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Parkour's battle against the Gymnastic's governing body FIG is no doubt the biggest drama in parkour. In today's video, we explore what happened.
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How Jimmy post this comment 1 day ago?
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@@lolnicht3805 “sell your soul” is 30 seconds advertising for a sponsor so he has money to eat this week it’s a mobile app. Just coz you don’t like it doesn’t mean he’s committed one of the 7 deadly sins. Personally I don’t like the game either but I know why Jimmy advertised for them, so he can make some money and there’s literally nothing wrong with that, this is his job let him do his job also you can skip that small section in the video rather then wasting time coming to the commenting to bitch about it
I'm proud to say that the Icelandic gymnastics federation honored our request and voted against parkour being made a gymnastic discipline
in Germany we have the support of our Gymnastics federation as well, they are helping us to try and influence FIG
Same in Poland :)
nice, i hope it afects other places
There is no decent parkour gymnasts in Iceland anyway
@@groupvucic24 What do you mean by "parkour gymnasts"?
*changes my about section from free runner to gymnast*
Bro, you actually did it
13 likes seems about legit
Oh maw gawd
Lol wasn't expecting it to be true
You lot should start putting balance beams and those pummel horse things on the streets to incorporate in your lines lol, take it to the extreme ridicule they made it. Satire can be a powerful tool
Well, personally I see parkour as Storror. Their lifestyle, their friendship, the laughter, battling your fears, having your buddies back. How can these be in a competition? For me, the culture means so much more than seeing our sport becoming like gymnastics which all they do is for medals and Olympics otherwise it's meaningless. I mean have you ever seen a documentary about gymnastics life? Do they have anything like Supertramp or roof culture Asia which makes you fall in love deeply with Parkour? Parkour is extremely different from gymnastics in every way. I hope STORROR stays true to the culture and keeps inspiring loads of other freerunners.
You nailed it, couldn’t have put it better myself
Oh what's worse, as a competition (ofc im not sure about this but it feels very likely), they will be rating some tricks as better and more technical than other. Sure, comparing someone doing a flip before a fall with someone just doing a fall u'll have a clear winner. But what about the different harder flips that all have their own style? And will the freerunners have to abort creativity to do only what gives most scores? The whole idea doesn't feel right at all.
The best i can imagine is promotion the technical and speed side of parkour, where the fastest win. Even then, can they take the whole name of parkour to show only one side of it whilst it's something so much bigger and more diversified than that?
@@gabrielmourao2854 there’s already a ton of parkour competition out there and most of them have difficulty as just one criteria on the judging. Pretty much all style competition also have a creativity criteria. It’s definitely not a perfect judging system and i’m sure there will be changes to it in the future but i think creativity will always be part of it
Wow. Beautiful to read, thank you.
This works two ways for me as a climber and a lover of extreme sports like parkour, but also snowboarding and BMX. On the one hand the aura at a parkour jam, a climbing gym or a skatepark have nothing competive about them. People cheer for anyone landing a move that's on the very edge of their abilities and are truly happy for them no matter the skill level. Yet somehow this sportsmanship prevails over competitiveness even in the olympics. Watch the slopestyle snowboarding final in the Sochi winter olympics. The Japanese kid lands back to back double cork 1440's and every athlete rushes in there to celebrate for the guy. Eventhough gold is on the line, this sportsmanship is much more visible in extreme sports that are primarily about overcoming your fears and limits. To me the beauty of the sport is not lost because of competition.
Meanwhile the insurance companies won't let me teach "parkour" at the gymnastics gym I work at, so we call it "ninja flow."
Hahahaha
Wait, are you for real bro?
@@roderickshawn8160 I'm sure he is. I briefly taught "Ninja Zone" courses before... getting the heck out of that.
Yeah, this is super common in the states. I taught at a gymnastics gym for 3 years and it was the same thing. All of the gyms in our area are on that bandwagon as well.
@@bluekeeper12 thats where i am working at the moment, and im not sure how it is run where you are, but i think my club in australia does a pretty good job of making it parkour/freerunning and not gymnastics.
Great research Jimmy! 😍
To add something:
Parkour was not included to Paris 2024 because FIG didn't want to exclude any of gymnastics disciplines from olympics and there was no room for additional one. Another IOC reason for not adding pk to Paris: parkour doesn't have strong International structures as a competitive discipline.
