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Forgot to say towards the end: generally don't want to use calibans with this because you want the trash mobs to stay alive 😂 was trying inmost light but didn't seem to increase grapple melee damage. Really all you need is synthoceps! Thanks for watching
@@woomyboy98 that's what I thought. I swear on warlock I saw higher numbers once, but I've barely had time to think since TFS came out lol. Will dive deeper into combos of Hoil in the future
Was there a reason you were intentionally missing a shotgun shot between punches in the first damage rotation? As a hunter main, I’m fairly new to the tips and tricks of grapple melee/one two punch combo.
@@BenAlfredo7 I explain in the video somewhere but it's just to get out of invis, making sure stylish procs again correctly. You don't have to do it but it seems more consistent
@@AlfaKenyBudthey fixed the glitch with that, and you don’t really wanna take Liars Handshake or Nighthawk off or you won’t be getting extra damage/super on headshots
@@trainershade1937 or just make it consume the grenade charge when you hit an enemy? Refund the grapple if you don't. That seems like an easy fix to me.
@@jhemp That would also make a lot sense. Based on their own statements, the entire point of the grapple points is to give us greater access to grapple as a movement option. So why are they letting us go against that purpose? At the very least make it so the melee hit consumes the 50% charge it's supposed to.
I love how they nerfed the sh out of every titan melee exotic not so long ago. And yet, today, the "same" exotics (spirits) on class items have barely been adjusted and multiply insanely with each other. I mean, who could have seen that coming ... Right ?
@hoping_on_hope please tell when. Cause Hunter Stasis lasted for over 1 year. GG Hunter with helmet did more than any other super, next highest was Star Eaters. Titans had health regen and decent damage. Meanwhile Warlocks and Titans got absolutely shit on with nerfs. Well is useless and Titan, who is supposed to be the tank melee builder is ruined.
Titans: "took my whole flow!" But seriously though, it kinda rough staying as a titan main right now and the one thing we're good at, another class can do it plus the celestial goldie snipes. Bungie really needs to sit down and talk this out.
Yeah man I’m a Titan main always do story on Titan first. Banner of war is still good but it just feels like the amount of options you have on hunter in a variety of situations is just a no brainer for getting through most content.
@@RequiemL34 Crownsplitter and thronecleaver for life, and wave frame ergo sum to deal with bs shields. Or perfect 5th on a caster frame and keep retriggering the passive to output dmg decently at range. Working on farming a caster frame rn. For the crownsplitter I have a bunch of different ones I collected long ago, I use to run whirlwind tireless, but this season i swapped back to flashcounter and counter attack. Get a source of weaken, combine with seasonal dmg amp with weaken targets, heavy attack and all of a sudden im a peregrine 1 smacking with 400k dmg with a chunk of buffs up. Otherwise with aggresive frames I went went tireless vorpal preferred. You could go doulbe special, but im currently running the blast furnace with frenzy and kinetic tremors, it kinda fills that gap between the lack of a special weapon, and a good primary. The Strand rocket sidearm is also good with hatchling for easy clear. Could also go succession with recomb and reconstruction for some pocket dmg.
@@hoping_on_hopeYeah we are the "meele" class what do u expect from us, meanwhile hunters casually doing over 4m dps with a primary, having a lot of exotics like Assassin's cowl, gyrafalcon's, and other broken exotics every time and getting 0 nerfs, keep crying.
Question: Why are you shooting your initial shotgun shot away from the boss then shooting him with a follow-up? At first I thought it was to just get out of invisibility, but doesn’t the first shot accomplish that and why not just shoot the boss directly with the first shot?
kinda crazy the amount of cool and unique builds hunters and warlocks can get but a lot of titan builds revolve around melees (which is fair since bungie wants them to be the melee class which I hate) but the game is really not made for melees and bungie clearly doesn't like melee build but when a melee titan build gets too hot its a problem.
@@trainershade1937 List at least 3 please. I need different builds. And not builds that cause your abilities to be on a 2 minute cooldown because I don't consider those "builds".
Bro you obviously only consider something a build if it can kill a dungeon boss in 10 seconds flat, which is just something broken as shit and probably unintended, that's certainly going to catch a nerf.
@@emiliotello3455 ...sigh... Alright, I'm upset. I actually DID post a few builds in response to the other person, but it looks like UA-cam has deleted the comment. I'll just summarize and try to get rid of any "problematic" keywords (I suspect it's our abilities that rhyme with "upgrade" that triggered it): Void: Offensive Bulwark and Controlled Demolition. Scatter or Vortex with Shield Throw. Echo of Expulsion, Persistence, and Starvation, along with either Obscurity or Remnants (the latter for Vortex). Super based on the scenario. Arc: Touch of Thunder and Knockout. Pulse with Thunderclap preferably. Spark of Beacons, Ions, Shock, and Magnitude. Thundercrash (of course). Stasis: Tectonic Harvest and Howl of the Storm. Glacier. Whisper of Fissures, Shards, and Rime, along with either Bonds or Rending (your choice). Armamentarium is the preferred exotic for most of the builds, though HoIL also works well. Arc actually does well enough without them, so you can run a different exotic if you want. If you're running Sentinel Shield on Void though, then Doomfang is phenomenal. I'd also say Hazardous Propulsion in general is a good non-melee option.
main titan here, as soon i saw titan prismatic and our aspects , which are kinda shit and limit our build capacity a ton, i swapped to warlock, did the campaign and warlock prismatic is actually really good, and they got healing grenade.
