I'm sure one day Nintendo is going to do the same kind of compilation with their own official randomizers but: - 4 seeds only. - If you manage to break logic the run restarts. - No run customization, only the Nintendo way. - Won't even randomize that much. - Under a timer.
I don't think having leaderboards in the traditional sense would've worked out for this because there's a max limit to how fast some challenges can be completed, which will then lead to 100+ 1st place players with the exact same time. A leaderboard for your friends list however would've worked great when it would get you into the competitive feel seeing how fast your friends pulled off the speedrun challenges.
oh yeah a friend leaderboard would be great. I know seeing my friend who also got Neon White around that game's launch getting insane times made me repeat those first few levels a lot to try to beat her times before I went all in on just grinding the plats & story
The rewind bit especially made me mad in some of the Metroid challenges. You're rewinding me because I touched some lava? As someone who has been playing NES Metroid for over 30 years, touching lava is like, barely consequential. Just let me jump out.
That sounds unnecessarily limiting, like you have to do things in the game a very specific way or else they slap your wrist, kinda like with you not being able to pass the 4-2 vine in SMB1.
@@Allen.Christian having a linear path with strict rules helps the non-speed-runner and the speed- runner community fight on the same ground. They compete with the same rules so someone like you playing the game for over 30 years wont have an unfair advantage. ( I get it's not for everybody, but I am fine with that )
needs online, and survival mode needs to pull from the entire (or at least much larger) pool of games. The same 3 challenges every time makes the mode completely pointless for the next week after only a few minutes
Not having a live competition mode like Super Mario 35 really hurts. I expected something like that and it just isn't here. Also, no live leaderboards. Pretty disappointing tbh. :(
2:50 Oh my god, this might be the most Nintendo design that ever Nintendo'ed. They make a game acknowledging the speedrun community and encouraging the concept, but put so many restrictions on gameplay that you can't even play properly. There's more to life than Any%!
I'll be honest. The time races for SMB levels are a bit borderline insulting when Nintendo already had a top notch SMB multiplayer experience with SMB35 . I still don't get why that game was removeds
Server costs. And well, Nintendo also tries to provide value through temporary games or games you can only temporarily get. It's a way to make cheap games that aren't substantial enough to last for years, but are fun to play for a few hours, days or even weeks. But not beyond that really since it'll just be too repetitive.
This just looks awful. "150 challenges!" Those challenges: "Press the A button!" "Good job, you pressed the A button here's a flashy graphic to make it so you feel like you accomplished something!"
I don’t get the sentiment. A lot of work still went through this to be a budget retail game. It’s not like this incredibly complements NSO, by needing an active user base, like F-Zero 99 does. Like maybe there’s an argument for it to be an Expansion Pack title, since that’s focused a bit more on new games and Nintendo hasn’t pumped out new content for Expansion Pack users now that the Mario Kart 8 DLC is finished. But I also think you’re forgetting the value of having a game like this on store shelves for old NES fans to catch their eye on.
@@kyloctopusstop defending this greedy company. if they were making it retail they should of at the very least included the full games. Collectors would kill to have a collection of NES games physically but they just love money.
@@gebii- Wasn’t defending buddy. Saying I’d rather have on retail than spend $20/year, isn’t a defence. But its funny that people talk about Wii U games people want on Switch, with NES Remix being one of the most requested ones. Now Indiezero essentially makes another and apparently it’s the laziest effort imaginable because they don’t want to sell direct ports twice.
My only two critiques are the fact that as a way to get younger people or people not familiar with speed running, it really sucks that the full games aren’t included. I don’t think it would cut into NSO’s value much at all. It would also be a cool reward for completing the Legendary challenge in each game. It would also probably incentivize people to subscribe to NSO to find more NES games beyond these 13. I don’t mind the lack of online leaderboards. It would be really hard to place. These games have been speedran for decades, so the time for each challenge can only get so low before it’s a fight to have a thousand way tie for number one. Leaderboards for your friend’s list would be cool though, and I think it would make the game a lot more fun.
If this challenge compilation of 13 NES games costs $30, they might as well just let you play the full versions, whether the NSO subscription exists or not. Feels unnecessarily money-hungry that they don’t let you.
@@aaronTGP_3756 It's like, sure NSO is cheap and has LOADS of NES games in their entirety, but you don't get to keep them, if your subscription runs out, you no longer have access to them. I honestly would have taken this being $40 if it meant officially owning these games in their entirety alongside having the NWC challenges. It just feels kinda wrong going past the vine in 4-2 in the Super Mario Bros. speedrun challenge and having the game rewind because you passed it like "ah ah ah, you don't OWN this game, silly." It's like... they're old 200KB games. They aren't too valuable to package in here. But that's just my opinion.
I agree, but I'm sure Nintendo's logic was that you have to have NSO to really play this game. So almost every player of this game has access to all of the NES games already. Maybe they were just thinking "why give them another way to play these games?"
@@nat_the_grayYeah I mean I do get their logic, they didn’t necessarily have to include them since all of the games are on the Switch through NSO. And I will say, NES Remix on the 3DS & Wii U didn’t include the full games (unless if Super Luigi Bros counts) and even had a section of the menu dedicated to the eShop. Though I don’t remember how much NES Remix 1 & 2 costed individually, I think they were $15-20 from what I remember. But I do think that game has the advantage since A) there is a readily accessible way to fully own the games B) aside from the base challenges, they really twisted those old NES games into some fascinating collaborations, whether they had visual effects or other characters in other games. The quantity (and quality) of NES games is larger in NWC, but from what I’m seeing, it doesn’t have as majorly unique challenges (which I understand due to the competitive nature of this package). I just feel like having the full versions of the games as an option to play on the side would not only increase the value of the package to make it feel like a unique collection, but it also would serve as a super cool collector’s game since there’d be a physical way to own these 13 games. Unfortunately, I suppose they’re on NSO which is pretty accessible, so I guess they didn’t want to and took extra steps to ensure you can’t play the games in their entirety here.
