How to Install a Radiator Step by Step guide Day in the life Gas Plumber
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- RADIATOR INSTALLATION DIY guide on how to replace a rad. Step by step guide including draining the system down , Re piping and connecting new radiator valves. how to instal a radiator, or how to replace a radiator. So, this radiator here, I'm going to swap this radiator. I want to put a bigger radiator in here. So, the tails at the bottom, I'm going to have to change them, and alter them. I'm going to drain the system down, so I'm going to show you how, different options really, of how you can drain a system. I've also got a radiator upstairs that I'm going to move, so we'll be lifting some floorboards up, and things like that as well. So, I'm going to try and put as much as possible in this video, as I can.
So first thing, first job, what we'll do is I will drain the system down. So, let's go and have look. We'll have a look at the boiler now, and I'll show you how we can drain it down later, but then I'll show you some other options as well. So, yeah, let's go and have a look now. So this system, this is a combi boiler system. It's got a pressure gauge on the front, so all we need to do is just drain the pressure out of the system. And we've got an Omega Filter on this, so I could quite easily just drain it from that filter, but I'm going to drain it a different way, just to show you a few different options of draining a system. So that, draining from the filter would obviously be the easiest option if you have a filter.
First of all, I'm going to turn the power off to the boiler, and then we'll go in the back, where the radiator is. We'll lift the carpets up, lift the floors up, and we'll cut into the pipework below the radiator. Let's go under there now and we'll have a look. Just a little tip when you're lifting carpets, sometimes they're a bit awkward to lift up. I mean, this would be quite easy to be honest, but I just get my grips, and just pull on there. Just a little tip, like I say, with this one, probably didn't need, you know, we'll just lift the carpet up.
When I've lifted the carpet up here, we've already got a trap, so it's a lot easier. Normally you're not going to see that, you're going to have to cut the boards. Probably, we'll have to cut the boards over here, but we'll have a look. I'm just going to mark the boards. Very important, if you start lifting loads of boards up it can be very, very hard sometimes, like a jigsaw puzzle putting them all back. I always just mark them if I can, and then that way I know which ones, where I have to put them back down after.
We've got the pipework there, so we can see the pipes. That's the T that's going to this radiator, you can just see his elbows there, and then that one's just on the T. What we'll do, I'm going to cut this. I'm going to cut that pipe, and then I'm just going to drain it under this floor. The other options for draining down would be, you might find that you've got a drain off like that somewhere, and then obviously, if you do, you can just connect your hose onto there. And then, the other option are your filters, you might use a washing machine hose. I use this quite a lot for cleaning the filters out, and then there's that hose as well, if you're going to fully drain the system.
As always, if I'm going to cut into pipe I always make sure I've got a few Speedfit cap ends with me, just so I can push them over if it gets a bit too much. One thing to be very careful, if you're going to cut into pipes under a floor, and you're going to drain under a floor, make sure there's no electrical cables or anything like that around. Make sure that if there is any water it's not going to do any damage to anything. So, what I've done now, I'll just start to cut into this. Now, bearing in mind there's a lot of pressure in this at the moment, so there'll be a lot of water and it's going to splash all over.
If we just do it a little bit, and then just let the pressure come out, and then you'll see there down. There's not a lot, much water. I could've, quite easily, with one hand, have just pushed that on there. And on the other side. I've controlled it there if I need to, but now I can connect the hosepipe on there quite easily. I've got my hosepipe now, and I've just got a push fit valve on there. You could use just a socket, or an elbow, just anything that's push fit. Or you could, if you wanted, just put a hosepipe directly over the top of the pipe, but I just find it easier this way.
Then, whichever part you want to use to drain down, just connect that on, and then now, that's just draining out. All controlled, there's not that much water under the floor really. It's not the best way to do it, obviously if you've got a drain off valve then use a drain off, or a filter. But, this is sort of like worse case scenario, and as you can see from that, there's still not that much water.
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Remember to position the rad high enough so that the chippie can get the skirting board behind, if it's being fed by pipes coming out of the floor, and when you're siting it (laterally,) make sure the flow and return aren't going to end up going through the floor where the joists are, otherwise you'll have to bend the pipe/s or move the brackets again
Can you make a video on s plan and multi zone please
You video isn't to long it's perfect nice to see you try explain everything in full detail 👍🏻
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Once again a delightful video of confidence-boosting lucidity. Thank you Allen for your sage advice, guidance, invaluable tips, tricks and ineluctable kindness for sharing with us all.