I still keep seeing people argue saying titans are not in a bad spot which is kinda funny to me. Titans are in a bad spot its just a fact BUT I do think next "episode"/season this will be fixed with a new aspect or exotic. The same thing happened when lightfall came out titans had very little class identity and then we got banner of war. Now titans are having a really bad identity crisis since hunters can do everything a titan can but better.
Imo, titan's still have a better grapple melee with wormgods and titan's prismatic build is overall more consistent except for celestial still hunt, which is undoubtedly getting nerfed into the ground. Inmost light/syntho or star-eater is absolutely busted on titan because of the amount of abilities and titan's new super is just a better tether.
4:30 theres some points in the campain where if you pickup the objectives in transcendance you return to your normal grenade for the rest of it. i think in strikes to but i know in the campain
Next patch "There seems to be an issue where spirit of synthoceps is performing better than the actual exotic so we're going to nerf it to where it's unusable also given that the hunter grapple melee is doing a significant amount of damage we are also going to nerf that and also add a cool down in between grapple melee attack for hunters"
Hmm, I don't see how that screws over Titans so I can already tell you that's not how it'll go. Maybe disabling synthoceps entirely or removing multicative scaling for damage in general, but if it doesn't screw over titans it's probably not going to happen at all.
@@fareflight2029 PVE?? absolutely not. in pvp tho, no counter play W H A T S O E V E R *ignore gls, barricades, grenades, shotguns, melees, team play, ganging up on the titan within the bubble, well being better than bubble in a melee battle, pretty much any ult being able to kill a bubble/the titan within the bubble easily!!!*
@@jamesshreve8729 Yes James, i am fun at parties, when i'm not trying to get people to stop coping on how titan is genuine ass outside of strand and solar (NOT EVERYONE LIKES SOLAR/STRAND)
I think the best exotic class item for this combo is going to be Galinors with Syntho. Galinor refunds super energy on hits, and from what I've heard (haven't gotten one to test myself) it is more effective at returning shadowshot energy than Orpheus Rig.
Not really. Spirit of galanor only counts the initial hits. Enemies that walk into the tether after the initial shot do not provide super gains, so orpheus is still more consistent.
@@jshock2008 False. The damage spreading effect of tether provides energy refund through galanor. This requires less enemies to receive 50% of super when compared to orpheus.
And from what I've seen from other comments, I'm not sure this will work every time. Just seems to be really inconsistent. Orpheus is a lot more consistent.
He breaks invis because activating grapple melee takes you out of invis, which would prevent you from getting the 3x stylish damage buff. You have to make sure you activate grapple before going invis so you can get that damage. So combo is shotgun + grapple --> go invis --> grapple melee
If you have it, you can use Buried Bloodline to get weaken very easily (also devour for your grapple). I would run that with a kinetic one-two punch shotgun.
Hunters were supposed to be the "agility/speed" class, but have never been the fastest (at base); that honor went to Titans until Shatter/Wellskating came along. So really this is just the completion of a trade that started nearly a decade ago. 😌👌
@@fastmovingvolcanomatterwhat trade? Behemoth had speed at the launc but it was heavily nerfed. Cryoclasm was nerfed again at this expansion, so what trade? There is no trade because Titans do not have speed or agility.
@@CocaCola51 Can't you just wait for too stylish debuff to run out and when you shoot your shotgun you'll go out of invis and trigger stylish again? Also hi CocaCola51 lol
@@ghostrick9824 not a victim complex just that's the only combo we could do 12P + Syntho + whatever punches hard. Now the "punch class" isn't even the best at doing that. Just annoying they made Titans melee focused and got mad when we punched too hard. There's a reason that only 100 Titans cleared the day 1 raid out of 4000 guardians.
@@charliecarlisle5912 Punching literally has 0 reason for why few Titans cleared contest Salvation's Edge. It's literally because Still Hunt + Celestial is obscenely broken. That's the only reason lmao
That banner is a bigger deal then i think alot of people give it credit when running something like this. Most of a hunters healing or survival kits kinda screw this up, yea you can run withering blade like they suggest here with the facet that triggers health regen, but the problem you'll often run into is withering to too effective at content that matches your level (nukes 3 or more red bars) which you need for the tether later, and at higher level content doesn't do enough damage to nuke 1 thus leaving you stuck. While this is undoubtly a solid setup, its alot harder to pull off consistently vs the older wormgod setups more moving parts that you simply can't control for
So not only have titans only received nerfs in final shape and a lackluster prismatic kit, but hunters just straight up got our only useful exotic and can use it to greater effect than we ever could? I bet that these same hunter mains will point out banner of war as a defense even though banner of war wasn't 4 tapping dungeon bosses at -5 under with no set up required like hunters are currently allowed to do.