So, about the future of parkour: We should still work together to create strong community with national governing bodies working together. Parkour should be shaped by us, and under FIG Its bery unlikely to happen.
I personally hope FIG will give up parkour at some point. The reason can be for example: not enough money or some changes in board.
If FIG doesn't give up parkour at some point, traceurs will. I hope to see more boycotts and stuff in the future
Just a desire to monetize something without any follow through. Not being able to include it because they already have too many disciplines is the same thing Microsoft used to do with small software companies they felt were a threat, just buy them, and bury the software.
Over time there would be subtle encouragement to do this or that gymnastics discipline instead of the parkour that got you in the door.
That's my take on it anyway.
You, sir, have grown into a documentarian, a point of reference and above all an important voice in the community! Very well done video, as always...
gymnast: yo check out this trick
freerunner: sure try it on concrete
Dude have you seen how gymnasts land? It's so unnatural, they don't let themselves absorb any impact.
Terrible for your joints
@@sefflikejeff1917 i agree it’s not graceful at all. Even on those pads they don’t land correctly.
@@lethalassassin1754 they train for high scores in competitions, not for fun and definitely not for practicality
@@sefflikejeff1917 You are right, they would get serious injuries if they did landings on hard surfaces
@@sefflikejeff1917 That's because Gymnasts land on mats.
Parkour is so much more than just moving on things, its a whole culture, lifestyle, and way of seeing and interacting with the world. Someone whos not actually involved in that can't possibly understand Parkour and has no business dictating anything in it. Parkour belongs to the people who have it as a part of their lives.
You could say this about any hobby or activity, like skateboarding which is clearly a professional sport
As jimmy said, we can just hope that parkour remains represented and the community remains its own and doesnt get dissolved into gymnastics
With all these discussion of parkour going to be in the olympics or not, we lose the effects that would have these steps on the athletes. Nowadays athletes train parkour coz its fun but when it will be once in the olympic, i fear winning becomes the most important thing for many coaches and athletes. And with that we will experience what all the other organized sports already have: mental pressure, banned skills, doping... I think these problems come naturally when sports are organized and and its sad
There will always be people training & mantaining the original spirit
All sports are organized, that’s what makes them sports. Organization isn’t the problem. The Olympic games are the problem.
In fact, parkour’s lack of _better_ organization is the reason the Olympics and FIG are even involved. They want to be the governing body, because there is nothing like that for parkour.
i highly doubt that. although it was only the first year skating was in the olympics, none of the skaters really acted any different. maybe a little more nervous at the competition since it was a much bigger scale, but the skate environment was still there. almost all of them had airpods in 😭 i don't think the culture of parkour will really change. it'll just be another competition. like when toby competed in ultimate ninja warrior
@@defnotnath4nie129 I'm gonna say that's because skateboarding has already had large competitions and the like they already have ways to grade scores and such for parkour it's much more different the only i guess super major correct me if I'm wrong competition is redbull art of motion
@@defnotnath4nie129 also i agree about the culture people will still act as it is now the culture probably will remain the same or change very little
Know the story and still hoped for a happy ending 😅
I think you guys have the best shot of anyone at actually challenging their authority... looking forward to the Storror awards 2021!
When I was about twelve I started doing parkour. After about a year I also started doing gymnastics. To this day I still love both sports and my sister also does rithmical gymnastics but because of my insight on both parkour and gymnastics I can tell that they are really different sports. Parkour is not a branch of gymnastics. Sure they both include acrobatical movement but their style, discipline and culture is completely different. Although I like gymnastics and I like doing it, I still wouldn't entrust a gymnastics federation to govern parkour as a sport.
I wish the Gymnastics Federation didn't govern Gymnastics
Skateboarding doesn't want skateboarding in the Olympics. I don't know one person who's happy its there. A handful of top level vert skaters like Tony Hawk and Street league type skateboarders were pushing for it, while 90% of skateboarders were pushing back and pissed off.