They just should've had the full version unlock for the games if you beat all challenges for that specific game. And perhaps a special challenge version of that game if you S-rank all challenges for that game.
I’m enjoying the game, but I’m not a big fan of the Speedrun Mode having the challenges locked behind coin locks rather than just have it be progression-based. The game already has incentive to replay it constantly through the weekly challenges, special pins that require multiple weeks of events played and all the icons which very quickly add up in coin price.
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I was broaching on an easily accessible way to get into speed-running through this game. Then I did a run through of SMB full game and out of curiosity I looked at a UA-cam video of the most optimal way. In World 1-1, the dude went through the first warp piped and shaved an entire second off my optimal 21.16 time. I immediately went into the game to try to get a new faster time in one on 1-1 only to discovered the game doesn’t allow the most optimal route lmao😂. Quickly killed my desire to want to play anymore
@@gebii- LiveSplit is the “Industry standard” timer for speed runs, and the default look of it is Green text on black background, look it up an you have an 80% chance to recognize it
My life is currently a little stressed out and this game was exactly what I needed. Turn the game on and everything that stresses me off. Really enjoying it while also saying there is much room for improvement. Gonna ask myself if they have plans to improve and expand the game. Nintendo is unpredictable so it wouldn't surprise me if they improve mechanics after user Feedback and add new stuff. If they see this as some kind of new IP, I'm curious what their plans might be.
I’m enjoying it but I really can’t stand the blurry filter the games have. If it’s going for a retro thing then at least have a decent scanline filter or give us the option for no filter.
@@squiddunintendo always use bilinier filter on every system possible I don't know why but it feels like a shy kid trying to hide all the beautiful pixel art and adding bilinier to smooth the image. Well the cost of this is the pixels unfortunately...
@@Nobody-my7kj Most of the old games never truly had "sharp pixels" when played on the common screens of the time. Still, as Sean said, if they're going for authenticity, there should be a scanline filter, not just a fuzzy one!
It would be great if they can add challenges and maybe a few more games in the future. I also hope that calling it NES edition means there will be a SNES edition and more😅
Really helpful review Steve, thanks. Unfortunately I’ll probably hold off until it gets more content, some form of online or maybe when it’s on a sale.
Honestly, I just bought it for the pins. In my country is hard to find official Nintendo merchandising like a pin so it was a win. I don't care that much for the game although I played for like an hour or so, it was fun.
I really hope they add a couple of NES games in an update or something, I feel like that could keep the game going for a while. I also HATE the rewind feature. Like why did I get put back after touching the lava in Metroid?
Totally agree about the rewind thing. Like just put me back at the begining and let me restart. I don't want to continue a bad run where I failed. Would be nice to be able to disable it.
Mario 3 has a challenge for all of World 1, why not have one for each world? It feels like the least they could have done is have a challenge for each world/dungeon for each game. Is having the full content of 13 NES games too much to ask?
I disagree with the criticism that the prescribed path removes an element of discovery from the game. I’m thinking of this as a racetrack - we’re all running the same course and overcoming the same tests. Running world 1-1 and using a pipe to skip past half the level isn’t nearly as exciting or challenging as doing so and learning to time your jump over the koopa so you can get over him and maintain speed to clear the goomba. As for enforcing the warp pipes in the beating SMB challenge … well yeah. Replays of our fastest times are saved - even if those replays are just button inputs, the amount of data that a full run of every level of SMB’s 8 worlds vs using the warp pipe is not an insignificant amount of disk space. Even beyond that - why let a player complete a strategy that is objectively inefficient? I know they made some choices with how the races are run, but I largely agree with them. We have uniform constraints to complete the race - what can we do with that?
All Stages (warpless) & Any% are 2 separate Speedrun categories for a reason. Yes, they should specify from the get-go, but yeah Skipping the game & playing fast are different things. That's why they don't let you use warps on a regular race
This game would’ve been better if it was like a nso game like Tetris 99 or f zero 99 this would’ve been a great addition . The history of the game is really cool but it just doesn’t wanna make me shell out even 30$
I like the format well enough, but I really hope they bring out editions for later consoles. Time has been a lot kinder to SNES and GBA games in particular, so I think making Nintendo World Championships games built on their libraries would be great. As it stands, there's definitely a learning curve, and I constantly found myself thinking "this is fun, but I feel like I'm fighting the controls a bit." Still, I got more into it than I expected, and I'm happy to support Nintendo actually putting out a smaller, primarily digital release again. There haven't been many in the Switch generation, and what we've had has mostly been carried by HAL Laboratory or indie developers Nintendo worked with.
I doubt there'll be anything down the line. We'll be lucky if there's a SNES edition, but Nintendo has a HABIT now of not going through with their promises.
I personally am seeing this game through the lense of it being NES Remix 3, and from that perspective I'm enjoying the game a lot, excluding the gold survival challenge
I think that if they made this an NES retro game bundle deal, where you get all of the games shown here to play in full at your leisure, and then added the speedrunning components as well, I think you would have a really cool game here. These are classic games that have been sold and resold millions of times each at this point, it would be great to give people a good deal on these games and have the speedrunning components be a way to enhance the game experience further.