y'all are so insanely delusional cause hunters have been asking for nerfs to stuff since D1of TFS like right now we're only Celestial Still Hunt bots and it's just insanely OP that it's boring. No room for anyone to use the new Hunter super or any of the fun gimmicky builds because of Celestial Still Hunt and now this. At least Titans and Warlocks are having fun with their wacky combos and fun gimmicks. not to mention titans and warlocks have been on top of the PvE meta since season of the haunted, y'all can take at least one episode underperforming lol
Titans and Warlocks have been broken for YEARS worth of time. When Hunters are broken, it gets fixed or changed within weeks and sometimes even days. Warlocks and Titans ate good FOR YEARS. I wish everyone would kindly be quiet and let Hunters enjoy a moment of awesomeness without every single Warlock and Titan main crying like a 5 year old.
@@hoping_on_hopefor real man. Finally someone said it. Not too long ago I was being kicked out of raids because I was playing hunter. Now we finally have some time to shine
@@hoping_on_hopenope. That’s a fabrication that is happening in your head. Hunters need to be nerfed to the ground exactly like Titans were. Maybe left with a single viable subclass for high level content.
Wasn't grapple not supposed to refound completely after a succesful melee even on a grapple point ? Maybe they only applied the nerf to strand subclass and not prismatic in pure bungie fashion.
the change was to the grapple point itself, not the grenade refund. Before TFS, grappling a Grapple point would refresh its dissapearance countdown fully, letting you theoretically keep a grapple point up infinitely if you just kept on grappling. Now it gets diminishing returns until it lasts very little between grapples. It really, really doesn't matter for those 15-20 second DPS phases
Tbh just 2 changes to fix this. Stylish Execution melee bonus no longer applies damage bonus to charged melees (it’s not meant to) and One Two punch no longer increases grapple melee damage.
is there a way to control where the gordian knot stops? it always shoots it like a mile past where im wanting it and its causing me to die as i have to move forward half the map before i can grapple to it
I was using this with triton vice while surrounded and using winterbite I hope someone can test it to see how much damage it can do tbh for me it felt good to use
Shhhh don’t tell anyone! Using prismatic, strand grapple and strand powered melee with Synthoceps - takes all bosses down in 3 strikes while transcendent 👌🏼
I'm just wondering, after seeing the shield crash artifact perk, does verity brow increase the damage the grapple melee does since it's technically a grenade?
If stylish executioner gets proc'd through ANY debuff with prismatic . Would jolting the boss theoretically achieve the same effect as the tether? Or do the surrounding enemies need to debuffed themselves by jolt, to proc invisibility?
I love how people will argue titans vs hunters, play every class Most people take the argument of balance as someone from a different class being upset, you can have one of each and with light level being shared across characters theres no reason to not play every class, with this logic, take a step back and realize that the same way titans were an issue melting bosses with their melee is the same issue we have with hunters, cheese is cheese no matter how you cut it, this has to be balanced, not nerfed but balanced just how they balanced the titan exotics and their specific interactions with the different melees
It's a timing issue, the sequence for getting stylish execution to proc from the 12 punch is weird for the grapple melee. Your essentially just having to feel it out manually since the ingame buffs can't keep up and the visuals don't accurately depict whats going on (the game thinking your still invisible)
This is just not working like it is for him. i don't understand. Not once have I hit for 1.6 million. I've done it probably 50 times. Never once. And if I do get a good hit, literally every ad dies from the shot on the boss or the melee so I can't hit again.
I thought 1-2 Punch was nerfed to only buff powered melees by 40%, is grapple melee not considered a powered melee, or was the nerf reverted and I missed it?
As Hunters are the Melee Class & have been for quite a decent amount of time now!! Could Titan get a new identity maybe? Instead of being the "Punching" Class & then getting beaten out by Hunters & Warlocks maybe they could be something else!?
As OP as this is the setup does require a good couple of things so I don’t see it being nerfed too hard by bungo. Like an entire super, aiming correctly at ur grapple point and timing ur invis proc is all alot. I can see maybe a nerf to stylish if used on grapple spam but idk
I have spirit of liar and spirit of the assassin. You mentioned that combination blow was causing an issue with melee damage? So is there a better way to set that up with liar's buff?
or simply make it so stylish doesn't proc off grapple melees. Theres actually alot of ways to make this not leagues above everything else without nuking other builds or messing with things that would cross over to other classes
Ok so the grapple and syntho melee is working as it should there’s no cheese at all in that but it’s funny how combination blow and syntho is completely bugged right now 😂😂
For some reason when i use grapple it doesnt let me grapple melee right away? It will just regular punch. I have to grapple for a second before it lets me grapple melee.
