Fluent in 3 months??? (Farsi DESTROYED me)
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With just under 3 months to prepare to go to Tehrangeles, home of 700,000 Persian speakers, could I do it? Could anyone?
Routledge colloquial textbook (amazon affiliate link): amzn.to/3vlVpki
Edited with Gling AI: bit.ly/46bGeYv (but it edited out ALL the farsi!)
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A great example of how languages aren't simply ciphers of one another.
“Your eyes see beautifully” 😂
"learn (language) in (number) months" is a weirdly common marketing gimmick seen as anybody with language learning experience knows it isn't really gonna work out that way
I say this while my "Dutch in 3 months" book is within eyeshot
Ok but Dutch is like the only one where that seems doable lol
I got up to a pretty decent level of swedish in about 3 months (native english speaker) so i would expand to say all germanic langs minus like german and icelandic are feasible in 3 months
@@jacksonherrera8692 well that really depends on what you mean by fluent I guess, but atleast Dutch in particular would probably be doable in 3 months if you were persistent with it
@@llwyfen I would agree, def wouldn't say fluent but high b1-low b2 could be achievable if you are consistent (i did at least 30 mins-an hour a day with virtually no breaks).
I don't know why, but almost every foreigner I've seen who speaks Farsi has a Tajik/Dari-like accent.
I am so glad I'm not the only one who feels that way. So true
Your Farsi is really good and you did taarof really well!!!!!
Just a few nitpicking: it's "Zaban زَبان" as in language and not "laban" 1:09
& at the beginning of the video you said
Khahesh mikonam as a direct translation of please 1:37 but we usually don't use this phrase in this meaning but we use something more like: "boro baba!!"
All and all you really did great thank you for paying attention to our culture and language!!!!
That book story is beautiful. Maybe you could take them a gift and exchange details in case they ever lose their copy. If you keep visiting you might make a new friend and farsi partner. Awesome how language learning led to a connection so quickly!
We’ve exchanged details, and she gave us some contacts to follow up on at home. I’m actually looking forward to going back to California, which I never thought I’d say
Your Persian is already great! Just a few pronunciation notes. You do consistently pronounce “harf” with the wrong vowel though. It should be the fronted /æ~a/ vowel. To native ears, the vowel you produce sounds like the backed /ɑ~ɒ/. The stress and pitch rise should fall on the last syllable of “khodâ hâfez”: [xodɒ’fez]. It may also be my terrible speakers, but there may also be the lack of devoicing of final /r/-though there are accents that don’t do this consistently so that’s an extremely minor nitpick.
Also a lot of non-Muslim Persian speakers may use “dorud” or “dorud bar shomâ” as an alternative to “salâm”.
Thank you! A before r is a problem for me - I have to consistently cue myself with imagining a Chicago accent. I’ll absorb these and when I do a 6 month video hopefully have it all correct! Also, interesting about “dorud.” Im off to look up the etymology!
Look forward to your follow up. I’ve been catching up on your livestreams, and I don’t know if anyone already explained this, but the difference between “khub” and “khob” is that “khob” is primarily an interjection-similar to “bon” vs “ben/bah” in French
There were lots of Iranians in the town I went to university in here in England. Persian food quickly became my absolute favourite. What a lovely language video, such a breath of fresh air in this space!
Thank you so much! And yes, Persian cuisine is wonderful!
Phenomenal video. Brilliant to see a window to a jewish-iranian neighborhood. Ans that Sidur is gorgeous. Congrats!
Thank you!
just a comment to bump the algorithm, because i think that such content should be spread/promoted more widely...
I've done a couple of boot camps with Fluent in 3 Months. The name came about as a speculative title for a blog years ago, where Benny Lewis wrote about his language-learning progress. The blog grew into a business and the name followed it. They do not actually promise fluency in three months, just that you will be able to hold a 15-minute conversation, which is fairly attainable if you apply yourself to the task. It worked for me and it sounds like it worked in LJ's experiment. Benny should probably change the name of the business, though, to avoid misunderstanding.