And the god damn "President of Skateboarding" or whatever the fuck it's called is some old former professional roller skater. The Olympics are fucking toxic. We've already let Nike and Adidas and bullshit competitions like Street league take over skateboarding. Skateboarding is dead in the water and hardly represents what I grew up loving anymore.
sir, you're making me cry
Skateboarding is not dead
@@mcgnarley99 bro i skate and i disagree. 90% of skaters couldnt carless its even in the Olympics as it only really affects the top top pros. Skateboarding is bigger, gnarlier and progressing faster than it literally ever has before. Skateboarding aint dead, i just got back from the park and it was crowded af
@@xdanileex How old are you? I'm guessing we come from different generations. I'm 30 and around my age and up are where most of this stuff is coming from. People can call it gate keeping or whatever but you most likely grew up with skateboarding not being much different then it is now. I started skating in the 90's were it was completely different. I remember all the ads from consolidated trying stop Nike and Adidas and all these big companies from entering skateboarding. The majority of skateboarders are not hyped on the Olympics at least in my generation.
I always look forward to your videos they are always so interesting and knowledgeable! I commend your efforts to always providing such interesting information about various aspects of parkour! Thank you JimmyTheGiant
Well done another good one 😎👌🏿 I just want to mention that from David's point of view it is normal to be involved with Gymnastics as his Grand father and his father both did gymnastics in the Paris Firefighters and sent him to Gymnastics when he was a kid. I really believe he did what he thought would be best for the discipline.
As you describe, you are right about the politics. It is so corrupt! Parkour for an individual will always be freeeeeeee.
🎼 it's all about the money, money, money 🎵 😄💰
No his grandfather was circust not gymnastics
Begin Rant: Gymnastics is about scores and often opaque subjective criteria. Making parkour gymnastics means scores are based on centimeters and regulation "proper" moves. Skateboarding in swimming pools and boardwalk skate ramps was cool. Their sport "grew up", became incredibly commercial, and they went to the Olympics. So... parkour grows up, the old white men in IOC get more powerful, and parkour changes to meet THEIR CRITERIA. Geez. I have no doubt that FIG is finding ways to win over parkour -- it doesn't have to be bribes either. Get credentialed and we have all these superduper gyms and huge payouts! Woot-woot. THE REAL POISON lurks inside FIG and other opaque sporting bodies (including the IOC). Rich powerful #$%&! men get to decide what happens in the backrooms and no one, absolutely no one gets a say in the matter. That includes the big-name parkour athletes. AND this rich powerful elite gets away with all sorts of evil as demonstrated in the sexual abuse inside U.S. gymnastics. Professional cycling has the same type of rich powerful old men and their coverup and abuse were drugs. MY QUESTION is what's on either side of the math equation? Parkour loses XYZ while gaining something? Losing soul yet gaining exposure for "the good of the sport" and a few selectively groomed by FIG? End Rant. Sigh.
Here in the Philippines, parkour is actually under the obstacle sports commission, not gymnastics. And I think that's a good thing.
The difference between gymnastics and Parkour is we have to remember we train outside in our natural environment. I mean I know we have gyms and that and competitions. Gymnastics is in a gym.
Freerunning is taking gymnastics out in the outside world.
@@YourAverageNiche free running isn’t taking gymnastics outside it’s free movement that could be taken from any discipline.
Even if Gymnastics was done outside on concrete they would still be MASSIVELY different disciplines.
Right? They dont even have Outsidenastics to begin with! >:(
You need to collab and have a chat with Nile Wilson
Really good video. However, in my experience I do not feel a tension between gymnastics and parkour - and Suni Lee literally lives in my neighborhood! Every gymnast I’ve met has been nice and at my parkour gym we often get gymnasts who age out of most gymnastics schools, but wish to continue in a sport with transferable skills.
Hey man. Just wanted to say you sparked my interest in parkour up again. I decided to start training again and hit a standing full a little under 20 minutes ago something I’ve never even attempted. I just wanna say thank you for this spark! You legit have no idea. Any tips for a southern USA boy who has no friends to train with?
I grew up as a Gymnast and i never saw anybody looking down on Parkour at a Gymnast/Coach level.
It's another movement sport that has really unique and challenging movements.
Usually when i go to an Open Gym i see Parkour people, Karate people and Gymnasts.
If you can safely do your skill with the equipment nobody says anything.
Your local Gym might just suck.
The regulatory body in charge of Gymnastics are just the worst in any movement sport.
The entire governing body are Boomers and they enforce some pretty dumb rules.
That's why a lot of top level Gymnasts switch sport or try out for Cirque Du Soleil.