I wouldn't consider this repurchasing these games by buying Nintendo World Championship: NES Edition. The only thing you can do is the challenges present here. You can't play any of them as standalone titles (that would have been nice). Idk, this game isn't what I expected. I Would have really like to have live leaderboards, and dying should immediately reset your attempt, not do some weird rewind thing that continues the attempt from where you died. Also, playing against other people live in the challenges kind of like Super Mario 35 was another thing I expected and that isn't here at all. I think Nintendo really dropped the ball with this one, and you really don't get your money's worth.
I'm really counting on Nintendo to hit us in a huge update for this. Its passable for now being a new title but how long would it take to unlock everything and what's left after that? Just one other option to play otherwise.
It's a shame they didn't do a few obvious things and I'm holding out hope it improves slightly with future patches. I sometimes enjoy watching speed runs from GDQ, I really enjoyed NES Remix (where's SNES Remix Nintendo?), and sped run Rock Boshers DX in the past (don't think I beat it, just managed to get first on a few of the levels). They really need to add more competitive gameplay elements to this so you can challenge your friends proper, get notified when they beat your score, show leaderboards comparing your scores w/ all your friends, etc.
I strongly believe that they did the games to rewind not having the freedom to go wherever you want because of the pro as you mentioning,i would love to have the collector's edition but they didn't brought it for greece!!!
NGL, mainly got this for the collectibles in the Deluxe Set. If you’re a hardcore Nintendo fan like I am and at least have a mild interest in collecting official Nintendo-produced collectibles, it’s worth having in the collection IMO.
They should have added the OG NWC 1990 cart. Without it, no thanks. Also, the OG tournament was not a speedrun challenge. Being fast helped to earn a better overall score, but it was more about overall skill than simply speed.
I recently tried a "for fun" speedrun of Mega Man 9, figured I may as well since I have it on Xbox. Only did Galaxy Man's stage for it though, since I haven't even beaten three of the Robot Master stages casually yet (and thus I still haven't even seen the Wily stages), but I can at least say with confidence that I find the idea of speedrunning the game very appealing. Though sadly I'm one of the, like, five people on Earth who still don't have an NX (the Switch's old codename, I just say NX because it sounds cooler), so I unfortunately do not have the option of trying the game out. It's fine though, I don't really have any interest in speedrunning those particular games anyway. And if anyone is wondering, no, I'm not looking at an official speedrun for Mega Man 9 to see the optimal route. Not until I've done a full run entirely on my own, with a route that makes me comfortable. I'm doing it as a way to have fun, trying to be optimal will just ruin the experience for me.
I am loving this game but absolutely agree there should have been a bit more freedom in some instances. This game also could have been notable if it let you play the entire games of the ones included as an option.
This should not be a “game”. It should be an added layer for certain NSO classic games. Start with a handful of games and expand from there. This meta layer could even form the basis for achievements across the entire system. Why they siloed this idea off into the paradigm of a title is baffling-unless they’re saving this idea for the next console.
As someone with no friends and with a respect but no nostalgia for the NES. Now a Wii or Wii U, I'd be there frame one (maybe gamecube or snes depending on what games are on it)
I think a lot of love and polish went into the execution of this game, but even with all of that it's still a worse version of the NES Remix games. Really Nintendo should've made a SNES Remix at this point.
It's a really dumb game meant to bank on the speedrunning and retro game communities without understanding anything about them. Speedrunners aren't gonna play mini game versions of emulators, and there's no point in having a reproduction NWC cart that doesn't work in an NES.
There is not enough content and worse, no promise for more down the line. I have enjoyed my time with the game yesterday and today. I can’t say I’ll be playing it tomorrow though and that is upsetting.
@@seanmcbayI'm not sure that's exactly the issue. Yes, score attack, but you still need enough to where people that aren't as into replaying this can still have a decent amount of time with it (ie a lot of people would probably only replay to get all A ranks on all challenges instead of up to S).
I only like a few nes games, so mg gut instinct is for this to be a neat novelty, I heard it did not at all allow glitches and was really annoyed, but I miiiight get it because I do enjoy speedrun challenge type games, I was OBSESSED with Neon White for like a week and wanna go back to it, it's a really fun game and if you want fast levels to get the feel of optimising without the threat of a huge run to repeat if you mess up, and don't like NES games, I'd reccomend neon white instead.
Sees like you did all you could at this point. Perhaps this season has come to an end. You've left some inroads back that could mend things and maybe that will happen but maybe it will not
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this railroaded routing actually is pretty bad considering that the strategy for 4-2 has evolved way beyond taking the vine to doing a trick to offset Mario's X-position to get him to be able to mess with the warp table and take a warp Pipe to the 4-2 warp zone. Who is this product for?
rookie speedrunners or people wanting to get the feeling of speedrunning. this was never really for actual top speedrunners, but it feels like it also fails to truly let people learn how to speedrun these games on a basic level
I was so dismissive of this when the trailer dropped and it was shown in the direct. Then for some reason I thought I would give it a try for $30 when it released. And you know what? I’m having a blast. It’s so fun. Damn you Nintendo, shut up and take my money
The game stresses me out, I keep trying to get S-rank in some of the challenges but can only get A++. Nintendo is a satanist, some of these S-ranks are insane to get!
@@EPS5000 it almost sucks, because it would've actually been really cool if they truly embraced speedrunning and encouraged getting these crazy times to make you learn how speedrunning truly goes for games like these.. but then they're also super hand-holdy and block off popular glitch shortcuts like why???