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Forgot to say towards the end: generally don't want to use calibans with this because you want the trash mobs to stay alive 😂 was trying inmost light but didn't seem to increase grapple melee damage. Really all you need is synthoceps! Thanks for watching
Inmost light on class item only increases Regen speed
Spirit of Inmost light only increases ability regen. Its a watered down version of Hoil, most of the spirits lack a part of the original exotic
@@woomyboy98 that's what I thought. I swear on warlock I saw higher numbers once, but I've barely had time to think since TFS came out lol. Will dive deeper into combos of Hoil in the future
Was there a reason you were intentionally missing a shotgun shot between punches in the first damage rotation? As a hunter main, I’m fairly new to the tips and tricks of grapple melee/one two punch combo.
@@BenAlfredo7 I explain in the video somewhere but it's just to get out of invis, making sure stylish procs again correctly. You don't have to do it but it seems more consistent
Now hunters will also complain when Synthocepts gets nerfed.
Nah we still got liars and celestial double nighthawk
@@salutations6370 with lucky pants hotswap for downtime 💀
Nah
Liars with caliban is just as good
@@salutations6370 if u think ur gonna have that nighthawk thing forever youre in for a rude awakening
@@AlfaKenyBudthey fixed the glitch with that, and you don’t really wanna take Liars Handshake or Nighthawk off or you won’t be getting extra damage/super on headshots
cant wait for the titan nerf next week
they are bad already
Currently staring at void titans in pvp lovingly rn, yall need one for that at least. Hunters do need to get ol yeller'd fs tho.
@@thearabianlord das the jioke
Dont worry, strand titan wasnt broken foor +8 months according too bungie while they solo'd entire raids.
@@thearabianlord Nice one Drax that one almost went over your head
"Hunters are out putting absurd melee damage so we are nerfing Titan Synthoceps again" - Bungo
I find it wild that Bungie isn't just removing/nerfing grapple melee's interaction with melee damage boosting effects.
@@trainershade1937 or just make it consume the grenade charge when you hit an enemy? Refund the grapple if you don't. That seems like an easy fix to me.
@@jhemp That would also make a lot sense. Based on their own statements, the entire point of the grapple points is to give us greater access to grapple as a movement option. So why are they letting us go against that purpose? At the very least make it so the melee hit consumes the 50% charge it's supposed to.
@@trainershade1937because that’s the whole identity of the grenade. It’s supposed to be a hybrid ability Bungie even said it back in lightfall.
just sunset us titans. no more headaches and recources
Bungie: “We have completely removed health gain from the Knockout Aspect and Banner of War has been disabled until it is reworked.”
Womp womp
@@JonathanGarcia-nr9yj womp Womp
Titans cry about everything 😢
@@Quavoliouseveryone in the community is aware of the state Titan is in. read the room lmao
@@Quavoliousclass supremacy in 2024 is INSANE. Play all 3 classes.
I love how they nerfed the sh out of every titan melee exotic not so long ago. And yet, today, the "same" exotics (spirits) on class items have barely been adjusted and multiply insanely with each other.
I mean, who could have seen that coming ... Right ?
Dude it was broken on Titan for 1 entire year. Chill out. Hunters always get "broken" stuff removed faster than Titan and Warlock.
@hoping_on_hope please tell when. Cause Hunter Stasis lasted for over 1 year. GG Hunter with helmet did more than any other super, next highest was Star Eaters. Titans had health regen and decent damage. Meanwhile Warlocks and Titans got absolutely shit on with nerfs. Well is useless and Titan, who is supposed to be the tank melee builder is ruined.
@@hoping_on_hopepls tell me you’re joking 😂😂
@@hoping_on_hopepretty sure combination blow and Liars has been extremely good since the release of Arc’s rework.
@@hoping_on_hopeREMOVED FASTER??? Whatever you’re on I need cuz wtf dude that’s an insane take
Patch note: "Titans lose arms, everything else is playing out fine"
Tis but a scratch!
Headbutt% speedruns
@@jetardeshna3449 titans still don't have anything to headbutt things surprisingly
only a finisher
@@giga-egg Dude imagine a 1-2 punch 'headbutt melee' meta 😆
Hunter is the new Titan
litteraly what I said after I watch the first boss get cooked
What the hell is a titan? Last time I checked they're are only 2 classes
@xXunknownXx0000, do you even play destiny?
Is? Hunter has overall never stopped being the true titan.
@@skylerharris3914 i meant more so now because they have access to synthos
Bungie: Alright guys, we've decided to give Titans another roaming melee super
Titans: "took my whole flow!"
But seriously though, it kinda rough staying as a titan main right now and the one thing we're good at, another class can do it plus the celestial goldie snipes. Bungie really needs to sit down and talk this out.
Yeah man I’m a Titan main always do story on Titan first. Banner of war is still good but it just feels like the amount of options you have on hunter in a variety of situations is just a no brainer for getting through most content.