Ordering something in a shop is nowhere near to 'fluent" by any stretch of the definition. ITALK conversations (that aren't really conversations but drills) ALSO. Can you sit and watch the news comfortably in the language? Can you watch a random video on UA-cam made by natives to natives, about ANYTHING, and understand most of it? A linguist can talk about linguistics in the target language? A psychologist can talk about psychology? Can you pick a up a girl form NOTHING, from getting to know her to taking her into bed and having the "bed experience" entirely in the target language? Going through some ROUTINES is easy, like talking to a clerk in a shop, specially when he or she knows you are a foreigner and will talk to you LIKE A FOREIGNER. 3 months aren't even CLOSE to be enough for that even in a "easy language" (like a Brazilian learning Italian) studying 8 hours a day straight. NEVER!
I use to say that REAL life conversations are like the opening scene in Tarantino's Reservoir Dogs. Everyone is talking about what the heck they want to. People are taking among themselves, tehy are talking ABOUT YOU in hopes you can't understand. People are rumbling about nonsense. THAT is real. And get through that is being fluent.
You WILL NOT be able to hold a 14minutes of REAL LIFE conversation with an educated adult. You'll be CRUSHED way before that.
@@JohnnyLynnLee who said ordering something in a shop shows fluency?
@@beirne al of the guys claiming "fluent in 2 months' ever.
the problem those people get along with it and will ALWAYS get along it's because they lie to people what "fluency" would actually entails. Once you complete a drill with a tutor and he is specifically trying to make you succeed and helping you along the way sure it feels like a lot. Once you get to a bar orders a beer and some guys with bad intentions come to you because a girlfriend of one of them said on their tables that you are hot all fly out of the window. They don't want youto succeed! They want to screw you! Not even that much is needed. you click on an aleatory video on youtube in your target language and you have no idea what they are talking abut then you can realize how far you are.
@@JohnnyLynnLee Fluent means flowingly. You're not talking about that, you're talking about competence or even mastery. Different words have different meanings ya know.
@@andrewdunbar828 I'm talking about to have a SIMPLE, MEANINGFUL, non scripted, conversation in any real life situation with ANY educated adult. As I'm here with you in English, my first second language. As I barely can do in Japanese. Can I do that in Vietnamese? No. Can I do that in Italian no matter how many grammatical mistakes and, mainly, spelling mistakes (for lack of reading) I make? Yeas. I can't even understand a native video in Mandarin yet.
Can I have this debate I'm involved here i Japanese? Sure. With a lot more effort on my part. But I can watch a video like this one in Japanese, understand it and comment what I have commented here in English in Japanese. I'm probably YEARS behind being able to do that in Vietnamese. I could claim myself "fluent' in Vietnamese being able to order a coffee with a cooperative partner? Yeas. But I don't fool myself. Don't fool yourself. You'll only make it HARDER and SLOWER for you. As earlier as you admit you have TONS of things to acquire, the faster you'll go through it.
I always found the "Fluent In 3 Months", which might not have been started by Benny Lewis, he certainly made it 'Big', to be an experiment of sorts. Benny would travel the world and give himself the 3 month language challenge and document his results. This is similar to Scott Young doing and successfully completing the MIT CS 4 year degree in 1 year from home and not actually at MIT. It was just something to give a shot and document the results.
Benny became 'Fluent' (a vague term, which he defined, as able to go out interact and live life with native speakers in a country where it was spoken) more times than not, and it became something he then marketed and taught to others. I followed the challenges because that was interesting and lively... the business it has become... well I am not interested in being marketed to so I stopped finding it interesting.
I like seeing people setting their minds to something and achieving it.
The line about in person Persian reminds me of the Purim story joke, where they ask the king if they want to make a call Persian to Persian. as always, super informative and entertaining, thank you
I'm waiting for the Hebrew Livestream! I'm excited to help you learn my beautiful language!
It’s coming! I’ll probably do a wrap up on Persian this week and start Hebrew next week in the same time slot (Sunday, 2pm Eastern)
Omg! You're really gonna help him out with that Hebrew language... amazing! As a Spanish speaker, i consider your language very beautiful because I have a Bible even though God's word is translated into Spanish even so I may see and read kinda beauty, awesome and terrifying on it so that's it...what a shame that I cannot learn such a beautiful language. I have no time
@@marcksuarez it's fine really, modern Hebrew and biblical Hebrew are different. Even as a native Hebrew speaker, understanding biblical Hebrew is hard. That's why we have many translations.