There are world class iconic surfers like Laird Hamilton and rock climbers like Alex Honnold who have zero interest in any form of formal competition including the Olympics. There will always be those who just love the sport for the joy, community, purity, and those who want the trophies, dollars, and fame. For good or bad the same will likely happen with Parkour / Freerunning in the future. Great video Jimmy!
Intresting you bring up climbing which was a total mess in the olympics. As expected by all in the community but ignored by the olympic committee... Because they didnt differ between Lead, Speed and Bouldering....
Also Honnold is not intrested in any of those because he is famous for free solos and multipitch speed records (has nothing to do with speed climbing).
Alex Honnold was excited about climbing being involved in the Olympics and was going to commentate before Covid shut things down.
The problem with having an ultimate competition like the Olympics is that what scores gold will filter down to all competitions. So skating becomes less about flow, creativity and felicity of style than it does oh I have to do this trick and that trick, or I've got to evolve this one trick, until skating is no longer accessible to most people as something they do for fun and freedom.
It's already bad enough with the "Can you do a kickflip?" When there are dozens of disciplines on a skateboard. The focus becomes what people see, not what people do.
Obviously at the tip of the iceberg as a high level pro, the perspective is different. You've put in blood, sweat and tears to be the best, you want your moment in the sun. And the bigger the competition, the better, that's your career. Me personally I just want to see people having fun exercising, and getting them some freedom to be what they want to be on a board, not locked in on "I can't do a kickflip" and then just not skating anymore because they feel they failed.
I'd give gold for the most creative line with a ton of style, over any specific tricks. Regimented rules, like in gymnastic disciplines, is the end of freedom.
@@Si74l0rd that sounds similar to what many think redbull rampage is turning into. Most viewers want the craziest lines and best flow but it's turning into more of another slopestyle contest to see who can throw in the most tricks. But it doesn't take away from the sport in the end, it's just part of it growing and not everyone will agree with that growth.
@@dylan-5287 Yeah, with regards to parkour I'm firmly in the camp of flow and using the space over how many gainers you can drop into a line. I just don't really find the flips add much.
Hence I prefer watching Storror, who I think embody the ethos of doing something interesting with their bodies in a new space, than I do parkour competitions, most of the time. It's always awesome to see a sport evolve, but it'll always be contentious!
That said, I do love watching Dom Tomato pushing the boundaries of what people think is possible ;D
"i got a phone call from FIG and they 'convinced' me to make a positive video about them... and then I went and bought a load of new sports gear, a computer and a holiday..."
Easy fix: Parkour folks swallow a bit of their pride, rename their sport to freerunnning or something else and create a governing body before the FIG can get their hands on it. Either that or just create a new governing body to compete with FIG. Darts did that with the PDC to counter the BDO for its lack of proffesionalism and lack of protecting the players interests. Worked brilliantly.
Seems feasible but some skilled people would be essential at first the French resistance would be strong.
Thanks for the shout out haha!
Hahaha
Thank you for putting more focus on the history
As a freeskier and snowboarder I'd encourage anyone involved in Parkour to fight organisations like FIG with everything you have.
Freeskiing began as a direct reaction to the oppressive nature of FIS and the desire of a lot of people to be more expressive and creative after taking inspiration from snowboarders. As the sport grew it took attention away from FIS approved disciplines like moguls and ariels which are basically the snowsports versions of gymnastics. This caused FIS to do exactly what FIG has done with parkour and just claim freeskiing as its own. Since then competitions have become less and less about style and creativity and more about who can do the biggest spin. This is so bad in the modern day that at the most recent Xgames the bloke who won big air was genuinely angry that none of his creative tricks scored well but the one huge spin he did out of frustration won him the gold. Additionally since the only reliable way to make money in the sport is by competing in FIS approved competitions the level of creativity in the sport has decreased significantly in the last 10 years because the top athletes are forced to train certain tricks in order to score well in competitions, rather than being able to be expressive and push the sport in different directions.
In summary, f#ck FIS.
How to stole a sport that is free and made by the community, and turn it into a boring thing full of rules by people unrelated to the parkour, i imagine an old grumpy guy rule as chairman parkour comittee disgusting in every way
1 for the algorithm Jimmy
The whole FIG situation has been grinding my gears for years. Nothing can really be done about it :(
Yes can be by
1 not participate in their 'olimpic games'
2 Parkour create own govern body to defy fig
Eyyy wondered when we'd be getting this one! Nice job broheem
Hello @Parkour Journeys , keep up the great work you legend!🙏
@@architmuralidhar5763 Eyy Cheers Brother, Appreciate that, will do!
