Lasguns are weak
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- What happens when you shoot an ork with a lasgun 100 times?
nothing
What do you call a lasgun with a lasersight?
twin-linked
Also, i think i've played both parts of the demo through at least 6 times each now.
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What do you call a lasgun with a flash light attached to it?
Twin-linked
shanethepain13 what do you call it when you wave your hand in front of it?
Rapid fire
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That's a flogging for you.
Not kidding, there's official lore that states any IG who makes that joke gets flogged.
Still waiting on that Imperial Guardsmen game. If they'll make one about the damn Tau, they aught to make one about a Guardsman.
Tutorial - Your about to go through training when you get breached and the captain says "GRAB YOUR FLASHLIGHTS MEN" as they proceed to pointlessly shoot at a confused hormagaunt, as then you decide to throw the gun at it which did more damage than shooting with it.
***** I know about that. What I'm saying is if they'll make that piece of crap, then they aught to at least give us an IG game.
cale42 I'm with you battle brother. The Guard get so much shit but blow for blow they are really good infantry. They just aren't space marines
cale42 I think the Imperial Guard game would better off as a blend between real time squad tactics and FPS, like the Brothers in Arms series. That way we don't have over the top-lore breaking moments of some cannon fodder with a name-tag becoming a near unbeatable one man apocalypse, tearing through chaos marines, greater daemons, orks, necrons and big tyranids like any of those would do to guardsmen.
+cale42 If you were to do an Imperial Guard game, you'd have to be a Kasrkin, and your standard weapon would need to be a Hellgun or Hotshot Lasgun and everything would go up from there. Otherwise, it would be a very, very short game.
Hey guys, this guardsman is Steve. Say hi, Steve! "Hai." He's weak, he's small, but he has a lot of heart when there's a gun on the back of his head. Watch him shoot his gun, jack all has happened right? Now watch what happens when he gets himself and a few buddies to place down an Imperial Guard automatic turret in the Space Marine game...
Ow yeah, Tarantula Sentry Gun is awesome. Even Nobs aren't safe from two high-accuracy autotracking heavy bolters.
Y'know, if they gave the guardsmen some weapons that dont act like a flash light, they would actually gets some kills in before they died.
Huntertyavatar2 In fact, lasgun are notoriously strong against human targets. What the lasgun is - it is a laser assault rifle with effective range of up to 400 meters, weight of about 2,9-4 kg with power cell and the capability of severing human arm or dealing a 100% lethal damage if chest or head is hit and no armour worn by the target. Such weapon prove more than capable of taking on chaos cultists or traitor guardsmen infantry when on normal power setting. Lasgun can also be set to overcharge (2x power for a shot) or overload (4x power for a shot) with a latter mode known to penetrate chaos space marines' power armour on short ranges.
+Terran Ghost i think you are refferin to the hell gun and the hotshot lasgun wich is capable of penetrating power armor
+Aldo Siffredi No, I'm refering to the normal mass-produced lasgun set to "overload" (that is maximal) power setting. However, on such high power setting lasgun burns through a power cell quickly and is prone to overheating. Hellgun is a more intricate and powerful weapon.
might be weak, but they sound sweet!
haha, nice tags, COME GET MEH SPEHSS MUHREEN.
SPEHS MAREHNZ
I think it was best said as:
"One lasgun is a joke. 100 lasguns are a nightmare."
Man, I so much necroposter, but hey, ONE lasgun can rip off a human arm, if hit without proper cover or armor. It's only weak if we compare it to other races big guys, between human it's a perfect weapon
@@ДаниилЮсуповский appreciate your comment, don't worry about necro'ing
Lasguns in "Space Marine" are effective only if plot says they will be. Part of the "It's Up to You" trope and also plot armor.
+BillVidHunter yeah they fricken hurt when you are playing exterminatus as the chaos
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BillVidHunter There's not many guardsmen fighting here, and theirs aren't the hi-power hotshot ones.
In fact, outside of scripted events, friendly NPCs deal little to no damage, even your battle brothers.
"It's not a laser! ITS A LITTLE LIGHT BULB THAT BLINKS!!!!"
-Guardsman Woody
, shortly before his summary execution
"The Legionnaire that scoffs at a lasgun has not charged across an open field against a hundred of them."
You wouldnt say that if you they were carrying the lasguns from Retribution
The demo NPCs did no damage. In the full game, an Imperial Guard NPC can kill an Ork in about 4-5 hits (they fire slower, though) on the highest difficulty.