Embrace stronghold, you're welcome
@@RequiemL34 Crownsplitter and thronecleaver for life, and wave frame ergo sum to deal with bs shields. Or perfect 5th on a caster frame and keep retriggering the passive to output dmg decently at range. Working on farming a caster frame rn. For the crownsplitter I have a bunch of different ones I collected long ago, I use to run whirlwind tireless, but this season i swapped back to flashcounter and counter attack. Get a source of weaken, combine with seasonal dmg amp with weaken targets, heavy attack and all of a sudden im a peregrine 1 smacking with 400k dmg with a chunk of buffs up. Otherwise with aggresive frames I went went tireless vorpal preferred.
You could go doulbe special, but im currently running the blast furnace with frenzy and kinetic tremors, it kinda fills that gap between the lack of a special weapon, and a good primary. The Strand rocket sidearm is also good with hatchling for easy clear. Could also go succession with recomb and reconstruction for some pocket dmg.
@@RequiemL34 strongholds + ergo sum is the only thing keeping me from immediately swapping to hunter rn
i just love the combo too much
BoW titans are still better bro it's fine.
bungie when hunters get a broken melee 😃bungiee when titans get a broken melee 😡
Titan had a broken melee for 15 months, chill
@UC3ZYtIsBYWsxDSegvpK3G2A shhh gotta push an agenda
Banner of War as broken for 15 months.
hunters eating after years of scraps
@@hoping_on_hopeYeah we are the "meele" class what do u expect from us, meanwhile hunters casually doing over 4m dps with a primary, having a lot of exotics like Assassin's cowl, gyrafalcon's, and other broken exotics every time and getting 0 nerfs, keep crying.
Thanks for the melee information with combination blow I didn't know that at all
Congrats on 300k!!!!!
Question: Why are you shooting your initial shotgun shot away from the boss then shooting him with a follow-up?
At first I thought it was to just get out of invisibility, but doesn’t the first shot accomplish that and why not just shoot the boss directly with the first shot?
kinda crazy the amount of cool and unique builds hunters and warlocks can get but a lot of titan builds revolve around melees (which is fair since bungie wants them to be the melee class which I hate) but the game is really not made for melees and bungie clearly doesn't like melee build but when a melee titan build gets too hot its a problem.
Titan has a bunch of good non-melee builds though? Who are you shadow boxing?!
@@trainershade1937 List at least 3 please. I need different builds. And not builds that cause your abilities to be on a 2 minute cooldown because I don't consider those "builds".
Bro you obviously only consider something a build if it can kill a dungeon boss in 10 seconds flat, which is just something broken as shit and probably unintended, that's certainly going to catch a nerf.
@@trainershade1937Sure tell me other two build different from precious scars or drengr lash for end game.
@@emiliotello3455 ...sigh... Alright, I'm upset. I actually DID post a few builds in response to the other person, but it looks like UA-cam has deleted the comment. I'll just summarize and try to get rid of any "problematic" keywords (I suspect it's our abilities that rhyme with "upgrade" that triggered it):
Void: Offensive Bulwark and Controlled Demolition.
Scatter or Vortex with Shield Throw.
Echo of Expulsion, Persistence, and Starvation, along with either Obscurity or Remnants (the latter for Vortex).
Super based on the scenario.
Arc: Touch of Thunder and Knockout.
Pulse with Thunderclap preferably.
Spark of Beacons, Ions, Shock, and Magnitude.
Thundercrash (of course).
Stasis: Tectonic Harvest and Howl of the Storm.
Glacier.
Whisper of Fissures, Shards, and Rime, along with either Bonds or Rending (your choice).
Armamentarium is the preferred exotic for most of the builds, though HoIL also works well. Arc actually does well enough without them, so you can run a different exotic if you want. If you're running Sentinel Shield on Void though, then Doomfang is phenomenal. I'd also say Hazardous Propulsion in general is a good non-melee option.
main titan here, as soon i saw titan prismatic and our aspects , which are kinda shit and limit our build capacity a ton, i swapped to warlock, did the campaign and warlock prismatic is actually really good, and they got healing grenade.
And warlocks probably need the healing nade the least, given devour being so easy to get
@@vergilchair9517 yeah, kept playing with warlock, and I have the verity and osmiomancy class item, and solar nade does not benefit at all 🥺
I still keep seeing people argue saying titans are not in a bad spot which is kinda funny to me. Titans are in a bad spot its just a fact BUT I do think next "episode"/season this will be fixed with a new aspect or exotic. The same thing happened when lightfall came out titans had very little class identity and then we got banner of war. Now titans are having a really bad identity crisis since hunters can do everything a titan can but better.
Yeah, from a warlock main. You don't need to be the best class in the game all the time. Literally, Titans were soloing raid bosses.
Titans have been neutered in pve because of pvp and they are still obnoxious in pvp.
Just goes to show some people shouldn't have their jobs.
@@ImmortalStone I dont disagree at all. Thats why I am not freaking out about it. Its fine that titans are in a weird spot for now.
@@ImmortalStone 100% agree. Titans will shine again one day, don’t worry.