@@LiamEllis thanks bro:')
This is a great video! Im personally in a really interesting position on this whole debate, as i work in the 'parkour' section of a gymnastics club. It is concerning that to be legally able to work in this position, the only accreditation i needed was in traditional male artistic gymnastics (MAG) and could have no knowledge of parkour, if it wasnt for the fact i have been training and consuming parkour content for years. While i am glad that parkour is being made accessible to kids through this program, i do think it is very important that it is distinguished from gymnastics, as i obviously teach a completely different move set to traditional gymnastics. all in all, learning parkour indoors on soft mats etc is really good for young kids as it is likely safer and is going to result in the sports growth long term, as long as the coaches have parkour specific accreditation and education themselves.
Great job. Thank you for the video. Many moments have become clearer.
Parkour (I'm just a spectator, mind you) is about observing your environment and engaging and moving in it. Architecture. This can't be made an olympic sport or competition of any kind. It's just a mismatch of ideas.
You forgot to mention one thing that sealed the deal for me. The first FIG competition destroyed Phosky career, the best parkour athlete on earth
Wait what happened with Phosky?
What happened to Phosky?
What happened to Phosky?
@hjalmiris @Kody Cheung @Lucas Grey smashed his knee on a double side bail afaik
he had an accident competing, something broke in his knee
Jimmy, these x sport deep dives are awesome.
Will you ever do a hacky sack/ foot bag episode?
25min video what a blast 🔥🔥 keep it up🤙
Personally I don't like any parkour competitions because I don't see the essence or spirit of the sport either being rewarded or displayed. It's not something you can stick a number on and why do we need to? In this sense, and seeing the money grabbers coming in fast, parkour is dead, long live the spirit of parkour.
@@olivernordin Human nature is not the nature of capital.
@@minerbroEDI holy shit I didn't know there were this many actual smart people in the community
In the Olympics, people don't aplaud when you land your first big running pre after countless attempts.
In the Olympics, you don't get the gold medal because you finally commited to a move that scared you for many years.
In the Olympics, the juges don't give a sh*t if you help beginners learning their first moves or not.
Olympics and parkour don't go well together...
Our parents put us in gymnastics to stop us from jumping out of trees, down flights of stairs and over huge bushes.
thank you for making this video, I was completely in the dark about this whole situation cus I stopped using social media and just relied on a few trusted fellows (you included) so if there are any major updates I would really appreciate a follow up, if you decided to make one :)
keep up with the bangers!!
I'm not hugely into parkour, and I'm not a huge sports fan altogether, so I really shouldn't have an opinion on this. But I do enjoy watching parkour videos online, and i do enjoy watching professional cycling. What attracts me in professional cycling is the enormous physical efforts going into an endurance sport like that, but it does help that an event like the Tour de France is an internationally recognized, professional competition, with major roads being closed for hours every day, all over France, for three weeks, so 200 cyclists can have a race. And of course this goes back to the roots of professional cycling. The first Tour de France was organised by a national sports newspaper, riders were sponsored either by countries or by big companies, and the various regional authorities and media quickly tagged along to report on everything related to Le Tour, as they saw a perfect opportunity to market to large groups of spectators.
Parkour is very different though, it's part of an urban culture that has an ambiguous relation with rules and regulations at best. Part of the attraction is "getting away" with a line in a prohibited location, doing things the general public find scary or antisocial, challenging the conformity of society in the most literal physical and spatial manner. Its current culture is mainly driven by individual athletes posting their own videos on social media, and the community decides what's cool and what isn't, simply by following or unfollowing these individual channels and athletes.
In many ways this is similar to how skateboarding culture grew from the 1970s through to the 2000s. At some point, yeah, sure, some regulation may make some sense to govern official international competitions and maybe to regulate basic safety precautions at training facilities. But that's hard to square with illegally climbing a multistory carpark, evading security, and doing a high impact jump into a privately owned and restricted backyard, and posting it with a "screw the law" hiphop or punk track in the background. With regulation, you lose a lot of that rogueness of the subculture: to be officially recognized, you first need to conform to the norms of regular sports and society in general. To my mind, as an outsider, it's an intrinsic contradiction for a sport that is built on breaking the rules to be organised under an official ruling body. That would be like having a thieves guild or a Federation International For Assassins (FIFA).
lets go another upload!