If you think about it, if lasguns are just laser pointers... what happens if you combine the beams of 50 laser pointers? ...Seriously, what would happen? I have, like, 50 in my garage and there's this one neighbor kid who's been pissing me off lately...
try on a balloon of different color. concentrate all your lazers onto one focused point?
M A C R O W A V E
I say do it
Look up styropyro, the answer you seek is there.
Friendly NPC weapons routinely demonstrate complete ineffectiveness, because the plot requires it. It happens in Call of Duty, Halo, Space Marines, etc, etc. Real Lasguns (ok, they don´t really exist, but bear with me) are not to be fucked with. The Lasgun uses a small portable capacitor power pack to produce a focused pinpoint laser beam which is strong enough to take an ordinary human arm off with one shot.
Yeah and if you have about 200 of them the enemy is fucked
If the Lasgun appeared in other Sci-Fi universes, everyone the Guardsman would be fighting - such as Stormtroopers - would want these weapons, given how in comparison to Blaster Rifles in Star Wars, Lasguns are far more accurate, possess a faster projectile speed, and a greater impact force if they can dismember unprotected human limbs as the lore suggests.
But given how over the top everything in 40k is, the Lasgun is only useful in massive numbers, much like how single-shot Muskets in our time were useless on the battlefield if the numbers behind the rifles weren't up to snuff for a volley line formation.
Frederik Houmann
Then explain Cadia...
Unfortunately, The normal humans are usually the ones using lasguns. Eldar flip and bob around, making amassed fire almost necessary to even hit them, Orks are like onions, they have layers, Chaos Marines are... just what they are, Tau field all their infantry with sniper grade weapons, Tyranids use the Guard’s own tactic against it.
They usually don’t even send out a full assault of purely infantry anyway, Space Marine forgot to give them their officers and such.
The stupidest part is how lasguns, that can easily blow off limbs and make huge hole in concrete, are portrayed as ineffective and weak flashlights, while chainswords are portrayed as powerful, when it's literally just chainsaws with different handles, wielded by overgrown men. In case you don't know, chainsaws are really bad at cutting flesh and even clothes, always getting stuck, and completely useless against actual armor. Extra strength will not help.
They got Plot Ammo
A lasgun mag has 150 shots...
Lazgun literally has infinite ammo
The only downside of that gun is overheating
Its not that Lasguns are Weak, They're pretty strong. Its just Everything Else in WH40K is OP
40k's power scaling is nuts
spicemehreens
"It's not a laser! It's a- It's a little light bulb that blinks." - Woody.
Lol I literally just read that joke the last video about Lasguns.
Actually, canon-wise, the lasgun is a very powerful weapon. In many books about Imperial Guardsmen, you often find a part where a lasgun will punch through power armor. The problem isn't with the weapon, it's with the shooter. If all guardsmen were trained to be elite marksmen, the Imperium wouldn't need to worry about being beset on all fronts.
In Gaunt's Ghosts, a Vitrian Dragoon killed an Iron Warrior in one shot, using a full powered lasgun. Boom headshot is applicable there.
We must realize that this was only three guardsmen. I’d say this is canonical weakness, and that if it were nine guardsmen, the orks would’ve fallen faster.
But they just killed like.. 6 orks right there.
but with how many shots?
Bruda Ezeekiel They still killed them
YEAH, but with how many shots?
Bruda Ezeekiel the question is how many shots per second were they shooting? A WHOLE lot.
Bruda Ezeekiel With around 500 bolter shots.
There is literally nothing wrong with Lasguns in lore. These Guardsmen just have plot power packs loaded
Stick a Hot-Shot battery pack in that thing and you've got a shot at penning Astartes armor
"This is my lasgun. There are many like it, but this is by far the worst."
I WISH THE DEMO WERE LONGER. T_T
Dear god
Las guns are amazing. Orks are just bloody hard to kill
I wish in space marines 2 they would show Titus becoming a space marine and how arduous and painful the process is to become one that would be a nice touch
each shot could dismembered a human beeing.
Can anyone get the lasgun sounds without the orks yelling, they sound really cool, though flashlights they may be
Guardsmen are like the Skaven. Easy to deal with in small numbers but you're never fighting them in small numbers.
Meanwhile, the traitor guard can melt you whenever you take even a single step out of cover.
Actually if we examine the fluff, the lasgun should be fairly adept at killing things that wear light armour or none at all. Tyranids are excluded because they have exoskeletons that are supposed to shrug off bolts sometimes. We can't go by the video games as we should look at the tabletop. One lasgun could bring down a Space Marine in the tabletop... at least I'm pretty sure it could. Lasguns are weak because GW says they're weak in the fluff. In real life, I could see it killing Orkz easily.