Imo, titan's still have a better grapple melee with wormgods and titan's prismatic build is overall more consistent except for celestial still hunt, which is undoubtedly getting nerfed into the ground. Inmost light/syntho or star-eater is absolutely busted on titan because of the amount of abilities and titan's new super is just a better tether.
4:30 theres some points in the campain where if you pickup the objectives in transcendance you return to your normal grenade for the rest of it. i think in strikes to but i know in the campain
Next patch "There seems to be an issue where spirit of synthoceps is performing better than the actual exotic so we're going to nerf it to where it's unusable also given that the hunter grapple melee is doing a significant amount of damage we are also going to nerf that and also add a cool down in between grapple melee attack for hunters"
Hmm, I don't see how that screws over Titans so I can already tell you that's not how it'll go. Maybe disabling synthoceps entirely or removing multicative scaling for damage in general, but if it doesn't screw over titans it's probably not going to happen at all.
"we noticed that hunter melee is too op, so we are deleting titans from the game"
as a tiatan main i want bungie to give me a reason to play my class
Hunters are totally broken... We should nerf strand Titan again, that's clearly the issue
Nah, nerf bubble instead, it's so broken in PVE don't you know?
@@fareflight2029 PVE?? absolutely not. in pvp tho, no counter play W H A T S O E V E R *ignore gls, barricades, grenades, shotguns, melees, team play, ganging up on the titan within the bubble, well being better than bubble in a melee battle, pretty much any ult being able to kill a bubble/the titan within the bubble easily!!!*
@@yeetman7728 I bet you’re fun at parties lol
😂
@@jamesshreve8729 Yes James, i am fun at parties, when i'm not trying to get people to stop coping on how titan is genuine ass outside of strand and solar (NOT EVERYONE LIKES SOLAR/STRAND)
I think the best exotic class item for this combo is going to be Galinors with Syntho. Galinor refunds super energy on hits, and from what I've heard (haven't gotten one to test myself) it is more effective at returning shadowshot energy than Orpheus Rig.
Not really. Spirit of galanor only counts the initial hits. Enemies that walk into the tether after the initial shot do not provide super gains, so orpheus is still more consistent.
@@jshock2008 False. The damage spreading effect of tether provides energy refund through galanor. This requires less enemies to receive 50% of super when compared to orpheus.
@JuanLopez-cm7fx That's not correct either. You get 25% for tethering and another 25% for killing the enemies. Tethering alone will not get you 50%.
And from what I've seen from other comments, I'm not sure this will work every time. Just seems to be really inconsistent. Orpheus is a lot more consistent.
my problem is the ads all die the first shot I put into the boss. So I'm losing the 3x from Stylish
Jeez I totally forgot about lucky pants as well, hunters just being the main character
sounded like the diamond city radio guy from fallout 4 in that intro 😂
The only thing I don't think you explained is why you're dumping a round into the air every other time you shoot your shotgun.
He breaks invis because activating grapple melee takes you out of invis, which would prevent you from getting the 3x stylish damage buff. You have to make sure you activate grapple before going invis so you can get that damage. So combo is shotgun + grapple --> go invis --> grapple melee
If you have it, you can use Buried Bloodline to get weaken very easily (also devour for your grapple). I would run that with a kinetic one-two punch shotgun.
I guess it’s Hunter’s turn to be Titans. Who knew, the punching class isn’t the best at punching.
Hunters were supposed to be the "agility/speed" class, but have never been the fastest (at base); that honor went to Titans until Shatter/Wellskating came along. So really this is just the completion of a trade that started nearly a decade ago. 😌👌
This is not the first time hunters have had the best melee build
This has been a norm for a few years now
@@fastmovingvolcanomatterwhat trade? Behemoth had speed at the launc but it was heavily nerfed. Cryoclasm was nerfed again at this expansion, so what trade? There is no trade because Titans do not have speed or agility.
@@badforaday7610 no shit lol...arc hunters have been basically 1 shotting champs for years now (even just with assassins cowl)
Damn I shoulda farmed for that Navigator huh.
The stylish executioner aspect
Why is he shooting a shotgun shot off at nothing while showing the combo against the boss? That part confuses me, and I don't think he explained why.
he prolly wants to get his invis taken off bc you want to be invis DURING the grapple punch not before it
@@CocaCola51 Can't you just wait for too stylish debuff to run out and when you shoot your shotgun you'll go out of invis and trigger stylish again? Also hi CocaCola51 lol
@@DaggerSaint Hiii! Also yeah you could, but thats the only reason i could see why hes shooting the shotgun at the air lol, i dont think its needed
Might get my solo challenge done using this if it isn't disabled by the time I get home from work.
Nah you should be good man. It’ll take time for this to get nerfed
It's not on Titan so you're good for the first episode at least.
@@charliecarlisle5912 what is this victim complex? y'all have had 12P melee combos that delete bosses since before Beyond Light lmfao
@@ghostrick9824 not a victim complex just that's the only combo we could do 12P + Syntho + whatever punches hard. Now the "punch class" isn't even the best at doing that. Just annoying they made Titans melee focused and got mad when we punched too hard.