Wow epic video. A remarkable production I appreciate the amount of work that went into this..
Thank you, and well done. Not an easy topic, and certainly useful to share with the communities.
I've been involved with the Sports Federation in Norway, which gave me a distaste for the concept. It's basically an ever-growing organization of people who live off state funding and funding from the sports communities, while giving very little back, like a giant parasitic wurm. If the money were distributed to all the local sports clubs and communities instead I can guarantee that it would accomplish 20 times more.
I train at the gym where that free G was filmed and even the coach’s call it free running
Like they say, Any News is Good News. There have been a few mainstream media takes on Parkour that weren't accurate, Hardcore Parkour for an example, but it introduced people to parkour. And once you find it, hopefully your town has a parkour community established, that you can join. And that community straitens you out about what parkour truly is. I feel as long as the spirt of parkour is alive in local communities then people like FIG can't hurt parkour, but will only help the real parkour emerge.
Nah, an international group trying to co opt parkour could be legitimately harmful to the sport. Just look at skateboarding in the Olympics.
The only thing these groups can do is take a grassroots sport with lots of culture and turn it into a gimmick.
If we want to preserve the culture and spirit of parkour, we need to stay wary of beurocratic sports groups trying to turn our sport into a commodity.
@@sefflikejeff1917 what happen to skateboarding at the Olympics, thought it was a great success? Skateboarding hurts itself more than anyone else.
@@Ston3dNinja13 almost no one in the skate community wanted skateboarding in the Olympics. The announcers literally didn't know anything about the sport
@@sefflikejeff1917 and you think that's going to continue that way? Skateboarding sold out a long time ago and their community stands for destruction and violence. Tracuers get a lot of flack because they think we are a bunch of skaters. They are reaping what they sowed.
I just started parkour and I do not and I repeat DO NOT want to be known as a gymnast. Thanks for the story jimmy
This was a very well made and informative video. Thank you for making it
Great video Jimmy super entertaining
An impressive example of how money and capitalistic monopoly can terraform reality in society to the whim of those who have it
Based
Your most interesting video in my opinion, this FIG/PK clash was obscure when presented on social medias, makes way more sense now
All FIG can do is run and promote specific forms of 'parkour' competition (which in effect will become the Olympic version of the sport), it doesn't mean that they have a monopoly on parkour competition, and it certainly doesn't mean that people engaged in parkour necessarily have to give any credence or attention to FIG events.
Yes, it is no doubt annoying to have FIG rock up and nab the Olympic parkour, but welcome to the club on that one - any number of smaller sports have been through this with international governing bodies as part of the difficult transition from fringe activity to 'mainstream' sport.
Generally speaking, people who love the sports in question eventually reach a degree of acceptance with the 'official, approved' Olympic version of the sport. Most will have at least some interest in watching it whatever their misgivings about the way it is organised or how it represents the culture of the sport. Some competitors find their inclinations and talents lie that way and follow the pathways that potentially lead to the Olympics, others choose other ways to express themselves within the sport, either in other competitions or in non-competitive forms.
As you mentioned it in the video, Mountain biking is a perfect example of this. There is plenty of room in MTBing for all the different styles and forms of competition, and the vast majority of these are not governed in any way by the UCI or national governing bodies.
Yes, but the larger point is that now those different forms of competition have to fight for attention, funds (from fans), and even their own homegrown competetitors, with an organization that is vastly more wealthy and internationally recognized. Basically, FIG became an unwanted step-dad. You can try to do your own thing for the most part, but sometimes he just wants to take you fishing and you don't really have the power to say no or your mom will ground you.
Well said. I feel like in any sport people get to the "gate keeping" level where they begin to believe the sport itself belongs to them and they get final say over it. If FIG incorporates parkour into competition, it really doesn't take away from anyone else. I'm more into mtb and it's same shit with the uci like you said, but also people in general believing they get to define the sport as though it belongs to them. This is just how sports grow, lots of people don't like the growth but it is what it is. And like you said again, you don't need to watch or respect their versions if you don't want to.
dont let the shit that happened to snowboarding happen to your sport!