The biggest reason to purchase this package is....it will never happen again. You will never see the physical release of original NES games ever again. Further, relying on the NSO isn't the greatest of plans. Particularly because you do not own any of the games on the service. There's more... We know for a fact the Switches replacement is now imminent. Once it releases you might have a year or two before the NSO is gone but that is it. Just as buying the game digitally is also problematic. Once the NSO goes so to does your ability to access your game. Sure you could keep it saved on your Switch and pray it stays together forever. With the cart you cut back much of the risk of lost data. Just my two cents.
@cwega2463 Wow... you obviously don't know anything about this game at all, do you? You just come in and run your mouth without a clue. A good number of these games feature a full run challenge. Despite forcing the player to run a specific route...the ROMS are here fully intact. Which is something you don't get from your glorified rental service. Unlike the NSO, the games here can and will be preserved for future generations (including the challenges). Now, tell me all about being wrong again... Addendum- I am so over you, Nintendo fanbots. If you're not crying over someone else spending 60 bucks, you argue semantics like petulant children. You all have to be the most miserable group of gamers I have ever met in my life, and I have been around for ages. It's like you live to tear others down because you have nothing else going on. Addendum- Nothing says emotional outburst like a run-on sentence without any punctuation marks. Maybe work on that instead of spending all of your time trying (keyword) to correct others. ;)
They missed the biggest selling point for this one, permanent online leaderboards, having leaderboards revealed once a week is a really stupid idea, i'm glad i didn't buy this one, i was thinking about it but now that that info has come out, i'm not going to
I wish that you could do warpless in super mario bros please I want that to happen. also i thought this was going to basically be a nes remix 3. also I feel that nso will shut down someday which means you will lose all of the games nothing lasts forever is more true for that service. also I feel like i wish that virtual console comes back with the nso emulator on nintendo's next system which i feel is going to be called something else like Nintendo Something not switch 2 like wii u
Why do they never do this kind of thing for Gameboy games? Why does Nintendo only consider NES or SNES games classics? Not everyone grew up on home console games, Nintendo. But no, it's always the retro home console nostalgia that gets catered to.
I think this game will suffer from the same issue TotK has, if you’re asking me and giving me the tools to “be creative and break the game” to solve the puzzles, I don’t wanna do it, people don’t like being told what to do, people broke BotW before because they were not supposed to. In this case, they literally made a game about speedrunning, but they are asking people to speedrun the game the way they want you to, speedrunners rely on breaking games most of the time, the life of this game may be very short.
I'm sure one day Nintendo is going to do the same kind of compilation with their own official randomizers but:
- 4 seeds only.
- If you manage to break logic the run restarts.
- No run customization, only the Nintendo way.
- Won't even randomize that much.
- Under a timer.
I can't believe they just straight up put the livesplit timer in there
They know what they did
Risky your mind and this game are one both 💩
@@AcTiVeReLoAdZ You comment nothing but hate comments.
Capcom did it with the Disney Afternoon Collection.
Nintendo always owned the rights to the live timer. Anyone who says otherwise needs to get sued
I don't think having leaderboards in the traditional sense would've worked out for this because there's a max limit to how fast some challenges can be completed, which will then lead to 100+ 1st place players with the exact same time.
A leaderboard for your friends list however would've worked great when it would get you into the competitive feel seeing how fast your friends pulled off the speedrun challenges.
oh yeah a friend leaderboard would be great. I know seeing my friend who also got Neon White around that game's launch getting insane times made me repeat those first few levels a lot to try to beat her times before I went all in on just grinding the plats & story
The rewind bit especially made me mad in some of the Metroid challenges. You're rewinding me because I touched some lava? As someone who has been playing NES Metroid for over 30 years, touching lava is like, barely consequential. Just let me jump out.
That sounds unnecessarily limiting, like you have to do things in the game a very specific way or else they slap your wrist, kinda like with you not being able to pass the 4-2 vine in SMB1.
As someone who’s never actually played Metroid, I’m just laughing at the phrase “Touching lava is barely consequential” out of context.
@@Allen.Christian having a linear path with strict rules helps the non-speed-runner and the speed- runner community fight on the same ground. They compete with the same rules so someone like you playing the game for over 30 years wont have an unfair advantage. ( I get it's not for everybody, but I am fine with that )
@@RyderPlatinumWarpstar- exactly, even though the real speedrun strat does exactly that
So it’s just NES Remix again. Got it.
needs online, and survival mode needs to pull from the entire (or at least much larger) pool of games. The same 3 challenges every time makes the mode completely pointless for the next week after only a few minutes
the legendary trial still seems like the best part of the game
It's Kosmic!!
Not having a live competition mode like Super Mario 35 really hurts. I expected something like that and it just isn't here. Also, no live leaderboards. Pretty disappointing tbh. :(
2:50 Oh my god, this might be the most Nintendo design that ever Nintendo'ed. They make a game acknowledging the speedrun community and encouraging the concept, but put so many restrictions on gameplay that you can't even play properly. There's more to life than Any%!
I'll be honest. The time races for SMB levels are a bit borderline insulting when Nintendo already had a top notch SMB multiplayer experience with SMB35 . I still don't get why that game was removeds
Because Nintendo hates its customer base
Server costs. And well, Nintendo also tries to provide value through temporary games or games you can only temporarily get. It's a way to make cheap games that aren't substantial enough to last for years, but are fun to play for a few hours, days or even weeks. But not beyond that really since it'll just be too repetitive.
It’s weird cause this game feels like WarioWare but purely NES games
Colloquially known as "NES Remix"
Kind of, but I don't think it's that good unfortunately.
This just looks awful. "150 challenges!" Those challenges: "Press the A button!" "Good job, you pressed the A button here's a flashy graphic to make it so you feel like you accomplished something!"