Happy to help, Thank you very much for watching.
Nice video mate, not a plumber myself more of someone that likes to know how to do things so appreciate good videos like these.
Thank you.
im currently a level 3 plumbing apprentice and its good to see how others do things
great video
Thanks for watching 👍
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Brilliant video , I would have learnt a lot faster working with you , I been plumbing a few years but most people on the job simply cannot be bothered showing ya...cheers
craig - do your own research how to do the work right, if you want to be any good! Don't rely on someone to show you how to do it, with anyone's best intentions it still maybe not the correct way to do it! Guys who do this for 20 years+ not necessary are staying with new technology things are done a bit different especially with new boilers that are being installed now.
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Soon as i see your videos i whisper in my head!! ME NAMES ALAN HART 😂
That's all I have in my head hahaha I love it #namesallenhart
@@davem3833 I had someone come to my van a few weeks back and say that lol.
@@AllenHart999 that's amazing 😂😂 you've a great fan base.
@@davem3833 My Names Allen Hart and today lol...
HAhahaa that’s literally what I’ve been saying out loud Andy in fact the only reason i clicked this video was to hear another’s intro I hadn’t yet heard. It always cracks me up. He needs this line on a t-shirt.
Ace video! I’m an electrician wanting to get an understanding of what I’m working with when I wire up heating/hot water… THANKS AH!!!
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Allen I have been making videos for years and I just want to say what a excellent job you are doing at making these videos, thanks.
Thank you.
Do you have any tips on how to make them better and help more people. Thanks.
@@AllenHart999 Hi Allen, you give so much info which could be broken down in to smaller groups of videos as well and using the right titles, keyword and description helps. I set up a discord chat room so we can have a chat. happy New Year
Thanks.
Brilliant that Allen , I’ve been putting ptfe on my threads for years , when you explained it I though yes of coarse putting it on the thread does nothing
. Think your also spot on regarding using loctite on the tails . I’ve put loads of pt on em and they usually weep .
Can’t believe them going on about the plug socked behind rad . Like ya shed pal
Proper job
House has been rewired now so the plug didn't matter anyway. LOL
Some good tips here Allan, especially lining up for the wall and leaving the air valves out.
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Great video thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
Don't forget to always check under floorboards first before drilling them, just to make sure you don't hit another pipe, especially a gas pipe, or rupture any cables and end up with a miles bigger job, and risk electrocution! And always make the hole slightly bigger than the pipe so they're not a tight fit or else they'll make dreadful noises when they heat up and cool down.
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Great video mate
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Great vid Allen, very informative
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good vid,cheers
Glad you enjoyed it
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It Ben nicely explained thanks
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Thanks Phil Mitchell
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Hi, very useful videos!
Would I be right in saying, if you're replacing a radiator like for like, same wall, same position, same size. You just shut the valves off, disconnect the old radiator, drain it and then put in your new radiator.
If you're putting in a bigger one or moving it, you need to drain your entire system. As you have to cut into pipes.
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Superb work allen Great Vid as normal . I want to try the locktite but I'm scared lol
Just make sure it’s metal to metal, also dry and clean and you will have no issues 👍
Thank you. Excellent except for sound a bit low.
Thank you so much for the feed back.
Would the downstairs pipework not still be full of water using the filter to drain it?
Yes, But it’s the lowest drain off. Thanks.
Sir I wanna learn with you gas training please advise
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I noticed when you put the radiator you covered the socket!
The socket didn’t work. Thanks.
Fantastic job but I do not like when people hide sockets behind radiators there was one that was capped off and there was another one if that was life if that is not right sorry if I'm wrong
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Hi Allen, thanks for posting this. I'm nearly finished on my nvq level 2 plumbing. I've done both copper and steel rads, was a bit daunting at first, but you seem to have a nice easier method which I'm going to adopt. Thanks again. Did you need to put more inhibitor in on refill?
Thanks
Mike.