As a snowboarder and newly free runner I have to say I have to agree please don’t let that shit happen to parkour
too late.
I have followed gymnastics for 40 years. I don't think that FIG can be trusted with parkour.
Passion, Jimmy. Blessings.
Excellent work Mr Giant. You mentioned that sports like skateboarding and BMX have been through all this on their way to inclusion in the Olympics - it would be interesting to see how these street sports handled these issues.
This is ridiculously well cited, edited, and researched.
As an older athlete that started seeing yamazaki and b13, now seeing this, makes me sad, because we all know that the philosophy behind parkour its going to be lost for good, from now on, new athletes will come and they will not know about what parkour really meant for all of us. Make me really sad... althought... for the older ones, we know from where we came, and we will allways have our hearts in it, and not in a competition.... since i was a young kid doing monkeys and precisions I remember people coming by and asking the "group" who was the better... and we are had the same answer... "no one! Because this is not a competition and everyone has his special set of skills" hope some keep ot that way for a long time. From people travelling across the world just for Parkour Jams, and not for Parkour" Tournaments "
Thanks for the video Jimmy, i was not aware of any of this 🥺😕
If there is any Olympic sport related to parkour, it should be something similar to either AoM or WCT.
You’re a legend mate. I love your vids and your content!
Hi can you please do a follow up on what are the results of FIG taking parkour.. and the previous bodies where are they now and what are they doing?
11:31 yeah one time I got hit by a snowboarder at some pretty fast speeds, let’s just say nothing got injured
Hey Jimmy, I’d love to see you do a video on freestyle calisthenics
I see sports and even sports fans (traditional sports that is) as people who like rules and structure. They don't question their governing bodies as much because they like the rules and structure that has been set up even if there is some shady stuff going on. Snowboarding, skateboarding, and parkour thrive on the lack of limitation and rules. While competition is possible in the sport, it can not be run anywhere close to how gymnastics is. We have governing bodies, but they don't tell us how to build our gyms or what skills to teach. We need that freedom and flexibility.
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All national Parkour organizations need to unite under a new international parkour federation now! Then they need build an aggressive legal team, copyright and trademark everything, and then fight for their sport or loose it forever!
FIG is in it for the commercial rights, the broadcast money. With a grassroots segmented community Parkour/Freerunning doesn't get international broadcast of it's competitions. FIG sees the opportunity to bring competitions as they already have insurance arranged, and event planners on staff capable of putting together a series of competitions which they will promote the heck out of and use their established connections to get these events on international broadcast and earn commercial revenues for the advertising. That's the whole point, they see an opportunity to get paid and don't recognize the legitimacy of any grassroots organizing bodies
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Love your videos bro 👏🏽👏🏽
As a complete aside, your argument about corner shops. There is a large governing body that not only controls what can be sold and what times it sells it at, but one that also takes a 20% slice of the money transferred between the customer and shopkeeper. Its called the government.
great vid mate. Have you seen the new Boston Dynamics vid with Atlas doing parkour? watchu think?
Got something in the works for that 😉
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at the elite gymnastics competitions I competed at in the 90s, parkour didnt have a name anyone even knew of and no one knew of it as a sport. We called it messing around and having fun. We did it to have fun jumping between equipment etc, basically everyone I compeated with did it but we would get in trouble for it from our coaches as "this is not the time or place to be messing around".
I competed local, national and internationally so its not like i only seen one gym.
To me it always felt like the non medalists left gym and decided to call the thing we did for fun at training a new sport so they can start to get medals ;P
Iconic Sean wood still making waves
Really love those video. New fan since last week and i have already watch 20videos from the channel . Not even a parkour dude(love the discipline but i have the shape of a rugbymen).
i love this jimmy spoken like a preaching man
In regards to Sebastian being more active in the community than his other founding peers , he is top dog. In the city that I live in there is literally a gap named after him as he was the first ever person to do it. As of now multiple people have leveled up that gap in various ways. Yet, it will always carry Sebastian's legacy
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RESPECT...really well researched..🏃
I say you should start up a “Freerunner’s Independent Governance" to compete with the other F.I.G.
If they get litigious over initials, just switch to F.R.I.G.
Great vid thank jim
Parkour as gymnastics would be like Banksy in an art museum. Oh, wait...