The challenges are tough to get an S rank.
Good job. You completely misunderstood the point of the game. 👍
Thanks for this honest video. You made me feel better about my decision to skip this one.
This game feels like it should be free with NSO instead you being charged 30$ for this...
I don’t get the sentiment. A lot of work still went through this to be a budget retail game. It’s not like this incredibly complements NSO, by needing an active user base, like F-Zero 99 does.
Like maybe there’s an argument for it to be an Expansion Pack title, since that’s focused a bit more on new games and Nintendo hasn’t pumped out new content for Expansion Pack users now that the Mario Kart 8 DLC is finished. But I also think you’re forgetting the value of having a game like this on store shelves for old NES fans to catch their eye on.
@@kyloctopusstop defending this greedy company. if they were making it retail they should of at the very least included the full games. Collectors would kill to have a collection of NES games physically but they just love money.
@@gebii- Wasn’t defending buddy. Saying I’d rather have on retail than spend $20/year, isn’t a defence. But its funny that people talk about Wii U games people want on Switch, with NES Remix being one of the most requested ones. Now Indiezero essentially makes another and apparently it’s the laziest effort imaginable because they don’t want to sell direct ports twice.
@@gebii-trying to dismiss his points by pulling the “evil greedy corporation” card doesn’t make your points any more valid
@@kyloctopus To me, it feels very lacking and like a low effort release. I've been pretty disappointed with it myself. :/
is this a $60 worth title in north america? No. Is it worth $30 everywhere else? Maybe. How about $15 like NES Remix 1 and 2? Yeah definitely!
My only two critiques are the fact that as a way to get younger people or people not familiar with speed running, it really sucks that the full games aren’t included. I don’t think it would cut into NSO’s value much at all. It would also be a cool reward for completing the Legendary challenge in each game. It would also probably incentivize people to subscribe to NSO to find more NES games beyond these 13.
I don’t mind the lack of online leaderboards. It would be really hard to place. These games have been speedran for decades, so the time for each challenge can only get so low before it’s a fight to have a thousand way tie for number one. Leaderboards for your friend’s list would be cool though, and I think it would make the game a lot more fun.
If this challenge compilation of 13 NES games costs $30, they might as well just let you play the full versions, whether the NSO subscription exists or not.
Feels unnecessarily money-hungry that they don’t let you.
It's especially weird because NSO is $20 per year, while having 76 fewer NES games.
@@aaronTGP_3756 It's like, sure NSO is cheap and has LOADS of NES games in their entirety, but you don't get to keep them, if your subscription runs out, you no longer have access to them.
I honestly would have taken this being $40 if it meant officially owning these games in their entirety alongside having the NWC challenges. It just feels kinda wrong going past the vine in 4-2 in the Super Mario Bros. speedrun challenge and having the game rewind because you passed it like "ah ah ah, you don't OWN this game, silly."
It's like... they're old 200KB games. They aren't too valuable to package in here. But that's just my opinion.
I agree, but I'm sure Nintendo's logic was that you have to have NSO to really play this game. So almost every player of this game has access to all of the NES games already. Maybe they were just thinking "why give them another way to play these games?"
@@nat_the_grayYeah I mean I do get their logic, they didn’t necessarily have to include them since all of the games are on the Switch through NSO.
And I will say, NES Remix on the 3DS & Wii U didn’t include the full games (unless if Super Luigi Bros counts) and even had a section of the menu dedicated to the eShop. Though I don’t remember how much NES Remix 1 & 2 costed individually, I think they were $15-20 from what I remember. But I do think that game has the advantage since A) there is a readily accessible way to fully own the games
B) aside from the base challenges, they really twisted those old NES games into some fascinating collaborations, whether they had visual effects or other characters in other games.
The quantity (and quality) of NES games is larger in NWC, but from what I’m seeing, it doesn’t have as majorly unique challenges (which I understand due to the competitive nature of this package).
I just feel like having the full versions of the games as an option to play on the side would not only increase the value of the package to make it feel like a unique collection, but it also would serve as a super cool collector’s game since there’d be a physical way to own these 13 games. Unfortunately, I suppose they’re on NSO which is pretty accessible, so I guess they didn’t want to and took extra steps to ensure you can’t play the games in their entirety here.
They just should've had the full version unlock for the games if you beat all challenges for that specific game. And perhaps a special challenge version of that game if you S-rank all challenges for that game.
If Nintendo had more big games coming out this year then it would be an Expansion Pack game…
I’m enjoying the game, but I’m not a big fan of the Speedrun Mode having the challenges locked behind coin locks rather than just have it be progression-based. The game already has incentive to replay it constantly through the weekly challenges, special pins that require multiple weeks of events played and all the icons which very quickly add up in coin price.
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This game is dead on release every record recording game should always be able too detect this dog water game wont😂
That makes zero difference since you replay the game a lot.
@@AcTiVeReLoAdZCringe
I was broaching on an easily accessible way to get into speed-running through this game. Then I did a run through of SMB full game and out of curiosity I looked at a UA-cam video of the most optimal way. In World 1-1, the dude went through the first warp piped and shaved an entire second off my optimal 21.16 time. I immediately went into the game to try to get a new faster time in one on 1-1 only to discovered the game doesn’t allow the most optimal route lmao😂. Quickly killed my desire to want to play anymore
what threw me for a loop is how Nintendo just unabashedly took the LiveSplit Timer and slapped it into the game
What i the livesplit timer i keep seeing this comment
@@gebii- LiveSplit is the “Industry standard” timer for speed runs, and the default look of it is Green text on black background, look it up an you have an 80% chance to recognize it
@@gebii-its the timer in the bottom left corner of the screen
It's a timer, is time proprietary now in green text?