There's a reason that only 100 Titans cleared the day 1 raid out of 4000 guardians.
@@charliecarlisle5912 Punching literally has 0 reason for why few Titans cleared contest Salvation's Edge. It's literally because Still Hunt + Celestial is obscenely broken. That's the only reason lmao
“Holy Guacamole” 😱 i feel ember would say something similar 😅
Guess i have to find someone to do Dual Destiny with to get some class items and also get the Navigator....
I still have a UA-cam video of one shotting people in PvP with the old titan gloves, oh how titans suck now:/ made me switch to warlock
No lies told
I mean, you could do this as a BoW Titan, you have Sythos, you have a 12Punch shotgun, you just don't have access to Deadfall or that multiplier
That banner is a bigger deal then i think alot of people give it credit when running something like this. Most of a hunters healing or survival kits kinda screw this up, yea you can run withering blade like they suggest here with the facet that triggers health regen, but the problem you'll often run into is withering to too effective at content that matches your level (nukes 3 or more red bars) which you need for the tether later, and at higher level content doesn't do enough damage to nuke 1 thus leaving you stuck.
While this is undoubtly a solid setup, its alot harder to pull off consistently vs the older wormgod setups more moving parts that you simply can't control for
So not only have titans only received nerfs in final shape and a lackluster prismatic kit, but hunters just straight up got our only useful exotic and can use it to greater effect than we ever could? I bet that these same hunter mains will point out banner of war as a defense even though banner of war wasn't 4 tapping dungeon bosses at -5 under with no set up required like hunters are currently allowed to do.
y'all are so insanely delusional cause hunters have been asking for nerfs to stuff since D1of TFS like right now we're only Celestial Still Hunt bots and it's just insanely OP that it's boring. No room for anyone to use the new Hunter super or any of the fun gimmicky builds because of Celestial Still Hunt and now this. At least Titans and Warlocks are having fun with their wacky combos and fun gimmicks.
not to mention titans and warlocks have been on top of the PvE meta since season of the haunted, y'all can take at least one episode underperforming lol
Titans and Warlocks have been broken for YEARS worth of time. When Hunters are broken, it gets fixed or changed within weeks and sometimes even days.
Warlocks and Titans ate good FOR YEARS. I wish everyone would kindly be quiet and let Hunters enjoy a moment of awesomeness without every single Warlock and Titan main crying like a 5 year old.
@@hoping_on_hopefor real man. Finally someone said it. Not too long ago I was being kicked out of raids because I was playing hunter. Now we finally have some time to shine
@@hoping_on_hopenope. That’s a fabrication that is happening in your head. Hunters need to be nerfed to the ground exactly like Titans were. Maybe left with a single viable subclass for high level content.
i tried to do this combo in the same encounter and everytime i go to try i get insta killed by the boss they NEED to revert these changes they did
Love the video @Ehroar - good explanation and simple to follow! is this build still viable now or has anything been nerfed yet?
Time to do the campaign on my hunter i guess
Wasn't grapple not supposed to refound completely after a succesful melee even on a grapple point ? Maybe they only applied the nerf to strand subclass and not prismatic in pure bungie fashion.
the change was to the grapple point itself, not the grenade refund. Before TFS, grappling a Grapple point would refresh its dissapearance countdown fully, letting you theoretically keep a grapple point up infinitely if you just kept on grappling. Now it gets diminishing returns until it lasts very little between grapples. It really, really doesn't matter for those 15-20 second DPS phases
Tbh just 2 changes to fix this.
Stylish Execution melee bonus no longer applies damage bonus to charged melees (it’s not meant to) and One Two punch no longer increases grapple melee damage.
My hunter tattoo is quivering dude, just absolutely quivering.
is there a way to control where the gordian knot stops? it always shoots it like a mile past where im wanting it and its causing me to die as i have to move forward half the map before i can grapple to it
glad i got a galanor/syntho cloak then, deadfall plus galanor acts like Orpheus rigs with the new changes
I was using this with triton vice while surrounded and using winterbite I hope someone can test it to see how much damage it can do tbh for me it felt good to use
This is just giving me flashbacks to when Riven could be killed in like 3 punches by hunters.
I wish they made wormgods a class perk for titans exclusive. Hunters are the jack of all trades.
Even if you use comobination blow its still doing more damage then Banner titan
Shhhh don’t tell anyone! Using prismatic, strand grapple and strand powered melee with Synthoceps - takes all bosses down in 3 strikes while transcendent 👌🏼
I saw a titan solo this dungeon like this glad hunters can too. Now for warlocks.
i've been using this build without knowing it
There is a way to get grapple with transcendence, I forgot how but I did it once on prismatic titan by mistake
Titans only have suspend nade
@texting7856 I mean If I figured how I did the glitch on titan we might be able to do it on hunter
I'm just wondering, after seeing the shield crash artifact perk, does verity brow increase the damage the grapple melee does since it's technically a grenade?