10:33 its me doing the handstand. Mad research, i dont even have that pic.
great video!
UCI have a similar relationship to non-kosher bikes and cycling events. For instance, recumbents were banned by UCI in the 1930’s (or something), but recumbent biking and racing still goes on in other formats. I can see parkour doing the same. Not everyone who goes to the gym wants to compete in Olympic weightlifting. Parkour arose - according to the lore - from people hanging out together and trying stuff. And it will continue that way for most people. That said, I’m not sure having a brand of energy drink take over and run a travelling show is more democratic, transparent or conducive to a health evolution of the sport. For my son, parkour being under the gymnastics umbrella means he has an opportunity to get training. In principle, I am against competitive sports because the fundamental idea, that one person is the best and the rest are losers, is revolting.
I know you saw my last comment about your thoughts on team gym but I just want to ad that you should check out the face off events in denmark, it is basically the same people who compete in team gym, but less rules.
Well, in the end, it is funny to see what Parkour has become. Started as a “Most efficient and fast way to run through the concrete environment” ended up with “I am gonna jump and twist, tuck, spin every time, and doesn’t matter if I’ve lost all the speed and it is not efficient anymore”.
the story about how snowboarding got "implemented" into the olympics reinds me so much of this years implementation of the 3 climbing disciplines. It was just a mess
Parkour in the 2028 Olympics but one key item missing. All the pads and helmets I saw nobody wearing.
Great research Jimmy! Parkour is not even parkour. It was around long before Belle and should never have been coined as a name in the first place. Nobody governs the way I chose to move around town, in the forest or mountains. Not FIG, nor Parkour UK, nor David Belle, nor the internet Pk community. Stay free, keep moving
@JimmyTheGiant great video as usual. Hip hop, Spray can Graffiti, and Breakdancing all started about the same time in Brooklyn. Basquiat was a graffiti artist Tag name SAMO, Keith Harring as well, their art has gone on to sell for gobs of millions of dollars. Hip hop we all know where that went. What happened to breakdancing? Why didn’t it take off? At one time it was bigger than rap and graffiti combined! The same may happen to Parkour
7:50 bro you’re little touches of humor are hilarious
25:18 I like the positive additude. But tbh it can only go downhill from here.
Another gr8 video! ✌️
Can you make a video about you favorite a to b freerunners
why do we even need governing bodys at all
Well that sucks. Good video Jimmy.
Hey Jimmy.
This story is familiar to me and it seems to be a recurring thing.
the sport of Roller Derby had the same issue with (as was then) FIRS (Now 'World Skate'). They're still low key trying now. Roller Derby is having none of it.
Wanna break from FIG? This is how you do it.
Create your own international body (for Roller Derby, it's WFTDA and MRDA). Create your own rulesets for competitions. Create your own competitions. Develop the sport and these competitions, as well as the community and its people, to the point where they're bigger than FIGS influence. When your own body has put in all the work to its own original work and development, and you can show actual evidence of the same with broad community backing... that's when you start to take the fight back to FIG.
Man parkour tag would be soooo easy to setup during the Olympics. But yeah those boring gymnasts would completely ruin it.
Asde from World Chase Tag, I hardly see any proper Parkour competition outside. A Ninja Warrior rip-off should be made since most Parkour athletes are elligible for it.
Freerunning and Tricking are the sports that can be target by the FIG for inclusion in my opinion.
At some point, some athletes want to make a living out of the discipline and not just appreciate it as an underground phenomenon. It is a matter of time, a close one really, that Parkour and Freerunning will be held by the governing bodies mentioned and will become strictly ruled.
Again, the advantage of such sports is that it is made for urban-outside world and no specific space is needed for its practice unlike the likes of Football or Basketball for instance.
On one hand, the problem of being governed will be about the creation of such professional spaces to train athletes for professional competitions. On the other hand, if people want to have it as a sport and passion, they can always do by training like every other athlete is doing right now.
HOWEVER, if the governing body who appropriated the sport will INTERFERE with other activities such as WCT, now, sir, we got a problem. It would be like FIG interfering with any competitions of Tricking because it is Gymnastics-related and got no permission to use the Gymnastics as such.
In this fashion, we are looking a Sports like being an Intellectual Property that needs permission from the owner for use... imagine the dystopia.