@@BryantheArchivist amb nice bait, to bad my bain functions better than a 6 year old
Playing this makes me miss Mario 35 even more than I already did.
This game would benefit greatly from updates, new challenges or even games from time to time. Keep you coming back.
My life is currently a little stressed out and this game was exactly what I needed. Turn the game on and everything that stresses me off. Really enjoying it while also saying there is much room for improvement. Gonna ask myself if they have plans to improve and expand the game. Nintendo is unpredictable so it wouldn't surprise me if they improve mechanics after user Feedback and add new stuff. If they see this as some kind of new IP, I'm curious what their plans might be.
I’m enjoying it but I really can’t stand the blurry filter the games have. If it’s going for a retro thing then at least have a decent scanline filter or give us the option for no filter.
genuinely why do they look like that? the emulation on NSO is so much better why are we back at Wii emulation?!
@@squiddunintendo always use bilinier filter on every system possible I don't know why but it feels like a shy kid trying to hide all the beautiful pixel art and adding bilinier to smooth the image. Well the cost of this is the pixels unfortunately...
@@Nobody-my7kj Most of the old games never truly had "sharp pixels" when played on the common screens of the time. Still, as Sean said, if they're going for authenticity, there should be a scanline filter, not just a fuzzy one!
It would be great if they can add challenges and maybe a few more games in the future.
I also hope that calling it NES edition means there will be a SNES edition and more😅
Really helpful review Steve, thanks. Unfortunately I’ll probably hold off until it gets more content, some form of online or maybe when it’s on a sale.
Honestly, I just bought it for the pins. In my country is hard to find official Nintendo merchandising like a pin so it was a win. I don't care that much for the game although I played for like an hour or so, it was fun.
Excellent coverage.
I really hope they add a couple of NES games in an update or something, I feel like that could keep the game going for a while.
I also HATE the rewind feature. Like why did I get put back after touching the lava in Metroid?
Totally agree about the rewind thing. Like just put me back at the begining and let me restart. I don't want to continue a bad run where I failed. Would be nice to be able to disable it.
Mario 3 has a challenge for all of World 1, why not have one for each world? It feels like the least they could have done is have a challenge for each world/dungeon for each game. Is having the full content of 13 NES games too much to ask?
You don't sound very confused despite the title you chose for this video.
I just personally think it doesn’t have the same fun factor that the NES Remix games had. I miss the Remix stages so much.
I disagree with the criticism that the prescribed path removes an element of discovery from the game. I’m thinking of this as a racetrack - we’re all running the same course and overcoming the same tests. Running world 1-1 and using a pipe to skip past half the level isn’t nearly as exciting or challenging as doing so and learning to time your jump over the koopa so you can get over him and maintain speed to clear the goomba.
As for enforcing the warp pipes in the beating SMB challenge … well yeah. Replays of our fastest times are saved - even if those replays are just button inputs, the amount of data that a full run of every level of SMB’s 8 worlds vs using the warp pipe is not an insignificant amount of disk space. Even beyond that - why let a player complete a strategy that is objectively inefficient?
I know they made some choices with how the races are run, but I largely agree with them. We have uniform constraints to complete the race - what can we do with that?
All Stages (warpless) & Any% are 2 separate Speedrun categories for a reason.
Yes, they should specify from the get-go, but yeah Skipping the game & playing fast are different things. That's why they don't let you use warps on a regular race
This game would’ve been better if it was like a nso game like Tetris 99 or f zero 99 this would’ve been a great addition . The history of the game is really cool but it just doesn’t wanna make me shell out even 30$
The "NES Edition" part of the title gives me hope they'll follow up with other console editions down the line...
I can't believe there is no way to just play the games without the railroading of the challenges, nintendo needs to patch this in.
Wasn’t this a game mode in ultimate nes remix, I think this just doesn’t have enough content for the price
I like the format well enough, but I really hope they bring out editions for later consoles. Time has been a lot kinder to SNES and GBA games in particular, so I think making Nintendo World Championships games built on their libraries would be great. As it stands, there's definitely a learning curve, and I constantly found myself thinking "this is fun, but I feel like I'm fighting the controls a bit." Still, I got more into it than I expected, and I'm happy to support Nintendo actually putting out a smaller, primarily digital release again. There haven't been many in the Switch generation, and what we've had has mostly been carried by HAL Laboratory or indie developers Nintendo worked with.
I dont know why they don‘t implemented that we can compare our times with our friends and even watch their ghosts
I doubt there'll be anything down the line. We'll be lucky if there's a SNES edition, but Nintendo has a HABIT now of not going through with their promises.
I personally am seeing this game through the lense of it being NES Remix 3, and from that perspective I'm enjoying the game a lot, excluding the gold survival challenge
It basically is, it's even made by the same devs
This game kinda reminds me of the mission mode from Sonic Origins with the ranking system and everything
Got my digital copy at launch, loving it so far
I would like this game more if it was a collection of the full nes games and with the option of playing the speed run challenges
To me this game feels like a poor mans nes remix.
I hooe we get nes remix 3 or snes remix
This is NOT NES REMIX the clue is in the title, so why compare KID 💀
It’s going for a different thing. I prefer NES Remix though still even though I’m enjoying this.
@@seanmcbay Have you enjoyed it in party mode with actual players in the same room, that’s something NES remix didn’t have
Exactly. They should have made a real new Nes Remix instead.
