 50 miles a week every week for 2 years. I lifted heavy and hard and ate like a pig at the troth and could not gain muscle. I was a bean pole. I stopped running so much and like magic packed on muscle with the same training program (and progressed in strength by volumes)
Tier 1 episode for sure.
This was awesome. More please.
Excellent interview. Thank you.
Fantastic interview. Loving this guys 👏
Hello Mr.Mike, i have been working out for 4 years with consistency both physically & mentally. But lately i had an accident that caused me to "loose" a leg, & had to stay in the bed for around 2 months. I feel it a bit hard to get back into work & i don't know what to do.
Excellent interview!
How bad is it combining cardio and strenght in general for progress? I am an average, 40y old, endurance athlete. I aspire no glory, just fysical fitness.
Have been cycling for 15 years now. No power, I trained about 4 hours per week on average (ups and downs), structured.
Couple of months ago I started doing some power because of recurring neck and shoulder pain. (I am also a solid 'desk wariror" for about 50 hours per week)
I now train 3 times 30 minutes power, mainly upper body. And twice structured endurance on the bike (about 1 hour each)
After about three months the noob gains are real. As I am still lean from cycling, body fat about 12-14%. Not really on a diet, just try to eat healthy. The pump is very real after a power session. But a few hours later, all is gone.
Should I ease up on the endurance for a while and focus on strenght more, or just I just keep the current routine. Probably lowering expectations (and speed of expectations)
I lost 20% of my body mass (from 100 kg to 80 kg) in a little under 4 months. At that point, I was eating 1500 calories, burning an extra 500 calories with cardio, and couldn't drop a gram more. That's when I learned about this adaptation. I had to pause my diet for a month to get the furnace running normally again.
Great talk !! 🙌👌