Its pretty hilarious, the lasgun has the power to shoot an ordinary man's arm off and is able to shoot through several layers of wall but it is still one of the weakest weapons in the imperium.
That is a Emperor-damn 20 round clip on an assault weapon. Disgraceful techmarines. Disgraceful.
Lasguns (some models at least) have a 60-shot "magazine" (battery pack)
The problem is that GW handled Tabletop to fluff terribly. Lasguns can mow down orks, but there is supposed to be so many orks that they can still get overrun.
You simply don't have enough
LOL DON'T SEND THE GUARD TO DO A MANS JOB :P
They all serve the emprah brother
Doesn't look like a gun that could blast off your whole arm off in one shot...
@DomEReapeR It's ok. And let me tell you one thing, the TableRules are not = game fluff. On table 1 marine is worth like 5 Guardsman. In fluff it is worth 100, and it is unstoppable killing machine of war. 1 Guardsman can wihout any trouble kill 1 Tau Fire Warrior in fluff from 1 Lasgun shot, not to mention Ork boy...
@GhostNukem sure, lasguns are powerful if you compare them to todays standards.
Compare them to the standards of 38.000 years in the future though, that thing is pretty weak xP
Lascannons can do a shitton of damage, but we're not talking about lascannons here.
@DomEReapeR Lasgun need 1 shot from 1 Ork, every BL novel tells that. But it would be stupid here because you need 5 shots from bolter to kill one Ork boy. And Bolters are mini rocket launchers that explode after the impact with target.
You're like the millionth person who has said this
I play the games, as well as the tabletop game, and those things do DIDDLY FUCKING SQUAT xD
Lasguns are good for warming soup with =)0
a lasgun is just as powerful as an autogun
in game though, the difference between a lasgun and a boltgun is less than the difference between a boltgun and a pulse rifle
@brandon77091 Not to mention the fucking meltaguns, is it a concentrated beam or a shotgun? MAKE UP YOUR MINDS! xD
lol yeah, it doesn't exactly help the weak lasgun that the person shooting it has terrible accuracy as well xD
@2SSSR2 Any weapon that requires 15 shots or more to kill a regular ork is weak imo
they are weak, but theres usually so many guardsmen that it doesn't matter :/
That shows how brave they are
@firelord699 Drive me closer!
I want to hit them with my sword!
I see. Seriously though, GW needs to give a specific explaination on the whloe lasgun thing. I'm tired of people making jokes and with so many views and material. There really should be a universal answer to this debate or argument. All I know is that with using the lasgun on a human being, it'll basically burn them into slag. I've also heard when facing against Orks, it just needs more amount of concentrated fire. Seriuosly, this is driving me nuts.
ddon wars and for the cover art for the Guants Ghosts novels. I'm only asking this because I'm planning on making a fanfiction and I just want to use the correct fluff material, and not just look like a typical noob. Anyway, thanks for the explaination dude. :) Hmm, I could say that at day it would look like a bright muzzle flash and at night, you can see the brief laser ray. That's sounds about right, right?
It depends on what game rules you want to refer to. By the tabletop wargame rules, they're the same gun. At least one of the tabletop RPGs gives the triplex a sniping mode that the regular lasgun lacks, making it sort of a bridge between a lasgun and a long-las. As far as how the shots look, well, Star Wars guns are more how Tau weapons look, most likely. IG lasgun shots are either a brief red ray, or just a muzzle flash.
To be honest, I know there's a lot of Lasgun models, marks and patterns out there. Yet I don't see why there's so many if they function the same. Also, when I read the Imperial Guard Codex and at the part where it showed a section called "The Ubiquitous Lasgun", it said there sought after model of lasgun and it's apparently the Triplex pattern. Can somebody clarify why this is the case. How's this lasgun model different than any other model that's out there in the 40K universe?
In the TTRPG I've killed people with low-end weapons but considering the fact that I switch to weapons that DON'T deal 1D10+3 PEN 0 as quick as humanly possible should tell you something. A Boltgun deals 1D10+5 PEN 4 and re-rolls its damage die. Tau Pulse Rifles roll 2D10 and some change. At least it's not a Bow/Crossbow... So while it may be equal to a Modern weapon it's still a furious flashlight. Hell... even shotguns do more damage.
actually lasguns are superior to modern day assault rifles, but the tabletop does a terrible job at accurately representing stuff.
for example, bolters are described to fire a projectile that penetrates the victims skin and explodes. in rules that should mean: "for every hit, immediately take a save. if you fail you automatically take a wound. if you make it, roll normally for wounds but ignore saves afterwards."