I think that if they made this an NES retro game bundle deal, where you get all of the games shown here to play in full at your leisure, and then added the speedrunning components as well, I think you would have a really cool game here. These are classic games that have been sold and resold millions of times each at this point, it would be great to give people a good deal on these games and have the speedrunning components be a way to enhance the game experience further.
I wouldn't consider this repurchasing these games by buying Nintendo World Championship: NES Edition. The only thing you can do is the challenges present here. You can't play any of them as standalone titles (that would have been nice). Idk, this game isn't what I expected. I Would have really like to have live leaderboards, and dying should immediately reset your attempt, not do some weird rewind thing that continues the attempt from where you died. Also, playing against other people live in the challenges kind of like Super Mario 35 was another thing I expected and that isn't here at all. I think Nintendo really dropped the ball with this one, and you really don't get your money's worth.
This game has rekindled this 43 yr old with his old buddy the thumb callus.
I hope Nintendo does something at the Portland Retro Game Expo with this game. It'd be a perfect fit
I'm really counting on Nintendo to hit us in a huge update for this. Its passable for now being a new title but how long would it take to unlock everything and what's left after that? Just one other option to play otherwise.
If this doesn't sell well I wonder if they'd put it on the NSO Expansion Pack?
Doesn't seem likely.
It's a shame they didn't do a few obvious things and I'm holding out hope it improves slightly with future patches. I sometimes enjoy watching speed runs from GDQ, I really enjoyed NES Remix (where's SNES Remix Nintendo?), and sped run Rock Boshers DX in the past (don't think I beat it, just managed to get first on a few of the levels). They really need to add more competitive gameplay elements to this so you can challenge your friends proper, get notified when they beat your score, show leaderboards comparing your scores w/ all your friends, etc.
I strongly believe that they did the games to rewind not having the freedom to go wherever you want because of the pro as you mentioning,i would love to have the collector's edition but they didn't brought it for greece!!!
NGL, mainly got this for the collectibles in the Deluxe Set. If you’re a hardcore Nintendo fan like I am and at least have a mild interest in collecting official Nintendo-produced collectibles, it’s worth having in the collection IMO.
They should have added the OG NWC 1990 cart. Without it, no thanks.
Also, the OG tournament was not a speedrun challenge. Being fast helped to earn a better overall score, but it was more about overall skill than simply speed.
I recently tried a "for fun" speedrun of Mega Man 9, figured I may as well since I have it on Xbox. Only did Galaxy Man's stage for it though, since I haven't even beaten three of the Robot Master stages casually yet (and thus I still haven't even seen the Wily stages), but I can at least say with confidence that I find the idea of speedrunning the game very appealing. Though sadly I'm one of the, like, five people on Earth who still don't have an NX (the Switch's old codename, I just say NX because it sounds cooler), so I unfortunately do not have the option of trying the game out. It's fine though, I don't really have any interest in speedrunning those particular games anyway.
And if anyone is wondering, no, I'm not looking at an official speedrun for Mega Man 9 to see the optimal route. Not until I've done a full run entirely on my own, with a route that makes me comfortable. I'm doing it as a way to have fun, trying to be optimal will just ruin the experience for me.
I am loving this game but absolutely agree there should have been a bit more freedom in some instances. This game also could have been notable if it let you play the entire games of the ones included as an option.
No friends gang rise up
Hell yeah, brother! Luckily I love speedrunning so the solo content will probably be enough for me.
This should not be a “game”. It should be an added layer for certain NSO classic games. Start with a handful of games and expand from there. This meta layer could even form the basis for achievements across the entire system. Why they siloed this idea off into the paradigm of a title is baffling-unless they’re saving this idea for the next console.
As someone with no friends and with a respect but no nostalgia for the NES. Now a Wii or Wii U, I'd be there frame one (maybe gamecube or snes depending on what games are on it)
Its neat, thats it
And I see it since that makes me want to play and ultimate nes remix
I think a lot of love and polish went into the execution of this game, but even with all of that it's still a worse version of the NES Remix games. Really Nintendo should've made a SNES Remix at this point.
It's absolutely typical of Nintendo to recognise speedrunning as a thing and then immedietly start saying "No you're not allowed to do it like that".
Hey we'll take what we can get
It's a really dumb game meant to bank on the speedrunning and retro game communities without understanding anything about them. Speedrunners aren't gonna play mini game versions of emulators, and there's no point in having a reproduction NWC cart that doesn't work in an NES.
I'd rather play Trackmania Turbo Hotseat mode with friends than this.
This game reminds me of Ultimate NES Remix
Surprised you didn't mention anything about glitches.
I would have thought this would be free with switch online like Tetris99
There is not enough content and worse, no promise for more down the line. I have enjoyed my time with the game yesterday and today. I can’t say I’ll be playing it tomorrow though and that is upsetting.
I suggest you play it with friends in local multiplayer, that’s where the real fun is
It’s a score attack game. It’s not for you if you’re the kind of person that just wants to beat each challenge once.
@@seanmcbayI'm not sure that's exactly the issue. Yes, score attack, but you still need enough to where people that aren't as into replaying this can still have a decent amount of time with it (ie a lot of people would probably only replay to get all A ranks on all challenges instead of up to S).
I’ll pass ! Not for me
I wish they ported the NES Remix games for the switch.
I'd rather play NES Remix. It's so weird there isn't a version on Switch
30$ for nes remix again but without the cool remix challenges and less overall games (nes remix 1+2 was 30$ and had 28 games) hard pass
So this is literally a fake speedrunner. I almost fell for it.
audio doesn't sync by a few frames
I only like a few nes games, so mg gut instinct is for this to be a neat novelty, I heard it did not at all allow glitches and was really annoyed, but I miiiight get it because I do enjoy speedrun challenge type games, I was OBSESSED with Neon White for like a week and wanna go back to it, it's a really fun game and if you want fast levels to get the feel of optimising without the threat of a huge run to repeat if you mess up, and don't like NES games, I'd reccomend neon white instead.