The story about the book was lovely. The book, too, absolutely gorgeous. I'm glad you snagged yourself a small treasure while in LA!
Thanks for sharing your language learning experiences! All the languages I speak fluently (Luxembourgish, German, Dutch, English, French) are closely related, but I'm still in the process of fully learning them.
Interestingly, we live in Charlottenburg, Berlin, and have both a big Jewish and and a big Persian community here. You should come and visit one day. And that food looks so yummy!
Comment for the algorithm. Keep doing eat you're doing. It's great!
Wow this was an amazing video and that siddur looks beautiful. Thank you for sharing your experience ❤❤
Thank you, as always, Taylor, for sharing your valuable experience and expertise! I always love seeing your videos and I really appreciate your candid perspective. I think it's really important, as an audience member, to recognize how respectful you are of our intelligence and of our time. This is clear in the way you organize your writing.
That's actually really inspiring. Farsi is not currently in my little language stack but the advice here is excellent, just really useful. We learn the languages for experiences like this. I hope you get a the opportunity to use Farsi again soon.
Great video, I love it.
Love your videos: down to earth, interesting information, and dry humor. (I'm learning Spanish and Russian)
Really nice video bud. Interesting that you mention the Colloquial series. I'm between that and living language ultimate (not the newer ones) for French
Really love your recent videos! I hope youll revisit the tense/aspect/mood subject someday soon!
Great video! As a native Persian speaker, I believe you’re doing amazingly well ;) really enjoyed it!
Cool work dude. I think we were at similar levels of competence that far into our Persian learning- and I did the same exact thing as you, Routledge Colloquial persian, but I also used Assimil le Persan and a little bit of the app Mondly and a Memrise first. But the Routledge one was amazing quality
Hi Jones, really like the content you're putting out. I've done the first ten or so episodes of chai and conversations several times now, but the episodes you've put out on your methodology and the book you recommend have pushed me to pick farsi up again in a more structural manner.
That’s great to hear! I’m going to do one last Farsi livestream (for now) this weekend, and I’ve got some new tips and tricks to make it even better - especially making audio flash cards.
Honestly - I might see if I can do the same thing with chai and conversation, now that you mention it
Jones, you should make a video concentrating all the best practices and methods of language acquisition baked by your linguistic knowledge, or, if one video isn't enough, an entire series, thanks
Great video! Middle east joke was hilarious haha.
I'm hoping I can have as much success with Modern Greek that you have had with Farsi. I'm going to Athens this summer so my studies have begun!
Wild new info. There are almost as many Farsi speakers in Los Angeles as all people in San Francisco! That’s crazy and I love it.
I sent this to a Persian friend here in SF. Interesting video!
I’ve been learning Persian for about 3 months and I’m shocked how fast I’m learning and understanding. But I also know Turkish and Punjabi which help a lot with vocabulary. I decided about a month ago to focus more of the Afghan dialect because I’ve definitely come across more Afghans than Iranians in my life. I mostly use LingQ and UA-cam (native speaker content) and recently got an italki tutor to practice what I’ve learned and learn more colloquial Afghan stuff. P.S At 3:45 about the third person, from what I have heard in conversation, it’s common in Dari to say how you said it.
Wow, a linguist after my own heart! I'm learning Farsi at the moment and hope to more onto Levantine Arabic afterwards haha دمتون گرم عزیزم
It’s more doable if the language is related to one you already know. Spanish students in Italy are expected to be able to write essays in Italian by the end of the first semester.
Also check out Olly Richards’ Italian three month challenge videos. He knows several other Romance languages but still he was to have a comfortable casual conversation at the end.
Thanks!
عالی بود. سپاسگزارم.
I really really wanted to learn Persian. I love the way it sounds and I also find it very interesting. I decided to enroll in an online school last year in January and it was a nightmare. It put me off completely, it traumatised me! However, after watching your video, I feel like I should start learning it again (^_^)
That was charming. Persians are a lovely people. I wish I could meet more...