When is the 300k celebration?
Why do you need to shoot the shotgun to remove invisibility? Won’t shooting the boss again and killing an ad just refresh it?
If stylish executioner gets proc'd through ANY debuff with prismatic . Would jolting the boss theoretically achieve the same effect as the tether?
Or do the surrounding enemies need to debuffed themselves by jolt, to proc invisibility?
No because shared damage is not there. Monsters may not die....
Are you able to do this without the navigator? Such as using armour mods that give grenade charge when using melee
Would it be better to use conditional finality and the fragment that reloads it instead of a OTP shotty?
I love how people will argue titans vs hunters, play every class
Most people take the argument of balance as someone from a different class being upset, you can have one of each and with light level being shared across characters theres no reason to not play every class, with this logic, take a step back and realize that the same way titans were an issue melting bosses with their melee is the same issue we have with hunters, cheese is cheese no matter how you cut it, this has to be balanced, not nerfed but balanced just how they balanced the titan exotics and their specific interactions with the different melees
I swear I’m doing the exact same thing but not punching for nearly as much
It's a timing issue, the sequence for getting stylish execution to proc from the 12 punch is weird for the grapple melee. Your essentially just having to feel it out manually since the ingame buffs can't keep up and the visuals don't accurately depict whats going on (the game thinking your still invisible)
This is just not working like it is for him. i don't understand. Not once have I hit for 1.6 million. I've done it probably 50 times. Never once. And if I do get a good hit, literally every ad dies from the shot on the boss or the melee so I can't hit again.
i can do one big punch, but ads are getting destroyed right after. what am i doing wrong?
Shame I can’t get the navigator to drop
I thought 1-2 Punch was nerfed to only buff powered melees by 40%, is grapple melee not considered a powered melee, or was the nerf reverted and I missed it?
Welcome back Strand titan
not understanding the grapple part, whenever I grapple and punch, I don't get my grapple back
Yeah. Willing to bet Bungie will remove the Stylish Executioner melee damage bonus from powered melees if this gets too widespread
Does the 3x damage from stylish only apply if you go invis from stylish? Or can you go invis from assassin's cowl and still get the damage buff
Definitely want Spirit of Galanor here.
the stylish executioner aspect
As Hunters are the Melee Class & have been for quite a decent amount of time now!! Could Titan get a new identity maybe? Instead of being the "Punching" Class & then getting beaten out by Hunters & Warlocks maybe they could be something else!?
As OP as this is the setup does require a good couple of things so I don’t see it being nerfed too hard by bungo. Like an entire super, aiming correctly at ur grapple point and timing ur invis proc is all alot. I can see maybe a nerf to stylish if used on grapple spam but idk
I have spirit of liar and spirit of the assassin. You mentioned that combination blow was causing an issue with melee damage? So is there a better way to set that up with liar's buff?
I think what he meant was that it has melee damage issues on grapple melee, but not normally.
could you get a similar damage increase if you use liars instead of synthos?
Maybe the GotD final boss will be bearable with this
You can’t melee that boss or tether any adds to it.
Ehroar your explanations are always top tier
As a hunter main who grinded this out for 2 days straight getting this roll. Yea this is absurdly stupid.
remember when you can one melee atheon with a titan hammer? god i miss old days
What happens if u use tractor cannon as the shotty
all they need to do is give it diminishing returns on synthos and other buffs like how liars handshake doesn't stack completely with one two punch.
or simply make it so stylish doesn't proc off grapple melees. Theres actually alot of ways to make this not leagues above everything else without nuking other builds or messing with things that would cross over to other classes
How is the neutral game of this build? Is it actually viable for solo dungeons outside of DPS phases?
Does this work with verity as well? I haven’t gotten synthos left and this avoids the need to be surrounded
Man I wish I had ghosts of the deep
i have 32 exotic class items on hunter. not a single one with synthoceps...
Now give Titans Celestial Golden Night “Fists” so we can have the Hunter experience
Why am I not doing enough damage to the boss
revert the nerf of titan banner of war, titan need a unique and good dps method like the other 2 classes
"I tried it, completely un-seriously... that was a joke" 🤣😂
You need to use navigator for this boss which sucks for us lol .
Can't figure out why I'm doing way less damage
Why not use Silkstrike and hit someone to go Invis then unleash on the boss?
Basing builds on the new randomly rolled exotic class item seems a bit lame
Now if only Navigato would drop….
Rip got the class item but no navigator 😢
What’s the best armor perk to pair with spirit of synthoceps for this combo?
Ok so the grapple and syntho melee is working as it should there’s no cheese at all in that but it’s funny how combination blow and syntho is completely bugged right now 😂😂
I gotta get people to run ghosts in the deep with me again so I can get that damn exotic.
For some reason when i use grapple it doesnt let me grapple melee right away? It will just regular punch. I have to grapple for a second before it lets me grapple melee.
Was following along but unfortunately, don't have Navigator :( darn
it sucks being a titan main these days. im playing a punch build on my hunter and its better than my titan :(