I can't speak for all games, but it definetley allows some glitches. Kosmic was doing some on SMB1.
This release reminds me of nes remix on 3ds and wiiu
...I just wanted NES Remix. T.T
Sees like you did all you could at this point. Perhaps this season has come to an end. You've left some inroads back that could mend things and maybe that will happen but maybe it will not
As a speedrunner, I enjoy it.
Shhhh you hacker we all know you hack qll speed runners have a bad rep unless no one knows that speed runners are theeeeee biggest cheats have fun with bs records whether they be yours or someone else's 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Lets have fun who has the better cheats😊
Buncha 🤡 this game will be dead on release... Only dumb weirdos play this😂😂😂😂😂
this railroaded routing actually is pretty bad considering that the strategy for 4-2 has evolved way beyond taking the vine to doing a trick to offset Mario's X-position to get him to be able to mess with the warp table and take a warp Pipe to the 4-2 warp zone.
Who is this product for?
rookie speedrunners or people wanting to get the feeling of speedrunning.
this was never really for actual top speedrunners, but it feels like it also fails to truly let people learn how to speedrun these games on a basic level
I really want snes edition
I really liked it! Thank you for a great time! 🍓🌺
I was so dismissive of this when the trailer dropped and it was shown in the direct. Then for some reason I thought I would give it a try for $30 when it released. And you know what? I’m having a blast. It’s so fun. Damn you Nintendo, shut up and take my money
The game stresses me out, I keep trying to get S-rank in some of the challenges but can only get A++. Nintendo is a satanist, some of these S-ranks are insane to get!
That's what makes it a championship!
@@TheDudeWhoCommented yeah but when your time is 2.41 seconds and it’s still just A++ then you know Nintendo is being unreasonable.
@@EPS5000eh, there’s no reason to go for S rank other than your own satisfaction, you only get the badges for getting A rank
@@ambrm That’s the reason, for my own satisfaction. I like the feeling of looking at all the S’s on my screen and when I see A++ it makes me frown.
@@EPS5000 it almost sucks, because it would've actually been really cool if they truly embraced speedrunning and encouraged getting these crazy times to make you learn how speedrunning truly goes for games like these.. but then they're also super hand-holdy and block off popular glitch shortcuts like why???
The biggest reason to purchase this package is....it will never happen again. You will never see the physical release of original NES games ever again. Further, relying on the NSO isn't the greatest of plans. Particularly because you do not own any of the games on the service. There's more...
We know for a fact the Switches replacement is now imminent. Once it releases you might have a year or two before the NSO is gone but that is it. Just as buying the game digitally is also problematic. Once the NSO goes so to does your ability to access your game. Sure you could keep it saved on your Switch and pray it stays together forever. With the cart you cut back much of the risk of lost data. Just my two cents.
this game doesn’t come with the full versions of the NES games though so your entire point is invalid
@cwega2463
Wow... you obviously don't know anything about this game at all, do you? You just come in and run your mouth without a clue. A good number of these games feature a full run challenge. Despite forcing the player to run a specific route...the ROMS are here fully intact. Which is something you don't get from your glorified rental service. Unlike the NSO, the games here can and will be preserved for future generations (including the challenges). Now, tell me all about being wrong again...
Addendum- I am so over you, Nintendo fanbots. If you're not crying over someone else spending 60 bucks, you argue semantics like petulant children. You all have to be the most miserable group of gamers I have ever met in my life, and I have been around for ages. It's like you live to tear others down because you have nothing else going on.
Addendum- Nothing says emotional outburst like a run-on sentence without any punctuation marks. Maybe work on that instead of spending all of your time trying (keyword) to correct others. ;)
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No, it's impossible with today's tech.
It's why games like Tower Fall doesn't have online play.
I thought this was online but its just ghosts, pretty lame.
They missed the biggest selling point for this one, permanent online leaderboards, having leaderboards revealed once a week is a really stupid idea, i'm glad i didn't buy this one, i was thinking about it but now that that info has come out, i'm not going to
It's NES Remix 3. You get what you get
the reailty is, this game (as well as nes remix 1 and 2) just show how good nes games were/are.
I’m done with modern gaming
It is a fun game!
I wish that you could do warpless in super mario bros please I want that to happen. also i thought this was going to basically be a nes remix 3. also I feel that nso will shut down someday which means you will lose all of the games nothing lasts forever is more true for that service. also I feel like i wish that virtual console comes back with the nso emulator on nintendo's next system which i feel is going to be called something else like Nintendo Something not switch 2 like wii u
i was going to buy this game thinking i was going to get complete games on cart but when i found out its not i changed my mind
Why do they never do this kind of thing for Gameboy games?
Why does Nintendo only consider NES or SNES games classics?
Not everyone grew up on home console games, Nintendo.
But no, it's always the retro home console nostalgia that gets catered to.
no.
This is for me!!! Thank you, and you earned yourself another sub and two thumbs up!!!
Awesome, thank you!
I think this game will suffer from the same issue TotK has, if you’re asking me and giving me the tools to “be creative and break the game” to solve the puzzles, I don’t wanna do it, people don’t like being told what to do, people broke BotW before because they were not supposed to.
In this case, they literally made a game about speedrunning, but they are asking people to speedrun the game the way they want you to, speedrunners rely on breaking games most of the time, the life of this game may be very short.