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Dont buy Kudox. I bought 5 Kudox radiators from Screwfix for a new central heating install in my house 4 years ago; these radiators have a 15 year guarantee. One of the radiators has started rusting from the outside at the bottom rim. I applied to Kudox for a replacement but they just said it was my fault, that I had damaged it on install which is total bs. So the guarantee is worthless. Don't buy Kudox folks.
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Great video. The only thing is....
Nails
Thanks for the view
What about the electric wall sockets behind the radiator ?
They do not work. Thanks.
I wonder if you could put the locktight 577 infront of the olive if you wanted to be overly cautious?
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great informative video but who the hell wrote the subtitles!!...someone not english? :)
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Drinking game idea... take a shot everytime he says SO ☺
Ha Ha So i am just a plain and simple plumber trying to help, so Thanks for watching
@@AllenHart999 😂😂 so! I was just taking the piss. Very helpful video though dude 🖒
@@stephyclaws So i watched your videos now, i could do with my nails doing lol.
@@AllenHart999 😂😂!! I could do a MANicure for you 😝
stephyclaws could we film it for our channels 😂😂😂
Is that level ? 🤔
Thank You
Hi Alan great video , just a question I have removed some radiators and replace them with new trvs lockshields, I then re filled the system bled rads etc , but totally forgot the inhibitor 🤯 silly me I’m going to add it today through a rad , will it have done any damage? It’s been roughly 3 days , or am I worrying about nothing 😆
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I'm a diyer and fitted 2 new rads in my house. This guy is spot on. Great work 👍
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Thinking of installing a new one in bedroom in a different location but floor is concrete under it cus of old fireplace do u think it will be ok to run and clip along wall and try and find some sort of capping to cover pipes
You can buy very nice plastic covers. Thanks.
Hi Alan when I take off my radiator from the wall when I isolate both ends of the radiator does the boiler drain down and does this mean I am unable to use my boiler until it is 're connected.
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Those little plastic bits are great for when one bracket is slightly out of level so you can use them on one side to level the rad if uv forgot to use the slots
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Are these as efficient as the cast iron?
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I will never have speedfit installation I seen them leak and burst
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How about deburring the pipe end first, before connecting it so it doesn't cause a flow restriction and noise?
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Another great informative video, im taking time out due to the covid so now starting on my house renovation 10 years too late lol. As an ex chippy please take your cordless off hammer drive to drill a hole in timber ... its more grating than ptf tape on the nut lol. I have a trianco solid fuel boiler im firing back up so I dont think I have the luxury of modern controls.
Good luck
Dude, ya forgot to mention in positioning the rad that either one or both of the tails don't fall on a joist line. Great tip about leaving the blank and bleeds out for lifting tho. How many times have the top grilles and end panels become detached when lifting on/off????
They're reyt buggers to push back on.
That tip.... committed to memory. Thanks!
I enjoy doing these videos as we are all always learning, Thanks for watching.
I don't upload as many videos as you. There are a plethora of good vids on ewe choob covering the same subject matter. Besides, my editing skills are poo.
You, PB, Al and James (hold tight) have cornered the market. I can't compete and besides repetition is boring.
Then there's that bloke in Wigan, TP
However, I will be doing a vid on why flushing "kitty litter down the shitter", is not such a good idea. WARNING... If you decide to watch it, don't have your tea at the same time. It'll put you off muesli for a lifetime...
Tom plumb is a great guy to watch, love his videos, real old school. Thanks.
Well helpful !. Allen i have a Worcester Green 30 i i need to add 2 rads do i drain down the whole system then repressure ? did not want to upset the boiler or get air in ? thanks phil. Yes i will pop inhibiter in jst incase you were going to say.
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God you make it look so easy fella!
Just found your channel and subbed straight away. The videos I've seen so far are fantastic...and yes I've already had a binge of your videos lol.
Thanks very much for sharing your knowledge and experience mate....and all the better that we're both West Yorkshire lads haha 😉
Happy to help, Thank you very much for watching.
the plastic bits on hangers help stop rust. two types metal in contact corrode
They help to stop the noise 👍
Allen you would be a fantastic school teacher for kids you can tell it your a really nice man.