Oh really? In the Blood Angels Omnibus, a Blood Angel had lost his bolter in the midst of combat, and resorted to taking a dead gaurdsman's lasgun. He was killing chaos space marines with it. As I have said before, the lasgun is a very powerful rifle, the issue is the accuracy of the guardsman.
Look at the needle rifle, it fires a laser to punch through armor before a needle flies through the hole and injects a neurotoxin.
Lasguns, fire the same laser but more intense, to kill, not pen armor.
But my copy of the Infantrymen's Uplifting Primer told me my lasgun is the greatest weapon they could give me. It also told me how to fight hand to hand with an Ork. They also gave me a set of really durable top of the line flak armor. I'm armed with the right weapon, powerful armor and am going against the stupid green skins. My Primer also informed me about how short and stubby the orks are and how most of there muscle isn't really muscle. Charge!
Honestly, the Guardsman are seriously underplayed for what they deal with. Granting, they are not as good as Space Marines (believe me, I'm a Space Wolves fan), but lets put it into perspective here: one Guardsman, with all his gear and training, is worth AT LEAST 10 US Marines (or your nation's equivalent ground unit), or 2 Spec Ops Soldiers. A squad of 50 Guardsman could easily take on and wipe the flow with a group of Earth's finest, and barely take casualties.
@DomEReapeR if i somehow offended ppl im sorry, didnt mean the coments aggresivly and refering to Serious...well....if did notice DomEReapeR....that ppl in the comments below might have not read well the Codex,novels or etc. but still i just wanted to state the fact that they shouldnt think Lasguns are useless and hit low...comeon for godsake...where do you think the term LASCANNON came from? and again sorry if it offended someone just wanted to enlighten ppl.
also they can either make the WEAPON or power pack(ammo clip) go overload and use it as a plasma nade(like in halo with real damage) and fk the enemies body real bad......in this game dunno why they make it awful and that CADIANs(wich are in the game and should be PROS) look like they cant Shoot or kill at least 1 or 2 orks each(srly cadians are some of the first to use those types of tactics and Firemodes) since they have better training and marksmen.
@abanofeso Truth be told, I think it's just a gameplay mechanic. In the novel Rebel Winter, to give an example, the lasguns used by the Vostroyan Firstborn are sufficiently powerful to gun down orcs, although they prove ineffective against those wearing armour. The lasfire would just heat up the metal plates and piss the armoured bastards off.
All the same, I think you're right about the logistics, but the lasguns still lack the kinetic punch of a ballistic rifle.
a lasgun shoots a highly focused beam of light into one spot that it vaporizes a small surface of the targeted area into a explosion. imperial guard veterans can these guns as a makeshift grenade by overcharging the gun and tossing it at the enemy. the explosion of the gun is powerful enough to damage dreadnought armor or power armour.
that's why i love the warhammer 40k mod for fallout 3 and new vegas.
not only do lasguns actually damage things but if you have the bloody mess perk, you get a pretty good idea of what a bolter would do to the average human body: leaving nothing of you but a red cloud and some unidentifiable chunks that might have been parts of a body at some point.
Random IG: "I just completed my combat training and I'm ready to purge foes in the name of the emperor!!!"
Commisar:"ok here's a Flashlight, some cardboard to protect you... Now go kill that Greater Daemon that's killing thousands! and if you decide to run I'll kill you with this pistol that can blow your brains off instantly in a gory fashion..."
IG: >:
Depends on the regiment really, for example the Brimlock regiments from imperial glory seem to have adequate knowledge on their las-weapons, though comparing them to a founding from some random hive world.... Still, it's just nice to know i'm not the only one out there that appreciates the lasgun XD
you do know who rewrote blood angel history it was matt ward who broke everything which proves lasguns dont do diddly jack, and the needle rifle is a different concept. sure the lasgun could go though a vulnerable point in power armor but in reality it wont do much to anything in armor
yea okay so the lasgun is a little waek going up aginst an 8ft mass of musscle and on a rampage
well how about your prescious bolter? all the balistic weapons are underpowered becuse the developers want to drive you into melee it is their core mechanic after all
Lasguns are not that weak. And they can fire full automatic.
And ironically enough, though its suppose to be the weakest weapon of the game, its still according to lore powerful enough to punch through concrete and blow gaping holes in your chest with one shot. That speaks volumes of what kind of universe WH40K is.