Boooy your very good and funny 😂😂😂
REALLY helpful video, thanks! Seeing all those lovely books leads me to a tangential question: I have long considered nastaliq to the most beautiful script in the cosmos, but can't read a letter of it. I'd love to be able to read Urdu poetry in nataliq instead of devanagari or Roman, BUT my motor skills are declining to the point where I barely even write English unless I absolutely on pain of death have no other choice. Can you recommend a way to learn how to read nastaliq that doesn't involve having to engage both my brain and my hand(s)? They communicate about as well as Seoul and Pyongyang, sadly.
About 20 years ago I studied Hindi for a while but gave it up because it seemed increasingly unlikely that I was ever going to re-visit India, plus it was very difficult for me to get past the lower intermediate stage. As you know Hindi, and especially Urdu. have a fair amount of borrow words from Persian. Am I correct in assuming the word you pronounced "subzi" referred to vegetables.. I think I also heard "panch" or "punch"; is that the number 5? I think I heard a couple more cognates but maybe not.
@languagejones Will you run your linguistics course on Patreon? Will you announce when you start?
You are doing very well! For me it took like 3 years to get to my current level in Farsi and it is still noticeably inferior to my English..
I grew up in this community and the story with the siddur actually made me cry
I would like to recommend a wonderful German publication to learn Persian: Lehrbuch der persischen Sprache Volume 1 and 2 (Eva Orthmann, Ghasem Toulany). If you understand a reasonable amount of German, I opine, that this is the best 2-Volume book series to learn persian with.
@languagejones Salve D. Jones, sono uno studente di filosofia italiano che ha intenzione di fare uno scambio Erasmus in Germania tra un anno. Questo vuol dire che seguirò lezioni di filosofia in tedesco, studerò su testi tedeschi, darò esami in tedesco e vivrò in germania per alcuni mesi. Per poterlo fare, però devo aver prima raggiunto il livello B2 di tedesco (una volta arrivato lì si frequentano dei corsi intensivi per mettersi a pari con la lingua). Io ho appena iniziato a studiare tedesco, quindi volevo chiedere secondo lei come posso fare, visti gli obiettivi che ho, per raggiungere il livello B2 in un anno. Grazie dell'aiuto!
@languagejones How did adding 100 cards a day to Anki go? Did you end up near 1000 reviews a day after a few weeks? Did you keep up with the review schedule?
I’ve dropped it to 25 and 250 and that’s doable. Honestly, I’m not sure 100 was better
How did you navigate the balance of English in your classes with feedback on your speaking/building listening skills?
So how much longer for fluency? What about reading and typing?
Reading and typing I can do already. It’s actually easier the more of the language you know already. For this rate of study, I’d say 6 months to being impressively good at à conversational level, talking about all sorts of things, and a year to be what most would consider “fluent”. If I were to keep it up at this pace. I’ll probably make a follow up in 3 more months if I do, which I should be able to do entirely in Persian
i' learned Korean on my own i'm probably intermediate or between intermediate and a beginner but i feel all i do learn but i'm not sure if i actually memorized anything so i took a break and i feel unmotivated how to feel that hype one more time cuz i feel i'm stuck and i'm not achieving . Tips ?
Commenting for algorithm :)
Responding for the algorithm!
Any recommendations for a complete beginner to learn Farsi? As in, I don’t even know the script beginner. Thanks!
I'm Iranian and Persian is my mother tongue. I'm still learning my dear. Persian has no end to it. Trust me.
Since you asked, here's a comment - well, a question: I must have missed you were studying Levantine Arabic, what resources are you using? The lack of resources has come up somewhere else.
Not much to add to the converstion, just commenting to boost the algorithm :)
In all honesty, as a linguist and polyglot, I find it extremely difficult to predict a specific amount of time that could generally be considered "sufficient" for anyone to achieve whatever we call fluency. To begin with, fluency itself is a term that is fluid enough to pose a considerable challenge. Secondly, everyone has a number of filters and other factors that hinder the process, which is to say we are all unequal when it comes to language or any other type of acquisition. Thirdly, we also have varying goals when it comes to language acquisition, so I personally always treat each and every case individually. These would be just three of numerous other factors that play an important role in this conversation, but irrespective of all the above, fluency in three months is simply a joke. In my mind, I picture someone leaving their current environment and immersing themselves entirely in the target language and culture while also having enough self-discipline to focus on it without fail (a constant flow state?) with the minimum amount of filters involved. Only under such circumstances can I imagine that person making progress in leaps and bounds, but how many people can realistically afford to make such a drastic transition in their lives? Personally, I recommend patience and self-development as a positive side-effect of this process. We simply need self-discipline and time, but the problem is we are very ill-equipped with the established calendars and wishful thinking, neither of which is entirely conducive to our achieving our desired goals.