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Fantastic Allen, what laser are you using & also please please please make a tools video once you have a moment. Thanks a million 🔧 p.s does it matter what side you fit the valves as in lock shield and trv? 🧐
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Thank you Allen for your very informative videos; I'm not a plumber by trade, but your videos have given me more confidence in installing the radiators (2-pipe pumped) and DHW side of my heating system in my house that I am currently renovating. I'm fitting a Gledhill Torrent Open vented thermal store, but unfortunately every heat engineer I have spoken to in my area, doesn't feel confident fitting it, and state that they have no experience fitting a thermal store, so I'm going to do it myself after spending many evenings reading the manual and reading NVQ plumbing books. Practised soldering on some scrap pipe with various capiliary fittings, and I have managed to get neat joints that don't leak. Keep up the good work, I'm an avid follower :-)
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Alan I watched a video of yours of how to remove a radiator
You allowed the water to drain with a jug.
However is this video you removed water from the entire system using a hose pipe to take the water out.
I’m slightly confused with what process to do first?
Also if I am replacing the radiators with radiators the same size, I won’t need to touch the pipes like you have ?
What's with this piping, is that what is used there? Why not copper or at least brand name pex? I am also not a fen of the valve be connected on the bottom of the radiator. The thermostatic valve on top and return on the bottom of the radiator is preferable. "Two-pipe direct return" is a preferable way to plumb this kind of radiators with thermostatic valves installed. Don't need any of those zone valves! You should offer the customer to repipe this house.
It’s my house. Thanks.
And the socket?
Its dead, We had it rewired. Thanks.
Thanks for the video Alan. Personally on olive joints I smear a little Fernox LSX does the trick
More & more plumbers are using a paste instead of tape .......
Its the way to go. 👍
Defo LSX, just pisses me off when the lid splits and keeps going off half way through a tube😞.
That's not a good idea draining all that water under the floor, as it can cause VERY destructive fungus to grow and I've seen first hand what enormous damage them things can do. And it can cause rising damp. Surely it would be better to use a self cutting valve like the ones used to plumb in washing machines and then attach a hose.
Thank You
When measuring the height from the floor for the brackets is it 200mil + 50mil + small bit at bottom of the bracket?
Thanks bro it’s very help full
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What make of radiator valves have you used there on that job in the hallway? I'll be fitting a set of six rads soon in my home and I see that those valves have a compression joint at each end and don't have the "ball and socket" style joint that I've encountered elsewhere in a friend's house, which I've found are too prone to weeping and doing all manner of damage so I don't want that type. Compression joints are much easier to seal, just like you demonstrated which is what I do with compression joints, you have to now as so many olives now are such poor quality and leak without any soft seal no matter how much you tighten them.
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What happens if you just want to replace a rusty radiator, like for like, same size ect..... but it's up stairs? In the video the under floor pipes, all the water came out, assuming this can't be done for a upstairs one? Another great video. Thanks for posting!
Just drain the full system down. Thanks.
Also does that loctite 577 set or does it stay wet and can u get old fittings out again that have been made in with it
It sets, i have never needed to take one back off but i am guessing it will be hard. Thanks.
After asking this on another video, I looked up Loctite’s product sheet, and it cures to a tensile strength of 190psi. It says fittings can be removed mechanically, but if difficult you should apply heat upto 250°C. And then clean off the residue with a wire brush and Loctite solvent. Also it suggests using beads on not just the male threads, but also the female ones on larger diameter fittings (but it doesn’t say what ‘larger’ equates to in terms of diameters!). It looks to have an operating temperature range of -55° to +150°C, which presumably might be an issue for fittings inside a boiler.
Thank you. 👍
Brilliant 577 good stuff great videos Allen thank you ❤
The sound's too faint, I'm struggling to hear even with everything turned up to full.
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Thanks mate another valuable video, looks like You can learn plumbing from your videos alone you cover subject So through and througj
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Hi Allen, did you apply silicon grease to your speedfit fittings, especially the insert? Good video mate.
bit of man spit lol ..
@@AllenHart999 Devils lube?!?!
What about the plugs hmmm
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Great video Allen. I have a problem with 2 of my Myson rads which have the built in bleed nipples on the back of the single rads and on the back and front of the double rads. These are totally stuck and cannot be opened to bleed - even a plumber was unable to open these. Do you have any suggestions for which type of key to use? I bought 3 lots which immediately broke or just keep spinning. Many thanks.