@Joel354vanfanel = should be twin linked
imagine that... First rank fire, second rank fire order at less than 12 inches with a combined unit of 30 = 90 twin linked shots mmmm now that would be lush!!! maybe then my guard army might start winning
@DomEReapeR Yeah, I was disappointed that the Orks didn't have bloody chunks blown off and still continue fighting. Proly to keep game rated M or something. Also was disappointed at the lack of Orks saying "HUMIEZ" or "HUMUNZ" lol
IZ NOT ORKY ENUFF
@CBAwiththisshit logistics of ammunition, its easier to shoot that flashlight a 100 times, and to bring 100 bullets, remember that they need to be deployed instantly, and also i believe the energy cells of those weapons can be recharged.
@Antigan15th to be fair, the guard in that game held out against superior numbers for 3 weeks or so before the soace marines got there. there were also never more than 7 or so guardsmen on screen at a time. guardsmen only work in large groups.
2 things....1: Those are not lasguns..Those are Fucking Nerfed hotshots In a lasgun costume... "Pewpewpewpewpew" 2: If you call these weak, Just wait till you get shot by them by traitor guardsman, Glass Cannons from hell (Literally!)
*Meanwhile Me as Traitor side and playing Exterminatus mode
Guardsmen's Lasgun: *COWABUNGA IT IS!*
And Lasguns can fire from 60 -120 rounds on normal setting.
As we see in this demonstration, the standard issue Imperial flashlight doesn't do didley. Where as a good bolter...*Blam* That's why Imps come in squads of 40 or 50 men! Now that's a whole lot of didley!!!
Guardsmen are more suited to fight heretics and cultists. I freaking LOVE the Imperial Guard, sadly all people want are more "SPEHHS MAHRENS". So of course the Imperiums finest have been weakened to make way for them.
Also, how does a Lasgun fire its ammunition? Is it just like a beam like in the DOW RTS games or is it like a bolt like in the SW movies? Also, colour of beam/bolt is it? Red, blue, red-orange, yellow, what? I must know!
.....SPAYCE MAHRYNES!! If it was novel canon (i.e gaunt's ghosts, marine battle novels that feature the guard etc), a guardsman should technically be able to drop an ork with one well placed shot, but alas, video games.
@Joel354vanfanel LOL! You should write some stuff for the new codex, I ain't joking. These descriptions are priceless.
I agree. The poor old Guard aren't useless at all, it's just the shit they have to face is FUCKING GODLY.
It's a funny thing. At hard level gurdsmans can't give any damage to a single orc. But, if you stand before a little group of heretics (with full armor, health and magic sign) you are going to die!
Compared to modern weapons, a Lasgun has the power to blow off a mans arm with a single shot (approximately the power of a .30 cal round) Too bad everything else in 40k is so fucking powerful.
Massed fire from lazguns can penetrate just about any armor. Compared 21st century weapons, these things are like anti tank rifles. But in 40k, that's just not enough
Yes they are, and no one gives a shit about fluff here.
different patterns of lasguns have different schemes (i.e hotshot lasgun, catachan lascarbine etc). Also it shouldn't be a bolt; that'd clearly be a different weapon all together
Yes but you're over there, here, no one gives a shit.
@TehSplinterCell Every lasgun i've ever seen has a mag.
Where's a Commisiar when you need one. An execution might help steady their aim. Infact screw the guardsmen, where's a Psyker or even the fabled BAAAAAAANEBLAAAAAAADE.
Lazguns aren't TOO bad...when they bring the entire Imperial Guard army to take down an ork Waagh.
Lazguns may be weak. But a couple of billion lazguns!? YES PLEASE
all things considered in 6th edietion due to the low AP less invun rules lasguns dont allow you to take any invuns against them because they don't have an AP value
...is it wrong I like lasguns, despite being mediocre at best compared to some other weapons (unfairly, I think. It's a goddamn laser gun) in the 40k universe?
People call this plot firepower. I deny such false lies. The Ork Waagh energy was at play here. The Orks thought those beamy guns could hurt them. And hurt them they did.
I get the feeling that if you were to be shot by a lasgun, it wouldn't kill you, it'd just leave a burn.
Imperium, y u no give Guardsmen better weapons?
Aren't lasguns basically shooting lightsabers though? It seems that it's not really the weapon that's weak (though they don't compare as well to the Bolter) but the lack of proper training given to the handler.
I think anyone has more credibility than Matt Ward
That's not how it works in any book or game or wiki article I have seen. Where did you get this information? Because suddenly I want a lasgun.
Makes me wonder. If there was a limping ork with a cleaver that could still move but very slowly and a single, healthy guardsman, who would win?