My favorite singer is from Iran originally. Her name is Azam Ali, and her band is called Niyaz, which i believe means yearning in Persian. She has a powerful moving voice that transcends time and culture. Her mother took her from Iran, i think before the revolution. it sounded like she didn't want her father to have control of her upbringing, that is kind of the rumor surrounding her.
She was my introduction to Persian as well…maybe about 20 years ago. But I think the first songs I heard from her were in Urdu. I love her music. She sings in several languages and her style is just wonderful ❤
as taleshian ( another iranian people), I can assume that Taaroof is situation when two human beings try to show their hostility to each other, while both are extremely stubborn even in their politiness😅
besyar khoob, daste to dard nakoni😊
Wait, you’re learning Levantine Arabic?? I’d be curious to see your approach to a language with few resources and the spoken language being the focus 😊
I love Persian and tried to learn it when I was 16, but I gave up because I'm from Israel and trying to find learning materials for Persian in Israel is like trying to find learning materials for Japanese in the US 1941-1945. On top of that, this was during the era before the Internet 😥😥
Which Anki deck did you use?
به عنوان یک ایرانی پست شما برایم خیلی دلگرم کننده بود.😇
اگر خواستید لهجه خاصی را هم از فارسی یاد بگیرید ، توصیه میکنم لهجه شهر شیراز (shiraz) را تست کنید. 😁
Solid Farsi pronunciation for an American.
راستی، لطفا محتوای بیشتر برای یادگیری زبان فارسی تهیه و منتشر کنید. بازم ممنون 😊
try adding a Persian transcript to this video Persian ppl would go crazy on watching this vid
Ah farsi, the language that i have been putting on the side for like 1 year and half,
uuuhhhh ooohhhh engagement?
1. It's actually called Parsi or Persian, not Farsi.
2. good job on the hard work.. you sound really good
"Fluent in Three Months" just started as a challenge to himself when Benny was a monolingual language enthusiast. He's a friendly guy, you should have a chat with him. It would be better than second guessing and assuming.
Well, I don't speak Farsi, but I'm pretty sure I heard "$5" in the middle of the iTalki sponsorship, but that seemed a bit small ....?
I have a very high kebob budget, so after expenses that sounds right 😂
Yeah, I don't speak Farsi either (a little French, Catalan, German, on top of my native northern English), but I actually heard "panj dolar" and I got a little bit excited! Like, wow, panj as in Panjab?
@@AlecBrady Well apparently pan-jab = five-water - nice!
I think you meant 70k farsi speakers are in LA, not 700k
I had a bad experience with iTalki a couple of years ago - my Catalan teacher fired me without warning for not being "serious", which I thought was unfair and insensitive. So I've been avoiding the whole thing since then, and feeling a bit low about it all.
But hearing your good experience has made me want to start up again.
It is possible to learn a language in 3 months. It is impossible to reach high fluency in 3 months.
I could be fluent in three months in...
Arpitan? Probably.
Romanian? Possibly, but I doubt it.
Farsi? No way!
"Exceptionally Far in 3 Months"
"A Surprising Amount with Fluency Visible Over the Horizon"
A couple excellent new methods I'm dying to try!
absolutely false.
Ordering something in a shop is nowhere near to 'fluent" by any stretch of the definition. ITALK conversations (that aren't really conversations but drills) ALSO. Can you sit and watch the news comfortably in the language? Can you watch a random video on UA-cam made by natives to natives, about ANYTHING, and understand most of it? A linguist can talk about linguistics in the target language? A psychologist can talk about psychology? Can you pick a up a girl form NOTHING, from getting to know her to taking her into bed and having the "bed experience" entirely in the target language? Going through some ROUTINES is easy, like talking to a clerk in a shop, specially when he or she knows you are a foreigner and will talk to you LIKE A FOREIGNER. 3 months aren't even CLOSE to be enough for that even in a "easy language" (like a Brazilian learning Italian) studying 8 hours a day straight. NEVER!