I would just replace the rads. Thanks.
Fantastic video. Very instructional and doesn't miss any steps out! Cheers bud!
Thank you for watching.
Allen you need to up your game with a 22mm socket for your Air Valves & Plus, also you need a ratchet spanner for Rad Valve tails.
Always use a joint paste(Boss White) on any compression olives.
Great video mate👍👍
I am slowing down now lol.
Conex do not specify any sealant in their tec bumph, only dry fit.
I have never used anything on compression joints in 35 yrs ,except when re fitting an existing old joint. (Or gas)
I think 22mm socket for rad plugs is a bit overkill. Rubber o ring? Finger tight plus a smidge.
Putting paste on the olives is what the cowboys do, and they think more is better, the surplus paste gets inside the pipes and clogs up valve seats and ceramic discs in the taps, when this happens the average customer is unaware of the cause, this is good for the plumber because he gets paid again to replace the clogged rad valves and ceramic discs in the taps.
Compression fittings do not need any sealant or tape on the olives, they just need to be clean and free of any scratches, they then can be dismantled and screwed back together again providing they are first cleaned.
Pity you didn't fill the old bracket holes. Takes 30 secs. Should be the same out of site as in sight......
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Hello where are you based?
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What size adjustable spanner and manufacturer were you using Alan?
No idea. sorry
Hello, when adding a radiator to the system more or less next to another within a couple of yards or so, can you just tap off the supply and return pipes or do you have to go a manifold.
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Very good video. Roughly how long to drain a complete system down have you found. 1 hour 2 hours.
Depends how big the system is and volume of water. Thanks.
Best plumber on UA-cam 👍🏼
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given it a mini flush aswell !!!
Thank you mate
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sorry allen but i need to say that when drilling holes where theres electric sockets you should take the time to check for live cables with a tester. great vid though.
We have had it rewired. Thanks.
Buderus radiator?
Not sure now. Sorry
When opening a rad I usually open it from the back I do the same usually with turning it into a bag.
I do the bottom of the bracket to the center of the tail, I like how you lie it down. Also I usually do small bracket side out. I just lean it on the wall gently then get it in place then in this scenario, I would hang it then start piping it up. This is a good video It's kinda how I have been taught to do it.
I do like using ptfe and I wrap 20 wraps round it tightly
I have no idea what any of that means but thanks for watching 👍
I didn't know john henshaw (Google him) was a plumber on the side😀
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Thanks for a great video 👏👏
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Hi Alan, Do any bi directional valves exist which are universal in terms of flow and return i need some rads fitting and cant afford a plumber
Most of the valves these days. Thanks.
Great video, but what connection would I use to drain from my filter, was going to do it from a rad with a hose but have a filter like the one in
the video 👍 also do we refill comby system from the filler loop, once job is complete
Outside tap connections work, Also washer hose. Thanks.
Great video thanks
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Thanks
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First Class video, thank you for sharing your knowledge.
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Brilliant
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How much do you charge for supply and fit radiator Allen ?
It would depend on the job, Thanks.
Stelrad flattop radiator I do like those Allen 👍
Thanks. Does direction of travel thru the rad make a difference? Can the fittings that go in the bottom holes at each end be interchanged? Thanks.
no
Very informative. Thanks for taking the trouble to make this
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Nice videos Alan really enjoyed watching it. And you share quite a lot of tips and knowledge. Thanks
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Great vid.Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it
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I'm replacing a kitchen radiator only, can I just isolate it and then just drain it or do i have to drain entire system?, also should I buy new radiator tails or can I use the old ones? Thanks for the know how and clear instructions.
Depends on the connection really. Thanks.
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And what happened to the electrical socket n all behind the rad????
It’s still behind the rad at the moment, no sure if it works or not as I didn’t test it. The house will be rewired very soon so it’s not a problem 👍
Great video 👍🏼
Check out Monuments rad spanner 2065f I find it well handy with rad valves as it doesn't mark them like grips would.
I have one somewhere. Thanks.
i use jet blue instead of ptfe
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Excellent video. Subscribed 👍🏽
Thank You
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Big up Allen. Best plumbing videos on the net.
Wow, thanks
Great video thank you. MOT 😊
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