I use to say that REAL life conversations are like the opening scene in Tarantino's Reservoir Dogs. Everyone is talking about what the heck they want to. People are taking among themselves, tehy are talking ABOUT YOU in hopes you can't understand. People are rumbling about nonsense. THAT is real. And get through that is being fluent.
@JohnnyLynnLee Yowza. All valid points but um...I was joking along with those things he said toward the end 😬😛
@@spacevspitch4028 But the problem those people get along with it and will ALWAYS get along it's because they lie to people what "fluency" would actually entails. Once you complete a drill with a tutor and he is specifically trying to make you succeed and helping you along the way sure it feels like a lot. Once you get to a bar orders a beer and some guys with bad intentions come to you because a girlfriend of one of them said on their tables that you are hot all fly out of the window. Not even that much is needed. you click on an aleatory video on youtube in your target language and you have no idea what they are talking abut then you can realize how far you are.
Isle of Tenerife,
Spain,
Africa.
I probably would have loved and liked this, only his insistence in speaking with jargon words is irritatingly condescending.
We who call that language Persian, he clearly wants us feel obsolete.
Calling it "far-see" doesn't make us all think you speak an exotic and mysterious language any better, just that you enjoy diminishing your English to make us other English-speakers feel ignorant.
I wonder if when speaking Persian he insists on using the English word for "English", and so on for every language he happens to mention.
Why not just plain English, and stop trying to intimidate or exclude us with jargon?
'Just a thought.
Best wishes,
Patchy.
Bro to me honestly i think ur around 60% fluent, persian is hard to learn hence the dialects etc..
I can't even say 60% fluent in Persian! تعارف نکون
You could probably become fluent in Norwegian in 3 months with a similar effort. I'm not sure if that qualifies as learning a whole new language though.
You look like AI
Your FACE looks like AI 😂
I’m actually gonna make an AI channel soon
You picked “Colloquial Farsi,” because it’s transliterated throughout; but also you were able to read at least some of the book you takes about.
Did you study the alphabet separately? Or, just pick it up as you went along?
I'm still surprised that the target audience for Kosher Irani food is more than 5 people.
Is there a Farsi Jewish community there or something?
edit: you answered in the video 😂 I was impatient
Who cares if you get fluent in farsi in three months? Fluency is the least important skill, it isn't even basic - many just keep speeding up their bad pronunciation and lack of accuracy, to make believe they are fluent with a limited active vocabulary - and natives can't understand them, because too much depends on their guessing what is meant. So help language-lerners understand that the best approach is on broad front, slowly but surely, because one aspect strengthens the others. Many who have bad pronunciation can't read fluently. Many who have difficulties understanding spoken language, can't speak well themselves. Grammar and writing skills support understanding and proper choice of words and phrases, when speaking, and when reading and writing. Languages are like ecosystems, all parts are interdependent.
Free Palestine
From Islam
Ordering something in a shop is nowhere near to 'fluent" by any stretch of the definition. ITALK conversations (that aren't really conversations but drills) ALSO. Can you sit and watch the news comfortably in the language? Can you watch a random video on UA-cam made by natives to natives, about ANYTHING, and understand most of it? A linguist can talk about linguistics in the target language? A psychologist can talk about psychology? Can you pick a up a girl form NOTHING, from getting to know her to taking her into bed and having the "bed experience" entirely in the target language? Going through some ROUTINES is easy, like talking to a clerk in a shop, specially when he or she knows you are a foreigner and will talk to you LIKE A FOREIGNER. 3 months aren't even CLOSE to be enough for that even in a "easy language" (like a Brazilian learning Italian) studying 8 hours a day straight. NEVER!
I use to say that REAL life conversations are like the opening scene in Tarantino's Reservoir Dogs. Everyone is talking about what the heck they want to. People are taking among themselves, tehy are talking ABOUT YOU in hopes you can't understand. People are rumbling about nonsense. THAT is real. And get through that is being fluent.